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"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock."
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Social media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!"
] |
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It doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.
The general rule to become an "expert" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.
That being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.
Edit; spelling
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?"
] |
>
There is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author.
For some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling"
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There is no “10,000 hours” rule.
Yeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.
I pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in "poquito" portions. I still say; "yo tango mucho hombre" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience."
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I wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh."
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It doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now."
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>
I think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the "well it's autism because I have ADHD...".
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person."
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I agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.
There are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.
Peer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.
I think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.
The internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.
I think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\"."
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Another related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said."
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>
Well not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists."
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>
No, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess.
Therapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it."
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I may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues."
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how to reverse it?
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense)."
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I always believe experience and degree have the same mass.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?"
] |
>
I'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass."
] |
>
I perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.
It doesn’t automatically make you an expert.
I also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful.
I also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it."
] |
>
Fuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge."
] |
>
This is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous."
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You could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions."
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It makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.
|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place"
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Idk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else."
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I wanted to upvote this cuz I agree but then got confused because it’s unpopular opinion, lol.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.",
">\n\nIdk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say."
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I agree with this except when the mentally I’ll person has overcome their issues and worked out their problems. Even just helping guide people down their own journey is great. Talking as an expert, no, but being a source to heal others and help them in life, yes.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.",
">\n\nIdk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say.",
">\n\nI wanted to upvote this cuz I agree but then got confused because it’s unpopular opinion, lol."
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mostly agree with this. still I'd prefer to talk to other drunks about being a drunk.
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.",
">\n\nIdk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say.",
">\n\nI wanted to upvote this cuz I agree but then got confused because it’s unpopular opinion, lol.",
">\n\nI agree with this except when the mentally I’ll person has overcome their issues and worked out their problems. Even just helping guide people down their own journey is great. Talking as an expert, no, but being a source to heal others and help them in life, yes."
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[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.",
">\n\nIdk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say.",
">\n\nI wanted to upvote this cuz I agree but then got confused because it’s unpopular opinion, lol.",
">\n\nI agree with this except when the mentally I’ll person has overcome their issues and worked out their problems. Even just helping guide people down their own journey is great. Talking as an expert, no, but being a source to heal others and help them in life, yes.",
">\n\nmostly agree with this. still I'd prefer to talk to other drunks about being a drunk."
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|
[
"It makes you more knowledgeable than the layperson. But also, \"the blind leading the blind\" is a phrase for a reason",
">\n\nPeople need to be their own advocate for their health including mental health.",
">\n\nThey want to be in relation to their own revolution of experience as it relates to their diagnosis. \nBut yeah, sometimes some variations of mental illness will inhibit the awareness and ability to be rational and self-aware about that particular condition, etc.\nWhile the experience can be valid for those who have improved and have found mechanisms to make their condition better, and that experience can be possibly worth sharing, other times it can be like the blind leading the blind and sometimes even worse, making others with mental illness amplify the symptoms of their illness. Kinda like politics!",
">\n\nCome to the bipolar subreddits, there are so many posts from people who don’t even understand their own condition, let alone mental illnesses in general. Even worse when people try to diagnose themselves.",
">\n\nIt's awful. I see so much misinformation in bipolar spaces. The most common are 1) that any impulsive decision or self-destructive decision is automatically mania or hypomania i.e. I dyed my hair green, I'm sooooo manic 2) that \"cycling\" from happy to sad, or whatever combination, during the span of a single day is bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder do not cycle daily but that shit is everywhere.",
">\n\nBetween that and the new \"sElF-DiaGnoSeD\" bullshit, you have a recipe for disaster. Looking at you TikTok. \nOh wait, isn't that what zoomers overwhelmingly use? And what? They have rampant mental health issues? \nImagine my shock.",
">\n\nBan TikTok!",
">\n\nSocial media is the mental illness self diagnosis and treatment super center tho?",
">\n\nIt doesn't. But, gained experience over years and through therapy from professionals can give greater knowledge about the subject. Especially therapy, because therapy is about gaining knowledge and understanding of, and how to manage said illness.\nThe general rule to become an \"expert\" is the 10,000 hour rule. (three years) depending on the subject. So it is arguable if someone has lived with an illness for five or even ten years, they have gained an extensive amount of knowledge on said illness.\nThat being said it doesn't qualify them to give advice or treat others on that illness and to do so could be wreckless.\nEdit; spelling",
">\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. That’s a line from a Malcom Gladwell book to very poorly articulate a simple concept that it takes time to become proficient in something. Gladwell is a pseudo science author. \nFor some things, it takes far less time to become proficient, and for others, 10,000 hours is nothing. If you enjoy baking bread, you will probably be very good at baking bread well before you hit 10,000 hours. If you’re ever in the unfortunate position of being on death row, you will want an attorney with much more than 10,000 hours of experience.",
">\n\n\nThere is no “10,000 hours” rule. \n\nYeah -- but it's kind of nice to make people who NEVER LEARN feel a bit better about enduring a process.\nI pick up some new technology in a weekend, and I've had over a decade to learn Spanish. About all I can do is order second helpings of Lomo in \"poquito\" portions. I still say; \"yo tango mucho hombre\" but that's because it makes my abuelita laugh.",
">\n\nI wanted some Churros one time and I pronounced it Chorro. Luckily everyone laughed and my GF orders in Mexican places now.",
">\n\nIt doesn't make you an expert, but if you're under treatment, you learn about mental illness and a lot of the inside baseball. So, you could be more informed than the average person.",
">\n\nI think this is more common on Reddit than it is on real life. I've met people who suffer from various mental health issues and none of them had this vibe that most (if not all) Reddit people do - the \"well it's autism because I have ADHD...\".",
">\n\nI agree fully with the body of your argument, but not the title.\nThere are a lot of different areas of mental health, psychiatry, psychology, counselling, nursing etc etc, and experts in one are rarely experts in another. Psychiatrists often don't excel in therapy (or talking to humans at all), Psychologists in most places know little about drugs and aren't licensed to prescribe, etc.\nPeer Support is an important branch of treatment and is widely used in an official capacity precisely because lived experience does give a level of expertise in mental illness. Peer Support workers can help people to navigate the labyrinthine mental health system, share and help implement coping strategies from the context of someone they actually worked for, and offer basic, but more skilled approaches like Active Listening.\nI think the problems come in when people don't stay in their lane. Obviously you don't want someone unqualified giving medication advice or taking the place of a therapist e.g.\nThe internet makes things very blurry, on the one hand it can be a great resource for support, but on the other it's the wild west and it can be hard to tell if someone is giving sound advice or not, and this is greatly compounded by one or both parties potentially being quite unwell and that impacting on levels of insight and judgement.\nI think if people stick to a few rules online, both in giving support and seeking it, things can be improved a bit. No attempting to diagnose, no med recommendations, no suggestions for major life decisions, and always recommending professional evaluations and treatment. If you're seeking help online always take things with a pinch of salt, consider carefully if a particular coping strategy is right for you, and don't make med changes/end or replace treatment or override the advice of professionals based on what someone on the internet said.",
">\n\nAnother related problem is that just because you have mental illness doesn't mean you're a good candidate to help others with it professionally. Most of them would make TERRIBLE therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists.",
">\n\nWell not mental illness in general no, but in the process of learning how to manage a specific mental illness, you will certainly understand more than people who don't have it.",
">\n\nNo, having a mental illness alone doesn't automatically make you an expert. But being mentally ill often leads one down a path of studying human psychology to an obsessive degree in an attempt to understand yourself and how to cope with your symptoms. So you are likely to know more about mental illnesses than the average Joe, but yeah, not technically an expert I guess. \nTherapists are just people like everyone else with varying degrees of knowledge and experience with certain illnesses. I've met some counselors who blew me away with their understanding of what I had going on and I've met some who shouldn't have been allowed to counsel a gerbil let alone a mentally ill person. But if you've undergone years of therapy you will likely have learned some helpful coping mechanisms and information that could be helpful to others with similar issues.",
">\n\nI may be a somewhat unique case, but a group of ‘lifestyle change’ advocates on Facebook inadvertently put me on a path to reverse bipolar 1 far more effectively that 5 years of psychiatric treatment ever did. I agree though, in general stay away from online ‘experts’ (and avoid Facebook altogether as it’s a hot-bed of toxic nonsense).",
">\n\nhow to reverse it?",
">\n\nI always believe experience and degree have the same mass.",
">\n\nI'm only an expert on my own experiences, that's it.",
">\n\nI perhaps should have added more qualifiers for clarity, so I’ll address some commonly recurring comments.\nIt doesn’t automatically make you an expert. \nI also never meant to imply that it disqualifies you from being knowledgable, which I thought was apparent from me acknowledging it can be useful. \nI also don’t know why people are moving the goalposts and saying it makes you more knowledgable than a layperson. That is certainly true, but the layperson also isn’t an expert, so all this adds effectively is that one has more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge.",
">\n\nFuck yes. This is so true. Someone with mental illness is an expert on what it's like to EXPERIENCE one, but not on the illness itself. The fact so many people feel empowered to say they know better than trained professionals--even to diagnose themselves with various conditions they often don't even fully understand is ridiculous.",
">\n\nThis is a great post. Something that is probably overlooked but you hit the nail on the head. I teach psychology and have terrible depression and anxiety - but I often get ppl asking me stuff and im just like “bro im not a counselor” although I don’t mind listening and making some basic suggestions.",
">\n\nYou could also add that this mental illness is probably self diagnosed in the first place",
">\n\nIt makes you knowledgeable about living with that specific mental illness, especially your case, but nothing else.",
">\n\nIdk, I’ve been misdiagnosed enough times by actual mental health professionals that I’m skeptical about anything anyone has to say.",
">\n\nI wanted to upvote this cuz I agree but then got confused because it’s unpopular opinion, lol.",
">\n\nI agree with this except when the mentally I’ll person has overcome their issues and worked out their problems. Even just helping guide people down their own journey is great. Talking as an expert, no, but being a source to heal others and help them in life, yes.",
">\n\nmostly agree with this. still I'd prefer to talk to other drunks about being a drunk.",
">\n\nFacts"
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Perfecty tasteful
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Built my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet!
White top and bottom
Wood insert from Mod Musings x Mode
FR4 plate
Durock T1s lubed and filmed
Novelkeys Sand keycaps
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"Perfecty tasteful"
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What set is that
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps"
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NovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that"
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That’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…"
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cherry sand!!! omg i love!
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well"
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Really pretty
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!"
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>
Thank you!
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty"
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I think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!"
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>
Thank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend."
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Good job! Lucky fiancé.
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂"
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phew that white oak looking pristine here
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé."
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It’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here"
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👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents"
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Oooh
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2"
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Beautiful board, well done.
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh"
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Thanks!
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done."
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I need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!"
] |
>
Built my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet!
White top and bottom
Wood insert from Mod Musings x Mode
FR4 plate
Durock T1s lubed and filmed
Novelkeys Sand keycaps
|
[
"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom."
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How much did it cost to build this?
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps"
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So the Mode Sonnet as is was $375, GMK Sand was $50 from Novelkeys, L+F T1 switches were about $70-80 (stole from my one board) and then just the stabilizers around $15
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"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nHow much did it cost to build this?"
] |
>
He will like this one very much! Nice gift.
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[
"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nHow much did it cost to build this?",
">\n\nSo the Mode Sonnet as is was $375, GMK Sand was $50 from Novelkeys, L+F T1 switches were about $70-80 (stole from my one board) and then just the stabilizers around $15"
] |
>
Thanks! She loves it haha
|
[
"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nHow much did it cost to build this?",
">\n\nSo the Mode Sonnet as is was $375, GMK Sand was $50 from Novelkeys, L+F T1 switches were about $70-80 (stole from my one board) and then just the stabilizers around $15",
">\n\nHe will like this one very much! Nice gift."
] |
>
|
[
"Perfecty tasteful",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nWhat set is that",
">\n\nNovelKeys Sand. I have it and like it. I was able to get an almost perfect matching usb cable from mechcables using brick red heat shrink and I think tan paracord. Can’t find the receipt to confirm, but if OP wants to complete the look…",
">\n\nThat’s awesome I’ll look on mechcables! She wants a custom cable to match as well",
">\n\ncherry sand!!! omg i love!",
">\n\nReally pretty",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nI think this has got to be one of the most perfect boards ever built... just from the look of this one photo... You have done your fiancé well my friend.",
">\n\nThank you!! I put all the bells and whistles into it as well for the stabilizers, sounds better than my keyboards 😂",
">\n\nGood job! Lucky fiancé.",
">\n\nphew that white oak looking pristine here",
">\n\nIt’s awesome and now I’m jealous of her haha I have the Eighty and wish it had some wood accents",
">\n\n👍I have the same set on Mr. Suit R2",
">\n\nOooh",
">\n\nBeautiful board, well done.",
">\n\nThanks!",
">\n\nI need the sonnet in my life. I really want to try the copper plate/weight. But I also want to save up for the copper bottom.",
">\n\nBuilt my Fiancé a Mode Sonnet! \n\nWhite top and bottom\nWood insert from Mod Musings x Mode \nFR4 plate \nDurock T1s lubed and filmed \nNovelkeys Sand keycaps",
">\n\nHow much did it cost to build this?",
">\n\nSo the Mode Sonnet as is was $375, GMK Sand was $50 from Novelkeys, L+F T1 switches were about $70-80 (stole from my one board) and then just the stabilizers around $15",
">\n\nHe will like this one very much! Nice gift.",
">\n\nThanks! She loves it haha"
] |
You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.
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I like what people call "overcooked"
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[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP."
] |
>
Peasant
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\""
] |
>
lmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant"
] |
>
Perfect! That’s how I said it!
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice"
] |
>
Undercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!"
] |
>
The reAl Dente 🤓
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)"
] |
>
This is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓"
] |
>
Cause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!"
] |
>
Al dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe."
] |
>
softs are even better the next day
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste."
] |
>
“Softs” 😅
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day"
] |
>
Ferrari be putting on the wrong softs after this
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅"
] |
>
It depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)
Are you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.
But if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this"
] |
>
I can see your hands talking on the last sentence.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me."
] |
>
overcooked pasta is terrible.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence."
] |
>
well, I love it the most
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible."
] |
>
Pasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most"
] |
>
If only us italians started writing "yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth" instead of complaining about everything
Idk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations."
] |
>
You are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA.
Al dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter"
] |
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Italian here.
My parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.
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[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta"
] |
>
You are Canadian, not Italian
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata."
] |
>
Italian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian"
] |
>
So just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian."
] |
>
This is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy."
] |
>
What is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,"
] |
>
You're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian.
It's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?"
] |
>
Because I asked, and they responded.
And genetics doesn't change ethnicity.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics."
] |
>
Their genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: "the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent."
Genetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity."
] |
>
That is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.
I too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:
"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:"
In some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent.
Personally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity.
You act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian."
] |
>
Hard agree.
I hate undercooked pasta.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it."
] |
>
So basically you overcook your pasta.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta."
] |
>
yes, and it's awesome!
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta."
] |
>
Not exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!"
] |
>
That's exactly what pasta is
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me."
] |
>
lol speaking some truth here
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is"
] |
>
um that last part.....
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here"
] |
>
what? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part....."
] |
>
Nah but why am I al dente rn
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk"
] |
>
ya nasty
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn"
] |
>
Well this belongs here, congrats!
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty"
] |
>
Not sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.
The jury is divided.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!"
] |
>
You might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it.
You could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided."
] |
>
I'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta...
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha."
] |
>
Your opinion is bad. Have an upvote.
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.",
">\n\nI'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta..."
] |
>
thanks! I'll eat a spoon of my pasta in your name
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.",
">\n\nI'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta...",
">\n\nYour opinion is bad. Have an upvote."
] |
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A spoon to eat pasta? Now Im double-y triggered!
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.",
">\n\nI'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta...",
">\n\nYour opinion is bad. Have an upvote.",
">\n\nthanks! I'll eat a spoon of my pasta in your name"
] |
>
it's more grabbable with a table spoon.
oh, and.. I break spaghetti. but that's not what the post is about
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.",
">\n\nI'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta...",
">\n\nYour opinion is bad. Have an upvote.",
">\n\nthanks! I'll eat a spoon of my pasta in your name",
">\n\nA spoon to eat pasta? Now Im double-y triggered!"
] |
>
I break spaghetti too. That way I don't have to boil as much water. Also, my kids make less of a mess that way
|
[
"You undercooked the pasta so that it can finish cooking in its own heat after you drain the water...You aren't meant to eat undercooked pasta, OP.",
">\n\nI like what people call \"overcooked\"",
">\n\nPeasant",
">\n\nlmaoooo read it in Rowan from VLDL's voice",
">\n\nPerfect! That’s how I said it!",
">\n\nUndercooked and overcooked pasta are terrible. We need a balance :)",
">\n\nThe reAl Dente 🤓",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub, congrats!!",
">\n\nCause he's misguided. He only cooked half the recipe.",
">\n\nAl dente is great because the next day, it's still structurally ok to eat and not paste.",
">\n\nsofts are even better the next day",
">\n\n“Softs” 😅",
">\n\nFerrari be putting on the wrong softs after this",
">\n\nIt depends on what you're making. (Nuance?!)\nAre you making an Eastern European dish? Kugel? Stroganoff? Yeah, make that pasta a bit softer. Are you making a pasta bake? Lasagna? Baked Ziti? Yeah, the standard is softer because al dente is nearly impossible.\nBut if you're just doing aglio e olio, and you cremate that pasta, you're fucking dead to me.",
">\n\nI can see your hands talking on the last sentence.",
">\n\novercooked pasta is terrible.",
">\n\nwell, I love it the most",
">\n\nPasta cooked to aldente is meant to be finished intnhe sauce. People have misuderstood this italian cooking instruction for generations.",
">\n\nIf only us italians started writing \"yo we actually put it in the sauce after cooking it halfway through,we don't have steel teeth\" instead of complaining about everything\nIdk being informative is way different than being annoying,and talking about food it's easy to slip into the latter",
">\n\nYou are supposed to cook to al dente, reserve some of the cooking water, drain the rest, add sauce and reserved water, and CONTINUE COOKING UNTIL THE SAUCE STICKS TO THE PASTA. \nAl dente is just before perfectly cooked pasta so you can finish cooking it in the sauce so that all the pasta is covered and you don’t have bare pasta",
">\n\nItalian here.\nMy parents were born in Italy before coming to Canada later on. I grew up on pasta, and the only time it's ever al dente (and very light on the al dente side, if anyone can audibly crunch their pasta then they're doing al dente wrong) is when it was made with most types of red sauce. Typically pasta arrabiata.",
">\n\nYou are Canadian, not Italian",
">\n\nItalian Canadian. Sure I was born here, but my ethnic background is Italian.",
">\n\nSo just Canadian really, most Italian people eat pasta al dente not pasta scotta (not pasta e scotta). Al dente has never been able to crunch on the pasta, that is raw, al dente is when it is somewhat more hard than soft but absolutely not crunchy.",
">\n\nThis is one of the few truly unpopular opinions I have read in this sub,",
">\n\nWhat is? Saying that someone born in Canada, who doesn't speak Italian or follow Italian culture etc isn't Italian?",
">\n\nYou're making a lot of assumptions. How do you know whether or not they speak Italian or follow Italian culture? Even if they don't, both of their parents are Italian, which makes them first-generation Italian-Canadian. \nIt's not like they're claiming to be Italian when their great grandparents were the Italian immigrants. In terms of genetics, assuming both oarents are full blooded Italian, so is their child. Place of birth doesn't change the genetics.",
">\n\nBecause I asked, and they responded. \nAnd genetics doesn't change ethnicity.",
">\n\nTheir genetics actually match their ethnicity. Definition of ethnicity: \"the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.\" \nGenetics don't change nationality. This person is genetically and ethnically Italian.",
">\n\nThat is one definition of ethnicity, and in both my anthropology and sociology classes we did not define it as genetic.\nI too can pull different definitions that agree with me such as:\n\"a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like:\"\nIn some cases, genetics or race can play a part in ethnicity but it is not a necessary or sufficient requirement for ethnicity. Even in your own quote, it says or, meaning that descent can be considered but not necessarily. The person I replied to does not share a cultural background but does share descent. \nPersonally, since I have taken a few university classes on this, I lean towards a definition which does not include genetics as that is a very iffy and weak way of definition ethnicity, especially when it is so frequently used by far-right politicians in denying 2nd generation migrants their identity. \nYou act like there is one agreed upon definition for this, but there isn't. You are free to use that definition if you like but I personally disagree with it.",
">\n\nHard agree.\nI hate undercooked pasta.",
">\n\nSo basically you overcook your pasta.",
">\n\nyes, and it's awesome!",
">\n\nNot exactly. Feels like a wet noodle to me.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what pasta is",
">\n\nlol speaking some truth here",
">\n\num that last part.....",
">\n\nwhat? sauses with creamy texture, based on cream or butter or milk",
">\n\nNah but why am I al dente rn",
">\n\nya nasty",
">\n\nWell this belongs here, congrats!",
">\n\nNot sure how unpopular this actually is considering it's been posted several times. I also know people that love soggy, disgusting shit.\nThe jury is divided.",
">\n\nYou might not be cooking it properly then. Al dente is supposed to be cooked with a bit of a toothsome bite that will eventually cook with the residual heat once drained. Same way you pull meat out of the oven/pan when it's about 5 degrees below where you want it. \nYou could be massively undercooking your pasta, or you could just really be the kind of monster who enjoys overcooked pasta. We may never know haha.",
">\n\nI'm afraid I'm that monster that enjoys overcooked pasta...",
">\n\nYour opinion is bad. Have an upvote.",
">\n\nthanks! I'll eat a spoon of my pasta in your name",
">\n\nA spoon to eat pasta? Now Im double-y triggered!",
">\n\nit's more grabbable with a table spoon.\noh, and.. I break spaghetti. but that's not what the post is about"
] |
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