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Men and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?"
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But transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just "identifying" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place."
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Transitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports"
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Or one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example."
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Why can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women.
There was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.
If there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me.
As an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident."
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Maybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned."
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As a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother."
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Because women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot"
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Because women sports are just a copy of men sports.
Softball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice."
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Also, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that "I might fuck a dude."
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling"
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Also no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\""
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My perspective on this one (with the limited knowledge that I have) is that for the most part, most women sports are just counterparts of men's sports. Men's sports like basketball, is globally recognized to be a great sport especially the NBA, so people tend to put the effort of buying tickets and being fans of the sport. That plays a big role in popularizing its women version counterpart, for instance: the WNBA. It's not that that people do not care about the WNBA, it's just that people came to like and love men's NBA more as it came first and went really popular. Getting the last part involve in the argument might make it a little controversial.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\"",
">\n\nAlso no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years."
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Men are men. Women are women. Trans men are women and trans women are men.
I like women sports when it comes to mma, tennis and running. Just wait for the uproar when these trans women start to enter mma and beat the shit out of these women. Then you’ll start to see how sick these people are in the head. They’re letting these ideologies get out of hand and erasing the existence of women in the process.
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\"",
">\n\nAlso no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years.",
">\n\nMy perspective on this one (with the limited knowledge that I have) is that for the most part, most women sports are just counterparts of men's sports. Men's sports like basketball, is globally recognized to be a great sport especially the NBA, so people tend to put the effort of buying tickets and being fans of the sport. That plays a big role in popularizing its women version counterpart, for instance: the WNBA. It's not that that people do not care about the WNBA, it's just that people came to like and love men's NBA more as it came first and went really popular. Getting the last part involve in the argument might make it a little controversial."
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\"",
">\n\nAlso no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years.",
">\n\nMy perspective on this one (with the limited knowledge that I have) is that for the most part, most women sports are just counterparts of men's sports. Men's sports like basketball, is globally recognized to be a great sport especially the NBA, so people tend to put the effort of buying tickets and being fans of the sport. That plays a big role in popularizing its women version counterpart, for instance: the WNBA. It's not that that people do not care about the WNBA, it's just that people came to like and love men's NBA more as it came first and went really popular. Getting the last part involve in the argument might make it a little controversial.",
">\n\nMen are men. Women are women. Trans men are women and trans women are men. \nI like women sports when it comes to mma, tennis and running. Just wait for the uproar when these trans women start to enter mma and beat the shit out of these women. Then you’ll start to see how sick these people are in the head. They’re letting these ideologies get out of hand and erasing the existence of women in the process."
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\"",
">\n\nAlso no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years.",
">\n\nMy perspective on this one (with the limited knowledge that I have) is that for the most part, most women sports are just counterparts of men's sports. Men's sports like basketball, is globally recognized to be a great sport especially the NBA, so people tend to put the effort of buying tickets and being fans of the sport. That plays a big role in popularizing its women version counterpart, for instance: the WNBA. It's not that that people do not care about the WNBA, it's just that people came to like and love men's NBA more as it came first and went really popular. Getting the last part involve in the argument might make it a little controversial.",
">\n\nMen are men. Women are women. Trans men are women and trans women are men. \nI like women sports when it comes to mma, tennis and running. Just wait for the uproar when these trans women start to enter mma and beat the shit out of these women. Then you’ll start to see how sick these people are in the head. They’re letting these ideologies get out of hand and erasing the existence of women in the process.",
">\n\nAre you stupid?"
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">\n\nPerhaps in your local region, sure.\nThere are many countries that love women's sports of different types, and the fact that some do not is entirely down to then. My favourite example from my home nation, is the Norwegian women's handball team. Go shopping while they are playing in something important, and it's a ghost town. In entire malls, the only people will be the few who do not care and the ones who have to. Others will be flocked around screens.",
">\n\nthey’re clearly talking about the US where womens sports are mostly mocked yet conservatives still want to erase trans people from existence",
">\n\nIf women sports aren't exclusively for women then there is no point in dividing sports up between men and women. Men are naturally stronger on average then women that includes men who live as women. You don't get to go from 4 hundred and something to undisputed #1 by declaring yourself a women. I don't know why you hate women so much but they deserve a shot too.",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nDead and buried",
">\n\nMaybe do a little research into actual effects of HRT (specifically estrogen/estradiol) on muscle size and density. It would also help if you at least provided a solution instead of “trans people unfair advantage!!”.",
">\n\nCan't argue his point so you attack him?",
">\n\nwhere's the attack? asking someone to do research is attacking them?!",
">\n\nas a female weightlifter: makes total sense that no one was loud about women's sports before they changed the game. i was happy to stay in my lane, picking heavy things up and putting them down repeatedly 🤷♀️ \nit's kinda funny that people keep saying 'no one cared about women's sports before', it's another example of men speaking over us and deciding what we think lol",
">\n\nWhat’s your squat PB?",
">\n\n175/115/210/90 squat/bench/dead/shoulder press\npretty decent for a 115 lb 5'1 girl! but obviously those stats are don't really stack up for a guy of the same size who has been at it this long haha\nedit: also idk why you got downvoted for this, everyone who lifts wants to talk about their lifts",
">\n\nWow, these are really impressive numbers with your frame.\nCongratulations!!!",
">\n\nthank you so much!! it used to be higher but i've been dealing with some weird health issues, honestly lifting has been a HUGE help for still feeling normal and a great motivator to save up enough to travel for healthcare, so i can keep getting stronger!",
">\n\nA locked in fitness routine really can pull you through some challenging times. I'm really glad it is serving you so well.\nDon't forget to do your core work! 😉",
">\n\nThat was a great read thank you for sharing",
">\n\nThis is likely due to the balanced level of competition that was disrupted by an OP player.\nNot to over simplify this much more complex topic, but it happens all the time in E-sports. Characters in a game are not complained about until they disrupt the balanced nature.",
">\n\nExcept that isn't what happened: there hasn't even been a recent change in the number of trans people in women's sports, just an increase in weirdos adopting the Nazi position on trans people.",
">\n\nYou comment this as if you live in some reality where Trans athletes aren't sweeping gold and breaking records in women's sports.",
">\n\ndamn show me where?",
">\n\n“many [20] have won or are doing very well” but haven’t won any olympics because you’re required to be on hormones for a specific amount of time. \nlol gtfoh with that shit. wait til you hear about women born with vaginas and testicles where their ovaries should be. or vaginas and ovaries but still produce testosterone. biological sex is literally not a binary.",
">\n\nBiological sex IS binary the conditions you're talking about are abnormalities. There are people with 1 or 0 legs yet we still insist that humans are bipedal.",
">\n\nuncommon or not, they are naturally occurring often enough for people to want to live their lives the way they see fit. and you want to deny them their lived experience because why?",
">\n\nBecause it interferes with people's rightful places. No one is saying they can't play sports but they certainly shouldn't able to do it at the cost of real women.",
">\n\n“at the cost of” please show me where trans women edged out cis women in any meaningful way",
">\n\nI don't think people in those situations care about women's competitive sports per se, they're just pointing out that they believe it's an unfair advantage.\nI'm totally on board with anyone who wants to become whatever gender they feel most comfortable with. The problem becomes that there are physical differences between people who are born male and female, so one put head-to-head, those who were born male have an inherent physical advantage.\nCheck any event that relies on speed and strength in track and field and you'll see that all of the men's records exceed those of women's.\nThis is why they have men and women sports separate. If they were perfectly equal in terms of physical ability, there would be no need. The best players would be in the best league regardless of gender.\nPeople will try to argue that there are women out there who are faster and stronger than lots of other men, which is true. But the fastest 20 men in the world, will be faster than the fastest 20 women in the world. Same goes for strength. So you take someone who has the DNA of a male, and put them against competitors with female DNA (and whatever hormones come along with it), it becomes an unfair advantage.\nYou could argue that anyone who is a great athlete is likely a genetic freak. That their DNA was somehow different than everyone else's that gave them an unfair advantage. Michael Phelps is a great example. His body just happened to be built in such a way that he's essentially the perfect swimming machine.\nSo when it comes down to it, the question really becomes where do we draw the line. A lot of people feel like drawing based on the gender you were born is a natural way to do it, since most people would agree that the average male and the average female difference in speed, size, and strength.",
">\n\nThen why aren't all the top women's records obliterated by transwomen athletes?",
">\n\nMostly because of the strict rules put in place for trans women to compete at that level in the first place. There are a ton of compliance hoops in the way to make it to the level of international record holders.\nBut also because to have a top record \"obliterated\" by even a cis woman requires a lot of combination of factors: having a whole host of other genetic advantages outside the sex chromosomes, having the training and funding to develop that genetic advantage, having the right combination of timing and lack of injury, peaking at the right point in your career and at the right events. Put all those factors together, and you are already down to around a 1 in 10 million odds.\nNow, throw in a less than 1:20 chance of being trans gendered, and in less than 10% of those people having treatment that even approaches the level to compete internationally. Now you are looking at 1 in 2B odds. Which, altogether, puts you at around two transwomen on the planet who might possibly hold an international women's sports record. Which should make it pretty shocking that around 20 international sports titles are held by transwomen, a whole order of magnitude higher.\nThe real issues happen at much lower levels of competition than international records holders, where more people have that combination of factors to compete.",
">\n\n\n20 international sports titles are held by transwomen\n\nWhich ones?",
">\n\nIt is grossly unfair to the girls, that is why. Everyone who has ever played a sport or who has a daughter recognizes this. \nI actually think the fact that is so obviously unfair makes it so frustrating for everyone. Denying that it is unfair is like insisting that that the world is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. It is hard to even argue against this because you need some shared reality as a starting point and if you truly believe the world is flat or you truly believe boys don't have a biological advantage in sports over girls you are almost by definition ignoring much of the world around you.",
">\n\nits more that its frustrating to both sides because everyone wants a simple answer to a complex question.\ndo we just ban trans people from all sport ever? Only allow them to compete with cis men who will beat them basically every time? give trans people their own category that will flop in a year because of the small demographic and the fact the greater population don't care about trans people IN sport, they just want them OUT of womens sport?\nThere are trans women (even some of the highly controversial ones) who have lost fair and square to cis women so its actively true that trans women are able to compete on a fair (as far as \"fair\" goes in sport) level, but then there's the question of the fact that every sport puts different aspects of our bodies to the test, so do we mandate each individual sport? how to find what the \"fair\" position for competition is for each etc.\nWe cant just act like every instance of a trans person in sport is a recreation of the south park episode on trans althletes where its just knockoff Randy Savage saying hes a woman.",
">\n\nNo one is owed an audience when they play a sport. Your concern that the sport will \"flop\" if it's a trans league is completely irrelevant. If there are enough people to make up a league then who cares if there's millions of fans? Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport? If it's about getting to compete, then fans and money should not be part of this conversation. \nSo despite what you think, the answer is really as simple as having trans leagues. Hey, maybe one day they'd be popular, but you can't force people to watch trans sports any more than you can force people to watch women's sports.",
">\n\n> Are they owed wealth because they're good at a sport?\nnowhere did I imply this, but in order to be able to compete at every level there's a requirement for funding, even within school competition to a degree. if this were about pick up game of basketball in the schoolyard between friends this conversation wouldn't be happening anywhere.\nIts the same reason a lot of \"separate but equal\" arguments fall flat. where do the resources and support come from, especially when its a targeted minority that is constantly under fire even if you disregard sport?",
">\n\nI think you’re confusing caring about watching womens sports w feeling like they should have their fair shot at competition (ie not against biological men)",
">\n\nYeah, because before then, women weren’t training their whole lives in a sport to have the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. It’s about fucking competitive fairness. Your post is quite ridiculous.",
">\n\nthere's monofin swimming. they're practically competitive mermaids",
">\n\nI mean I think people did care, I also don't think the majority of people will care more less now?",
">\n\nJust as no one goes to the doctor to diagnose their perfectly functioning digestive system until it starts rumbling.",
">\n\nYeah because a biological man being selfish enough to not realise he has a genetic edge over a woman goes against the fairness and dignity that sports offer. Beating someone by 3 circuits of the track is an utter waste of time",
">\n\nDo men not beat other men by 3 circuits?",
">\n\nThey do",
">\n\nFucking hell what’s the point",
">\n\nWell, the point is to run fast in a circle.\nMost people can see where the utter waste of time comes into play long before gender is considered.",
">\n\nwhen women were just competing against other women there was no reason for people who are generally not interested in sports to care but most people care about fairness, and because men have a significant biological advantage over women, this unfairness becomes very obvious in athletic sports. The biological differences between men and women are more than hormones, even after hormonal treatment men retain a vast advantage over women.",
">\n\nSorting by controversial gave me cancer. Truthfully, trans women have been allowed in women's sports including the olympics for decades and haven't been dominating at all. Their performances have always been fairly mediocre overall.",
">\n\nThey are just normal women after the transition after all. Excluding them for being trans as being \"unfair\" would be the same as excloding POCs becausr they are boult a tiny bit different. I actually never heared anyobe say that blacks should be banned from running because they tend to be faster. Why do people that don't know anything about the sports or about being transgender are always the loudest?",
">\n\nWell, it's pretty unfair when a grown biological male who's been a \"woman\" for all of two years joins a sports team and starts breaking records. Left-wingers don't want to hear that because they've been taught to be inclusive at all costs - even if it kills them - but it's true. They can either try and figure that out or they can plug their ears and go \"la la la la la la\". Choice is theirs.",
">\n\nWhat example are you referring to?",
">\n\nAndraya Yearwood and Terry Miller, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Tifanny Abreu, and CeCé Telfer just to name a few.",
">\n\nAs a non US citizen are the organisations these people play in left-wing? Or are they in left-wing states? Who made the decision?\nBecause as a lefty I don't understand how this is allowed?",
">\n\nMany of them play for schools and colleges, who, I believe, set their own standards. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the issue; I just know that I've seen multiple trans athletes smash long standing women's records and it's usually reported as a positive in the media. The general rule, I think, is that one has to be on hormones for a certain number of years before they can compete, but that absolutely does not level the playing field; they still have an inherent biological advantage over cis women.",
">\n\nI lean pretty right-wing (though I don't consider myself a Republican or a conservative) but I have no problem with trans people. If they want to play sports, they shouldn't have some jackboot bullshit preventing them. However, it's blatantly obvious that, in general, putting them on a woman's team is often not the right answer. It's like letting one or two men compete while pumped full of steroids. We don't allow that...because it gives that competitor an unfair advantage over everyone else. We allow it in this case because the American left literally puts inclusivity above all else, even basic facts.",
">\n\nSo are you saying womens competetive sports are boring or why do one seem to care?",
">\n\nYou're not wrong but you stepped into a huge minefield with that one",
">\n\nThis is kind of a dumb post, people don’t care about woman’s sports more now than they did, people care about fairness in competition. It’s perfectly valid to say you don’t think genetic females should compete against genetic males, even if you don’t personally watch the sport. I don’t care about nascar at all, but if they suddenly started allowing some racers to use rocket powered jet-cars to race against standard cars, I’d speak up and say it’s not fair too lol",
">\n\nGenetic women have been excloded from female sports for having a naturally! high testosterone level because it would be \"unfair\" to let them compete against other women.\nTrans women are not superior, if they were, then they'd always win, wouldn't they?",
">\n\nDo you mean genetic woman on testosterone supplements? Because that’s pretty agreed that you can’t do that in sports. It’s absolutely unfair for a person born female to chemically change their bodies and still compete against natural females. It goes both ways, both are unfair, how is there a debate?",
">\n\nWow this is an ignorant thought to post. Cis women cared about their sports. I personally love HS girls basketball and college volleyball and Women’s pro occer.",
">\n\nWomen’s beach volleyball and women’s tennis excluded, women’s sports are boring as shit.",
">\n\nThis just isn’t true at all and if you think so you live in a bubble that probably doesn’t care about sports at all.",
">\n\nEveryone is up in arms about the trans women that win. No one discusses the trans women that lose or are unsuccessful (which are undoubtedly more).",
">\n\nLol I doubt it , also the most notable ones are usually people who transitioned while also being male athletes, not being good at all only to come to the female level and completely dominate. In all honesty this will probably make women’s sports more entertaining, however it will mainly consist of trans women while biological women get left behind.",
">\n\nThere hasn't actually been an increase of trans kids playing sports, just an increase in conservatives soiling themselves over it.",
">\n\nMaybe cause kids can’t transition until they’re 18 or 21 or whatever age you’re an adult in your country",
">\n\nIt's like the entire argument is just an excuse to complain about a specific group of people while packaging in misinformation",
">\n\nI'm a guy and I've always loved women's sports. I was a big fan of Pat Summitt's Lady Vols teams. I enjoy the hell out of some women's soccer.",
">\n\nBecause they hate trans people more than they give a shit about women's sports",
">\n\nYou can say that for pretty much anything.\nNobody cared about black lives until a black man died from a knee placed on his neck.\nNobody cared about those students until their school got shot up and a few died.\nWhat else?",
">\n\nMen and women's bodies are structured and operate differently, and thus don't lend themselves to sports quite the same. That's the entire reason we have sex-segregated sports divisions in the first place.",
">\n\nBut transgender people should be allowed after transition since they are physically not their birth gender anymore because the ratio of fat to muscle etc is controlled by hornones and the transition requires taking hormones. I believe this is the rule for allowing transgender people in sport. Just \"identifying\" as a woman isn't enoigh to compete in womens sports",
">\n\nTransitioning procures can't change everything. The skeleton, for example.",
">\n\nOr one of their players gets jailed by the Russians creating an international incident.",
">\n\nWhy can’t we all just stay in our own lanes? Trans people should compete with trans, men should compete with men and women should compete against women. \nThere was a girl on my football team in highschool and there is no god damn way I’d ever hit her the same way I hit the starting varsity players. It’s equivalent to hitting a guy that is a late bloomer. I was 6’4 290 in high school. Ive met maybe 5 girls that are that size and when they are, they are not as athletic as their male counterpart. There was 1 girl I knew on the women’s rugby team in high school that was the same size as me with somewhat equivalent strength. She looked like a giant compared ti the rest of her team.\nIf there are really that many trans people that play sports, we can just create a new league that includes everyone. Non-binary leagues doesn’t sound like a terrible idea to me. \nAs an athlete, I would be pissed if I was a girl and I saw all the accomplishments my gender has made being erased by people that have transitioned.",
">\n\nMaybe because in physical sports it's unfair to put the opposite sexes against eachother.",
">\n\nAs a woman, I don't agree with this only because men are muscle built way better than us, upper chest and arms. Do a chin up contest and you'll understand very quickly why men no matter how they identify shouldn't compete in female sports. Imca bi female before uou all get your thongs in a knot",
">\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports. Try something like makeup removal Olympics or something, and for sure, other women will notice.",
">\n\n\nBecause women sports are just a copy of men sports.\n\nSoftball, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and greco-roman wrestling",
">\n\nAlso, nobody bitches about F2M transitions because the argument against the trans community is a transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal one based around the idea that \"I might fuck a dude.\"",
">\n\nAlso no one care that Caster Semenya could not compete for for many of her best years.",
">\n\nMy perspective on this one (with the limited knowledge that I have) is that for the most part, most women sports are just counterparts of men's sports. Men's sports like basketball, is globally recognized to be a great sport especially the NBA, so people tend to put the effort of buying tickets and being fans of the sport. That plays a big role in popularizing its women version counterpart, for instance: the WNBA. It's not that that people do not care about the WNBA, it's just that people came to like and love men's NBA more as it came first and went really popular. Getting the last part involve in the argument might make it a little controversial.",
">\n\nMen are men. Women are women. Trans men are women and trans women are men. \nI like women sports when it comes to mma, tennis and running. Just wait for the uproar when these trans women start to enter mma and beat the shit out of these women. Then you’ll start to see how sick these people are in the head. They’re letting these ideologies get out of hand and erasing the existence of women in the process.",
">\n\nAre you stupid?",
">\n\nHuh?"
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">\n\nWhy is that?"
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Saudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)
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">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter"
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">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)"
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell."
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they might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body."
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Why is that?
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently."
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Cause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?"
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">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter"
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A match made in hell.
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)"
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"Corrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell.",
">\n\nCorrupt Anti-Women Government, Meet Corrupt Anti-Women Sports Body.",
">\n\nthey might as well go ahead and move the (men's)world cup to winter permanently.",
">\n\nWhy is that?",
">\n\nCause you can't play football in the middle east during summer, that's why the WC last year was held during winter",
">\n\nSaudi arabia is also the head of the un women's rights council, because.... reason.... (explanation was, so they can learn, Ya know, like letting a rapist become a rape victim trauma therapist, totally cool!)",
">\n\nA match made in hell."
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Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud.
I'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.
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He's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked."
] |
>
His bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance"
] |
>
Oh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all "woke trash" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!"
] |
>
Ken Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it."
] |
>
Haha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail."
] |
>
Face ethics lawsuit?
Hell, they can't even get him to face process server.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!"
] |
>
Next week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server."
] |
>
Don’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit"
] |
>
And make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly."
] |
>
Paxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too."
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>
the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority
Kinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees."
] |
>
He is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution."
] |
>
Paxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans)."
] |
>
State GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?"
] |
>
Increasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor."
] |
>
I can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup."
] |
>
Trump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring"
] |
>
Jason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google."
] |
>
rod blagojevich
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time."
] |
>
I mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich"
] |
>
Is he in charge of his own prosecution?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?"
] |
>
Lawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?"
] |
>
In a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.
He was indicted in 2015.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers."
] |
>
Foreigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015."
] |
>
It’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?"
] |
>
As a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense."
] |
>
He also said he feared for his life lol.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed."
] |
>
Paxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...
still waiting for him to face any consequences for that.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol."
] |
>
Still nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that."
] |
>
He should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago
What he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂"
] |
>
Not a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence"
] |
>
We tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.
It's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.
Reducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm."
] |
>
i can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?
/s
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something."
] |
>
A depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.
Without Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it.
And not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s"
] |
>
So, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone."
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A law license is not a requirement apparently.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?"
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This came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.
Any prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.
He just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently."
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Hope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs."
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Do you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources."
] |
>
What about the criminal probes opened against him?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?"
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More of this please.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?"
] |
>
How about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please."
] |
>
Imagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?"
] |
>
another toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power."
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That corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing."
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Paxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his "performance of his official duties" and that seeking to discipline him "is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion."
The state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules "apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position."
There is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies."
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Every article about him should begin "Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about..."
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law."
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"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\""
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Another member of the, "Law and Order Party," who believes they are above the law.
Fuck the GQP.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly"
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He will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP."
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Then do it.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial."
] |
>
It’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.
|
[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it."
] |
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I would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing."
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Well shit.
He's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen)."
] |
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I’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is"
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His defense was I'm above the law?????
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy."
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He won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????"
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I wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here."
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Dude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from."
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How have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit."
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He reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man."
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Still waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off."
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All the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago"
] |
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Why do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).
While nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors."
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in our lifetime?
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"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition."
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Next up: Paxton declares the Bar association an illegal union and Texas creates their own licensing for lawyers modeled after the due diligence they put on concealed carry weapons.
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"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.",
">\n\nin our lifetime?"
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Jesus H. Christ, let’s see some consequences for something in this country, for once. It’s like the very ideas of justice and the rule of law have been on vacation since 2016.
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"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.",
">\n\nin our lifetime?",
">\n\nNext up: Paxton declares the Bar association an illegal union and Texas creates their own licensing for lawyers modeled after the due diligence they put on concealed carry weapons."
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Where have I heard THAT before?
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.",
">\n\nin our lifetime?",
">\n\nNext up: Paxton declares the Bar association an illegal union and Texas creates their own licensing for lawyers modeled after the due diligence they put on concealed carry weapons.",
">\n\nJesus H. Christ, let’s see some consequences for something in this country, for once. It’s like the very ideas of justice and the rule of law have been on vacation since 2016."
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What's the big rush?
/s
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.",
">\n\nin our lifetime?",
">\n\nNext up: Paxton declares the Bar association an illegal union and Texas creates their own licensing for lawyers modeled after the due diligence they put on concealed carry weapons.",
">\n\nJesus H. Christ, let’s see some consequences for something in this country, for once. It’s like the very ideas of justice and the rule of law have been on vacation since 2016.",
">\n\nWhere have I heard THAT before?"
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He’s so fucking crooked and not even trying to hide it. Even Texas could do better.
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[
"Would be nice to see Paxton finally have to face those felony charges in criminal court - it's been about 8 years since he was charged with securities fraud. \nI'm curious what his bail conditions are. For most people, living on bail conditions sucks ass and it doesn't take much to make a mistake and get bail revoked.",
">\n\nHe's a rich, white Republicon, so his bail is probably personal recognizance",
">\n\nHis bail probably only allows him to stream Netflix and Amazon, but not Disney. Oh, the Humanity!",
">\n\nOh don't worry. He'll still go online and call it all \"woke trash\" for clickbait without ever even having watched it.",
">\n\nKen Paxton gargles more cum than the people he’s trying to put in jail.",
">\n\nHaha! Love it! Words cannot describe how awful him and his ilk are!",
">\n\nFace ethics lawsuit?\nHell, they can't even get him to face process server.",
">\n\nNext week: higher up judge says ken Paxon is a good boy and doesn't have to fave ethics lawsuit",
">\n\nDon’t forget the lollipop! The judge will also give him a big ‘ol lolly.",
">\n\nAnd make this Judge Casey Blair to pay a fine and face whatever punishment they can think up too.",
">\n\nPaxton claimed that ethics rules do not apply to him and that the judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority, even in the act of attempting to overturn election results in other states. Well, Judge Blair disagrees.",
">\n\n\nthe judiciary can't infringe on his executive authority\n\nKinda the whole point of the branch, but I'm not familiar with the kazoo-tissue they call the Texas Constitution.",
">\n\nHe is as corrupt as they get. Don’t worry! He’s got cronies in high places keeping him safe. Texas republicans are some of the worst human beings in our country (right next to Florida republicans).",
">\n\nPaxton was charged with felony securities fraud in 2015. Why has he not been to trial yet?",
">\n\nState GOP is preventing it. Special Prosecutor is needed and the GOP is refusing to pay for/ridiculously low balling a Special Prosecutor.",
">\n\nIncreasingly these criminals are getting elected. Then they use their newfound political position to commit crimes. Then they say they can't be sued because of their political position. Sound familiar? Yup.",
">\n\nI can think of many different situations that are familiar but I’m genuinely curious as to which you are referring",
">\n\nTrump. More recently Santos. And of course the AG in this story. There are many more. One only needs to google.",
">\n\nJason Ravnsborg, the former AG of South Dakota that hit and killed a pedestrian with his car, fled the scene and drove home. 18 months later he was fined $4,000 and sentenced to ZERO jail time.",
">\n\nrod blagojevich",
">\n\nI mean, didn't he go to jail pretty quickly and stay there until Trump pardoned him?",
">\n\nIs he in charge of his own prosecution?",
">\n\nLawsuits aren't criminal, they're civil. There's no prosecution in this instance, just a bunch of lawyers.",
">\n\nIn a separate case, he's been indicted by a grand jury for securities fraud, which is also what he's being sued for.\nHe was indicted in 2015.",
">\n\nForeigner here, is that state of federal? What's holding up the process of charges after initial indictment in theory outside the in practice fact that as Texas AG he seems to be able to stall them indefinitely due to his position somehow?",
">\n\nIt’s federal, but it happened in the state of Texas where he’ll be tried, if I’m not mistaken. From what I understand, all securities fraud is a federal offense.",
">\n\nAs a Texan I'll believe it when I see it. Last year he was served at home. His wife said he wasn't there. The process server waited and 5 minutes later Paxton's wife drove off with Kenny ducking down hiding, then didn't show to court claiming he had no reasonable way to know he had been subpoenaed.",
">\n\nHe also said he feared for his life lol.",
">\n\nPaxton has been indicted for fraud since 2017...\nstill waiting for him to face any consequences for that.",
">\n\nStill nothing about the fraud and bribery?!? 😂",
">\n\nHe should have faced an ethics lawsuit 8 years ago\nWhat he should be facing NOW is a prison sentence",
">\n\nNot a very honest man - do we want him as a lawyer? Texans should make sure he can do no more harm.",
">\n\nWe tried. The city burbs flipped back to from purple to red this cycle despite all of his scandals and I believe rural turnout increased.\nIt's immensely frustrating, but that's our reality. A ton of 2020 left leaning voters simply sat things out again, despite setting new records for turnout just 2 years prior.\nReducing the timeline for early voting likely didn't help, and the GOP voting totals were down too, but not by as much. Beto failed to get the same levels of enthusiasm as 2018, which isn't too surprising sadly, but the fact that enough people didn't want to get rid of Paxton directly was frustrating. He's among the most corrupt members of the GOP, and that's saying something.",
">\n\ni can understand not voting because your not enthusiastic about a candidate, but i can't understand how spite and vengeance don't pick up that slack?\n/s",
">\n\nA depressing truth about Trump might be that the media circus about him galvanizes both his supporters and opponents, creating new records of turnout.\nWithout Trump there, some parts of the country let apathy take over again. Thankfully, Texas and Florida were the exception, not the rule in the rest of the country. 2022 was still a good election year for us. I just hate it because more red states are facing crucial and practical consequences for the GOP holding power, abortion and voting rights restrictions among them. The longer it goes on like this, the worse life gets for a ton of people, including those who take stands against it. \nAnd not everyone is able to just up and leave due to the way red states often monopolize certain industries, or the cost of living challenges of moving cross country at all for literally anyone.",
">\n\nSo, we all know nothing will come of this. But let’s say, hypothetically, that he WAS disbarred for this. Would that automatically make him ineligible to serve as AG? Or are you even required to be a legally practicing attorney to hold that position?",
">\n\nA law license is not a requirement apparently.",
">\n\nThis came up with Bill Barr, being a licensed attorney is not a requirement to be the US AG but it does cause issues.\nAny prosecutors working in the AG office that allow a non-attorney to be part of a case risks being disbarred themselves too. Meaning the disbarred AG can't be involved in any of the cases that the office is handling which kinda negates the whole point of being the top prosecutor. If Paxton loses his law license, it would neuter the AG's office in theory though given his history he'll just ignore that too.\nHe just needs to be thrown in jail where he belongs.",
">\n\nHope there is a day of reckoning for this pathetic excuse for a human being, and an avoidable drain on resources.",
">\n\nDo you mean Ken Paxton who was indicted for felony securities fraud?",
">\n\nWhat about the criminal probes opened against him?",
">\n\nMore of this please.",
">\n\nHow about the trial for securities fraud he was indicted for eight years ago? When does he have to face that trial?",
">\n\nImagine electing a criminal to enforce law. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine it. Just look at any republican in power.",
">\n\nanother toadie who lied about an election that trump lost by seven million votes. republicans will send him to the house and put him on a committee with jordan or mtg or matt or any of dozens of republicans who hold federal offices while they actively attempt to mislead the american people for their own political gains. and if peoples lives are threatened along the way as a direct result of those lies - so be it. gop should be so proud of the direction their party has taken towards a racist fascist state based on the lies of a lifetime fraud. great job of tearing apart the country over absolutely nothing.",
">\n\nThat corrupt republican schmuck. Both parties are never innocent but god damn he’s been getting away with such corruption and still re-elected by such brainwashed zombies.",
">\n\n\nPaxton’s lawyers told the Texas court that the bar's allegations were tied to his \"performance of his official duties\" and that seeking to discipline him \"is tantamount to a judicial veto over the exercise of executive discretion.\" \nThe state bar countered that Texas attorney conduct rules \"apply to any attorney engaged in the practice of law regardless of their position.\"\n\nThere is zero chance of Paxton's lawyers ever prevailing on that theory. The Judicial Branch will never rule in favor of reducing it's exclusive authority to oversee the practice of law.",
">\n\nEvery article about him should begin \"Texas AG and human shitstain Ken Paxton today lied about...\"",
">\n\nFin al ly",
">\n\nAnother member of the, \"Law and Order Party,\" who believes they are above the law.\nFuck the GQP.",
">\n\nHe will die of old age before any of the myriad of cases against him go to trial.",
">\n\nThen do it.",
">\n\nIt’s Texas should the judge order him dragged behind a horse or to get a “whoopin”? They need to really lean into the cowboy thing.",
">\n\nI would love nothing more than to watch this pile of shit be escorted out of a courtroom in handcuffs, but disbarment and ejection from office would suffice (not that I think it will happen).",
">\n\nWell shit. \nHe's already lost. That fucker doesn't even know what and ethic is",
">\n\nI’ve tried to see things from Paxton’s perspective, but my eyes aren’t that goofy.",
">\n\nHis defense was I'm above the law?????",
">\n\nHe won’t because Texas regressives are the majority, and they’re stupid. I hate it here.",
">\n\nI wish he would go back to the cave from which he originated from.",
">\n\nDude looks like a Garbage Pail Kid all grown up and in a suit.",
">\n\nHow have I never seen a picture of him before? What a weird-looking man.",
">\n\nHe reminds me of the shopkeeper in Men in Black who regrows his head after it gets blown off.",
">\n\nStill waiting on him to face a jury on the securities fraud charges from years ago",
">\n\nAll the frivolous lawsuits using US courts as a political platform should be punished by judges. They should impose hefty fines on the transgressors.",
">\n\nWhy do you believe that is what is happening here? Paxton has been under indictment for securities fraud for years. He's also had multiple former employees accuse him of corruption. He blatantly dodged being served a subpoena with the help of his wife (another elected politician in Texas).\nWhile nuisance lawsuits are a problem, I think giving judges the sole authority to declare a lawsuit to be a frivolous political attack and assess a fine against the plaintiff would give political judges far too much power to silence their opposition.",
">\n\nin our lifetime?",
">\n\nNext up: Paxton declares the Bar association an illegal union and Texas creates their own licensing for lawyers modeled after the due diligence they put on concealed carry weapons.",
">\n\nJesus H. Christ, let’s see some consequences for something in this country, for once. It’s like the very ideas of justice and the rule of law have been on vacation since 2016.",
">\n\nWhere have I heard THAT before?",
">\n\nWhat's the big rush?\n/s"
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