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Yup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards."
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I posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence...
Are gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it"
] |
>
Not a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.
The real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.
The issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too..."
] |
>
Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.
That’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.
The real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.
The issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.
The research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then.
The research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%.
Indoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation.
I see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation.
So I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide.
But again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves."
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This is all the rage in Europe.
I prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them."
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Induction is the way
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker"
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My wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way"
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Same here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc."
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And the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference"
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This is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs."
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I don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.
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"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG."
] |
>
A camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies."
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>
Good, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard."
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>
As long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science"
] |
>
It's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling."
] |
>
I'd love to get an induction stove
however that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves"
] |
>
There was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up"
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>
The Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point"
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>
who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.
Ah, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that.
I’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts."
] |
>
They aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff."
] |
>
I know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA."
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>
"Now they are coming for your stove!" "Enough is enough"
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it."
] |
>
The Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\""
] |
>
Well, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023."
] |
>
Long term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?"
] |
>
I’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!"
] |
>
I'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof."
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>
It would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time..."
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>
Oh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control."
] |
>
They also last longer than electric stoves
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric."
] |
>
Do they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves"
] |
>
As an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one."
] |
>
That's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted "new" from the headline because outrage sells.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds."
] |
>
Induction stove is the way to go.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells."
] |
>
Yeah, no.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go."
] |
>
You can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no."
] |
>
They aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves."
] |
>
Which is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit"
] |
>
Firefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard."
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>
The US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions
|
[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe."
] |
>
"Libertarian" is one of those words that means something very different in America than the rest of the world. In the US it's basically a synonym for white supremacy.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.",
">\n\nThe US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions"
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I’m actually from Canada but I can give you my definition. A government that is socially neutral (doesn’t interfere with gay marriage or abortion, treats everyone of every race, gender, sexuality, etc equally), emphasizes less federal power and allows states to make decisions for themselves. If decision making power was mainly on a municipal or state level, more people on the left and right would be satisfied with policies that affect them. It’s easier for two people in the same city or state to agree on an issue than it is for two people across the country.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.",
">\n\nThe US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions",
">\n\n\"Libertarian\" is one of those words that means something very different in America than the rest of the world. In the US it's basically a synonym for white supremacy."
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See, many of the less populated states are filled with dangerous morons who have all decided to be on this suicide pact to run the country and the world into the ground. I really don’t like the “states need more rights,” arguments.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.",
">\n\nThe US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions",
">\n\n\"Libertarian\" is one of those words that means something very different in America than the rest of the world. In the US it's basically a synonym for white supremacy.",
">\n\nI’m actually from Canada but I can give you my definition. A government that is socially neutral (doesn’t interfere with gay marriage or abortion, treats everyone of every race, gender, sexuality, etc equally), emphasizes less federal power and allows states to make decisions for themselves. If decision making power was mainly on a municipal or state level, more people on the left and right would be satisfied with policies that affect them. It’s easier for two people in the same city or state to agree on an issue than it is for two people across the country."
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What I’m advocating for is the states having more independence. If you live in California, you wouldnt be affected by the policy decisions in Wyoming. I think each state should be allowed to govern itself how it wants, and leave all the other states to do the same for themselves. People need to understand that what works in one state won’t necessarily work somewhere else. We need to learn to let others govern themselves regardless of if we disagree with how they do it.
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[
"Good initiative but there are lots of rural and poor communities who still use this, so this agency should take steps to help them find alternatives",
">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.",
">\n\nThe US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions",
">\n\n\"Libertarian\" is one of those words that means something very different in America than the rest of the world. In the US it's basically a synonym for white supremacy.",
">\n\nI’m actually from Canada but I can give you my definition. A government that is socially neutral (doesn’t interfere with gay marriage or abortion, treats everyone of every race, gender, sexuality, etc equally), emphasizes less federal power and allows states to make decisions for themselves. If decision making power was mainly on a municipal or state level, more people on the left and right would be satisfied with policies that affect them. It’s easier for two people in the same city or state to agree on an issue than it is for two people across the country.",
">\n\nSee, many of the less populated states are filled with dangerous morons who have all decided to be on this suicide pact to run the country and the world into the ground. I really don’t like the “states need more rights,” arguments."
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">\n\n\nHowever, Biden’s landmark Inflation Reduction Act includes a rebate of up to $840 for an electric stove or other electric appliances, and up to an $500 to help cover the costs of converting to electric from gas.",
">\n\nDoes that include induction cooktops? I mean, its electric still but coil stove heat sucks.",
">\n\nGoogled and found this.\n\nIf you qualify for the full rebate, you could save $840 on a new electric or induction stove, and up to an additional $500 if you are switching from gas or propane. That means, depending on the model you go with, you could get a brand new induction or electric stove for as little as just a couple hundred dollars.",
">\n\nReminder that gas companies pay a lot of money to spread pro-gas/anti-electric/induction propaganda. That includes fake social media accounts, paying chefs, the whole nine yards.",
">\n\nYup, I remember a few years ago PG&E got in trouble for it",
">\n\nI posted this one because the idea of phasing out gas stoves is a new one to me! Was surprised this was an idea floating out there but makes sense in this climate change world and given how dangerous gas is despite its prevalence... \nAre gas furnaces also on the way out? I've got a gas boiler too...",
">\n\nNot a chance. Most furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly. \nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside. \nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.",
">\n\n\nMost furnaces and boilers made in the last decade are high efficiency and totally contained combustion. There is no danger of any leaks when installed correctly.\n\n\nThat’s the problem per the research (but for gas stoves): perfect scenarios don’t often exist.\n\nThe real issue is gas stoves and ovens that need to be cleaned and homes with bad ventilation. Usually older homes. Your kitchen hood over your stove should be on venting to the outside.\nThe issue is really the situation in your home kitchen and old gas stoves.\n\nThe research paper says that’s part of the problem—inadequate ventilation because people seldom control the layout of their homes. Let alone which appliance options are available unless they are able to hand over serious cash to retrofit. Or—in the case of the 34% of renters—not even then. \nThe research does say that, even with decent ventilation, it only reduces (but doesn’t eliminate) the problem. Kids still demonstrate higher asthma rates than in electric homes, just at less eye popping rates than 13%. \nIndoor combustion is never a good idea, no matter the ventilation. \nI see some people defending gas stove preferences in here and downplaying the 13% childhood asthma rate. The study says it is equivalent to childhood asthma caused by second hand smoke. Except that’s with so-so ventilation which existed today, compared to normal second hand smoke without ventilation. \nSo I guess people should consider whether they would like their children growing up with significant second hand smoke exposure every day of their lives for at least 18 years. Because that’s what gas appliances provide. \nBut again, for a lot of people this isn’t even a choice of theirs. It is something forced upon them.",
">\n\nThis is all the rage in Europe. \nI prefer gas but it's not a deal breaker",
">\n\nInduction is the way",
">\n\nMy wife and I recently moved from a house with a gas stove (and furnace, dryer, water heater, fireplace) and we now have a brand new induction stove in our new home. Takes a bit of getting used to, but we already love it. Can't believe how quickly it can boil a pot of water, etc.",
">\n\nSame here. Always had gas stoves and then moved into a house with induction. Had to get rid of a couple aluminum pans that don't work with it, but overall really like it. And as someone with asthma I like the idea that it's better for my lungs, even if I don't notice the difference",
">\n\nAnd the right will give their kids asthma just to own the libs.",
">\n\nThis is incredibly short-sighted. We just had a blizzard and my power was out for two days. I hooked up a portable generator and was able to heat my house, take showers, and cook meals because I have gas appliances. Our power infrastructure needs to become a lot more reliable before I can get behind any efforts to phase out NG.",
">\n\nI don't think they're banning camp stoves, which should work just fine in emergencies.",
">\n\nA camp stove would not have helped at all though. It was a blizzard.",
">\n\nGood, but we should be pushing more things akin to the Green New Deal and other regulations based around hard science",
">\n\nAs long as rural community without power or Native communities that rely on propane stoves/fridges get to keep it. Idk seems kinda dumb how many people who have power are even using gas stoves? Like 30 people? The only ones using mass amounts of gas powered stoves are restaurants and for some reason I feel they will be the only ones with the exemption. Unless U.S. government wants almost every restaurant to do a complete kitchen remodeling.",
">\n\nIt's actually a lot of people. Gonna preface it this time, cause I got a lot of flak yesterday; I bake a lot and so it comes up in casual conversation at work. You'd be surprised at the amount of people in the military, especially in the South, cling to gas stoves",
">\n\nI'd love to get an induction stove\nhowever that would be a $1000+ purchase at minimum, most are 2-3k plus new wiring to hook it up",
">\n\nThere was once a time when the government helped people 'modernize' their homes. I really wish we could get back to that point",
">\n\nThe Inflation Reduction Act has a rebate program for changing from a gas appliance to electric. It will be up to the states to determine who and what qualifies and the actual amounts.",
">\n\n\nwho and what qualifies and the actual amounts.\n\nAh, yea, so approximately residents of 32 states won’t qualify for this for various reasons. Meanwhile, some states will find plenty of money to traffic asylum seekers and charter private flights for its executive branch, things like that. \nI’m in NC, where Democrats cowered as Republicans ran wild, so this program is definitely not going to be made available. I’m willing to guess it will appropriate the funds to give out dividends to businesses here (they already pay 0% in tax legally) like so many other federal program funding without real enforcement on the state level. Like the solar credit stuff.",
">\n\nThey aren't going to ban the stove you already have. Just new installations. This was already done in CA.",
">\n\nI know that, but that certainly isn’t how Fox News is going to sell it.",
">\n\n\"Now they are coming for your stove!\" \"Enough is enough\"",
">\n\nThe Great War on Christmas and gas stoves of 2023.",
">\n\nWell, this raises questions. Restaurants? Backyard gas grills? Gas water heaters? Gas dryers? Gas central units?",
">\n\nLong term questions for sure. Of course disingenuous GOP types will frame it as an imminent threat to freedom!",
">\n\nI’m not Republican, but I sure enjoy cooking on a gas stove. I hear they simply need to apply some sort of emissions control, not ban the sale thereof.",
">\n\nI'd assume any ban would apply to new construction and multi decade phasing out in older homes with mitigation requirements in the short term. Eventually we'll transition to clean electric all around, but probably not in my life time...",
">\n\nIt would create a shortage and prices would escalate. I compare it to manual transmissions in cars. Because of EVs, manufacturers began to drop the manual transmission option in ICE powered cars. Well, once the public figured that out demand skyrocketed for cars with manual transmissions and prices too. Most people in the US preference an automatic, but in other countries manuals are much more popular. I see the same happening with gas ranges. Professionals prefer cooking with a gas range as does most anybody that loves to cook. Gas ranges are far more popular than manual transmissions, so the manufacturers will probably come up with some sort of emissions control.",
">\n\nOh fuck that. Natural gas is pretty clean burning and cooking on it is so much better than electric.",
">\n\nThey also last longer than electric stoves",
">\n\nDo they plan to replace anyone who has a gas stove already or is that another 600 out of my pocket that I just spent to replace my last oven to this one.",
">\n\nAs an armchair expert, It would probably be new builds only, not affecting existing builds.",
">\n\nThat's how California's gas stove ban works. CNN omitted \"new\" from the headline because outrage sells.",
">\n\nInduction stove is the way to go.",
">\n\nYeah, no.",
">\n\nYou can ban them over my asthmatic children's dead body! Put a God damn warnin sign if you want. The best stoves are still gas stoves.",
">\n\nThey aren't. Scientifically, they arent and are way more hazardous to your health to outweigh any cooking benefit",
">\n\nWhich is why warning signs are a good solution. I'm willing to overlook minor possible health hazards for cooking benefits. Breathing in city air is a health hazard.",
">\n\nFirefighter here. I've ran far more gas-stove caused house fires than electric-stove house fires. Gas/propane isn't safe.",
">\n\nThe US needs a libertarian party so bad. I know they have one but it doesn’t get enough support to be notable. The democrats and republicans are both authoritarians with few exceptions",
">\n\n\"Libertarian\" is one of those words that means something very different in America than the rest of the world. In the US it's basically a synonym for white supremacy.",
">\n\nI’m actually from Canada but I can give you my definition. A government that is socially neutral (doesn’t interfere with gay marriage or abortion, treats everyone of every race, gender, sexuality, etc equally), emphasizes less federal power and allows states to make decisions for themselves. If decision making power was mainly on a municipal or state level, more people on the left and right would be satisfied with policies that affect them. It’s easier for two people in the same city or state to agree on an issue than it is for two people across the country.",
">\n\nSee, many of the less populated states are filled with dangerous morons who have all decided to be on this suicide pact to run the country and the world into the ground. I really don’t like the “states need more rights,” arguments.",
">\n\nWhat I’m advocating for is the states having more independence. If you live in California, you wouldnt be affected by the policy decisions in Wyoming. I think each state should be allowed to govern itself how it wants, and leave all the other states to do the same for themselves. People need to understand that what works in one state won’t necessarily work somewhere else. We need to learn to let others govern themselves regardless of if we disagree with how they do it."
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Obviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.
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Not so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.
From that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one."
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Also if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet"
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Longitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.
I think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire."
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I guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the "standard year" or something
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?"
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"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?"
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something"
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We could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\""
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Good luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions
It’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that"
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You are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.
When space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.
In order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.
It's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.
It's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k"
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They already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes.
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe."
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There are other coordinates and measurments for space and have been for some time
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.",
">\n\nThey already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes."
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That’s not true. The moon is mapped out and if we can get to it, that will be mapped out too if it is not already.
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">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.",
">\n\nThey already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes.",
">\n\nThere are other coordinates and measurments for space and have been for some time"
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It’s not gonna be a problem for me, because I can’t find people now if they tell me north, east, south or west. Tell me to turn by the McDonald’s on the corner or head towards the car lot with the big American flag. I mean I’m gonna get lost in space anyway without landmarks, but I get lost on the planet earth with landmark so I will be able to tell no difference Lol.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.",
">\n\nThey already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes.",
">\n\nThere are other coordinates and measurments for space and have been for some time",
">\n\nThat’s not true. The moon is mapped out and if we can get to it, that will be mapped out too if it is not already."
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I guess no one in this sub has ever used celestial navigation. Direction is based on Polaris (the North Star), bearing is then used to determine which radial (1 to 360) you are on from any star you choose (use 3 stars roughly 120 degrees apart to triangulate your relative location). The military installed Astro trackers on some aircraft in the 1960s. I used celestial navigation as a navigator on Air Force aircraft from 1992-2006.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.",
">\n\nThey already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes.",
">\n\nThere are other coordinates and measurments for space and have been for some time",
">\n\nThat’s not true. The moon is mapped out and if we can get to it, that will be mapped out too if it is not already.",
">\n\nIt’s not gonna be a problem for me, because I can’t find people now if they tell me north, east, south or west. Tell me to turn by the McDonald’s on the corner or head towards the car lot with the big American flag. I mean I’m gonna get lost in space anyway without landmarks, but I get lost on the planet earth with landmark so I will be able to tell no difference Lol."
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nObviously, by the time space travel becomes commonplace there will already be an alternate coordinate system. Space travel couldn't become commonplace without one.",
">\n\nNot so. The spinning of a planet determines these directions. If you take your right hand, make a thumbs-up sign, and orient it so that your fingers curl in the direction the planet is spinning, your thumb will point towards the north pole and the other directions will be consistent with earth.\nFrom that we can get latitude angles without any arbitrary decisions. The only piece that is arbitrary is where you start numbering longitude. We can set some standard for that pretty easily though. For example, we could say that the point of highest elevation on the planet is longitude 0. That would give a complete coordinate system for any planet",
">\n\nAlso if you hold a wire with your right hand, and thumb pointing in the direction of current flow, your curled fingures match the rotation of the magnetic field generated by the flowing current through the wire.",
">\n\nLongitude and latitude didn't exist before we started having ocean-bound ships. Once we have space ships, we'll invent star charts.\nI think it'll be harder to standardise calendars and time. How will age work if you live on a planet where 1 year = 4 Earth months?",
">\n\nI guess just make it arbitrary, like the Prime Meridian, and make the Earth year the \"standard year\" or something",
">\n\n\"yeah can we meet 10,000km away from mars in the direction of Andromeda galaxy?\"",
">\n\nWe could deploy planets and other celestial objects as references. Their displacement will be an issue since all systems and individual celestial objects keep moving but much advanced navigation systems should solve that",
">\n\nGood luck with the space flight thing if you can’t handle tridimensional coordinates and unit/origin/orientation conversions\nIt’s the kind of math that could be handled by a Spectrum 48k",
">\n\nYou are correct that the concepts of cardinal directions (North, South, East and West) and latitude and longitude, which are based on the characteristics of the Earth, would not be useful when navigating in space. Because we are on earth and it's rotation create this point of reference.\nWhen space travel becomes more commonplace, it is likely that a new system of navigation will be developed that is better suited to space travel. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a good example of such a system. GPS uses a network of satellites orbiting the Earth to provide accurate location and navigation information to users on the ground. But as you point out, this system is only useful on and around Earth, it will not work in deep space.\nIn order to navigate in deep space, spacecraft would have to rely on other methods such as astronomical observations, radar, and radio signals. Some spacecrafts use the natural objects such as the sun, stars, or even distant galaxies to navigate.\nIt's important to note that current space missions rely on a combination of methods, such as ground-based radar, spacecraft telemetry, and optical tracking, to determine the positions of spacecraft in flight. But as space travel becomes more advanced and more common in the future, it's likely that new technologies and systems will be developed to make space navigation more accurate, efficient, and accessible.\nIt's also likely that a universal point of reference will be developed for deep space travel, it could be a distant galaxy or a quasar or any other natural objects that are visible from different parts of the universe.",
">\n\nThey already solve this a long time ago. Go watch a documentary on the Voyager probes.",
">\n\nThere are other coordinates and measurments for space and have been for some time",
">\n\nThat’s not true. The moon is mapped out and if we can get to it, that will be mapped out too if it is not already.",
">\n\nIt’s not gonna be a problem for me, because I can’t find people now if they tell me north, east, south or west. Tell me to turn by the McDonald’s on the corner or head towards the car lot with the big American flag. I mean I’m gonna get lost in space anyway without landmarks, but I get lost on the planet earth with landmark so I will be able to tell no difference Lol.",
">\n\nI guess no one in this sub has ever used celestial navigation. Direction is based on Polaris (the North Star), bearing is then used to determine which radial (1 to 360) you are on from any star you choose (use 3 stars roughly 120 degrees apart to triangulate your relative location). The military installed Astro trackers on some aircraft in the 1960s. I used celestial navigation as a navigator on Air Force aircraft from 1992-2006."
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Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!
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Keychron’s website
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"Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!"
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Hotline Miami in keyboard form
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"Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!",
">\n\nKeychron’s website"
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Wow that is seriously sick
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"Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!",
">\n\nKeychron’s website",
">\n\nHotline Miami in keyboard form"
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Thanks man
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"Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!",
">\n\nKeychron’s website",
">\n\nHotline Miami in keyboard form",
">\n\nWow that is seriously sick"
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"Yo where did you get that cable it looks sick!",
">\n\nKeychron’s website",
">\n\nHotline Miami in keyboard form",
">\n\nWow that is seriously sick",
">\n\nThanks man"
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Do they have portable high rises that they drag around so they can toss people out of the window.....
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"Do they have portable high rises that they drag around so they can toss people out of the window....."
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Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅
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I thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.
While caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅"
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Does anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble"
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That wallpaper filled me with sadness...
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?"
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You and me both friend lol
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness..."
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What keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol"
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Deadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥"
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Neon caps are a great touch
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼"
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Where did you get the neon keycaps?
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch"
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Deadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?"
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Stop it. That’s beautiful.
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"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼"
] |
>
Thanks you!
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful."
] |
>
Looks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!"
] |
>
The typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture"
] |
>
sounds cool man, will for sure look into that
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far."
] |
>
what switches are those?
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that"
] |
>
Novel Keys Creams Launch Edition
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?"
] |
>
Rad!
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?",
">\n\nNovel Keys Creams Launch Edition"
] |
>
Love the look of the keycaps! How does it feel typing on them?
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?",
">\n\nNovel Keys Creams Launch Edition",
">\n\nRad!"
] |
>
They are very thocky, the keys feel as if you are typing on marble is the best way I can describe it, but they feel great imo 👍🏼
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?",
">\n\nNovel Keys Creams Launch Edition",
">\n\nRad!",
">\n\nLove the look of the keycaps! How does it feel typing on them?"
] |
>
Thank you! I’ve been thinking about mixing in some high quality clear keycaps on my new board - glad to hear they have a substantial feeling!
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?",
">\n\nNovel Keys Creams Launch Edition",
">\n\nRad!",
">\n\nLove the look of the keycaps! How does it feel typing on them?",
">\n\nThey are very thocky, the keys feel as if you are typing on marble is the best way I can describe it, but they feel great imo 👍🏼"
] |
>
|
[
"Haha wow I was considering using tangies for this build at one point too😅",
">\n\nI thought green stems would kinda match to the green novalties.\nWhile caps are finger print magnet, and if you got light on, the reflection from the caps' surface prevents you to read the legends on the caps, and it came with faulty space bars. The caps are thock. They sound like marble",
">\n\nDoes anyone know of a keycap set where the entire set is neon green like this?",
">\n\nThat wallpaper filled me with sadness...",
">\n\nYou and me both friend lol",
">\n\nWhat keycaps are those? They look dope 🔥",
">\n\nDeadline airg keycaps friend👍🏼",
">\n\nNeon caps are a great touch",
">\n\nWhere did you get the neon keycaps?",
">\n\nDeadline airgkeycaps on otakeebs 👍🏼",
">\n\nStop it. That’s beautiful.",
">\n\nThanks you!",
">\n\nLooks super clean! But how do they feel comapred to PBT? Im iffy on moving away from PBT because all my ABS sets get little to no use because of the shine buildup and texture",
">\n\nThe typing feel is def different from PBT, it feels like you’re typing with marble keycaps is the best way I can describe it. They are very thocky, not sure if the thocky sound signature is mainly due to the nk65 or the keycaps tho as I’ve only used these keycaps on this board so far.",
">\n\nsounds cool man, will for sure look into that",
">\n\nwhat switches are those?",
">\n\nNovel Keys Creams Launch Edition",
">\n\nRad!",
">\n\nLove the look of the keycaps! How does it feel typing on them?",
">\n\nThey are very thocky, the keys feel as if you are typing on marble is the best way I can describe it, but they feel great imo 👍🏼",
">\n\nThank you! I’ve been thinking about mixing in some high quality clear keycaps on my new board - glad to hear they have a substantial feeling!"
] |
Dre tells her to forget about Dre.
|
[] |
>
For clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre."
] |
>
Oh the terrorist, thanks for confirming
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene"
] |
>
The party of Law and Order
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming"
] |
>
never pay your debts, never ask permission, never care for the sick/vets/elderly, never be charitable, never apologize, never tell the truth, never keep your word - tenets of the modern right
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming",
">\n\nThe party of Law and Order"
] |
>
This title doesn't do the story justice.
Through his lawyers, Dr. Dre gave the equivalent of a public pantsing to MTG. Every eloquent syllable was more erotic than the one preceding it.
Edited because I'm an idiot.
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming",
">\n\nThe party of Law and Order",
">\n\nnever pay your debts, never ask permission, never care for the sick/vets/elderly, never be charitable, never apologize, never tell the truth, never keep your word - tenets of the modern right"
] |
>
And then she responded in turn saying that he was a bad influence with his music…the same music she tried using.
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming",
">\n\nThe party of Law and Order",
">\n\nnever pay your debts, never ask permission, never care for the sick/vets/elderly, never be charitable, never apologize, never tell the truth, never keep your word - tenets of the modern right",
">\n\nThis title doesn't do the story justice.\nThrough his lawyers, Dr. Dre gave the equivalent of a public pantsing to MTG. Every eloquent syllable was more erotic than the one preceding it.\nEdited because I'm an idiot."
] |
>
She's a garbage human. I hope all artists follow Dr. Dre's lead here.
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming",
">\n\nThe party of Law and Order",
">\n\nnever pay your debts, never ask permission, never care for the sick/vets/elderly, never be charitable, never apologize, never tell the truth, never keep your word - tenets of the modern right",
">\n\nThis title doesn't do the story justice.\nThrough his lawyers, Dr. Dre gave the equivalent of a public pantsing to MTG. Every eloquent syllable was more erotic than the one preceding it.\nEdited because I'm an idiot.",
">\n\nAnd then she responded in turn saying that he was a bad influence with his music…the same music she tried using."
] |
>
i've never gotten over the layered irony-onion that was donald trump using arguably the gayest song of all time, performed by some very gay men (and against the gay men's wishes - although i suppose that was kind of trump's thing) singing about how yummy "macho" men are - all to attempt to unironically convey just how "macho" he was irl
how the people in those crowds weren't weeping with hysterical laughter i'll never understand
like if a guy showed up to a fist-fight wearing nothing but ass-less chaps and a stetson and warning you not to mess with him cause he was a "cowboy"
|
[
"Dre tells her to forget about Dre.",
">\n\nFor clarity, this is Marjorie Taylor Greene",
">\n\nOh the terrorist, thanks for confirming",
">\n\nThe party of Law and Order",
">\n\nnever pay your debts, never ask permission, never care for the sick/vets/elderly, never be charitable, never apologize, never tell the truth, never keep your word - tenets of the modern right",
">\n\nThis title doesn't do the story justice.\nThrough his lawyers, Dr. Dre gave the equivalent of a public pantsing to MTG. Every eloquent syllable was more erotic than the one preceding it.\nEdited because I'm an idiot.",
">\n\nAnd then she responded in turn saying that he was a bad influence with his music…the same music she tried using.",
">\n\nShe's a garbage human. I hope all artists follow Dr. Dre's lead here."
] |
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