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Research project STIRP was on its way to Italy. STIRP was put together primarily with the purpose of examining the shroud to determine how the image was formed. But we had the big problem of never being able to see the thing we were to examine until we got there. It was like an expedition into an unknown part of the jungle.
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We brought with us a host of technologies. Virtually every type of imaging that we had available to us to determine how the image was formed. I thought that I was going to be able to walk into the room, see the shroud unveiled, walk up to it, look closely, see the brush strokes, and go home. One day, to set up the equipment, get it unpacked, set up...
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and calibrated and that night we were supposed to get the shroud around midnight and of course about 11 o'clock a little early very unusual the shroud was brought down the hallway into the room
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One of the first experiments that was done on the Shroud was to separate the cloth from its backing cloth in a small area, about four inches. That allowed us the first look at the backside or the underside of the Shroud of Turin in 400 years, and this image is the precise moment that they took their first peek at the back of the Shroud.
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Then Professor Rigi of the Italian team inserted an endoscopic camera between the two claws. When I saw that focusing light underneath the number three blood stain, I turned off the room lights, he turned on the focusing light, and we saw for the first time that the blood stains had actually soaked into the claw, the way blood would, and the image did not. Right away, a significant discovery.
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When viewed from the front, both the image and the blood are seen clearly. But when light is shown through the back of the shroud, the blood is visible, but the image is not. That was something we didn't know until that moment, which meant the image could not be a painting, or we would have a density of paint on the shroud that would show in a transmitted light photograph.
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One of the theories of image formation on the shroud was that it might be a scorch because the color is something like the scorch color of an ironing board cover. In normal light, both scorch and image look the same. Since all scorches fluoresce under ultraviolet light, we imaged the shroud using UV photography. We did not see body image.
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We got wonderful images of all the scorches on the shroud, but the body image didn't show at all, proving that the body image could not be a scorch. And that is the voice of the late, great Barry Schwartz.
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A guest on this show six or eight times, and I'm honored to have two recent guests, Dr. Fred Baltz and Dr. Larry Stolle, joining us here today to give a tribute to this amazing man who was an Orthodox Jew and was a member of the Shroud of Turin Research Project, died very quickly.
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just this past month, and he's irreplaceable. I'll start with Dr. Baltz. Welcome back to the Talk of the Kenai, Doctor. Thank you very much. Good to be with you. That is from the documentary In Pursuit of the Shroud, where Barry Schwartz was interviewed about one of his great memories of his time, those 72 hours in 1978. Did you ever meet Barry? No.
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I did meet him. I can't say that I know him well, because there just wasn't the opportunity to do that. But at one of the International Shroud Conferences, I met him and talked with him briefly. And also, I had the opportunity to speak with him on the phone, because the church that I serve, St. Matthew Lutheran Church in Galena, Illinois,
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purchased a copy of the shroud printed on cloth, and he was the only one who could make that happen. It was done through him. So setting that all up gave me the opportunity to speak with him, and I wish I could have had the opportunity to know him better, but my contact with him, as limited as it was,
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told me that here's a person who sees himself as kind of a guardian of the Shroud in a sense, that all this information, all this research that's being done, all this has to go someplace and be taken care of and preserved and made available
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Because the shroud itself has got to be taken seriously because of what it is. And you know, it has to be made understandable to those of us who aren't scientists. And he did a tremendous job, didn't he? Yes, he did. He was very articulate, but he knew how to speak to the common person. And to take the results of the scientific inquiry...
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and make that much clearer to people who didn't have scientific background of the researchers. Larry Stolle, welcome again to the Talk of the Keen. I understand you know Fred Baltz. You've met. Oh, you know, Bob, it's a pleasure to be with you again. Dr. Baltz, we have not met, but I am actually indebted
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to uh to fred to your work uh i could tell a little interesting story how that how that came about but uh you know god used you to uh spur me on in the work that i've done on the shroud so i certainly appreciate that very much and good to be on the program with uh with fred fred today larry did you meet uh barry schwartz uh yes i at an international conference one up in toronto uh
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up near Toronto, Canada, some years ago, met Barry. And a number of times we spoke on the phone. Now, Barry was always a person who was accessible. He made time for, you know, who was I, starting out in the shroud research. But whoever you were, he always made time for you. He was humble, patient, and, of course, very knowledgeable.
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And indebted to him, I think we all are, this website that he's left that Dr. Balz mentioned where that research has to go somewhere. Shrug.com is the primary website people can go to where so many research papers are available there.
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He's turned it over to the very capable hands of Joe Marino, who I also was hoping to get on this show today. Maybe I can after the funeral. Joe, of course, has his own role in the shroud history, and it's a big one.
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but yes yeah we'll probably get a chance to talk about that but larry uh let me see if i can get this straight because everyone thinks of the shroud as a catholic thing but it's really it's for all of humanity your denomination larry is as an uh how do you characterize yourself an evangelical uh not exactly just non-denominational christian and
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Yes, the shroud is for all humanity. It's God's testimony concerning his son. This image, a miraculous image, that we cannot duplicate today. We cannot replicate it with all its various characteristics. And it was not the work of an artist. Barry was on the STIRP scientific team, and that was one of their primary conclusions, was this image was not the work of man. It was not...
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Not the work of an artist, and we can't explain exactly how it came about. Dr. Baltz, do you consider yourself, and correct me if I'm wrong, an evangelical Lutheran? Well, that's a really good question, and of course you would not have any way of knowing this, but that's a question...
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Which, because of the words that you use, can be interpreted in a bunch of different ways. I know it is. We can't agree on the terms. Okay. In the sense of God-centered, then I would be evangelical. You know, Martin Luther didn't want the church to be called Lutheran. I don't know if you knew that, but the name stuck. I certainly did. Yeah. And he wanted it to be called the evangelical church. Okay.
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In the sense that LifeWay Research defines evangelical for their purposes, the part of Lutheranism that I fall under is evangelical, but I think it would be probably more accurate to say that I'm a sacramental evangelical. Yes, and I know exactly what that means, too. So let's move on from there, because the one thing that...
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You know, as you said, there are replicas of the shroud that Barry produced. I own one of them. I carry it with me now throughout the entire country. I've been to New Jersey, Florida, Minnesota, and soon to be Illinois, of course, here in Alaska.
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the impact of this man is going to rate so high. I think when you live with a person in your contemporary and you don't really realize until you've lost them the impact that they've had. And I think with the Internet and Shroud.com and the fact that he made something like 55 or 60 replicas of the Shroud for those who wanted one,
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has done more to awaken people to the importance of Barry's ministry, which he just found himself being carried into. Like he grabbed a wave and didn't know where it was going to go. What do you think, Larry? Most certainly. Let me add one tidbit there. I said that the shroud, we can't reproduce it. So what we're talking about, what Barry's done is with ink.
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But the image on the shroud has no substance to create that image. There's no ink. So we can replicate something that looks like it, but in the fine details on the shroud, there is no substance that's been added to produce that image. But, yeah, you're correct about Barry's legacy is going to live on. And I hope, you know, he never did, as my understanding goes,
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profess to be a Christian. And there is this, I think, common among the Orthodox Jews to believe that Christianity is just a Gentile faith, which it's not. The Shroud is for everyone, and Christianity is for everyone. And as a Gentile, I've been adopted into the Jewish faith. Jesus is our Messiah.
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Okay, and I'm going to take a break right now when I come back. Fred, you'll be next, and we'll talk about Barry's legacy. Our guests right now are Dr. Fred Balsz and Dr. Larry Stolle. They are Shroud scholars and lecturers, and we'll have Myra Adams, who is a political and religious columnist of national stature. She'll be our guest in the second half hour.
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Peninsula Community Health Services. Now more of the talk of the Kenai on KSRM. Call now at 907-283-5811. Our guests are two Protestant pastors. They're not necessarily going to call themselves Protestants, I know. Dr. Fred Baltz and Dr. Larry Stolle, thanks for joining us. Dr. Baltz, we're here to extol the incredible unity of...
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That the Shroud has created amongst even non-Christians, because Barry's an Orthodox Jew. He even gave lectures in front of Muslims. I still scratch my head on that one. And his...
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His as Dr. Stolle asked, you know, how come he's not a Christian? He said, God, I know he said one thing. God is still working on me. And he certainly held himself back because maybe there was going to be maybe some sort of naturalistic explanation for the image on the child. After all, he wanted to reserve judgment. But what do you think, Fred?
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Well, you know, that's been a fascinating question for me for a long time. I've always wondered, where is Barry in his faith life? Is he a Christian? Does he believe in Jesus, but he doesn't feel like he should confess it? Is it that he doesn't want to identify with the Christian church, but personally, privately, he's a believer in Jesus? He certainly, from what I can tell, he certainly believed.
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that on the basis of the evidence from the shroud, Jesus died and was raised again. But now there's another Jewish gentleman, no longer living, but he was a scholar in the 20th century. His name was Pinchas Lapida. And he wrote as part of a group of Jews who were, well, they were much more favorable to Jesus
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than had been the case before. A number of scholars, he was one of them, and he believed in the resurrection of Jesus. He argued for the resurrection of Jesus, and yet he didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. So there are...
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There are different ways that a person like Barry could try to put all the pieces together. And I don't know if anyone will ever really know just how he put the pieces together. But he certainly believed on the basis of the shroud that he had to take this message to the world. And certainly did. Dr. Stolle, any comments on that?
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Oh, Fred said it much better than I could. Well stated. All right. So now we're going to talk about the impact because the shroud has bounced back. It looked like every time it looks like Christianity's had it, it bounced back. Every time they thought Jesus was defeated, he bounced back. And the shroud, a gift to us, just cannot be suppressed. The carbon-14...
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tests of 1988 are now, by anybody, any knowledgeable skeptic won't bring it up anymore. They're still skeptics, but they won't bring up the carbon-14 dating anymore, will they, Larry? No, they can't take it serious like they tried to. But, you know, we have a whole new venue now. We have not only science, we have historical evidence. And something that Fred and myself have been involved in is the biblical text itself. There are
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There's puzzles, there's riddles in the New Testament that scholars have been, you know, scratching their head over for centuries. And I'm convinced the evidence that the image on the shroud is the best solution for a number of these puzzling statements that we find in the New Testament.
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And, of course, that was a topic when you were a guest on this show some months ago. Of course, my favorite is Galatians 3, Chapter 1. All you foolish Galatians who have seen Jesus Christ publicly portrayed as crucified. That's one translation. But there's more than that. And it is an absolute, it's like being an archaeologist, isn't it?
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Yes, it is in the biblical text, in fact, being an archaeologist. And there's several of these. There's, in Hebrews, the writer mentions how when Jesus appeared as a high priest, through the greater and more perfect tent, or tabernacle, and with his own blood, he entered into the heavenly sanctuary. I think that text is also talking about the shroud and its image. There's a passage in 1 John 5, Jesus...
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came by water and blood, not by the water only, but by the water and by the blood. And it mentions there the testimony that God testified concerning his son. I believe that's the image on the cloth. And, you know, a simple one, Bob, is 1 Corinthians 13, that I think very well may have to do with the shroud, where Paul says, now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face.
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And he doesn't say what we see now. Yes. But if you take the object, yeah, at the end of the sentence, his face, now we see the face of Christ dimly. But when he returns, we're going to see him face to face. So it's quite possible Paul was traveling around Asia Minor with the shroud as a tool to evangelize new Christians.
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Yes, I think that's possible, or Peter, but it appears that we have evidence of at least four canonical writers knowing about the Shroud and making statements about it in a cryptic form. We've got two minutes to go here before I have to let the two of you go and get Myra Adams on. And Fred, I would say that the Shroud is enjoying a renaissance, and it is also a unifying factor for Christians, isn't it?
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Yes, enjoying a renaissance, and just think if Barry Schwartz hadn't been there to do all that he did, then anybody such as myself who has gone to shroud.com time after time after time for research, I would only have my laptop where I could go and find some old articles from 1988,
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in the newspapers about how the carbon-14 has made the shroud clearly a fake. Well, that didn't happen, and it's Barry Schwartz that deserves the credit for keeping the ball rolling, and the ball is now really rolling and snowballing, and this is an evangelical and evangelistic tool for believers in bringing the gospel to the world.
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Normally, I speak to my guests off the air. Excuse me. But because there's two of you, I want to get a publicly thank you here. And I have to disconnect to get Myra Adams. And I hope you continue to listen. Larry Baltz, thanks for joining us. And excuse me, Fred Baltz and Larry Stolle. God bless you all. And Dr. Baltz, we'll probably talk about baptism. And Larry, we'd like to have your opinion on that too soon. Okay?
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Joining us, and excuse me, Fred Baltz and Larry Stolle. God bless you all. And Dr. Baltz, we'll probably talk about baptism. And Larry, we'd like to have your opinion on that too soon, okay? Okay, thank you for having me, Baltz. Pleasure to be with you, Fred. Same here. Good to be with you all. This is the one, KSRM. It's 4.30.
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ABC News, I'm Dave Packer. It was day one of Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gushkovich's espionage trial in Russia. Reaction from State Department spokesman Matthew Miller. What happened today was a performance put on by Russian authorities to justify their repression of journalists and independent voices.
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Gershkovich was arrested early last year. Coup averted in Bolivia earlier today, armored vehicles ramming the doors of the government palace after the president named a new army commander, troops and military vehicles pulled back. Four people, including two children, shot at a Milwaukee gas station today, all taken to hospitals. Police say they're looking for multiple unknown suspects.
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Courtroom surprise. The 23-year-old man, accused of killing seven people and injuring dozens more at a Fourth of July parade in a Chicago suburb two years ago, was expected to accept a plea deal today that would have given him life in prison. Instead, he rejected that deal. The case will go to trial, which will likely happen in February. This is ABC News.
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Now, news of the Kenai in Alaska. Brought to you by Elite Auto and Diesel Repair. When your vehicle is acting trivial, call 262-2280.
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Officers assigned to the SWAT team in Anchorage have not yet been outfitted for body cameras. Chief Designate Bianca Cross says that means there may not be any video of a deadly shooting by police of a woman during a standoff in East Anchorage last week. Cross said it's still unclear whether Lisa Ferdiz Blair was struck by an officer's bullet. Police found her dead when they entered the home. The autopsy has been conducted, but results have not yet been released.
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The Anchorage Assembly is passing a proposal aimed at expanding housing options in the city. Assembly members voted 7-5 last night to approve the home initiative. The proposal eliminates single-family zoning in Anchorage to allow more flexibility for different types of homes to be built, such as duplexes. For more news, visit our website at RadioKenai.com. That's news of the Kenai and Alaska. I'm Adriana Hernandez-Santana.
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Looking to grow your own delicious berries? Visit Alaska Berries for the best selection of berry plants. We offer a variety of raspberries, strawberries, gooseberries, red currants, black currants, ascaps, and rhubarb. Conveniently located between Kenai and Saldana, just a mile and a quarter down West Poppy Lane. Stop by Alaska Berries noon to six, Wednesday through Sunday. And remember, the gate is closed to keep the moose out, not you.
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Central Peninsula Kenai Spine proudly welcomes Dr. Samuel Adams, an esteemed orthopedic spine surgeon with an outstanding 10-year track record. In addition to cervical spine procedures, he works on thoracic and lumbar spine conditions and performs both fusion and motion-preserving procedures like disc replacement. Don't let back pain derail you. Dr. Adams is accepting new patients. Schedule your appointment today by calling 907-714-5770 and take the first step towards a pain-free life with Central Peninsula Kenai Spine.
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Hey, it's Chelsea Chess inviting you to join me and Mark Gage as we broadcast live this Thursday at Country Liquor on Willow Street in Kenai between 2 and 3 p.m. Stop by, say hi, and check out the liquor store with seemingly the largest selection on the peninsula with some of my favorites like Lindemann's Raspberry Beer. Check out all their pre-mixed cocktails and wine and metal bottles perfect for camping, hiking, and all your 4th of July activities. There's going to be loads of specials for you to check out as we prepare to celebrate 4th of July. No matter what time it is, it's always...
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Enough of the silliness, folks. Just kidding. Because life's way too short to be serious all the time, right? Now listen up. Dan's Automotive is here to rescue your ride. When your car's acting up, don't fret. Just call 907-420-0416.
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Their crew will get your wheels back on track in no time and won't be too silly about it. Dan's Automotive. Because car trouble is no laughing matter. Except when it is. Dan's Automotive. Your road to worry-free driving.
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Now, your Keen Eye Soldotna weather outlook on KSRM 920 AM and 92.5 FM. Brought to you by ConocoPhillips Alaska. Investing in our communities and building Alaska's workforce. Cloudy tonight, the low around 47 degrees. Sunshine for Thursday with a high near 59. More clouds Thursday night, the low 47 degrees. It's 62 degrees outside the KSRM studio.
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And no bumper music, as we like to get our VIP guests as much time as possible. Our guest right now is Dr. Myra Adams. She's a columnist for, I believe, a number of online religious and political columns. And she has been involved with the...
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The Holy Shroud for a long time, and she was a guest of ours not too many weeks ago during the Easter season. Myra, thanks for joining us here on the Talk of the Kenai. Well, thank you for having me. You just gave me an extra title. I'm not a doctor.
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Uh, so, but thank you. I, you just saved me all that time getting a PhD. Yeah, that's an honorary degree. It's an honorary degree. Okay. So I keep hoping for one too. I have a man. Yes. And let's talk about, first of all, uh, both, uh,
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Larry Stolle and Fred Baltz had met Barry Schwartz but did not know him, I think, to the degree that you did. And let's talk about when you met him and the personality he had. It was so breezy and cheerful and so gracious. And let's just talk about Barry Schwartz for a few minutes here and your knowledge of him.
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Well, one of the things I think about Barry is I used to call him King of the Shroud, because I really believe he was, because for decades around the globe, his name was synonymous with the Shroud of Torin. And also, I used to joke to him that the Shroud.com website, which he established in 1996, which, of course, the Internet was in its infancy,
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In 1996. So he was really a groundbreaker in terms of that. And so then when the Shroud grew, the Shroud.com grew and grew and grew, I used to call it the Library of Congress.
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of the Shroud. And I really do believe that's an accurate description because the Shroud.com is really a complete record of practically everything that's been written about the Shroud. So that, you know, that's not a title that I would bestow just, you know, just because it was fun. But in fact, it really was a true title.
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My last email from him was about May 4th, I think, and I was myself recovering from a hip surgery. But he knew then that his health was declining very fast. And maybe you could tell us something about that because you were closer to him. Well, it did come on very quickly. So I can't really speak to, you know, exactly how it unfolded, but it did unfold quickly. And in some ways you could say it was a blessing.
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Because I'd rather have something that's going to be your ultimate demise happen quickly than have it draw out for years. And many of us know people who literally had their illnesses drawn out for years, and it was horrible. So it's actually better that he did suffer for really a relatively short period of time. And now I do believe he's with the Lord. And I think, in fact, I was telling Russ Brio this the other day. He's also another shroud expert who's on Gary's board.
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I said that the Lord, when he met Barry in heaven, he said, you know, my good and faithful servant. You know, well done, good and faithful servant. And I do believe, even though he had a dancing kind of relationship with his belief in Jesus, because he was Jewish. So he and I would have many discussions about that, because I'm also Jewish.
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And so we had that in common, except that I'm a Jewish believer in Jesus, and he was a Jew, he was an Orthodox Jew, and he didn't want to really say that he was a believer in Jesus. He believed that the shroud was, in fact, Jesus. He had some difficulty admitting that Jesus was resurrected, but he also would quote his mother.
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who said that she believed that if the shroud was not in fact Jesus, then nobody would have cared about it. After 2,000 years, it would have been, like, discarded. Nobody just would have cared about it at all. She says, Barry, of course the shroud's authentic. They wouldn't have kept it for 2,000 years if it had belonged to anyone else. It wouldn't have mattered.
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Well, I seem to recall also Barry actually answered the question, and he basically said, oh, God's still working on me, or things to that effect. And you, as having a conversion to Christianity, you certainly had, well, a pedigree that he would respect, I think. Yes, and we discussed it many times. I had this interview with Barry.
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that I'll be glad to read a couple things from. In fact, I just quoted from it, talking about his mother. It was done in 2020, March of 2020, on townhall.com. And the name of it was called Shroud of Turin, Interview with the World's Leading... Happens to be Jewish. And, of course, Barry played that up a lot. It was part of his shtick, you could say. In fact, he was Jewish, and he was the leading proponent of the Shroud. So he was really proud of that. So that really...
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That became part of his persona and the interest that he generated, not just for his knowledge, but who he was and how much he dedicated his life to the Shroud, even though he wasn't that Jewish. Are you going to his funeral? I haven't heard anything about it yet. I was literally on the phone this afternoon with Russ Brio, who's headed out there. He's going to be going to Barry's house with Joe Marino, and they have a conference in Colorado.
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But they're going to drop by Barry's house to just kind of see what's there. I haven't heard anything specifically about a funeral yet. I don't know. Probably not because I have a really intense travel schedule coming up in the next month and a half. So I don't know if I'll be able to go. But hopefully if they do have one, it will be also online. But I haven't heard anything yet. Somebody's got to organize it right now. His son David is kind of dealing with a lot of things. So I haven't heard anything about it.
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you know, specific arrangements for something like that. Right. I would imagine his son would have a lot of things on his plate right now. And Joe Marino told me in an email that he was going out there. So I think the website, shroud.com, is in very good hands with Joe Marino. Yes, absolutely. No, that was planned for, and Joe's going to do a great job. And Joe is, in fact, with Russ, and they're going out there for a conference today.
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and then they are going to go by Barry's house and just kind of see what's there and where to ship things. There's a lot of logistics that have to go on because Barry has a lot of things in his house that are important. Well, there's something about Barry that's more than being an expositor of the properties on the Shroud, and that is it was through Barry that Joe Marino and Sue Benford's work
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could come before Ray Rogers and grant it a legitimacy. And I think that is a huge contribution that Barry was a vital link in that Ray Rogers was a born skeptic,
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and he figured it was Joe Marino and Sue Benford's work on the carbon-14 mistakes were not worthy of even discussing, but it was only through Barry that that came through. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about that? Well, all I can say in general is that Barry impacted so many people. Obviously, that was important with Joe Marino and his wife.
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who's passed away, unfortunately. Certainly the carbon-14 dating is a huge thing, and right now we know it's been so debunked. I mean, we call it really fake news. But certainly Barry impacted Joe's work. But you could say broader...
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But Barry impacted so many people. I mean, he was like the grand poobah because he would so be willing to talk to anyone who called him. And I would get this all the time. People would call me and want to know about what we're doing with the shadow. And they would say, oh, I talked to Barry Schwartz. And I was like, oh, that's so great. And I used to hear that all the time. Barry would talk to anybody who just called him out of the blue and spent time with them and nurtured their interest.
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So he did that. What he did for Joe and Sue in a really, really big way, he stung with so many people. And that ripple effect is still rippling and will continue to ripple because of who he was and how he loved the Shroud. He knew the impact that he could have on people.
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Well, I'm one example. I'm one example of somebody who called him out of the blue. And I was stunned about he spoke to me for an hour and a half. That's not unusual. That is absolutely not unusual. Yeah, that happened quite a bit. Myra, when we come back. Yeah, go ahead. Can you can you. I was just going to say you've got something. I was going to say that he in this interview that I did in 2020 with him.
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Barry was writing an autobiography. Of course, this was in 2020. He didn't know when he was going to get finished with it. Obviously, I don't think he ever finished it. But the name of the autobiography was This Was Not My Idea.
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So whose idea was it? Yeah. Okay. And I'll read you his answer. The answer should be quite obvious. And since this was something I was destined to do, the only correct answer would be God. But to qualify, the book's purpose is to explain that throughout my life, this happened that had to have happened to lead me to my work with the Shroud. Wow. Wow.
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Myra, we'll be right back, and I'd like you to talk about the museum that you are working towards, okay? Thank you so much. Stand by. Myra Adams, we'll be right back. It's 62 degrees and 446 on the Talk of the Kenai.
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Alaska Bolt & Chain is excited to announce expanded summer hours. From now to September 30th, they're open 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Alaska Bolt & Chain, locally owned and operated, is now under new ownership. They offer more than just bolts and chains. Find off-road recovery gear, welding supplies, shop supplies, PPE, and soon, bearings. Visit Alaska Bolt & Chain on the Spur Highway in Soldotna or call 907-262-7983. Alaska Bolt & Chain, your ultimate destination for quality and service.
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Welcome to Summertime on the Kenai. Saldana Trustworthy Hardware and Fishing has everything you need to get out there on the river. Get your fishing license, rod and reels, lures, bait, waders, all in one stop. Great deals as well on all things lawn care. New summer hours are Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 7 p.m., Saturday, 9 a.m. to 6 p.m., and Sunday, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. 907-262-4655 or SaldanaHardware.com. Fish on!
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Tune into KSRM with a fishing report. Brought to you by Soldotna Trustworthy Hardware and Fishing. Six times daily. 6.50, 7.50 and 8.50 in the morning. And 12.50, 2.20 and 5.20 in the afternoon. The fishing report is on Saturdays too. 8.45 in the morning and 12.45, 2.20 and 5.20 in the afternoon. Know the ins and outs. And all the best fishing holes on KSRM with the fishing report. Brought to you by Soldotna Trustworthy Hardware and Fishing.
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Call or text The Talk of the Kenai now at 907-283-5811. This is KSRM, 920 AM, 92.5 FM, and streaming online at RadioKenai.com.
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