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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbaxfk/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbaxfk/deleted_by_user/	[ "Kind of reminds me of my dog, just a bit fatter.", "That dude will be on /r/LeopardsAteMyFace before long.\n\nStay away from bears, people.", "This is very bad for the bear.", "I agree, people who feed bears should be shot..", "Don't give this asshole views. He's gonna get bears killed.", "I agree. They’ve just taught the bear to equate human contact with delicious food. This will eventually result in the bear being killed by humans because it keeps approaching humans." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnTegK2clQw	/r/videos/comments/qbb5ij/randomly_decided_to_go_onto_newgrounds_after/	[ "Abraham Lincoln coming out of the shadows with a Machete was so fucking smooth dude. S tier animation.", "Love it. God bless Newgrounds. Better times", "Agreed, the build up during the Chuck Norris verse in the original felt so much better", "Ahh Neil Cicierega is amazing." ]	4	videos	Randomly decided to go onto Newgrounds after YEARS, and the timing could not have been better
https://youtu.be/_JDWm1f6-M0	/r/videos/comments/qbb85o/cowboy_bebop_official_teaser_lost_session/	[ "I am severely worried they don't hit the show's tone.", "I'll give it this in it's favour, every time I see something from the live action it makes me rewatch a few eps of the original. The \"exploitation\" aesthetic is a new wrinkle and I appreciate how much they are trying to stand apart from the anime as the original has a far more grounded feel to it.\n\nThat being said, this ain't for me. Call this anything other than Bebop I'd be down but Faye seems more frat boy than mean girl, Spike seems too self serious rather than aloof and Jet, well he's actually pretty alright.\n\nI hope this does find an audience though, I've got the original so I'm sorted, however, if Yoko Kanno's music can find a new vehicle to infect more ears I'll consider this a win, even if I'm not watching.", "I donno man, I think it captured the tone just about as well as a live-action attempt could.", "This \"Scott Pilgrim Vs The World\" vibe could work.. but lets see..", "This feels as technically impressive as it does tonally incorrect.", "I feel like I’m watching a Japanese TV commercial for gum.", "This looks decent but doesn't capture Cowboy Bebop's tone. Spike seems too serious, Faye doesn't seem serious enough. Jet seems okay, at least.\n\nAlso I just can't visualise John Cho as Spike purely because of his age. Spike is 27, but you can clearly tell that Cho is a lot older than that in close-up scenes.\n\nVisually, it looks impressive, I actually like the scene swipe effect they've got going on, though I hope it doesn't get overused to the point where it becomes an eyesore.\n\nI dunno, I'll still end up watching this because it at least looks entertaining, but I'll have to disconnect the fact that it's supposed to be Cowboy Bebop from my mind", "of the 3, I think the dude playing Jet Black does the best.", "Harold as Spike? I don't see it. And Faye should be sexier. \n\nAll in all really, they should recognize how precious Cowboy Bebop is to its fans. The type of fans that are likely going to be very particular about their expectations of a beloved IP. \n\nThis will bomb critically, but people who never really watched the cartoon will probably like it because it's campy and fun.", "this looks like 80s porn acting bad =\\", "Why!!!! Why would you try to redo a masterpiece! \n\nThis bothers me more than it should. I will pretend that it doesn’t exist.", "I'm still going to watch it because I'm a huge Bebop fan but this looks terrible.", "They've distilled cowboy bebop into a funny action show, when bebop is really a dark action show with funny moments.\n\nI feel like they used this weird style because they knew they didn't have the creative talent to make show serious and meaningful like the anime.", "Sulu is a weak ass actor, he’s on par with Chandler Riggs from the Walking Dead.", "I'm excited to give this a try. It isn't going to be like the original, but if I wanted that I would just watch the original. Personally, I find remakes are more enjoyable when they aren't trying to capitalize on trends or point by point remake it. They are taking creative chances, which already makes it more interesting to me.", "You're probably going to end up being spot on. When a true masterpiece gets picked up again it tends to be a shadow of what it was.\n\nThat being said, it would probably be wiser to enjoy the live action effort for its own merits while soaking in the theme of a beloved franchise that it would be to hate it for its differences.", "I hope they don't fuck up like they did with DeathNote", "It is odd that they could easily have used makeup or after-effects to clear up Cho's wrinkes/crows feet. His face looks young, and it would be easy to make him look 20s instead of 40s.", "My hopes are high and ready to be dashed. But so far, as long as they don’t go too overboard with tongue in cheek gags I think it’ll be great. I know whole episodes of bebop are tonally different then others, some dark and sincere, others campy as fuck, so as long as they keep that varying flavor I’m in", "Exactly. I’m keeping my hopes up as all we’ve seen are trailers, and I don’t think dark would make for as good of a clip show. We’ll need to see how true to the series they stay plot wise", "We’ve seen like 5 minutes worth of Netflix commissioned trailer content. I’ll reserve judgement until 2 eps in.\n\nAs far as adaptations go, I think it’s B- this far", "Everyone in the comments seems so negative....\n\nI thought I really vibed with it!", "Yeah, I hope so too. The bickering at the end felt on point, hopefully in the episodes they'll have more time to let the characters breath and just be themselves.", "Does anyone have an example of a live action spinoff of an animated show that was successful? I'm trying to find a reason for why they're doing it. Who wanted this?!\n\nGenuine questions.", "Oh no. Oh no I just realized they're doing the thing where they're gonna make it Millennial Epic. Like someone's gonna say something and Faye's gonna be like, \"No, that's not a thing! Stop saying that like it's a thing!\" Or someone's gonna call Vicious Spike's frenemy. Whoever is hosting Big Shot in this show is gonna do the floss dance. Jet's gonna look down the barrel of the camera and say \"oh shitballs.\" Because that's what Millennial Epic is. You could write jokes, or you could just make a character say shitballs. We're in Hell now.", "Long looooong man", "Calm you tits guys. It's just a trailer, don't assume anything until you completed the season.", "> Why!!!! Why would you try to redo a masterpiece! \n\nBITCH THESE MASSIVE COMPANIES HAVE $$ TO MAKE AND GOD DAMN IT WE WILL SQUEEZE EVERY LAST PENNY OUT OF EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR TO MAKE THAT SWEET SWEET LINE GO UP.", "Why does everyone want this to be the exact same tone as the original? Animation never converts well to live action if you try to do it 1:1. I'm quite glad they're approaching it slightly different. Looks fun to me", "Why do they insist on doing this shit? This is fucking stupid, and I know a lot people of people are eating this up but this looks downright awful. These are *NEVER* good. Ever.", "This ain't it chief", "Cowboy Bebop is my favorite anime...and this looks like shit. Not just any shit, but when your cat takes a shit then your dog eats it, pukes, then eats it again and it stays down this time so your dog shits it out a second time.", "I’m sure they will. The character development makes the series. \n\nSo far we’ve seen the intro credits role, and one heavily stylized teaser. People judging based on these 4 minutes of 0 actual plot alone crack me up", "No. Just fuck no.", "i reference this probably every week with my brother. everytime there's something even remotely long", "The oldest Millennials turn 40 this year. The very youngest finished college 3 years ago.\n\nYou're thinking of Gen Z.", "Hello totally not paid online shill. I am also a hip youngster and I vibed on these totes epic shnozzleberries too. Would you like to record 17 annoying tik toks set to trashy miami electronic beats before taking ourselves and our ridiculous wavy on top and faded on sides haircuts to the movies to watch this amazeballs animeme together?", "Or any, literally any other anime adapted to live action? There has never been a single instance where this has worked.", "different than* :)", "I dunno, I feel like that leads to an uncanny valley look a lot of the time. I'd rather just suspend my disbelief manually than have every closeup scene look super airbrushed", "This is why I don't hate the new Robocop. Still don't think it was very good, but I can't hate it for trying something new with the idea.\n\nVs the latest Nightmare on Elm Street. Why? It was a scene for scene remake of the original.", "Did she say \"dipstick?\"", "That looked fun.", "[ Jump to 01:01 @ Cowboy Bebop \| Official Teaser “Lost Session” \| Netflix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h1m1s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Netflix, Video Popularity: 92.79%, Video Length: [02:41])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h0m56s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "It feels really nice to finally be excited for something. All the negative discourse is surprising to see but to each their own.", "And you just explained the entire point of it. People that never saw the original won't compare it to the original and thus will enjoy or not enjoy the show on its own merits.\n\nIf I wanted to watch the original show again, I would do that. I welcome a fresh take.", "Right?\n\nThe only one that even gave a hint of capturing the essence of the characters was the guy playing Jet.\n\nI'm just... I can't, it's all so wrong it's not even funny. I'm pretending this doesn't exist.\n\nIn all fairness though, I don't think there is an actor alive that would be capable of getting Spikes \"vibe\" down and making it feel right.", "No amount of cool editing can mask how poor all that acting was. It really feels like they leaned hard into the parody angle even in the Tank! opening in order to save the project.", "Because they have no imagination.\n\nIf I wanted to watch the original again, I would watch the original again.", "See you never space cowboy.\n\nI won't be carrying this weight.", "Wtf? \n\nJust because someone likes something you dont, doesnt mean they're a paid shill...", "I think [Ruroni Kenshin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAA1ZDSCWjI) (Samurai X) does a pretty good job with their movies.\n\nThe problem with live-action Bebop is that there is a very fine line between camp and cheese.", "Easy to please low IQ western masses that will eat literally anything both literally and metaphorically. You are what you eat right? Like McDonald's and shit. This is just the McDonald's of entertainment, stuck in the inner city and manned by drunkards and drug addicts that miss half the order and screw up the ingredients on the other half.", "She did. sigh", "The way your comment is written just seems so staged.", "Why didn't they get a younger actor to play Spike? John Cho is too old, unfortunately.", "What the shit. Have they ever actually seen Bebop? They seem to think it’s a lighthearted action comedy. Cho and whoever is playing Faye are also comically bad in this.", "Right. I was about to say at least it looks fun and made with love. Thr original is forever gonna be a classic and I can always go back and watch it. Of this is even just decent im fine with it I like stuff. And with as popular as anime is today people are gonna watch this and than probably check out the anime. And if its bad just throw it to the list of bad adaptations and move on", "I am NOT thinking of Gen Z. This is comedy for people who watched Parks and Rec and made Marvel movies as big as they are. This is for people who were excited for the David Ayer Suicide Squad movie. That's Millennial Epic.", "If this was supposed to give me hope that the series was going to be good......well my god did they fail. The fighting looked like something out of power rangers (with the exception of the staff shots which were pretty good).", "[ichiban, lipstick for men ](https://youtu.be/uOy2lrJqKGY)", "I think (hope) it's just a stylistic choice for the trailer.", "This killed it for me. The acting is atrocious, the fighting looks like beginner stage-fighting, and the camera work is hackey as hell. I was cautiously optimistic when the TANK video came out, but now it's a hard pass.", "There's a fine line when adapting things, 1:1 is boring but radically different usually blows up in their face. If this editing is anything like the proper show, it's certainly not slightly different. And that's not even touching the other clearly not slightly different changes this adaptation has.\n\nThat being said, I think it's more about how most people just didn't want an adaptation at all, that it was fine the way it is; the original production was as perfect as it can get, an adaptation adds nothing.\n\nPersonally, I don't like adaptations, too much gets lost just for the sake of live action when the animation was fine. But I'm willing to give it a fair shot. I'm done with the trailers though, it just doesn't fit.", "Blade of the Immortal!", "That does look decent, maybe some animes lend themselves better to live action. I think the best bet for this type of crossover is to remove the camp almost entirely if possible, it doesn't translate well outside of the anime medium.", "They seem to have completely missed the mark with Faye. It's like they wanted as much distance as possible from the whole hooker con-woman vibe she had in the actual show.", "he does look really old in that teaser", "I don't think the actor for Spike was the best pick. He seems old. And the actress for Faye doesn't really match either.", "sir this is a wendys", "Why watch art you love get raped? It only encourages more of this.", "Didn't see Spike crack a single smile!\n\nAnd now Faye's a Generic Female Badass #4893457 instead of her conniving, scheming self. Awesome. I will never understand why studios think that writing strong women as easy as just 'Man but with snarky quips.'\n\nJet's cool though.", "Try the Kenshin movie series.\n\nHere's one of the [fight scenes](https://youtu.be/dmOjG7w7SLM) which would be one of the hardest thing to make good in a sword fighting manga.", "I think the trailer sucks but I am not drawing any conclusions from it, the directors seem to have nailed the cinematography at least", "Love John Cho but the age is just too much of a stretch for Spike :(", "I can't tell who's worse here. Faye or Jet. Spike was pretty decent at least.", "Did Tommy Wiseau direct this? Because that acting is awful", "Unpopular opinion this has more hope than about anything else I've seen from a live acton besides Kenshin.\n\nThe real respect is going to have to be on the actors to really sell this more than anything else. big weight .", "Everything you mentioned is Gen Z, not millennial. You aren't wrong about the tone, but you missed the mark on the generation. \n \nDon't feel too bad, everything new gets called \"millennial\", so you aren't alone.", "Battle angel alita wasn't bad.", "This comment seems staged.", "For fun. Who wouldn't love to do a live action cowboy bebop?", "Erased is pretty good, anime turned live action and you really can watch either version\n\nEdit: blade of the immortal also, Alita battle angel and jojo(P4) adaptations were fine but not as good as erased or blade", "In what world do you live in where western audiences were pleased by any of the recent live action animes? \n\nNothing comes to mind, but I dont get the feeling that you're interested in actual discussion. Seems like a pretty typical sperg lash out. Go back to your waifu.", "Good news! The original still exists!", "Cowboy Bebop swings between goofy and very contemplative. They've captured the former in live action in quite a bold way that I think might work...if they also nail the former.\n\nYou can't tell me that Ed's antics, or the Wild West Bounty TV Channel, or the banter between the grew isn't often silly/wacky. But then of course you get those moody, slow moments of drifting in space (and bad memories), and Spike's past hanging over him as he tries to play it cool/buoyant. If they have some of that, then they'll have struck the right balance. We can't tell yet from this teaser. \n\nJohn Cho...I love the guy, but his age is showing. I mean, he's a 50 year-old that looks 38 but...Spike should really be in his late-20s. It accounts for his emotional recklessness, but is enough mileage to have made some mistakes and to be reaping the major consequences, but not so much it's weird that he's living a chaotic/drifter life. I don't doubt his commitment to the role, though, so still want to cut him some slack. \n\nI'm not into the improv-sounding banter, either, but I think that's for the trailer. I'm intrigued but cautious... \n\nAlso, if you were adapting Cowboy Bebop, you sort of either stay grounded and basically make \"Blade Runner with martial arts and occasional nods to some of the wackier humour on a shop window TV screen\", or...you lean all the way in and try to capture Animé energy in live action like they have here...guess we'll see if that was the right call.", "> Why!!!! Why would you try to redo a masterpiece!\n\nPeople will watch it, it'll grab attention. End of.", "I literally sang that.", "100%", "Millennial Epic's not a thing. Stop saying that like it's a thing!", "Cowboy Bebop is my favorite anime but this looks like complete shit. Holy fuck.", "I have no idea what I just watched, but I really want to get high and watch more of this.", "This whole thing gave me constant flashbacks to the Wachowski Speed Racer...which I love, but Speed Racer ain't Cowboy Bebop.", "bleach\n\nhaha no Just joking :P it's still a nice experience to watch, kind a of a WTF machine.\n\nOn a side note I have a friend who don't like anime who liked a lot the live adaptation of death note. So I presume there is a place for that kind of adaptations.", "Good lord, over the top much?", "I mentioned it because this trailer gave me such similar vibes, but the Wachowski Sister's Speed Racer is really good. It manages to really nail the camp without going too overboard. The issue is Speed Racer was always campy, Cowboy Bebop was not.", "Yep definitely not watching this one. At least they had the courtesy of putting out this trailer so I didn't get tempted.", "The bleach netflix movie was actually alright, sadly the peak of bleach was the soul society arc and I dont see how the movie could have captured it in its entirety right off the bat.", "That's fair if someone hasn't watched the anime but loved the concept. But at that point I'd be telling them to at least TRY to watch the original dang series.", "Looks wack", "Vicious showing up and saying he’s coming for Spike with the original choir music playing from the chapel duel is by far the best scene they’ve teased so far", "I guess it's time to get my Cowboy Bebop tattoo covered up.", "IT'S MA'AM", "Hey it's pretty good for a fan made production. The fight choreography and line delivery was incredibly stilted, but you can't expect that much from non-professionals. And did anyone notice that guy playing Spike kind of looks like John Cho?", "Ya no thanks", "The Scooby-Doo movie wasn't bad and people seemed to like it. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.", "I don't remember Faye actually ever being in physical combat.\n\nAll 3 of the actors seem like REALLY poor fits. \n\nI have no expectations for this to be watchable, yet I still feel like I'm going to be severely disappointed.", "The only thing that bothers me about him is he seems too young. The actor and John Cho should have their ages swapped.", "Could the actor playing Spike have ANY less charisma? Holy fuck. Yeah this is a big no for me", "\"This isn't exactly like the thing that I've watch ad absurdem and expect to be honored precisely in every way.\"\n\nOkay, watch the anime. The rest of us will enjoy a different and original take on it.", "Agree! I'm here for it! Already doing some goofy cool stuff with a different medium from the original, and I think people are forgetting this is promo material.", "Thanks I hate it.", "OK that's fair, while I more had anime in mind - I have to give it to you if only for the Matt Lillard performance as Shaggy.", "This looks cheesy as hell and I’m 100% here for it", "That looks much better than what I expected tbh.", "People in here gatekeeping Bebop pretty hard but there were more than a couple episodes of silliness. \n\nI think it looks fun, whatever.", "I don't know that flossing is even Gen Z. It's big with literal children, maybe some of the younger teenagers. It's pretty firmly into Generation Alpha territory. Most Millennial's I know don't know how to floss and are certainly not fans.", "Dragonball", "Ghost in Shell was good too.\n\nThe movie stands on it's own. It's only the comparisons that detract, because the anime is so good and iconic.", "Did she really say \"hey nutbuckets\"", "RIP doggo", "Many episodes are a lighthearted action comedy.", "I'm okay with it.\n\nRegardless of Spike's physical age, he should feel old. This is a character that is tired of life. I'm okay with that manifesting itself onscreen.\n\n\"Look at my eyes, Faye. One of them is a fake because I lost it in an accident. Since then, I've been seeing the past in one eye and the present in the other. So, I thought I could only see patches of reality, never the whole picture. I felt like I was watching a dream I could never wake up from. Before I knew it, the dream was over.\"", "Get the fuck over yourself", "Holy fuck the exaggeration. It's not like the anime suddenly stops existing. If the live action one one you can just go damn oh well then move on and watch the anime again.", "As someone who's never seen this series, where do I start?", "> I actually like the scene swipe effect they've got going on, though I hope it doesn't get overused to the point where it becomes an eyesore.\n\nI went back and forth on the screen swipe. Ultimately, i think I like it -- it's somewhat campy, but shows some creativity.\n\nI don't think it's going to be a major part of the show itself. It's fine for a trailer, but trying to keep up that energy for a whole season can't work.", "Yeah, for a trailer I don't think they will be able show the noir vibes but I'm hoping they'll be able to adapt the series well", "Man, I wish John Cho was 15 years younger. I just can’t get convinced of his portrayal of the young, lithe Spike.", "I can't wait till everyone that watches this and loves it that's never seen the anime watch the anime and hate it. Then we can get the opposite thread.", "That banter sounded so fake and cringe, ugh.\n\nEditing was pretty good though.", "Honestly, after seeing how dumb af Netflix's advertising department was with QForce- a show that was drastically different from what the ad showed. Even the crew for QForce were befuddled by how butchered and dumb the ads were. I'm gonna withhold judgment until we can see the final product.", "Absolute trash.", "Sir, this is a ma'am", "It's easier to steal ideas than to come up with new ones. I'm just going to pretend it's not Cowboy Bebop and judge it on its own merits, but I'm not holding my breath.", "Agreed. Wasn't expecting them to sound so close to their English dub VA's though which is cool!", "It was. It's called PR.", "Oh man, the entire story arch is such a roller coaster ride!\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit: the gum commercial", "I don’t like anime overall, but I really like Bebop. If Reddit is any indication then anime fans are incredibly pretentious about their medium and project a bunch of shit onto the works they love. If that’s accurate, a well received live action adaptation is impossible because ‘fans’ will outright reject it on principle. This looked fine to me. It’s a teaser. Nothing about this is making me assume it will be bad. People are commenting on this thread like they just saw the whole season and were tortured for 10 hours", "Why keep consuming shit content?", "I'm a huge Kenshin fan, and I put off those movies because I didn't want to be disappointed. But I finally watched them, and honestly they surpassed my expectations.", "Faye without boobies.\n\nCrap adaptation.", "Well, this looks terrible.", "There's nothing about Spike that screams this guy needs to be 27, they can age the character up and it isn't the end of the world.", "The series is mixed with regards with genre. Some crime drama, some comedy, some horror. Which genre would you prefer to watch first?", "Are you kidding me!? It's so far from accurate. Vicious doesn't \"come after\" Spike. He waits for him. He's a viper, Spike is the dragon.\n\nThey make it out to be this shallow cheesy boogie man who's \"coming to get you\". When really it was Spike's past that drags him back into the serpents lair.", "Wow that did not look very good at all and those guns look like they were airsoft, very plasticky, and that one guy might as well have done the charleston up to spike before punching him, yeesh. Gonna be a yikes from me chief", "Where da dog tho?", "Oh, yeah I didn't even think about how sad it is that this trash is going to make all your beloved merch and images embarrassing now.", "Ditto. I'm hoping so much they don't bring in Ed. That would not translate well to a live action character. I'm honestly glad that they're leaning into the stylized art. The opening credits they did a few weeks back was great. I think this is looking like a solid balance with homage to the original anime -- which is something sentimental to me -- and what you can get with a live action show. I'm confused about people saying the tones are off. Spike is generally a beat-down guy with occasional comedic vibes, which I think is what we're seeing in the teaser. And it's literally a teaser. I'm reserving tone for the actual show. People just love to hate stuff before there's even anything of substance to hate. I thought a live action adaptation would be complete garbage like nearly every other animated to live action show, but this is seeming less and less like a cash grab the more I see. \n\nFirst and foremost, Yoko Kanno is doing the soundtrack. This show could be complete shit and I'd still be happy because we're getting more music from her. The original Japanese voice actors are also doing the Japanese dub, which is awesome that they get to reprise their roles. An actual non-binary actoress is cast as Gren, which is also really cool. I don't know, I've watched Cowboy Bebop dozens of times and I am not hating anything about the teaser or the opening credits. I'm tempering expectations, but I'll reserve judgement for when the show releases.", "People don't like change and Reddit especially likes to hate things before there's anything to even hate. I'll reserve judgement until we actually get to see the show.", "Awesome screen transitions, some great editing, but let down with what feels like bad acting, poor tonal feel and cheap fake looking sets. The characters don't feel right, Faye seems WAYY off the mark.", "That was exhausting. I'll probably pass.", "I have a friend who has Spikes \"vibe\". But he's no actor. :/", "Agreed, it felt like something I'd be impressed by if it was from a Patreon-supported Youtube channel or something, but not from an actual Netflix production.", "Oh no", "Lol there’s only 1 season of the show and a spin-off animated movie. Just start with the show. \n\nIt’s a masterpiece and it’s really a shame they’re doing the whole lazy, uninspired live-action remake cash-grab thing.", "Eww, having not really been into the anime or manga, this doesn't even feel close.", "Some of the Japanese productions have been good. For example check out the live action Space Battleship Yamato (aka Starblazers) from a few years ago. They also did a live action Lupin 3rd that wasn't terrible.", "Haha exactly. That’s a great point, acting like it’s out already so you already know they are prejudging to far", ">They've distilled cowboy bebop into a funny action show, when bebop is really a dark action show with funny moments.\n\nYou've seen two minutes of footage. Hard to get all that in a trailer", "3...2...1 I'll pass.", "This is enough to form an opinion. \n\nAlso, the same could be said about any fan of any medium.", "No it wasn't. The movie is garbage and feels to capture the essence of what the anime tries to convey. Pretty much every tonal and narrative cue is missed and it eventually devolves into another generic, \"evil shadowy cabal/corporation that you were working for actually betrayed you ~~and killed your father~~!!!\" trope we've seen done a million times. It doesn't work at all and, without sounding douchey, to imply it does means you kind missed the point of the original film.", "Anybody asking for a 1 to 1 remake is just asking for disappointment.", ">Because they have no imagination\n\nIronic considering this schlock is just another example in the long list of lazy, unimaginative, unnecessary live-action reboot cash-grabs.", "kewl", "Episode 1 of the anime. Not this", ">Long looooong man\n\nOh man, I was completely unaware. Thank you for that. Haven't laughed that hard in a while.", "Did you just spoil it or something?", "People judging have valid reasons as most anime to live adaptations tend to suck horribly. The same when a book is turned into a movie, with a few exceptions of course.", "Looks great, took the time to rewatch the entire series and I think some people forget the goofy jokey parts of it.", "This trailer felt very self-indulgent and gave me zero idea of what the series will actually be like.", "I was actually excited a few years ago when Keanu Reeves was talking about a Cowboy Bebop live action and being Spike.", "What's really trouble with casting Spike is the physicality. It's a big ask that someone be like 7 feet tall, moves like the human embodiment of a slouch, can act with that sort of playful ennui, and can still pull off roundhouse kick flips. Just a very odd dude intrinsically built from the ground up for animation.", "You people can all be as salty as you want, but this looks fun as heck. just a bunch of salty gatekeeping sudo-elitist.", "unpopular opinion: [Speed Racer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeZoc98nZXQ&ab_channel=MOVIEPREDICTOR) has been the only good live-action spinoff/remake of an anime ever made. It was visually stunning, tonally accurate, and immensely entertaining. \n\nEvery other attempt to make a live-action movie out of an anime has been an embarrassment to the original.", "Perfectly summed up.\n\nThe only thing I like about this trailer was the cinematography / scene transitions. Other than that, the characterization is all wrong, the style is all fucked up, the actors/actress feel like they're in an amateur production with blockbuster budget.\n\nI like John Cho but he absolutely lacks the charisma and personality that Spike exudes throughout the series.\n\nI hate everything this is doing to the legacy of Cowboy Bebop so far. I'd really like to be proven wrong.", "Eh.", "That's a good way to describe it, I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Also had sorta Kill Bill vibes, considering that's also live action largely influenced by bombastic kung fun cinema and anime.\n\nWe really have to ask ourselves, possibly while revisiting CB OG - how seriously do we take it? It's not just \"a cartoon\", it's objectively a pretty dang corny cartoon to watch as an adult. The mature themes and drama-heavy scenes don't negate the cheesy comedic sensibilities and overall childish tone. \n\nIt seems a bit goofy, but think about movies like Crank and Shoot Em Up that are certainly \"adult\" but like a \"snuck into the R-rated movie\" kind of \"adult\".\n\nIt might be ok.", "Jesus fucking christ, no!\n\nThat Faye is embarrassing.", "Blade of the Immortal was really well done.", "Nothing can be worse then Avatar. Nothing.", "I feel like I just watched a trailer where the editors accidentally substituted the older stunt doubles who can’t really act for the main cast.", "Because I'm a fan? I still want to support Watanabe and everything he is involved with. Maybe if it does well they'll make more Bebop content and eventually make something worth watching. Maybe since my expectations are so low now I'll be blown away.", "I didn't know Netflix productions are of high quality on average.. This actually exactly look like just another shitty Netflix production.", "The Editing is a nice touch! a little skeptical they will hit the spike wandering cowboy vibes but cowboy bebop is also a about fun absurdity the crew gets into. Don't know why whenever something is remade or done in live action it seems like the fans are rooting for it to be bad. Don't you want to see it pan out first?", "Wtf did you do Netflix??? This is just wrong.", "They might as well get William Hung to do Spike. At least it might be ironically good.", "All I can say is fucking yuck. Another instance of big studios taking a great piece of animation that people have a lot of love and nostalgia for (not to mention being a masterpiece of its own, perfectly finite) and turning into some corny ass, cut-every-millisecond fight scene garbage that has to try to force itself to be relatable and pointlessly relevant even though everyone knows it’s going to suck. Not to mention the futility of translating and animated show into live action - it’s almost never works well. \n\nThey’re banking off revenue from views out of curiosity, one of which will inevitably be mine, but it just feels like these shows don’t even try to be good because of this. I fucking hate this shit. I wish they would stop tainting great series with this remake trash because It’s almost never good.\n\nEnd rant. Also Spike is not that fucking old", "Eragon was pretty fucking bad tho", "Based on the the colouring, the cuts, and the title card of this, I feel like it’s meant to play up the camp for fun. I hope/doubt this is the tone of the actual show.", "What? He... literally just said that you don't have to consume it. Did you even read the comment you replied to?", "It wasn't as bad as it could have been but those are some enormous shoes to try to fill", "Did you not see the live action Dragon Ball Z?", "This is only enough to form an opinion if your opinion is ‘REEEEEE ANIME’. Which seems to be a popular opinion. People in here really complaining about the ‘acting’ in a promo trailer when they either watched the original with subtitles or English dubs. Anime ‘acting’ sets a low ass bar.", "Cowboy Bebop is one of my favorite pieces of media ever. This trailer makes me feel like I'm watching 1960's Batman when I want to be watching Nolan's Batman.", "I haven't seen it yet, but Alice in Borderland seems to be pretty well received?\n\nI think the more fantastical and far-fetched it is the harder it is for a live adaptation to be good. A series more grounded in reality would probably fare better.\n\nAlso perhaps not what you're thinking but Meteor Garden (a shoujo series) was a live-action adaptation that was very well received.\n\nEdit: just realized you were asking about adaptation from animated show, not direct manga adaptation.", "I just mean in terms of budget. Most large-scale Netflix productions usually still at least have a decent budget to afford passable VFX and acting, but this video looked fanmade.\n\nAnd it's Cowboy Bebop, so there's no way Netflix hasn't put a decent amount of money into this.", "That particular phrasing sets the bar so low you'll need to dig a hole for it.", "Yeah people have selective memories. They already show some classic, serious scenes in the Tank! intro and other released screenshots - It’s pretty clear to me this teaser was done for fun and a particular style. TBD on the series until I actually _see_ the series.", "He would have been a terrible choice I think. It'd have to be someone who's like a mix of Keanu and Chris Pratt to get both the serious side and the fun, carefree side.", "I've never seen bebop and this looks good. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nsucks to be looking at this as a fan of the source material I'm sure.", "Feels like a very good student film trailer project, doesn't feel like it's going to be cowboy bebop.", "I'd argue his entire personality as a reckless nihilist fits best coming from someone who's in their mid-late 20s. Old enough to have been worn down but young enough to still run headlong into dangerous shit, in exactly the same way Jet doesn't.\n\nWhen you have an older person doing it, they're just a moron. When it's someone younger, they're brash and foolhearty.", "I liked the trailer too. It's really depressing to see how those that replied to you are being dicks. \n\nYou just expressed your opinion on the trailer and somehow that makes you a shill? Lmfao are these people pathetic", "I think the first version of The Tick with Patrick Warburton is excellent.", "man, lots of negativity in here.\n\nI for one am pretty hyped about this. I think there's a lot of passion displayed here from the directing and the acting and I love that they're leaning into the campy-ness a bit. I always got a pretty lighthearted vibe from Bebop with moments of sincerity, not the other way around. Also, one of the problems with anime -> live action is trying to 1 to 1 recreate the original, and they're NOT doing that here, which is good. It's a different medium and needs a different treatment. I'm also really excited to see John Cho's interpretation of Spike, I think he'll be amazing in that role.", "I’m hoping the banter was cringe on purpose because of the 70s style of the filters, title card, and cuts.", "To be fair, the creators/Netflix chose these 2 minutes to be representative of what the show is and to get you on board with watching it. It's not like this was a leak.", "Anyone asking for a remake is asking for disappointment", "I second this. The Kenshin movies keep a lot of the tone and I forget I'm watching an adaptation of an Anime. They're very well done and not campy or cheesy like most 'live action' adaptations are.", "Where’s Radical Edward?", "Finally someone will get it right…", "Ironic.", "Because there aren't that many asian actors people would recognize.", "Agreed. His recklessness isn't the folly of youth or anything, it's strongly motivated by his past. That could be anyone old enough to have some baggage", "Every male character is also \"Man but with snarky quips\" these days.", "Oh HAI, Einstein!", "Live action? Noooo", "Netflix ffs stop doing live action anime titles, you failed with Death Note, why would you fuck up Cowboy Bebop", "I'm laughing because it hurts.", "> if Yoko Kanno's music can find a new vehicle to infect more ears I'll consider this a win, even if I'm not watching.\n\nI had the absolute pleasure of seeing her in concert several years ago. It was easily the best show I've ever been to. Love her to pieces and wholeheartedly agree that more people should listen to her stuff.", "It's obviously an homage to Grindhouse cinema. It uses camp and over the top imagery, editing and acting to address fun, insane stories that would never feel right without a devoted fan base severely suspending belief. Anyone not a massive CBB devotee is going to ball at how over the top and disjointed the story is without years of context. I think it is a great way to address a movie that is ultimately a cartoon / comic. \n\nThat being said, I don't like anime. I have never seen or care to see the anime of Cowboy Bebop nor read any, or all of the Manga (if applicable). But, I'll watch the hell out of this movie. It is cheesy, fun, visually stunning and tells a wild story in a wild way. It's almost a bonus to have hoards of devoted fans decrying their over the top cartoon was ruined by an over the top live action telling. There are probably plenty of anime or manga stories that need to have time and care taken in telling a story that was told that way in it's original form. But, I'm not sold that this is one of them.", "Spike should feel young but broken, not old. All of Bebop are broken, that's sort of the point.", "Every week with my girlfriend", "This looks like a fun ride but it’s definitely not Cowboy Bebop. I’ll just pretend it was inspired by it.", "Too bad it bombed hard.\n\nNot a great movie IMO, but better than it's box office #s show.", "But if that’s all they are bringing to the table, that’s bad. Bebop has so much more to offer.", "I'm usually one to give things a chance. Saw the Scar Jo Ghost in the Shell and really loved how they captured the aesthetic and look of it, but they really should have picked a different actress to play the Major. The Kenshin films really did the job well going from anime to live action. As for Bebop, I fully expect cheesy shit, because there was cheesy shit in the anime. The teasers so far have me on board if for nothing else, capturing the look and costumes. It doesn't ruin the anime at all for me.", "agreed. The original is quite possibly the perfect anime. Why try to re-do or change it? There's really no need.", "Agreed. I'm all for criticism, but seems a little premature for now.", "There are entire episodes which are pretty goofy.", "Unfortunately yes, with atrocities such as Dragonball and Avatar to draw parallels from.\n\nI will reserve judgement until I see the thing though.", ">As far as adaptations go, I think it’s B- this far\n\nA B- adaptation of an A+ show would still definitely be worth watching.", "Also a huge Kenshin fan, and I was surprised how well the choreography was done. Some of the best swordfighting I've ever seen in a movie period and I grew up on ronin movies like Lone Wolf and Cub.", "Honestly it's been hilarious watching people like you cry in these comments. \n\nYou are attacking others for simply enjoying the trailer and then calling them shills. \n\nThis comment you made here is just sad though lmfao. Leave this thread before you pop an aneurysm over an live action anime adaptation.", "yeah, it really is too bad. \n\nI wouldn't call it a great movie either, but it's a masterclass in homage to the original and remaking without cheapening. It's obvious that the Wachowski sisters are true fans.", "I'm coming into this as someone who did not watch the anime but so far, I am liking the design they chose. Very excited to see it", ">John Cho...I love the guy, but his age is showing. I mean, he's a 50 year-old that looks 38 but...Spike should really be in his late-20s.\n\nThat's really the least of my worries. John Cho is a decent actor but I feel the characterization is all wrong. He (or whoever wrote the script / directed his role) didn't seem to grasp Spike's apparent carefree attitude that brushes aside most encounters. That stick fight teaser in here had a waaay too serious face and Cho barely ever cracked a smile throughout the teaser. The Vicious tie-in also feel forced and campy (yes I get that it's a teaser). Not to mention Faye seem way too childish and Jet is the only one remotely close to the original character.\n\nI just don't see how this can go well at all...", "cringe", "Me and other people who don’t watch anime", "> When a true masterpiece gets picked up again it tends to be a shadow of what it was.\n\nTis the sad truth. The only exception which I'm eternally grateful for was Futurama.", "Disagree, Daniella was perfect as Faye. Weirdly enough, Cho was the one who I thought was a little off as Spike.", "Faye is a character that is established in the original series to have survived by using her sexual appearance to catch men off guard. I don't think it's misogynistic to want a character portrayed the same way in the live action. \n\nShould it be a deal breaker? Probably not. And I think they would be getting just as much backlash if not more if they tried to make an actress prance around in her original outfit. \n\nBut on its own, the comment isn't some disgusting display of misogyny and shows your own bias.", "Honestly, I really dig this. I understand people loathing the fact it doesn’t match the anime, but spinning it into something fun and quirky of it’s own will probably make it better than if it just tried to emulate the anime. \n\nI’m getting Scott pilgrim vibes and I can’t be mad at it", "I know it's a trailer but hope it doesnt go super campy. Also this reminds me of the Speed Racer live action the way the trailer is cut and moves.", "> If the live action one one you can just go damn oh well then move on and watch the anime again.", ">they can age the character up and it isn't the end of the world.\n\nI mean without wanting to spoil anything, it's not really feasible to age up Spike since this \"lost session\" would have to be in between the series.", "Oh no", "The greatest piece of art in tv history.", "It reminds me of a Nostalgia Critic sketch", "I agree, I prefer to give something a chance first before passing judgement on it, unless it actually does look terrible. (That Chris Pratt movie about sending people in the future to fight aliens.)\n\nI've noticed these past few years of a trend of people online crapping all over a show or movie that hasn't even came out yet.", "i dont like it.....\n\nfaye should be tall and sexy. :(\n\nall us fuckers are saying we don't like this, but we are still gonna watch it prob.", "I just re-watched the series last month.... you're talking out of your ass, or you only remember the 4-5 \"serious\" episodes of the show.\n\nDid you just magically forget how goofy the show was typically? Just because it had action with stakes doesn't mean the show wasn't tongue-in-cheek, ESPECIALLY with a character like Ed.", "Yeah I agree, I wasn't really that excited for this to come out but wow that was a really cool trailer, honestly one of the best ones I have ever seen.", "She might not show up until next season, kinda like how she didn't show up until later episodes.", "that was a bad movie.", "Not sold on the dialog writing of this teaser, but damn the visual work looks impressive this actually could be a good time.", "Seriously, who the he'll wanted this? This is as pointless as any live action animation adaptation that Disney squirts out. The best version of the story already existed in animated form, it had no need to be portrayed this way", "With that guy's brother?", "Not really, It looks pretty good and I'm gonna give it a chance. Ignore the toxic so called purist side.", "Yep, my thoughts exactly. Cho looks too old here unfortunately. But Daniella and Mustafa kill it here. I was hesitant about Daniella but damn, she nails the part I think.", "The acting didn't seem to great but I enjoyed the style choices in the trailer. It gave me heavy Edgar Wright vibes. Enough to get me to check out an ep or two.\n\nI know people will always be upset if it doesn't perfectly nail the original show, but that isn't going away, and i'm always up for new approaches on older media so long as they are confident in their decisions.", "Exactly, it's hard to call oneself a Bebop fan when people like that run rampant like cancer.", "After watching it a few years back, I was enamored with it and was so sad I didnt get to watch it in it's full glory in a theater. I can't even imagine how it must have popped.", "This trailer looks like a fan made short on YouTube that happens to have high production value but insists on using the YouTubers in the video. Is that a bad sideburns wig on Jet?", "like many other comments are saying. technically this trailer is decent. \n\nits just very off the mark tonally. \n\ni would highly recommend watching the anime before this.", "But your whole argument relies on comparing it to either the anime films or the anime itself... which like OP says the movie stands on its own. It's not so good its iconic the way the anime are, but honestly it was likely never going to be... and for a summer sci-fi movie its a fun watch.", "1:24 those attacks do...not seem likely to knock anyone out.", "Well, you have Speedracer, which is kind of considered a hidden gem.", "It's a low bar.", "I thought the Netflix live action version of bleach was pretty not bad. But that's about it.", "This teaser was like a fever dream", "it's actually still really good in 4k and on a big flat screen, albeit not exactly as engrossing as the theatrical experience. \n\nSome ahem chemical enhancements ahem also help the visuals out a bit.", "You need to go back and rewatch the show. It is often more silly than it is serious/contemplative.", "> They've distilled cowboy bebop \n\nIn all fairness, this was a 2-minute clip. Anything needs to be distilled down to a simple formula to fit into two minutes.", "Thank you for speaking the truth.", "I absolutely made that same comment. The last bit I mean", "Jesus christ people. This was never going to be Cowboy Bebop. Just like every other live action anime adaption has been terrible. This actually looks decent. If they do half the things original Bebop did then it'll still be a good show. \n\nIt's also a teaser trailer meaning none of this is likely in the actual show. The banter was spot on, Jet nailed it. Faye was meh and Spike is literally 40 different characters in one at any given time so for Cho to struggle doesn't seem farfetched. Everyones talking about tone, but this is a generic bounty episode done in 2 minutes. Of course we're not gonna get introspective about it. We're gonna get action and lightheartedness. The fact they even tried to show Spokes demons is amazing in its own right. It means they should have tonal changes which is very much the anime.", "Really cementing her as a badass femme fatale", "Which tone? the originals tone is all over the place, main story episodes are pretty dark and brooding, mushroom samba is well, peak Ed, and most of the other standalone episodes fall somewhere in between.", "It's hard to watch live-action animes. They're usually so bad because it's impossible to watch a bunch of people wearing ridiculous outfits and ridiculous hairstyles talk to each other like serious people. I remember seeing Renji in the live-action Bleach and wishing so hard that they would have thought about how embarrassingly bad a raised red pony-tail would look on an actual human person.\n\nOn the other hand, the cast and crew of Cowboy Bebop CLEARLY love the anime and this trailer seems to spin in a way that accepts the fact that its nearly impossible to make anime characters seem like real people.\n\nIf the show is half as entertaining as this trailer, I will be very happy. Even if they don't copy the hardboiled style of the anime.", "This is fuckin weird, right? Like they need to sell us this show? This is like a 90’s kids-movie-style “meet the characters” featurette. Like this stuff isn’t going to be in the show, so they made this content just for this teaser and (hopefully) it doesn’t reflect the actual show. \n\nI dunno, I’m one of the few that’s actually excited about this show, but this weirdo teaser isn’t helping the cause.", "it's my go-to shroom movie. Well, that and WALL-E", "Honestly the live action Japanese Death Note (not Netflix) is better than the anime imo.", "Was very excited when I read the title and clicked the link. Was very sad 4 seconds after clicking the link.", "> I like John Cho but he absolutely lacks the charisma and personality that Spike exudes throughout the series.\n\nHe’s also nearly double the age of the character.", "Throw me in controversial but ITT: seemingly a lot of bots “they ruined my dark moody bebop! I will not be watching! They ruined it” <- paraphrasing but each comment is almost word for word the same. “Boo netflix don’t make a live action anime”\n\nMe, who just recently saw the show in full not even a year ago thinks this looks spectacular and amazing and I can’t wait to see a new spin on the story.", "He did not move like water", "Faye was never badass.... That was the joke", "This is the most conflicted I've ever felt about a live-action remake of one of my favorite shows. It won't be as good as the original but I hope it doesn't suck either", "What is it with Netflix and live-action animes? \n\nThere are a dozen of them and all look trash.", "As someone that grew up watching the show, I enjoyed the fuck out of the Speed Racer movie.", "Yes! Jet is old enough to be their dad, and he acts like it too", "These types of things never bother me. I'm kind of excited to watch this train wreck. It seems entertaining regardless.", "Nope, they chose those 2 minutes to get people excited to watch it, and there are billions of people in the world who aren't Bebop fans already. Teasers are not perfect cross-sections, they are marketing tools.", "Spot on my dude. People that want basically a 1 to 1 adaptation are being obtuse. I haven't liked a single live action adaptation but this one looks to be good on the outside. \n\nI just love how a 27 episode series is compared to a 3minute teaser trailer. Dummies gonna dummy.", "nooooo it looks so bad omfg", "This looks absolutely terrible, and I'm here for it. \n\nThey know exactly what they are, and I'm going to watch this shit out of it.", "I'm sure it hit the tone of one of the episodes, I just can't remember which one", "Tried to get into the anime when I was younger, couldn't get into it. \n\nI know big fans are going to be hit with childhood memories of the anime, and probably forgot how the show actually was. \n\nI like the use of the black bar to represent manga frames tho.", "I suppose so, but it doesn't seem to be the target audience. If it was, I feel like more of these live action adaptations would be far less campy.\n\nSeems like a very small percentage of people that would never watch a show because it's anime, but would love to see it in live action.", "It's more than obvious that this was just a mini episode filmed for promotional material. People are treating this like it's going to be the show for some reason", "/r/howyoudoin", "He looks twice jet's age lol", "nice", "This is due to it being unfortunately in theaters at the same time as the first iron Man. And nothing against speed racer, but that's a hard act to compete with.", "I'm very mixed on this. \n\nCho looks like he's got the physical end of Spike down. He's obviously a bit older than the original but I can live with it.\n\nFaye seems like the weakest link to me. Definitely doesn't give off a femme fatale, or would-be femme fatale vibe at all. \n\nI hope it's less campy than the trailer. Bebop had camp for sure, but it was interspersed with a lot of serious scenes and artistic flair. I'll give it a watch but my expectations are very tempered.", "Wow, it's awful. Can't wait.", "Nah this ain’t it", "When I was kid I'd really like the Ninja Turtles' first movie, but I was kid and was able to swallow every thing with a Ninja Turtle even the NES VIDEO GAME, which was just terribly difficult and so poor...lol\n\nSo I'm not really objectiv ;-).", "I'm willing to suspend disbelief or overlook that detail as long as the core of the character survives. Cho / the script / the acting director simply did not capture the charm or carefree-with-a-past identity that Spike is. It's a gross mis-characterization even moreso than Faye's and Jet's (in that order).", "I'd much rather them say cool beans instead of shitballs. I've never even heard someone say shitballs regularly. Is that really a thing with Gen Z?", "I'm gonna disagree here. The overriding tone of the show is not dark. The subject matter and the general backdrop is, but the main character is a guy who literally cannot take a single thing seriously to save his life, and most of the comedy comes from where that clashes with his teammates who are trying to get a job done. The moody, introspective moments break up that comedy and action to bring everything down to earth and ground the characters, but they absolutely do not carry the tone of the show in general.\n\nThis teaser showed that. He's aloof and (seemingly) carefree, Faye is a tryhard con woman (which we don't get much evidence of yet) with a chip on her shoulder, and Jet just wants to get paid and pick up the next job. In the middle of the action, we get a hint that Spike has demons he's wrestling with, and maybe his demeanor is a way of dealing with (or not dealing with) them.", "Are the people that are mad about how Faye looks the same people that were mad when they changed Lola bunny?", "I don't have strong feelings about the original in any way, seen a couple eps, they were fine. \nI have pretty strong feelings about the visual style presented in those trailers, and I can easily see it going off the rails, which is a concern. \n\n\nThat said, there was a lot of carefully considered choices I appreciated in this, so I think those ready to love it are going to be happy.", "Boooooo you won’t be any Dan good", "Well said", "I'm kind of feeling a Scott Pilgrim vibe. I don't think it's right for Cowboy Bebop, but hell they already made it so I'll give it a shot", "Hahah wow this looks like trash. If this was corridor crew I’d be mildly impressed with the lighting and the camera work but for a Netflix production this is a joke. Also, WHY?!?", "^^Corridor ^^Digital", "Bold of you to assume Boban Marjonović can’t pull off roundhouse kick flips", "What in the hell Ghost in the Shell movie did you watch? It was masterpiece of cherry-picking. It was flat, tone deaf, and missed the whole point of the anime. It was written by an algorithm to maximize profit and directed as such. It got neither.", "I'll give you that one, I watched the 1990 Ninja Turtle on repeat as a child. Though I will say - kids movies have an entirely different standard.", "remakes can be decent, but live action remakes of anime have the lowest chance of pretty much any reboot to ever being even the slightest bit palatable", "Judging just off this trailer, whoever is making it is trying very hard to make it their own and that right there already puts it above every other adaptation. \n\nI'm not sure how you watch this trailer and think lazy. Obvious effort was put into just the teaser. Just look at some of that camera work and the action sequences. It's as close to anime as you can get without going crouching tiger hidden dragon.", "Yeah I don't know what people are talking about. Cowboy Bebop is a comedy first and foremost, it's just set in an action-noir setting.", "I love Cowboy Bebop\n\nI think I'm going to skip this one.", "The Japanese live action Death Note movies were pretty good", "Nothing will ever compare to the nostalgia, even if they did a shot-for-shot remake. Heck, if they did that and matched the whole series tonally, people would complain it wasn't necessary. I'm not a fan of how... Scott Pilgrim it looked, but it's a trailer and not all trailers are exactly indicative of the actual content of the media, especially if it goes meta. I'll give it a fair shake and if I don't enjoy it, then it's just another Netflix fail. They have enough under their belts. Just because it's an IP I formerly enjoyed doesn't mean it deserves crucifixion, but anime fans tend to go hard on the pitchfork mobs.", "People overlook this very simple point, lmao", "And to me, it's a solid 4 minutes.\n\nLike it's not going to be as good as the anime, anybody who's expecting otherwise is delusional. But it can still be it's own, fun experience.", "> Spike seems too serious\n\nHuh? He literally sits down to eat noodles in the middle of a bounty hunt.", "I feel like a lot of people in this thread just watched Ballad of the Fallen Angels and forgot everything else.", "I know, right? Like why would we base our initial opinions of a series based on the content that was chosen to showcase it. Based on this, it looks like they went for campy, stylized action and glossed it over with a b-movie aesthetic to make sure the viewer knew, crystal clear, what they were going for.", "Listen to just the audio and then describe what happens.", "Kings avatar was pretty good", ".....yes", "ya the real show was dark. this seems to try and just be light and humorous. but then again, could you put out a trailer that shows it being dark? i don't know.\n\ni think this might be good at what they were trying to aim for, but i think it'll be a miss for copying what the original was. we'll see. i'm gonna watch it.", "I noticed that the live action cast seems to be your typical band of bros, but in the show they all just kinda tolerated each other.\n\nAlso where the duck is Ed??? It's not the bebop without her. They even bothered to get Ein but not Ed?", "Here's hoping that is not representative of the editing for the show.", "Death Note had really good live-action casting. The plot was maybe not for everyone, but they stayed true to the characters.\n\nDetective Conan had good live-action run too as they kept the elements of a murder mystery drama intact.", "The feature length Japanese movies based on the Death Note manga and anime. They turned out to be much better than I had expected!", "No thanks.", "I had a blast watching Speed Racer. It has this unique feel, as if someone just remade a comic or anime but with real actors.", "r/fuckchichan", "cool trailer, but boy this looks... awful imo. guess we'll wait and see.", "Yep. For every episode like Pierrot Le Fou and Scratch there was another episode like mushroom samba or evil space leftovers. That's what made the show so good. Comedy juxtaposed against serious episodes that tended to catch you off guard.", "Ah yes, I went like: it's the guy from Harold & Kumar, but old.", " ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ I liked it for what it was.", "Just throwing this out there, but the entire thing seemed too crowded. From what I remember of Cowboy Bebop everyone pretty much worked alone and went off on their own. Shots of multiple characters (in the original) often had them on opposite sides of rooms to portray how distant they always kept from each other. Tonally, I think that is the biggest difference and why this seems to \"break\" the characters. Is this just easier to do in animation where with actors and sets you are always trying to fill the screen with as much person as possible?", "too bad Speed Racer is objectively a better movie, as are most films that have the unfortunate position of being released alongside Marvel films.", ">I will never understand why studios think that writing strong women as easy as just 'Man but with snarky quips.'\n\nTo avoid accusations of sexism when they ultimately decide to get her tits out at some point.", "Whoever cast Faye is the bounty", "This looks terrible to me. I will never understand Reddit’s propensity to defend unoriginal cash-grabs like this. \n\nRemakes and extended universe franchises are what sells to the masses nowadays and it’s killing original content.\n\nCan’t wait for the Netflix™️ Spirited Away reboot that will kickstart the live-action Studio Ghibli extended-universe!", "I thought the same about the casting but even with that going for it, the movie felt like a cheesy B list movie. I think the plot was fine but was told poorly in the movie. Its hard to reduce an entire series into a single movie, but thats exactly why it shouldnt be done.", "The Last Airbender was great", "Whyyyyyyyy", "Lots of complaints in this thread. I remember hearing about this and thinking ugh, another dumb live action. But I love Bebop and this looked like fun. Hopefully it holds up!", "Very impressive adaptation!", "I think it's Cho. He's a fine actor, but I've never considered him an action actor - I don't know if Rona cut into his prep time during pre production or it it's just him, but strictly going by what's shown in the trailer, I don't think he sells the physicality of the role very well", "A little less Deadpool and this could be cool.", "It comes across as though they phoned up an amazing studio, and told them what Cowboy Bebop is like over the phone. That's all they had to go on.\n\nI believe a lot of anime doesn't translate one to one into live action, and Cowboy Bebop is a good example. The show is too silly, too over the top, too ridiculous, and too overly styled, for it to work in real life.", "because its the tone of the ip that people love even if they adapt a different story line. if its going to have a different tone and different story might as well make a new ip at that point", "Its a short spinoff trailer. Hold off until the show is released.", "Eh? And her going toe-to-toe with an entire gang of thugs on Callisto was...her just hoping to get abused?", "Yeah, as a stand-alone thing that was actually super creative and cool but as an anime adaption it's just, off.", "Spike definitely looked like he was doing choreographed fighting it didn't look natural at all.", "I'm worried you are right... however, you can't seriously judge it based on this one teaser, can you? Maybe they didn't want to put all the dark stuff in the teaser since the goal of the teaser is to get people who are not familiar with cowboy bebop to give it a try. They already know fans of the anime are going to at least watch a bit of it. \n\n\nAgain, I worry you may be right but I'm not jumping to conclusions based on a few minutes of a targeted teaser trailer.", "No, I won’t. Netflix lost the benefit of the doubt on their adaptations a long time ago.", "honestly looks pretty fun. completely different but I'm not sure if you're ever going to capture what the original had into live action anyway. gonna give it a chance.", "This reminds me of the Manga more than the Anime, which is fine!", ">They've distilled cowboy bebop into a funny action show, when bebop is really a dark action show with funny moments.\n\nI kind of disagree with this summary. The core plot of the show was dark, and a few one-off episodes were darker in tone, but the show regularly changes tone from episode to episode and the majority of episodes were light hearted or tongue in cheek. In both this teaser and the intro we've seen glimpses of Vicious and the hints of Spike's darker past, so I don't see any reason to expect that the live action show will be any different. It makes sense that they'd focus on the main trio's generally light hearted interactions to market the show without going to deep into the (hopefully) darker central plot.", "ironically you and the person youre responding to come off as elitists thinking youre better than the rest of the fandom. just saying", "[ Jump to 01:24 @ Cowboy Bebop \| Official Teaser “Lost Session” \| Netflix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h1m24s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Netflix, Video Popularity: 92.21%, Video Length: [02:41])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h1m19s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "I mean, it is just a trailer, but FFS how do you eat it so hard on a critical element of the core story? It could have been left out of the teaser entirely, and felt completely out of place, almost like fan service - \"hello fanboys, yes ~~Boba Fett~~ Vicious is going to be in this dumb show\". This does not inspire confidence that they are being respectful of the source material, at all.", "A lot of people are disagreeing with you. What I think a lot of people miss, is that the bad parts of Ghost in the Shell had nothing to do with changing from anime to live action.\n\nIt had a poor script, a poor plot, bad acting, and a very weird (almost racist) backstory for the main character. The transition from anime to live action was fine. I even liked Batou's eyes, and that people just spoke whatever language they wanted.", "Where's Edward?", "Comes off waaay campier than I was expecting. The only good bit was the editing and effects. If this is what the show will be like, I'm not expecting to like it.", "0:54 TFW you realize you forgot that Boston Lobster in the fridge from 4 years back\n\nEdit: \n\nThis looks incredible and you can tell the actors actually care. \n\nYes, Faye can be an over serious annoyance. \n\nYes, Jet is usually overbearing and wants things done in an efficient/correct way. \n\nYes, Spike is sulky and can be serious or a jokester when faced with tough situations. \n\nBebop is not hyper serious; it’s normally a jovially “serious” set of 30 minute episodes that play in between a much more serious narrative focused on Spike. \n\nMaybe give the series another watch on Hulu? This adaption looks like it’s gonna slap in the same way FFVIIR did- a work of love brought to life by actors who care about the characters they portray.", "Should pop up around episode two if they're trying to be loyal to the source material, which it does not look like they are.", "Death Note. Not Netflix adaptation but the Japanese movies.", "Since Kenshin was already mentioned...\n\nHonestly, if Netflix fluffed the budget, Full Metal Alchemist would have been fine. The start of the movie is good and it paces nicely, though they cut a lot out to fit the run time.\n\nUnfortunately, the budget ran out at the end and totally ruins it.\n\nThe opening chase and fight was soooo good.", "The back story of the Major ruined it for me, then they Hollywooded the shit out of the plot and characters. 6/10 if I knew nothing about the original anime, 3/10 because I do.", "What movie ?", "How many different times in the show did she act tough and fail?", "I do this for work and I'll tell you that you only notice it when it's done over the top. I've cleaned wrinkles and pimples and freckles off off hundreds of scenes of actors and you almost certainly never noticed.", "Like, you're the guy in the commercial?", "Have you never seen Bill and Ted?", "Man I love John Cho but holy fuck he's so...flat in this. Like he's trying to be OVERLY serious. His face barely moves.\n\nIt's so weird that they nail so many things, but it seems to lack the...soul of Cowboy Bebop.\n\nAlso the banter feels weird. It's like the banter between the Guardians in the Guardians of the Galaxy game coming out. It feels way too forced. Again, lacking authenticity/soul.\n\nI dunno, I hope I'm wrong but my expectations are pretty low now.", "My problem is only really with batou’s eyes. He should have started with them rather been given to him because of an incident on the job. He was Batou of the Sleepless Eyes. The movie kind of took that away from him.", "No thank you", "I have a Golden Compass for you.", "Oh no.", "Oh dear...", "They just kind of turned her into Ramona Flowers from Scott Pilgrim.\n\nShe's just giving off the stereotypical \"quirky girl\" vibe.", "If they're trying to tackle this from a more action-oriented angle, the bar needs to be raised, significantly. Some of Spike's animations were lifted directly from footage of Bruce Lee. This Walker Texas Ranger tier chop-socky kung fu ain't gonna cut it.", "I don't know about this....The acting leaves a lot to be desired and the tone seems off.", "Scott Pilgrim movie vibes. Also is that Brian Fantana fighting?", "Jet is 7 years older than Spike...", "the live action ruruni kenshin stuff would like a word, some scenes were direct shot for shot from the anime, it was fantastic", "I like John Cho but it was a bad choice. His face barely moves in this...", "Does it come with a Dragonball?", "Mmmm. I don't know. The first four seasons + the movies kinda... wait.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nNo, I'm looking at it through rose couloured goggles. If you say the quality is similar then I believe you.", "No, my friend, it was not.", "this is pretty spot on", "Hint: Outside reddit it has mostly positive feedback (read the youtube comments). I'm guessing this will be really succesful but not in a muh artsy way reddit expects.", "You're entitled to your opinion. I have some pretty bad movies that I still like, that doesn't make them good though.", "WHERE IS ED AND EIN", "this might be the cringest thing ive seen", "No way this will be a train-wreck, right?", "I think this trailer looks cool as hell, I'm just not sure why it has to be Cowboy Bebop and not some new thing with the tone and dynamic visuals we're seeing here.", "look how they massacred my boy", "Andrew Koji would have been decent as Spike imo.", "This is exactly what I was thinking. Like, it looks spectacular and I'd love to watch something like this. But given that it's a live-action remake of Cowboy mothafuckin Bebop well...it just looks disappointing. Bad way to go with it, frankly", "Not only does he look old af in the closeups he isn’t tall enough either. Spike is supposed to be 6’1” and John Cho is 5’10”. Spike’s whole deal is he’s tall and wiry and Cho just has an average build.", "he is out of line, but he is right.", "mmm, I don't really count Japanese live-action movies in the same category. Don't get me wrong, they might be good, but they're not the same as Hollywood/American high-budget remakes. Just the fact that they are Japanese affords them a lot more leniency in terms of dialogue and cinematography alone.\n\nAlso, I'm not a fan of the anime (but I loved the movies), so that might have something to do with it.", "Probably only remembers Ballad of Fallen Angels, Jupiter Jazz and Real Folk Blues. \n\nYeah, those are the “spike” stories and 5 out of 26 total episodes. \n\nCowboy Bebop is plenty goofy/comfy “all’s well that ends well” as it is serious/noir “I can’t outrun my past.”\n\nAs for me, I’m excited to see this series and give it a fair shot.", "Just imagine those hands hitting you.", "This feels like they asked the question, “do you like cowboy bebop? What about scott pilgrim vs the world? Well…”", "God. I remember driving down to Santa Cruz to see that movie with a date. And we spent more time getting high and bashing the shit out of the movie than we did watching it.", "Yeah cuz they were were forgettable. Watched it 20 years ago and that scene at the ending of Ballad of the Fallen Angels is the one burned into my memory. I can't even remember what happened in the other episodes other than travel somewhere >shoot a bunch of things> ironic happy ending> BAM", "ah your original comment just mentioned live action not Hollywood live action agree there.", "Lots of people looking to hate this show ASAP.", "I think he means that animated one with all the tall blue people forest creatures. Didn't realize it was based on a book. Couldn't be anything else.", "Andrew Koji sends his regards", "Spike's smooth, suave, nonchalant attitude is completely lost with John Cho, unfortunately. Not to mention he is clearly far too old to resemble Spike's character, and in the few scenes where he actually is fighting, it's stiff and slow. Spike is fast and fluid. Total miss on casting Spike. He really is the anchor of the show. Can't see how this will even come close without a good Spike. Why not just more animated episodes? Or how about just leaving it alone and not trying to milk a few extra bucks out of a masterpiece 20 years later.", "You're right, it was more implied than expressed that I was referring more to mainstream remakes than all live-action retellings in general.", "Yea, Jet is like late 30s while spike is like 28/29 and they both acted their age perfectly in the original IMO.\n\nGonna feel different with this show for sure.", ">your whole argument relies on comparing it to either the anime films or the anime itself.\n\nwhich is a perfectly valid comparison considering the movie in question would never have existed without the anime and it was created to be like the anime. This ~~movie~~ show isn't meant to be viewed entirely separately. There wasn't a giant audience of people who never saw the anime shouting about how they want a live action version of it. It was always just the people who loved the anime version who were asking for a live action adaptation. You're free to think it was fun, but make no mistake this ~~movie~~ show was always supposed to stand up to the anime version and it just doesn't, which is what we're all talking about here.", "This trailer is useless for getting a real read on the tone because of how hard they went on the editing trickery. It's like a smash-cut sequence of Marvel gags. I need to see an actual episode to get a real feel for it.", "It's a trailer. You're not watching the entire show. It's just a quick snippet to grab peoples attention and get them to watch the actual show.", "The acting just didn't seem good IMO.\n\nFelt about 3/4's the way to the rich dudes from Squid Games...", "There is no movie in Ba Sing Se", "Yep the actor is nearly double the character’s age…what were they thinking? Is Cho like the only asian they could find?", "Adrien Brody is my fan cast. He has the height, the shoulders, “cool” relaxed demeanor. Idk 🤷‍♂️", "Yea, felt straight out of Black Dynamite to me.", "Definitely Faye", "9 years \nSpike was born 2044, Jet 2035 \nJet's build and baldness makes him look older", "The show definitely has some wacky episodes like mushroom samba and cowboy funk", "Edward and Ein are their own brand of silliness though. With few exceptions (the obvious being the bounty tv show and the actual Cowboy episode), the original Cowboy Bebop didn't have too much absurdity. A specific situation might be crazy, like the episode about Mad Pierrot, but a whole episode dedicated to silliness and absurdity were the exception, not the rule", "Looks like shit.", "Why? Because we are willing to give the show a chance and not crapping all over when it hasn't even came out? Nah that doesn't sound elitists at all. It's called having an open mind. Just saying...", "I wouldn't say she failed because of that. She failed cause she was rash and never thought things out. Spike is the same in many ways but is actually capable of planning ahead where Faye just sorta winged it and hedged her luck.", "You calling people who don't like the same things you do 'sudo-elitist' (btw it's 'pseudo') is gatekeeping.", "Camp, is the word I believe you're looking for.", "Nah.", "Spike is the biggest problem here. Totally miscast with John Cho. Too short, too old, and doesn’t understand the character at all it seems.", "no, because youre looking down on the test of the fan base", "God, why must Netflix bastardize everything with terrible, live action remakes?", "Except Ed. She's broken for about 2 minutes then it's right back to sunshine for her!", "Wow, I'm hoping for the best but this confirms my worst fears.\n\nJet too small. Spike too old. Faye too plain. We have yet to see Ed.", "Was a bit weird seeing Spike having a PTSD moment of Vicious", "Last week on r/videos there was a post about a band playing the theme song. I never heard of Cowboy Bebop before and searched it up, now there is this. I’m starting to think that marketing teams are behind the front page", ">I've never even heard someone say shitballs regularly. Is that really a thing with Gen Z?\n\nIt's what boomers/older Gen X think* Gen Z says all the time while calling them and anyone younger than they are Millennials.", "Good thing they used that 70s film filter in the intro, cause OMG did that look like a 70s chop-socky film. And Fay? Just, no.", "I think this teaser was not meant to be fully indicative of the show and was mostly done for fun.", "The acting seems real bad", "Yes it was", "Slow down, Alanis. I don’t think you know what that word means.", "Oh fuck, there’s so much noise here about anime not translating to live action, but look at what Nolan did. It can be done, granted the challenge steeper", "You mean the one group of fans bashing the show before it has even came out. Yeah that's not being elitists at all kid just point out a fact they are being toxic judging something that they haven't even seen.", "Which is the point… Faye acts cool and tough as shit but she’s really not.", "as a bebop.... anything, this is wrong in so many ways. The tone, the characters, the humor... everything about Faye. If they had different costumes I would never think this had anything to do with Bebop\n\nBut honestly, as its own thing it might be fun. I'm down for a sci-fi action story that doesn't take itself too seriously. If they don't lay on the comedy too thick ^(cough Faye cough) and have a good story it could be fun. But my hopes are very low", "Here for all the complaints", "Is this a spoof?", "That's seemed better than I thought it would. I guess time will tell if it hits any of the other nuances that made the show great.", "Ain’t no fucking way", "Seriously. The cinematography and editing tricks are cute but I got exhausted of them a minute in.\n\nMeanwhile the dialogue just feels...off. Spike's laconic, almost deadpan delivery just isn't there. And Faye calling people dipsticks was weird.", "Gintama's is supposed to be good.", "I feel like with any “interesting casting” of a movie, you have a few minutes of “do I like this person and do I even notice him / her playing the character or is it natural and organic”.\n\nI’ll suspend judgement until seeing him for a bit. But, I’m leaning towards a “maybe not the best choice”. \n\nI think it’s all in Spike’s face, the uncaring yet suave indifference that can transition quickly to dangerous seriousness. I just see John Cho, the comic actor, still. 78% of the way there, though missing…. Something…", "It reminded me of what DC did with their Suicide Squad movie. By that I mean, just sort of copy Guardians of the Galaxy. \n\n \n\nIt could still be good though, idk. I don't want to condemn something without seeing it.", "Imagine caring about age or exact looks of characters in an adaptation. I'd rather the right person be picked for it than to discriminate people solely based on age. Was the acting the issue? No? Just visually the age?\n\nUgh. Ignorance.", "\"Why would you try to redo a masterpiece!\"\n\nBecause they think it will make them money.", "Velma from the live actions was good too.", "The anime is like watching the things it's based off of: Film noir, spaghetti westerns, and Hong Kong gun-fu action flicks.\n\nIt's schlocky as hell but kind of takes itself seriously most of the time...often SO seriously it becomes almost funny in the process. This just felt a little more...almost slapstick in the pacing and tone.\n\nI want to give it a try, but I am not expecting much.", "Maybe or maybe not; but a slight tap on the back shouldn't generally incapacitate a seasoned fighter. Either have her be a force to be reckoned with, or not. If they want her to be a charlatan, don't depict her as being able to incapacitate seasoned fighter with a slight tap on the back.", "People like you are what's wrong with entertainment. \n\n>I have never seen or care to see the anime of Cowboy Bebop[...]\n>It's almost a bonus to have hoards of devoted fans decrying their over the top cartoon was ruined by an over the top live action telling.\n\nYou're just a piece of shit troll.", "Oh boy", "Why did they pick a 50 year old to play Spike?", "The casting director should have gotten a bonus for that movie.", "Looks great, for a live action version of an anime. It looks about as close as you can get to the source material and has style in spades.", "I love John Cho. If it was not for him we would not have the word \"milf\"", "Judging from the comments I’m the only one here who digs this. maybe it was made specifically for me lol", "Its like they took random people from a anime convention's cosplay and gave them a budget. \n\nI'll still give it a chance, but I don't have much hope that I'll like it. If others do, more power to them.", "The Kenshin live action films from 2012-2014 are fantastic. This is the first I've heard they are doing 2 more movies. Cool.", "More than anything it was hurt by it’s run time. 2:15 was just way too long for that movie in general, but for a PG movie with bright flashy colors that should attract a family audience it was way too much. It needed to be at least 30 minutes shorter.", "Money. Which also explains why it looks like a knock off Avengers.\n\nIdk man everyone seems so hyped for this already but it seems WAY off tone wise. Sure it's polished cuz it has Nexflix money but Cowboy Bebop isn't about the polish it's about the atmosphere it creates. \n\nIMO that's why so many Netflix adaptations fail. They throw a bunch of money at it but it has no soul. Soul is why these animes are classics, people love them DISPITE a lack of polish because the core story and characters are so amazing.", "I defend what I think looks good. Netflix isn't getting any more money out of me than I was already going to pay to watch this. Hell I haven't watched any of the other live action animes they have come out with b/c they looked like garbage and FMA is one of my all time favorites. I dont understand how you can look at this trailer and think unoriginal. The source is unoriginal cause its a remake, but the trailer certainly isn't. \n\nIf you're that strongly against them then just don't watch them. It's why I'll never watch the FMA one. The Death note one. Or any of the others they came out with. But this one actually has my interest.", "Spike was based on [this character](https://www.google.com/search?q=Shunsaku+Kud%C5%8D+in+Tantei+Monogatari&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiDuKvbg9fzAhX7IMUKHSZ5AJwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Shunsaku+Kud%C5%8D+in+Tantei+Monogatari&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJ1AAWABgirIHaABwAHgAgAFgiAFgkgEBMZgBAKoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=TQRvYcPdK_vBlAam8oHgCQ&bih=922&biw=1920&client=firefox-b-d#imgrc=M5veokFk08d-mM), looks about right to me.", "Netflix Lupin the 3rd and Fujiko is chubby and dresses like a nun. Her ability is getting targets to do her bidding by praying for them.", "> Adrien Brody\n\nYeah no ill pass on the white guy, spike's whole aesthetic is inspired by Yusaku Matsuda.", "Yeah honestly, it doesn’t look rewatchable, but worth a run through", "You're doing the REEEE thing and being an overly passionate anti fanboy while mocking people for doing the same..", "There's another person in the comment thread above your comment who said\n\n>I have never seen or care to see the anime of Cowboy Bebop[...] But, I'll watch the hell out of this movie.[...] It's almost a bonus to have hoards of devoted fans decrying their over the top cartoon was ruined by an over the top live action telling.\n\nConsider these people when you wonder Why do they insist on doing this shit?", "That’s what trailers are for. To convey the tone and general feel of the show. It might turn out to be amazing but this doesn’t inspire much confidence. Netflix has a piss poor track record with shows like this.", "Not doing.... They released the last 2 films this year in June/July ish. They're as good as the first three", "The casting is so bad and I love John Cho. Spike should be Andrew Koji. Tonally the whole thing feels off", "Yeah people seem to be into the idea that's this will be campy, the og wasn't for the most part. And when it was it's was way more subtle than what was in this trailer...", "Did you even watch the anime? Or know the story?", "No, but it's what older generations THINK Gen Z sounds like, while incorrectly calling them Millennials.", "What the fuck are you talking about lmao, Spike still being a confused younger man struggling to face his past is the entire central plot of the show.\n\nMaybe actually try and read at least a few sentences about something before accusing other people of ignorance.", "I’m being an anti-fanboy because I’m looking forward to a live action adaptation of a show I love? What does that even mean? ‘You called out the gatekeeping, cringey anime fans, so you’re the same as them’ is a weird take but ok.", "I'll currently rewatching. There's a bit of a dip in quality for sure but the spirit remains largely the same with some bangers after the renewal as well.", "i worked in an embroidery shop that did the race suits for the speed racer premiere, john goodman and emile hersch wore the jackets I embroidered!", "I think that's just her way of dealing with the abandonment. She's just as lonely as the rest, the only difference being that she has a happy ending (or at least the possibility of one).", "I'm glad someone else shares this thought. That was always my argument when remakes come up. I personally never watched the original and this remake looks fun to me and might convince me to watch the original.", "Never go full anime.", "This looks so shitty, I pray they decide to just never release it…", "One thing to note is that they're mostly movie adaptations of animes with many seasons. In the case of Deathnote, it not only felt wrong but the development of the characters wasn't there.", "it's a teaser and everyone knows that teasers/trailers are NOT made by the people who shot the film/show.", "The anime obviously wasn't woke/diverse enough and was a source of toxic masculinity that needed to be sterilized.", "That's so f'en cool!", "Anime:\n\n* Ruroni Kenshin was respectful of the source material and managed to turn some long arcs into lovely movies. \n* Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (Diamond is Unbreakable) was handled pretty solidly. \n* Alita Battle Angel: Your mileage may vary on this one. But I thought it was decent. \n* Ghost in the Shell: HEAR ME OUT. Yes it varies wildly from the Mamoru Oshii 1995 film, but so does SAC. So does Arise. So does SAC_2045. So did the manga they were all based on. I think it handled the overall theme of the boundaries of humanity and machine tolerably, and the visuals and music were gorgeous. \n* I have heard Assassination Classroom and Kakegurui were handled well but cannot speak to either. \n* Space Pirate Captain Harlock: A love letter to Matsumoto's infamous space pirate. \n* Space Battleship Yamato: Visually impressive and with a solid cast. While it did make a couple odd changes in plot, those mostly served to help compress a many-episode season into a 90 minute film reasonably well. \n\n\n\nWestern Animation: \n\n* Avatar the La HAHAHAHA just kidding. \n* The Scooby-Doo movies were mostly OK. The first one at least. \n* Masters of the Universe: OK I like it. It's corny as hell but it's fun. Sue me. \n\n\nGenuinely struggling to think of more western cartoon adaptations that did not suck. better or worse there aren't many that get done at all. (Not counting comic book adaptations that also had cartoons, btw)", "> Nothing.\n\nDeath Note", "You don't understand see. Everyone wants to be angry about it. They don't want it to be fun or dark or cerebral or anything bc \"it's their favorite anime\". Which most likely means one of three they watched on adult swim. It will be what it is and I'm excited to see the direction because it was good enough to deserve larger market attention.", "Your first paragraph is exactly why anime shouldn't be adapted. It's the only medium that manages to pull off that massive tone shift. Having the goofy bounty hunters show in an episode that later turns dark and somber is natural for the medium and falls flat for live action as they just don't follow the same rules.\n\nIt's going to be tough for sure", "Looks like Spike at least has his Jericho.", "I feel like I'm watching a \"cancelled\" tv series made up by woke writers. This looks terrible.", "As someone who has never watched the original series (I know I need to, I will), this teaser has me sold. Whoever is directing clearly has a pretty cool style, but I get if the tone isn't what most people are looking for in a Cowboy Beebop series. But again I wouldn't know.", "I agree on your point about silly moments but I always felt those were to contrast/ balance the generally dark tone of the show. The show ITSELF is not at all silly. The main arc is a self-destructive revenge mission. The few times there is levity is from outside influences or when Spike is distracted from his main mission and his burden is temporary lifted.\nSpike is suave but brooding, he doesn't put on a happy face for the team at all and is typically the one complaining the most.", "Huh, I guess I've missed that one then.", "Like 1/3 of the original were episodes that were plain silly fun with no dark or serious tones whatsoever.", "Spike never smiled. Not once. That's a fuckin problem if you're trying to emulate the original characters. In fact, it's a massive level of problem. I think this is a mis-cast role\n\nEdit: fucks sake people I'm talking about trailer Spike! The context makes it obvious if you read sentence 3", "People definitely need to give more asian actors a chance, Simu Liu for example was a big one when most didnt even know who he was outside of the news of \"that asian guy being cast into a marvel lead\" and the small Kim's Convenience Fandom.", "This is a fan made joke right? Like the real thing will be good?", "Quit watching to see if you like it. Let them all die on arrival. Enough of you testing the waters to experience the train wreck signal success for them. Like all the dumb shit out there, quit looking.", "Ooh I forgot Yamato and Harlock in my list, thank you for reminding me.\n\nAnd seeing as how Star Blazers was my intro into anime at all I am embarrassed.", "Yeah, my thought was that; this looks like a really good 'web series'", "Yeah, agreed man. Hit the nail on the head.", "The silliness from that comes from being dumb, not sly", "I have nothing against individuals who are into stuff like this. My issue is that it sells so well, it disincentivizes the creation of quality original works. \n\nFor an example of what I’m talking about, look at the most successful films of recent years. How many are part of a massive franchise or are reboots/remakes. Now how many are 100% original works of art?\n\nI want quality media but I think studios know that they can just coast off of the nostalgia of existing IP’s. I don’t even have an issue with revisiting universes like this when there’s a good reason. See Blade Runner 2049. \n\nWhat I dislike is: “ATLA… but live action!” and “Dragon Ball… but live action!” Like Bruh, if we insist on wringing out every last cent from a franchise at least use a medium that makes sense. Live action anime adaptations do not make sense in 99.99% of cases and it holds true especially with something as perfectly suited to the medium as Cowboy Bebop.", "Haven’t they learned from Ghost in the Shell?", "It really moves to the rhythm of jazz... a real Cosmic Gumbo.\n\nBut seriously, that is a good point. The series features ALL sorts of different motifs and inspirations throughout its run. Neo-Noir, Classic Noir, Blaxplotation, Hard Sci-Fi, Ecoterrorism, Wacky Crazy doesn't make sense bullshit.\n\nThis is going to be interesting to watch at least. It doesn't look like anything I've really seen before, visually, and being based in something that I'm familiar with will allow me to connect with the material more than if it were a standalone project.\n\nThis existing does not detract from the greatness that is the original animated series. And fans of that should at least be grateful that this show will introduce a WIDE NEW AUDIENCE to both the story that is Bebop and the musical talents that belong to Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts.\n\nGiddy Up.", "It's okay. You don't have to reply to everything, my dude. \n\nYou're a bit too invested in this lol \n\nDon't be bitter, be better!", "Eesh. Looks like crap. 💩", "If Taika Waititi directed this, it would have completely hit all the marks. Unfortunately, it's another shitty live-action adaptation.", "Music is fantastic and action is not good.\nIt's a boring movie totally", "Was going to say this looks like it was produced by College Humor.", "No one in here is gatekeeping, you moron. Just saying something doesn't look like it'll be as good as the source isn't fucking gatekeeping.", "Now that’s irony", "Oh no…\n\nEDIT: also …..WHERE’S ED???", "Full metal alchemist wants a word with you", "God what a classic.", "quote to me the people who gatekeep in here and the gatekeeping like things they said.", "Okay, so here is my issue with what we have seen of this show so far. They are way too much \"fan service\" like stuff. \"Member the cute dog?\" \"Member the banter?\" \"Member the ship?\" I don't want a show that does that. No. one does. People who are not fans will have no idea about any of it and people who are fans are not going to like it. \n\nPersonally, I like adaptations to take the feel, theme and vibe of a piece of material and rework it to fit the format. Like how Blade Runner the movie has very little in common, plot wise, with the source material, \"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,\" but they get the vibes and tone and feel correct. I have very little tolerance for \"fan service\" unless it is an integral part of the plot and feels organic rather than ham-fisted. Give me a dark/funny/cool show with characters that get the feel and vibe of the original, but in a way that makes sense for live action. \n\nAs an example, I really don't care if the Spike character looks like the animated character, I only care that he feels right for live action. I don't care if they introduce characters the same way as the show, or if their back stories are the same as long as the new stuff is tonally correct.", "[ Jump to 00:54 @ Cowboy Bebop \| Official Teaser “Lost Session” \| Netflix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h0m54s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Netflix, Video Popularity: 91.90%, Video Length: [02:41])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0&t=0h0m49s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "There are a couple of things that I disagree with you on here, or I don't think you're considering. \n\nThis isn't a movie being released in theaters worldwide looking for massive box office numbers and wide appeal. They're not looking for my dad to get interested enough to buy a ticket. They're not marketing it as such in any way. This isn't Dune. This is a pretty blatant grab at the fanbase of a pre-existing IP on a streaming service trying to get that fanbase excited for it. And if it's got good enough word of mouth it might crossover to the mainstream. No different than Death Note or half a dozen other projects that streaming services have put out there targeted towards a fanbase. \n\nTheir math is different than box office numbers. Several, smaller but dedicated, fanbases are just as valuable to them as the mainstream audiences watching hits like Stranger Things.\n\nAt the end of the day, the number of people who aren't already aware of Cowboy Bebop who are even going to watch this teaser is pretty small unless Netflix runs it on their front banner and people are forgot where they just sat their remote.", "This is how I am going into this adaptation and No True Scotsman would do otherwise:\n\n1.) All truly great art is mimicked and remade. See every production of a popular stage play, modern art, sequels, etc. For example, I own a hardcover copy of \"William Shakespeare's Star Wars\".\n\n2.) This is no different to a theater troupe producing their own interpretation of a play. This will not be 100% to the original, nor should it. However, by the choices that they make we can hope to learn something new about the story that we never did before.\n\n3.) Shut up and enjoy it. If you told me in 2000 that there would be a MAJOR LIVE ACTION production of Cowboy Bebop, I would have told you, \"I'm 10 mister, please let me go back to my mom\".", "I do agree and I won't be watching anything until the reviews are out, I have a similar stance on pre-ordered games.", "Okay can I say as someone who has never seen the original series, this looks like a blast to me. I love the style and the use of the cutaway lines, and it just seems fun. I don't know what other word to use.\n\nYou'll always have the original, no one can take that away. Maybe this'll be its own cool thing. It is Cowboy Bebop: Lost Sessions after all, not straight Cowboy Bebop.", "This looks like it was made by a YouTube enthusiast.", "That's a great way to put it.", "As much as anyone could, yeah I think that's a pick that could pull it off", "Oh no.....\n\nPlease please please don't do it. You've still got enough altitude! Pull the ejection lever!", "... I have, and Keanu in that is nowhere near Spike", "Foundation seems to be slowly crawling into this list", "🎶no thanks, no thanks, no thanks, no thay-haaaannks 🎶", "I liked bleach. \n\nThe composition of scenes was amazing. Very anime", "I have a dumb question and you can downvote me to the oblivion if you wish, but why people watch this stuff? Like who are you people? I can't imagine anyone in my circle where I would say, hey let's watch this overly stylized unfunny cringe fest and they be like \"hell yeah!\". I know there are anime fans or whatever, but sure they are just a minority so making something like this isn't a good idea to ponder to few people, no? Like who did they make it for?", "Don't be naive.", "True, but I think Spike might be white? I know anime brings it to a funny place with the drawing style and it's often useless to try to pin down. It's just that Cowboy Andy is an exact copy of the character are but blonde, which always made me assume Spike is a white guy.", "No, I get you and honestly agree wholeheartedly. I was just trying to get you to see that me, a skeptic of these remakes, is actually excited they might get it right. \n\nHell man, I haven't even watched the last stars wars film cause Disney was fucking it hard with the first 2 installments. And technically that's not a remake it's just a revist to the IP. I'll always want my favorite books and shows remade, but I know they don't ever serve them justice. But if they get close to being their own thing and just not a terrible copy then I'm all good with it.", "That's definitely a big part, I wouldn't say that's the ONLY reason lol", "I mean you realize a show like Cowboy Bebop has numerous different tones in the span of back-to-back episodes, right? And not only did they tackle the goofy side of the show here, but they ALSO showed the serious side with Spike's flashback of Vicious.", "Awww did your little feelings get hurt? Poor guy. I'm sure you're just an asshole online and not in real life.", "Yes, it's one of the few anime I enjoyed.", "As someone who never watched any episodes of the show, speed racer is one of my favorite movies.", "You don't have to wait for the train to smash into the canyon floor to know that it's going to barrel off of the unfinished tracks and go over the cliff.", "It feels like a fan film from youtube...", "This looks especially bad.", "So I watched cowboy bebop for the first time a month ago. I didn’t make it through the whole series, I might come back but I watched about half of it. Honestly, this looks pretty good to me. Everyone commenting on tone but it felt to me like Bebop was more action comedy but with heavy plots. So all the short interactions between the main characters were generally snarky or silly, but when the main characters interacted with plot specific characters is when the show tonally shifted.", "I think people are just being sceptical because of a long, long history of very bad anime to life action adaptations.\n\nBut this looks like it could actually get close to the anime imo. The anime went all kinds of places tonally speaking, from very dark and serious to campy fun and light hearted. A teaser that would try to present all that would be a mess, so I'm actually hopeful this could be quite a good adaptation!\n\nAnd yes you should watch the original anime", "I get Speed Racer vibes. I like it! Love the original. This is different and looks fun as hell in a different way.", "The first thing that came to mind was /r/ATBGE. As well done as this was, I really hope the whole series isn't like this. I won't make it through the first episode.", "Lol. It sucks when you get caught lying, doesn't it?", "No Edward, no Bebop. 👎", "They don't get credit for throwing in a Vicious snippet like Cloud having flashbacks of Sephiroth during a mission. The seriousness of the show came from stakes for the characters and dilemmas. Not just having a bad guy who is intimidating.", "It hurts cuz I want to like it sooo bad but I’m really scared that the dialogue is going to be one long cringe fest.", "Where the hell is the dog!? And also Edward, but more so the Ein the dog. If those two aren't in it I won't be watching.", "\"Go ninja go ninja GO!\"", "I can respect the panel swipe thing as something that was cleverly shot and distinct...but i have no idea why it's in anything that has to do with Cowboy Bebop. Maybe I'm just not remembering some episodes that got that wacky with the visual medium. \n\nI'll hold out judgment until at least watching an episode or two, but I'm out if they really try to make this a team up action adventure rather than the offbeat jack-of-all-trades that it was.", "This looks like absolutely fucking trash. Captures none of the gritty feel of the anime and turns it into some cheap cheese.", "Its like they took all the little charming things and shoehorned them into everything, making them the main things. Overall goofiness, food jokes etc.", "Welp, I only made it 19 seconds into the trailer. As a huge bebop fan I’m gonna pass hard on this. I’ve never seen a single live-action remake of an anime look good", "Yeah they seemed to be highlighting character dynamics here, which makes sense for a teaser. Not many people are gonna get excited for \"space cowboy blues,\" and this captures the goofy side of the show pretty well. I'll still be skeptical of the final product until we see it, but this does get my hopes up a bit", "Not sure we watched the same anime.", "It'd be hard for them to capture the feel of the original series in a short teaser like this, not impossible but it COULD be that this teaser is more representative of the conflict and unexpected turns natural to many of the plots for each 'session'/episode, along with the banter between each of the complex characters.\n\nThe original definitely had some outlandish characters and action scenes, but the action wasn't the focus of the show, if I had to explain some of the reservation some fans may feel towards this new series.\n\nBeing more accurate towards the main characters is sorely needed though.", "The thing is, I don’t mind it so much with something like Star Wars. Like the Disney ones aren’t great by any means, but the franchise was never this paragon of art to begin with. It’s a very basic heroes journey with cool visual effects. That’s all it’s ever been.\n\nOn the other hand, Bebop is to me a highly artistic creation. It’s the same reason I’d be sad about a prospective live-action Spirited Away. It just feels perverted.", "In the sense that the acting was absolutely atrocious?", "Pretty sure it's \"maaayyhn\"", "Yeah that's a little better lol.", "I do think the style is cool, and definitely better than some boring gritty dark style. Bebop has a healthy mix of both, but the trailer just shows the comic/action side. \n\nAlso... This takes place in the 2100s I think, so the grindhouse 70s theme is a really odd choice. It was never a full Star Trek kind of vibe, but closer to Firefly. So again, a better choice than generic sci-fi, but again kind of leaning hard on a small aspect. \n\nI think this series is really going to be its own thing and they're not really trying to make a faithful adaptation.", "Death Note was good in the sense that if you've never seen the anime, it was pretty enjoyable. I've known several people who watched the live action first and thought it was fine, but after watching the series they could absolutely see why it's not nearly as good", "Look dude, you need to get your shit together. I see you raging at people in the thread and honestly it's sad. \n\nI don't know what you got going on in your life but I think your time would be better spent doing something constructive or positive and not insulting people who don't agree with you.\n\nI try to not engage online and it's entirely because of people with your bad attitude. Maybe you have some bad things going on or maybe you just need to vent, but I hope you find inner peace and fulfillment by bettering yourself. Take care.", "The show would have to tonally unrelated to this teaser for me to enjoy it.\n\nThis teaser... it looks like a skit based on the Tank opening. If that's what it is... cute. If this is the show, then they've basically done a cleveland steamer on the show.", "Anyone else feel like they completely fucked the casting for Spike?", "I realize that I have only seen like 2 episodes of Cowboy Bebop but whatever this is, I loved it.", "There’s literally an episode where they’re chasing a 7”2’ serial dog kidnapper who’s had surgery to make himself appear as a black guy.", "Never seen a single episode of the anime but knows what goes down (roughly). This doesn't look half bad if this is the tone their going for. Looks decent enough", "Holy shit this looks worse than I even pessimistically imagined", "The Gintama movies are great. Doesn't take it self seriously and the characters are just like in the anime and have just the right amount of action and humour along the way.", "I hate it so much 🙃", "I knew what I was saying would not be popular, but I think if we are honest, given the source material, that this is a valid approach to adapting, wild over the top stories that still, somehow, work well enough to retell.", "This", "The anime did an amazing job toeing the line of being campy but having so many intense moments of suspense and action. I just don't think something like that is achievable with this version.", "Worth noting tho, the original Kenshin movie is like almost 10 years old now, it wasn't made by Netflix, while this show I guess was.", "Oldboy Beflop", "You're good people", "That was exhausting.", "You must really hate the first several episodes of the anime then", "Fuck this looks like shit…", "Sure!\n\nI'm not usually like this about stuff.\n\nCowboy Bebop is just a work of art that can't be captured really in this format.\n\nIf they were to even make a sequel I'd be against it. It is what it is and should remain that way.", "This is a great ad for people who don't know the source material. If this is the tone through out I'll be pretty disappointed but I would be VERY surprised if this is the tone throughout.", "every actor casted is wrong, isnt everyone suppose to be white? Faye and Spike seem nothing like there orginal characters.", "Yes, holistically good.", "I know right... If this was a fan film, I would give it a B for effort.", "Lol. Oh boy, you really don't like to get caught lying.", "I'll never understand the obsession with making animation into live action. Really besides grabbing for cash its kind of silly to force the adaptation when it works almost specifically in its current medium.\n\nWould be better to just take inspiration from the show and do your own take on a noir theme in space with interesting characters. It would probably be easier to do and you could still shoe-horn in \"inspired by...\" and force people to associate with the thing", "Spike is 6’1”, not 7 feet tall. Huge difference as there are millions of men over 6 feet tall in the US alone and only .000038% of the population are above 7 feet tall in the world.", "Matthew Lillard was such a perfect shaggy I think most of the cartoons started using him as the VA at a certain point.", "Hard no to all three.", "I think that's a pretty good movie. Though if the studios hadn't made James Gunn tone it down to be more kid friendly, it would have been an amazing movie.", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIfcISneSwU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIfcISneSwU)\n\nThat looks nothing like this trailer.", "I can forgive all of it if they respect the unseen main character from the show: jazz music.", ">The work, which becomes a new genre itself will be called...Cowboy Bebop.\n\nThis ain't it, chief.", "I thought it was better paced than the original, but you’re right about pretty much everything else.", "Wait no. Don't let the dark side take you. Watch the original first.", "Has there ever been a good live action anime interpretation? I remember people being so excited for Dragon Ball Z, Ghost in the Shell.....", "I know this is just a teaser and the show will be different but im not a fan of the casting at all.", "I hope they never do it again.", "Nothing like the Suntory Boss Coffee storyline with alien Tommy Lee Jones.", "Pretending you're not the asshole doesn't make it so. Keep being a loser I guess, if you think that works for you.", "Anyone know why Ed isn't on the show?", "Yea I have no idea what is going on with that casting.", "Agreed. The cut was great. Something just felt off though.", "Seems like Jet was too long in the Solarium.", "He was not involved in this aside from some notes after reading the initial concept. He literally said he can only hope and pray it turns out ok. Netflix's track record does not fill me with confidence and I will def be watching this from the open sea.", "It was a weird choice for a live action anime adaptation targeting Americans. The show was never popular here in the same way as Cowboy Bebop or Dragon Ball or Fullmetal Alchemist. Americans didn’t even really start watching anime until the ‘90s.", "WHERE WERE THE FUCKING DWARVES? WHERE?", "Why does this look like Kung Fury with a couple more dollars. 0 expectations & they just keep going lower.", "http://images4.fanpop.com/image/articles/109000/cowboy-bebop_109870_top_full.jpg?cache=1306365602\n\nhttps://i.gifer.com/14ji.gif\n\nhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxCTk-suvMhl4zIH9oiAttKbSufLm9yp8zMQ&usqp=CAU", "Damn that's sad, doing something just to spite ~~people~~ complete strangers. I love Cowboy Bebop, and I'd probably watch this since it gives me big live-action Scott Pilgrim vibes (the acting could use some work tho), but I completely understand why og fans hate this.", "[whrrrm](https://youtu.be/cyn6XYW2T64)", "Did you watch the show? Lol.\n\nHe smiles quite a bit, one that comes to mind is early on when he purposefully bumps into the woman carrying groceries and eats the hotdog.\n\nI think it's a mis-cast role too, but I wouldn't trust a billion dollar budget with Quintin Tarintino, Peter Jackson, George Lucas, and Steven Spielberg all in a think tank together with 5 years of production time to make this work if their lives depended on it.", "Same here. I like him, but he's too old for this role now.", "This looks like a steaming pile of hot garbage.", "Do you lump everyone together that criticizes this as toxic? I'm just trying to fathom this because there are good points in what they say, you just got to sift through the bullshit first. Also we're not supposed to judge a book by its cover but if the book says necronomicon on the front then you know it's not going to be a good time.", "Is any criticism of the adaptation going to be \"gatekeeping\"? I mean, let's be honest, if this didn't have the name Cowboy Bebop attached no one would even be paying attention, because the trailer looks god awful.", "I'm talking about trailer Spike. Obviously", "gintama is one of the best adaptations to live action I know of. That show is ridiculous to begin with so it actually works when they do all the goofy slapstick stuff.", "upvote before 0:10, then downvote. What a tired Spike.", "It feels like a skit \n\n\nOr like, if a car manufacturer for some reason had a cross promotion with the Cowboy Bebop cartoon, so they made a \"cute\" live action commercial referencing it.", "Dude I'm talking about the Spike in the trailer. You just watched it! You telling me you didn't notice trailer Spike didn't smile? You missed that whole deal?", "Chief's kiss... DENIED!", "Ohhhhhh, I see. Sorry.\n\nYeah he is just like not even close on this by any stretch of the imagination.", "It just sucks. Like it looks like there is some sort of reverence for the source material but it’s still all wrong because they’re trying to do some sort of literal translation from an animated work when actually you need to make some changes to make it work in live action. \n\nIt comes off as too goofy and cheap.", "Time to go watch the original again!\n\nI am offended that searching cowboy bebop on Google brings up this show before the original now :/", "Oh no. What have they done", "Actually surprised that this looks alright. They were never going to match the original in tone or style so it’s fair they’ve gone in this direction. \n\nMight still be a train wreck but that was better than I expected.", "Yeah the Ruroni Kenshin movies were great, I didn't know they existed till the last two showed up on Netflix a couple months back. Then I went and watched them all. I really enjoyed them.\n\nThat Renegades song is pretty banging too for a Japanese rock band ngl.", "It's more like Faye without her sexuality is missing the point for her source material", "If that happens. Kill me.", "This wasn't made to pander to anime fans, trust me. They made this to pander to their general audience who, like you said, wont be interested in watching it. Anime fans will hate this with a passion.", "> (Not counting comic book adaptations that also had cartoons, btw)\n\nWhy not count those? All those Japanese anime ones were comics first, too. No reason we can't give 90's TMNT and the modern MCU the credit they deserve, too.", "He smiled plenty in the anime..... Particularly when his bounty was the butt of a joke.\n\nHe just wasn't the type of person to be consistently happy, which is fine.", "This looks really cool. Thanks", "Its says Cowboy Bebop, but all im seeing is Scott Pilgrim", "no.", "This looks funny as hell", "This is the answer.", "Not all criticism is toxic", "Is there a steaming service that carries these?", "Of course not. The gatekeeping is comments I've seen about saying \"this isn't Cowboy Bebop cause of such and such\".\n\nEveryone is entitled to their own opinion, but saying it's not really Bebop cause of X is gatekeeping. \n\nI think it looks fun, but that's just me. Seems most people can't wait to shit on stuff online now though.", "Looks as good as Death Note! Great", "Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a garbage fire waiting to happen? This has vibes like whoever made it was completely out of touch, and only knows that Cowboy Bebop is popular.", "I can't see those words without singing them in my head!", "I am giving examples of Spike smiling in the anime.\n\nI didn't make any argument or other comment. Have you considered I am adding context to your post?", "Dude. Reread the post", "Fair point. It kind of makes you wonder why they bothered to acquire Always Sunny in the first place. Every single episode could be considered offensive to one group of people or another.", "1. This is a trailer.\n\n2. It's 10 hour-long eps not 10 24 min eps. It's only slightly shorter in total length. But some scenes will be rushed some will be longer.", "Where is Ed?", "I thought you were misunderstanding me like the other two people did.", "How can you presume to make assumptions about the source material if you've never seen it, nor care to? This is so tonally off it's distressing. If this was something not named Cowboy Bebop I would agree, it would look fun. But it's supposed to be Cowboy Bebop.", "Spike does not look as cool as he does in the anime, and why is Jet black?", "You also realize that a majority of the episodes didn't have stakes at all, right? They ALWAYS lost their bounty and fucked up. I watched the show from beginning to end last month, more than half of it is goofy and silly, serious, contemplative episodes were few and far between, as was a serialized plot.", "So before you downvote and go off the handle maybe you should think about that fact. :)", "I'm sure. I believe Sweet Home originated from webtoon. Tower of God and God of Highschool also got anime adaptation too.", "What the fuck did I just watch?", "not to mention cowboy bebop never had these funk pop undertones... lot of the stylistic choices they made here seem a much better fit for a show like scott pilgrim, not cowboy bebop", "Cho looks like an old dude wearing a wig for Comic-Con cosplay", "I am still disappointed/angry that they changed Faye's costume so much.", "It doesn’t look as terrible as I was expecting, but it’s still missing that something that Cowboy Bebop had. Jett and Spike were alright, but Faye was off big time.\n\nMy expectations are still really low, but it wasn’t a complete shitshow like I was expecting.", "The tone of this is …… weird. It feels flat and just off.", "It's such a shame that the DJ for the anime died in 2010ish due to a car crash. I am glad to see that they're making a live action like this. \n\n\nI am sure he would have loved to see this if he were still here.", "while there are obviously more emotional exemplifications of astounding feats in vitality, Cowboy Bebop", "Yeah that’s the issue. Translating the animated bits. If you try and just put them in as is it’s going to look stupid and cheesy. You have to translate it to live action and leave the animated bits behind. If that’s going to lose too much of the joy and soul of the adaption behind then it’s not worth doing.\n\nThere are anime that I believe could be directly translated to live action but I still think we’re just better off leaving it alone. Ghost In The Shell would have been on my list but they already fucked that up.", "At first I agreed with the comments talking about missing the tone but then I remembered the doofy \"Next episode\" clips and I feel like this is dead on.", "It looks like a kids version of a comic-book adaptation. Not quite as camp as 1960's Batman, but heading into the same ballpark, just updated for modern tastes and tech. Will give it a try, but that trailer really didn't do much for me at all.", "Search by controversial if you want actual excitement, instead of salty winging about the \"tone\" being off. As if any live-action adaptation has ever been perfect. That's why it's an adaptation and y'all need to adapt you expectations. \n\nSeriously, this looks fun and I can already tell that this show is going to be ruined by a spiteful audience. Even still, the tone of this was fine. Some of you have just forgotten how silly and ridiculous, or even over-stylized to hell and back, that Bebop was. This has all the spirit of the original, y'all just wanna jerk each other off with your, \"well atchually!\"", "Looks really good.", "Haven't there been a few other movies where they tried to do that too? I think the [directors cut of The Warriors](http://warriorsmovie.co.uk/tie-ins/directors-cut) was also like that because they tried really hard to reinforce the idea that it's a retelling of the Greek myth it's based on, and it just didn't lend itself to a comic format, so it felt really out of place.", "I mean we know _why_ they do it, because people will watch it. People who know nothing about Cowboy Bebop will watch it because it's in the recommendations list. People who _like_ Cowboy Bebop will \"give it a shot\". And people who love the show will also watch it out of spite to see how bad it is. At the end of the day, people will watch the fuck out of this because of the name on the box if nothing else, no matter how bad it is.\n\nBesides, and maybe this is getting a little too far into tin-foil-hattery but Netflix knows the shows won't be _that_ good. I'm not saying they intentionally make it bad, but they just don't try to make it very good either, because then they can cancel it after the first season or two and no one will really care. They get the publicity of making it, whether people like it or not, but then don't have to pay to make more of it. No salary re-negotiations for the cast, no budget discussions for a bigger \"season\", no additional licensing discussions. Just shit it out and move on to the next big name thing they can pump onto recommendations and keep churning.", "The edit where Spike flashes back could indicate they’re going to try to weave between the fun/campy action some episodes have and the darker more serious ones. A lot of emphasis on the could. I’ll hold off until it comes out.", "I hate this .", "I actually liked the Japanese Deathnote movies...not the Netflix one, but the other ones.", "Pretending you're not lying doesn't make it so. Keep being a loser I guess, if you think that works for you.", "I get that. I could be wrong, but this adaptation is feeling like it will be the best of the squalor we get with these live action adaptations. That's not to say it will be good or bad, but im optimistic as opposed to disgusted as I was with death note and FMA.", "That is true, but the majority of the criticism is pretty toxic, you just got to wait and see before saying the show is gonna be crap.", "Pff, get outta here naysayer.", "I think this trailer is telling us 2 things:\n\n1. The show won't take itself too seriously (for the most part). Like the anime, it will be upbeat and quirky, but with a serious undertone. Even the trailer slowed down a bit and got moody when Spike had his flashback. I have to believe the actual show won't be this manic... but it will be very stylized.\n2. Faye will be annoying.", "Oh, boy.", "John Cho needs to be 60% more comfortable with existing in a place and doing things too feel like Spike. Right now he's very acting class-ish. And that damn \"white guy hair\" ain't helping.", "Paddington had an excellent animated series in the 70s… but I’m cheating because that was an adaptation too. Tintin as also excellent but for a Spielberg movie no on really saw it. \n\n\nThat said, Paddington is a well tended property, Jesus.", "I don't know how to feel about this show but I was smiling at the end of the trailer", "Spike is supposed to be 27 years old... This dude looks like he's 40 somethin", "Not only that but different parts of each show have completely different tones. It can switch from noir to western in a moments notice then end sci-fi/samurai/noir, all equally and entire representes.", "I kind of like it. It's definitely got that lighthearted feel", "No matter how this turns out, you are all going to keep your subscriptions to Netflix in the end.", "man typical reddit negativity in here.\n\nthis might not look as good as the original and whatnot, but as far as live action remakes go, looks way better than most attempts and at the very least watchable and mildly entertaining.\n\nWill it improve upon and replace the original series? No. Will it be fun to watch and give us more Cowboy Bebop, something we havent had in 20 years? I hope and predict it will", "I unno I like Bebop and that was pretty dope. I'm in!", "Is it just me or are most of the people who are complaining about this trailer ones that appear to know nothing about the actual show and clearly only watched a handful of episodes?\n\nAnyone trying to argue that Cowboy Bebop wasn't camp as f*** for most of its episodes is telling on themselves.", "I liked Erased and Kakegurui Live Action better, but it is japanese made, not american.", "2 cents here.\n\nI think it will be a fun ride as well. I love that they didn't decide to use the books or show for reference. Its a whole new story. just like the books and show. I always felt like the books and shows were written to be different, even having a different feel from each other.\n\nBasically, it feels like it matches the IP perfectly. Different stories by different writers, with a different feel.\n\nI can wait, but im excited.", "No, no, you see the dialogue is all off. It should sound like a 90's Japanese man's idea of what a 22nd century Americanized bounty hunter should sounds like, but updated for our 2021 tastes. \n\nSee! How hard is it to nail that tone?! /s", "Yeah this felt right to me. At the same time I think a lot of peoples nostalgia for the show might make it impossible to please people.", "the original show is pretty quiet and contemplative and even the action is tightly controlled. this somehow looks more cartoony than the anime, and i mean that in the worst possible way.", "Yes what some people say is toxic but you have to sift through the shit to find the gold. Also we're not supposed to judge a book by its cover but if it does say Necronomicon on the front you know it's not gonna be a good time reading it.", "Yet they didn't use it in the new movie. 😒", "So is it a show or movie?", "Please lord be gentle to my baby...netflix does make some good stuff, here's hoping", "> They seem to think it’s a lighthearted action comedy.\n\nThe majority of episodes were. You're telling on yourself that you're not an actual CB fan.", "I spy Ein!", "I personally cannot put Eragon and Golden Compass in the same category at all. Eragon may legitimately have been a worse adaptation than Avatar.", "Where's Ed? :(", "Can you blame them? They would get so skewered in 2021 if they had this honeypot bounty hunter with big titties and skimpy clothes.\n\nContext and source material wouldn’t matter to the social media pundits.", "and the original bebop was not really campy or cheesy at all.", "He looks 40 which is an accurate and not anime age for Spike given his long back story. Cho is also like 52, he looks great.\n\nNot 27, but again that’s a bit absurd.", "Then why complain that it's not enough like the original? The fuck is this logic? You don't want it to be like the original, but if it's not, you won't like it because it wouldn't be imaginative enough?\n\nSounds like you just want to damn then if they do, damn then if they don't.", "Did you just call me obtuse? Send this man to solitary for 1 month", "Editing good, show bad", "I don't have an example (at least not one that hasn't been mentioned). But Firefly is a good example of a live-action space bounty hunter show that worked really well. They honestly should have done something like that instead of trying to adapt Bebop.", "The majority of criticism is toxic there are some valid points, but this overall negativity is just toxic and ranting and raving. This isn't at all like the backlash from say The Sequels.", "It's kinda interesting that's the take you got because for me this felt right. Maybe we have different ideas about what made the show great? I'm excited either way if it's shit then at least we had a chance at some thing good.", "So it was fantastic then.", "Faye is sooooo off character wtf", "Alice in Borderland was pretty good.", "Well this looks like utter dogshit. And Jet somehow shrunk by half and became black? Lol", "I personally loved the Ghost in the Shell movie that came out a few years ago.", "As someone whose had this on their watch list for over a decade, same\n\nAlthough thanks for the reminder", "I actually liked this trailer. I love the anime as well. \n\nThat said, I just don't have the energy to be negative about things all the time. Anytime a reboot or remake comes up for anything, it's almost always instantly called out not being a 1:1 of the original, shouldn't be made, etc. \n\nI'm going to be cautiously optimistic about the show until I see it. If it sucks, it sucks. I'll be sad about what could have been and move on. It doesn't make the anime worse. \n\nCriticism is fair of course, but too many people just dog pile onto things to the point it seems like they get more enjoyment from shitting on it then they would if the show were actually to their liking.\n\nThere's a whole genre of YouTube for this, the \"let's shit on this for laughs\" critic channels. \n\nI mean okay... but time better spent finding what you do like and celebrating that imo. It'd be cool if people spent half as much energy praising what they like as they do telling you what don't.", "> No one in here is gatekeeping, you moron\n\nlol, uncalled for personal attacks at any pushback. Yeah there's _totally_ no gatekeeping at all...\n\nWhy even put \"you moron\" in your comment as opposed to just having a normal discussion?", "I would have genuinely wanted to have more cowboy bebop animated episodes over a live action. It would have been as watched as a live action too.", "Oh my God this is garbage", "People who purposefully avoid animation or anime out of some principle are weird.", "Just to spite redditors, I'm gonna watch it *and* enjoy it.", "Honestly Keanu's flat affect would be perfect for Spike.", "Yeah, I thought this trailer was cute and fun, but everyone in this thread is like \"Spike old! Cringe!\"", "Sweet – loving the camera angles and use of frames!", "Most of the youtube comments are saying the show looks great.\n\nMost of reddit says it looks iffy. I agree.\n\nWhat is going on with these youtube viewers?", "If I'm 300 million woolong (or however much) in debt, haven't eaten in days and my bounty is getting shot in the face. \"Hey dipstick\" wouldn't be enough to cover my frustration.", "Let's be honest, the only people who are upset are weeaboos.", "I honestly couldn't tell if the fighting was some part of this '70s-kung-fu bit they're doing for this trailer, or whether this trailer is actually representative of what we'll see in the series.\n\nHorror of horrors: maybe they realized in hindsight that that's exactly how the show feels, and made this trailer for the sake of framing it as such in hopes of softening the blow.", "I honestly couldn't tell if the fighting was some part of this '70s-kung-fu bit they're doing for this trailer, or whether this trailer is actually representative of what we'll see in the series. \nHorror of horrors: maybe they realized in hindsight that that's exactly how the show feels, and made this trailer for the sake of framing it as such in hopes of softening the blow.", "Lmfao why would you do that", "And the so-bad-it's-good CGI", "This looks terrible", "Well put, it seems as though the cast will be a weak point. This guys Spike Spiegal seems very unconvincing.", "Watched this once and thought damn looks like shit. Watched a second time was like damn actually looks cool.", "Holy fuck. That was awesome.", "To be fair, the director of that movie apologized for it.", "People shitting on something isn't gatekeeping. Gatekeeping would be 'you can't be a part of this thing/fandom because of xyz'.", "Nope", "honestly, the concept and execution of the trailer novelty are awesome, the acting sucks though. it feels like theyre reciting lines and the pacing is not there", "The Amazon series was also very good", "And that band playing the theme absolutely butchered it.", "Man, I couldn't even make it until the end of the trailer, this looks horrendus", "The live action show is what would happen if you took the anime, covered it in molasses and threw it in a blender then poured it out as a sludgey show-smoothie. \n\nIt feels slow and awkward and clunky.", "Where is Ed?", "What the fuck did I just watch.....", "SO FAKE. god i'm sure acting isnt easy but these guys feel like theyre just barely phoning it in", "I will defend that movie until the day I die.", "exactly, he isn't cool enough, funny enough or....anything really", "I've never had a 'this is really cool' and a 'wow I really hate it' reaction to a trailer at the same time before, so that's something.", "He got paid money for it, no? Hopefully this can lead to him getting more money to make more things I enjoy.", "Honestly, I'd do it the other way round. \n\nEnjoy the Netflix version independently, it seems like its got some unique style to it at least.\n\nThen afterwards watch the anime to understand why everyone is pissed off.", "No thanks.", "I know the live action series is going to be a flop, but I'm hoping it will flop hard. That way it will at least be fun for the fans to make fun of it, rather than some mediocre film that will get forgotten like leftovers.", "Right? The whole time I was enjoying the fuck out of this very clever and fresh editing where they all interact with the line… I was also cringing the entire time as every line felt flat and out of place. \n\nI think this will be very bad.", "netflix, at least in the US", "Yea Kenshin and GTO are the only ones I found so far that any fan can watch without complaint.", "Right, because lying about people gatekeeping is an attempt at normal discussion.", "🤯", "This whole thing looks like it didn't have a budget to shoot with. It just screams \"very low budget series that'll be cancelled after a season\"\n\nI'd wager fans won't be happy with this, and the casual people who have never even heard of the anime will take one look at this and say \"nope\"", "I wish this was half as good as looooong man", "I agree, it's only a medium. Even the live action stuff is still an illusion. None of it's real.", "Yea, he's too old and he talks about it a bit in an interview. I'm not sure who might have worked though, maybe Ludi Lin.", "I've never watched this show but this game me the same Eye tingles as Speed Racer so I am on board", "We went from a space noir to a slapstick fan-made looking parody. I sense a Valerian kind of vibes. But i'll try it out for sure.", "Wheres Ed.", "I mean they clearly did use the show for reference. The previous opening credits they put out shows like 5 specific episodes that seem to be almost shot for shot.", "Old fan here. ^Are ^fake ^accounts ^and/or ^bots ^piling ^on ^the ^hate? \n\nDamn, this looks sick! \n\nThey got Jet's gravelly voice. They got Spike's long legs. They got some pretty cool VFX that fits the tone of the series. \n\nI'm really, really happy with this and excited.", "Less 'kids toy commercial' more Sin City vibes please", "Bebop was great because you wanted to be everyone in it. \n\nSimilarly, this is terrible because you want to be nobody in it.", "Google AdService. PaytoWin", "Well, I wasn't expecting that.", "Where's Chris Pratt when you need him! /s", "Well, that's certainly the most unique movie trailer I've ever seen. I have no idea what the source content is like but it's on Netflix so no reason not to check it out.", "I thought it was gonna be gritty instead its more cartoony then they actual CARTOON", "Absolute dogshit", "Absolutely!!! (I think this is getting hate spammed IMHO.)", "They are perfect. The problem is the franchise is tainted now.", "Edge of tomorrow, was based on a manga.", "This looks like a fun time. I'm just not expecting more of the original animated series.", "If this was 3 Cosplayers from Bumblefuck college and paying the extras in weed and handies, then this would be great.\n\nFor netflix? Eh... This just cemented the fact that this is gonna suck ass to the original fans to me.", "This... doesn't look promising?", "Its not looking down on part of the fanbase. Something that is completely independent of any fanbase when a new adaption is released is people who jump online to protect something they feel entitled to. Shitting on those people is not attacking part of a fanbase its shitting on a toxic anomaly that appears everywhere.", "Honestly, put him in a Spike looking body and I think he could maybe pull it off lol.", "Yikes", "Why’s spike Japanese lol…", "Had the casting director looked around they could have found Simu Liu. Still not a wirey body shape but right age at least.", "If they dont have a Faye walking around with a fat ass and booty shorts im not interested", "Where do we find This Dip Stick? Sounded about as much like Faye as if they had Ein just say 'bark bark' in a human voice", "[The Anime Man made a tier list](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3zmx2jxrg)", "This really doesn't sell me on the idea that an adaptation needed to exist. It looks like a great cosplay act for an anime convention, but as a show it just feels unnecessary.\n\nThe creators made a point to say that this was going to different from the original but everything they've shown so far has been cheap imitation. And anything that seems to depart from the original is just a mess.", "I think it's too soon to say, but I'm really enjoying Foundation so far", "Why does spike have constant crippling depression", "It always had an un-forced listlessness to it, swaying in different directions, but always swaying.\n\nThis trailer speaks forced to me from top to bottom.", "Faye didn't seem very Faye at all.", "Well, I'm completely flaccid....\n\nI really hope the show is better than that. The delivery and dialog was just... Awful", "Other than his attitude, the way he moves when he fights, and the way he handles interpersonal relationships. Sure nothing screams this guy needs to be 27.", "Claiming there was as many wacky episodes as dark dramatic ones is bull. On its surface Cowboy Bebop is scifi noir. There are definitely funny moments peppered into just about every single episode but most of them dealt with pretty serious subjects \n\nFor every one Cowboy Funk, you get a Sympathy for the Devil, a Waltz for Venus, and a Black Dog Serenade", "Its got a bit of a cosmic cowboy vibe to it as well. But shit like this trailer is why no one watches AOL Blast anymore.", "Word, idk about its mass appeal unfortunately. We'll get our Live Action like we were clamoring for, but I don't think my girlfriend is gonna like it, and I don't think it will make her want to watch the original. \n\nI've been optimistic about John Cho, but I didn't get Spike vibes off his expressions. I guess Spike was always either being snide / coy, or sarcastic / apathetic, but in a way that's still \"too cool for school\" enough that it's clear he knows how he's coming across. In this teaser, Cho just looks outright bored.", "> It can switch from noir to western in a moments notice then end sci-fi/samurai/noir, all equally and entire representes.\n\nAre any of those pure slapstick physical-comedy and skit level jokes, though? I can only hope the actual series is nothing like the tone of this trailer.", "This was my first thought. I'm amazed at how they found actors that so perfectly embody the Tick and Arthur.\n\nI met Patrick Warburton a while back and he said he really wanted to do the Amazon show, but he was considered too old :(", "Cho seems too stiff in the fight scenes, like he's being careful not to sprain his ankle or ruffle his clothes", "I'm just having a hard time figuring out what the proper watch order is.", "I'm a big sci-fi nerd. Not really into anime, except for like DBZ, one punch man, and cowboy bebop. \n\nI wanted this. Sorry.", "Then why'd you even watch this?", "Maybe the goofy comedy wouldn't be sticking out in the teaser so much if it was actually good instead of cringey.", "yeah I think a lot of this is either lifted from many separate episodes or filmed specifically for this teaser.", "Ehhh.... No thanks....", "Maybe it's just a trailer and the final product would be watchable, I dont know", "Will this pave the way for live action Space Dandy??", "it may be good on it's own. but I think it will be as bad if not worse than the death note adaptation. \n\n\nAlso the actress is a cunt towards fans that feel the outfit wasn't right. \n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOAG1n0vx3k", "The gantz movies are a lot better than the anime. Kings avatar show was good too.", "Just pretend it's not bebop and you should be okay.", "Never really watched the original so I can't comment on how similar it is, but the editing and style of that trailer was really cool", "The sword choreo person on those movies (Kenji Tanigaki) is awesome! Worked on Donnie Yen stuff, got brought over for Snake Eyes. Solid all around.", "> boring gritty\n\ndescribing no part of cowboy bebop ever", "So they could complain. I think it makes sense to not show the dark, slow side of Bebob in this trailer. It's the first trailer, this could be the first look at Bebob for a LOT of people.\n\nCast a large net and draw them in, keep them with the finer parts.", "What I'm worried about is that is if the tone they are going for in this teaser is going to be the main tone for the series, because honestly the way it is now, I think it would get really old really fast.", "Still haven’t been hooked", "Speed Racer really was something special. I went to one of the last screenings in LA and the room was filled with VFX artists and art students with open sketchbooks.", "I was talking about the people complaining that this isn't a scene for scene remake of the anime, not the film makers.", "I’m gonna give this a shot. It looks silly and pretty and adult. If they failed at least they tried something new with it. You can’t go back.", "$$$$$\n\n\nDisney has been making bank by just re-doing all their famous movies into live actions. \n\n\nYou can't capture all the beautifully animated scenes in Cowboy Bepop in live action. All the fight scenes and space scenes are going to look terrible. But hey people will see cowboy bepop and watch it anyways- Netflix will make millions and millions of profit- and they'll keep doing this to other popular animated shows/movies until they stop making money on these terrible projects.", "The only way I'd watch it is if it had this sort of editing in the show. It wouldn't really be Cowboy Bebop at that point, but it'd be entertaining to watch.\n\nUnfortunately, I think this is just a trailer edit.", "It is too soon to say, but each episode it seems to be getting more campy and deviate more and more from the original concepts of the books. I'm still watching, hoping for a good twist or reveal that puts it back on track... But I'm becoming more and more sceptical", "I never understand why they try to make live action look cartoonish with editing and lighting and banter when it almost always never works.\n\nIts always better to lean into the realism rather than lean into the cartoon vibe", "That was fucking impressive. Some of the best...cinematography? For lack of a better word, I've ever seen.", "Actually kinda cool trailer - at least technically. Well edited and a bunch of glimpses, but not enough to really judge the characters or quality of action. I'll give it a few episodes to see if it hits the right tone.", "Teasers are supposed to hype you up and get you interested in the show; it's the time to put your best foot forward.\n\nIf this is their best, then it doesn't look like a good time.", "Well, not ALL of those anime adaptations were manga first I think. But most were, so you have a point. In which case there are zillions. The Crow, several superman movies, the first TMNT one, a good chunk of the MCU, Oldboy (Korean version preferably), and many, many, many more.", "They somehow made it worse than I imagined.", "I just meant the gritty part. Bebop has plenty of the violent and somber stuff that gritty movies/shows feature. I said boring because they tend to oversaturate their works with it.", "This is super well directed, but it’s just not right.", "I was laughing at how bad that movie was. Couldn't believe they made more than one.", "I was utterly dumbfounded watching this.\n\nLike, in a way I thought it was awesome- but not as an adaptation of Cowboy Bebop...damn idk.\n\nGonna try and go into it like it's an original work unrelated to anything...", "The whole thing where Faye always seems to be brandishing a gun is so dumb. In the original, the main way Faye engages is with her wits, charisma, and feminine wiles. It seems like they decided to just replace that with her blasting her gun all the time, which is just awful.\n\nAlso what's so important is the character dynamics between main cast. They seem to have understood them as \"they bicker all the time\" and that's it. So much of the diagloue in the original is defined by the ways in which the characters relate to one another, but it seems like someone just tried to summarize it as \"oh they're a quirky team of bounty hunters\"", "I love the original but this is nothing like that. Scrap the music, mentions of names and remove the title and I never would have guessed it was about CB.\n\nThen again, live action iterations of animes never seem to work.\n\nI'm also not sold on the actors. Nothing against them but they don't scream to me who they supposed to be at a glance. Then again it's hard to do that I guess, animes have way more freedom to describe style and everything else.\n\nProbably won't watch it so I'll have my nostalgia intact.", "And couldn’t they get somebody who’s known for martial arts in the role? Spike is basically like a boozed out Bruce Lee", "As long as it's better than the death note remake I think I'll be a happy cat, hell the actor playing as Jet got the characterization down, dubious about those playing Faye and Spike but hey I've been surprised by unlikely circumstances before.", "Old enough to be his dad", "Last Airbender was worse IMO", "It could have also been a Japanese commercial for paper considering the weird ads that come from there", "深夜食堂 (Shinya Shokudou, Midnight Diner) series on Netflix is great! The Kenshin movies (るろうに剣心) are decent too, as others have suggested. A little long winded, but feature great swordplay and good acting.\n\nThe Ingenuity of the Househusband is good too, the episodes are 4 mins long each. It's an adaptation of 主婦極道 (Shufugokudou, Way of the House Husband), a really good comedy anime which I highly recommend!\n\nEdit: my bad, you were talking about anime adaptations, not manga, which is what Midnight Diner is adapted from. Leaving the comment up though cos I still highly recommend it!", "Bob-o-licious!", "It doesn't seem like any of this is from the actual show. Seems more like a stylistic demonstration. I think it'd be better to wait and see how the acting flows in the show.", "Feels like an SNL spoof.", "Feels like they are making another \"death note\" like disaster...", "She wasn't in any physical combat but she did have her own starfighter and helped spike in a space battle but that's about as all I can remember", "No, sorry. I just sing it to myself every time I see the reference.\n\nI never looked up who it was because in my head-canon the singer is Trey Parker.", "Oh god.", "That would have been REALLY FUCKING EXPENSIVE.", "uh, no.", "the idea that this trailer didn't take massive amounts of creative talent is ridiculous", "I think its entirely fair to want more of the series as a sci-fi nerd. I'm just highly skeptical of old series getting rebooted (see: Matrix 4) and even more skeptical of anime gone live action (deathnote, dbz etc.).\n\nFor both of us, I hope I'm wrong!", "Hmmmmmno.", "I feel like Adrien Brody is too old nowadays, but yeah younger he would be perfect!", "100% Eragon was worse than Avatar.", "Unprofessional bullshit.", "I was kinda excited about this...but now not so much.", " Gintama live action (2 movies and 2 mini dramas I think) pulled it off surprisingly well IMO.", "I always thought Spike was white. I'm not saying he has to be. Just thought he was. Spiegel is Germanic or something right?", "Wow, it looks like shit.", "I can't tell if I love it or hate it. Can I love parts and hate other parts?", "this would be true even if they brought it back as an anime", "Not really. Most of the episodes either involve the crews past (Hard Luck Woman, Boogie Woogie Feng Shui, Ganymede Elegy, My Funny Valentine) or their interactions with random ppl (Asteroid Blues, Gateway Shuffle, Sympathy for the Devil, Waltz for Venus, Brain Scratch) who usually end up dead. Then your outliers Toys in the Attic and Pierrot le Fou\" (\"Requiem for a Clown\")\n\nHonestly the only episodes I'd consider entirely comedic would be, Mushroom Samba, Cowboy Funk, Wild Horses, Stray Dog Strut, Jamming with Edward, and Bohemian Rhapsody. \n\nOut of 26 episodes you could argue 6 or 7 (Toys in the Attic is debatable) are entirely comedic.\n\nI'd say for the most part Cowboy Bebop is a serious show with comedy being a part of it but not central to its theme", "Yeah the bickering from the cast here feels like actors reading off a script. It doesnt feel natural", "Youre not, reddit just loves being negative.", "Everyone needs to be taller", "Alita was god tier and it's almost 1:1 the manga at least the first tome", "Hey, you need to stop having opinions different from the majority, it's making me question my biases, asshole.", "So uh why did they cast a dude who looks 50 to play a bounty hunter in his twenties?\n\nLooks fun but it doesn't look very Cowboy Bebop.", "I actually liked Jet’s actor. Everyone else’s acting was so cringe that it took me out of it", "Was it not?", "Sorry your memory is complete shit and you cant remember all the other awesome episodes.", "Andrew Koji would have been the best pick for Spike.\nHe 100% has the charisma and style to pull him off.", "Speed Racer is a 10/10 film. Will defend it forever.", "This feels like 2012 YouTube", "I really wanted to like this. I love cowboy bebop. But this is bad. It's really, really bad.", "What the fuck is this? Did she seriously call Spike a \"dipstick\"? WHY DOES EVERY STUDIO HAVE TO TAKE A GREAT ANIME STORYLINES AND FUCK IT UP INTO A LIVE ACTION ABORTION!?!", "I think this series can work if they aren't adapting episodes 1 to 1. It seems like these are side adventures that weren't shown in the main series, similar to the movie. This just feels like another slice of their life.", "I’m not digging it tbh. The feel is way off. None of the characters feels familiar. Even Jet", "I agree, I think it looks fun tbh. But I just feel like Spike and Faye were miscast. Either that or I’m hoping there’s better acting in the actual episodes cause oof some of those exchanges were cringey", "Yikes your comments are cringe", "Yeah, that dark action show with an episode where the entire crew save one is high on mushrooms, and the one who isn't is chasing the mushroom dealer around on a scooter while dodging flying watermelons.", "His voice is so wrong though. Too young. Everything about this is bad. If we all pay enough money, do you think they'll be willing to cancel the show? Like a sort of gofundme to make it not happen?", "Can’t get over spike not having a silky voice", "I can understand, I was just offering my outside perspective but I definitely get people hoping for something closer to the source material. I hope the show delivers on some level for old fans, but hell if nothing else maybe it'll bring in some new fans who'll want to see the original.\n\nI've always been meaning to watch Bebop and even though this trailer is apparently nothing like the original show, it has made me want to watch it even more.", "I love him too but when anyone tries to make him a badass it just does not work. He had some line Star Trek 2 that was supposed to be hard and it was so cringey I could barely look at the screen. I can't think of a worse pick for Spike.", "Holy shit, that acting is bad. I couldn’t even finish it. Not even enjoyably corny. This is going to be exactly the disaster everyone expected.", "Bell curves in motion.", "dont see you space cowboy...", "Live action Kite would like a word...", "I’m sorry, what the fuck is this?", "I think you're the best audience for this remake. I think the actors care, there is definitely a great stylistic flair, there is quality in here and that's all you need for a show to be good. \n\nBut from what we've seen, there is no way this show will feel remotely like the original series. People looking for that are going to be very, very disappointed. \n\nI'm a big fan of Cowboy Bebop and I'm hoping the show is well received as a show on its own, but I'm going to have to try really hard to view it as its own product. I think comparing it to the original is only going to lead to pain. \n\nYou should definitely watch the anime after the show! With the understanding that - and obviously I'm totally speculating here and the remake could really surprise me - that it gets a lot darker.", "The live action series to Great Teacher Onizuka was pretty rad.", "To be fair B- for an anime live action remake is like a C- for normal show", "Thanks.", "Yeah it all felt really stiff - like the actors weren't comfortable at all", "Holy shit this looks like garbage.", "Alice in Borderlands, Sweet Home were both good. Sweet Home was more of a deviation from the source material but still did everything really well. AiB was really good and I think people sleep on it. \n\nBattle Angel Alita imo was really good. It encouraged me to get into the older materials and I do appreciate everything they tried in the movie. I do see where the criticisms lay but I also feel like something will always be difficult to carry from an animated platform to the live action one so if things don't carry over totally we shouldn't be as critical.\n\nAlso The Resident Evil movies were decently successful and the animated ones are also semi-successful. I'm looking forward to new Welcome to Raccoon City movie even if it looks alittle B-Quality", "Really? I thought he was the worst of the three. Seemed exceptionally wooden.", "These just seems like action scenes that they masterfully cut into a trailer. You’re reading too much into it.", "Jesus, a wild Freddiew appeared. Nice to see you on Reddit again.", "Won’t be seeing you, space cowboy", "\"We've got Edgar Wright at home\"", "Yes, also bad, air bender worse.", "Plenty of them are, Cowboy Funk (ep 22) springs to mind for having very skit feeling comedy.", "I just know if I hear \"see you later space cowboy\" and it isn't right I will die a little inside. Don't need anything tainting that memory.", "Iron Man was like 6th in box office sales when it released. I am sure that it played some part in the lack of asses in seats, but not to the point it was undermining another movie's numbers till it bombed.", "Is anyone else getting a feeling of an 80s movie or at least a homage to one with this trailer or that someone on production here really likes kill bill a lot.", "Based on what I saw of the acting I just hope the actual show doesn’t try to play it straight, kinda liking the martial arts focus but not if it becomes too serious.", "lol", "i agree that john cho is too old, but hope he can do a good job regardless. faye seems alright, im more worried about them forcing her into more of the story than she originally was in in the anime.\n\noverall, i think the main worries people have are from only seeing a few minutes at a time. the differences with the anime feel too immediate, spike is old, the acting feels weird in live action, etc.\n\ni think once you actually settle into full episodes of it, that effect will diminish and you will get used to it. or you wont and you will complain on reddit. but whatever, im gonna give it a chance at least.", "It feels like a student project, where the filmmaker is doing a great job of showcasing their technical ability, but is stuck using their film school friends who a) are not actors and b) do not understand the characters at all.", "Which ironically I knew was going to suck because of...get this, the first 2 minute trailer they released of it. Wouldn't you know it chuckles? Sometimes you can actually judge a book by its cover.", "They act like this show is going to remove the anime from existence or something. It's pretty funny reading their meltdowns.", "Why do you people getting excited for these awful shows lmao", "The dude they got to play Spike isn't anywhere near hot enough to fit the cool dude vibe of the original", "I may be more excited for this than Dune.", "And then you’ll go to all the threads and complain", "Holy shit. Looks so damn cheesey. Def gonna be on the guilty pleasure list.", "Spike isn't cool enough. Jet isn't tough enough. Don't even know what to make of Faye. This version of Vicious is lacking. \n\nThe whole thing just feels half hearted and phoned in", "This looks so much better than what I expected and stupider than what I wanted. Suppose I'll check it out .", "But it did get me to read the books.", "Ugh.", "The trailer as a whole is sus, but I loved how it was choreographed. Although that's possibly because \"What Planet is This?\" is one of my favorite pieces of music ever written.", "Where Ed at?", "fuuuck. I thought I was a Cowboy Bebop fan but I was totally wrong. I thought Spike was mainly designed off of french noir movie characters and the mannerisms lifted from Bruce Lee, but I was totally wrong. My memory could have been fucked up or maybe the DVD extras were wrong but thanks for setting me straight.\n\nMy prejudices have been set though, despite Matsuda looking the spitting image of Spike.", "Cowboy Bebop: What if?\n\nWhat if Spike was 50% Austin Powers?", "Is it me or do the main actors seem a bit stiff? They felt that way in the opening and I gave them the benefit of the doubt, it was just a case of them filming that footage without as much preparation as the rest of the show. Yet here they still seem as stiff as before while the extras move a bit looser.\n\nIt just gives the feeling that they aren't comfortable with the roles or aren't as interested.", "Wow... looks nothing like the show awesome /s", "My nostalgia is in danger.", "This isn’t actual footage, it’s essentially a promotional short film.", "Except that OP acknowledges the fact that \"Its only comparisons that detract\", to begin with... The originals were iconic for their time I loved them and while I agree with the general fan base's consensus that there is a lot that could have been done to make the live action movie better... I also think that these things don't make the movie a bad movie, just not one that lives up to it's potential.", "Yes. I have been saying this since he was selected. Spike has a lanky yet graceful fighting style which serves to emphasize the power and speed of his movements. Cho's movements here are completely missing that style because his limbs are not as long and the shots are not framed to emphasize the right aspects.", "because it can attract new viewers and old viewers who are at least willing to give it a chance.\n\nfor you, the neckbeard demographic who could watch an absolute masterpiece and be unable to appreciate even the smallest virtue, who goes into it with a completely formed opinion despite having seen nothing... well thankfully, they dont care about you at all.", "CB is one of my favorite pieces of media of all time. This... is not.", "He looks like Austin Powers in this. That hair...", "Interesting take; it feels like they \"marvel\"-ized the show now you brought up the cutaway lines. That's basically a recipe for mass appeal.", "He so cool", "Thanks, I hate it.", "Why? And none of the looks or voices are… what’s the word gruff(?) enough \n\nEverything about this feels wrong and way too much uptempo scenes where is the chill\n\nFelt like an amateur parody", "Make it two movies, one for Ichigo becoming and learning about Shinigami/Hollows (maybe set up some kind of mini quincy rivalry with Ishida), ending on Rukia's kidnapping, the next for invading Soul Society.", "The point of remaking something is to equal or exceed the original. Comparing it to other live action remakes is just stupid. Live action remakes aren't a genre unto themselves. It will and should be compared to the original IP like all adaptations are.", "Mushroom samba", "Well just when I thought Netflix couldn’t bastardize this series any more than they already had… what a trash fire.", "I’m gonna be sick, this is terrible.", "I can appreciate that, like, Walking Dead levels of \"Woe is me everything is fucked?\"", "All the Kenshin movies have songs by ONE OK ROCK. Highly recommended!", "I don’t think it was an anime but I think edge of tomorrow might be the closest we have", "Black Dynamite is intentionally bad..I don’t believe that’s what they were going for here.", "It’s going to be shit… I mean it was obvious from their casting and this trailer just confirmed it. It feels like a high school play based on a Chinese cowboys bebop ripoff.", "You should definitely make 20 more comments to others about how they aren't actually fans, certainly it'll stick and someone will care what you think any minute now.", "Warburton was great because of Patrick, but Amazon's was great because it felts like more whole. I liked the actor for The Tick and Arthur, and murderboat is great.", "Yeah and the Pierrot Le Fou episode gets me all giggly. You can point out individual episodes but if someone asked me “Is Cowboy Bebop a comedy?” I would say no.", "this doesn't look trash...", "I'm down with this and I'm not a bot.", "Omitted. Noir is (probably) racist or some shit.", "My personal opinion is that the live action makes it it seem way cheesier than the anime. I didnt even make it through the trailer.", "This is my favorite Wachowski movie, hands down.", "I watched this movie for the first time while I was high as absolute shit. It's so colourful and beautiful, with more emotion in it than I expected. Love this movie.", "I also like John Cho. Why did they have to make my dude look like Asian Beethoven?", "Fucking yes.", "Considering the upvotes I'm getting on my comments, I think plenty of people agree with me.", "The editing team did a great job. The line delivery is flat. Good enough trailer, but did they just pump in the table read audio?", "It seems to only cover the first few episodes, before Ed is on the bebop", "may just be for the trailer. if they want this to air when kids can see it", "This is weird, so people made a point about how Spike and Faye should be played by Asian Actors... Jet was randomly cast as a black guy and he is the only one that seems to fit the role.", "Right? God forbid this adaptation have fun with itself. It’s funny, the comments on the first post I saw on r/Television were mostly positive, with the highest rated comments pointing out the things I also liked about the teaser. Only the comments towards the bottom were saying “people like this?, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, 2 minutes of cringe, John Cho so old, etc. etc.” Seems like in the intervening hours those negative talking points have taken over the majority of the reddit hive mind narrative. Haterism always scores more points, I guess…especially when you can sprinkle a good helping of “ruining this thing I used to love” on top. \n\nThis looks like a blast to me. It has the potential to retain some of the feel of the original while also being something new. I was cautiously optimistic before but this has me excited to see what they did.", "Ab-so-lute trash.", "This is the best thing I’ve ever seen. Gtfo here with the hate. This is fun AF.", "> Why does everyone want this to be the exact same tone as the original?\n\nThe original is a masterpiece, so there’s an expectation that the tone will be the same or something that works just as well.\n\n\nThe bar is set high, so of course fans expect something atleast somewhat close to the original.", "No no no no no no no\n\nNo.", "Looks pretty bad.", "unreasonably excited about this\n\nEDIT: Watched some episodes. Unreasonable was right. :(", "Its bad.\n\nI don't like any of the actor picks and this doesn't feel like Cowboy Bebop. Oh well, another shitty Netflix adaptation, ez skip. But hey on the bright side maybe someone will take a look at the anime, its still great.", "This feels more like Borderlands", "I tried watching the anime and couldn't get past the first episode. It was just kind of boring. This looks pretty fun though! Definitely will binge it when it drops.", "> The point of remaking something is to equal or exceed the original.\n\naccording to who? have you not been watching tv and movies for the past 20 years? youre telling me spiderman 47 is supposed to be the best?\n\nthe point of remaking things is to take advantage of an already existing fanbase and reduce the risk of it flopping. the quality of it varies completely on a case by case basis.", "I dunno, looks fine. I am a fan of passion projects. I am not going into this expecting it to be better then the Anime (that would be ridiculous) so, it's whatever. Visuals check out, music checks out, everything looks like an anime. I am really at a loss for what people who aren't excited are expecting out of this. Dont like it, dont watch it.", "The actress went on record how they tried to desexualize which also means neither her or the showrunners get the character and why she was the way she was.", "It's gonna be dope. All the people saying they arn't feeling it or the tone is wrong, or other adaptations suck or whatever ect ect are gonna be big fanboys of this here in a month and move on to shitting on something else that hasn't been released yet.", "Mother of god…they actually did it right.", "I enjoyed Alice in Borderland, though they do have a lot of opportunity to screw it up in season 2.", "They're legitimately good, fun movies. Especially mindblowing was how they managed to transition the anime ridiculousness of sword techniques to film; you legitimately feel the difference between how someone like Saito fights compared to Shishio compared toSojiro. Not to mention how they even brought in the Gatotsu move!", "Don't forget Death Note", "I don't know if everyone reads comics the same way, but I spend a lot of time looking at each panel if there's no dialogue to read, because half the fun is the art. You can't really do that in a movie with a set frame rate.", "I keep hearing this defense and hearing people saying that no midriff is a deal breaker is Hilarious. \n\nThey where the same cloths for 26 episodes and that's totally kosher but she has pants and people flip there shit.\n\n>survived by using her sexual appearance to catch men off guard\n\nAside from the dozen or so times she was captured and managed to get out of it with zero help to her outfit. Like she can still flirt with out looking like a 90s anime girl.", "THEY CUT EDWARD?!?!?!?! (as per imdb)\n\n\nWHAT THE ACUTLA FUCK", "Ah. So when many comments are critical of the tone that shows you that the majority of people aren't really fans (as you say in another comment to someone else), but when you get a few upvotes, that means you're correct. \n\nInconsistent.", "She is being shown off tomorrow", "I read a bit of the manga when I was in middle school and haven't really engaged much with the manga/anime since. But that trailer for Rurouni Kenshin: The End looked really good and I want to check it out. Should I go back and watch some of the older films first or can I jump right into The End?", "I feel like the problem with this approach is that if you're going to make something so wildly different, just make something different? \n\nInstead they're basically making their own show and pasting premade characters and backdrops over it, and still fucking that up. \n\nThe other issue is that when this inevitably bombs like the death note movie, it will impact chances of people funding other live action adaptations that could maybe be good. \n\nThat said, while I am personally disappointed with this trailer and don't see this doing well, I'm glad some folks are stoked at least, and hope y'all enjoy it still.", "as an OG fan ... I don't\n\n&#x200B;\n\n(not that I am blind to bad anime adaptions... Death note was a travesty)", "What kinda shit show is this! Distasteful yuck.", "The live action Bleach was pretty decent.", "There's plenty of top level comments on the various threads about the trailer that are positive about it and have hundreds of upvotes.", "It feels like they thought this was a scott pilgrim comic book....", "I liked it 🤷‍♂️\n\nEdit: lol still liked it, each downvote I'll let it play in the background once while I do household chores. Gotta pump those numbers up for more sessions baby.", "If you've never done acid, but want to know what it would feel like, I have a movie for you", "\"Cash grab\" doesn't really speak quality to me.", "I've never watched CB, but that trailer looked like it was poorly acted and extremely well edited.", "It was better than IM1 imho.", "Yeah, as someone who’s only seen a little of the original Bebop, this didn’t feel the same. BUT that doesn’t mean I didn’t like it. It didn’t register as Cowboy Bebop to me, but still looks like a fun, energetic, weird sci-fi show that I’m going to like. \n\nPlus the editing with the splitscreen was brilliant. That had to have taken a ton of planning and careful shooting to pull off, so props to their team for that. Like you said, a solid standalone trailer, but doesn’t feel like Bebop.", "How boring.", "> \"Faye is basically a solar-system-wandering whore that cons people with her titties.\"\n\nThey say there are only really seven story archetypes that all movies, TV shows, books, songs, and everything fit into. I think you've identified the 8th.", "The hate that movie got was really puzzling to me. It's like you don't really know the source material do you.", "hell is other people is excellent", "Well the tone wasn't Scott Pilgrim thats for sure....", "Dragonball?", "Right?!?\n\nI can see this doing really well with those not realizing it's an adaptation. \n\nThe tonal shift is so off that those that like this adaptation will be totally thrown by the original.", "On the same boat as you. A simple thing such as Faye's outfit got fucked too.", "Death note. My poor soul. How you gonna fuck up a live action movie with fucking Willem Dafoe as ryuk.", "when can can't be perfect. be original?", "looks like a parody or something", "There is a non-insignificant number of people who agree with you.\n\nI liked both movies. Haven't rewatched speed racer in a minute, though.", "Haters be damned, I don't want a facsimile of the anime, I want a unique take. This looks fun, and that's all it needs to be.", "I like that I never watched the original show so I can watch this with zero expectations, looks goofy but interesting", "> Faye without boobies = Faye with out sexuality \n\nthese two things are not mutually exclusive...", "What next? Make Ein and Ed the same character???", "erased is good? i can't stand it for some reason.", "Extremely bizarre they would do this to Faye while also cutting Ed, who is the quirky fun girl character.", "I'll say this here even though I'll get the hate. I hadn't watched Death Note the series but enjoyed the American movie. I watched the anime way after and loved it also and see why the tone was different but if that movie had been it's own thing I think it would've been received differently.", "Yep that's the other option but then you would need LoTR level of cramming the essential conflicts and battles without overbloating it in the 2nd SS arc movie, definitely could have worked.", "It's a hugely popular anime, one that was recommended for years to newcomers, so it should be no surprise that redditors will post things related to it to reddit when the Netflix adaption is just about to come out", "\"'ello Shpike. Gon' ahed and betrayed the Syndicate now 'ave ya\"", "> No one in here is gatekeeping, you moron\n\nHe said gatekeeping", "Samuel L Jackson in captain marvel. You can de-age an old man but you can’t take the old man out of his movements. And it just ended up with a weird combination of an old young man.", "You'd also think that if they're trying to polish their image for the sake of retaining customers, they'd also address the reasons people actually cancel their memberships, like the price going up when there's less content, canceled shows that are good, or increased injections of advertisements. Not a lot of people are canceling over the shows and movies they add, especially when they aren't prominently featured on the platform. Sure, something like Cuties is a great reason to not support Netflix, but all Netflix did with Always Sunny is host it. It isn't even exclusive.", "dragonball..\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\n \n\n\nplease don't kill me", "Saying that this adaptation is tonally missing the mark isn't gatekeeping lol. This looks bad even without the source material to compare it to. \n\nThe editing is impressive at least, but the dialogue sounds awful so far, the tone is leaning too hard into the wacky retro thing, and the characters feel lightly inspired by, rather than adapted from. \n\nI'm glad you and many others are excited and have your own opinions on the above, but disagreeing with that or stating any of the points above aren't gatekeeping, it's just criticism. This looks like the American Death Note adaptation levels of bad.", "Alita was better than Gunnm(anime).", "\"So, how's your bounty hunting?!\"", "The way your comment is written makes you look like a fucking asshole.", "And? That has nothing to do with you being completely inconsistent. In fact, it makes you look even dumber. \n\nBut I've had enough conversations on this site to know this is going nowhere so Im okay with us just agreeing that your comments are stupid and moving on with our days - Have a nice one.", "yes :(", "Yeah it seems like he's lacking the \"charming rogue\" characteristic.", "Fuck me. Thank you for posting that lovely edit.", "your prejudiced generalization doesnt actually mean anything though.\n\nnolan's batman trilogy is technically a \"cash grab\" but i sure as shit like it way more than the shitty old batman movies.\n\nit might be shit, sure, but i will at least wait to watch it myself to talk about it.", "Yeah, watching this it definitely feels more Scott Pilgrim/Edgar Wright than Cowboy Bebop. Right now I'm just going in thinking, \"it seems like it's going to be it's own thing. Let it be. Doesn't look like it'll live up to the original. Try to enjoy it for what it is and you might just enjoy something new.\"", "How is that gatekeeping?", "eh, suicide squad..", "It must be spread.", "I thought they were trying to depict comic book frames in a dynamic way. It's kind of clever--but yeah, a whole show of that would feel very disjointed.", "I know that movie was so shameful. My kid loved it so I guess it somehow hit its target audience.", "Wait what? There's no edward in the imdb cast list.\n\nWhere did ya hear that?\n\npls don't give me false hope", "Looks better than I thought. \n\nLooks fun and goofy at least but this resembles the snow even less now so I'm really just questioning the need for it to be cowboy Bebop.", "What about How The Grinch Stole Christmas?", "Lmao holy shit! What world are we in where YouTube comments are nicer and better? We are in weird times", "What lol. Not nearly.", "He practically is twice Spike's age. He'd be similar in age to Spike since the show came out in 1998 though", "I want to be super excited for this, but the tone seems way off/forced and the acting is just… well… awful", "Nooooo!!! That looks terrible....", "This looks so incredible and Jon Cho is perfect for the lead.", "How am I inconsistent? Any comment, no matter the number of upvotes, that claims that Cowboy Bebop is entirely a serious action anime is revealing they aren't CB fans and likely haven't watched the entire show. Since the other option is just that they're blatantly lying.\n\nThe vast majority of Bebop's 26 episodes were complete camp silliness, with various parodies of other genres and films.", "Kind of wish these were their own characters in the bebop universe", "Hadn't ever realized they made these! Are you referring to the 2016 live action film, or the 2017 live action Netflix series?", "Detective Pikachu is the only one I've seen that I liked.", "This doesn't look like it would come close to living up to the original. Who is the target audience here? Because it doesn't seem like it's for cowboy bebop fans.", "Hope this is an entry way for you into the anime too!", "It sounded like the fake voice chat Ubisoft always puts into their E3 trailer presentations.", "Considering the time constraints of squishing several seasons of heavily internalized back and forth monologue into a decently watchable coherant movie was an impressive feat for the live action Death Note movie.\n\nI certainly wasn't FMA live action disappointed at least. Now that one was a complete turd of a movie.", "looks like shit", "Animated show? no. But Scott Pilgrim Vs The World is an amazing adaptation of a comic so... at least there's that", "I agree, I didn't really understand the hate it got. The cowboy bebop show does not look good to me though", "All I want is that they do the detective/spaghetti western genre right. I think that is the core of bebop and hopefully they understood that", "Not sure what is cringiest.. the acting, the writing or the editing. \n\nCho looks way too old and doesn't have the stage presence to pull this off. He's over 20 years older than the character he's trying to play", "> Scott Pilgrim vibe\n\nAnd/or Stephen Chow.", "For the record, either live action adaptations of animated shows are impossible to pull off (you’d need evidence of that, and no even a near infinite number of failures are not sufficient evidence) or they just haven’t figured them out yet. If they simply haven’t figured it out then there is a huge pot of money waiting for whoever figures out the formula.", "It pains me that we probably won’t get the sequel that it deserves. I love this movie.", "I'll hold judgment until it comes out. Does have a fan-made feel to it but hoping it looks better.", "I can donate my neckbeard to you this winter since it seems so cold out there!\n\nSometimes you just need to let something die and not bastardize it. Certain things have learned to this properly. Others have not. This could be any movie with any original plot and characters to it. It's so far removed from the tone and feeling of actual Bebop that it is essentially something else altogether. Say you took inspiration from it and then create your own original thing if that's what you're guna do.\n\nThis is nothing more than a shameless, greedy cash grab using the name of something that's actually good to produce something that will garaunteed flop just as hard as the live action Avatar movie did. They're just relying on the nostalgia for marketing reasons.", "I was so cautiously skeptical and just hoping it would look good, I have to say, this actually looks good? The editing looks top notch and super trippy, I’m down for this.", "I've got a kid who is into anime. From the bits and pieces I have seen, it's pretty out there. I'm saying it doesn't have to match the tone of the source material if the premise and tone doesn't translate to wider western audiences. Guardians of the Galaxy is ridiculous and over the top as well. It was the most \"irreverent\" of the MCU movies. The source material was western to begin with so that irreverence was built in to connect with the readership. That component of not taking itself too seriously is the vehicle that allowed a raccoon, a tree, a Draw, a moth girl, etc... to be told without excessive eye-rolling. I think the filmmakers looked to that lesson of: here's a way to tell insane stories with commercial acceptance. There have also been \"swing and a miss\" movies using that same assumption (Suicide Squad).", "> as long as they don’t go too overboard with tongue in cheek gags\n\nThat is all this trailer was...", "> you moron\n\nbeing rude to people while talking about a subject. See ya.", "That is what the English dubs sound like in every anime too", "It feels like the new creators only ever watched the intro and decided to turn that into the whole show", "Dad at 7? impressive.", "Campy? Weird.\n\n\nAnd that's a far cry from \"horrible.\"", "you havent even fucking seen the show lmao how do you talk so decisively on something you know nothing about? completely full of shit lmao", "> I like John Cho but he absolutely lacks the charisma and personality that Spike exudes throughout the series.\n\n100% agree. Who on earth thought Harold from White Castle would make the right Spike?\n\nSpike is a laconic character who speaks not through words, but action. Where he looks, how his body moves, who he chooses to help, even the music or cinematography that surround these behaviors--all of it creates that \"charisma,\" the kind an actor is either born with or not.\n\nFor me, Cho doesn't have it.\n\nThey could've had Rami Malek or Hail, Cesar!'s Alden Ehrenreich. A young Heath Ledger (RIP) would've been ideal. All are actors whose simple presence makes you feel something.\n\nCho had never even seen CB before he signed on. What the fuck? \n\nI'm not trying to be gate-keepy here, but I don't think anyone without an experienced understanding of the way anime does storytelling is going to successfully do it justice in a live action format, let alone for western audiences. \n\nThe tone and acting are already all over the place. Seeing it just makes me want to watch the original again lol. At least Kanno's cooking up some new music?", "No it wasn't. Nolan's Batman trilogy was intended to make money, but not at the cost of alienating fans like cash grabs do.", "Noodles first…. Baby, yeah!", "Just chiming in because it's rare this movie gets mentioned, but I love it too. It's so unironic and sincere and it shows, the visuals are ridiculous and it's just a great time of a movie. Never fails to make me smile...and get that damn song stuck in my head.", "why? because in retrospect it worked out? what if it had been bad? do you understand how ridiculous your arguments are?", "Considering the number of people whining about it and claiming that Bebop is meant to be a serious action show, I can presume they're not actual CB fans, since it's obvious they haven't watched the actual 26 episodes, of which the vast majority were complete camp and cornball parodies of genres and films. \n\nSo the target audience is people who have actually watched Cowboy Bebop. Not people who claim they have and they only watched the Spike backstory episodes.", "I'm actually getting my hopes up for this. I'm treating it as a fan made parody/abridged series.", "How the hell do you have time to sketch anything in that movie? It all goes by so fast.", "If this is the tone, it's complete garbage. Terrible.", "These comments are a good reminder why we so rarely get fun things. This is using the medium to do something interesting, I love that sort of shit. Titane recently had some of that and it's fantastic. \n\nI hope the show is like this at times, at this point, the people who need this remake to be enough like the original in X ways to be on board are never going to be on board, so I hope they go for it.", "Hey nut buckets? \n\nI was trying to be optimistic, but that is some very ROUGH dialogue. Jesus. \n\nAnd that is NOT how I remember Faye Valentine. \n\nThis now looks bad to me.", "I cannot explain why he was picked for this role. He bears some (not much) resemblance to the anime Spike, but his acting isn't that great, and he is WAY too old (Spike is supposed to be in his late 20s). I'd love to know the history/logic for this casting.", "I want to like it, but everything that Netflix puts out ends up being entertaining garbage.", "No it wasn't.", "I was really hoping for the best but not getting my hopes too high, I loved the show and have rewatched the entire serious probably 4 or 5 times by now, and I thought this trailer was actually good and trippy. I’m actually cautiously optimistic now for something really unique.", "And it was so so good.", "This feels more like a high-production youtube video.", "Stiff acting is actually perfect for anime. I want a scene where nothing moves but their mouths.", "IMO it was", "The worst part about this is the stupid comments hating on it.", "is this canon?", "Well they definitely overdid the seperation bar gag here. It only needed to be done once to get the joke.", "Of course you’re downvoted, despite being factually correct…", "Gatekeeping is saying that if people don't have an esoteric level of knowledge of the anime series then they aren't entitled to an opinion of the live action tv show. Calling someone out for lying about something is not gatekeeping.", "It definitely was. Maybe 'so so' was a bad choice of words. It's one of my favorite action movies in recent memory.", "Detective Pikachu was pretty good. \n\nSonic was alright.\n\nMortal Kombat was...eh. but not BAD.\n\nScooby-Doo movies are a gem and a half.", "Bruh I don't think anyone could have said it better. Exactly this.", "We going full Sonic, huh?", "The Wachowskis should have been given the chance to make Alice in wonderland with the visual style of Speed Racer. Speed racer had such amazing creative visuals for the time but got obscured by a bad movie. Didn't even get nominated for a sfx emmy", "Yes the portrayal of Faye is quite interesting. Not great.", "It may still, Rodriguez seems to really want to do it and is willing to use Boba Fett as his way of swaying Disney into making the sequel.\n\n>I’m trying to see what happens with Boba Fett, I think that’s going to knock people’s socks off so when that happens I will go in and say, ok, I’ve been here for a while, let’s figure out how we can do Alita whether it’s for streaming or theatrical because it’s such a great property, people love it, I love it and Jim [Cameron] loves it. We just talked about it recently again, about how can we do this, what’s the best way to approach it, I think it’ll be me going in there with him to talk about it because I’m doing a lot of stuff for them [Disney] now.\n\nhttps://www.cinemablend.com/news/2572761/robert-rodriguez-talks-alita-battle-angel-sequel-star-wars-book-of-boba-fett-disney", "IDK mob psycho 100 live action wasn't bad. IT was VERY anime and cheesy but it fit.", "*THEY CUT ED?!", "Live action Esurance commercials have gone too far", "Maybe from the American side... But there are some good Japanese live action movies such as Ruroni Kenshin, Blade of the Immortal, and personally I was a fan of Grand Blue Dreaming's spin on the IP.", "This feels more like an especially well made fan film than an actual series.\n\nExcept for the actor playing Jet who is 100% amazing!", "Spike could have at least been played by someone in their 30s.\n\nI wanna like this, but it just swings and misses.", "https://youtu.be/0Nd693I5X1E", "I think a lot of the hate revolved around scarjo playing major and whitewashing it, but she's literally a mind in a robot body like why is it even a big deal. Some of the sequences in that movie were pretty great. I don't know, I enjoyed it, 7/10 perhaps.", "I have to agree I just cannot see him as spike. Sad to say but seems like spike and possibly Faye were not cast correctly. Just my opinion but I am not a fan of this trailer at all.", "Awesome! I’m so glad he still and Cameron still want to do it.", "Honestly, Jet has always kinda read as black to me. That's about the only thing in this trailer I'm ok with.", "I cringe every time Daniella Pineda opens her mouth. It's like she heard about Faye from someone who heard about Faye from a fan. They really need to make the actors watch the source material before taking these roles.", "Like a mid 2000s College Humor video", "I didn't absolutely hate the Bleach adaptation. But it wasn't great either. But neither is Bleach so yeah.", "I think the biggest takeaway is that the trailer is all action and jumping around. Bebop is a show that reveled in it's slow character building moments and occasionally had some fun quick action. \n\nObviously a trailer needs to be more exciting, but the characters as we've seen them here really are not well written or well acted which doesn't give me much confidence for those quiet moments being any good at all.", "I literally have never seen the source material, besides hearing the intro song, but this looks promising. I am will enjoy going into it blind.", "To all the people saying this teaser doesn't fit the tone of the show, you know this is a bit right?", "> Hell they should have just fuckin hired Beau Billingslea\n\nExactly, and he's black!!! They already changed the character's race to the same as the voice actor for fuck's sake. Why would they not get the original actor to do it if they wanted a black guy???\n\nThis shit is why people hate Hollywood \"adapting\" stuff.", "I was hesitant after the intro trailer, but this looks enjoyable.\n\nIt doesn't have to be a shot for shot clone in substance and spirit of the original to be good. The original is a classic, and at least we'll still have that.\n\nDare I dream that Netflix grasps the gravity of this venture and does it such justice (albeit differently stylized) that we get more* live action unique storyline than them simply remaking the original?\n\nThe Boys and The Walking Dead are both pretty drastically different from their source material, but are still good in their own way - so there's hope. I'm just hoping they can manage to not step on the original's toes enough to make a seriously good run with it.\n\n\nAnd to anyone saying \"this is too tongue in cheek and not at all completely serious like the original,\" the mushroom samba AND toys in the attic would like a fucking word.", "… all I’m saying is it’s better they spent less money on promotion than the show. Obviously it will look worse. It costs less. It’s made by advertising companies rather than the original filmmakers. The purpose is not entertainment, it’s advertising. That’s how things work. This is s teaser. Though, if the trailer comes out snd it looks this amateurish, I will come back snd acknowledge I was wrong.", "I totally forgot that existed. That looks awful!", "I want to like this, but I think if anyone is going to not be let down, we're going to have to go in without expecting anything like the anime. This trailer was fun and I feel like they are genuinely trying, but it doesn't feel right.\n\nI'm sure I'm nitpicking, but Spike makes a point to fight much more fluidly than the trailer. \"Become clear like water\" He just pulls some hard Matrix tricks and beats down the crowd, but anime Spike is much more defensive and turns the attacks against him into offensive deflection.", "For a trailer, I thought the tone was perfect.", "Yeah see, Constantine and Live Die Repeat as an examples. A completely different take from the source material but great and enjoyable film.", "/r/chichandidnothingwrong", "In case you haven't seen it this is the interview that this skit is loosely based on. Fucking comedy gold.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWS6qyy7bw", "this feels like a Freddy Wong video circa 2014", "Who claims they've watched something without doing so lol? I've never heard anyone consider cowboy bebop an action show either, it's a sci-fi drama more than anything else. You seem like the kind of person who's going to reply to me with 3 paragraphs of incoherent garbage so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.", "That height ain't much of a difference.", "This will be exactly as i expected", "I'm not saying she should be wearing her three or four total outfits from the show. I actually did the opposite and said that they couldn't have gotten away with that if they tried. \n\nI was saying that the comment that she should be \"sexier\" doesn't necessarily make someone a basement dwelling misogynist(which is what the person I replied to said before the delete/edit) since it was a well defined part of her character and background set up in the show. I wouldn't rule it out either, but it was a bit of a jump to get there.", "Technically speaking, I'm sure the Marvel and Dark Knight movies count seeing as they all had animation portrayals that preceded them, and almost every single, if not every single, one of these failing animated movies had a comic book/manga origin, especially in Japan.. I would have to say that is the generally more successful formula so they should probably go the Marvel route when trying to adapt these, not just the animated to live-action movie route.", "Wow this looks god awful.", "I really don't know how I feel about this. Wheres Edward? That will make it or break it for me", "I got goosebumps from this and idk if that’s a good thing or a bad thing", "This trailer didn't do much to help sell to those already familiar with the property. Compare it to [Cowboy Bebop The Movie trailer.](https://youtu.be/2EkxOBH1eZ0)\n\nThe latter uses voice over, various scenes of intense action to come, genuinely funny moments of dialogue, and a real look at an interesting and unique sci-fi universe.\n\nIn comparison, this new trailer felt very reductionist in characterization. It felt like the trailer is saying, \"Here is the core trait of each character that will cause them to not gel with the others and how we will attempt to derive comedy from it. Also Spike not getting food is going to be a recurring joke. And he's going to have some weird visions.\"\n\nI enjoyed the playing with the lines and some of the editing, but it was over done and really over emphasized by the egregious sound effects. And man was the dialogue attricuious. Bad on the page and bad in delivery.\n\nThe final scene bickering about the bounty felt the most right. I like the casting for the most part. Don't mind John Cho being older. And I do think if he's given more than this trailer, he can deliver a great dramatic performance that is the mix of funny and nihilistic that Spike is known for.\n\nBut the fight scenes and energy between the characters (including antagonism) needs to be way better to not come off as just a hoakey tone deaf imitation.", "Why is it tainted?", "I feel like a lot of people are comparing this to the image of Bebop they have in their heads from when they last watched the show 10 years ago. \"Doesn't fit the tone\" is kind of a weird critique imo when the show itself had very tonally disparate episodes. That was part of the charm. Sometimes life is slow, dark. Sometimes it's fast and frenetic. It doesn't fit the tone of some of the darker and introspective episodes but that wasn't everything Bebop had to offer. There are episodes devoted to capturing a corgi and being high on shrooms and I loved those just as much as the more mature ones.", "Have to agree. It bums me out but this looks god awful.", "This looks like a bad SNL parody. \n\nThat acting and overall aesthetic is so corny. I thought Cho usually does quite well but maybe its the direction or dialogue that makes it all wooden and stiff.\n\nReminds me of what a 5 year old thinks cool adults would look and sound like", "Your mom is calling. The tendies are done lol.", "I don't even think the sets are that bad. It's the acting, costumes, and like you said \"poor tonal feel\" that makes the whole thing feel tacky and cheap. They look like they're wearing Halloween costumes of the characters they're playing, especially Cho.\n\nIt's a pity that they can't get the acting down especially since the original has one of the best English dubs in Anime history. Jet seems like the only redeeming one.", "I have such a weird feeling about this. Why the hell is everything primary colors? The is Cowboy Bebop, not Suspiria. And the writing, while it feels like dialogue from an anime, just doesn’t feel right with live action.", "I saw Ein. I’m in.", "/r/fuckyouchichan", "What... is this. Cowboy Bebop had actual cinematography and atmosphere. This is like some comedy thing with fast cuts and people quipping at each other.", "Same age difference as Tenacious D. Should have gotten Jack Black to play Spike.", "From what I've seen of it, My Love Story knocked it out of the park.", "Why'd they cast Spike as like a 40yr old man??! lmao", "The creator got arrested for some pretty bad stuff", "They never had any money for real noodles, they only had cup noodles. It was a whole thing baby yeah!", "It was fine, good visuals, but no meat. It eschews the social commentary and intrigue the source material was known for and serves up some typical bland sci-fi good vs bad plot.", "Gotum?", "She was in physical combat briefly during...I'm pretty sure it was Jupiter Jazz Pt. 1? I remember her kicking the hell out of some dudes.\n\nObligatory \"this show looks terrible and the tone is all wrong.\"", "You've just reopened a wound I thought healed. We deserve more seasons.", "The english voice actor was also black.", "The legacy of cowboy bebop? My guy if it’s bad just don’t watch it and ignore it. Like the way ATLA fans ignore the shitty live action film. If it’s gonna be deathnote - that sucks! But the originals will still be there after!", "Yeah, they got the goofiness way too overboard, I hope they don't forget that Cowboy Bebop has its serious moments too.", "No. Just haven’t revealed it yet", "yup this. DBZ set that bar. The only thing you could say was that at least DBZ was trying to change the timeline and base it kinda on the anime where as Avatar was trying to remake it the same... Just so bad, both of them.", "Remember when Netflix had a live action of Full metal Alchemist. Ya that shit was trash.", "I turned off the trailer after a minute. The shifting scenes did it for me.", "Just Netflix casting at work. They would rather slap on a relevant actor with little similarities to the character than a fantastic up and coming actor as the main character. I love John Cho, but as someone who has never seen Cowboy Bebop, he still just feels off.", "I thought it was well done for live action take, I really enjoy the movie. I'm not super convinced by this trailer for Cowboy Bebop though =/", "Live action Death Note Netflix production is hot garbage.", "Eh, she could definitely be a femme fatale type without the yellow bikini thing. Seems like she's a totally different character here though.", "This will be great", "God damn that intro music gets me every time and I don’t even like anime.", "Like it or hate it, we can all agree: Mustafa Shakir is killing it as Jet Black.", "I loved it but I never was into the anime/manga so I had nothing to compare it to. And I love Christoph Waltz in anything he does.", "This feels like a terrible adaptation of the original. \nMaybe it is just for the trailer. But if the thing is going to be like that, I will not be watching it. It feels really bad. They are making the whole original as a joke.", "Oh, gotcha.", "Well...this looks absolutely terrible. Holy crap, everything but the editing was just horrific. They didn't capture the feeling of anything. John Cho does not sound or feel like Spike. The music is shit and poorly integrated. Faye looks like some kind of weird Avon ghoul saleslady. What an abortion of a cash grab.\n\nAlso wasn't Spike Siegal...clearly white in the show? I thought he was German Jewish? John Cho wasn't pulling off the lackadaisical attitude I'd associate with him either.", "I know basically nothing about the anime but loved this trailer, fight me.", "The characters actually acting sounded bland and unnatural compared to the over-the-top medium they are trying to capture.", "omg what is this. =D \n\nNetflix Anime adaptations have become a great meme. Kinda like Sharknado.", "Thanks for taking the time to let me know you don't care.", "Yeah I'm really bummed at what I saw. Then again it's been a decade+ since I last saw Cowboy Bebop.", "I was thinking that and really not expecting it to come up so early in the comments. High fives all around.", "I think the bad acting was the point", "Good Amazon shows = cancelled, crap shows = 12 seasons.", "The twitter account was \"hacked\" today by her and she's being shown off tomorrow. Also in interviews, the showrunner already confirmed she will be appearing in some form.", "How can you tell what it is from 5 min teaser where they just jammed some silliness in to show the characters?", "They should have gotten Guy Ritchie to direct the trailer.", "That made me motion sick lol", "The skittish tone of this trailer reminds me of the wacky, meta post-credit teasers in the original show. I think it's a good sign they've clearly not decided to go down a dark, gritty, path only. That said, I'm still prepared to be disappointed...", "Yeah, Dragon Ball: Evolution burned some of us raised on Toonami in the mid 2000's. It's been quite a while since I watched Bebop, I'll have to give it a watch again.", "fucking netflix.", "I've never done drugs and watched Kung Fu, but after this I think I know what it would be like.", "It felt like acting from like CW or something. I dunno what it was. Just not...smooth enough or something? Also I wanted to see Ed and Ein, I think we saw Ein next to the table at the end but not much to go on.", "I think Death Note would have been much better received with an editing pass and a subtitle.\n\n There are scenes in that movie which are pure comedy, as in shot with the intention to be funny, and were ruined by editing choices. The one that springs to mind is Ryuk's first appearance. He grows in the shadows and is all spooky and talking and then it cuts to Light and he has a (genuinely) funny comedy yelp. It's just a small bit, however, the music and cuts convey a super serious scene.\n\nIf you lighten (Ha!) up the super serious editing and toss on a subtitle like, \"Death Note: Alternate Origins\", it could have been seen as a fun, live-action adaptation ala Rurouni Kenshin. \n\nBUT NETFLIX GON' NETFLIX SO WHAT DO I KNOW.", "Yeah, well, I don't know, too Disneyish for my taste", "I see a Friends reference I upvote, that's the law.", "I’m vibing with it too! I think it looks pretty decent. I like how a lot of these weebs don’t even realize this is a one-off video and not a trailer so it’s going to be different In tone than the show. I think it will do pretty well. I bet these are the same folks who said the Witcher Tv series was going to be trash. \n\nI’m excited, I think translating anime to live action is like turning a song into a visual sculpture. It will never be exactly the same, bust as long as it gets the key elements right you can still appreciate it for being an enjoyable piece of work.", "Yeah, I mean it seemed like just an advertising skit. I wouldn't be surprised if the tone of the main show is entirely different", "That Spongebob Squarepants episode where the voice actors played their respective roles comes to mind.", "I'll give this a shot, but this was not encouraging at all.", "Cosplay Bebop in which Spike comes across as a martial artist instead of a gangster and Vicious (one of the few actually serious elements in the show) is portrayed as an edgy joke. Disrespectful to this classic and a hard pass from me.", "I feel like I'm watching a parody of the show within the show.\n\nLike Wormhole X-treme from Stargate SG1\n\nSomething that resembles the original but turned up to 11 with obviously cheap production to mock the premise of original.", "I think you hit the nail on the head. What's got me so turned off is the way Spike moves. A big part of Spike's personality shows through in the way he moves, especially when fighting. He's a practitioner of Jeet Kune Do, which is less of a martial practice and more of a philosophy. It boils down to: Do what you have to do, borrow moves from anywhere you like, but do so with as little wasted movement as possible. It gives plenty of wiggle room for the choreographers, but it also means he should be the exact opposite of a flashy fighter. He's impressive because he's able to lazily kick someone's ass.\n\n I don't want to see Spike backflipping and pulling a staff from the fourth wall. I want to see Spike handling five against one by casually letting a bad guy run right into one of his high kicks while weaving around like a drunkard with his hands in his pockets so they punch one another instead of punching him. The action of a Spike Speagle fight should come from the opposition, while he should look... kinda bored.\n\nIt looks like they did a great job with the casting. I'd watch this if I already had a netflix subscription, but I'm not going to start the service back up just to risk checking this out.", "I hate anime but I wanna watch", "Fuck this shitty adaption.", "This actually might be pretty good", "Yes let's take something classic that everybody knows and totally fuck it up", "Faye was more the threatening and backstabbing kind, only starting things when she knew she would win, the smart thing to do. The episode with her video tape is still one of the favorite moments of the show for me.", "Financial? No clue.\n\nQuality? Alita, it was better than Gunnm(the anime), although technically like most anime it was based off of a manga.", "It was Faye", "The tone reminds me of the end of each episode when they would describe the next episode.", "Oh man his talent was wasted in Snake Eyes, what a disappointing movie", "It's like they forgot about mushroom samba", "I feel like these shots must be just for the teaser, because otherwise it looked really cheap and almost fan-video YouTube-esque.", "Sakeru Gummy 😳", "John Cho is almost 50 actually lol", "I actually feel like Spikes backstory is exactly what makes 27 not make much sense as his age. Like, he had an entire career with the cartel, left, and has seemingly been doing bounties for a while until his past catches up with him. That works better in my mind if all these things take place over decades rather than like 8 years.\n\nI honeslty never knew he was supposed to be 27 until this started getting talked about. I always assumed Spike was in his mid 30s, jet was somewhere getting close to 50, and Faye was like 30 or so.", "I like the trailer, excited to see the release. Will hold off on rewatching the original series until after", "This actually looks good", "At least in Spike's case it's a variation of the ronin trope, wandering and aimless without the hierarchy they were formerly bound to. Crosed with Lupin, of course. I don't know that most of them have such a clear media ancestor, except maybe Spike himself.", "Not a trailer for those of you who can’t be bothered to read. It’s a one-off video. \n\nCapturing the Cosmic chicken soup that is Cowboy Bebop in a stand alone short is a tough task, so just enjoy it for what it is. It doesn’t take away your beloved anime, it just broadens the appeal to a larger audience who will then watch your anime and breath new life into the IP.", "No", "Yo awesome! Thanks for the tip!", "Wow, you reaally must not care lol", "Dragonball Evolution says hi", "Hell yes, give me some [What Planet Is This?](https://youtu.be/Q7vrK7pAhtc) representation! Everybody knows Tank!, and yeah, it's good, and yeah, it makes sense to have that be the trailer song, but I love that they actually used something else in the trailer too!", "Captain Holt is that you?", "Comedy can be dark, doesn't mean it's not comedy. \n\n>moody, introspective moments break up that comedy and action to bring everything down to earth and ground the characters\n\nGood job missing this part, Sherlock", "All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all you motherfucks are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob.", "Even \"my funny valentine\" and \"speak like a child\" had some goofy moments", "Hopefully it's just the trailer but they all seem a bit too \"shouty\". People saying Jet was the best, I thought he was the worst... he was the calm, level-headed and reasonable one of the group originally, in this they made him into the angry aggressive black man trope. \n\nFaye is also supposed to be rather laid back and sly with a hint of sadness, all while rocking that sweet hooker fashion. Instead she's just another liberal Asian tiger lady trope. Wait I don't know why she's a liberal. Nix that\n\nSpike seems like he's constantly anxious and suffers dementia but just happens to remember kung fu and beats up women, which is uncommon in TV shows even when women are villains. He was more of a cool and care free character with a soft spot for women due to his past.\n\nI'm probably wrong but oh well", "Why is Fae teaching them how to bounty???? That's REALLY off character..... I really hope they fix/change her attitude...she seems too bossy, I like how's she still tomboyish, but she shouldn't be teaching Jet or Spike... Seems like that would mess up her background story..", "The lack of E and E still has me worried", "He was sitting next to the table at the end", "Wasn't Keanu originally in talks for the role when this was only a rumor? Feels like he would've been able to bring out Spike a bit more.", "I'm still going to watch. But this does not change my mind that it is going to be hot garbage. But imagine how pleasantly surprised I will be if it turns out that all of my beliefs were wrong.", "The trumpets gave me goosebumps so I guess I'm all in.", "Zip zop zoobity zoobity bop", "I think it looks amazing and captures a lot of the vibes of the chars and episodes. Y'all are pessimistic and downers", "Ya Mushroom Samba was one of my favourite eps.... \nRadical Ed and Ein were my fave chars, though, and they set the tone for my experience of the show.", "All three of them felt a good 5-10 years older then their official ages anyway.", "But have you considered yes it was?", "subjectively", "God i would love to see her live. If i can hear \"dance of curse\" live with a real orchestra, i could die happy", "Honestly, it looks fun. Just doesn't feel like Bebop. I might just watch it and pretend it's a completely unrelated space opera show, will probably be better for everyone that way.", "Because it might be good? I mean, I'm not a fan of this adaption either, but might as well watch 1 episode because I already have a Netflix subscription. If it's shit I won't continue watching.", "Thought this looked great.", "And the lack of ed and ein...", "I love Cowboy Bebop and am looking forward to a new version. It might suck, it might not. It won't be exactly the same and it looks like they are bringing at least a few cool ideas to the table.\n\nI will watch it, won't expect it to be exactly the same as the anime while expecting it to bring something different but interesting. I will try to have fun, and will drop it if I don't.", "I'm going to have to pretend i've never even heard of Cowboy Bebop if I go see this to even have a chance of liking it. I have a bad feeling about this...", "Perfect summary.", "I thought it was a fairly competent adaptation of some shit books.", "Lol poorly made flop, at least they might not make a live action version of an anime for awhile", "No, it's fact.", "Every time I see Kenshin brought up it makes me so sad. It was such a huge influence on me getting into Japanese culture and anime in general and now it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. \nI still can’t seem to get ride of all my old manga but I just leave it in a box separate from my other graphic novels.", "I can’t tell if this is going to be awesome or awful, and I kind of get the feeling that maybe that’s the intent, and…\n\nWell, to be frank that doesn’t give me a great deal of hope that it isn’t* the latter.\n\nThen again, in fairness, Bebop is one of the best anime of all time, bar fucking none. Making a live-action was always going to be a hell of a task.\n\nAnd in further fairness, it’s not always a gritty, noir space dystopia. There are moments of comfort & warmth where the crew feels like a family of outcasts thrown together by circumstance. There are also entire episodes of straight-up camp comedy. Spike isn’t just a hard-boiled cigarette-smoking kung-fu bounty hunter who is haunted by his dark past, he’s also kind of a dork.\n\nThat depth in the characters, narrative, settings - all of it - that’s what makes it one of the best of all time. There’s other reasons as well, of course.\n\nHonestly my hopes were never high for this adaptation. My hopes were never high for ANY live-action adaptation, and given the state of the anime industry today my hopes wouldn’t be high for something like a new OVA / film. I think that’s a pretty common feeling, and it’s reasonable to imagine that the people who made this are aware of that. With that in mind, you gotta kind of respect the outright balls it took to make it, especially with the tone this is conveying. The “safe(r)” option would’ve been to make something serious, dark, and subdued with flashes or brutality.\n\nOn the other hand, it’s a live-action adaptation of a beloved classic anime series, and the track record for those not being ill-conceived, poorly made cash grabs (especially when that big red N shows up) is… not great.\n\nSo, yeah.\n\nI have no idea what to think.\n\nIt looks like it might be fun, but there’s a few good reasons to believe it’s going to be as close to the opposite as anything could be.\n\nI guess we’ll just have to wait and see, but the first look isn’t a clear indication that it’s going to be an insult to the source material and that’s honestly kind of high praise. Which again just goes to show where my expectations were.", "This is going to be bad. The acting makes me cringe, the dialogue is stupid and makes me wonder who actually wrote it. \n\nWhy must great animated series get buck fucked into the ground again and again? Avatar, Death Note, now this. Why do they hire people who have no interest in the source material to remake it?", "Young Crispin Glover just after he did Charles Angels.", "Seriously, those sword fights were next fucking level, I was not expecting that.", "Faye felt less like Faye and more like Awkwafina in any of her movies.", "Well people have just about every single live action anime adaption to go off of (many of those being terrible Netflix-produced ones).", "No dog or child hacker prodigy. While this makes me sad, I'll give the series a chance because I found the He-man reboot, from Kevin Smith, to be enjoyable. Despite the man children who screeched about it, I felt the series breathed some fresh life into where the original He-Man left off. So I'll keep an open mind to this Cowboy Bebop series in the same manner as well.", "Yes! That's a great way of putting it, \"unironic and sincere,\" and it shows. Perfect synopsis.", "This looks like fucking ass.", "Let’s hope that in the actual live action series they don’t blur out or generalize the background like they did with pretty much all the shots in this trailer. \n\nIt feels like Netflix keeps forgetting that a huge part of anime series like this (and Ghost in the shell and pretty much anything they live-adapted) are the stories of dystopian worlds, cultural mixes in a world where localized earth culture doesn’t make sense anymore. The long shots showing off the daily life in the environment of the characters. Where trash, fancy places and nature tell their own stories woven with the stories of the characters. \n\nIn a lot of (if not all of them) Netflix adaptations the backgrounds seem to be thrown together; a random wall, some meaningless japanese neon or paint signs… I don’t know.\n\nThat said, looks like a nice movie that’ll get a new audience of peeps hooked to the old series ;)\n\nBut more importantly: where is Ed and is anyone seeing the bunch of old farts at the saloon playing cards?", "In other words, what the fuck and WHY the fuck?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-1Ue0FFrHY", "Yeah my mom is one of those people, she won’t even watch anything that’s like science fiction or fantasy. Nothing that isn’t “real”. Animation? Forget about it.\n\nWas really annoying growing up because she basically controlled the TV.", "That… actually looks good! I like the casting, and it seems like the goofy spirit is here. Now to see how they deal with the melancholy and sadness part of the show.", "Maybe they just haven't shown it yet.\n\nThat, or it's set before they met Ed and Ein.\n\nAnd also, probably better than some horrific CG version of Ein anyways.", "I guess there's no accounting for lack of taste.\n\nOh well, your loss.", "Great Teacher Onizuka 1998 TV series\n\nGokusen TV series\n\nBoys Over Flowers TV series (Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese adaptation)", "I wasn't sure but this actually looks quite good. The transitions in this trailer were a lot of fun.", "This is gonna be a trainwreck.", "Just saw that this was a thing and was wondering if it was worth watching. That clips sold me so I’ll need to check it out.", "Wow this looks awful", "This looks like TV for people with ADD.", "No Ein or Ed .5/10.", "Cowboy Bebop fans include OG weebs from before weebs were a thing. Aging, middle-aged OG weebs who were never even close to accepted in their life because the internet was barely a thing, then. Who are starting to get grumpy at changes in the world when they were never the most emotionally stable people in the world. And these middle aged weebs (and I am including myself here) have also been on Reddit forever. They are (understandably) defensive of the world seeing any potential bad side of something they love - they have been hurt before - and will react badly to any potential 'destruction of my childhood/teens/early 20s' by breaking the thing with kneejerk cynicism before anyone else can hurt them. If they hate it first, it's not their fault if you hate it! And mixed in with an increasingly middle-aged take of 'change is bad and scary'.\n\nThere are legit critical comments here, but a Netflix adapted live action of a classic anime will also bring out the Old Man of 4Chan side of Reddit like bait. You can see the nostalgia-goggles most clearly on any comment that thinks Bebop being in any way 'funny' 'silly' or 'goofy' is not Bebop... Because sections of every episode and often entire streaks of episodes were all of these things.\n\nThey are bounty hunters on spaceships who - almost every episode - watch tiny cathode-ray TVs where TV presenters dress in over the top cowboy gear on a Western-Themed gameshow/news hour about catching criminals with cheesy music and fake revolvers. Bebop was cheesy, funny, tonally weird and experimental and the nostalgia-goggles have made half of these commenters forget it.", "Oh man it’s sad to see that people didn’t think it was that good. I remember watching it in IMAX when it came out and thought that it was one of the best theatre experiences I’ve had.", "Ok so are they acting or just on the phone??", "This looks like a great series if it didn't carry the Cowboy Bebop name.", "Not even playing Tank properly cements everything wr need to know about the show", "Kill Bill is exactly the tone they should've gone for. Kill Bill has immature yet funny moments, but there's a serious through line.", "I just don’t understand the choice to change it from a thriller to a romantic action movie. And the thing is a lot of people unfamiliar with the source material enjoyed it. My mom and step dad thought it was a solid movie and it feels like it’s robbing people of what is in my opinion a masterfully told story for the most part", "Sqweeeeeeeeeeeee", ">The introspection on the characters in the darker episode entirely set the overall tone of the show\n\nI mean, I just disagree with this. I think there is an overuse and broadening the meaning of the word \"dark\" going on here, including by myself. It can be serious or dramatic, but that doesn't make it dark. It's also the kind of show that can mean different things to different people because it's a mix of so many different genres.\n\nAt the end of the day you can have your opinion and I'll have mine, but I didn't appreciate being accused of minimizing mental health issues. That was pretty out of left field and verged on putting words in my mouth.", "Wouldn't that be the principle, though? That they just don't prefer that medium? It's not weird to not like anime.", "What did you do to cowboy bebop. YOU KILLED THEM. why is Faye Valentine like that?", "And most of those feature 2 important characters wr are missing", "I already said this elsewhere as well but I don't really count Japanese live-action movies in the same category. Don't get me wrong, they might be good, but they're not the same as Hollywood/American high-budget remakes. Just the fact that they are Japanese affords them a lot more leniency in a lot of different metrics. \n\nI should have maybe made it more clear, but I am referring to mainstream adaptations. The Japanese cinema scene is just too saturated with anime re-makes and spin-offs.", "The actors look nothing like their original counter parts. Sigh hard pass for me.", "Agreed. Want to love it, but have to hate it. Spike is all wrong - Cho looks more concerned and confused (and old) than Spike ever would. Faye is all wrong too - she's not as sassy as she should be. Faye should be casual/sassy annoyed, and a little less angry annoyed. It's just all wrong. Especially Spike.", "This is something we never wanted or needed.", " I think Faye is the worst of the trio and I think Jet is actually really good in the little we saw of him.", "Quite a few strange decisions here:\n\n1) They're using the same score. I love that score, but this is something new. If they'd hired Yoko Kanno to write a whole bunch of new tracks inspired by her original score they'd be in a better place. I'd also have new stuff to listen to that I'd be excited by.\n\nEdit - Apparently they did do this, but included none of it in the trailer. They should have teased something, because without it I'm concerned it'll be a bad cosplay of the original. \n\n2) Cho is a much older Spike, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as his back story was always far more complicated than his canonical age was. It does mean that he doesn't move like Spike, though.\n\nThey're trying to carbon copy the cartoon version with the suit and stunt double. \n\n3) Jet seems like he stepped right out of the cartoon. Because the other two don't it's a little shocking. \n\n4) They've completely de-sexualised Faye. I realise that the original characterisation of her was hyper sexualised, but when you unpack her character later it makes sense as to why. She's a mess of a person, yet Jet and Spike treat her like a sister all the same despite how she presents herself. They ignore how she presents herself because they understand who she is underneath. She's in a safe space with them, no matter how many times she tries to ruin it. \n\nI can understand why they'd cut it, but without that she's a completely different character. I have no idea what they've made Faye now, and it may be a positive change, but it's not Bebop Faye.", "Looks good.", "It gives me weird feelings; on the one hand it looks like a lot of fun, on the other, it looks nothing like cowboy bebop.", "This looks fun, the trailer doesn’t capture the more serious stuff but i think i’ll be entretained", "And he found out from a tweet after being the exclusive voice of him. Such a dick move. He almost got cast as Negan in the walking dead. I can't decide if that would've been awesome or terrible.", "Is this what the show will be like? If so, I'm out.", "I personally won't downvote you, but I think that movie was terrible. I also really don't like the anime either, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.", "Same. It's in my top 10 for sure.", "Spike is a very physical character, so you'd just get De Niro in The Irishman. No amount of movie magic can make old people move like young people.", "> when bebop is really a dark action show with funny moments.\n\nIf anything, I think it's closer to being an action/comedy with dark and serious parts than the other way around. The tone of the show is goofy or offbeat way more often than it is dark and serious. At the very least I wouldn't say the overall tone is dark. I think the dark and serious parts really stand out and stick with you because the tone of the series is generally more funny and/or offbeat. If the anime were just coming out and had a trailer made for it, I wouldn't expect anything beyond a small hint at the shows darker moments.\n\nI'm still skeptical (at best) that this show has any chance of being good, but not because of the trailer. Mostly it's a combination of the general trend of live-action adaptations of anime being terrible and Bebop being so iconic for me just as it was that any attempt to recapture it (live-action or not) just feels impossible.", "All the top comments are negative as heck, but why does everyone want to watch the same show, just with real people? I sure as hell don't. Just go watch the OG if that's what you want. Let them retell it differently. Honestly, I kind of like the new vibe they've given it, and interested to see what it looks like as a finished product.", "It's my go-to shroom movie", "He also hurt his knee apparently. That's like the worst thing that could've happened for this production.", "I’d say the 70s cop show is one of the few genres Cowboy Bebop didn’t explore and that is what they went all in on for this. It was really well edited though.", "Looks fun but the costumes and wigs still look terrible.", "OK, who is in charge of vicious' wig because it looks terrible when lit from the back. But this trailer could have been a lot worse.", "I literally thought they nailed it and hit a home run. I’m now excited for this. \n\nI will also say he absolutely must die like in the original.", "Threads like this make me happy that redditors aren't in charge of casting.", "Death Note is extra funny bc there are live action Japanese Deathnote movies BETTER than the manga (like ALOT better) and the guy who plays L I swear IS L magically brought to life. Nails the look, his acting is 10/10\n\nThen we got...the American version from Netflix...............", "Goddamn that's terrible. It's a joke, right? A poorly made one?\n\nAlso what's with Spike being so serious all the time? That's just weird...", "I think he got it right. He does remind me of spike.", "I'm definitely going to watch it. I don't need it to be the perfect live action replica of the series. I'm happy to extend some artistic license to the creators of this version. Color me excited!", "Looks like shit.", ">My guy if it’s bad just don’t watch it and ignore it.\n\nFor sure. I probably will give it a try regardless because you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but if this turns out bad it could damage the reputation of Cowboy Bebop.\n\nThat said, Anime, while have largely grown in acceptance and viewership, is still sometimes seen as the \"lesser\" media or a secondary consumption for many. So it's not unlikely that Netflix viewers who catches this live action show might have never heard of the original and therefore having this as a first exposure to them will impact their experience significantly (if it's bad).\n\nIt's not unheard of that people who had no prior experience with the original work only gauge their enjoyment of the \"brand name\" by their first and only experience - the lesser adaptation.", "Exactly. It feels like a Superbowl commercial. And that's...not good.\n\nThis car ad is a better example of how to properly bring a cartoon into live action, respectfully maintain the original character designs, and not make any of it seem cheesy: https://youtu.be/rrp2nmfzxio", "It’s the difference between being tall and being average height.", "That guy pretending to be Robin Williams was better than this.", "Maybe… maybe not. It kind of feels like the tone of the commercials in between episodes that Cowboy Bebop would do for itself… I’m hopefully it’s like using footage from the show and Tank to kind of let fans know they get it and also want to have fun with it too.", "I just remember how excited I was to hear willem dafoe was ryuk. As far as casting goes that’s a solid choice just squandered. Even when I heard the voice it seemed like they had a solid grasp on the idea until I saw the trailer…", "Could spike (cho) stop the exaggerated scowly frowns?? I wanna see that cocky grin we know him for!", "This looks terrible. I'm gonna watch it.", "Well... they tried.", "He looks soo fucking old.", "1. Dogs are real\n2. Cutting fan favourite characters is an easy way to tank (pun intended) the show\n3. Going silly with the tone while cutting the comic relief character ruins the premise", "I loved the little bits where Kenshin would score a hit with his backward sword and his opponent would flash a look across their face that screamed “if that had been a normal sword I’d be dead”.", "Startup is the only other show that comes to mind that hasn't been picked up for more seasons. Very happy The Boys got a S3 and hope to get more.\n\nWhat shows have they cancelled that you were into?", "I wish so badly I could agree with you more on this. You hit the nail on the head and drove it completely into the wood.", ">I think it's a good sign they've clearly not decided to go down a dark, gritty, path only\n\nAnd yet, Spike doesn't smile a single time...", "This trailer has convinced me it's time for another rewatch of the actual classic", "I'll be alright.", "God the anxiety attack of diffusing all the underwater bombs around all that electric fence shit haunts me. Then you get rewarded with the turtle van and get 2 shotted and have to start over again..\n\nNow turtles in time on the snes, my best friend and I would play that nonstop.", "Well i think my reasoning was pretty clear. Anime live action reboots have largely flopped. I'd just prefer to see investment in original ideas over reboots and sequels to old franchises.\n\nI'm happy to be proven wrong, but when you say \"why the heck does everyone want to watch the same show?\" I totally agree, make an entirely new series about space cowboys and blow me away. I'd rather not reuse old names and faces just for the sake of doing it.\n\nSuccessful reboots certainly happen, i hope its the case here. Otherwise its just another tally on the long list of bad reboots.", "Spike fights like drunken monkey kung fu.", "With the suit I could weirdly see him playing in a Yakuza (VG) live action adaptation. \n\nJust imagine it:\n\n\"Can you refill the machines?\"", "Eh, at least that got redeemed with the series.", "This looks like the writer watched the intro and first episode and then just made up the rest of it. They all seem out of character like Deadpool meta versions of themselves. At the beginning of the trailer it looked fun, then turned into cringe.", "Stiff, Fake, And Choco Wilink in COWBOY FLEFLOP.", "Scott Pilgrim, but it was a movie.", "Okay, this is... surprisingly okay. I actually thought I'd just skip this adaptation, because I'm not really a fan of those modern live versions of anime, but after this I might actually give it a chance.\n\nThe fact that the trailer is filmed pretty great with all the random 4th wall effects definitely helps.", "True, if they were going to get loosy goosey with the time line and have some kind of \"punished\" Spike then yea it could work, but you can't throw all those beebop references and music in the trailer and expect anything other than an adaptation that is going to stick to the source material, so old Spike just doesn't land.", "I am oddly mesmerized by this trailer, I'm not sure what to think...", "That sums it up perfectly. If it wasn't meant to be Spike and the Bebop crew this would be really fun. But this is complete lack of respect to the source material.", "Yeah I don't know. John Cho just looks too old to play Spike to me. And the fight choreography looks kinda stiff and the acting (specifically on John Cho more so than the others) seems a tad wooden. Actually, Faye looks a lil on the older side, too(characters actual age aside, she still looks kinda too old). I really hope this is good. Style wise it seems okay.", "Honestly, it looks fun and I move the high energy.\nI've hated everything I've seen so far. This has me incredibly cautious, but somewhat optimistic.", "Transformers.", "In a weird satire version of himself. Jet was always the most genuine of the group. He's the mom. This made him look like an inept leader.", "Spike was based off actor [Yusaku Matsuda](https://twitter.com/tristanacooper/status/1067799039125725184), who in all honesty Cho is kind of the spitting image of here.", "Of course dogs are real. Filming the pretense of a super intelligent corgi however requires some finesse, and most real-life animal tv/movies almost always turn out campy and \"family movie\"-like. Which, is obviously not the tone they are going for. That's why my bet is if they're going to do Ein's scenes, it'll either be CG, scarce, or both.\n\nI agree with the rest of your points mostly, however I don't think they're necessarily going \"silly\" with the tone. The way I see it, they're going for a \"comic-like\" quirky humour type of stylish action that have characters cracking quips and kicking butts, not the \"Scooby-Doo\" cartoon humour type.", "Those were tracks from the original anime.", "I had no idea that existed, and I will just pretend it doesn't.", "Cause the God director Takashi Miike created that masterpiece. If allowed to do as he wants, he belts out she crazy good stuff. Shame he was limited on 'as the gods will'.", "I was expecting to be wildly and deeply disappointed, and after this beautiful camp, I'll give it a shot.\n\nAlso Jet and Faye are well cast.", "Rurouni Kenshin movies are all good to great. Felt they did great job with caring and making action not look cheesy.", "yeah faye shoots, shops, and sneaks", "I'm sold. I love how campy it is.", "I did not mind some of it...it was just not really Deathnote.\n\nThe Japanese live actions change the story (to what it should have been, lets be honest) and it is BETTER.\n\nThe American version was too teenage fan fiction (like 95% of adaptations.\n\nWhen will the people in charge realize that is not what people want?\n\nIf you are going to use the crutch of an existing property, make THAT property. That is what people want.\n\nIt is a large reason why I hate just about any movie based on a book (over 100 pages)\n\n90-120m is simply NOT enough time to do a story justice. LotR is the most successful book to movie movie there is, and fails left and right.\n\nNow TV shows, that is where the visual media can ACTUALLY convey a story. But instead everyone wants to write THEIR version of it (literal fan fiction)\n\nIt gives me flash backs to the dark days of fantasy. When TSR was publishing literal Dragonlance fan fiction and claiming it was canon content (much to the annoyance of the creators and fans) and diluted and polluted the series, setting, and world horrendously.", "I'd be alright without chocolate too, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a loss.", "None of the tones. The tone is meant to be a deadpan satire on not being able to survive as a counter culture, and took perspective everywhere from being poor, goofy, out of touch, and political.", "Oh it'll probably get a sequel wether anyone even wants it or not. James Cameron LOVES Battle Angel. He will get it made, cost be damned. Nothing stops James Cameron. He can't be reasoned with, he can't be bargained with. He doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear and he will absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you see his Battle Angel sequels.", "I think they're going to slot these stories between the main series without going for the full ending. The name \"Lost sessions\" sounds to be in-between stories to me at least.", "A lot of gun play but not a lot of physical combat", "Thought it was animated for a second, was seriously disappointed 😢", "Wow some youtubers got together to make a live action fan trailer? Looks cool!", "\"Oh wow! It's bigger!\"", "My brother and I tend to watch the same anime and read the same manga so it made for a good night of getting drunk and watching but as far as a comprehensive live action version of the anime/manga it’s absolute dog shit.", "\"It's bad on purpose!\" isn't an excuse.", "Right? This is what aged screen writers think witty hip dialogue is.\n\nEye watering levels of cringe", "Spike is around the same height as Jet, he's just lanky and has big hair, so his movements seem more pronounced. \n\nSupposedly originally it was supposed to be Keanu himself being Spike.\n\nNonetheless I agree with your point overall.", "It's looks like a Japanese live action of an anime.", "Because A) you don't need to be a genius to be able to tell just from the trailer B) it's a really popular show that finished and had a great ending forever ago C) they're obviously playing on the nostalgia which means there won't be more there than cheap plays on nostolgia... because otherwise they'd show you that and D) it's an American company doing it and finally E) its Netflix. Their track record for this shit is abysmal. They can't even do a new season of Stand Alone Complex right.\n\nBy the time the show airs its too late to air grievances and I don't want to give them the time or money anyway. If you honestly cannot see this is completely braindead then god help you you have some horrible tendency to either be gullible af or are super easy to please. This is a dumpster fire in the making and there's no reason to do that to something that died with dignity a long time ago.", "I love this, can't wait to see the show!", "You'd probably be alright if monkeys didn't throw poop at you too.", "I really liked the alternate ending live action they did, L's last days or some shit. It was the last in a trilogy if I remember correctly. It was very clever and ends without bringing in the James bond orphanage/training school and all that other shit from the second half.", "The Japanese live-action Death Note is great. The Netflix American one is trash.", "Spike should be a lost mid to late 20's rapscallion. He looks too old....", "I only ever watched CB because it was on after ATHF. Interesting series, but a bit out there.", "I feel like they're forcing me to watch someone take a shit on the hood of my car.", "The entire thing feels like a youtube short. It feels kinda hobbled together", "Did you watch the teaser?\n\nIt was 100% campy shtick...go listen to fayes \"dialouge\"\n\nThey might as well have her dress up in that 30 rock attire and do the fellow kids lines....\n\nSpike is not a 50 year old hardened man and Faye is a 17 frat guy.....", "Too bad it's not in japanese", "Its an anime adaptation, disappointment should be the default expectation.", "Bleach was never amazing but it was always a decent watch. Some parts were better than others.", "That banter is cringe af", "this looks so incredibly bad", "Clearly not. Spike isn't lazy because he is \"lazy\", he's lazy because of severe depression and existentialist dread. This make's him seem like the lazy brother-inlaw in every 90's sitcom.", "Even had Green Bird in there :')", "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?", "much like this guy, ive never seen the original. i thought this trailer looked awful, way too cheesy and weird like a b movie. a bad b movie. it did inspire me to start watching the original series though.\n\nive had it on bluray for years but never watched it. im only on the second episode and i can tell im gonna love it.\n\nprobably wont bother with the remake deal, but at least it got me to finally start watching the original. so ill give it props for that i guess lol", "Indeed, would have loved to see an unknown who could do the fight choreography with that almost gangly tall quality that Spike has, also where is that cocky swagger?", "I dunno, I always thought of Faye as childish. She's impetuous, terrible with money, a liar, and doesn't seem to do well with responsibility.", "I couldn't even make it through the preview. Good luck with that dumpster 🔥", "It is... It's just not an excuse that actually excuses anything.", "4K? There is no 4K Blu out for this as far as i know?!", "Nonstop smoking?", "That's like asking, why don't they make LOTR a musical?", "Yeah, it stank", "Looks like an ad for a ride at Universal Studios", "I think it's more the characters themselves are off, which even if the tone of the show overall is right, the characters seem out of place.", "TIL There's a blade of the immortal live action", "My hope was that Yoko Kanno wrote new music for the series, but is it all the (great) original pieces?", "Dramamine required.", "This feels like someone doing 1/2 their homework and not really understanding the assignment.", "Where Julia???", "It's a fun watch (if you skip most of the filler) and so was the live-action adaptation. I'd say it's the rare case where a live-action adaptation isn't outright dogshit.\n\nI think the better an anime is, the bigger the chance a live-action adaptation will be garbage.", "I watched that movie for the first time a few years ago while I was smoking some weed. I don’t remember a lot about it except I had a really fun time and John Goodman was in it. And I really like Goodman. I think it’s a great movie. Also as a huge cowboy bebop fan with a swordfish tattoo I will enjoy this tv show.", "Thanks I hate it", "There's a lot of immature Millennials who ruin shit for everyone. I'm pretty sure Millennials worked on this show.", "Based on the super generic dialog, I'm wondering if these scenes were shot specifically for the trailer. Could explain why it feels so rushed and cheap. Or maybe I'm just overly optimistic.", "it's got that Speed Racer (2008) vibe all over it.", "This just does not translate well to live action.", "Yeh your spot on with that", "Someone thinks they’re Edgar Wright.\n\nThis looks like a cheap Scott Pilgrim knockoff. I can’t believe Death Note seems more true to the material than this. And only Willem Dafoe seemed to understand the assignment.", "Here's hoping that they just didn't have the time and budget to spend on the trailer that they did on the actual show.", "My dad gave birth to me when he was 7 years old and I find this offensive", "Except his delivery is too stiff, like it’s a high school play.", "Warburton was an executive producer of that one too", "I didn't watch the original so I can't compare, but as a fresh pair of eyes, this looks like a masterpiece already lol\n\nIt's got a bit of Tarantino, a bit of Scott Pilgrim. I'm totally digging it.", "So… I like this a lot. \n\nBut I find myself in the weird position of having watched a good amount of cowboy bebop back in the day, but I literally can’t remember anything but the theme song. Truthfully it was the theme song that inspired me to watch the show. \n\nMy question is: will I enjoy the live action show if I basically can’t remember anything from the original? Like: from this teaser are there a bunch of “inside” references that just went over my head? Im inclined to give it a go either way but im also the guy who watched Better Call Saul and had never seen an episode of breaking bad, so…", "How can you NOT USE the yellow fucking short shorts and crop????? ?", "> I'm trying to find a reason for why they're doing it.\n\nAt risk of being too cynical: The reason is money and only money. They're doing it because most high profile visual media is either reboots, adaptations, or sequels of/for IPs that are beloved among 30-somethings. They're doing it because they know how starved we are for content and distractions, and because they know we'll watch it even if we hate it.\n\nMoney is by necessity the primary motivation for nearly everything made in a Capitalist society. Art is secondary. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "And what studios haven’t really grasped is that the close-to-source-material movies always tend to be the best. Now I’ve never read the lotr books and I love the trilogy of movies so I can’t really speak to that and hopefully the Amazon show is the version you’re looking for. But when it comes to something like anime why fuck up an already riveting story.", "Of course I did, what do you think I'm basing my opinions on?\n\nAlso, I'm not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying you like this? Or you don't? If they're making it intentionally campy then why the vicious scene? The tone is just all over the place and like I said (elsewhere), Cho never cracked a smile. Way too serious for a Spike vibe.\n\nAlso, I don't get the downvotes. I thought we're just sharing our opinions here?", "This looks terrible. Sometimes, most of the time, animation should remain animation.", "This is a vignette consisting of non-episode fluff. You couldn't form a valid opinion based on this clip even if you weren't already blinded by weeb rage.", "I think he would have done better than the current casting, but I still think it would have been to serious.", "was rurouni kenshin good ? the adaptation", "> he should feel old.\n\nFeeling old, and being old are 2 entirely different things. you're really reaching for this one lol.", "The Bebop ship looks so good!", "If that's what Spike's fight scenes look like I'm worried tbh. Wonder if after Cho got hurt they toned down physicality of role..", "Cheesy dialogue, low budget set design, boring camera work. \n\nIronic that people often shit on cartoons for being lower class than live action but the original was much more advanced than this garbage they're trying to pass off as decent", "For that extra authenticity.", "Love it. Not too faithful to the original but feels like a great reimagining of the original material. If I want the classic Bebop, I just go rewatch the classic. Looking forward to this though!", "This looks better than I thought it would. I don't get the criticism of the actors / jobs, tho I do feel like Cho does feel out of place. I'll be happy with it if they don't try to say he's 27 in the show. \n\nYall gotta take a chill pill, interpretations and adaptations of the same story can be different and still good.", "Fucking boo.", "But it also wouldn't be a loss.", "The last 3 episodes tho... They totally seal the deal!", "One of my favs is set at the carnival fighting the man that is bio and mechanically trained to be a killing machine. Mr. P - something? Been a while. But it was dark.", "Good point. I've only ever streamed it. That might be regular hi-def (1080), but I thought it was 4k.\n\nI am open to being proven wrong about this.", "I love the movies, but if you have read the books, you'd know they missed an insane amount of crucial content\n\nI know everyone bring up Tommy B but cutting him from the start really fucked the movies\n\nYeah he silly and sings okay w/e it sets the tone that RIGHT AWAY all the hobbits should die and fail and he shows up to save them.\n\n10 to 15m would have been enough to cover it\n\nNot going back and rescuing the shire\n\nAnd enough other points to fill their own book\n\nThe amazon tv show is NOT lotr. It is in the SETTING but is telling SM or its own stories...so I fail to see how that relates to the discussion", "What if you watch it and don't like it?", "No, the actor is just very bad. He gives a similarly funny performance in heredetary", "So amazing", "I mean the social commentary is not something that covers 30 years well. I've watched most and it felt like Ghost to me.", "Dope!", "Better than a friend at college who did shrooms to Donny Darko.", "I guess I am not the only one who gets the feeling of low-budget film from this high-budget project... smh hoping the actual thing is better than this short clip. But it looks just a cheesy SNL skit...", "My mom and sister read through all the lotr universe books and they say the same thing while also loving the movies. As for the Amazon show I’m not super familiar with what it’s about so more so a suggestion if you hadnt heard of it prior.", "Hey Cowboy Bebop’s English dub was serviceable! :-D", "I hated speed racer on first viewing but grew to appreciate it", "Shows enough for us to know it's something likely to match the quality of other Netflix adaptations. \n\nKenshin seems to be the exception. Hoping One Piece is good!", "Classic? The cartoon was a classic but the live-action show came out what 5 years ago? Lol. Googles . . .\n\nOh god. I was still in high school.", ">Who wanted this?!\n\nPeople that are going to make money from it.", "You know what, I took another watch after your comment and I can somewhat see a Faye in her portrayal. It's not a great Faye IMHO, but there are some resemblance of the character.\n\nThat said, I think Faye is much more reserved in her childishness - she tries to be lady-like as much as she can and even when she quips it's not quite as immature.\n\nEither way, time will tell. I feel this teaser was made specifically for its own purpose so perhaps it's not a good representation of the actual series.", "But it's meant to be a lost session from the NEW series, no? They aren't beholden to the canon of the original. I know that may upset some fans but it is always the best approach for an adaptation, the key is finding the right balance where you change enough to make it fit better for the new medium but not so much that it feels completely different (unless the latter is the goal, which can be great if you pull it off well enough but clearly that isn't what this adaptation is going for).", "Andrew Koji would have been great as Spike", "That sounds like a recipe for a bad time!", "Pierre Le Fou... or something like that... im in the middle of rewatching, but didn't get that far.... yeah that one is another fave... very memorable", "Hmmm... but .. Where is the CORGI?", "Like anyone who watched that teaser and has seen CB, I hated it.\n\nThe only part of it that was CN at all is Jet.\n\nOld man spike does not work.\n\n17 year old frat boy faye does not work.\n\nComic relief WITHOUT the 2 comic relief characters does not work.\n\nI love CB and want(ed) the live action to be good.\n\nThe Japanese over a decade ago proved you can adapt anime to live action, those Deathnote movies are superior even to the manga.\n\nBut this...and all of Netflix's attempts (okay I have not watched the FMA yet) are worse.\n\nIf your project does not improve the existing property, only worsens it, don't make or release it.\n\n\nMuch like the dark days of fantasy when TSR was publishing literal dragonlance fan fiction alongside the actual stories being written by Hickman and Weiss", "I rewatched the show like 4 months ago and this seems wrong lol, maybe you are only remembering the serious dark moments.", "I've been singing its praises since it was released, mostly to disinterested film or anime snobs. I'm glad you found the value in it!", "This looks really good, though I may not be the target audience, as someone who could take or leave the original. I do like that it's a proper teaser. it doesn't give away the plotline or characters (other than what would already be known from the original series) and makes you want to see more.", "I'll say, from someone who has never seen any anime in my life, this looks like a potentially fun watch that might make me curious to see the source material as well. I see all the true fans bashing it below based on the teaser and I get it, have had books I loved turned into junk movies. This time I'm on the other side and I hope it's good and entertaining.", "Somehow, I have even lower expectations than I was before I watched this trailer.\n\nThis felt like if you gave some film students some money and told them to put their own creative liberty on a classic.\n\nAnd taking away the sex appeal of Faye Valentine was criminal. Not every God damn thing has to be a woke rendition of a character. Somehow, American film society has devolved into a prudish cult of trash afraid to let a female lead show a little skin in the name of woke-ness.", "Is there an announcement that it'll be a NEW series? From this teaser the vibe I get is they just want to slot it in between. If it's a NEW series I would have imagined they named it \"Another story for another time\" or something to hint at an alternate timeline/reboot.\n\nI can respect that adaptations want to do their own thing, and that's fine. Like I said, I like the cinematography. Making it more comic like isn't the biggest issue I have with it. It's that the tone seem all over the place (try to be campy/serious/funny all at the same time) and the mis-characterization just rubs me the wrong way.", "The Kenshin movies", "Yea....this actually doesnt look any good.\nI have been so fucking hyped for this. Definitely still going to give it a shot but I'm actually starting to question if this is a cartoon that SHOULD be adapted to live television.", "I think people didn't know what to make of it. And a lot of it was heavy visual/stylistic references to the cartoon, which I thought was great, but if you didn't get that that's what they were doing it would've seemed weird as all hell\n\non the other hand, I'm predisposed to like anything John Goodman is in. That guy rarely picks bad movies.", "Oh shit didn’t think of that. Good observation!", "The negative feedback is so overwhelming, at this point the whole project should just be a satire and maybe it will be good.", "My guess is that to do those transitions the actors are not actually in the scenes together but shot one by one on a green screen and then composited together, meaning they can't really play off each other's performance (which is a big deal). It's pretty obvious in one of the last few cuts, when Spike looks at Jet.\n\nIf that's the case, the show itself should have much more lively performances hopefully!", "Most of the complaints I'm seeing aren't about the campiness, they're about the acting feeling forced or characters feeling off.", "age is an attitude", "She also called them nut buckets", "yikes.", "Cursed. When will they learn to stop adapting anime into live action.", "Exactly that tone.\n\nPerfect Chaos.", "this honestly looks pretty good.\n\nSeems like a fun vibe.", "Seems like a very specific distinction to make but whatever I guess. Edge of Tomorrow then.", "Niiiece", "Jet was fine...ish. Spikes is a dumpster fire and Faye made me think they brought one of the Disney Descendant princesses into the Bebop universe .", "I mean you really watched that and felt like it worked?", "This edit. I’m inspired.", "Oh no…", "Long enough to get the popcorn out, too long for a teaser", "I am excited for and gonna watch it but it is a prequel to the trilogy of books and using the SM as its source material.\n\nIt won't have anything to do with the fellowship.\n\nAgain I love the movies truly 10/10 for me ( as far as movies go) but only a 6/10 as far as LotR goes since it misses so much crucial content (though the acting makes it hard to spot the faults a lot of the time and the extended editions bring it up to 7/10)\n\nIt just goes to show how terrible a medium movies are for telling a story (over 100 pages) and the personal reason I hate most movies based on books. TV is just so much better for it.\n\nNow my utter hatred for trashy potter aside, they failed to even translate THOSE movies.\n\nI only ever saw the first movie (so the shortest books movie) because even THEN they had to cut too many crucial bits (and even if not crucial they got the best part of book one (well the entire series) nearly headless nicks death day party)\n\nIf you cannot back trashy potter book one into a movie faithfully...why bother trying any movie?\n\nSome of us have sadly seen how bad Eragon went...\n\nOr Atla (not personally seen it. The miss pronunciation of Aang is an instant seal breaker)\n\nOr DBZ (again not personally seen it I love DBZ too much to do that)", "Yup The Uncanny Counter is a fantastic one", "Dude these weeb edgelords are out in full force. \"It doesnt capture le serious tone of dark edgy anime\". If anything the origional anime took itself too seriously too often.", "Which is fine, but there's a bunch of comments of people complaining that it isn't reflecting how \"serious\" the show is.", "This looks trash unfortunately 👎 and no Ed 👎", "This seems....not good...", "looks sick - love me some John Cho", "The animated fights looked more fluid than these... How is that even possible?", "Don’t forget the Death Note movie Netflix made", "Looks like shit", "Yeah people dont seem to remember that the tone of cowboy bebop varies widly by episode. You had horror, neo noir, western, comedy, etc..\n\nA lot like Avatar tla really, which makes sense considering Bebop was one of its main inspiration.", "The show nobody asked for!", "lol it's a major sub meaning mostly white people, im not at all surprised.", "If you liked that movie then I don't know what to say to you. We obviously don't have much in common.", "This feel like Scott pilgrim more than Cowboy Bebop", "They went for celebrity casting to try to get more butts in seats. I don't think it worked too well.", "I’ve haven’t watch much of the original show (yet!) but does it have the same awkward campy feel as this? Just kinda felt off", "I have an idea. Let's take one of the most beloved anime of all time and remove all the charm and personality from it by making it live action. \n\nNetflix: I'll take 12", "A lot of it is from Bruce Lee is as well, but design wise is solely from Yusaku and it shows.\n\nThe more you know, Japan has an awesome film history.", "wtf lol, the editing and frantic pace reminds me more of black dynamite, i hope that just stays with the trailers.", "Not really related to this post, but more so your comment. You should watch squid game and midnight mass. Both excellent shows on Netflix that are a fun time. That is all.", "They all seem true to character except Spike from the animation seems to use less effort when fighting and he doesn’t use guns if he can help it. I found it weird when they were arguing about who shot who where.", "That tends to harm more than help because it's just asking to fall into the uncanny valley. Just look at the Dear Evan Hansen movie.\n\nSpike doesn't really \"need\" to be any age besides being an adult. His specific age isn't a plot point or anything.", "Probably because this was filmed for the promo. This isn't the actual footage from the show. The trailer comes out next week.", "I'm gonna find a stream, despite having a Netflix account, just out of principle so they don't count my view.\n\nThen I'll most likely quit out in the middle of episode 2 regardless and pretend like this whole abomination never happened.", "He's cool enough to do it", "No apparently not.", "Thank God they found a generic looking actress for Faye and dressed her as conservatively as Mormon courthouse or else I would have highly offended on behalf of all women God forbid she showed a lil ankle.", "The Mario movie", "We're never clued in into who's Spike's parents are as well as he was born on literally Mars. It's safe to say though, he's at least some part asian if anything as he was designed akin to a japanese actor.", "She kicked one guy and then gren showed up and they ran away.", "Oh fuck I like that gun! You knew I’d like that gun!", "Feels like SNL?", " \n\nTom Cruise looks tall in pretty much every movie and yet he's a short man at 5'6\".\n\nSounds like you'd be shocked by movie magic and camera/editing techniques. On camera and post-editing 5'10\" is effectively the same as 6'1\".", "Doesn't seem to have quite the same energy as the anime. It looks like a collab between Quentin Tarantino and Edgar Wright. Even so, I'm on board.", "It looks really enjoyable to me. I can’t wait to check it out", "And its reward was low viewership and premature cancellation. \n\nStill bitter about that. One of the few shows where I really liked every character. Seemed like it was just hitting its stride too", "You should definitely watch the previous films first.", "I believe that it is a mix. I would imagine that they are heavily advertising the well-known tracks and keeping the new stuff a secret. \n\n\nJust like they are trying to keep Ed's actor under wraps. They want people to still have surprises?", "spikes body type is surprisingly on point but face is way off. so old. 🧓\n\njet looks ok\n\nfaye is.... off. here's the funny thing though. daniella pineda when I google random pics of her in google actually looks like an amazing fit. some of her regular day to day pics scream faye. but they somehow stripped that away when they actually costumed her for the actual fucking scene? HOW? \n\nthey should have at least kept the fucking headband!!! \n\nalso as an armchair director, would have told her to practice RBF. (brf?) see if it helps. idk.", "\"Yeah I actually loved\" \\checks notes\\ \"Ong from the last airbender.\"", "It's like one of those YouTube videos where someone edits a fake trailer that turns Santa Clause into a horror or whatever, but as an actual movie.", "They had to be. There is no way they could keep the split screen gag going throughout a series.", "I'm ready to be disappointed", "Jon cho a horrible choice for spike", "Oh no. Oh no. Why?\n\nCowboy Bebop is probably my favorite anime next to Samurai Champloo. Both shows had a laid back coolness to it, like they weren’t even trying. This Netflix show completely misunderstands this vibe and missed.\n\nThis has all the hipness of Poochie the Dog. They need to go back to their home planet and fly away.", "That one and Toys in the Attic (black pudding) were the two episodes that scared me as a kid, but I wasn't about to not watch! I was sneaking up past my bed time to watch the cool cartoons, even if they gave me nightmares.", "This looks terrible. The characters are totally wrong, especially Spike's fighting style.", "i dunno how to feel after watching this.. cho isn't doing it for me. he looks more like the dude in squid game with that hair than spike.", "Wow 'Harold and Kumar Go to Collect a Bounty' looks weird.", "Then he flies away with those ears.", "Just looks kinda stiff and slow, not blindingly fast and smooth like you would expect. And I feel like I can easily pick out the shots that are done with a double where you can't see his face and all of a sudden he does some crazy backflip move.", "One piece is next lol", "I never read those books because the title put me off. If the name of your book about dragons is just the word \"Dragon\" with the first letter shifted up once, I don't feel good about the amount of effort you've put into it lol", "That's true. I hate it. I just wanna roll my eyes 360 degrees every time a dramatic moment gets interrupted by some dumb snarky quip. Just why?", "Go rewatch the original it holds up and is fantastic", "I guess there is no Edward? Censored dialogue and no one is chain smoking. This will be a movie for teens.", "It reminds me of the in-universe show \"BIG SHOT\" that they watch to get news for bounty hunting.", "Sephiroth with the cameo", "Holy fuckin shit I'm IN!", "This is....unique.", "holy shit that looks embarrassing", "I hands down agree. This movie is my go to alone at the farm with some mushrooms. Grew up watching the original speed racer on boomerang with my dad as it was his favorite cartoon. Cannot say enough good things about this movie.", "The Tick. \n\nDepends on your definition of successful, but I liked it.\n\nEdit--The Flintstones Movie (1994) was a massive financial success, grossing $242 million against a $46 million budget. Robert Altman's Popeye film (1980) earned $49.7 million against a $20 million budget. Scooby Doo (2002) earned $275 million against an $84 million budget. Its sequel (2004) garnished $191.2 million on an $80 million budget.\n\nAlso, think of all the Batman, Joker, Spiderman, X-Men, Transformers, etc. films that dominate the box offices. I'm not even gonna waste my time looking up the profits from those adaptations, but they made infinity money. All of the money. So the answer to your questions is an enthusiastic \"yes.\"", "What a blast. Can’t wait", "Haroldy’s back!", "Think I'm about ready to cancel this subscription", "Wtf is this", "people actually like this editing? lmao looks like the item", "Me too!", "feels like a skit because they had to go full parody to make this work, it's very obviously not a direct adaptation. cho makes a terrible spike no matter how they dress him, let's not even get started on jet as the token black dude, censored faye is just another PC travesty. there will be nothing but pain if you try to delude yourselves otherwise, just enjoy this for what it is.\n\nfun facts, keanu reeves was the original cast for spike a decade ago when production first started. which got hit by a bunch of delays and eventually shelved, then cho got hurt filming the netflix revival and set them back almost another year. clearly the universe does not want this film to happen", "I hear the Paddington movies are delightful.", "Yeah like when SNL does a terrible parody. And you know the skit goes on for another nine minutes. FUUUUUUUCK … 🙀", "Film noire in space is basically the tone, this trailer looks like Zach and Cody in space, I'm surprised theres no laugh track", "Honestly my expectations were so low from the previous GI Joe movies that I felt Snake Eyes was much better than I thought it'd be", "Yeah. I feel like style will be fun but if they get the bickering right it's perfect", "Sad to see a fantastic anime get stepped all over with this remake\n\nWho honestly cast this?", "Yeah I’m getting Sokka from Last air bender vibes in the seriousness. Personality is the one of the major things I look for when it comes to adaptations like these. Hopefully it’s better in the show.", "True to Netflix the female lead is completely uninteresting and a perfect badass with nothing unique or negative about her. So boring.", "Nah.", "They made him look like how he's supposed to", "In other words, the acting is terrible. \n\nI’m not saying they’re bad actors, but this is not anyone’s best work. It does feel like a skit - like they just walked onto set for the first time, met each other and then shot this whole thing reading from cue cards.", "Anyone else feel like the actors personalities gave me more hope for the show? I actually think they’re pretty spot on.", "I really wanted to see what they were doing with Thrakkorzog. Also the deal with Superian. So many good stories gone to waste!", "Except they covered Faye's tits up", "Mam Reddit is so jaded. Looks like a fun show to me. 🤷‍♂️", "Dragon Ball Evolution is a masterpiece", "Also, I always thought Faye was really tall with the supermodel body type they used drawing her. Did we have to go generic female badass, and average female height? I know that's nitpicky, but she did not look right with both guys being way taller than her.", "Uhhhh sorry she does adhere to your male gaze chud??? are you seriously expecting a female con artist to show off her cleavage???", "Film noire in space is the tone for the main story episodes, and if you don't count it as part of the main story Jet's backstory episode, but there are plenty of (most episodes) episodes that were not film noire in tone at all, Cowboy Funk, Mushroom Samba, Toys in the Attic overall Cowboy Bebop was pretty silly, goofy fun romp across many different genres", "It was actually based on a light novel that was also turned into a manga.", "Why", "Or the Japanese Death Note movies", "Just watched Cowboy Bebop movie, and then after 30 minutes this shows in recommendations on Youtube. Trying my best to keep the \"skepsis demon\" at bay right now, but that's the fight he might win.", "That correlation seems likely to me too.\n\nI actually thought a lot of the filler arcs were better than the main plot. The bount arc especially was interesting. Then the other one I really liked was Muramasa.", "I'll watch it", "To me the biggest downfall of this is going to be that Bebop was made to take full advantage of the animated medium. The complex, retro-futurist backgrounds aren't just backdrops, they exist on the same plane as the characters. Spike's fights are some of the most gorgeous bits of animation to ever bless my eyes.\n\nTaking all that, and then turning it into an actor who got 6 months of pretend fight training doing cut-heavy choreographed fight scenes in front of a green screen, is just depressing. I don't care how unique the visuals are or if they nail the casting or not. It's an inherently bad idea. The animated medium has its own advantages and pitfalls, ignoring those to try and cram a plot people are familiar with into a new medium because it'll trend online just fuckin' sucks, man. I'm sad.", "how is Hollywood so out of ideas they have to keep ruining perfectly good anime.", "Casting aside, I feel like Spike's character design doesn't really work without the absurdly long and lanky anime legs.", "I don’t think they could have found a less Faye actor if they tried. She is not easy to look at.", "So much of the story of the Bebop crew was told in the silent and calm times between the action. I know that doesn't make good material for a trailer, but the frenzied cartoonish mashup they presented doesn't give me much hope.", "Meh, doesn’t look like a total bust but I think I’ll skip this", "He looks like it cause he almost is, John Cho is 49.", "I think Jet just needs to be a bit more grounded and less like a character who points to the others, looking at the screen \"are you guys seeing this shit\" kinda deal.", "...Scott Pilgrim?", "This Faye is actually ass. Nowhere near as cool/collected/charming as the original. A big ball of hyperactive cringe. The other two did alright, but the overall tone and feel was way off.", "This was no magic hubcap. The magic was inside you all along.", "Looks like trash. 10/10", "This acting belongs on the Disney channel after Hannah Montana. Maybe this is just a really shitty trailer but if this is the show it looks like another 'curse of the shitty live action anime'.", "Why is it when I look at the actor playing \"Spike\", he reminds me of Micky Dolenz of The Monkees?", "Feels like the correct cast is a no name actor. Everyone else has 'baggage' unless they were already into cowboy bebop to truly give it their all like Cavill in the Witcher", "This looks like shit. Just watch the anime lol", "The edit is neat. Maybe a little overbearing\n But the shows seems fun and like it wont take itself too seriously.", "Occasionally you get The Witcher, but most of the time you get Eragon.", "Doesn't this have the feeling of like a high budget kamen rider type show? I kinda dig it honestly.", "Seems like it's just racist in a different way. Like they wanted to cast him as Asian instead of white-washing it with a popular white actor, but then they were too cowardly to cast a younger less-known Asian actor who actually fits the role. Instead they just went \"who's the first Asian actor that springs to mind for most Americans? Oh but he's 49 years old? Ah that'll be fine, we'll lose money if we cast an unknown Asian...\"", "Plus the actor looks incredibly tense and stiff, while Spike was always loose and slightly-amused, like a cat lazily toying with a mouse. He didn't care much about whether he lived or died.\n\nThis portrayal is just wrong in every way.", "This is my expectation. Let's hope there is plenty of that in the fights we haven't seen.", "They were trying to reference the anime aesthetic, but missed the mark imo. While it certainly looks cool and is a neat trick, the intro used different colors and lines to represent characters and emotions: Spike starts out blue as he's taking a hit of his cigarette, and then shifts to red when he's running and in action. Faye is yellow for aesthetic matching her outfit but it begins with a shot of her legs into her smoking.\n\nIt's.. not making me hopeful the series will be good, but it's possible they just overdid it for this trailer and maybe they nailed it for the show when you're not trying to show an action-packed glimpse of all three main characters. We'll see.\n\nI do worry that I'm not sold on any of the actors yet, though.", "it's a bit edgy but in total kinda good samurai action stuff.", "Watching this is like being kicked repeatedly in the groin.\n\nFine if you're into that sort of thing, but not for me.\n\nMake something new. Don't just endlessly masturbate in the shadow of a superior work.", "Just wait till the VIPs show up and start talking about 69", "Because things sometimes should just die with dignity. See the more recent Stand Alone Complex season (2045) - it's a travesty. Bebop died with dignity a long time ago and deserves to stay that way.", "It has John Goodman fighting ninjas, idk what people think a \"good movie\" needs but speed racer is fucking amazing.", "Where’s Edward?", "My guess is that Reddits average age is 30 to 40, meaning people who grew up with the anime. And YouTube, especially users who comment, are teens and young adults who didn't watch Bebop in it's entirety.", "God this looks so fucking bad. Yes I'm going to watch it.", "It honestly looks worse because of the camera work lol.", "Looks like shit. There's just somethings live action can't do when adapting an anime. Just feels off.", "When I said I wanted more Cowboy Bebop, I meant the anime, not a live action adaptation, those never do well.", "Pretty much this.", "Yeah I'm hoping this is a nod to the teasers and is not actually going to be the tone of the show. It's kind of got the flavor of those old kung fu westerns as well as the old shaft/blacksploitation films, which is an interesting direction and not wholly unwarranted. And then they threw those 4th wall breaking screen wipes in there and it was a bit too much. Totally reminds me of the post credits scenes too, though, so I've got my fingers crossed.", "Yes I do and this might explain why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FOzD4Sfgag", "True, but the original show was not exactly eh... \"challenging\" to adapt into something as good or better lol.", "Huh?", "I have no expectations and this teaser was great!", "If the show is edited and paced like this throughout it will be exhausting to consume", "It’s cool but tone it down. Hoping it’s played up to just catch attention and get people talking. I love the casting choices and editing!", "Avatar was not bad, Cameron has talent.\n\nIt is lucky that they have never spoiled The last Airbender with a awful movie adaptation...", "Is there a reason why he should be Asian? Throughout the entire anime I never picked up anywhere that implied he was. Maybe I'm misremembering something. No one was complaining when Keanu's name was attached to the project a long while back.", "Should have been a short series instead of one long ass movie", "Based on a light novel that the manga was also based off of. They were 2 independent projects based on the same source material.", "You gotta give the anime about 3 episodes. You have to learn the characters then it all clicks. Very much like 30 Rock or Parks and Recs where the first few episodes were a chore to watch, bit then on rewatches the first few episodes are great cause you know the characters.", "I uhhh\n\nNo… not very similar at all", "meh", "yea, I don't know, chief. It feels both high and low budget at the same time. I don't think I like it.", "Everything that Netflix touches turns to shit.", "I feel like this is often overlooked. It hit all the major plot points and was really fucking good.", "Kyle Gass as Faye Valentine", "The GTO live action adaptation's conclusion was the most watched television event in Japan at the time of its airing. And I would say if you like the anime the show holds up. The anime is also about an oddball school teacher and the relationship he develops with his students so not exactly a difficult crossover but it is the only example I am aware of", "Casting seems on point! Getting more and more excited and I need some kind of light humor (and dark) after watching a heavy show like SG.", "That last conversation seemed pretty dead on. I was thinking the same thing.", "I'm gonna watch but quite weak with Jet being the most accurate to the source here and Faye reminding me of a mean character from a 2004 sitcom that never made it past a 7 episode first season.\n\nVery unnatural acting across the board, let's hope nostalgia and soundtrack carry it, cos I'm not gonna pass up more Yoko Kanno!", "With Netflix’s recent track record… This should be an absolute banger", "This would be a great style for one episode. What we should hope for is that every episode has the same energy behind it but with unique styles and tones for each", "For me it’s that Cowboy Bebop is contemporary noir.\n\nThis wasn’t noir it was comic book/ graphic novel style", "I'm really hoping this is a nod to the more wacky tonality of the post credits teasers for the original show, and not an indication that they are going this way with the entirety of the production, but I'm afraid you're 100% right about the fighting style. From what I saw it definitely didn't feel like Spike. Felt more like the old Bruce Lee movies, which is funny because Spike is supposed to be doing Jeet Kun Do, just with more apathy and a cigarette in his mouth.", "I at least enjoyed Willem Dafoe as Ryuk.", "From Hollywood? None that I can think of. However I remember thoroughly enjoying the live action Death Note movies from Japan in the 2000's.", "> who in all honesty Cho is kind of the spitting image of here.\n\nIn all honesty not really", "This could be chalked up to this trailer being shot by itself, and therefore warranting less time or effort", "I’m glad John Cho finally found a role that matches his acting style", "I'm hoping you watched the whole series of commercials and not just one, right?", "The Patrick Warburton (FOX) version came out in 2001. \n\nThe Amazon version was 2016.\n\nWe’re talking about the former.", "Fuck, he's a dead ringer in the bottom left one", "My reflex is to hate it but I cant find a reason to. All aboard the hype train.", "Cameron has been wanting to do an Alita movie for 20 years. Pretty sure he won't just stop at one movie that ends on a sequel bait.", "I think they should have cast that guy from Warrior. Andrew Koji. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucM-I33N4IQ&ab_channel=HopWei\n\nAs you can see from these fight scenes he's at least got the physicality down", "I’m really afraid to watch this. As an old fart it was one of the original anime’s I watched to get me into anime and I’m really afraid to watch it. I don’t expect them to be 100% but at the same time I was really disappointed with GITS and that’s live action movie.", "It is fine... for an amateur fan project.\n\nAt least I dont have high expectations now after seeing this.\n\nI kinda like the cast, but like people mentioned the tone is all wrong.", "This feels like Cowboy Powers", "I have a bad feeling about this...", "The original again is definitely on my eventual list!! The music is great. Definitely had some high emotional moments", "[Suntory Boss Coffee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2l1JKuxxY)", "What's with Fayes outfit being so different and Jet being a completely different race?", "Looks like it will probably be decent but not gonna be my speed.", "Problem is, Bebop was written as an anime not a manga. The manga actually came out after and just followed the episodes with a few extra adventures. So manga bars are out of place.", "It's like the original but stiff and shitty looking", "Because it's easier to be ironic and snarky than it is to have characters experiencing events that organically impart emotions in the audience. Much easier to have everyone be Han Solo who then gets to surprise you when they act earnestly for a moment, telling you that this moment REALLY matters emotionally.\n\nIt's one reason why I hate Joss Whedon. He turned all of the Avengers into the quippy one and that became the formula for all Disney franchises, which became the formula for all movie franchises.", "The Bleach one wasn't terrible.", "That's my ringtone. My wife despises it 😃", "Holy crap as a huge fan of the original show this looks unwatchable.", "If not bored, at least... casual? _Cool_ is the key word for Bebop and it's _really hard_ to do.", "Yeah, I always got an orphan of mixed race vibe from Spike. Never gave too much thought to his race though because it didn't matter much to the plot. All these different characters from various planets and space ports I think I just kinda figured everyone would be kinda mixed together in that universe.", "Thanks I hate it", "It doesn't even need to be gritty. It just needs to vibe, and even using the original soundtrack they couldn't vibe.", "The fact that whether Netflix can pull off a live action version successfully or not is another thing, but don't act like fans aren't asking for live-action animes. Fans were were asking for live-action Cowboy Bebop for a long time. They wanted Keanu Reaves to play Spike Spiegel as far as decades ago.", "I'm really not feeling this. Fuck", "Really fucking good artists, that's how.", "OMG I just got chills!!! I can literally see the characters from the anime. I watched Cowboy Bebop from my middle school days on Adult Swim. I’ve rewatched so many episodes! The actor who portrayed Jet did a damn good job.\n\nThe actors….at first I was worried….after watching the trailer and seeing their acting skills. It’s on par with the characters from the show!!!!!\nI can’t WAIT to see if Ed will be in it!!! \n\nNow I’m super hyped!!!!!\n\nI’m reading all of these comments and I don’t understand the hate on it. I mean, you’ll never be able to find the perfect actors for the ANIMATED CHARACTERS because they’re not real. Despite the judge mental comments, I think this will be pretty good for what they can do with real people. \n\nI used to live and breathe anime until after 2013, I watched anime when it was new to the US. Ghost in the shell, Akira, Evangelion.\nAfter years of watching live actions being made, you will NEVER be able to replicate an anime unless you just reanimate it. Period. Sometimes you have to accept a live action and be more open minded on the show.", "At least we're getting something.", "Like water flowing through a river.", "Pretending you're not lying doesn't make it so. Keep being a loser I guess, if you think that works for you.", "No Tank!", " This is why I'm not hung up on the differences between animated Spike and real life Spike. If John Cho slouched and behaved like Spike did in the cartoon it would look absolutely ridiculous and basically inhuman. The fighting would be so stylized and weird that it feel off putting in real life. I'm not going to say the logistics of bringing an authentic Spike to real life make it impossible, but I do think it would unreasonably difficult, especially for a TV series.", "Spike should be more cocky", "Just watched through the whole series and I dont think spike is very charismatic? Most people in the show I don't think like him very much and he kinda come off as rough around the edges to me and kind of a douche. I agree with everything else you said though.", "This looks terrible to me. Reddit will probably eat this shit up though.", "In this thread: apparently the fucking Star Wars fanbase, bitching your asses off because two minutes of teaser don’t meet your pre-conceived notions of how this show should look. Jesus.", "If you look at Cutter, the main antagonist in the live action, he's incredibly one dimensional. Evil mad scientist dude without any relatable motivation.\n\nCompare that to the much more interesting and nuanced antagonists in the source material like the Puppet Master and the Laughing Man.", "this is a joke right?", "I believe I'm at least partially the target audience. I love the idea of anime and I'm always super intrigued by bizarro anime storylines I hear about and i dig the world building. But I cannot stand the medium.", " I always thought there was a nihilistic quality to the show. The characters have a boundless universe to explore but they basically spend their lives trying to get by, from bounty to bounty, only barely covering their operating costs most days. You make a connection on one planet and then it's off to the next, can't get attached. It's an inherently lonely way of living. I feel like that's why Spike was so preoccupied with his old flame, because when you live that kind of lifestyle you aren't cultivating meaningful relationships.\n\nI think that speaks to the emotional core of the show, as I saw it. I think you lose something turning it into a tarantino movie", "It also looks like an attempt to copy rather than an attempt to remake it in a new media format. And it's suffering from what live action can't do rather than reveling in what it can.", "This looks fucking bad and I was optimistic about it :( \n\nThe tone really isn't there at all and John Cho feels emotionless. Where's the casual smirk and confidence?", "I'm worried that people are too worried about it being too different from the source material that they might miss what's good about it.", "Does Scott Pilgrim count?", "I'd watch the shit out of that.", "The best example of Spike's fighting style, for me, is still \"Asteroid Blues\", when he's fighting Asimov Aronson.\n\nThe way his feet just glide across the ground; chef's kiss\n\nEdit: [The fight](https://youtu.be/Yf48R459HSk)", "Like anyone needs convincing to watch the live action they've been waiting to see for 23\\* years... lol\n\n\\damn i'm old.", "Yeah, I'm undecided on how I feel about the production style, but the tone was totally grindhouse and the cheesy banter fit that.\n\nMy main complaint is that Spike has zero of that playful ennui. He's just so... grumpy.", "Speed Racer is the best movie nobody has ever seen.", "Oh booooooooo I'm not feeling it at all....", "I feel obligated to say that the Speed Racer live action movie was awesome and remains the exception to the rule.\n\nAlso I acknowledge it bombed in the box office and my opinion is the world was not ready for a good live adaptation of an anime.", "Oh god that was cringeworthy", "What are you talking about? Telling the same 69 joke five times in a row is peak writing.", "Nice!", "This is what the mix of emotions I was feeling looks like when typed. Thanks.", "I like John Cho, but other than that, looks meh. I think some animated shows/movies don't translate well to live action.", "Wow this looks nothing like cowboy bebop. It's sad to see one of my favorite shows done like this.", "Scott Pilgrim VS the Bebop", "After a quick look at May 2008, Speed Racer was fucked at release. Quality of the movie notwithstanding, its competition was pretty fierce. It came out a week after Iron Man, which only dropped 48% from its opening weekend (which is a pretty great hold for a $90M+ OW). Then it faced Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, which cuts into the family audience of SR (while Caspian dipped significantly from the first, it was still a sequel to a mega hit movie and opened to $55M). Then weekend 3 was Indiana Jones 4, which opened to $100M+ on Memorial Day weekend. Weekend 4 was Kung Fu Panda and an Adam Sandler comedy. This fourth weekend, SR dropped 81% and made less than $500k. It opened low, then got curb stomped into oblivion, grossing $43M domestically after an $18M opening. It wasn't just Iron Man that did it, it was a whole month of competition and lack of interest from the general public that killed it.", "Is there something wrong with that, dipstick?", "I may be alone here, but WHERE IS EIN?!?!?!", "wtf is this… no", "The more costly the cg, the more costly it is to do revisions and fix problems", "Oof the dbz movie is in a bad movie category all it’s own. Turning an otherwise interesting story into a weird high school “I’m bullied but get the girl” redemption story just holds no reasoning.", "Don’t say that… Wheel of Time season one starts next month and I literally just finished reading the 14th book this morning. I want it to be good and COMPLETE.\n\nI neeeeeeeeed it.", "I mean yeah, the majority of Cowboy Bebop felt like a Noir genre set in space. It was Nihilistic and bleak as fuck, like big O, or Ghost in the Shell.", "Well, Spike does do a front flip kick on a guy in the very first episode. \nHe also leaps like 20 feet into the air in Jupiter Jazz. Along with probably a whole slew of other near superhuman flashy feats.\n\nIt just doesn't \"feel\" like it because of the low frames and the nature of animation. And how he's drawn.\n\nAlso the way John Cho holds the staff is like picture perfect from Knocking on Heaven's Door.", "I mean, kinda? He's slightly yellowish but not much, and he's paler than Jett. He's also got a German name and riffing heavily on Lupin the 3rd (who's French), in a show where no one in the show is explicitly Japanese. The show has a lot of Chinese imagery and mysticism but it kind of portrays the main crew as outsiders to that. The primary thing anchoring him to being Japanese is basing the hair on that Japenese actor imo.", "Which is the polar opposite of Spike, who moves so smooth. That's what was most jarring to me.", "that was garbage", "Reminds me more of the live action Speed Racer than Cowboy Bebop", "I’m a huge Bebop fan which is why I’m going to avoid this thing like the plague.", "Black dont crack, baby", "It was a Ganymede rock lobster!", "First Ghost in the Shell & now this :(", "This is straight cheese. I'll probably watch it. I'm a little curious if they will try to mess with Ed and Eins", "Bell Peppers and Beef. \n\n_Isn't Bell Peppers and Beef supposed to have Beef?_\n\nIt would if we had any Wulongs after that thing you wrecked!", "My hype for this dissipates more each tease. \n\nSeems like a real hard pass for this big fan of the original series.", "I can't fucking breathe. I wasn't prepared for just how stupid and amazing that was.", "It doesn't.", "Wasn't expecting much but certainly wasn't expecting it to be this bad. \n\nGod. Do they even realize what the bebop in the fucking title is???", "Ew. Faye looks fine.", "Yeah I mean even the actor's in Scott Pilgrim felt more cohesive", "Oh ok so this is gonna be along the lines of the live action Avatar the Last Airbender...", "Sheesh. I know it's just a trailer, but the tone this sets feels absolutely NOTHING like Cowboy Bebop.", "Faye unironically calls Spike a \"lunk head\" in the original. What show are people remembering?", "The ghost in the shell movie was an exact replica of the anime, my only hit on it is white washing it with Scarlett Johansson. It didn't do anything special or any twist on it, just a carbon live action copy. Batou was perfectly cast though and spot on.", "Episode 2", "It got canceled", "its literally just a motif they ran with for the trailer for visual flair, and they did it excellently", "Haha, I don't think an age swap would help much. They're both in their 40s. Guess Shakir is just aging well. I definitely agree I'd prefer Jet Black feel like an older character while Spike is maybe mid 20s-30ish.", "Idk, lunkhead sounds way better than dipstick. Spike is kind of a lunkhead.", "Heavily agree. It has this feel like the Ender's Game quality of feel that you get when you watch it. Everything feels so fascinating and in your face, but so dirty, dingy, and neglected. Like a society well past it's prime. This trailer feels poppy and spunky and cute. While I guess there were episodes like that, those were definitely not* what the show was about.", "I just don't understand why you'd take a perfect thing and try to shove it into a different medium. The only place you have to go, is down.", "looks absolutely terrible.", "The movie got me into the Manga. I found both to be good and the movie did a pretty good job capturing the tone and adapting what they could of the comic. I still think they took a bigger chunk of the story than they could cover in one movie, it really should have been adapted into a series or something, but for making a 2 hour filmed adaptation I feel like it came out as good as it could have.", "I was hoping it was gonna be CGI but here I am disappointed and my day ruined", "When I saw Andrew Koji and Iko Uwais were part of the movie, I was super excited but they spent the bulk of the movie on Henry Golding who let's face it not suited to martial arts, I guess the casting choice was based on the logic that by the next movie snake eyes will be played by a stunt man with a helmet that covers his face all the time, but I don't really see a sequel happening.", "What indeed? Why is that an issue?", "I think people need to realize that there is no way to perfectly portray an anime in live action. That's why it's called an \"Adaptation\". They are Adapting the source material for live action portrayal. It will be different, no matter what. As long as it's entertaining, I'm excited and welcome it!", "its not a movie though?", "Something is off about this. I would rather have characters that more loosely resembled the characters in the show, that are relaxed, behaving more naturally and introducing the story to a new audience in a contemporary way. This looks like it’s neither good cowboy bebop nor good TV.", "At that point they'd have to call it [Boobie Doo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf4RjsdJE0I).\n\n^sorry^for^the^pun", "Arin?", "Ewww", "Honestly I’m glad they made a strong choice on the tone instead of going for something bland. Should be fun as long as you’re not one of those people who form their identity around the media they consume… yeah I’m talking about you, all of Reddit.", "I feel like they tried to give us Scott Pilgrim but what we got was Speed Racer.", "The Flintstones (1994) is a masterpiece", "This looks awful. Enough American remakes of foreign classics please.", "would have been perfect for the role", "No", "Faye definitely felt the worst to me as well. On closer examination after reading through some of the comments here I do agree that they didn't get Spike very close either, but the initial look worked so well I didn't question it at first. Jet definitely seemed fine.", "He is actually a great actor outside of shaggy", "oh damn I didnt realise this adaptation retroactively ruined the original anime!", "Please will they just stop making live action remakes of anime. They are all bad and they do a disservice to the source material. It’s just embarrassing.", "Spike and Jet go to White Castle.", "Kenshin is definitely up there especially that last one they did...", "But really where's Ein? Only he can pull this back from the brink", "LMAO at people with these copy and paste comments ready to hate on this regardless of what was released. Meanwhile 99% of viewers just think “cool trailer, might check this out”. \n\nBut wait sorry, I meant to write “ThE aCtIng iS sO bAD”, can I get an upvote now?", "main dude looks like a asian timothy huton, or whoever played the main lead in the og Leverage", "I unabashedly and unironically love this", "Also, where the fuck is Ed?", "Sweet home is beyond terrible tho ( the series, the webtoons pretty cool)", "Go into it already accepting failure, and you come out whelmed in the least.", "Not op but the Netflix live action series was alright. Not as good as the anime (though they did manage to tone down the child predator vibe of the main character, which was nice), but it wasn't total horse shit like the vast majority of live-action anime adaptations.", "It sounds better because that's what you saw originally and you're used to it. You saying Spike isn't kind of a dipstick?", "> 3 Cosplayers from Bumblefuck college and paying the extras in weed and handies\n\nI mean, that's not far off the mark for production value of like half of Netflix's original shit.", "Nah", "I think someone will eventually figure it out, and when they do, will set a new standard/template. But we won't reach that point without trying and failing.", "The only reason half the stuff works in the Anime is because it's an anime. A lot of that stuff becomes really weird, out of place, and off puting when it's done by real actors.", "Hey nutbuckets!", "If you’re a fan the last thing you should want is more bebop content. The series was almost perfect for its time. Let it be over. The last thing I want is some sort of shitty sequel or prequel that ruins the original series.", "I'm not really excited for the live version of Cowboy Bebop but I think that teaser is pretty slick.", "Yup, Ed missing from the trailers hurts because Ed is so great in the original but they are going to have to heavily crop down Ed, a live action word for word action for action copy of Ed would have us waxing nostalgic for Shamalan's Airbender.", "I need at least 2000 of you to remember the anime still exists.", "What're you talking about? Dragonball Evolution is the best adaptation of Dragon Ball to date, topping out even the original mangas.", "This is what has me worried. I've seen one too many bad anime adaptations, so this makes me think that they didn't require that the choreographers watch the source material. They just let them be lazy and google 'Spike Speagle fighting style', which led them to the Jeet Kun Do wiki. They saw it was developed by Bruce Lee and went. \"Okay, he fights like Bruce Lee,\" and they called it a day. If other aspects of the show have that level of effort put in... well, it might still be an enjoyable story about broke bounty hunters in space, but it probably won't be Cowboy Bebop as we know it.\n\nBut yes, this was a very short trailer. His fighting style might be better in the actual release. The biggest difference between the fighting we see in the trailer and the fighting we see in the anime IMO is that Spike doesn't tend to use his situational awareness in the fight to block the attacks of his opponents, or strike before they land, but rather to be where their fist/weapon isn't. He uses the flow of the fight to use the opponents momentum against them after letting them wear themselves out striking at the empty space he was just occupying. It gives an air of frantic, kinetic desperation to his opponents that acts to offset and emphasize his cavalier attitude about the whole fight.", "[Be water, my friend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMwBwFj5nQ)", "Your point being what?", "I am offended that Ed and Einie weren't in the trailer.", "I am Batmanuel!", "This should be top comment", "Yeah... honestly, this looks pretty fucking bad. Filmed & shot like a hokey commercial or parody comedy skit on corny 70's action entertainment, or a high-budget youtube fan/cosplay skit. Doesn't really match the tone of the original anime either. Like, at all really. Still can't get over the questionable casting choices too. Probably gonna pass so that my expectations aren't completely crushed.", "Really? I'm in that same spot, just didn't watch it because I didn't want to experience what has happened in the past with things like DBZ or ATLA", "Japanese live action Death Note movies were great", "This feels fan made but in a really good way.", "I haven’t seen the original anime version or read the manga, but the live action of Alice in Borderland is pretty good", "Bebop was camp but with really great serious overtones and moments. It’s actually really hard to write/produce a show that way and have it not come off corny or shallow. That’s one of the reasons it’s such a great show, and the reason why I’m doubtful that any remake will be able to replicate that.", "I hope the actual series is not all like this", "Honestly I think it looks great so far, I think it captures the vibe of the original show with its own live action spin on it. I like the Scott Pilgrim vibe, it makes it feel connected to the anime to me... the casting seems incredible to me too. Might end up being a good live action adaptation", "I watched the Warburton series when I was younger and couldn't understand how they actually found a real live Tick and Arthur. I was pretty skeptical about the new series but it really grew on me. Was pretty disappointed it was cancelled. Was excited to see what they would do with Dot and Overkill.", "If there's one takeaway from this, is that you're never gonna improve on perfection. There's just no way to top the original. As an absolute die hard Bebop fan, I never expected much, and I'm going to watch it anyway, but it's important to set the correct expectations for yourself. It's impossible for me to be disappointed, because I knew it was gonna suck.", "Thissssss...\n\n...is going to be terrible", "It took me awhile to put my finger on what felt tonally incorrect since you're right, the show's tone varied from episode to episode and certainly some were goofy. However I think the characters were very consistent as the tone of the show shifted, you always knew how each character would react to whatever insane thing was going on because they were all so well realized. The characters in the anime felt more like they were grounded and stable in a crazy and shifting world, the characters in this trailer felt more like just another part of the craziness. Not saying I hate it, but it does feel like they missed the mark on the characters so far, and are going for something different.", "Geezus, Cowboy BeBop finally makes a return after all these years and we get this. Trash. This is one of my favorite animes and its good that it will be on such a big platform but I want people who have never seen it to see how it actually is. I got zero feel from this trailer looks super clowny.", "I liked it but felt they used the framing gimmick so much that it just became annoying.", "I didn't even really comment on her looks, did I?", "It's painful really. I don't understand why they keep yelling hey spike. I hate it. They never did that. And the shitty use of original soundtrack with a ham fisted reference to vicious. No thanks. Enjoy your cash grab. I'm out", "So did I. So will most people. Reddit is often comically out of touch. Some people are lining up to bash this show and were ready with the same “tone is off”, “acting is bad”, “looks cheap” blah blah comments regardless of what was released.", "Flintstones\n\nCaspser\n\n101 Dalmations\n\nPaddingtonBear (Technically not a comic?)\n\nPeter Pan?\n\nYogi Bear did incredibly well movie sucked though.\n\nFat Albert\n\nAeon Flux", "I think the dude from crazy rich Asians and the new g.i Joe snake eyes thing would be a good pick for spike", "John Cho does seem a little too old for the role of Spike but he makes it work in his own way, like a seasoned veteran. I get that it's not going to be beat for beat but I'm optimistic about his approach. Can't wait to watch it.", "I thought the first season was great. The second season was.... Trash imo. Idk what happened\n\nI kinda understood why they canned it", "I felt exactly the opposite. Technically it was neat but the preview was a little off killer but I thought the tone was perfect", "Yeah. Great world building. Was hoping for a few more villains to show up in season 2", "Wow. This looks bad.", "Did they even fucking watch the original series lmao holy shit did they miss literally the entire heart and soul of the show. This feels like a YouTube quality sketch in every way.", "It was but that won't stop the butthurt weeks from being needlessly critical", "Oh god are you serious? What is wrong with people..", "Looks like another \"modern interpretation\" of a classic that I'll be skipping. Maybe when this modern hysteria is over they can get back to making things that are actually good.", "I can’t put my finger on it why the editing, dialogue, cinematography, etc. all screamed “super bowl car commercial” to me.", "So I completely understand (disappointing as it is), that they aren't gonna transfer Faye's outfit to live action completely verbatim. But could they really not try to evoke it just a little more than \"hey lets make her shirt yellow\"? I'm sorry but like it or not her sex appeal is kind of a major part of Faye's character.", "Is it’s series?", "Im still giving it a chance because John Cho, but that was frantic. Im hoping its the editing for the trailer (which admittedly is slick), because the action of bebop was always [effortless](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LFB8tjaZi90). That scene has a fast pace but not crazy \"smash that like button\" energy.", "Plenty of flashbacks to his haunted past in the OG show, though.", "After watching 30 seconds of the trailer, it made me realize how much out of tune the director is with the audience/fans. Why in the world would they choose these actors?\n\n\nI also kind of Wonder did the director even watch cowboy bebop? Or was it just thrown into his lap and they hope they would nail it?", "Dredd", "they made it seem spike is the main character. But he's not.\n\nthey also kinda do not work together.\n\ntransitions are cool but I hope they'll only appear in this teaser.\n\nNo Edo? I want Edo!", "Ok is it just me or did anyone else always imagine spike as a Jew? I’m Jewish myself so maybe that’s why, but isn’t his last name Spiegel? And his gun is an Israeli Jericho I believe. I always just thought he was Jewish…", "I don't care if the show is good at all, everything has sucked lately.", "He, uh, doesn't look much like that dude at all", "That looks fucking rough.", "I was struggling to find the right description for it and you nailed it. Thanks.", "And he's too short. \n \nThose 2 things just mede me not like this.", "In my opinion the way the animation was able to convey emotion during action scenes was what made the original show such a masterpiece. I just don’t get making a live action version. ($$$)", "It was because they were so smug about it before it came out. People were like \"WTF is up with this casting\" and the PR was like \"you'll all feel so stupid for questioning this\" so people were like \"well fuck your movie I guess\".\n\nIf they had come out and said, a major theme in this film is how much pain whitewashing can cause. Whitewashing is a plot point. I think it would have been much more well received, but as far as I saw zero people involved with the movie articulated that.", "Depends..do you want to gatekeep the film for not just anime fans, but a subset who like Cowboy Bebop, and a further subset who want a shot for shot, line for line live action? Or are you interested in a film that stands on its own bringing new viewers into to the fan base?", "Yeah maybe if you’re on crack. No offense.\n\nThis felt like a YouTube sketch comedy from Rocket jump more than a million production trailer from Netflix.", "Damn, would've been perfect.", "It’s definitely weird to write off a whole medium. It’s like someone saying they dislike all paintings and only go to art galleries to look at sculptures. I mean yeah they are entitled to their opinion… but writing off an entire medium of art for no real reason is a bit fucking weird no?", "I came expecting trash and I found a pretty competent trailer. Hoping that they’ll deliver with the actual show!", "It’s gotta be reaaaally hard to take something held in such high esteem as anime then do it again as live action. Kudos to them for taking it to this level.", "I seriously hope the series is better acted than this teaser. If not, it’s gonna be a hard pass from me.", "Rich Campbell?", "I hate this.", "That’s not good lol Cowboy Bebop isn’t a zany satire of exploitation films. It’s an earnest homage that plays with the camp of the genre.", "That camera work and the general direction were really interesting. I was cynical, but now I'm hyped. Don't like the casting though.", "Being a huge fan of the manga, I actually enjoyed Blade of the Immortal live action movie more than the earlier anime adaptation.", "I wonder if Netflix is aware that, yes, they are generating hype... unfortunately, the hype being generated is that this looks bad in every conceivable way.\n\nSomeone said that frame stuff would feel disjointed over the course of an entire episode. I found it jarring and disjointed in this 3-minute trailer (it was used to good effect in the staff fight, though)--to the point that I noped out of watching the full trailer because of it, the bad casting and the bad acting.\n\nHard pass on this one. I'll stick to the anime--maybe Netflix should have as well.", "Cheap and Japanese television, name more iconic duo", "There has never been a good live action remake of an anime, ever. Going back like… 20 years. So yeah you’re right he hasn’t seen the show and is just assuming it will suck, but he is going based off of a long and consistent track record. It’s not exactly a hot take.", "I know that Keanu wanted to do it. And I know that would be more like watching Keanu playing Keanu instead of Keanu playing Spike... but I have just assumed it would eventually have been him for the last 20 years. Feels like a loss not seeing him there.", "Unless it's Speed Racer.", "So accurate to the book then?", "Who else thinks spike is using the wrong fighting style in this? In the anime it was about being \"fluid, like water\"", "Never gonna see this space cowboy.", "This feels like a lateral move into Edgar Wright territory.", "I was thinking the same thing.", "Just watched that whole thing because of you. You a real one", "To be fair, the Japanese live action version of Death Note was actually pretty good. Fair few plot changes, but definitely a good watch.", "Alot of the transitions will probably be exactly like this. Not as jarring. Or styled, but the acting doesn't look like it's going to improve at all.", "Pretty sure they were trying to subdue sexualization (because 2021) but that's part of the point of the character's appearance so what the hell? Just bad all around.", " wait for the internet to respond in a civilized manner to this new development", "Not giving me the vibe of the original :( I’ll still watch it but my hopes aren’t too high", "I just nutted", "Dipstick just sounds like something a kid would say on the playground. Lunkhead doesn't. It sounds softball, sure, but it doesn't sound like a child saying it.", "I'm not mad at John Cho being Spike Spiegel but I do feel he may be just slightly too old and forlorn. Jet is perf and maybe Faye is ok.", "I can't unsee it now. Holy shit. I fucking love the Scott Pilgrim movie.", "Broooooooo I’m fucking hyped!!!!!", "I really enjoyed the the filming of this. It was fun, cool color grade, good action. However, it reminded me of Scott Pilgrim - not Cowboy Bebop. I don't I'm going to watch the show if this is the tone they're taking.", "That's a great description. 100% agree.", "Femme fatale was part of her character, taking that away is like taking away Spike's brooding lonerness.", "Are you kidding? They absolutely butchered the plotline with Hugo. In the manga Hugo is an absolute irredeemable piece of shit and Alita fails to see through it. \n\nThe entire point of the Hugo plotline in the manga is that Alita falls for him and fails to see Hugo for who he really is because despite being a killing machine she has the mind of a naive teenage girl. Hugo doesn't care about Alita at all and sees her as a tool to get him to Zalem. The movie changes all this to give Hugo redeeming qualities and turn him into a self sacrificing hero \n\nMay seem like small details changed but they are essential pieces to the character development of Alita.", "This is leaving me very, very conflicted...\n\nHonestly I'm like 50/50 on this maybe working out or being the worst thing since the plague.", "Since when did Cowboy Bebop become popular enough to become a live action Netflix show?", "This is going to be so fucking bad.", "The stupid scene splits between them is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. Wtf just film it like you do the Witcher.", "It’s verbal wildfire", "Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...", "[need some ice cream?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=erh2ngRZxs0)", "No. Why do they still try. It has never done well for a live adaptation of any anime this is an atrocity.", "The tone people have been forming in their head over X punt of years as they put the show on its own pedestal.", "is the song playing when they show vicious from the anime? It sounds super familiar, but I can't remember what from if not bebop.", "Oh 100% agree. I didn't take note of that since it's a trailer. I can only worry so much. I assumed they made it playful to get the audience that isn't already a Bebop fan.\n\nPersonally, I really like the fan theory that evetyone on the Bebop is already dead (except maybe Ed and Ein since they leave beforw the end) and they'rein limbo on the Bebop. I don't know how much I actually believe it but it is fun to view the show that way when watching it.\n\nThe show is so unbelievably nuanced and unnusual (with it's massive mashing of genres) that I think that's what drew me in as a history fan and lover of the avant-garde and uncommon. Then you have the art style, fantastic writing, perfect score, and unbelievably great English dub... the show was just an instant classic and absolute master piece.\n\nThe only thing, to me, that is a downside is session 2. I feel Watanabe's comedy may have been a bit too serious and dry in that one.", "Sounds like it", "I like it. For me, it doesn't have to be on the same level as the anime. Nothing will replace the OG anime.\n\nIf I can get a new flavor of Cowboy Bebop that is to the original as Vanilla ice cream is to Rocky Road then I'm happy, because I like ice cream and the original Rocky Road is STILL THERE whenever I want it.\n\nThat said, if they try to turn this into an oatmeal raisin cookie then I'm going to start a riot.", "Nope.", "Aww that's disappointing, I had it on my watch list too...", "Butchered.", "It’s always been one of the most popular animes", "> spitting image \n \nYo.... what?", "The subbed version, probably", "Speed Racer and Scooby Doo.", "Let’s have a reasonable and respectful discourse.", "As a fan This does not make me excited, as a fan, I'm happy the story is getting out to a younger audience. As a fan...again...this does not make me excited.", "Spike's actor: looks way too serious, like a martial arts master you see in king fu movies. Character needs to be more nonchalant\n\nFaye: looks way too \"badass tomboy with colored hair\" and not enough \"bratty femme fatale who likes to get shit done on her own\"\n\nJet: looks absolutely done with everyone else's bullshit. Only character that they got right from what I've seen.", "Irrelevant. Watch the anime if you want that. Watch this if you want a new story. Made for the audience.", "Nope.", "I like the editing, but I would feel a whole hell of a lot better about it if it was for a new project that could really hang it's hat on those slick scene transitions. Bebop's already got so much poured in the stew that it's just not going to stand out as much as it should.", "Naw it’ll be great", "It was wooden to the point that in a couple shots I would've sworn I was watching some shitty slapstick-style kung fu B movie.", "Love it. Cant wait.", "Based on the top comments on here, I don't think most of you have actually watched cowboy bebop lmao", "Yes", "Was hoping Faye would have some meat on her bones. Was a boyhood crush of mine.", "yup", "Faye does not have even a hint of her original vibe in this trailer. To be extremely fair to Netflix, I don't think it would be possible to exactly translate that character to live action. Even so... this doesn't even look like they made an effort.", "Oh they got me. The really got me.", "Wtf is going on.\n\nThis is batshit, I hope the whole show isn't this ADHD with its execution.\n\nI don't care if it's a bad adaption or just kinda sucks, it looks like it'll be a fun watch so long as it isn't edited like this in the actual show.\n\nMaybe it'll be like Free Guy, Venom 2, or F9, kinda crappy but entertaining as hell.", "Oh god, please don't netflix ruin this one too.", "Keanu Reeves comes to mind. Bad ass with a completely laid back nature.", "Why? It trampled on everything that original was known for, it's philosophical themes, and just focused on bad action played by bad, wooden actress. I guess that's why they made her a robot in this version instead of a cyborg, so Scarjo can pull it off? What is there to like about it?\n\nThis teaser is another reminder that you just don't do live action movies, they never pan out. DB evolution, Death Note, GITS, now this is gonna follow in the footsteps.", "Faye should be beautiful af.", "So far so good", "Why don't they learn their lesson. Live action adaptations do not work well.", "Yes! Wtf is up with all the weird camera motion... It feels like some weird commercial. I hope the show itself retains the mood of the anime. Also why didn't they show any spaceships in a show about spaceships?? I'm expecting the worst 😬", "I thought fan film when I was watching it. Although I've seen better fan films of Bebop https://youtu.be/XOYLhKVlK1c", "Its probably just the rose colored glasses but the FMA/Bleach live action werent terrible. I still wonder what happened to the Bleach part 2.. I miss Bleach it was such a good anime besides hearing Kurosaki-kun every 5 seconds in the later episodes.", "Rip Ed and Eien i guess 😢", "Bruh why remaking something like that\n\nActors don't even suit\n\nSpike should be someone like Bruce lee\n\nFaye should be beautiful af and soo on.", "The show might suck, but there's no fuckin' way I'm ever not watching it. Fuckin' asshole, he said that?", "https://youtu.be/6-1Ue0FFrHY. \nThanks guy.", "Edge of Tomorrow was based on a novel.", "Gods, they fucking ruined FMA, Deathnote and Ghost in the Shell, just couldn't resist making a live action bebop finally. Have mercy on us, this is going to be fucking TERRIBLE.", "Can you blame them for being influenced by such a master piece?", "Jet was the best but still didnt feel right to me..", "I can not get over how old he looks as Spike. They aged him like 15 years. It is kind of distracting as someone who has watched the series a handful of times through.", "Good talk. Lol", ">It's like you don't really know the source material do you.\n\nDo YOU even know the source material? What is this comment even. The original is known for deep philosophical themes, what it means to be human, what is a soul, social commentary. In here we have Scarjo playing a robot (not even a cyborg, because she probably couldn't pull off being part human) in a bad action flick.", "Ed comes in a fair bit into the anime. I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true here!", "Me too, he was great in Columbus. This is a terrible fit for him though.", "I'd imagine with fourth-wall-breaking split framing/shots like that it's gotta be something made specifically for a teaser", "What makes a costume look \"lived in\", and why do Netflix costumes never look lived in?", "Okay, I might be hated for saying this, but it looks awesome.", "but it was a good adaptation-- which is the point.", "The using the weapon as part of the transitions was neat but I really hope it isn't something that happens often in the release since it's really distracting and I think it would get annoying fast.", "He said that to me at a dinner.", "I hope so, anyway. If so, I'm fine with it.", "Probably shoulda went with \"soooooo, soooo good 🍆💦\"", "nope", "Sheeeeesh, another one bites the dust. Can we just stop trying to make live action animes a thing?", "Lol they're both very watered down insults. What an odd detail to get annoyed about.", "I'm probably never going to watch this live-action adaptation, but I was looking at the original anime a few days ago and it looks pretty good. Think I'll check that out.", "Me: Wow this looks really cool.\n\nMe, after: Time to go to reddit to find out why I'm actually supposed to hate this.", "I already had cancer, and then I watched this, and now I somehow have double cancer...", "It all seems made specifically for this teaser, and the teaser seems purposefully camp and silly. So many commenters here have clearly just been waiting to shit on whatever teasers and trailers got dropped. It's literally impossible to tell from this if the show itself will be good or bad, or whether it will capture the feel of the original show.", "Because they keep making piss poor casting decisions or hiring the wrong directors and cinematographers for the job. It’s poor and out of touch producing.", "I love Cho... But for the life of me I can't understand how Keanu Reeves tried for a decade to get something like this made and no one would let him do it, when I can't imagine a better person for Spike.", "Spot on.", "I mean. You can see a lot from the 3 main characters here. Faye feels generally like a different character all together, Spike felt more like a Jet Li wannabe and Jet was okay. The dialogue was cheesy which is fine so long as the characters are themselves. The action also felt off. All in all this was meant to get people more excited and I think it fails in doing that.", "It does feel kind of wrong... but also like they nailed the tone? It's almost like the show was created to defy genre...", "Sigh......", "Ain’t never seen a good live action anime adaptation", "Yeah, maybe the casting is wonky but I enjoy seeing misguided adaptions too.\n\nSeeing where they failed is always interesting to me, and I like to go into content like this with an open mind, and try to distance myself from comparing to source material until I've seen it through.\n\nSo far this seems like a disaster, but I'm really hoping it is a fun disaster with some good moments.\n\nI know it sucks to see something you love get beaten around a bit by studio execs, but we can still at least attempt to squeeze some fun out of it before judging it too harshly.\n\nAt least if it really sucks we have plenty of material to complain about cathartically for a while, and maybe that'll lead to a much better live action version down the line.", "This looks like absolute garbage", "Let’s all admit what we’re thinking: John Cho isn’t the Spike we were hoping to see from the show. Here, there’s no wit or mischief. It’s just a scowling actor. They had to nail Spike for this to work, but judging by this teaser alone, I’ve got major doubts now…", "Woha, get a load of mr. lofty expectations over here!", "They Boys?", "Don't like it sadly", "Whiffed it...... i really hope they have some spectacular writing and a good story, because i am not in love with it at first glance. The set looks fairly on point, if a bit gimmicky with the screens or w/e they're supposed to be. But the makeup and costume design, total turn off, unsure about actors....", "It's like Black Dynamite. I don't know if I like it or I hate it.", "No kidding, a silly cowboys in space adventure really can't be all that compelling....\n\n\\\\ \"call me\" starts playing\\\\\n\ngod damn it", "Which was pretty out of character for spike. If he's not shooting, his hands are in his pockets while tripping guys up.", "My favorite was that [fight with Elektra in the movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_MsszLruro), where he grabs a random mop to fight with while trying to flirt with her at the same time.", "That was fun to watch.\n\nIt can be easy to forget how much cheese the original series had, because it did such a good job on creating an immersive environment that it never took you out of it. Even when a big Django reference is chasing after a dog high on mushrooms. \n\nI dunno I guess I'm cautiously optimistic? But I guess I never had super high expectations anyway.", "Not charismatic as in \"handsome devil and attractive\", but charismatic like \"going into any situation and still got a handle on it\" kinda confident, cocky, but not overtly brash attitude, while facing adversaries with a grin.\n\nHe's definitely a flawed character and maybe not a hero, but he tries to do things right while not overly exerting himself, but you just know he's capable. John Cho's appearance so far doesn't convey that feeling, almost feel like he was being dragged along by Faye and Jet and carries his baggage with him (which anime Spike doesn't until it gets personal). \n\nI know people will say I'm reading too much into it and I can understand. That's why I said I'm trying to reserve judgement until it comes out because this teaser may not be representative of the actual series. But I am setting my expectation super low based on what I've seen so far.", "Yeah I'm hoping that the trailer was made extra cheesy and the show will actually have that toned down a bit.", "Looks like something Corridor Digital would shoot in a day.", "I feel like I’m watching Scott pilgrim vs the world", "It was pretty bad with the whole anime girl thing.", "Meanwhile John Cho, the guy they actually cast, is 1 year older than Adrien Brody lol.", "I mean, if there's one criticism I have about the original Cowboy Bebop, it's that the principle cast doesn't interact or work together like at all. They fuck off in their own directions a lot, like every episode.\n\nWhich is fine, if the tone we're going for is \"these are coworkers who don't hang out beyond of professional necessity.\" But that's not really what the show seemed to be going for, at least not given the fact that these are all ostensibly space-roommates who are presumably talking and hanging out in the moments the show isn't portraying.\n\nAnd as a result, it's hard to gauge whether an adaptation's character dynamics are on point, since the original characters scarcely talked to one another outside of episode/series bookends.\n\nIf there's anything I'm expecting to have changed, it's the fact that characters just disappear for entire episodes and only share like three words with the other members of the principle cast.", "Go watch it!", "It’s way more than that. Spike takes a lot of risks fighting but he is also an immensely talented fighter. Nearly every time he fights he looks like he’s having fun and is super cocky with attitude. He talks a lot of shit but can back it up. From what I remember the only time he gets really mad is when the goons think he’s Vicious, or when food is involved. Cho is way too serious in this trailer. I actually don’t think Faye is that far off, and Jet seems pretty fine to me. Hopefully it’s just weird because it’s a specific made trailer. It almost felt like everyone was in different rooms in a green screen and they were all told what the other person was saying.", "Not really annoyed, just puts off the wrong vibe. I'm clearly not the only one here that feels like the trailer doesn't feel like Bebop.", "Probs not contemporary- maybe speculative noir / scific noir", "I thought the shifts were awesome", "John is just way too old for Spike :/", "everything is shot in front of green screens now. most movies have no visual depth to them anymore.", "A lot of people mad this doesn’t feel like the anime enough, but thats the thing, its live action. It won’t feel like the anime. Look at any anime that goes to live action. None of them ever hit the same notes.\n\nSo take this seperately. Detach yourself from the anime and judge this off merit alone and not your preconceived notions of Cowboy. If you wanted more Cowboy Bebop, im here to disappoint you and say you won’t find it here. Instead you’ll find something different in Cowboy Bebop theme. Again if you want more of the anime, its not happening. \n\nSo just enjoy whatever they deliver to us. If you watch this just thinking about the old anime you are most definitely not gonna enjoy it, because there was never a chance that a live action show would capture the same lightning in a bottle the anime did.\n\nSo enjoy the anime and the show as two separate things. I address this to the people who are gonna watch this to just be mad its not the anime that came 20 years ago. Go rewatch that then. This will bring some new generation people who haven’t seen the anime around.", "Bebop was never a manga.", "Sure, I'm not talking about the trailer as a whole. It's just kind of odd that dipstick is bad but lunkhead is okay. Seems like getting to the point where people are just looking for things to criticize.", "\"WHO PUTS GUM ON A ROOF!?\"", "Jesus. Had no idea this existed. That was so painful, but ITYSL nails the tone of it. \n \nFucking Bullshit", "My favorite is when he played a Scottish catholic dragon-person priest in a game of D&D:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/JcaxZbUjfaY", "Look how they massacred my boy.", "What are you talking about? This is how we sound like when we play THE DIVISION 3 me and my team are gonna get sick epic loot. BOYAA.", "I get what you're saying, you're evaluating the trailer as cinema, whereas most here (and the person you replied to) are evaluating it next to the original. I didn't know the Grindhouse term so ty for that.\n\nThe original Bebop was great but it's good they're not just re-hashing the original. It would just be a bad remake then, and we have too many of those. Love this trailer or hate it, at least it's unique.", "Spiegel means mirror in German. There were rumours that he is Jewish or mixed in that direction", "Looks like shit.", "Sadly this tends to be the problem with cartoon to live action. Can't necessarily match the animation in that way due to physical limitations.", "The Super Mario bros movie.", "Casting Jet as African makes perfect sense (although the actor is too young) and Faye as East Asian does too, but spike always seemed like either Jewish or some other European.", "Well, Suicide Squad was made by the same director so it stands to reason they'd feel similar.", "Not too easy on the ears either.", "Producers of this series after watching just the anime intro: \n\nYup I think we know how to make this show. That’s all we needed to see.", "If you like this then you'd probably like the original Cowboy Bebop even more, I mean if anime is your thing. Cause I'll say this wasn't bad but it was like a subpar Cowboy Bebop. The anime is even better. I think the thing this is missing most is the style, which is always going to be hard to match since animation isn't limited by physics.", "arthur, griffin newman, co-hosts a show at UCB called the george lucas talk show, where he cosplays (poorly) and pretends to be watto, from phantom menace, and the other guy plays george lucas. they interview real people though\n\n[here's a clip of him on stage](https://twitter.com/itsamy_t/status/1236110996994961410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1236110996994961410%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fff6w2b%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)\n\nyoutube has all of their pandemic zoom shows, but the stage shows are, understandably, not available", "The second best thing about Bebop was the world building, at least to me. That's also why I enjoyed Space Dandy a lot. It doesn't have to be a sequel or a prequel, just something set in the same universe with crime syndicates, bounty hunters, space ships, and antiquated technology.", "He did injur his knee on set. Maybe this was filmed with him limited movement while recovering...idk", "yeah I'm currently cautiously optimistic. Hope for the best, expect the worst. That kind of thing.", "Fuck that was awful. I had low expectations, but good fucking god what are they doing?", "Yeah agreed I didn’t like it at all. Bad acting and uncanny valley all the way through. Surprised so many people loved it?", "Anime wise the gantz movie from 2011(ish) was tight, I’m a fan of the gto live action movie from the 2000s. Movies/TV are just largely bad rn, budgets are too high for a concise vision and marketing has convinced so many people that they need to be “fans”. The Steve carrel office sucks and the dark night was not an art film. Fuck off, you’re sub mediocre tastes, Amazon orders, and perverse relationship with chipotle are destroying the world.", "Does the Expanse count? Started out with 3 on SyFy and will finish up with 3 on Amazon.", "These live actions adaptations of cult anime make me feel really uneasy. Its like someone is trying to profit from robbing an ancient hero's grave. One day they are going to unearth Neon Genesis Evangelion and it will be so wierd, cringe and pitiful to watch.", "I still missed those big empty white eyes.\n\nShame they didn't have budged or the tech to do what they did with Deadpool's mask.", "I'll watch it day one. I just hope it is not thrash. If it's well done and fun that would be good.\n\nI don't need this to be perfect. I feel people's expectations are too crazy.", "The issue is the reason this looks so shit is because they tried to make it feel like an anime. Our criticism is ironically the exact opposite of your point.", "It doesn't look bad for a show, but it doesn't look good enough for Cowboy Bebop.", "latex intensifies", "This looks legit awful. I couldn’t even make it through the trailer. Stiff acting all around", "It's not animation but the closest thing to it I've seen is the Scott Pilgrim movie. It is so close to the style and feel of the book story, it's great.", "I watched one episode. That was more than enough.", "Please don’t suck please don’t suck PLEASE DON’T SUCK!!!", "wish I could sudo rm -rf this whole project", "God, I hope so. That was a fun promo, but I couldn't watch a full show like that.", "wtf", "I keep going back and forth between thinking it's just campy enough to work, and thinking it's as bad as [the Batwoman trailer](https://youtu.be/-DzN99gwJ4I) released a few days ago.", "They are doing it because they think they can sell it and make a ton of cash...it's literally the same reason any commercial enterprise exists.", "As a long time fan of the bebop anime, this looks like hot garbage.", "kinda of a bold choice to remove faye valentine from the story", "It was not? Like, not even close?\n\nIt’s very much an adaptation of the two-part OAV. But it drifts pretty far off the manga.", "This is a homage made by cosplayers right? I don't think it would translate well into live action at all.", "Yea isn’t spike like early 20’s?", "Live action adaptations, regardless if its Japanese cinema or Hollywood, are rarely good. Hollywood tends to white wash the characters and localize the source material/make it more \"American\" while Japanese live action versions despite sticking closer to the source material tend to go super campy with hammy over-acting, cheesy wigs and awful cgi. I think one of the reasons why Ruroni Kenshin did so well as live action was because the acting was more naturalistic. It was also more grounded in terms of the story and the characters. \n\n\n\nFun side note, one of my friends got to be an extra in the 3rd one! They're in the scene at the kabuki house, the foreign dignitaries sitting behind Kenshin and the main cast. I would've tried out as an extra too but I'd just moved away a week earlier.", "So you hope it is or it isn't the tone? \nMy body actually cringed watching this. Feels cheesy 🧀.", "I'd love to say it's a great movie in that it's great in itself. There's even a lot to learn from how it handles visuals and it's use of CGI. Everything just fits so well together in that movie.", "But Bebop isn't just those first few episodes, is it? 😉", "Honestly, kinda hated most of those. 101D was good though. Glenn Close is awesome. Best live action Disney. You remind me that at least one of the live action Jungle Book movies was alright too.\n\nDunno if I can count Peter Pan, since Hook is less an adaptation and more an entirely new story.", "Absolutely.", "It might suck, but im glad Netflix is trying.", "It’s a little bit rough on Hugo to say he didn’t care about Alita at all. \n\nBut he definitely cares about his Zalem dream more, and he uses her to try and achieve it. Broken kids in a broken world, that’s Hugo’s theme.", "First trailer didn't convince me. THIS TRAILER DOES! AWWWWWWESOME!", "Jack would certainly bring the appropriate level of swagger, at least.", "Whew that looks terrible.", "It’s so cheesy. If this trailer has told me anything, it’s to keep my expectations extremely low. It feels like they’re making it into an action comedy where I felt the anime was more akin to a tragedy.", "Where's the ennui? The existential dread?", "The only things in theatres anymore are Disney properties due to one acquisition or another. \n\nAnd unfortunately movies are (usually) expensive, and most production houses are somewhat justifiably cowards. Now that there's so much data to drive artistic decisions, artistic decisions have become business decisions.", "I don’t have high hopes for this but I’ll still watch. I would hate for my favorite anime to be totally killed like Sonny Corleone", "It’s coming back to Netflix in advance of the series, so you can refresh your memories! It’ll also probably do a lot to help establish audience reference for the live-action version, but I wonder if it will be to their favor or if the disconnects will be even more stark in comparison.\n\nI do think maybe it’ll revive interest and appreciation for one of the best shows ever. That soundtrack rocks from end to end.", "The first episode Spike stuffs a whole hot dog into his mouth then regurgitates it only to eat it again. It has a lot of different tones.", "The live action Scooby Doo was great", "Yea and maybe introduce to a new audience. The show can't be just for fans. It has to be for everyone.\n\nThe only thing I don't like is the lighting, it just seems dark.", "Signs point to them keeping Kanno Yoko's music which is a plus.", "Anybody asking for 1-to-1 remake should just watch the original.", "Ugh the death note Netflix movie could have been good, but they royally fucked it up", "Ah it looks great but, Spike looks a bit too old.", "Never watched the anime, but I’m down for this silly shit. Although, I can see where it’ll wear thin. Still, I’m in.", "Feels like half of the show to me. I approve.", "Interesting how bad this trailer looks.", "Where's Ein?", "r/FuckYouChiChan", "Pretty rare occasion when there's something long around your girlfriend 👏", "I think they want it to be something like the original. Y’know instead of a generic dime a dozen piece of absolute shit.", "Maybe that's because he's a physical person and not lines drawn on paper ya nerd. :P", "Bob Morley (from the 100) would've been perfect.", "Yeah that's a no for me dawg", "Exactly. I'm not saying it won't suck ass, but I am definitely saying we can't know that it does or doesn't suck ass until the actual show comes out.", "Most episodes are. There were only a few serious episodes.", "I'm going to be busy on Nov 19th. Yes, watching this.", "I trust in John Cho’s acting, but damn if he doesn’t have the look for Spike at all.\n\nThat said, I am willing to try and enjoy this show for what it is. Overall I liked that teaser as some sort of play on the show opening.", "Why spike no cocky smile :(", "Wow, talk about missing the mark. This doesn't feel like Cowboy Bebop at all.", "Best", "Look I’m not part of any fan base that will just shit on any new iteration of a classic title. But who the fuck asked for this monstrosity?", "The eyes were so, so unnecessary. Just a huge (ha) distraction.", "watch dragon ball evolution and death note after to really own the silly haters!", "Can’t decide if really lame or really good.", "Should have cast Andrew Koji", "He doin something", "Fucking reivisionist gaslighters the fucking tone is in the first episode “you’re gonna carry that weight”", "We don’t even have Ed.\n\nBut we have clips of characters from Mushroom Samba. Not sure how they’re gonna do that one.", "But Cowboy Bebop has some very smooth animation compared to most anime. At least I don't remember it feeling very stiff but it's been a while since I watched.", "He's gonna like it whether he likes it or not!", "Whatever happens, happens.", "I enjoyed the erased netflix series. Some plot points were changed a bit but overall I thought it was very good.", "That's cool! Thanks for the info I think I would enjoy watching it again. I always loved the movie too.", "You expect an adaptation to properly represent the source material.\nIf Miles Morales was cast with a white actor or the Ninja Turtles didn't have their coloured head bands people would also be asking questions.", "Theres a scene where a dog dies", "Jack black will be doing Japanese dub", "More animated episodes just sounds like an inevitable disaster, there's no way they'll live up to the originals and they'll be easily compared with them. Unless you make it a new series, it will forever be referred to as \"Season 2\"\n\nAt least with a live action adaptation, if it's bad you can ignore it and if it's good then it's a pleasant surprise.", "I’m pretty sure the show will be campy. It seems like the only way to do a live action version of anime. Trying to play it straight almost never works. Hopefully it’s not this campy the whole time, but I’m expecting a good amount of camp.", "Thank you, you couldn’t have said it better! Such a horrible miss on the character it’s like they never even watched the show.", "\"Am I typing unclearly? NO! Everyone else is the one who is wrong!\"", "I see you've never met my mother-in-law.", "The sets also seemed incredibly cheap. like anything outdoors was so obviously a backlot that you'd be reasonable to conclude that they were playing it up on purpose.", "Oh my God this made my stomach turn. This looks TERRIBLE if this is how the actual show is haha. Oh boy... my favorite anime of all time here we go again.", "Hell yeah Downtown Griffey Newms!!!", "Yeah my initial reaction was “just because it’s neat doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.” \n\nCan we just accept that certain media isn’t meant to be portrayed in live action?", "I'm going to give John Cho a chance as I cant imagine anyone playing spike correctly. I like to see more of Spikes arrogance mixed with his \"zero fucks\" attitude. Perhaps the direction of Tony Stark, but with more swag.", "And the lip flaps almost match up, but not quite", "Please, Netflix, do not accept this sad redditor's challenge.", "Interesting", "The actress is playing more manic pixie dream girl than sultry bounty hunter with a tortured past.", "All the outdoor scenes are so obviously on a backlot that I was left wondering if they were playing up that feeling on purpose.", "I hate everything about this", "After watching Warrior, felt like Andrew Koji could have been a great fit if they had to have a live action adaptation", "Yeah, and you can recreate the look, but you will never get a 1:1 direct translation of anime to live action. So be happy with the bits that make if feel like an anime. But comparing Jon Cho to Spike the anime character instead of trying to see how his performance fairs in the show as a whole is silly.\n\nLiterally nobody has made a 1:1 anime to liveaction that lives up to the anime.", "This looks terrible", "stop making animes and cartoons live action what the hell", "But the original was made to have a broad appeal? All this is going to do is piss off fans and draw a handful of people who want like the other content related to Bebop because it's completely different.", "Probably because some of the most memorable moments of the show were the emotional ones. The extra campy episodes were one off but the main story episodes were quite serious, kinda like x files. \n\nTheres some GREAT camp episodes (mushroom one, ein's intro episode), but all of the character development came from dramatic moments backed by beautiful somber music.", "Good idea. Expectations now set to low.", "Anime never need a live-action re-enactment", "You basically just described Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.", "cant leave anything alone can they.....", "#MARK ZUCKERBERG", "A lot of really good movies are remakes of old movies and are drastically different.", "welp. atleast i went in with low expectations.", "To be fair though, he is exerting some force in this fight. He is very relaxed but he does throw a few hard swings and vaults over the table. He's not super flashy but he is a little flashy at points, like when he's kicking those dudes on top of the car.", "I don't think a single person asked for this.", "And Cowboy Bebop copied the Usual Suspects\n\nhttps://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/63c29c157dcefca7a6afc793160c760d0897d619/52_116_1940_1164/master/1940.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=6966b99d33328feaaf03ae830fb13a82", "On what planet? Dude looks nothing like Spike and if his acting in the 100 is anything to go off of, wouldn't come close to matching Spike's energy.", "They didn't do a frame by frame recreation of it!? The horror!\n\nSeems they are going for a more exploitation vibe for this one which is actually an interesting way to tackle the source. We have Cowboy bebop, we don't need it redone shot for shot and if that is what you want, its really, really dumb and you will definitely get your panties twisted over the new show.", "It’s because there are 3 separate scenes spliced together to look like one during most of the trailer so the actors aren’t really talking to each other even though it looks like they are.", "This trailer was actually cringy to me, like I would be embarrassed to tell someone I like cowboy bebop. The biggest problem is they took the characters' appearances from the anime and tried to put it into live action form with actors that don't really look or feel like the part. Also the acting was weird. I didn't like it.", "Those failures don’t change the fact that occasionally she rises to bad-ass status. She can fly the hell out of that ball ship, she drives and shoots skillfully, she can work a gambling table with sleight-of-hand skills, and she’s not afraid to shoot her way out of the room. She’s also faking her way through a nearly unprecedented case of future shock and on the run from criminal creditors.\n\nFaye is a colossal fuckup and about as trustworthy as worn twine, but I think it’s fair to say she’s also a bit of a badass.", "Wheel of Time and Cowboy Bebop on the same day. Nice.", "That's very true but doesn't really change my point in this case.", "I mean, the serious and emotional episodes was only like 5 or 6 episodes. The vast majority of the 26 episodes was the camp and the parodies of other genres and films. \n\nSo it would also make complete sense for this live action show to be mostly camp and then emotional every once in a while.", "I mean in that video you just shared, Spike is flashy af. The difference is really in the cinematography and the fact that one is live-action and the other is an animation.", "I love John Cho but he's not tall enough, handsome enough, young enough or cool enough to play Spike Spiegel. There's a fuckton of asian actors who could have done the job, but I get it: it's not his fault that he's the biggest asian male star in America.", "It doesn't matter. When people say the \"tone\" is off they really just mean they didn't like it, because it looks and feels weird. The anime didn't give me cringe vibes while this does.", "The cutaway lines are actually paying homage to [the show's opening credits](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-D9LrFJd4).", "Why does it need to be live action at all? If the story doesn't translate well without hacking entire characters out don't do it! Why can't they just leave well enough and let stories stay in the media that makes sense for them without trying to force EVERYTHING into tv or movies.\n\nI know the answer is MONEY but it still irritates me.", "Which in and of itself is bizarre and cause for concern, considering they’ve shown scenes and characters from Ed-centric episodes. \n\nOne wonders what they’re planning and why they can’t just stick with the slightly androgynous, weirdo hacker kid character. Within the current dynamics of gender identity, Edward needs no adjustments to remain an icon, and fucking around with that character is a minefield.", "lol didn't realize this was in brazilian portuguese until the short man in the car", "Samurai X was about as good as it could have been. Perfect casting, cinematography, fight choreography..... just good shit overall. Ghost in the Shell I actually liked but nobody else did. Ah well.", "It's gonna be trash but I'm gonna eat it up anyway", "3,2,1, let's not.", "All 3 of them just feel so off, like it just feels like people cosplaying as the characters and their personality doesn't match.", "why did it feel like a series on youtube?", "This looks horrid", "I gotta say, that trailer does not do your claim any justice 😬", "Are you trying to convince people the original was good and this is good or that neither were ever good? The anime was less cringy partly because it was animated and didn't feel weird. This felt weird to watch.", "You’re joking, right?", "Yikes I feel like I triggered something", "Uhm no, there's plenty of people saying this to the refer to the neo-noir depressing tone Cowboy Bebop overall has.", "It's not at all a fair comparison. Miles Morales is a character that tells Spiderman stories through the lens of a POC living in New York. Jet's stories aren't especially anchored by his race, so him being played by a person of colour should in no way effect how faithfully his stories can be told.\n\nNow, if they use this casting choice to start telling stories about POC via Jet Black, you'll have a point about it being a 'proper adaptation'.", "It was such a great show, they spent forever trying to get Amazon to approve the 3th season and they just canceled it.", "Imagine being apart of this movie and reading these comments 😂", "I would've liked a seasoned martial artist for Spike... There are plenty who can act.", "i love cowboy bebop. my favorite anime of all time and ive rewatched it at least 10 times, including the movie…\n\ni know people like to be pessimistic and stuff but honestly this looks kinda cool. i dig it personally—from one cowboy bebop fan at least.\n\nit doesn’t have to look like bebop. it just has to set it’s own tone and style apart from the anime and not try to copy it.", "In that vein the portrayal of Spike should be closer to the landlady from Kung Fu Hustle", "OMG. That's nightmare fuel.", "Yooo", "It shares the attitude for eccentricity and avant garde storytelling/production it seems. \n\nIf they can nail the Pierrot episode, in how weird and stylistic it is... We'll be good.", "Mmmmmmm gross.\n\nClassics to HD shot for shot remakes? Always support.\n\nClassics to live action non-shot for shot remakes? Always no.\n\nI appreciate what they're trying and failing to do, but it just can't live up to the show in any respects and will just end up being universally hated.\n\nReminds me of dragon ball live action and it's nowhere near as bad and really doesn't deserve that kind of hate.", "Well I couldn't go past 40secs, utter cringe imo", "They are holding a pose while only their face or mouth moves.\n\nThey appear to be mimicking the action of animation, and think the directors are to blame.", "Spiegel is a Jewish surname", "That’s the easy answer but I don’t know if I have that much time in the next few weeks!", "Holy fuck i just googled it and John Cho is 49?!", "Unpopular opinion I liked it. Yall way too elitist", "I got the feeling that you didn’t watch bebop", "The director should know that a character's silhouette is a part of their trademark.\n\n Spike Spiegel had a very specific silhouette, and capturing that would be a very important part of embodying a character.\n\n\nThat being said, i'm gonnna watch the shit out of this show when it comes out.", "Completely missed the atmosphere of the show, Lackluster casting, Not one cigarette for spike, Faye is not hot. Hastily, carelessly made; a simple money grab, and an ultimate disappointment to the original. \n\nI expected nothing less 😩\n\n\nReally, no fucking cigarette? Is that too inappropriate \n\n\nfuck this", "There's very little, to no character development in Cowboy Bebop.\n\nWhen the series start, they're already fully realized humans, with built in beliefs and each of them with their own past they're carrying.\n\nNone of them changes throughout the episodes, we just get to know a tiny bit of their past and then understand their views on life based on it", "> 0 actual plot\n\nThe stylistic tone of the show was a major draw of the series. Tone is important.", "Faye seemed really chipper.", "Best scene and song in the whole series imo", "Cowboy Bebop fans have been shafted", "> I hate everything this is doing to the legacy of Cowboy Bebop so far.\n\nI'm not mad at it. I think everyone except Jet Black needs a few martini's in them to loosen up a teenie bit.", "Alita: Battle Angel", "It shows appreciation for the source material at least. The Death Note movie clearly was written by someone who read a 2 paragraph synopsis of Death Note and thought that was enough.", "the tone feels like college humor", "Because it's true. The fact you'd use the term gatekeeping because some people simply don't like the tone of a trailer sounds like the kind of thing a moron would say.\n\nAre you gatekeeping the use of the word moron, moron?", "I can’t believe how perfect Jet Black is. I’m stunned.", "Not sure exactly why but this trailer just feels confusing and cheap. If not for the presence of John Cho(wearing a frizzy mop for a wig, who green-lit that??) and the Netflix logo I would think this was a fan-made or film school project.\n\nThe one major feature that makes the original animated series and movie stand out from the sea of other anime was that it understood \"Cool.\" This is not cool.", "Fuck\n\nK well I guess cowboy bebop is going to be lost to time\n\nCause you know damn well this is going to suck ass and completely stain it’s reputation", "This. Good memory", "This comment has to be satire lol", "Alice in borderland", "Thats because this is a skit not the actual show.\n\nBut it will probably be similiar.", "You noticed that too? I want to blame the director for that.", "Hell yeah dude, that’s cool af.", "I agree. Also i'm totally watching it and if it's as entertaining as this trailer i will be happy.", "\\> Fucking reivisionist gaslighters the fucking tone is in the first episode “you’re gonna carry that weight”\n\nI think you might want to rewatch bebop before you comment so confidently on it.\n\n\"You're gonna carry that weight\" isn't from the first episode, it is from the end credits of the final episode. The first episode isn't even noir, its full on western/post-western, drug runners ending in a shootout in Tijuana.", "Meh.", "Anime ages are always stupid and never make sense. 17 year old's act like they're 35. Though funny enough, the actor playing Jet is 9 years older than Jet was supposed to be in the anime.", "I enjoyed Death Note.\n\n\nIt wasn't very good, but I enjoyed it.\n\n\n\nIt has to be seen as a completely different thing than the anime.", "I feel like I’m watching some cosplay, makes me wanna watch the original anime instead of whatever this is", "The woman playing Faye OBVIOUSLY did NOT do her research or homework.. She probably read the script. And pulled a Bill O Riley. FUCK IT WILL DO IT LIVE", "Cho is damn near 50. We WISH he was in his early 40’s. \n\n50 year old Spike doesn’t really make sense to me.", "jeet Kune Do is a bullshit martial arts anyway so you could say that what he’s doing isn’t far from the martial art", "What about it leaves such a bad taste in your mouth? It’s one of my all time favorite anime.", "The anime used limited animation very well. Most action shows compensate the budged-consuming scenes with others where stuff barely moves, but I feel like Cowboy Bebop distributed movement very nicely so the non-action scenes don’t feel stiff.", "I loved how they scuffed the audio in the first scene with the VIPs. Then they had to overdub their voices, and it sounded horrible anyway.", "Ive never seen this anime but this trailer looks rrally fun.", "Maybe it will be good in it's own right but I just don't know if this is a good adaptation.", "I hope that was a f'ing joke.", "If the entire show is like this, it will be unwatchable.", "Faye I think is 22. Spike is 27 and Jet is 36. But they all act as if they'd be 10 years older. As with all anime, ages are kind of silly. Spike didn't have an official age though when they started the show. They came up with the idea of him being 27 as it was the age a lot of famous musicians died as they were making the show I believe. Actually may have came out after the show ended.", "This feels like a well edited cowboy Bebop themed candy/gum commercial lol", "humanity restored", "I was hoping for some thing like ... That belongs on TV. Firefly? Mandalorian? This feels like ... if deadpool was making a youtube short. I hope it just feels like a commercial because it is one and the show is completely different.", "This show is gonna suck. Not gonna tarnish my memories of the anime by watching this.", "Alice in Borderland was way better than most manga adaptations.", "Yeah and how does that story end? See you later space cowboy.", "Honestly I'm shocked there's no corgi to be found. What moron at Netflix decided to omit the cute dog. People go crazy for cute dogs!!", "I think it's dope they're doing their own thing tonally. Bebop was such a unique blend of genres I'm ready to see them do something creative with it. At least they are being creative even if it sucks. I hate when they do a live action or other adaptation and its just a shitty recreation", "Just keep in mind that this cowboy bebop isn't cowboy bebop either. If that makes sense....\n\nJust try to separate it from what you think it should be and maybe it can stand on its own as something fun and interesting that is just strongly inspired by the source material but isn't the same.", "I would kill a man for a Terry Gilliam adaptation of Alice in Wonderland. \n\nInstead he did Tideland and I cried inside.", "My favorite part of the anime was the telepathic threats.", "There was always a push for Cowboy Bebop to have more, but the original creators/director pushed back and refused to do more. Felt the series was perfect and shouldn't be touched.\n\nNetflix threw enough money at them though to get the rights for a remake. Though it definitely could have gone better if they just did a full animated reboot.", "What's with them making live action anime as if someone asked for it?", "Yeah that slash didn’t work right in my sentence at all. I hope it’s not the tone of the show for these three characters (and I doubt it will be). I think this was a 70s-style teaser right from the title card, so they played the 70s cheese a bit and had fun with editing.\n\nGranted there were some wacky episodes, and Ed’s going to surely add some odd live action element to things when she comes in which I hope translates alright.", "Why did I come to the comments? What on earth was I thinking? This is why I'm beginning to hate Reddit.\n\nHere I am thinking \"oh look, what a well done and cool looking trailer! This gives me Scott Pilgrim vibes and I love that movie. I wonder what other people are saying\" and sure enough ya'll are just shitting on it because it's not exactly what you wanted.\n\nCome on people, lighten up!!!", "While the original was made to have broad appeal, I only caught it at 1am on an adult swim rerun.\n\nThis is a humongous audience and going campy like OP said may bring people in and they could enjoy it in a different way and still hopefully love the whole thing like we do.\n\nI didn't quite catch your last statement.", "Even with the anime there was a pretty wide balance of serious grit episodes, philosophical episodes, and crazy goofy episodes, so TBD. No easy feat to pull off the balance - there’s a reason CB is timeless. Fingers crossed!", "What is your point, are you trying to claim that bebop doesn't have wildly varied tones over its mostly episodic run, that episodes like toys in the attic, mushroom samba, jamming with edward, stray dog strut, etc are dark contemplative neo-noir pieces?", "https://open.spotify.com/track/6BdpQ5lDOUNbaER31ajumE?si=fd0wQiq8SD2QoRfLkrMKPw&utm_source=copy-link \n\nThe Thai guitar/funk remix", "To play advocate here, that is slang from her time period.", "Detective Pikachu", "This feels like a fake show or movie ad you would see in another movie or game. Like a skit or commercial for a car. I'll probably still watch just to check it out.", "Where's spike's jeet kune do? he's suppose to flow like water. and they couldn't find a younger asian actor or use make-up to de-age him in a way? \n\nthe fighting looks terrible, Here comes bad guy 1, okay, now bad guy 2, etc", "Iunno, can he act? Works for me", "I was not expecting to cringe from watching this. This looks bad.", "TIL Jet uses a Chiappa Rhino.\n\nGood man!", "Faye's an elegant and dangerous femme fatale, not...whatever this show is trying to make her.", "I don't know what to feel about this.", "He is a great actor really", "we still dont know the tone as we havent seen how they will handle the plot yet.", "And another where not even their lips move, but they all, each, consecutively, in vibrating close-ins, go, \"UHR!?\", \"HU!\", \"WHR!\"", "Yeah, even knowing some major spoilers, the anime could still manage to ramp up the tension.", "and at the same time they did tons of wacky shit. the show itself is kinda tonally everywhere.", "She was fully prepared to curbstomb 12 guys, but she she's much more of a crack shot than anything else.", "casting director may need to watch the show", "Yeah. His first two lines had me thinking he wasn't going to be able to get all the words said.", "Faye's a really good shot. She blows off a moving car's hubcaps and makes it crash during a high speed chase from her own vehicle.", "Ever feel like there's just something off about their movies? I'd say a lot of their shows are done pretty well, but when it comes to their movies...you can usually tell it was done by Netflix. Kinda hard to put my finger on what it is", "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about.", "I just wish it was more standard to tell other stories in the worlds of these properties. I plan on watching the Amazon LOTR show if only to encourage that kind of tactic.", "The Gintama live adaptations were surprisingly good!", "So am I. This is like Toshiro Mifune energy from half a dozen samurai films, lounging around when people tell him how serious all the problems he should care about are", "From a fellow old fart, just don't watch it. It will only lead to pain.", "Faye's an elegant femme fatale who dresses the way she does to manipulate people because she is severely emotionally damaged. \n\nThere's nothing wrong with a charachter who is intentionally sexy.", "This is not true.\n\nBebop's brilliance is that an episode is tonally consistent but the show is all over the place and yet is still coherent.\n\nBebop IS a funny action show with drama and dark moments when it wants it.\n\nI mean, this is a show where the first episode they chase a bounty of a drug dealer and his dreaming girlfriend as they both do some really fucked up stuff but also just want to find a stable life.\n\nAnd then the next episode is a fucking hilarious chase episode after a data dog.\n\nYou can't capture that in a single trailer. We'll see how the actual product is to judge it.", "Mostly he just looks sleepy.", "the story arcs are all over the place but there's a pretty consistent, laid back, melancholy tone across the whole show that helps build towards the ending. The only exception is that psycho fat man episode that felt like a Batman TAS episode got mixed into the show.", "it pisses me off with how much they rushed the plot. Honestly if it was slower and they didnt make Alita look so damn weird in a world full of weirdos it would have gotten a sequel. The pace of the plot tells me they were not expecting to get greenlit for one.", "God no", "No, you don’t seem to understand. The “parts that make it look like anime” are campy and trash. It’s not anime, it’s live action. It needs to be adapted to screen. Also, adaptations have been done well, Netflix is just garbage at it.", "man this is terrible", "Ein is confirmed to be in.\n\nEd in the original didn't appear for the first 8 episodes.", "\"But Spike, I sell Red Eye in the community!\"", "i do not get this take. Bebop goes everwhere and anywhere. Its tonally a mess until the main plot take hold which i guess fits the theme?", "Same!", "jet is 36", ">Have they ever actually seen Bebop? They seem to think it’s a lighthearted action comedy.\n\nHave you ever seen Bebop. Most of the show is lighthearted action comedy.\n\nYes there are serious episodes...but this is a trailer.", "I agree Bebop had good world building, if there was another series set in the same universe it would probably fuck it up.", "This honestly looks like one of those fake CollegeHumor trailers making fun of the IP. Right down to their turning Ballad of Fallen Angels into a joke.", "This looks like shit look at the original bow look at this it's not even. The same thing", "i have a feeling this is gonna be bad.", "Make original content. Stop making shitty live action versions of beloved cartoons. Stop rebooting shit too.", "Why try ruining my childhood?", "Whaaaaaat that looks so sick!!!", "This was a fun trailer. A sampling of art and personalities.", "With karate ill kick your ass, from here to right over there. Oh yeah mutha fuka I'm kick dereaire. You broke the rules and now ill pull out all you pubic hairs!", "Gatekeeping is going to be the source of the majority of the criticism this gets.\n\n“tHiS iSn’T tHe sAmE aS tHe OrIGiNAL tHat i wAtCHeD beFoRe aLL oF yOu!!”", "i didnt mind Misa being the brains behind Light, but they didnt take it anywhere. The execution was terrible.", "This teaser is shit compared to the [Opening Credits video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2N-9EmedA), the latter of which gives me the old bebop vibes to want to watch.", "Yeah, they shouldn't have touched it.", "What a god dam reference. Bravo.", "Yeah, a total miscast for Faye. Doesn't look like her, and is much older too.", "All the talk about \"Tone\" makes me think people are just parroting what they've read online and nobody really has any idea what this show is going to be like until it comes out and they actually watch it", "I gotta admit, I loved the way they played with the \"frames\". Very Duck Amuck of them!\n\nBut I don't think it'd work all that well for a full series. One of the \"silly\" episodes, maybe, but not all the time.", "Methinks you forget the episode where the crew gets high on mushrooms and engages in a looney toons meets blaxploitation train chase (mushroom samba), or the episode where the crew is stalked by moldy lobster leftovers in a goofy nod to aliens (toys in the attic), or the silly cowboy episode (cowboy funk)... a lot of the non-main story episodes (which is the majority of them) are light goofy pieces, for me the heart and what makes bebop one of my favorite animes is those main story episodes that are more serious, but just because they are the heart of the show (imo), they aren't the majority of it.", "🎷", "I get ya. Ain’t nobody going to fuck up as much as dragon ball evolution though. And when they do, then I can understand all the pre criticism.", "I want some pickpocketing action that is smooth as fuck at least once. One thing I loved about Spike was how smooth he could be.", "im literally just gonna watch. if its bad its bad, if its good, its good. no reason to get mad, the OG still exists and ill probably watch it after.", "Exactly right. The overarching tone was essentially what made Cowboy Bebop so emotionally impactful to so many of us. This...this ain't it.", "Not OP, but for me personally I was awed at the themes of personal redemption and self love as well as self sacrifice and the care of others, especially the innocent who are vulnerable and unable to protect themselves. And then I found out that the author is a pedophile who likes girls \"in late elementary school to around the second year of middle school (~10-13 y/o)\" and was indicted for possession of child pornography. There are arguments for separating art from the artist and I have no disrespect for whose who still love the series, but for me personally I think that it's not worth keeping around or supporting, especially considering how lightly he was punished and his quick re-employment. Pedophilia and exploitation of minors is such a huge issue in Japan that I can't help but be disgusted by the indifference of the publisher, and feel that by supporting and promoting his work after the issue has come to light, I in turn contribute to the lack of punishment for such crimes and the indifference to it.\n\nI won't deny that it's good work, but I can't justify supporting it anymore.", "I……………………………………………………….don’t like it", "what, the point was that he was beaten down at an early age as payment for his lifestyle. flame that burns twice as bright and all that jazz. that's completely lost if hes literally just old.", "Prize for the most tone deaf adaptation thus far...", "After he was just mopping the wall for no reason.", "If there's no Ed I riot", "Agree mostly, bu I wouldn't say Jet's casting is good. Better than Spike and Faye, but not good, plus he's too young. Idris Elba would have been my first choice.", "compared to most anime to LA that needs all kinds of special effects, outside of a few small things, theres basically no crazy anime stuff they had to translate over which i think helped a lot. Was genuinely surprised how good the trilogy was", "i too find these people weird (not the one you are referencing), the original exists and is going no where, stop gatekeeping and let everyone in.", "Lmao right? Get ready to be dashed", "the joke is that she was bluffing and would lose if you called her bluff. she at least appeared badass until she stopped acting.", "[the dialogue is incredible too](https://youtu.be/-sMQpWCNTQw)", "i need to watch it to have an actual say.", "Dude looks like Spike's father, should have casted someone 20 years younger", "Thank you for doing so. I know it’s not much but I really enjoyed it. They all seemed to have worked on their voices too, especially Jett. The way Jett says “Faye” or “Spike” was uncanny. Looking forward to this very much.", "What .... seriously? You can see that he studied the moves and poses spike makes in the show...so what if he isn't quite as lanky.", "This feels like a screen test / tech demo / pitch / Pilot.\n\nSo, tonally, I'm going to say it vibes with certain scenes of CB. So it's not a complete miss.\n\nI'm still optimistic, and not in and underdog kind of way.\n\nEven if it's not Bebop, I think it will be a fun imagining of the source.", "Well it's real fighting, not animation.", "Not even. Just a pan through of a still scene with the MC thinking, not talking. Suspense!", "On this episode of “Why can’t anyone be original.”", "Spike is being played real stiff and way older than he should be while Jet is way younger, it's so weird.", "It doesn't lose that tone in the episode, actually that episode ramps it up when they're high and lose themselves in the ship. The show does a good job both being serious and being casually laid back about the absurdity of itself.\n\nHaving comedic/slapstack moments doesn't remove the tone of the show. Like I said the psycho episode is the only episode where the tone is lost and it plays out like a thriller.", "The main character is one of the worst actors ive ever seen and his dad looks like such an over the top redneck almost as if he was a japanese perspective on what the traditional american should look like. He legit looks like joe dirts dad, trashy sideburns and all. But the actor that played L did a really good job and held the movie together imo. Overall I actually enjoyed the movie mostly despite some shit performances from others.", "man the more I see, the more I'm disappointed I get. No Ein no Ed.. Faye's character working together.. the pacing seems way too fast... looks cartoonish. I'm really hoping the trailer was done for art/hype sake than what I'm expecting to watch.", "where's Ed?", "Thank you! Like, I don't get all this critique against him...if you ask me it's the bandwagon hate still clinging on fr the casting announcement. \n\nHe hits the poses and movements of Spike constantly....but it's live action, not animation..it just isn't going to look the same no matter what. To say he doesn't look the part or move like him is just not true. You can tell he paid attention to how Spike moves.", "RIP my hopes.", "You don’t have to watch, you know.", "i beg you to watch the original first. Its great.", "I don’t care what y’all say this looks great.", "Man Faye and spike feel kind of bad and off. I hope it hits different once the show is out. Faye just feels like a brat and idk if the actress was the correct choice. Spike doesn't give any cool vibes and I do hope the fight scenes are better than this.", "It might have been the first time...for all we know. It was a little hollow. Still have me hope though, looks like it may actually be a worthy adaptation...but Netflix has a way of screwing things up so...", "Not buying Netflix for this.", "Fox you mean?", "I'm still terrified of the thought of the first trailer for Avatar. It's going to be a shit show.", ">So far we’ve seen the intro credits role, and one heavily stylized teaser. People judging based on these 4 minutes of 0 actual plot alone crack me up\n\nSo, the point of a teaser is to, well, tease the audience. To give them a little taste and get them warmed up and excited for a movie/show.\n\nIt therefore makes total sense to \"judge\" a teaser and it's effectiveness in doing so. Some teasers make you say \"Holy crap, this looks amazing, I'm going to see that on opening day!\" - and others make you say \"Holy crap, how could they have gotten this so totally, completely wrong?\"\n\nIf we aren't supposed to \"judge\" how good a teaser is, exactly what would you say the point of releasing a teaser (or trailer) is?", "It's a little early to make that judgement.", "Never watched cowboy bebop when I was on. This look wild and I'm all in though", "hard pass", "Scott Pilgrim VS. The World", "Yeah Spike looks a lil wrinkly. I'm not upset about it though. He seems to pull off the choreography just fine.", "Ein is in the show but it sounds like Ed isn't.", "Except I rarely comment on this website because of jaded assholes like yourself.", "It looks... so. fucking. bad.", "ONLY EDGAR WRIGHT CAN MAKE THIS FILM.", "The oven baked frozen French fries of live action anime remakes, now with added Scott Pilgrim flavor!", "Black don’t crack tho", "Honestly it's giving off this old Kung Fu cheese. I think its a great way to go because those are the roots and inspirations for the original show. Makes it look like its going to be an interpretation rather than the a bad rip off. I'm worried I have ... hope", "Spike didn't smoke once in the trailer. Half of his bit was smoking.", "I used to like anime. I'm super interested in this.", "Ok. I'm about it.", "Okay that was lowkey fucking fire. So cringe at first, but the humor and film style got me in the end.", "> but it also means he should be the exact opposite of a flashy fighter.\n\nEh, I don't know if I would call Spike's choreography in the anime \"lazy\". I know what you mean, but its more casual than it is lazy. He's pretty flashy, but in a very loose break-dancey sort of way.\n\nEDIT: A better way of putting it is \"jazzy.\" There's a reason the soundtrack is all jazz.", "Well pacific rim wasn't a direct adaptation, but it was successful.\nAnd speed racer may not have been super successful but hot damn was it good. (Pacific rim is also good, they're both completely bonkers but good)", "Spike is lost in his own self centered thoughts in the anime. Here he just looks lost. Hoping that it's just the pacing of this campy clip.\n\nWe all know Ed's the hero anyway.", "Actually looks pretty good! I like the creative scene transitions", "Nah this was definitely cheesy on purpose. I really enjoyed how hard they leaned on the cheese", "Spike didn't smoke once either. Half of the time on the show he was smoking.", "My only issue is the same I have with Avatar, if I'm not watching it in 3D I don't really want to watch it. the 3D was incredible. I think they used the same cameras Cameron used for Avatar.", "You're desperate to hate this.", "They spend like a third of the show without her", "> If the netflix adaptation is 10 episodes, meaning st the lastest Ed would be in episode 3\n\nI think they've already said that they're fleshing out the series for the live action adaptation so things won't progress past a certain point of the original show, which will probably get covered with another season. So Ed would still be pretty far at the back half of a live action season.", "Oh I hate it.", "The revived theme hits my playlists now and again and fuck me if that's not the best movie theme track ever. And I'm saying that as an 80's-90's kid obsessed with TMNT.", "Agreed 100%. People are so desperate to hate this they have invented a whole new show in their minds to compare it to.", "Lol", "> The same when a book is turned into a movie, with a few exceptions of course. \n\nI'd say [more than a few](https://stacker.com/stories/678/100-best-movies-based-books), personally...", "Ed shows up in episode 9, not 8. Ed also leaves before 25 and 26. Ed is also virtually completely gone in episodes 12, 13, 16, and 20.\n\nThat makes Ed gone for over half the show.\n\nIt's possible they haven't revealed Ed yet, it's also possible they didn't see it worth it with a briefer adaptation. Or that Ed didn't translate as well as a character from anime to live action.\n\nNow, I love Ed, but it's also possible to make a solid standalone live action without Ed.\n\nI'm willing to reserve judgment until I see the live action full show itself.\n\nFor the record, Bebop is my second favorite tv show of all time. I am gonna be VERY critical of the quality of an adaptation of it. But I also recognize it doesn't have to be 1-to-1 for it to work.", "the studio that sold this to netflix managed to get bebop and one piece on board, two of the biggest properties in japan. if nothing else they're some ridiculously good salesmen to land contracts like this.\n\nseeing this in action I have no hope for the one piece adaptation either, and that one is already 100x more difficult than bebop.", "Because I gave my opinion on something? Okay then. Maybe you're desperate to love it uncritically.", "The ending of the evil space leftovers episode will never not make me laugh. With Waltz of the Flowers playing and then Ed starting the outro with \"And so they all passed away!\"", "I will make use of that right", "If any of that is true the show has a 0% chance at being even watchable\n\nThis trend of writing fan fiction and trying to pass it off as reality is so trash\n\nWrite your OWN DAMN STORY not butcher and ruin existing ones...", "You're comparing two minutes of hyper stylized trailer to all of your memories of a show.", "Agreed", "It’s finally occurred to me: modern film studios are basically, cover-bands.", "Honestly, I saw the anime probably 15 years ago and was wondering if I was crazy or was the tone just completely wrong. I guess a rewatch is in order.", "> Alice in Borderland\n\nJust watched it after finishing Squid Game a few weeks back and craving more of that content. If Squid Game is a 9/10, Alice is a 7/10. That said, the ending is actually surprisingly amazing and its well worth a watch. Its a Japanese show though, so I'd expect it to be more true to the source material. Usually the shitty live action versions are produced by western media companies and they just don't get it.", "I have a lot of reverence for the original show. But I admit I haven’t really watched it in 20 years. I know it’s not the same but I can’t pinpoint all of the different aspects from my fuzzy memories. Im just looking forward to seeing this weird B universe with an open mind.", " Man, I am super conflicted on this one. On the one hand, the shots feel very much like the Wachowski’s adaptation of Speed Racer. On the other hand.. uuuuueeeewwww idk man..", "I'm always amazed at people's ability to dislike things. We already have Cowboy Bebop, and it's over, and nothing will change that. What expectations are there to have? I have literally zero and I'm excited about it. Sometimes the internet makes me think there's a part of my brain missing. (I liked Rise of Skywalker and GoT too so... yeah.)", "I think it works best that way, but I don't think you lose too much by aging them up even significantly. They're a moron whether they do it when they are old or young, but the motivations for being a moron might be different, or they could be the same.", "The first Ninja Turtle Movie.", "What da dog doin tho", "It was a trailer...", "I wouldn't mind something set in the general world. Bebop's world building is fascinating. Something similar to what the mandalorian is to star wars. But yeah I agree a \"Season 2\" would be a disaster and a slap in the face to the original series. This live action is not looking good so far.", "This looks.. possibly more awkward than I was expecting it to be. Surprisingly, I now think Cho might actually be able to pull off a live action Spike, but Faye and Jet feel completely wrong.\n\nAlso, I don't know, this doesn't feel like Cowboy Bebop to me. Feels like something else wearing a Cowboy Bebop skin. I love the vibe, but not for this IP.", "I actually kind of liked that.\n\nIt doesn't really fit the tone of the anime, and it seems campy as heck. But for what it was, it might be OK as its own thing.", "Japanese live action of anime typically involves accurate but lacklustre recreations of the original anime.\n\nThis is... a very loose interpretation of Cowboy Bebop by someone that was given a script and the Tank opening sound track.", "No, it is not possible to make a solid version of a story with 25% of the cast missing\n\nIt definitely is not possible with CB...\n\nThe teaser shows as much. Only Jet is anything like the character he is meant to be, the whole tone makes no sense without the comic relief character\n\nEin without Ed is beyond moronic\n\nAnd yes it DOES need to be as close to 1 to 1 as possible.\n\nTHAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF USING EXISTING PROPERTIES\n\nIf you want to write fan fiction, you do you. Don't claim it is canon and real.\n\nIf you want to tell a space cowboy bounty hunter story you can do that without butchering existing properties.", "Spike nowhere in hell felt 28 to me", "The sliding bar gimmick was awesome for a short trailer, but I sincerely doubt that that will be featured in the show unless its used during just one or two scenes as a way of moving the plot forward rapidly.", "It’s like if those weird 5 gum commercials were Japanese.", "Ugh hard pass.", "The tone is best encapsulated in the juxtaposition between the original opening and ending credits.\n\nWild, explosive, zany, manic energy. And somber, dark, beautiful, contemplative.\n\nThis trailer is only showing one of those tones... and has remixed it heavily with the in universe bounty hunting show Wild West.", "I’m going to enjoy this even though it looks cringe af", "I don’t think I have the energy to watch a full show or movie done in this style. The split screen gag is super cool but not if used 100% of the time.", "I already hate it. Thanks netflix", "Neat.", "How in the heck have I missed this masterpiece until now?!", "Dipstick vs lunkhead is such a riveting critique. Not reaching at all.", "Apparently he broke his leg during filming.", " Bye then.", "oh no", "That was kinda painful to watch. Hope it’s good. I just don’t understand why this needed to me made!? Cowboy Bebop the animation was incredible.", "imo alice is the 9/10 and squib is the 7 lol", "I can't reconcile what I just watched with scenes like Faye watching her childhood video. That and the vibe of all three is off, like he's pretending to be Spike instead of being Spike.\n\nHoping it's just the way this is cut as a promo. This makes it look like they're a team that's out together to catch bounties and banters for fun, not individuals with severe character flaws.", "You ask who wanted this, but every single time something about this adaptation has been posted, the comments have been brimming with optimism.\n\nWhich I never got, because I did ask myself the same question. Who wants this?", "Cowboy Beebop is my all time favorite show. Period. Not my favorite anime, not my favorite show from my childhood, etc etc. My favorite show out of all shows in any category mankind has created.\n\nNaturally I'm legally obligated to watch this... god I hope they got it right. I'm already leery of some of the minor changes they've made (likely for practical reasons) and party because its very difficult to capture that anime magic in \"live action\" form. I'm desperately hopeful it will work out but trying not to hype it up at the same time.\n\nIt comes out on my son's Birthday so I hope it doesn't ruin my mood for that day (yes I'm watching it first! To be fair it has been around longer than him lol).\n\n\nTLDR: Beebop many good. New beebop bad, will make the angry.\n\nEdit - typo, thanks bot!", "In this case I hope they update the wardrobe. \n\nHaving an adolescent kid in a pair of overly tight shorts and a loosely fitting crop top just doesn't work in live action.", "\nHello! You have made the mistake of writing \"ect\" instead of \"etc.\"\n\n\"Ect\" is a common misspelling of \"etc,\" an abbreviated form of the Latin phrase \"et cetera.\" Other abbreviated forms are etc., &c., &c, and et cet. The Latin translates as \"et\" to \"and\" + \"cetera\" to \"the rest;\" a literal translation to \"and the rest\" is the easiest way to remember how to use the phrase. \n\n[Check out the wikipedia entry if you want to learn more.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera)\n\n^(I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Comments with a score less than zero will be automatically removed. If I commented on your post and you don't like it, reply with \"!delete\" and I will remove the post, regardless of score. Message me for bug reports.)", "Bye", "Really? I enjoyed Alice in Borderland way more than Squid Game.", "Hes too small to be spike.", "Oh, well that makes sense then", "I for one love this.", "Yeah honestly I think people in this thread are remembering the show with rose tinted glasses. I only recently watched it for the first time a couple years ago (it immediately became my favorite anime) and this trailer does not feel that far off brand to me. Its a little goofy, but the show is super fucking goofy. Anyone who thinks otherwise has completely forgotten about Ed and Ein lol. The core plot episodes are pretty dark and noire for sure, but the show is pretty comical too.", "I may be the only one, but I think you can change the tone in an adaptation without ruining the story. I think tone is rarely maintained in animation adaptations. This seems really cool.", "Where the fuck is Edward?", "I love that people are always whining about “dark remakes” of things they enjoyed as kids. Then this trailer comes out that is light hearted and everyone wants it to be dark.\n\nSo these people really think the show is going to skip the serious stuff?", "Weird conclusion to reach without even watching an episode.", "While the Netflix Death Note live action was awful, I like some of the things they did with it.\n\n* Willem Dafoe as Rjuk was amazing. 10/10 perfect performance. Not much else I could say, match made in heaven.\n\n* Lakeith Stanfield did really good as L. He did great performing that manic childish energy L has. It felt like either he or his acting director was a fan of the anime, since the mannerisms were solid. Shame the script called for him to be stopped by some dude in an alley with a 2x4...\n\n* The twist with Mia could have been good. It wasn't excuted well, but taking her from the worst nothing character to someone with their own goals was interesting. Light felt like an awkward kid, and Mia felt like how Light normally is. It would have been a neat twist if Light wasn't so bad.", "Idk, feels more like a production done by YouTubers than a high-budget studio", "I'm almost kind of relieved. The tone is so weird I think I can watch an episode of this without feeling like it's actually related to the original at all. \n\nI can't say if it will be entertaining at all. But I won't be sitting there going \"that's not like the original show!\" because clearly, it's not.", "The Tick on Amazon with Peter Serafinowicz is fucking amazing and was canceled too early and I hate Amazon forever.", "Also, Faye didn't have a problem using guns. She used guile but always had a backup plan. She was a thief and a liar she knew how to get out of sticky situations... Usually the threat of violence was good enough", "He’s most likely Chinese. In the official manga, a character refers to him as Asian, and he belonged to a heavily Chinese-inspired syndicate. As for the European name, I imagine the futuristic setting is one where ethnicities aren’t so clear-cut (we know Faye is canonically Singaporean, but she uses a Western alias).", "Spike is canonically 27", "Yes , it’s Green Bird by Yoko Kanno", "Scott Pilgrim is right on point with the 4th wall breaking transitions. I was also getting some real The Man From UNCLE vibes. Mainly from that scene with the bar transitions as they’re breaking into the base.", "More like beer flowing out of the tap", "I can't get over the fact that Spike still looks old as fuck in this. Completely throws of my enjoyment and is distracting. I wonder how this looks to some one who has no clue of anything related to Cowboy Bebop", "Hes too small and looks nothing like spike as well.", "This is just flat out false on many levels.\n\nLook no further than Lord of the Rings. Significant characters and events cut out all over the place in the film version compared to the books. Events cut out. Character dynamics cut out. COMPLETELY different ages for the characters (particularly, Frodo, who is basically just barely an adult in the movie and at least middle aged in the books at 51 during the main events).\n\nBut the movies are a masterpiece as the books are.\n\nUsing existing properties DEMANDS change when adapting to a different storytelling medium.\n\nAnd let's look at two of the best live action anime adaptations: Gintama and Edge of Tomorrow.\n\nAltered character dynamics, altered events and even tonality at points.\n\nAnd yet both phenomenal adaptations of their source materials.\n\nAlso Ed wasn't the comic relief character. Everybody in the original Bebop cast were comedy powerhouses. Hell, one can argue that Ed was the least funny human character in the original cast because of how damn funny the rest were.", "How are they butchering it by planning for season 2 rather than cramming everything into 10 episodes , exactly?\n\nI think some of you just love to complain.", "I think there's more to it. In the staff fight, he starts it off with a grimace, and throughout the fight his face looks like he's wound up and exerting himself in every move, which is the fundamental opposite of Spike's fighting style and personality, which is to be relaxed, calm, and fighting with great, fluid motions. In contrast, from what we've admittedly not seen much of, Live Action's Spike's fighting style is active, rigid, and aggressive. He looks like he's got the tension of an overworked salaryman and a conscience heavy as stone. The way he holds the staff is fine, but the difference in how he uses it is night and day.\n\nWe'll see how the rest of the show goes, but I'm not entirely confident in faith to character so far, especially valentine. I hope she isn't consigned to \"tough person who makes snarky comments\" like 99% of strong female secondary leads are, and instead they go the full \"badass woman as clever as she is able who trusts no-one, fights cheap, and oozes with seductive charm and allure, knowingly taking full advantage of her good looks, but also isn't afraid to drop that visage at the drop of a hat when she's pissed\", considering it's all a huge part of her and those traits are directly tied to her character arc and are an intentional contrast to her >!innocent and cheerful younger self, as well as the revelation that her harsh exterior is due to her betrayal from her \"first\" love and that she's secretly extremely emotionally vulnerable and empathetic underneath!<.\n\n99% of Cowboy Bebop is in its tone and characters. The complexity and depth of the characters is what sets each of them so apart, as they are deeply marred by their past and it shows on the surface every now and then despite each of their strong exteriors. I think the reason why people are so scrutinizing of the characters' \"feel\" is because if it's not right, it's like half of the strength of the show, gone. The depth and feel of the characters is so fundamental to the original show, that to mess it up and simplify it would be an immediate sign that the producers really didn't care or pay attention to the source material.", "If only they could have cast a 1970s Elliot Gould as Spike. His character in The Long Goodbye inspired a good portion of him.", "Doesn't help the end product fortunately! :(", "Literally watched speed racer for the first time this week and that’s the same impression I got!", "Spike’s on his second career, he can’t be that young >!He joined the Bebop after rising to the top with the syndicate!<", "Hearing [What Planet Is This?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA4P1A3jtu0&ab_channel=videgenial4) in this one-off is a good sign", "I saw the argument that it wasn't really meant for international viewers. Koreans wouldn't pick up on how awful that English was, and the rest of us just have to deal with it.\n\nBut yeah.. that was some of the worst acting I have ever witnessed. I've never had any acting lessons or anything, but I'm naturally dramatic enough that I could have done a far better job.", "It's a symptom of the overall off feeling with what was shown and was the topic of the conversation I was replying to. Were you expecting a thesis containing every issue I had?", "The literal only example in human history, LotR which would have been MASSIVELY better had it given the cut characters their time.\n\nThe movies are 10/10 as MOVIES go, 6/10 as LotR goes (there is a reason a 13hr radio play is considered superior)\n\nFlat wrong. Change is what ruins them. Look at GoT...(even though the 2 biggest issues \"fans\" had(have) ARE the plot of the books but w/e)\n\nCannot comment as I have no experience with those properties in any capacity\n\nYou have clearly never watched CB. Got it.\n\nJust a shill trolling. Fun fun.", "> Harold as Spike? I don't see it. And Faye should be sexier.\n> \n> All in all really, they should recognize how precious Cowboy Bebop is to its fans. The type of fans that are likely going to be very particular about their expectations of a beloved IP.\n> \n> This will bomb critically, but people who never really watched the cartoon will probably like it because it's campy and fun.\n\nThey are gatekeeping people who will like it, the actors, and the show itself.", "This aint it chief", "I think every single one of them were successful in a sense that they earned more money than invested and, artistic integrity be damned, that's all that matters.", "Why is Spike so old and short?", "That actually seems like the 'feel' they are going for.", "At 1:28, does that count as a front flipping kick?\n\nIt would be hilarous considering the original comments complaints about Spike not doing those kind of movements when some of them are in the anime", "I'll be the first to admit, I really was thinking since Netflix was doing this it was going to be another piss-poor Anime adaptation. The more promo stuff they keep pumping out, the more I am excited for it. I'm not even an anime guy, but I love Cowboy Bebop intensely, mainly thanks to the early Adult Swim days. If it has a cool art style that sets itself away from the boring schlock that I generally watch, then I'm completely onboard.", "I know he is, but he never felt like it. \n His massively impactful backstory didn't help.", "I’m hoping for the best . Work was put into this for sure.", "thanks! I tried looking for vicious theme/similar search terms but was turning up nothing.", "I think Cho is the only one I think is better than I was expecting, actually, but only from a visual standpoint. He looks the part more than I thought he would.", "The way I remembered Spike is that no matter what angle you are looking at him, even if you can't see his face, you can tell he has a smile.", "So you responded to the wrong person but if I have to answer\n\nIntentionally cutting out 25% of the cast is bad....saying \"but in the FUTURE maybe MAYBE the show will stop being bad and be the show it claims to be\"\n\nIs beyond retarded\n\nNetflix is KNOWN for not letting shows get more seasons.\n\nSo planning on it is beyond retarded.\n\nPlanning on future seasons fixing or saving the show is BEYOND beyond retarded", "Everyone's complaining in this thread, but a new version of something you like doesn't take away from the thing you liked previously. This is coming from a star wars fan, the things you already enjoyed aren't ruined by a new version of it. Unlike game of thrones where previous things everyone liked were retconned, this seems to be almost a retelling. I know it won't be as good as the bebop I remember but I think it may be enjoyable and the people in this thread demonizing it are really not appreciating how much most likely went into this production", "Nah they really did a huge disservice to many of the characters and plotlines.\n\nThe Alita movie was fine as long as you pretend the source material doesn't exist. It really missed the mark.", "You know it was fun. I’ll watch the show I hope it’s good.", "I wish I hadn't spent two minutes of my life watching this.\n\nLike... \n\nThe Death Note live-action adaptation was better than this. \n\nThe BLEACH live-action adaptation was better than this!", "Hot take:\n\nThis isn't that bad and I've seen the original. Fight me", "Yeah, the original femme fatales actually wore more clothing.\n\nNot that women are only what they wear, but the choices made when writing a character do matter, especially in this post-metoo world.", "Ack", "If this trailer was for something else that was totally new, I would be all about this. But its supposed to be a Cowboy Bebop show.... there is nothing in this trailer besides the music and the look of the characters that says Cowboy Bebop.", ">To me the biggest downfall of this is going to be that Bebop was made to take full advantage of the animated medium. The complex, retro-futurist backgrounds aren't just backdrops, they exist on the same plane as the characters. Spike's fights are some of the most gorgeous bits of animation to ever bless my eyes.\n\nThis is it for me, too. Some things cannot be expressed as well in live-action. Some things are meant for animation, and Cowboy Bebop is an example of such. \n\nI have a friend who argued with me that live action CG and VFX will become so good and integrate well with live action movies, so much so that animation will die completely, because people will prefer a live action more than an animated movie. In some ways, it's could be true. \nBut honestly I think there are some things, some stories, that are communicated best through an animated medium. That no matter how good the effects are in live action, the message communicated will be different, changed.", "Expectations set to: Cowboy Bebop Evolution (Dragonball Evolution)\n\nhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt1098327/", "Holy fuck ppl STILL hate fayes actress for a dumb joke she said?", "Don't have to tell me! I have a Boss vending machine tattooed on my leg.", "There are lots of reasons on why they are not successful but mainly because the plot is so integrated into the style of anime that if you remove the anime part of it, it doesn't feel right.", "I don’t hate it. It almost feels like they are going more for a Scott pilgrim type rendition", "I really wanted to see Andrew Koji as Spike. \n\nHe could have [nailed it](https://youtu.be/PrqtO2Fy920?t=14).\n\nEither him or [Danny Chan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-f2FJSr60) would be great! \n\nWould need to adjust him to flow more with how Spike actually fights which is in ways, as lazily cool as possible lol\n\nEDIT: Grammar; Warrior is a lot of fun ~", "I'm not going to say it will be awesome, BUT, most of you are missing this trailer is a 4th wall breaking trailer specifically shot to be a trailer.\n\nI doubt this represents the tone of the show.", "Good luck. If the show is good and considered a success maybe there's hope of an animated continuation. But this... Bebop cannot go out like this for the love of fucking God.", "It feels like the original series had an happy ending and this is them hanging out.", "ehhh i guess", "And Faye was born in 1994. Her being frozen alive for over half a century makes her look younger.", "Did anybody ask for this? Is anybody going to watch it? What's wrong with the original?\n\nThis has M. Night Shyamalan's \"The Last Airbender\" all over it.", "150 million spent on post production but the whole movie is shot in someone's basement", "Wow this looks really good", "Detective Pikachu was well done and faithful to the series, although that's technically a game adaptation.", "Diversity strikes again.", "Hell no bro. Avatar was dark and moody when the show was fun, this at least has a fun tone like most bebop episodes", "Repetitive and unfunny?", "I've watched Bebop about 5 times over. I know the show.\n\nThere is wide disagreement on that note about cut characters in LoTR. It is widely seen as one of the most perfect adaptations because it understands how to transition to its form of media.\n\nIt only needs to be 10/10 as far as movies go.\n\nGame of Thrones is not a great example, because some of the best moments in that show and were changes from the original source material.\n\nIt is only when they ran out of source material that they went completely off the rails. At that point, it wasn't just changed events--it was changed spirit of the work and also was executed worse across the board.\n\nMany of the most criticized moments in the show aren't changed events or characters--those are expected to be in the final books too--they're butchered leadup and pacing.", "Man the guy playing jet seems good. But the rest seems like an snl skit. And the girl playing faye seems really off.", "I have never been seen harder.", "It’s tonally spot on. Same thing happens in Japan when the make anime live action. It just does not translate. Even in nihongo.", "This sucks.", "Faye unloading a whole magazine on someone she can't see and carrying karambits to do kung fu with the others is so strangely out of character for her. Let alone leading Jet and Spike with bounty-hunting advice. It has to be Scott Pilgrim syndrome.", "Looks like some WB bullshit", "You beat me to posting this, I feel like who ever hasn’t seen this needs to its hilarious.", "I feel like I’m in a fever dream", "Noooooo! I love CBBB! dammit. Im gonna wait for the full release and watch it then. No spoilers for me.", "nah, this is shit bro", "I did a piss poor job at communicating that. I knew I was speaking I'll of an anime and I gave up halfway through trying to find a right way to compare live action film making and the expectations of the anime crowd.", "A lot of what works in Anime does not work in live action. Cho straight up looks like a Spike Spiegel cosplayer. His suit looks like it's straight out of the drycleaner. The blue is too bright. The popped color makes him look like a dweeb. They should have looked to [Choi-Min Sik's character from Oldboy](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTM0Mjk4NzExN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzU4MTI2NQ@@._V1_.jpg) for inspiration rather than adhere to the Anime.\n\n\nI don't mind that they changed Faye's outfit (although the sultry tackiness is kind of integral to her character arc in the Anime), but again... Some things don't translate that well like purple hair. She looks like an edgy fashion forward Gen Z high schooler. Her jacket looks pristine, but I'm glad they went with a darker red. They tried to keep the yellow top from the Anime but it just looks like a piece of cloth with a zipper and a collar. Her outfit doesn't look terrible [in this still press shot](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/netflix-cowboy-bebop-first-look-images-spike-spiegel-faye-valentine-jet-black-ein.jpg), but it does look out of place in the teaser.\n\n\nJet's outfit looks OK, it's hard to make out and kind of just blends in - which is a good thing. Same with the extras / goons. Kind of sad that the goons have the most believable outfits.", "Because she hates the fans of the original cowboy bebop and posted that incendiary video about them.", "This feels like a Super Bowl ad", "It...is a skit, though?", "It sounds like you were just too young for Speed Racer, it aired in the states starting in the late 60's. It's pretty much the reason anime is lampooned for dubbing and animation loops.\n\nAmericans weren't going full otaku, kids were just watching unique cartoons with more depth.", "I wont watch this show unless it has Radical Ed.", ">I remember the only time he gets really mad is when the goons think he’s Vicious, or when food is involved.\n\nAlso Cowboy Andy 😂\n\n>It almost felt like everyone was in different rooms in a green screen and they were all told what the other person was saying.\n\nNailed it there. I'm with you on hoping it's stylistic though.", "Fair enough. Personally, I did not get the same vibe, but I'm also generally not somebody who likes remakes of anything so I might not be the target audience.", "On god this and the few comments at the top of these threads got it.", "Absolutely horrendous.", "I don't like the choreography either but the idea that professional choreographers wouldn't even watch the material they're adapting is ridiculous. Especially an anime so popular it's already decently likely they've seen it", "Thank you for sharing!", "I could.", "It’s jazz by committee instead of live. Not the cartoon. But then again, nothing ever will be.", "If they’d released a shot of Faye and Spike looking bored smoking on the deck I’d have been like, okay they get it.", "Yeah but that's the problem. If you can't recreate it well you need to either reinvent it in a way that works for your medium, or just not do it.", "Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with anything about this", "I have ass mark too.\n\n( )(be)(bop)( )", "I find it ironic that the reason they changed her outfit was to \"make it easier for a human to move around in it\", yet the actress barely did anything in this clip. The other 2 had stunts, but she just walked around.", "Parasyte", "I’m glad that they’re (may be) trying something new.", "I'm worried now. That looked like a film school skit. The camera work was rubbish, the action looked like Power Rangers choreography, and it looks and sounds nothing like Bebop. It's borderline SNL parody. \n\nFaye has been replaced with Generic Female With Attitude™. Cho looks like he's in cosplay at best. It's giving me GitS live action vibes.I really hope I'm wrong.", "I think I’ll just rewatch the original, thanks!", "Yeah no. This looks like a BAD fan attempt at a real life anime. \n\n\n(Though credit to the editing.)", "Sonic was actually good tho", "I didn't mean \"Americans didn’t even really start watching anime until the ‘90s.\" in the absolute, that would be absurd. I was just stating that the popularity of Japan-made animated shows took off in a big way in the '90s.", "im bleeding internally", "MY DICK IS FALLING OFF!!!!", "Oh God...\n\nI'm just gonna watch the original series on repeat until I burn all knowledge of the remake from my mind.", "Some people seem to like the Scooby Doo films, but I feel that’s like… 70% Linda Cardelinni’s doing.", "All the action. None of the heart.\n\nBut, hey, maybe I'm wrong and it will be great.", "Hmmm", "Teaser confirmed. Donot expect much from live action.", "And this trailer is one tone, campy.", "2 million, thats my quote, so the next time I take a role it doesn’t matter how bad I do I still get paid another 2 mil.", "Do you think death note brought people into the anime?\n\nIm betting is scared more people away.", "No one needed this.", "How it feels to chew 5 gum", "where’s Edward? I’m gonna watch the hell out of this", "Chihayafuru live action is quite good!", "I loved Bleach and the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney one.", "It looks like cosplay.", "Well now I absolutely need to check them out. I've also been putting them off because I was worried they weren't going to be that good.", "Seriously. Haters gonna hate, I guess.", "If this is representative of the content of the show... I think I'll just watch the anime series again, thanks.", "This succeeds in making me want to re-watch the original anime more than anything else.", "You didnt enjoy the fights that seemed like the actors learned the hour before shooting?\n\nWhy would you adapt an anime known for stylish fights and here people that have no martial arts experience? Or maybe they do and whatever this is supposed to be isnt their fault", "That was the point where any pretense that they'd actually watched the show went out the window.\n\nI mean, along with the fifty year old Spike.", "Yeah, John Cho doesn't seem to be the right actor for this role. Lacks the charisma and ennui of Spike in this trailer. \n\nBut nothing felt quite right in this trailer, including the portrayals of Jet and Faye.\n\nHope I'm wrong, though!", "If they screwed up the music there would be mayhem. This passes but I will be watching with raised brow", "Yeah, same, I was loving every moment in this trailer, then looked at the comments…\nI love the 90’s aesthetic (when the anime came out no less). It’s campy, and there are some seriously hilarious scenes in the anime, this just works for me, I love it!", "I likely showed up far too late to the party here, but I feel like I'm watching unusually good cosplay, and that's not a good thing at all.\n\nIf this is the tone that the actual show is going for then it seems like an attempt to capture a 'cartoony' atmosphere. But Cowboy Bebop's story was never 'cartoon,' the fact that it was animated was just the means by which the story was conveyed. The characters and beats that were on display was very much so an adult, melancholy experience overall. Yes there was quite a bit of wonderful humor, physical gags and great anime over the top action, but at its very core it was much more concerned with emotions like regret and feelings of inevitability. I mean, spoiler warning, but the whole thing is a tragedy from start to finish that was effective because you came to really enjoy the characters for all of their fucked up flaws.\n\nIn a way, despite these being flesh and blood people now portraying these characters, the original show somehow feels much more realistic compared to what I'm seeing here.", "and bring back that skin tight faye suit on Kyle, he'd pull it off so well", "Sugoi", "I just spent about 15 minutes looking for this instead of clicking more comments and seeing it already here lmao", "That was my initial reaction as well. I've since rewatched and tempered my worries with \"it's a campy trailer. Maybe, just maybe, they didn't slaughter that poor child.\" This thought may lead to my downfall.", "The worst part of this is the casting. Daniela Pineda is just not talented at all and also doesn’t match the character personality wise. Cho seems like he can act and do the physical part but he just looks so old and stuffed into that costume. Jett, I mean they just hired a big black dude. He doesn’t seem like Jett at all. Jett was kind of an old school detective, this guy is just action figure guy. When they have to bust out the crazy visual effects and editing and old 70s retro filters you know they’re covering up some problems.", "They don’t.", "Speed Racer is fucking awesome, and an absolute visual assault in the best way possible.", "NO :(", "Oof", "i am a lifelong anime fan and i have been screaming for my entire life that i dont want a single god damned live action speck attaching itself needlessly to classic shows. i literally dont know anyone who feels any differently. stories dont need to be told in live action to make themselves more valid, and all it does to a medium like anime is massively, gigantically limit the scope of whats actually possible on screen. its the same problem as with shitty american remakes of amazing foreign films, squared.", "The anime was an anime, the new show will be the new show. It looks great, imma have fun with it.", "No thanks", "Spike moves with the speed of Bruce Lee mixed with the looseness of Jackie Chan in Drunken Master. I guess the challenge is finding an actor who can do that while also having roughly the build of Spike. It would've been a super rare talent to find someone like that no matter what.", "No, Sonic was alright", "God, I hope only the promo is like this.", "that and due to the skin color, i feel some other color changes would have helped. Give him a white beard so it contrasts more (and make him look older at the same time) Jet's beard really stood out being black on a white face, the reverse would make sense too. \n\n\nand maybe the prostetics could also be a lighter tone for the same reason. On a quick glance you can't always notice the metallic parts.", "From the team that brought you Netflix's Death Note, comes the next film that'll have you telling your friends and family \"Sorry, the original series is actually really good I swear, also there's way less gay sex scenes and weirdly topical political messaging.\"\n\nComing soon: Berserk starring Miles Teller.", "Wow that's not what I expected it's a thousand percent worse.", "I don't necessarily disagree. The teaser shows very little and seemed to be specifically made for the purpose instead of actual extracted scenes from the actual series.\n\nStill though, it does give some idea of what we might expect and what little it gives is rather the opposite of reassuring. I don't think it's a quick cash grab but whoever is at the helm doesn't seem to \"get\" Cowboy Bebop, or just decided to try something different that doesn't quite jive.\n\nBut like you said, I'd probably still give it a bit of a watch before deciding if it's a disaster or actually decent.", "They need to have a character that speaks exclusively Japanese so we still can here someone call him “Spy Ku”", "Sick SNL burn bro", "Was Jet not originally black? His name was Jet Black, I always just assumed.", "I was just thinking about rewatching Bebop (as well as Samurai Champloo). This was the sign I needed.", "I saw in an interview that John Cho thought he’d be too old to play the part. I wish he would have listened to himself. Great actor, but he does look too old to be Spike.", "Gintama and Ruroni Kenshin were good live action adaptations imo.", "In all seriousness, since the original is coming to Netflix, you give me a decent 7 out of 10 series that makes fans want to watch the original for the first time,I'm content", "This feels like I'm watching an SNL skit.", "Yeah they can update her outfit to be less 90s and keep her femme fatale edge. And don't give me the 'it's 2021' bullshit. Just look at the Bond girls in No Time To Die.", "No need to worry. they probably won't. but still might be a fun shoe.", "I was at a complete loss, but yeah, that was very well done.", "You know those jokes about manga, anime and Netflix adoption. This is that", "Looks awful. They should have at least tried.", "Edge of Tomorrow?", "So friggin stiff. You can tell when the stunt double takes over. When you see John Cho, his shoulders are hunched up and he looks like he is holding in a shit. Then, the camera angle changes, he is doing acrobatics. Camera switches back to face, tense shit coming any minute now....", "This is the winning comment. I’m like “Wow that looks visually neat,” but “Oh boy, what a lifeless rendering of the franchise’s style.”", "Yeah this is sad", "As a Cowboy Bebop and ATLA fan... Welcome to the club.", ". . . Back", "“Faye is like a really strong woman and stuff, she fights and is like fiercely loyal but also like super independent and she’s a really good fighter… yeah I’ve never seen the anime but I feel like I know her.”", "i remember this movie as not being too bad [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXkyJxyJT3E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXkyJxyJT3E)", "You mean he.. 😏", "Acting is wooden and the whole thing feels like a Youtube parody, not an actual show. I don't see why this show needed to happen; money should have been spent on a remaster or new anime show in the same universe.", "oh oh no", "They should have just given it the Altered Carbon treatment. That would have been way more on point for me than this.", "I'm not judging the actors/actress from what we've seen. A bad performance can be anything between the script, the acting coach, the actor/actress, or the actual director, or a combination/all of the above. From what we've seen I think there's definitely a mix of these factors here - as much as the acting seems stiff, it's in line with the campiness of the scenes and feels as though that's what they're going for. The issue is just that this teaser so far seem to get the tone of Cowboy Bebop all wrong - it was rarely about the actual bounty or the quirkiness of the main crew, but the story and characters that unfolds during an episode. \n\nBut of course, this being just a teaser it's impossible and impractical to demonstrate that especially if you want to grab people's attention. The action sequences, like you said though, was pretty rough. Another guy was saying Cho was not like water and I agree. Very stiff and choppy action doesn't make for a Cowboy Bebop fight.", "I really want to like this but the actress is a total miscast. It has nothing to do with her attire either (which isn't bad at all), Faye just wasn't this kinda snarky self-insert for purple-haired internet activists with a permanent resting b face. This is a tonally deaf portrayal, no matter how you spin it.\n\nThe black dude is great tho and Spike is way better than I had anticipated, aside from the fact that he looks like a 50 yrs old cosplaying.", "Thank you, kind internet person. I needed that.", "I thought the live action version of Erased is much better than the anime. The anime felt rushed and didn’t get to flesh out characters well enough. The live action did a good job of expanding on the story and characters and made it an overall better experience for me.", "This particular tangent wasn't about the adaptation, it was just about whether or not it's fair to describe Faye as a bad-ass.", "Because it’s impossible to make a good live action anime remake. There’s like 2 in existence", "I'm curious how true that is for a Netflix Original though, since they aren't necessarily getting ticket purchases. Their original content is meant to keep subscribers in theory, and they tend to cancel shows that flop. So I'm not sure how well these adaptations really pay off.", "I liked this trailer. This might end up being a good show. It will not be a 1:1 translation of the original, but as long as I can have fun with it I'm fine.\n\nI will leave final judgment to after I watch the whole thing.", "Thanks I hate it", "I really wanted to like this, but they really drove the comedy way too hard. IMO comedy is perfectly fine, but it should come naturally, not at every scene right up in your face.\n\nAlso those 3 are motherfucking professional bounty hunters that has worked for years. They wouldn't make a stupid mistake like accidentally shooting the target in the face.", "Yes yes YES completely fucking agree, was totally dismissed, I had zero expectations going in and I loved that movie, I still watch it sometimes, it’s legitimately good.\n\nAlso while not an anime adaptation necessarily I think Scott Pilgrim sorta fits the bill as well, great adaptation of manga-Esque material", "I would’ve preferred it if they just showed clips from the show.", "I'm so terribly sad this looks like hot garbage", "Yeah Faye actually seeming to care about the bounty is strange to me. She usually would rather pawn the work off on others lol", "i liked detective pikachu", "this is so bad and awkward it gave me cancer. some of the editing is cool, but the production value looks low besides it, and the acting is ekk.", "He was like 14 when he started writing them", "That ending really was a twist. Chi Chan deserves that lol.", "This concerns me", "He was always smooth even in fights", "Yeah, I'm not saying he's a bad person, I'm just saying a book written by a 14 year old doesn't sound fun to me lol", "I knew which video you were talking about before I clicked it lol", "Cowboy Bebop can be pretty silly at times and rather not serious. This basically just 100% that and none of the balance the actual series brings. If the show is just like this it will flop, but I'm still hopeful.", "This looks promising. >!Can’t wait to see Spike and Julia dies in live action 🤣😭😰!<", ">bots\n\nYou’re an idiot.", "It's so good too. Hard to find in the states, but when we do find it, we buy like $40, worth.", "fay just looks/sounds really stupid. she seems like a super ANNOYING talkative comedy sidekick, which she isn't at all in the anime. they're supposed to be all 'leads' in their own story arcs, and happen to be working together during the anime series. none of them are supposed to be 'sidekicks', annoying, or comedy relief. and in this trailer fay says like 'hey its the bad guys'. wtf they are bounty hunters and they know lines are blurred and they too can be considered bad guys. \n\ntldr: tone deaf casting, directors, and writers", "Funny thing is over a decade ago when I first watched Cowboy Bebop, I got very low quality localized version of Cowboy Bebop (thanks Limewire) and in that version Jet Black's name was actually sub titled as Jack Black (Vicious' was Beshous).", "Isn’t that kind of a bad thing though in a way? Like yeah it makes for a cool trailer, but then the cool trailer isn’t representative of the actual finished product at all. I think it’s a dangerous thing to normalize, but I’ve been trying to lay off trailers in general anyway these days due to the entire plot being given away.", "Where do I sign up for the weed and handies?", "I adored the anime when it first came out.\n\nI yearned for talked about, but never completed full-length movie.\n\nThis sounds (and reads) like it should be a decent adaptation.\n\nBut, for some reason, I just can't get into it. It seems too over-the-top in an almost \"Hey! Look at us being anime-edgy and satirical!\" sort of way...Like they are trying too hard to make us like them, which makes us not like them.\n\nI'll pass.", "Where's Spikes heterochromia? Leaving that out means they will never be able have him say his most character defining line (what he tells Faye before he finally leaves to face Vicious).", "Damn this looks bad.", "I'd like this as the tone for the whole movie ngl", "Man y’all are way too harsh. This was a really cool way to do a teaser imo and shows that they are putting effort into having the show be visually and stylistically interesting. The editing is really fucking cool in this. I 100% guarantee if this exact video was played for you and I said “this was made by Edgar wright” you’d all be sucking this videos dick saying it was incredible. \n\nGo look at some of the other bland ass soap opera looking anime adaptions like Mob Psycho and then come back and watch this. \n\nI feel like this will be a fresh and interesting take on the concept of cowboy bebop and isn’t that better than a cheap half assed version of the anime or an exact replica scene for scene", "I can't wait to re-watch the cartoon now, you convinced me. I've only seen the series once through several years ago.", "Yeah I get that. Started reading them when I was about that age, maybe a little older, so I enjoyed them. I really enjoyed how he handled magic battles.", "Best friend is like this. Will watch the shit out of every cheesy live action DC show like Flash, Gotham, and Green Arrow; but trying to get him to watch anything animated outside Avatar: The last Airbender is impossible. So much more can be done with good animation imo.", "All I needed was \"Tank!\" And I got it.. I'm in", "Pretty good ending, didn't turn Light into idiot and give L a proper send off. Feel that the characters were more respected", "You are right. I watched that early. She hit one guy", "More cartoon than the actual cartoon.", "Jet is \"Pale\"\n\nnow he is black", "Oof. None of the characters seem true to the source via this teaser. \n\nNot a single grin or smile out of Spike. He seemed way too stiff and Jet seemed way too hot-headed. \n\nAnd while I understand the changes to Faye's appearance to avoid over sexualizing the portrayal. They also misplaced the feel of her personality at the same time.\n\nHopefully it's all just the \"action packed\" nature of the trailer and the show itself is more true to Bebop.", "I can't imagine that they think this kind of tone will work with the fans of the show", "This does not give me the happy fuzzy feelings...", "It’ll be fine. You’ll enjoy it. You don’t even hate it yet, and for the internet, that’s saying something!", "It wasn't good either. The effects were cool, but the story was just sort of meandering nothing, and even the best effects were all in the trailer.", "Okay phew, I never finished cowboy bebop but I remember it being really desolate, lonely, melancholic, generally somber. It wasn't a very loud show after like the first episode. Very The Great Pretender vibes", "I agree! I think they were scared she would come off as a trope if they over sexualized her but in doing so her character feels empty and generic.", "It's a differentiation strategy by Netflix as the market for streaming services gets more competitive. Netflix already has strong partnerships with many entities from the eastern broadcasting industries, and anime has become very popular across the world. Asian audiences go crazy for these adaptations, specifically South Korea and Japan, even when they are considered bad by western audiences. Death Note, AoT, even Bleach, all performed extremely well in several large eastern markets. \n\nNetflix has somewhat \"tapped out\" the American consumer. They've moved to increasing prices to generate annual revenue growth because their yearly new subscription rate has declined because everyone already has Netflix. They've hit the point where the market is too competitive and full of substitutes to keep raising prices, and they aren't a cost leader by any means. So pretty much the only option left is go to other markets. They tested this with the Latin and European markets and learned it was a viable strategy. So they are producing original programming that is geared towards capturing a more global audience, specifically South Korea, Japan, and India. If it can still be relevant or become relevant in western audiences like 🦑🦑 Game, Narcos, Dark, etc., even better for them.", "I loved every rurouni kenshin live action, definitely recommend watching them if you haven’t!", "Honestly, this was clearly written as a standalone trailer. The acting is fine and I actually like the casting and aesthetic, but the writing/directing was a bit too campy to me. That said, this gives me hope in the case of a properly written full-length episode (which I'm hopeful will be decent given that Watanabe is on as a consultant). As long as they tone down the quips and campiness, I'm legit interested in seeing how this goes.", "I could see it as a repeating gag whenever they jump cut to a new location", "She is a good spacefighter, and super sneaky, and crafty, but her beating up guys 1v1 seems silly. She is a gambler, not a fighter", "Didn't they have an ep where leftover Mexican food goes rogue, develops sentience and tries to take over the ship? After an ep where a girl dies because she's involved with the wrong guy?", "i've heard that, but i never attached a religion to the guy. Neither particularly an ethnicity either. Isn't he from Mars? Jet being of African decent makes sense, Faye i believe is from Singapore though so her casting i think is off. I guess they made Jet played by an asian guy to fend of fan backlash they had on other series/avoid white washing. \nAt one point i believe keanu reaves was supposed to play him. \nEither way, either the actors or director fucked up here because that acting was so stiff i could do some ironing on it.", "This teaser has actually pushed me to watch the original. The music is awesome and I’ve heard such good things I figure I should watch it before this comes out.", "so much bad acting it hurts", "They had some really nice animation, especially for action scenes. But they also did pans over still images and scenes where nothing moved but the mouths. They did have higher quality than a lot of anime at the time for sure though.", "Damn, these comments are a sink. Lol. As someone who never watched the anime, this looks fun!", "A young Han from Fast Furious would have been a perfect spike.", "What does this has to do with Cowboy Bebop?", "As a guy who's never watched Cowboy Bepop, I'm watching this first.", "Its a trailer which is intended to introduce us to the characters and group dynamic. They aren’t really recognizable to what we know them as", "I wanted Ed to hack the trailer at the end. Would have been a great intro of the character.\n\nAlso, where tf was Ein?!", "Wow I hate this, I feel zero appeal and it kinda bums me out because I’ve enjoyed that anime a lot!", "that's called a casting error", "What is it with people trying to live-action anime and cartoons? \nJust leave it as is. \nAvatar doesn’t need live action, Cowboy Bebop really didn’t need it.", "I don’t know how to feel about this… hope it lives up, space cowboy.", "Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He was pretty aggressive there, just like in the live action.", "Why are people downvoting you for expressing the tiniest bit of optimism? People on here are fucking wild. Why is everyone so goddamn toxic about this show?", "Seriously, people are getting downvoted for daring to say the show might be good. Reddit is fucking toxic as hell.", "Nah, its funny to laugh at all the cringy crybabies like yourself.", "I think they mean the first Suicide Squad movie, which tried to copy Guardians of the Galaxy and failed horribly", "Jet is too young (would be a great cast aged 5-10 years), Spike is too old (by about 25 years but I love John Cho!), Faye doesn't look or act like Faye but she's cute. The sets looked cheap, the acting (maybe the sound) isn't great. I'll give it a go, worst case it's MST3K. Why must Netflix make live action anime? No one wants live action anime.", "It's not a show, but The Grinch with Jim Carry was pretty great", "studios are literally allergic to writing women as human beings", "No ein? Reason enough to hate this clip \\s", "The problem with Death Note is that netflix played it too safe. The more they pander to the far left the worse their content will be. Having Black, Asian, and LGBT as genres is separatist and derogatory af. They need to just let art be art, ignore the word vomit, and try to strike gold. If we left it up to the masses we wouldn't have GoT, Breaking Bad, Always Sunny, South Park, Better Call Saul etc.", "this comment right here...thank you, I thought I was crazy sifting through the see of neckbeards going hurr durr, doesn't match the tone.\n\nI enjoyed the teaser. It was a little cheese at first blush, but yea, I'm actually amped, the original cowboy bebop had it's campy moments between story arc growth.\n\nI think cho did perfectly fine, and can't wait to see what this series adds.", "Eh this feels more like a live action anime than it should.\n\nThey should have adapted the world and vibe to live action that try to replicate the feel of an anime in live action.\n\nI hope I'm wrong though", "yeah i mean first of all im glad they cast an asian actor. at the same time when i think of charismatic asian actors who are also skilled martial artists.. john cho is not on that list.", "I always interpreted him as half Black half East Asian", "Yeah cowboy bebop is campy well blended with pure fucking style. This is all of the camp but none of the style.", "Bezos is apparently a diehard Expanse fan and will fire anyone who tries to cancel it.", "I just tried watching it for the first time and couldn't get through 10 minutes. Felt way too forced but that's probably me", "The Disney effect. I'm so fucking sick of it.", "I want to kill myself now.", "How the fuck they were able to get away with this is beyond me. \n\nThank god Sony still holds some IPs but even they're becoming very Disneyesque", "Yep. Fact is, they're adapting an anime, and we all know what the anime fandom is like. The hate was inevitable, and it's going to get worse whether or not the adaptation is good.", "An excellent rebuttal! /s", "Right?? I actually love everything about this! That trailer was more than I ever expected from a Netflix live action remake of an amine, in particular this one since it's so beloved!", "Why are there multiple Brian Wilson comments? What is this about", "I think I need to go back to the originals and rewatch. The trailer just seemed... Different", "Spike dies.", "\\> Didn't they have an ep where leftover Mexican food goes rogue, develops sentience and tries to take over the ship\n\nToys in the attic (I think it was lobster leftovers) it was a loving sendup of the movie alien.", "That's all the trailer really needed. When will marketing idiots understand that if you have a strong IP with a big fanbase, teasing them and mystery is ALL you need.\n\nThe ultimate mic drops are moments like these. Anyone have any good examples of trailers that do this?", "I have negative expectations", "Nothing in this trailer implies at all anything you’re saying. You’re just pulling this out of your ass because you have no personality outside of telling people on the internet about tv shows you hate. Insufferable dweeb.", "Not even all the DC animated stuff? Bizarre, that shit is closer to the comics than some CW show.", "This is awful.", "I don't think VFX will ever get to the point where they make animation irrelevant, although it's certainly getting edged out at the moment. Like you say, the medium of animation is its own thing, the stories told there have the potential to be utterly unique from anything that could be expressed with live action. Probably won't be giving this adaptation even a pity watch, just gonna pretend it doesn't exist and move on. Good motivation to rewatch the original series again though.", "This looks horrible holy shit!", "I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with hating new things. Don’t trip over each other in your rush to be the first one to say how much you hate it!\n\nMight get Netflix to give this a chance just to spite all of you.", "It's true of all companies that bigger they get the more inefficient they become. I can totally see some executive claiming this is the great stuff everyone is waiting for. Perhaps they have money to burn and are throwing everything against the wall hoping something sticks.", "So you’re saying there are no moments in episodes of the anime that are fun or lighthearted?\n\nIs there really one finite tone for the show? If this had been deathly serious in time all the comments would be “they missed that the show isn’t always serious and is also sometimes fun and lighthearted!!” You can never win", "I thought this was pretty dope though", "I don't hate it, the folks that hate it.... I'm not quite sure what they expected.\n\nthe whole anime is a fucking cringe fest that took itself too seriously, and even was cancelled prematurely (from my recollection).\n\nThis is a whole new take on a similar/same storyline that I can't wait to see unfold. screw the haters", "This looks bad.", "No Ed? Ooh la la…", "Someone in the YT comments said \"Cowboy Bebop is not a comedy\" and while like he's technically right, at the same time it's like... what are you talking about dude? There's comedy of all types sprinkled throughout. And Toys in the Attic would like a word.\n\nI think you summed it up nicely by saying that whole episodes are totally different from each other.", "...Seriously?", "Yep, I had no idea how much I don’t want this until I saw this trailer.", "I thought I was watching an impressive fan-made project… and then I realized the Netflix logo was legit and was disappointed. Faye has been stripped of most of her defining characteristics and was replaced by a stereotypical loudmouth, gun blasting “bad girl” attitude, both she and spike look far to old for the characters they’re cast for, spike has lost his smoothness as a whole and it just feels off. This does not bode well for a good adaptation.", "I dont think it ever had a chance to feel tonally correct. That's just the price you pay when you try to transfer art designed from the ground up as animation into a live action style. Its never gonna feel right.", "Agreed on everything except the casting being great. None of the characters register for me, each one was like, “Ohhh that’s supposed to be ____”", "I'll never understand folks wanting these things to be EXACTLY like the original.", "so they should've cast Orange Cassidy", "The netflix version of Death Note was really good. Obviously not the same as the anime but they took the concept and worked it well.", "You can watch basically any scene of the original show in isolation and get a really good idea of what that character is about. That's a big part of what made the show so amazing, the expressiveness of the animation, character designs, and dialogue. Hell you can even watch the opening credits and get a good idea of what the characters are about.\n\nBased on this trailer, these characters do not feel true to the original. Obviously I could be wrong, but I would be surprised.", "I'd suggest watching the 5th movie before the 4th. As a huge fan, the plotline in the 4th movie has more weight if you watch the 5th first.", "The Kenshin movies are pretty great.", "Wish it was someone more along the lines of Dave Bautista, close to middle age, physically intimidating/reserved. Need that retired cop who's seen to much shit and now hes just in it for himself vibe.\n\nCho looks pretty close to Spike but in this trailer he seems so stiff.\n\nFaye seemed over the top, a bit corny.", "“The tonality of your comment is wrong, see you later cowboy never”… or “the tonal of this comment just turns me off”… or “they changed this comment tonally. Who would ever think this was a good idea”… see what I’m getting at?", "Spike is HORRIBLY miscast and I really like John Cho.", "Y'all are crazy, this looks fun af. What did you want? A shot-for-shot remake of the anime? I'm so down for a Scott Pilgrim-y space western.", "At this rate I'd bet more than half of Ed's lines are just screams.", "Welp. There it is :/", "Parasyte, ruroni kenshin, crows zero, Alice in borderland, and homunculus. Some were manga adaptations", "Cho is toooooo old", "No, it's due to it being a bad movie.", "So, whose vocal cords were sacrificed in the making of this show?", "I swear if this is another live action death note I will destroy the credit card that pays my Netflix subscription.", "Sigh…", "This looks terrible", "I genuinely think the live action Death Note (Japanese one, not the god awful Netflix) was a great movie. But someone intensly writing down names is a bit easier to pull off I guess.", "It should’ve been Keanu reeves when they were talking about making a movie 10-15 years ago. He wanted the part and he’s a fan of the show. If they were going to pick an old actor they should’ve just hired reeves anyways. I’ll always be disappointed that the movie was never made.", "Brad Pitt fighting in One upon a time in Hollywood is the closest I can think of even though the fighting style is wrong. Especially the ending.", "Loved that trailer.", "How was that movie so hated? I LOVED IT.", "Pass. Ending already ended the series for me.", "Where’s the dog?", "Fan of John cho but idk bout him in this role. Lol but aye maybe it’ll be suprising", "Like this is a commercial for Cowboy Bebop that Ed is watching in the Bebop. Love it.", "Can't watch, this is gonna be live action Dragonball levels of garbaged", "I gotchu. From top to bottom thats your watch order.\n\nRurouni Kenshin Part I: Origins\n2012\nRurouni Kenshin Part I: Kyoto Inferno\n2014\nRurouni Kenshin Part Ill: The Legend Ends\n2014\nRurouni Kenshin: The Beginning\n2021\nRurouni Kenshin: The Final\n2021", "Even the new Tick was pretty dang good.\n\nBut yes, Paddy Warbucks is The Tick and I will not hear otherwise.", "That's honestly better than anything in the SuperBowl ads in at least 10 years.", "cant wait!", "I couldn't watch more than 10 seconds. I'll pass.", "His name is Dangerboat and he has FEELINGS.", "Wow this looks absolutely fucking awful. Also spike looks WAYYYY too old", "Some of the best choreography I’ve seen in a long time. Seriously top tier stuff.", "God I love that commercial it makes me laugh every fucking time such a story arch too", "I loved the movie, Vicious felt important and their fights were awesome! I need to rewatch this movie.", "[https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/netflix-cowboy-bebop-first-look-images-spike-spiegel-faye-valentine-jet-black-ein.jpg](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/netflix-cowboy-bebop-first-look-images-spike-spiegel-faye-valentine-jet-black-ein.jpg)\n\nShamelessly copy-pasta'd from earlier in the thread..", "I have never once in my life been disappointed to see Patrick Warburton on screen.\n\nHe's a talented person and I bet he has a really good agent.", "oh god…", "I think it's time we skip this show\n\nGet everybody and the stuff together\n\nOK, three, two, one\n\nI'll pass!", "Fae isn’t hot enough. Strictly based on source material vs her actress. Actress isn’t bad looking but not near attractive to play Fae. Could be costume designer needs fired?", "Terrible. They should have just done another animated movie", "Hot, thanks. Too bad only The Beginning and The Final are on Netflix US", "I got to see it twice in theaters on an Imax screen. The first time on opening night and the second time with friends taking mushrooms. It was wild on shrooms lol", "Fight choreography is meh, but honestly casting and th3 overall appeal will make it worth the watch.", "The original series is on Netflix Oct 21st. Plenty of time to get through that (and the movie) before this comes out.", "This doesn't look good. Damn", "Glad I'm not the only one that felt this way!", "Hey! They used ‘what planet is this?’ From the movie soundtrack", "I've heard good things about the Assassination Classroom live action.", "It’s been on 😎", "Easily my top 5 manga/anime, and it's every single bit as good as the anime/manga imo. Worthy adaption.", "I dont mean any of that to imply they are bad actors. I think acting wise they mostly fit the tone of the trailer. Which honestly I couldn't pay much attention to because of how bad the action was. 100% the fault of someone above the actors.\n\nEven if the actors have martial arts background it wouldn't be their fault but I can't imagine they do. Why would you tell trained physical actors to move like it's there first time doing a chop? \n\nAnd good lord with the apparent style they are going for you could film my dog and make it look relatively decent. Whatever they call the \"camera rotates and it kind of looks slowed down or fast\" can make anyone look cool. Not even knocking the editing and swooping cameras. Done correctly I could see a live-action Bebop fight looking pretty damn nice. There is no feeling of impact whenever anyone gets hit and its completely missing a replacement for the visuals or sound anime uses to give the viewer a sense of motion. \n\nI'm just so so confused. I can understand a shift in tone to fit the medium and I could even understand if they made it mostly story with one or two fights. I can't understand how they butchered the fights this bad. There are YouTubers making better live action interpretations of anime then this. You may not be able to directly copy the sound or the speed lines or flashing colors that can really make a scene hit but there are things you can do to give actions more weight than this.", "Shits trash son", "Is this the one where the actress demanded a wardrobe redesign because her original outfit kept getting lost inside her gaping genital holes?", "Apparently Netflix wanted cast Einstein as another breed of dog other than a corgie. This all makes sense now.", "This felt like an 80s ad, which might have been the point. I’m curious if the framing device is part of the series or just for the promo. The choreography and editing was great.", "Lol short version is why would you take everything that makes it work out of impacts and movement. A production like bebop could make the viewer FEEL the action. Not just the fighting but any kind of quick movement and especially a sudden change in direction.", "the actress put out a video a little while back on her twitter where she talked about it.\n\nBasically they tried an anime accurate outfit initially, but it was pretty much impossible to work with", "On one hand, it looks REALLY good.\n\nOn the other hand, it looks a lot like the Iron Fist and the script was what took that show down.", "This looks so much worse than I could have ever imagined, I had to turn it off halfway. I’ll just stick to rewatching the anime.", "Wow wheres fayes tits", "jet casting on point but spike and faye casting is hugee miss for me.", "You know those Japanese game show where they encourage the audience to get hurt? That but less funny.", "WTF cowboy bepop remake, and no ed ?", "Needs more Ed", "So a skip then, huh?", "Too many people didn't understand that movie and why it was the way it was.\n\nSad, really. It's in its own league and smashes \"originality\" beyond many other cinematic films.", "That’s just Giannis and he’s currently playing in the NBA.", "I remember that being the thought by most fans online back in the day when the series first started gaining traction on Toonami. Back when Keanu Reeves was rumored to be playing Spike in an adaptation, everyone laughed at the casting. This is way worse.", "Please be good!\n\nOh no…did they make all the characters idiots?", "hey at least no black spike", "Who knew the Buffy the Vampire Slayer influences would eventually make TV and movies so derivative? Ever since The Avengers, it's become the only way to do a big budget production.", "😕", "I’d rather rewatch the anime", "The original show mocks its own premise. A dysfunctional crew of bounty hunters that never actually catch anybody. I feel like all these people commenting on the show have never actually seen it, or just remember how 'serious' the last episode was and disregard the rest of it.", "The same can be said about literally any fictional character and it’s just as stupid of an argument then. Age conveys context to stories and Spike being played by a 50 year old man changes the entire vibe to the character and therefore show.", "Yes, seriously. Given the comparative experience and budgets, the fan film is a better film IMHO.", "And I'll read the complaints while nodding my head and clicking upvote.", "...I hate it.", "Man, I wasn't expecting much and I'm still disappointed. High-school drama club level acting, completely the wrong tone, costumes that look less convincing than most mid-tier cosplay, and both tonally jarring and incongruous with the source material. The transitions are kinda interesting and maybe the poor acting is an artifact of setting up those shots but this is not a promising trailer.", "It felt like the uncanny valley but in reverse. Something is really off but I'm not sure what...", "It's like they adapted the Cowboy Bebop opening and not the actual show.", "Wtf how did I not know about these movies?", "I felt like I was watching a Youtube video from someone like Freddie Wong/RocketJump", "I'm sure you'll still find a way to diminish and downplay others opinions after they do.", "The biggest reason to avoid trying to live-action adapt an anime is the \\mountain\\ of old people who barely remember the original show that'll show up to talk trash without ever actually watching an episode of it.\n\nI'm a little less sold on the casting post-teaser than pre-teaser but I think I'll survive the series. I'm mostly just happy to have Cowboy Bebop back in the conversation after all these years.", "I'm going to go out on a limb here: you haven't seen a lot of movies", "Does it really matter who wanted it?", "This actually looks like trash and the acting is terrible...", "It feels like an homage to the animation in show openining credits. Which I guess they also did that is almost a shot for shot recreation.", "Came here to say this. Definitely a standout among the Avatars, Bleaches, and Deathnotes.", "Epstein's island.", "Alita: Battle Angel is pretty good. Shame we’ll never get a Part 2 since it flopped so hard.", "You're spot on, it sounded exactly like one of those videogame commercials lmao.\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcATue1WLwM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcATue1WLwM)\n\nI imagine the bounty hunters sitting and talking like this after a mission.", "I'm ok with this. As long as the performances have as much nuance as the English dubbed version of the animated series it will be fine. The worst-case scenario is we have a live-action show that doesn't perfectly emulate the original which is all we really care about. This is like the Last of Us remake. It's simply bringing this niche show to a massive audience that won't necessarily have seen the original show. It's a win-win.", "How is everyone describing this differently (gum commercial, car commercial, SNL), but they’re all accurate?", "Now I just need me some Ed!!!", "> They've distilled cowboy bebop into a funny action show\n\nHow do you even know that? The show isn't out yet.", "Alice in Borderland", "I mean... all I can think about is Michael Reeves' timelapse of making a fucked up robot lol", "Well which fucking one of you asked for this because I'm kicking your ass.", "Death Note 1 and 2 were very well received in Japan. The Japanese live action ones, not the trash Netflix put out.", "Will have to see how it plays out but certainly from what I’ve seen from the live action so far he looks stiff and wooden and uses nothing close to the smooth movement spike has which I get it is exaggerated in the anime but it feels to me like they are instead exaggerating the campiness here and not the smoothness of it all and how one thing flows into the next for spike all the time in the anime. \n\nI reserve any real judgement for the real release but so far I remain unimpressed. I am currently wishing they’d have just made a movie in the universe or something rather than trying to do anything at all with the main characters after seeing this.", "It’s a whole new story, we may not see him.", "True dat", "No..", "Not really. Watching SNL is more like going to church rather than entertainment. People watch it to get their opinions/politics validated and reinforced in a snarky tone.", "in hollywood the top producers and directors have said they expect \"anime\" movies to become the new \"comic book/marvel\" movies now that marvel hype is dying down. Whoever figures out how to do it well will make a killing. They are shopping for the next robert downey jr., heath ledger, and russo brothers, first one to find them wins.", "Who's the flat chested woman supposed to be?", "I'm still really hesitant on this. I just recently watched Cowboy Bebop again, and so much of this feels sorta off.\n\nI really reqlly wish they had just made a show with new characters in the same world. Maybe have the Bebop crew as cameos. Would have been more fitting.", "Yeah but if you try to adapt the character to the new medium you piss off a whole other set of fans. Very vocal ones. Very \"Sonic's legs aren't blue\" kind.", "I don't really buy that the costume was that difficult to pull off. I mean, for example - [https://www.reddit.com/r/cosplay/comments/m8pnm1/faye\\_valentine\\_cowboy\\_bebop\\_cosplay\\_self/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cosplay/comments/m8pnm1/faye_valentine_cowboy_bebop_cosplay_self/)\n\nSure, maybe tone it down for live action. It's just odd that what they settled on doesn't really look like Faye or fit her character, IMO. I was mostly talking about the acting and lines when I said vibe anyway, but it all kind of adds up to the character coming off really differently from the original.", "You obviously never watched this late night back in the early 2000s.", "cosplay is one thing.\n\nan outfit you have to do action scenes in is an entirely different problem.", "Shut up zoomer. The dialogue is garbage in this trailer.", "Such a shame they are bastardizing a great anime with this trash. Leave it to the Americans to fuck this up. GG", ">I feel like I'm watching a parody of the show within the show.\n\nIt has the same goofy vibe as the cowboy Bounty Hunter show they watch in the anime, but the concept is too divorced from that to feel like an intentional callout or reference. \n\nCowboy Bebop could be goofy and silly, but it was always grounded with a very real melancholic emotional core to it. To have this be nothing but pure camp is very, very bizarre.\n\nIt’s just a promo, the show could be better, etc etc\nBut let’s be real: this does not bode well.", "Feels... clunky.", "Absolute trash. Leave it to the US to fuck this up. Holy shit what a disaster.", "I dont like it.", "Also wasnt spike a chain smoker? I think the cigarette gives the “relaxed” vibe", "STOP WITH THE REMAKE! STOP WITH THE LIVE ACTION ADAPTATION!", "Admittedly, I've never been a big anime fan. I had a friend years ago who made me watch Cowboy Bebop. I enjoyed it, but the ending really ruined me emotionally.", "Worst acting? \n\nWorse than the Room? https://youtu.be/2JhnigAQmd8\n\nOr Troll 2? https://youtu.be/HyophYBP_w4\n\nCan we stop using hyperbole to describe everything? It was flawed but far from the worst ever acting", "Never watched the anime, but from the few scenes I’ve seen, isn’t Faye a lot calmer/cooler? And Spike a lot more upbeat? \n\nThe dialogue overall seemed pretty cringe anyway…", "…oh no", "Claus", "I feel like I’m watching Scott Pilgrim vs the World but on steroids", "There's a reason why animation can express so much more than humans can ever possibly can in real life, please please don't turn good anime in a live action.. you'll only get disappointment 95% of time..", "The little expectation I had for the show is now completely gone. So weak.", "Uh, no.", "That saxophone hit is choice", "GoT was very inclusive. No idea why that’s on your list.\n\nThere was a lot more wrong with Death Note than inclusivity. It’s just a weird fixation of yours.", "I think he’s referred to as Asian in the manga. He’s also based on a Japanese actor. That being said, I’m pretty sure he was born on Mars and race doesn’t really have anything to do with him as a character. Faye though should probably have been Asian since that was a decent part of her storyline", "Lunkhead sounds bizarre. Dipstick is actually something humans have said before", "Faye isn't an action star, so that wouldn't really be a problem. That is, if the idea was to capture the original character, which does not seem to be the case.", "re-using the orig music wasnt a good idea. makes it seem cheap and unoriginal. hopefully they have some new stuff also", "Ace Attourney live action had a good balance of comedy and \"theatre\". Very faithful adaption.", "he's busy doin Bowser", "The common theme is that they're all a soulless cash-grab of a production.", "This looks awful, John cho looks too old as spike", "Lunkhead is clunky as fuck sounding. It means… screw/nut/bolt head essentially.\n\nDipstick is a stick that gets dunked in piss to test it for alcohol and drugs. I think that’s a little more mature sounding.", "The non-Netflix ones are great, meaning the first three that came out chronologically. The OVA live action remake... just wasn't good. Haven't watched the last one, on Netflix.\n\nOverall, Netflix finds a way to ruin great things, imo.", "There are definitely repeating tones. And none of them seem to be whatever this is.", "So, The Room is a fair point, but why would you bring up Troll 2 as if that's something everyone will have seen or even know of?\n\nIt wasn't hyperbole, the VIPs in Squid Game are genuinely the worst actors I have ever seen in something that I have watched myself, I.E. witnessed. I struggled through every scene they were in, and only because the rest was so damn good.\n\nAnd also.. I said some of the worst acting. Maybe you should read more carefully before you have a kneejerk reaction.", "I was pretty excited for this show until I saw this trailer. Pass.", "RemindMe! 31 days.", "Jet works, the other two I'm finding hard to like, but I still have my hopes for this show!\n\nI feel like Spike should've been a more generic actor . Just weird for me seeing John Cho playing him", "Honestly I feel like we didn’t watch the same show. \n\nOf course it had its fun and goofy moments and episodes, but what always made the show work so well was how it could blend those with the more serious and melancholic aspects of the show throughout. Yes, you had the big particularly serious episodes or stories like the finale or the one Jet’s ex, but the episode with Ed and the Chessmaster comes to mind as a great example of how the show typically balanced those two aspects of itself.\n\nA complete campfest is not remotely representative of the show anymore than an edgy grimdark adaptation would be.", "Whoever cast that guy as Spike should be fucking fired", "This should have stayed lost...", "Exactly! Alice deserves the hype SQ got tbh", "The show lasted 9 episodes. Calling it successful is just false.", "Netflix ruins everything.", "Damn it feels horrible to be right. \n\nWhat’s with the camera? Why are they bumbling idiots? I don’t think anyone at netflix WATCHED the original if they think Faye is the adult in the room. I think they just heard Live Action Cartoon and went with it.", "Incest?", "Looks like complete garbage.", "You’re missing the point. Faye basically fails 90% of the time in the show. It’s a product of an older time back when most female characters like her just did not succeed. She was in constant need of rescue and she always was the reason she was in trouble in the first place.\n\nShe was a failure by design", "Batman", "They did everything in their power to make this animated without animating it", "There's no good way to adapt an anime to live action, and Japan has their fair share of mistakes in this department.\n\nLookin' at Death Note.\n\nMAYBE this could have been a film. With entirely different cast. And director. And a huge budget. And then it'd still be bad.\n\nThat said, given the mood of the trailer, they lost all sense of melancholy and entirely botched the humor aspect (which exists just to balance the sheer depression exuded by the show) so everything they could have done right.. they did wrong. Typical.", "My eyes cannot unwash this. Yes, unwash.", "How do you get that sort of job? It sounds interesting", "Oh hey how was the show? Since you clearly saw more than a 4th wall breaking trailer composed of scenes specifically shot to be a fun trailer.", "You know, if they went with grindhouse style that would be a cool choice.", "I hope they don't carry over the style and tone of this. Please let this be a poorly thought out promo that is out of step with the show.", "Gen z is 24 to 9, I am sorry but the flossing kids are Gen z.", "Yeah I'm gonna wait until after I see the show to watch the anime. I'm sure the anime will be better as a whole, but I also think I'll have fun with this series on its own beforehand.", "It’s even worse than I imagined", "That was my biggest problem with the trailer too. Guy doesn't move like Spike at all. I didn't like it at all. But everyone in the comments was praising it so what do I know.", "uncle roger voice Failure", "I feel weird because I know the live action version wasn't wholly loved but I feel like the original anime incarnation has bad pacing and tonal consistency issues, and if anything the cameron live action version is better in both those regards, and in the places where it isn't it's simply being fairly true to the original. I genuinely enjoy the live action version. the original anime is fun, but mostly as an action/animation spectacle.", "never seen the original, this seems way too add quippy for me", "Exactly how I felt. I preferred the metaphorical chess game between Light and L than what the anime/manga did.", "Wait, what marvel show used cutaway lines as weapons? Did I miss something or are you kinda just pulling that out as a baseless criticism?", "Looks like a Corridor video. In both good and bad way.", "Need more fan service. Where is that cute dog?", "No.", "Uh oh", "It reminded me of Kung-Fu Hustle and if you don't think that movie is a masterpiece then I don't know what to tell you.", "John Cho is so miscast. I think a slightly older spike (mid 30s) would work well, but he's noticeably older than that. His vibe is all off too. I would have liked to see him as Vicious., whose lifestyle could have accounted for a more rough and weathered look (though don't get me wrong, Cho is still a beautiful man who could get it six ways to Sunday).", "A trailer’s sole purpose is literally to sell you on the product and by reading through this thread you will see that it’s not going well.", "Noir. Its missing noir.", "I'm still not sure if this translates well to live action, but it looks cool. Definitely gonna give it a shot.", "Issue is the show was pretty well loved for melding the goofy fun with pretty serious, grounded and melancholic storylines.\n\nLeaning into outright camp just obliterates your ability to do that.", "For some reason it felt like improv.", "This is actually hype af", "I agree. But this made me realize I haven’t seen cowboy bebop in a long time… this has stoked a desire for me to go back and rewatch the originals. Has to be 15 years or more since I saw them.", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "https://t.me/joinchat/2U2A1nh0kJxiNzFi", "My expectations are low and I'll probably still be disappointed.", "David Hasselhoff’s cameo in the 2004 Spongebob movie.", "It is fucking atrocious. Completely unnecessary", "I love Cowboy Bebop, I also never wanted a live action, and because it’s not something I really wanted, I am pleasantly surprised at how fun this adaptation looks. Looking forward to it. I have no expectations. It’s just some people trying to do their own spin on it and make something entertaining. It’s not like we are losing the anime or something.", "Damn. I really wanted to get behind this, but it feels so, so, sooooo off. RIP", "I’m not a fan of the show but definitely always thought the guy was supposed to be jewish", "I did not like that movie despite the defenders", "Spike’s youth is also part of his tragedy. He has his whole life ahead of him, or would, if he could let his past go and leave well enough alone.", "The only thing I can think of is that they are popular in Japan... That's the only reason they'd keep making them.", "DAE never like anything and has to write fifteen paragraph essays about why this particular piece of media isn't perfect and they should have just let me make it?", "Oh, so you don't plan to watch it?", "I couldn't have said it better lol", "Que reverendo mierdero", "Got dam that's a perfect summary of the fights. From the actual action, to the philosophy, to the idea's representation.", "Have you seen Bruce Lee fight JKD? It's definitely not drunken style like you're describing, and Spike does have some flashy moves in the anime.", "If it had been bad it wouldn't have been a trilogy.", "This is just how it is nowadays. The old gaurd fans spend forever dominating online discussion about how personally insulted they are and how oh no \"their\" beloved whatever has been sullied by this new offering. Meanwhile an equal portion of the excisting fanbase thinks its good but gets angry reprisal anytime they try and mention it online. Soon just to keep any civil discourse about the show possible moderators will have to remove vitriolic fans and they will claim their free speech has been trampled. etc etc etc. \n\n\nI mean I'm not totally sold on it either, but look at the fucking armchair TED talk replies in this post from people deconstructing the anime and going point by point about how the new show missed this and that. Like it's not even wrong, it's just SAD. Get over yourselves.", "Examples of it being done well?", "Jett's casting feels good, but Spike is too old and not \"suave\" enough. And did they combine Faye and Ed into one character?? I love the editing but it doesn't feel like Cowboy Bebop. Honestly, I feel like the iconic music is the only thing holding it together.", "I think the Japanese have a better grasp for doing this work. Americans seem to fuck it up regularly.", "He literally does a front flip axe kick. Thats flashy as fuck", "Ah-stoot", "Deserved to get dropped", "Yeah it's really killed a lot of movies for me lately. It's so obvious in both the movie and the acting when there is little practical set involved.", "Omg there’s more?!", "How have I been a 20 year fan of CB and never realized what Ein is short for until this very moment?!", ">I've got a ~~kid~~ friend who is into ~~anime~~ documentaries. From the bits and pieces I have seen, it's ~~pretty out there~~ all about Africa. \n \nAnime is a medium for a LOT of different stories.", "I tend to agree. Anime humor ends up coming off as outright camp in live action, and the problem Bebop faces is that it’s particularly loved for its poignant and melancholic stories/tone. In the anime, they can easily blend that with the silliness of a Most Wanted show styled in Spaghetti Western kitsch, or….whatever the fuck is going on with Ed. But take the same jokes and tone and bring it to live action, you get complete tonal whiplash.\n\nAn adaptation needed to find its own way of blending the humor and weirdness of the show into the more grounded aspects of it, without descending into outright camp. Which yeah, may entail some changes to the original material. It seems like it’s failed to do that and has just decided to lean straight into the camp.", "People's opinions based on a trailer don't need policing.\n\nJudging a movie by the trailer is kind of why trailers exist. They put forward what they think will grab their audience the most. So if a trailer doesn't interest me, there's a good sign the people in charge of the film didn't make something that would. E.g. my guess is since they don't seem to value Spike's personality in the trailer, they probably don't in the show.\n\nI'll wait for the reviews, but when I don't like the trailer I dislike the movie or show about 90% of the time. I know it's a speculative opinion -- don't worry, it doesn't matter that much.", "I always visualized it as a car dipstick lol", "I am trying to convince people that criticizing this trailer for cringy PG insults is strange given the amount of cringy PG insults in the original show.\n\nI think the fact that it's animated is only one factor. I think nostalgia is another factor and that many of us saw Cowboy Bebop when we were much younger and much more impressionable and we forget just how goofy it was sometimes. \n\nIt's disheartening how eager people seem to want to hate this adaptation.", "A lot of the cartoon was pretty camp.", "Rad", "Right xD\n\nThe ending was definitely not expected. Long long man is such a player. But... somehow.... I think we all knew that part. We just didn't know how much of a player.", "I've never been so excited for something that looks so bad.", "Exactly. It is not intended to completely portray a character with the power of entire episodes.\n\nI could watch the trailer without sound or without video and still recognize which character is which.", "Willem Dafoe gives 0 fucks. He will chew up and spit out any role he's in, no matter how ridiculous. Love that guy", "The movie, The Santa Clause. Starting Tim Allen.", "let's be honest, Long Long Man was running the Long Long Con the entire time.", "Oof this is gonna be terrible and it breaks my heart. It feels like a parody somehow and all 3 actors are horribly miscast.", "Agreed - at least we’ll be able to get a laugh out of the “my childhood is being ruined” crowd in the meantime ;)", "Yeah It's not Guunm without Dr Desty Nova!\n\nI really wish we get a sequel so we can see his shenanigans on screen", "So your argument is that if this came out before the anime it would somehow be seen as a masterpiece? Nah.", "The fight scenes didn't really feel quite like cowboy bebop to me. Kind of reminded me of the remakes some talented cgi dudes do on youtube. I'll definitely watch this though I fucking love cowboy bebop.", "It’a a very bandaid-type of fix, but if John Cho simply smirked more, I feel like I would’ve been more reassured at the casting. I’m not as worried at the age appearance as much as other people, but I’m definitely set up for disappointment that Cho may have misread the character and is going for a legit badass cowboy western trope that’s super serious.\n\nAnd I also wonder how much I can bitch at this since this is a live action adaptation at an anime, where they’re truly different art mediums. Which is fair to consider as well.", "Whitecastle has gotten a lot more violent then I remember!", "Fuck…this made me lose some serious hope for this series.", "Because Beau Billingslea is 77\n\nSpike already looks 50 in this, lets not make this Cowbey Bebop: The Retirement Era", "Looks like there might me some kind of inverse ratio between the quality of the anime and that of its adaptation. I really hope CB bucks this trend, but only time will tell!", "Campy or sounds like it was written by Middle School kids", "If so it's a really bad call by everyone in charge, and that in and of itself is worrying. \n\nAdvertising with a totally different tone is going to turn people off who might have been interested while attracting a different audience that will be disappointed when they get a totally different show.", "The original is all so stylized. I think it’s good this is differentiating itself from the original and pitching itself more as an homage than a live re-enactment because honestly that never works at all.", "I have no idea how you got that out of my comment.", "I up voted it even though it looks awful. I want everyone to see how bad it is.", "I felt the same way! Especially some of the camera z-axis moves, they had that kind of superflat feel to them. And although I freakin’ looooove the Speed Racer movie, it just feels like it isn’t the right tone for CB.", "Dude. Awesome.", "why do I have a feeling like they'll make this an interactive film thing again", "I will never understand the appeal of live action adaptations of beautifully animated 2D shows / movies or even comics.", "Yes this is what I was feeling. There we go", "“We’ve got Firefly at home”\nFirefly at home:", "Impressive production value but I'm not feeling the Spike character...at all.", "I think that might be Faye's dad.", "I like the movie in a guilty pleasure sort of way, but it wasn't remotely faithful to the manga. Neither the specific narrative beats nor the overall themes.", "Is Ed in this?", "Jet looks good, but he's not nearly old enough and doesn't sound right", "Not only did I get to see it in a theater, I was also on 2CB for the very first time. That shit didn’t just pop, it freakin’ EXPLODED. One of the best cinematic experiences of my life, right up there with seeing Fellowship of the Ring on its original theatrical run on mushrooms.", "Me 3! Well, more like 2(CB)", "Saying he didn't care at all is an exaggeration, but their relationship is meant to come across as being pretty one-sided. It's not just that he cared about Zalem more.", "I wish more teaser trailers works do things like this. It's enough to give you an idea of what to expect, but obviously not taken directly from scenes in the actual show, and the fourth wall breaking was amusing.", "Seems that way.", "No Ed means no Mushroom Sambe :(", "That Spike is such a miscast.", "I honestly just feel bad for these actors. This feels like the producers were explained what Cowboy Bebop was from a person who heard about it from a friend.", "Imma give it a couple of episodes.", "It looked like a cutscene of a video game, and it sounded like it too. The way they talk to each other is very odd. It doesn’t have to be a cinematic masterpiece, but I think it could be entertaining.", "But why would they even make this promo? I guess because series fans will see it anyway, so this isn’t for the fans, it’s a flashy nothing for the casuals.", "I had completely forgot this was coming!!", "As a massive fan of the 2008 speed racer movie, and Cowboy bebop, this reminds me of it a ton and I am totally down. Just because it seems bad doesn’t mean it won’t be super enjoyable", "Plus it absolutely had a brief revival in the early-mid 90s when MTV started showing it. Even made its way into some (admittedly pretty cheesy) techno tracks.", "Motherfucking Jesse Eisenberg Jesus Christ fuck dude motherfuckin Facebook movie bullshit Jesus can you fucking believe this shit", "Pixy Stix for your optic nerves", "> how well the choreography was done\n\nThis is what's putting me off a lot with Bebop. \n\nI've never seen Kenshin/Samurai X, but just looking at the trailer makes me feel much more grounded. It's a little wuxia, but not fantasy wuxia like Crouching Tiger. Right from the start, it makes me feel like something I could watch and enjoy the choreography, better yet it feels like something where the choreography is believable as the character's natural action. \n\nWhen I look at the Bebop footage we've seen so far, it's not exactly wuxia, but it feels like the type of exaggerated choreography common to wuxia. The movements are wide, ungraceful, and seemingly pause time until they're completed before anyone else reacts. That doesn't feel like anything natural, it feels put on, and that kicks me out of my suspension of disbelief. \n\nI hope the actual show is better than the trailer footage.", "He's in an episode of Law & Order: SVU and he's pretty good in that one\n\nEdit to add: Hackers! I love that movie and he's great! Also Without a Paddle.\n\"Guess we're in the middle of 'Bumfuck' and 'You got a purdy mouth.'\"", "Meh, not completely sold. I’ll leave it up to Nov 19 verdict. On the other hand, glad to see Yoko Kano getting some usage fees. I’m sure she’s happy.", "Terrible actor for Spike, this is gonna suck so bad", "Netflix makes things their algorithm can sell to specific people, for as cheap as possible.\n\nCowboy Bebop fans will watch a Cowboy Bebop show. Even if it’s bad. \n\nThey need content for anime fans. Lots of content. It’s all targeted art instead of good art. Just push some specific person’s buttons well enough to lure them in.", "Who keeps letting Netflix fuck up this bad?", "That's a hard 7 years.", "and that’s why Netflix will get away with it", "There's not a single movie that I think was a waste of my time with the exception of Death Note. I legitimately feel like I gained nothing from watching it and want my time back.", "I can recognize Spike and Jet fairly well but I don't see Faye even a little. Show doesn't look as bad as I was expecting from Netflix though. Then again neither did Witcher from the trailer. I'll stay hesitantly optimistic.", "The manga is soooo much better than the anime, there’s just too much internal monologue for an animated series. I understand why people whose first experience with the franchise was the anime loved it, because the story and characters were great, but for me the animated version felt more static than the still images of the manga.", "Hmmm.... personally I don't think they are bad, but I can't say I'm a fan of them either.\n\nI think they would work as standalone movies, but if you read the original manga, the differences in plot would be too striking.", "While I'm pretty excited for this, I think that Cho as Vicious would've been rather brilliant.", "Dang -.-", "Perfect breakdown", "Well that was one hell of a ride", "I suppose the original TMNT movie? It was a comic first but the cartoon was made first and established the multi colored bandanas. \n\nI suppose transformers as well, but \"successful \" is subjective whom you ask.", "> His suit looks like it's straight out of the drycleaner. \n\nI think Cho also has such a different build from Spiegal as he's drawn in the anime. \n\nSo where the anime character is tall and thin, that suit jacket fits snug around his torso and waist. With Cho, the suit jacket fits him but he doesn't fit that suit jacket. It's the wrong cut and shape for him. \n\nI wish they had done something more flattering to Cho's body, even if it meant sacrificing the icon outfit. Cho feels like he should be wearing that suit like it's classy not shabby, but we need the shabby for the character to work. The show should focus on the shabby feel first, matching the anime second.", "Biff Wiff FTW", "In Bebop they 100% made sense.", "This is bad...", "This is a really well done College Humor sketch about how ridiculous a live action Cowboy Bebop would be.", "yeah i’m not feeling it at all. there’s some funny moments in the original anime but it didn’t come with this almost slapstick dialogue. the original main ark of the show is pretty dark. the anime movie was also pretty dark. maybe it’s just the teaser that sucks but i’m even less interested now than i was before. sometimes things need to be left as they were originally.", "It feels like a College Humor sketch on how silly a live action Cowboy Bebop would be.", "This looks like fucking trash.\n\nOnly moderately recognizeable character is Jet.\n\nJohn Cho is NOT my Spike, and Faye is suffering from a distinct lack of metallic spandex.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnother classic down the fucking drain.", "The concept is terrible.\n\nCowboy Bebop is perfect in the medium in which it was crafted. A live action version can only be worse.", "Man unironically used the word chud 😂", "Ah man, why did you have to say that? Now I'm disappointed that Andrew Koji isn't Spike, he's phenomenal in Warrior. Would've been a very solid choice", "Counterpoint, I love Cowboy Bebop and I'm actually excited about this! Anyone else or are we just gonna endlessly shit on a show that's literally not even out yet?", "The live action Rurouni Kenshin movies were pretty good.", "I had no idea there was a trust and betrayal adaptation, but much like cowboy bebop, or an imagined Studio Ghibli adaptation I ask myself why do we need this? Trust and Betrayal is already a master piece.", "No, it yeet isn't.", "I think she genuinely calls them that in the dub though", ">\tRurouni Kenshin\n\nThose movies are so good and stay faithful to the source material. Basically the only live-action adaptation of an anime/manga I haven't hated.", "I'm also a big Kenshin fan and was really happy with the movies.", "Yeah I liked the Speed Racer movie. No idea why everyone hates it. Y'all can suck my balls.", "CONSOOOOOOOMer moment", "Hmmm looks amazing but all that camera and scene splitting I can see being totally exhausting. I have no idea what is going on", "This is what i’d imagine a live action RWBY would be like 😂\n\nWho the fuck wanted this garbage", "Why don't they do 15 minute shorts or something to guage public response before committing to a whole season? This just feels off and I'm not going excited to see it bomb given how much i liked the original.", ". . .\n\nwell, it's not like i was going to watch this anyway.", "What does tonally incorrect mean. Non US so not sure what this term means", "You don't do flips and shits in real fighting.", "This looks like shit. Take away anything CB related and it still looks like shit. \n\nI don't even care for anime much if at all but have seen Bebop. It's good. This is unnecessary and does not look like it will be good in any way shape or form. It looks cheap and hollow. What I want to know is who pitched this adaptation and who the fuck greenlit it? They fucked up big time lol.", "Thing is, Cowboy Bebop's English Dub was the intended audio.", "This made me realize there’s probably people that like Dragon Ball Evolution and the live action Avatar lmaoooo", "It feels like only person who got the character even remotely right is Jet.", "I'll die on the hill that the Wachowskis' Speed Racer is a fantastic adaptation and movie in general. Audiences at the time weren't ready for it but I think it would be viewed much more favorably upon rewatching by a lot of people now. Beyond that, it's obviously got a lot of love poured into it, and the cast totally elevates it. IMO the comedy is definitely hit or miss because they wanted it to appeal to a younger audience, but the visuals are captivating, the racing is done perfectly, tonally it strikes the right balance of not taking itself so seriously and melodrama, and it's surprisingly emotional.", "Yes these flaps are a bit too on the mark", "Those where some solid fight scenes. Never heard of Warrior (nor the other one actually) but I haven't watched me a good Kung fu movie in looong time. I think I'm due. And I'm starting with Warrior.", "So if everyone said they loved it you wouldn't watch it. That's some strong logic there buddy. /s Probably should find better use of your time like I'm going to by not watching this.", "Loathe Camp", "this looks so unbelievably bad", "I mean, this was really cool. But if the whole show is like this, it's going to be near unwatchable.", "This is not good", "Best GameFly commercial ever", "IDK, the more i see the more worried I am. Nobody is cool enough for Spike. I’m sorry Jon.", "I fucking love the original Cowboy Bebop. And I can’t tell if this makes me angry or intrigued. And that’s bothering me.", "It doesn't matter how cool this ends up being or how faithful to the original story it is. I'm so fucking tired of remakes. \n\nDon't hit me with that \"everything is a remake of everything\" bullshit. You know what I mean.", "Agreed, but in a 10 episode version I highly doubt one of them was gonna be Mushroom Samba anyway :(\n\nAnyway you can't beat perfection though lol. Honestly there's a lot of people who seem to want to be angry if this show isn't shot-for-shot accurate and I'd rather they do something different but still in the spirit of the show. That's usually how the best adaptations are.", "Just like Jupiter legacy, it'll get cancelled by Netflix after season 1... or 3. It's always an odd number for Netflix.", "I kind of like it. I think I might be on board now. \n\nInitially I was against this because the anime is literally perfection. And what I had seen was just an attempt at a shot for shot remake, only with live actors - and to me it just felt like a waste of time. \n\nWhat's the point of doing the exact same thing with a different medium? Especially if you nailed it the first time. It's like making Air Bud again but this time in claymation. What the hell would be the point, you already perfected cinema with the first go-round. \n\nBut after seeing this, I'm actually interested. Because stylistically they are trying to take what the anime did and amplify it. At the very least it's an attempt to be different and if nothing else, that's a reason to do a remake.", "Those were definitely nods to neo in matrix reloaded, a bunch of that pipe fight scene is exactly the same!", "The whole thing has the feel of a \"next episode\" teaser to me. Like it's a long teaser for the next episode at the end of an episode", "That was great haha", "This is way more Kung Fury than I was expecting", "Love cowboy bebop and I still hope the show will be good but damn that was total shit", "Are you freddiew from the Youtube Freddie Wong forums?", "Interesting how charismatic = white.", "lmao", "Sweet Home (originally a Webtoon)\n\nAlice in Borderland (manga)\n\nKingdom (Webtoon)\n\nThese are the ones i can remember that has excellent quality.", "Again, Bebop isn't just the first third. Also, Ed does appear in the original opening sequence.\n\nSo again ...\n\nNo Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivruski IV, no Bebop.\n\nJust my opinion, of course, space cowboy. ✌🤠", "I think he's bringing a good vibe to the role personally, but to answer your question he's reliable. A big thing in Hollywood is hiring actors who have proven to be reliable actors, without behind the scenes drama who come in and get their work done. Cho is a safe choice in that regard.\n\nBut again, I like the vibe he's bringing. Spike always felt like he was older than he looked anyway. I'm excited for this, there seems to be passion from the directing and writing crew to make something fun and in the spirit of the anime without slavish devotion.", "The biggest problem Speed Racer had was not being Matrix 4.", "As a fan since ‘05, dating myself yes, nope. Feels way off to me. Super cheese 🧀", "This looks soooo goood! I'm seriously so hyped for this! Netflix actually honouring the original series and I'm loving the editing holy smokes!", "I hate this", "Bah, it's not a criticism but I'm a turnip. I thought you were talking about the quips before changing scenes, the snappy dialog that follows the pace of the action. As many others understood, the lines you referred to were a visual effect, not dialog.", "Exactly! This is something I’d expect to see on some random YouTube channel as a fan project, not an actual trailer from a billion dollar company.", "This looks like a expensive fan made short.", "I wanna see edy and Stein", "[Just leaving this scene here](https://youtu.be/Z-4ImAf6qYk)", "I think casting for spike was terrible. The dude playing him is an amazing actor... Just not for this part.", "That it was silly was not my problem. It was just everything else that felt so very off and dull.", "Yeah. I’m very much not a fan of this teaser, but I’m reserving my judgement. It’s a teaser. I’m not even convinced this is even in the show. I don’t think I’d even want the series to be shot-for-shot, honestly. The best any new Bebop could be is “as good” as the original. I just want the characters to hit their beats, because I did not feel the characters come through at all in this teaser.", "This is one of the worst things I've ever seen", "This is so fucking low budget and cringe. Like Kung Fury but without the humor and satire.", "This is some hilarious shit to read", "Dope", "Because it looks like total dogshit, it hits none of the same beats that the anime did and it's an abuse of the source content", "whys he black", "why don't spike smile? he supposed to be cheery.", "What. The. Fuck.\n\nWhy?\n\nWhy fuck up great show after great show with live action bullshit?!? I can't watch Attack on Titan because I watched the goddamn live action movie and it was such vapid shit that I can't even see the anime now without suffering PTSD from that steaming pile. Now we get shit like this so other people can suffer through a similar situation with what I regard to be one of the greatest anime of all time. Fucking stop already you clueless fucktards who keep greenlighting this crap!", "I kinda liked the end bit. “You shot him in the face! That’s why he doesn’t have a face!”\n\nIt felt very Spike and Jet to me", "This is a great trailer, and if it was for a new IP then it’s wonderful. But the fact they need to borrow names and ideas from an existing franchise just cheapens both interpretations. \n\nThe comedic spin on what ended up being a really mournful show is odd and off putting. I probably won’t watch this unless it gets crazy reviews.", "GeriatricBebop", "Gives off a real Scott Pilgrim vs the world vibe but cranked to the max. Amazing directing", "I know it’ll never be the original. I’m just so glad they picked a STYLE and fuckin ran with it. The anime-live action translation can lose so much energy due to the extremeness of, well, everything in anime. They picked an extreme style with this and they’re going balls to the wall. That’s the only way it’ll work.", "Right on man.", "I have zero familiarity with the source material and this looks interesting so I assume the locals hate it", "Oh my fuck this sucks. I was a big Cowboy Bebop nut back in the day and I couldn’t even finish watching this trailer. \n\nIt somewhat feels like a parody skit.", "This was awesome and i dont care what yall haters say you can suck my ramen dipped nuts", "My wife and I went as spike and Faye for Halloween. You could look at us and tell which character was which but that doesn't mean that we would be faithful representations of the characters. Although I will say I fight better than Jon cho", "The pace of the original is masterful. Wut.", "I don't really feel the atmosphere of the anime.. it looks more like a wild Wild West trailer", "Manic pixie dream girl and femme fatal are basically the same thing right?", "No I don't think it does. It's not been cancelled per se but ran its intended 6 seasons sasa ke? Obviously we would all love them to do 9 seasons but the show runner and authors never intended that it seems.", "Ehhhhh, tbh, this looks horrible.\n\nWhere is the Spike's laid back attitude?", "It's basically a frame-for-frame copy. It has the taste and creativity of a fan film. Bordering on parody.", "I wanted this. I might get disappointed, but it might be great, who knows?", "The Ghost in the Shell movie works and they played it straight.", "eh...", "this is why people on the internet don't make decisions", "What the fuck are you talking about that movie was terrible!?", "This is the tactic that these people use though, they want to get you to at least watch the show and give it a chance because they can technically be in the \"right\" even when in reality they will be wrong and it's super easy and predictable to tell.", "This looks incredible! And excellently cut together", "This looks like someone is doing a parody for cowboy bebop.\n\nToo much forced \"anime\" like stuff. Its been kiddie-fied.\n\nThe original is much more dark and noir. There is heavy smoking ffs.\n\nGood to see they kept yoko kannos sound tracks.\n\nOnly jet's character seems to be a good match. The rest havent grasped their charecters well, they are too fucking happy to be playing those roles lol.", "Not for me. Cool effects, but they should have spent more time making the chemistry and script be less stiff", "Bear with me. Because it wasn't. If you watch it and forget the anime ever existed.\n\nTo put it another way, if the movie was exactly the same but they named it something else and also renamed everything in it, it would actually be good. The only thing that makes it bad is the baked in comparison to an existing franchise.\n\nThis show looks like it's shaping up to be a repeat of that issue by the way.", "Ghost in the shell movie was actually watchable. This one...", "Rurouni Kenshin \n\nBoth excellent in tone and action", "Yeah, I feel like Spike should look more bored, Faye should look angrier, and Jet should be more fatherly.", "Good christ is the entire show going to be like this?", "I wanna give it the benefit of the doubt and say that, well, it basically is a skit.\n\n\nThis is meant to be over the top, campy, a little wooden and just all round weird, because it is an ad. It's not clips from the show, it's a self contained thing. The show could have a completely different tone.\n\n\nIts like when cartoon network did short promos/bumpers containing characters from actual shows, it was forced, out of place and a little cheesy but that's fine because the actual shows were tonally completely different!", "The great ruroni kenshin movies are more akin to the typical samurai/martial arts films, so it's not as difficult of a premise to adapt in live action, since there are already plenty of similar shows that have proven to be good.", "dude the casting was impeccable. i loved every second of those movies.", "Batmanuel", "It feels exactly like a corridor digital video", "Can’t wait looks fun", "This thread is full of shills. It's incredible how transparent they are. \n\nWho is falling for it?", "Pray pray", "i know right... that original title was awesome", "Okay now I'm really sad it wasn't this guy.", "He looks the best... except for his nonchalant jog in the title sequence. If he cheeses it up like 10% he may be perfect though.", "Yeah I agree. But China's dick isn't going to suck itself.\n\nholy shit people, if you can't tell the difference between \"Hollywood wants money from Chinese audiences and so they're cramming people in wherever they can even at the expense of other marginalized groups\" and \"China bad all Asians are the same\" then maybe don't be on the internet.", "Burn it with fire!", "Not even this teaser is entirely comedic either though so I'm not sure why people are acting like the whole show is going to be only comedy.", "I can't help but think about how much better Andrew Koji or Jason Tobin would have been. \n\nWarrior has a little bit of a bebop feel now that I think about it.", "Start by picking someone in their twenties or thirties lol.", "I wonder if they'll manage to reach The Last Airbender levels of fan outrage. Although I will not make the same mistake twice and actually watch this one.", "Anyone else tag the sets as off? - They're too clean. Looks like an amusement park, not the gritty setting from bebop.", "Jesus christ, you fucks need to lighten up. It's just a show.", "Let's be honest only Ein is right and God help us if it's renewed and ed is put in. I just can't see ed being done right in any way.", "I will never be able to get used to Jet being black. idk why they did this, doesn't matter if his voice actor is black, he is not black.", "Yikes", "I think it will be good. Different but good", "My expectations were low but god damn if NetFlix isn't capable of proving how much worse they can be.\n\nThis was made by a group of 50 something marketing directors who casually glanced at a picture of the anime while watching tik tok videos.", "Lmao I get what you mean by millennial epic but we need another term for it", "Why do you care? It's just a show, remember?", "Nailed it", "Why would they make a promo for a new version of a popular show? That’s your question?", "avatar: the last air bender. lol jk that was a fucking train wreck", "He was never black.", "highly disagree, he never seemed black nor with his black voice actor. That is the main thing I am not okay with.", "I mean, it was a goofy fucking show dude. There was a whole episode about getting high on schooms and the fucking Dog is a hacker.\n\nSpike's story is a more classic noir. And so are many of the stories around him and Jet. But the show has a very light tone for maybe fully half the runtime and especially in the first 2/3s of it.\n\nThat said, this adaptation just isn't doing it for me yet. I hope I warm up to the full series when it drops.", "Uhh the original death note live action movies were great.", "God willing it was only ever planned as one season. If they stretch this into multiple seasons I would hate it.", "This is the sickest burn in the entire thread.", "!RemindME 5 hours", "To be fair, the first episode also is pretty slapstick about bell peppers and beef (-beef).\n\nThat's not what is bothering me. Comedy can work. It just has to have good delivery and this isn't landing for me.", "Oh god that movie 😂", "After watching and loving the anime years ago I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this", "I think the thing killing my hype is they keep showing everything way way too early. We have seen Vicious like 3 times in trailers and teasers. We have seen 98% of all the villains in their version of the intro. It feels like they are mugging to the camera to titilate you instead of just doing the show.\n\nLike, if the Game of Thrones opening was a giant cast montage instead of the cool fucking map. That is what this feels like. \"Remember Khal Drogo, he was cool right? Here he is in the opening. But you won't see him but in one episode halfway through the series!\"", "Perhaps not smiley per se, but definitely smirky.", "Hell is other people too. That show was fucking awesome", "Controversial Opinion: Spin offs are a respect to the original storyline but supposed to feel different. Stop being so damn critical and at least let them release it then judge it. \n\nI for one am happy to see this. I’m not looking for a 1 to 1 perfect tone of the show. I want to see what they can do with this story line and set their own tone. And so far I’m into it", "🌍 Bebop-inu\r \n👍 Stealth launch\r \n🔒 Locked liquidity - May 2022\r \n🎉 Safu 100%\r \n👉 Slippage: 12%\r \nhttps://t.me/bebopinu \r \n\\#CowboyBebop", "#bebopinu will be huge with this netflix series.", "me too... the 1080Blu is really good already but if a 4K exists it will be an instant buy. Have never seen it anywhere though... a \"Great White Buffalo\" (see also Kill Bull Whole Bloody Affair)", "but why", "I loved him in scream. \"I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.\"", "No, why make a shitty promo that doesnt portray what the show is going to feel like?", "I thought we were all in agreement that if there was a live action Cowboy Bebop, Keanu Reeves would play Spike.", "More ham than Calculon", "I thought it was so strange that he got the narrator for Series of Unfortunate Events while Peter Serafinowicz got The Tick. Felt like someone somewhere got some files mixed up and the roles got reversed.", "dragonball and deathnote let's goooooo!", "[mmhmm…](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/pdrnpj/twitter_vara_dark_daniella_pineda_attacked_cowboy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)\n\nAlso, if you believe that she does her own stunts you’re kidding yourself. She and Netflix just wanted to push an agenda (like every other company out there now a days) that the more skin a woman shows the less respectable they are. The flirtier they are = sluttier, and that’s a big no no. Thats why they are trying (and failing) to fundamentally change the very essence of the femme fatal archetype and trying to downplay the very idea of a curvaceous figure. They’re doing it with Jessica rabbit, Scarlett Johansson did it with black widow, Zoe kravitz tried to tell fans not to sexualize cat woman, black cat in the spider man ps4 game got rid of the cleavage window, they got rid of miss bellum in the PPG reboot (and got rid of miss keens breasts), Peter Parker’s love interest isn’t the flirty, and feminin Mary Jane Watson/ Gwen Stacy anymore but the more snarky and conservatively dressed Michelle Jones, she ra reboot makes the character look more masculine by comparison, the list goes on and on.\n\nI’m getting dms to list more so I will: \n- the Charles angels reboot, \n- the tomb raider, \n- jasmine in the Aladdin live action movie, \n- Lola bunny, \n- Minerva mink and the nurse are out of the animaniacs reboot, \n- shehulk in the new reboot (and the comics) of all people \n- adora from he man \n- the scarlet witch \n- thunder cats \n- hell look at Twitter and their skewering of anime girls, you’d think having breasts was a crime or something", "It's definitely Alita fast-tracking a tragic romance. She literally offers him her heart (which they did nicely in the movie, even if it was different), and in the manga she's much more like... 14 or 16 at most, it's very sadly innocent love. \n\nAnd then she goes into post-romance depression where she joins a murder-sport and devotes her focus to becoming a killing machine through constant combat training at high speeds on a death track. Y'know... as one does. ;)", "Because it’s not the actual trailer, it’s a promo teaser that was highly stylised for the purposes of holding attention.\n\nLest we forget that the original was not always a super gritty, and I see no issue not making the teaser look like cowboy blade runner.\n\nWait a week and you get the actual trailer, and you can stop sounding like such a whiny bitch about a fucking tv show", "I think I will be relaxed and reassured knowing that netflix handles live action version of an anime", "Whatever happens, happens.", "That's not a teaser.", "If you wanted something different why don't you just watch something different?", "Omfg what is this shit.\nThe infinite power of the Netflix skills..", "should’ve casted lakeith stanfield instead", "Tbh I never liked Faye in the animated version and immediately liked this version, so for me it's a step up, but for anybody hoping it sticks super close to the original I can see how that might not work.", "... I thought she was hot...", "That was also based on a light novel", "Yeah I mean unless you like listening to imagine dragon every episode everytime something \"big\" happends then it would be perfect for you xD.", "I love how she goes “no no no no no NO NO” in the end lol", "It's clear that Netflix paid for upvotes too, how else would this garbage have 15k upvotes", "I’m only vaguely familiar with the tv show, but this looks the tits! Looking forward to it:)", "The dialogue from the trailer makes me not like it, especially Faye's.", "Bruh what the fuck is this lmao.", "Absolutely. I like the other casting choices but his is a terrible one, been saying it from the start.", "I personally thought the Ghost in the Shell live action movie was successful.", "Idk what it is but maybe its the camera style or something? It just comes off like a fan project every time I see something about it because the way the characters look or the cinematography or something about it just looks slightly off to me.", "Redditors are so fucking stupid sometimes saying shit like \"I hope the entire show doesn't have the pacing of this 2 minute promo\"", "To be fair japan/china actually care for their source material (or the fans will eat the whole company alive) than big Hollywood corporations (except when a Hollywood corporation decide to do interfere and say \"trust us, this gonna work\") that care more to pandering everyone than actually catering the fans that will go watch it and probably drag their close friends/relatives to the movie.", "Yeah, it’s hilariously ignorant to suggest they didn’t watch the source material", "The Ace attorney movie was awesome. It was hitting all the right notes on the head. For the people that didn't want to play the first game or wouldn't I would say that it would be a faithful adaptation. And you can take ace attorney more like a manga spiritually.", "This is super fucking weird. It's like they're using the exact storyboard for a cartoon but for live action. It's people acting out a cartoon. And why do the guns have zero kickback like they're toy guns? \n \nIt's like Black Dynamite but unironic with the cheap sets and bad acting.", "They had to get their money worth of that one song :D", "\"This community may have been banned or the community name is incorrect.\"\n\nDamn right it should be banned.", "Good in Twin Peaks too, blew my mind when I saw his performance.", "I do really enjoy Speed Racer, it's something people should at least check out, though you're going to get tonal whiplash in some parts of the film where the switch between dramatic and silly sequences is flipping every minute.\n\nIf I was making a cut of the film I'd probably take 30 minutes out.", "The main character from Warrior seems like he would be a good fit for spike. Has a moody demeanor, but can be charming. \n\nThis actor playing spike seems so off", "My personal conspiracy theory on the matter is that it was cancelled in part due to \"The Boys\" and Amazon feeling that they did not want to Compete against themselves by running two \"Similar\" super hero shows.", "She doesn't offer Hugo her heart in the manga, FYI. She wagers it in the arm wrestle with Jashugan. I do think it was a nice repurposing of that scene though, for what the movie was trying to do.\n\nBut yeah, it seems like we're saying the same thing.", "Aren’t trailers supposed to make you want to watch something?", "Was Spike eating noodles like a thing? I remember him eating noodles and having a thing for food in general but stopping mid chase to get noodles feels off character.\n\nCharacters being really into noodles in a futurist dystopia is a massive trope. See every futurist dystopia thing ever made. But I don't remember it being like a thing in cowboy bebop.", "The Cat in the Hat. Obviously", "Sure, but how does that explain the quality of the live action series?", "Live-action Samurai X also had the creator of the manga help with the script and even casting to make sure everything felt right. This Spike Speagle joint probably couldn't...or worse: didn't bother.", "Im really excited for this but after watching this im not sure if im sold on jon as spike, you watch the original anime and spike is so charismatic, jon looks a bit too grumpy in this for my liking.", "It does help that Kenshin in turn is guaranteed to be inspired hugely by classic samurai movies of Japanese cinema", "Lol, this looks like crap.", "Netflix show are often bad but they rarely feel cheap, this acting feels cheap", "This some AVGN level shit", "Speed Racer was surprisingly awesome.", "How do you miss the tone of the show this badly?", "John cho only shines during the action shots.", "No. No please god no. No. Nooooooooo.\n\nCowboy bebop was perfect the way it was. Not everything needs a real life adaptation.", "Looks interesting, but I was hoping they would show Cowboy BeBop at his computer.", "Love that movie", "I’m going to pretend I never saw this.", "Spike? More like “yikes”", "John Cho just looks.....old here. I don't know why, I've seen him look way better in other movies/shows.\n\n\nThis Especially stands out when compared to Spike, who is extremely youthful/playful on the outside. His chrisma comes from that playfulness, i understand they want to cast an asian character, but John Cho was not a good choice.\n\nThe fight didn't feel right either, the dialogue felt like they just didn't fit the character on screen.", "incredibly jealous of your experience. what a dream it would have been to see", "I preferred how L 'won' in the live action over the anime. Once he exits the anime it went downhill for me so I think they were right with how they handled it in the movie. That said, I found L's eating habit so much grosser in the live action one.", "Yes please.", "Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no…why.", "Felt like I just watched some school project, just felt oddly amateurish.", "Female sounds like kid from High School Musical.", "Weirdest actor to play spike.", "The editing team put just as much effort in as much as the storyboard team didint", "For how theatrical this trailer is, John Cho’s acting seems pretty flat.", "Yeah theres something about Johns acting that puts me off his movies. he just seems like he not into any of the roles his actually playing", "No? Dangit, now I gotta go look... I remember when she puts her heart on the table for the arm-wrestling match, but I thought there was a scene with her heart and Hugo... maybe it was that she puts his hand inside her chest?\n\n-EDIT- I realized what I was thinking of, it was when she was being operated on by Kaos and he was touching her heart. Which ended up being even creepier than it sounds because Kaos is kind of a socially inept weirdo.", "Even Steven yeun would have been a casting.", "I used to feel like this, but then I realised I can't stop them and don't have to watch it so as far as I'm concerned they don't exist anyway. \n\nLike them making a shitty adaptation of GITS didn't make the old one dissapear.", "100% agree he feels out of place as Spike.", "Good to see that the casting director responsible for Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor got a job at Netflix casting Faye.", "The Production reminds me of the countless Youtube live-action renditions of animated shows. Spike looks too old, and their personalities seem kind off, but I'll give it a shot.", "Yeah, fingers crossed it doesn't get too CW", "This. This is the comment. I don’t know how more correct you could be. Sadly, I wonder how much, if any of this we’ll get - sitting around on the Bebop listening to the engines hum.", "Naaah dude. This looks dope as shit! And all those people hating the last year can suck it….. imo", "The transition style is really cool. I also felt like Edgar Wright vibes at one point in the video", "I disagree, I think he seems the perfect age. It's just that John Cho is too old.", "Rian Johnson's movie BRICK has Joseph Gordon Levitt playing a live action Spike Spiegel in a highschool noir film.", "I don't think it's that he's too young, it's that John Cho is too old. Jet's age is supposed to be 36, and Mustafa Shakir is 45.\n\nI hope they don't try to pretend like Spike is in his 20s in this one, or even his 30s. If they straight up go down the path of 50 year old Spike, then it'll be a lot easier to wathc.", "Nice one racism 👍🏽", "Yeah I don’t disagree there. If anything the trailer should have been first, then this.", "China is going to be mighty pleased over this Netflix anime adaptation having a south korea born actor in it.", "Get off the shounen train and you'll find more good show that way.\n\nFor example, do you know the critical acclaimed Korean movie Oldboy is an adaption of the seinen manga [Old Boy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Boy_(manga))?\n\nHana Yori Dango is shoujo manga that had several live action adaptions around Asia and garner massive success, shooting many young actors to stardom.\n\n\nChihayafuru, Alice in Borderland, Death Note, Bloody Monday, Midnight diner, Itazura na Kiss, Ao Haru Ride, Kimi ni Todoke, As the god's will... just to name a few.", "Okay that looks pretty dope! 😁", "Desktop version of /u/Lazearound10am's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Boy_(manga)>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "Uhhhhhhhhhh this show is not gonna be serious enough. And it looks like it was filmed by high schoolers on a play set stage.", "I was a little bummed they changed her look", "Man I had my skepticism from John Cho being cast as Spike and after seeing this, I REALLY don't see him as Spike at all.", "The dragonball movie from 2010", "I think Mustafa Shakir was the only one on the video who moved well, and that’s because the dude has prior experience with fight scenes from Luke Cage. I thought the way they sped up Daniela Pineda’s hits looked really bad.", "An actual Edgar Wright Cowboy Bebop would probably be amazing.", "Feels a little too kiddy focused like a show I used to watch called The Middleman that stars Natalie Morales (awesome series btw).\n\nStill not sure how to feel about it, the style\nis “Speed Racer lite”. \n\nCould be a huge disaster :(\n\nHoping for the best since I like all of these actors!", "Buddy, all that matters is that you finally experienced it.", "If anything this has made me wanna go rewatch the original series again lol", "That was rad", "> I can't reconcile what I just watched with scenes like Faye watching her childhood video.\n\n\nI mean, the tone varied dramatically between episodes. I can absolutely reconcile the trailer with, say, most of the cast tripping balls for an entire episode, or Spike getting his ass kicked by Ed’s dad.", "So if this show is starting from the beginning..... Should they change the progression of the plot to include her immediately?", "It seems this show is going to completely fail to capture the essence of Cowboy Bebop. A melancholy space opera. There is way to much lightheartedness in this trailer.", "Her casting screams friend of the producer.", "His \"Spike!\" sounds just like Beau Billingslea in the English dub. I liked that touch.", "Even though it might disappoint, I will be watching this!", "What did they do to the Bebop!? And the rest of it!?... This made me feel estranged.", "I love John Cho but watching him move made my back feel sympathy pains. Dude looks way too stiff.", "I appreciate the pursuit of authenticity. But sometimes you need a few tonal shifts to accommodate the transition from anime to live action.\n\nEasier said than done I'm sure.", "Yeah, but going that poor route is usually just an excuse for rushed or poor production woes.", "Thanks for the upvotes. \n\nI just want to add that, John Cho, if you’re reading this, you should play Spike however you want. You are a stranger to me and I was unkind. \n\nThere’s a lot of negative feedback here, but even though your interpretation is not my cup of tea, don’t let it stop you. \n\nI’m guessing you’re a fan of the original and it must be nice to play a character you enjoyed when you were younger. Good luck with it!", "Where is Ed and Ein?", "He moved like old man with stiff back.", "Anyone know the song from 1:00-1:06? Gonna be stuck in my head until I find it", "That movie even had a “flashback during important moment” scene. That shit was one of the best live action adaptations.", "Huh, maybe that's one reason I just can't get into anime.", "Well he looked like a guy trying fight while in front a fixed camera. If the camera was more dynamic in following him, then he could move around/behind the other actors without breaking view. I'll reserve judgement", "Cowboy Bebop via Zoom", "Ooh, yes yes yes.\n\nThat would be so cool.", "Agreed. The FLCL sequels made me hesitant for any sort of 90's anime revival.", "There's an entire storyline full of twists and drama!", "Cracking trailer\n\n> gives nothing away from the plot\n\n> introduces the 3 main characters\n\n>sets the tone\n\n>visuals and audio are both stunning\n\n>expectations fully set\n\nI've never seen the anime, and I don't care for purists. Have an open mind - something can be its own thing. Look at the Witcher - I don't care if its different to the video games that I've played or the books that I haven't read. On its own, its a great show. This might be too. It might not. But this trailer was fun, different and original, so it has my attention", "Ein and ed, 4 life", "Re-fuckin-lax the show has not even come out yet, so far these trailers have been better than anything i couldve hoped for", "/cringetopia", "Nooo dont ruin this", "because the source is good?\n\nfaithful to the source is what is expected.", "Everyone gangsta till Matt Smith appears and kills a lady from the 50s", "Rurouni Kenshin", "I really hope that this show is as good as the anime.", "So I've learned one thing in my years of loving media. When a different medium is made out of something loved it helps immensely when you see it as a tribute and not as an attempt to copy the original. \nLike that you can focus on the elements instead of on the details.", "> What is it with Netflix and live-action animes?\n> \n> There are a dozen of them and all look trash.\n\nLow budget, get's views", "The whole thing is like 6 minutes but we'll worth it. [Long, long man saga](https://youtu.be/6-1Ue0FFrHY)", "Like Hardcore Henry", "Me", "Wow\n\nif it dont TRANSLATE why make a live action then?\n\nu are basically just saying that the live action wont work if its the actual cowboy bebop.", "The matrix", "jeez, it doesn't look good at all, the visuals are too much like a fan project.", "uncalled?\n\nu started with the personal attacks instead of offering any real argument u are just labeling people.", "still w8 for an actual argument and not just qq from u about what people are or not.", "man, the colour grading looks all netflixy/walking deady :/", "This looks miserable. Loud bombastic and obnoxious Scott Pilgrim meets Speed Racer style and poor casting, easy pass.", "Why can’t we let things be :( as much as I’d love CB to have continued this seems forced", "Ruroni Kenshin/Samurai X", "Whats with the downvotes?", "Edgar would need the same fight choreographer he had for Scott Pilgrim and The World's End, and he unfortunately died after finishing Marvel's Shang-Chi. If you wondered why the choreography was so good Kingsman and all the films I mentioned, he's the reason.", "Super miscast, they all feel, look, and act like it's a fan film.", "Thank you based Gianni", "Woah, this looks worse than I ever imagined.", "And Edward.", ">Speed Racer\n\nI caved this year and finally watched it. There's a HDR version out there. Words cannot describe the joy I felt.", "City hunter / Nicky Larson has a very good adaptation. It's a french movie, don't know how the dub hold in english.", "I think all 3 are miscast based on this alone. Spike and Faye especially. Jet seems good but too young kinda the opposite of Spike being too old.\n\nI totally agree about Cho being the worst fo the three and feeling stiff. Spike is supposed to be like Han Solo in a lot of ways, the 'dashing rogue' but Cho is just Harold in a wig.", "No that's just the peak quality of LA writers nowadays", "Thank Marvel and Disney for that.", "im one of those people. i like to watch live action animes and then tell my friend sal about them, and he tells me everything wrong with them since he's seen the anime's. it's like a thing we do at this point and I'm always excited for his rants", "Netflix needs to stop trying to adapt animes into live action.", "They also only greenlight the huge known IP like Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and original Disney content.", "he can't like it too much. the final season is only 6 episodes. fewer than all previous seasons\n\nand it also doesn't finish the series as in the books. if bezos was really such a superfan he would let the series finish no matter how much money it lost (cuz he don't give a shit about lost money, he's got billions upon billsions)\n\nalthough, spoiler: >!the books that take place after this final season mostly take place like thousands of years in the future!<\n\nso all everything being equal, it's a good place to stop the story on tv/amazon", "Do the 4th and 5th movies follow the Manga plot in order? Or do they nix them up some?", "That’s just John Cho’s face. That’s why he is Miscast. He can’t show any emotion, it all just goes with the ‘Cho if you know what I mean. And that is one face. \n\nNetflix added what they thought would be a huge name draw to save it from sucking, but I’ve seen Cho is so much, it takes away.", "They all the fall flat for me, but jet is the closest to correct. Love the editing style, but that will not save this if the acting is as bad as this looked, and if the writing is trash. Will give it a chance, of course, but so far this ain't it", "Goddamn it, yeah he would have been perfect.", "This is the inverse to speed racer. Absolutely love that movie, I think it's the only good and successful adaptation of anime to live action I've seen. This somehow... Seems like they watched that and thought \"yeah let's do Bebop racer!\" ...I am just confused by the tone here... It's... Not good. At all.", "I have high hopes for this but that trailer felt like it was produced within the Scott Pilgrim universe.", "OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG", "News to me. Do they say where he’s from?", "It really really does look not good. \n\nI already have a feeling Fey’s character is going to cause a lot of controversy because from the trailer they tried to make her “one of the boys” which ngl her character did not need.", "This looks dope, do I need to see the anime first for context?", "Oh god, it's so bad. Worse even than I imagined, and my expectations were low.", "I didn't even find it technically impressive.", "This should have been the trailer and that’s it. Like for a fan made trailer that just wants to have fun with the characters of Bebop it’s fine but I can not imagine an entire show with this tone and this campiness. Giving a pass on shit because “it’s campy” is such a cop out by the way. People just use camp to hide shit and to hide the fact that they didn’t know what they were doing.", "Leaning into the goof is a double edged sword. Cowboy Bebop definitely had its fair share of goofiness, but thats not what people remember it for. Can they make an episode as serious as “My Funny Valentine”? Probably not, but it probably will still be a fun watch", "You don't miss this badly in the trailer by accident. You put your best stuff in the trailer - the things you think will draw people in.\n\nThis is actually what they think we'll like.", "Faye is so bad. Faye is supposed to be sexy and fun and conniving and this Faye has zero sex appeal at all", "Somebody on IG commented that it looks like a porn parody of Cowboy Bebop and now I can’t unsee it…", "It was pretty bad", "The dialogue is so bad “hey I was going to eat that”", "I think the problem is in the way the characters are written. In the anime jet is a detective that became dissolutioned with the law so he became a bounty hunter. He is the oldest and acts like a father to everyone because he likes to be in control and has that out-of-date vibe. Spike is maybe a decade younger and uses bounty hunting to escape his past. Because of his past as a top mafia lieutenant he always seems like he's conning or grifting . He and jet get along for the most part because they have the same goal. Fey is interesting because she tries to be a fem fatale, but always seems to miss the mark. She is the youngest by physical age. Everyone keeps her at arms length because fey only cares about fey.\n\nThis will be interesting, but I'll have to view it as a separate thing from the source.", "Yeah but Takashe Miike almost feels like cheating.", "I think the “crazy” tone doesn’t translate well to live action, which is why this trailer seems so of. They should have relied on a tone more grounded in reality.", "I think I'm going to have to watch this not expecting cowboy bebop in order to enjoy it", "I was so invested in the drama. It was like a soap opera!", "I’m into it… I actually thought they were going to make it way overly serious compared to the cartoon which actually has a good amount of humor in it. It’s never going to be a 1:1 to the cartoon so I’m down to see more.", "This is the cringiest comment section I've ever seen. The \"I just understand Cowboy Bebop at a deeper level\" energy is off the charts when most of these people probably got Cs in high school lit.", "I'm so sick of seeing that same low effort \"futuristic\" revolver in every movie/show where the director had no attention to detail. They used it as Togusa's gun in the living ve action ghost in the shell movie and it was so far off the mark. Ugh this is bad", "Faye straight up feels like a random out of a YouTube sketch. Absolutely no sex appeal or a feeling of femme fatale from her", "There was this seamless blend of aloof melancholy and childlike joy that Steve Blum was able to bring forth to the character that I ain't really seeing here.\n\nI'll still keep an open mind but I don't think I'm really feeling this so far.", "> Something just felt off though.\n\nSomething literally ALWAYS feels off when they try to convert art that was built from the ground up as animation into live action. Im surprised they are still fucking trying after so many shitty attempts....", "This is exactly it. And like another commenter said, he looks very stiff. Spike should be more drunken master, WAY less ip man.", "I've wanted a live action Cowboy Bebop for more than a decade. I just envisioned it being something akin to anime Blade Runner. Not so much this.\n\nBut I'm hoping the editing of the trailer isn't indicative of the whole show.", "Yeah that much is obvious, I think what people have issue with is the overall tone despite the campy editing. Like, Spike's PTSD flashback of Vicious didn't land right imo.", ">And the writing, while it feels like dialogue from an anime, just doesn’t feel right with live action.\n\nHuh.. Its almost like art that is designed and built from the ground up as animation doesnt work when converted into live action. That cant be true though because why would Netflix keep attempting it over and over and over again.....\n\n/s", "I'm really worried about the casting as well as the overall feel of it. Feels like it's pandering to a younger audience.", "Thing is, the movement you're speaking of, that light-footed-ness of dancing back and forth is really, reeeeaaally hard to coreograph. Especially to the externt that Spike uses it.\n\nNot even Jet Lee had that type of flow his movies. Spike is basically animated as if he's hanging from a thread and his feet are barely touching the ground, in real life, it would look like wire-fu, which is not what Cowboy Bebop is about.\n\nAlso, when it comes to not liking the backflip, Spike does do several high kicks, a backflip and a sweeping parkour-like kick in that video.", "Man, I really thought it'd be shit.\n\nSo then watching it and seeing how stylised and how much effort they've put into it I was happy... and then I realised I didn't like it at all.\n\nMaybe it's not shit, but it's definitely not how I envision CB and it's still not good.", "Spike needs to smile more I think", "Rurouni Kenshin was really good, the Death Note Live Action was good, I've heard the Kaguya one was too.\n\nEDIT: The Japanese Death Note that is, not the Netflix one, obviously.", "> Faye seems WAYY off the mark.\n\nShe seemed mostly okay, Spike being stiff and scowling the whole time was what put me off. He shouldn't exude so much effort or so much anger, he's lazy and easygoing.", "Uh, yes it is. He’s a POC. That’s nextflix’s new thing. Huge POC showcase. Look at the black cap America actor being in things and stuff.", "He can, but he's in his 70s now so he might need a bit of makeup.", "Boys Before Flowers / Hana Yori Dango had some good live actions, especially Meteor Shower (F4).", "I like it. Jet’s actor nails the look and personality. Fay’s doesn’t quite have the look, but she’s incredibly expressive like Fay should be. My only complaint is Spike’s actor seems too old for me. And that there’s no Ed or the dog", "> Just why?\n\nBecause the Marvel Movies made a bazillion dollars and American audiences roundly reject any male character with emotional ranges beyond\n\n1. Spiderman (quippy, silly fun guy)\n2. Tony Stark (jerk with a heart of gold)", "When you sat successful do you mean made money? Because The Transformers films fit that. Or do you mean good? Because The Josie and The Pussy Cat's is a fantastic piece of satire.", "I agree. I think the actual problem is that whoever was in charge either didn't realize that it takes A LOT of hours per day put in to make actors without a martial arts background look like the real deal on screen or they couldn't put those hours in. I doubt they had John Wick 3 levels of budget (Halle Berry actual looks pretty smooth overall in that film if you haven't seen it, also Common in the second movie) or Shang Chi (Meng'er had none either, but looks pretty good), so what can you do? Well, other than hire actors who have a martial arts background. In that sense it does speak to a lack of effort, though it may not really be their fault. Still, like others, I hope this was more a nod to the very tonally different aspects of Cowboy Bebop or that this was early in their training cycle. We'll see.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit: So I watched it again, and it's kinda hard to say (referring to my previous statements), actually. Yes, John (the actor) looks a bit stiff, but also the choreography could've focused more on how Spike likes to bounce around and be mobile. Even if the actor isn't Spike levels of fluid, I can't imagine it'd be more terribly difficult than other forms of choreography to have him, say, be juuust out of the range of a punch here, or to barely be at an awkward angle for his opponent to land a kick there, all while having a smirk on his face. The very direct block he does against the first guy seems antithetical to his typical style. The best part to me was when he dodged that last punch. Really does seem like a choreography misstep on a second look. I still doubt that professionals never looked at the material, though, so I'm curious why they went this direction. Again, may have just been done for the trailer, I really hope so.", "Where is Ein? ED?!", "But Harold from Harold and Kumar is Chinese so ofcourse his actor is 🙄", "> for inspiration rather than adhere to the Anime.\n\nI know that it's a very divisive topic, but I've always felt that adaptations should feel more \"inspired by\" than attempt to be a direct copy of the original.\n\nOthers have said the best adaptation of a manga is Edge of Tomorrow, and that's wildly different from the original.\n\nGhost in the Shell wasn't (in my opinion, obviously) as bad as people say it is, but I actually felt the worst parts were when it tried to copy the original but failed.\n\nSome (some) of the new stuff was great, but the things I felt held it back the most were 1) trying to shoe-horn in original references, and 2) trying to explain why the Major wasn't Japanese.\n\nThey should have just made a new character in the same setting with the same themes, and given it a different tagline like Ghost in the Shell: Duplicate to tease at the fact that it's the same but different.", "I don’t want something different", "I’ve never seen Cowboy Bebop and this looks amazing… maybe I should actually watch the anime so I can understand what everyone is complaining about.", "> Ed missing from the trailers hurts because Ed is so great in the original \n\nAlso, a lot of the crazy tone is Ed and Ein.\n\nThis is like trying to replicate a comedy avt but you forgot the comic and just brought the straight men, and asked them to do it.\n\nThey had the banter part done well, and they do throw out the odd witty one-liners in the original, but this was too much.\n\nIt's like hearing that a character can dance and you make a whole trailer about them dancing.\n\nEven if the show is great, it's likely to throw off a lot of the existing fans, and their doubt can really hamper the hype.", "If Cho truly moved like Spike does in the anime, it would look like wire-fu in real life. Spike gets actual airtime, effortlessly slides back dozens of feet and has feet lighter than Muhammed Ali.", "Not to be a downer but I think his episode of the Mandalorian was the worst as far as action and direction goes. I hope he does a good Boba Fett just because I really liked Alita.", "Faye barely has any action scenes in the show, like she shoots at people but she’s not a martial artist so I don’t see how that’s an issue. They probably turned her into one because they don’t know what they’re doing", ">I love that they're leaning into the campy-ness a bit.\n\n\n>a bit\n\nThat was really just a little bit to you?", "Do.... do you think that's a new development in comics? It's not anywhere near new, it's been a thing for years now.", "I agree, it’s so weird. Portraying women in a sexy way is somehow misogynistic all the time and makes them weak but also hyper sexual women are the strongest women at the same time as long as they aren’t conventionally attractive. It’s insane", "This would’ve been the perfect choice. He had the perfect combination of cockiness and laid backness in Tokyo Drift (which is like top 3 Fast movies).\n\nI feel Ving Rhames would’ve made a good Jet.", "Black don't crack tho", "No, I think it’s a recent trend of netflixes. Like I just said.", "Feels like the intro to porn version", "there's some potential there to either be just be alright or something special.\n\ntop notch editing for sure( gives me the Scott Pilgrim vibes). Casting what we consider one of the most iconic characters is virtually impossible, but the effort almost shows. the acting is hit or miss honestly. i get it; trying to nostalgia bait all the 'core' anime fans with what most consider a masterpiece of an anime is a colossal task. \n\nif it's on netflix im pretty sure they're taking the squid game method of releasing it in almost every language. which means majority of the world is going to see it.\n\nthose comic panels tho, that's gonna be the current state of the internet trend on tiktok/ shorts for a while", "Anyone who thinks you mean the Hollywood movie would not be impressed that you like the anime.", "Just watched that, he would have been 100x better than John Cho", "Very impressive camera work/effects. Very bad dialogue and character choices except Jet. This ain't it.", "Did the Netflix writers even watch the source material?", "Cool, but SUPER goofy.", "Yeah I don’t buy that explanation at all. Even if they did go with her original outfit it would have looked bad anyway because they completely miscast her in the beginning. Faye is supposed to have a gym bunny body which the outfit would have looked perfect on. They just went hard conservative in her ataire which makes no sense", "Fuck that trifling bitch", "This is just... I have no words to describe how fucking awful that looks", "Yikes.", "No.", "Is there not another set of moves involving a pole and multiple people being hit the same way as in Matrix 2?", "I just think it’s asinine that a woman has to look more masculine now a days to be strong. I’m all for representation but why shame one body type while promoting another? Strengths come in many different forms. Faye proved that.", "Damn stylish, that's for sure.", "https://t.me/teenheaven", "https://t.me/teenheaven", "Okay I was with until the last part. The legacy of Cowboy Bebop is unaffected by the attempt at a live action version. DBZ survived, Death Note survived, Full Metal Alchemist Survived, The Last Airbender survived.....Cowboy Bebop will be fine.", "This is the best synopsis of Spike's character I've ever read. You nailed it! Kudos!", "Ha that's actually pretty damn accurate", "During action scenes, yea, and that's what this trailer mainly is so it's problematic. It seems John gets his nonchalant attitude outside of action/combat (outside of combat in the show he's not even much of smirker), but isn't cavalier enough during the action. Though he does smirk once just before fighting the large group of dudes in the trailer. Reading the comments here I think we all agree someone, somewhere didn't get his combat personality right. Not sure about the screen swipes, I do like a lot of the coloration and camera angles, though (wanted to end this on a positive not lol).", "I'm glad you mentioned the end bickering, when that happened I thought \"Now this feels like Cowboy Bebop!\". Other things I liked were the use of colors and camera angles.", "You're confusing the genres. This is going to be more fantasy than realistic. Picture Pai Mei from Kill Bill instead of Bad Grandpa kicking someone on the curb.", "Everyone in here forgetting how funny the show was. There was a ton of humor that they would balance with heavy moments. I think this show will do the same, they’re just hyping things up with action and humor first because a general audience isn’t going to know what those heavy beats are", "I quite enjoyed the Speed Racer movie. It was bright and colorful and hugely fun.\n\nAnd everybody loves the 1966 Batman TV show, which was based off of comics (though the motion picture was awful... bat-shark repellant?).", "Whomever thought that was an idiot. Both have super heroes. But totally different styles and shows. But maybe that is what happened", "At this point I'll take any show with fresh ideas, regardless of execution.", "I haven’t seen the source material but I was surprised by how good Alita Battle Angel was.", "Edward didn't show up until late in the run of the original show. Also, I could do without her.", "They’ve only shown the side of her that comes out because they’re fucking up a job, and that actually was relatively on point. Think of her when she’s done being sexy because someone is running away.\n\nThat said, I get a strong vibe that they are trying to change her femme fatale feeling.", "The problem is that for the most part Japanese acting is really really fucking bad", "Could be much better, but could be worse. I'll probably give it a watch at some point but the anime is #1.", "I just was curious how a character like her would be portrayed in live-action.\n\nApparently, the answer is \"not at all\".", "Yeah, that's why it won't look exactly alike. The flip was one of the parts that looked most like spike. And that's why it feels \"off\" because physics doesn't work like that. He still hit the pose and moved like Spike. \n\nLike no shit, dude.", "Ok Netflix, im resubing this November... Now that i just got free😅", "Have you heard about their godfather remake? Michael Corleone is a trans man with Marxist tendencies and the Corleone enforcers are all part of the gay mafia. Netflix of course", "This scene alone shows why this video feels off. Spike is smiling the entire time, I didn't see spikes actor smile once or even be amused.", "This feels like their trying to do it in the style of Edgar Wright but ends up being awkward and clunky instead of quick and quirky.", "Spike not cool enough, Jet not old enough, Faye completely wrong, I don't have high hopes for this.", "Man I wish those guys had super bowl money, they would have killed it", "It’s not the years it’s the mileage", "Yeah idk about the backflip. Not at all sure what that was about, for me it’s the feel of the fights and right now it just feels like they are leaning on hard camp rather than actually good technique in any way.", "This looks bad", "Maybe other people have different opinions than you? Have you ever thought of that? Good god man, you're even claiming that Netflix paid for upvotes on Reddit. Fucking sad so many gatekeeping cringey neckbeards like yourself are all over these threads.", "To market for the show? Is this even a serious question?", "While I absolutely agree. The Beginning and The final story threads directly relate to eachother.", "That's because of the fast cuts and always cutting away for the bigger manouvers, my guess is that there is liberal use of stunt doubles for some of that stuff, which is why we're not getting the \"long take\" treatment.\n\nOr it could be that there just wasn't a lot of time to do a good long-take for the fighrs so they're using a lot of comped shots and multiple takes.\n\nOr it could be the editing is basically trying to cut to Bebop style jazz and keep that frantic feeling", "hey... bosch is absolutely amazing", "I wouldn't say they mixed it up. But the 5th movie is based on Trust & Betrayal, while the 4th takes its plot from the Jinchu arc.", "This made me cringe.", "Sorry if my reply was a bit aggressive. My take is that the closest live action equivalent to Spike's style would be something like the drunken master series, and for some reason they decided that would be distracting tonally or visually since Spike isn't really that kind of character, which in my opinion would be a mistaken assumption.", "It's a trailer, not an episode. I highly doubt an entire episode will be that level of camp.", "So much complaining from everyone here! Yea it’s not perfect and you would have done it better. Blah blah blah. I’m a huge cowboy bebop fan and I’m simply happy it is adapted into another form. It’s not to be the exact same. I remember watching this show years ago and falling in love. Im very excited to see this new live action version, along with all the people who complained, you all will be watching too.", "I mean, the show was very very silly too. So it's not off the mark there. Camp does come off very differently irl than in an anime tho. I don't mind personally but I would be disappointed if they don't nail the emotional bests that make bebop so good.", "Yeah I can’t imagine writing live version Ed. I hope they’re 1:1, explain nothing, and are completely unapologetic.", "Idk man it felt kinda lazy. Coming from someone who isnt super invested in Cowboy Beebop either. So I'm trying to be unbiased, but the casting to me felt kinda weak.\n\nThats just my opinion though.", "There are plenty of things you can say about this trailer but lazy isn't one of them. They basically shot an entire mini episode for a teaser, that's clearly supposed to be fun and campy. People here seem to think they should have done a shindlers list but in space in less than 2 minutes. \n\nCharacters are breaking the 4th wall and walking through scenes like they have the space infinity stone. At one point Spike literally uses the 4th wall to beat the shit out of some thugs. I don't understand how this trailer has sailed over so many heads.", "What? Where did I personally attack anyone?", "Not only that, his face. It's really fucking hard to take him serious.", "yeah bond has always been a paragon of strong female writing", ">14 Book series on Amazon\n\nRIP", "Oh yeah I agree the editing was perfect, I think the casting just felt off. \n\nIdk John Cho as Spike didn't feel right to me.", "It was. It’s just the show came first then the manga following.", "Apparently the writers for Doom Patrol took a break to write some 2010 zingers for Bebop as well.", "Hope netflix doesnt f this one up like they did all the other live action movies based on animes", "You think that's the first time a fight scene with a bow staff was featured in a Hollywood movie. Cute. It's actually a homage to Bruce Lee. Which is also what inspired lots of fight scenes in the Matrix trilogy.", "Netflix doesn't make shows or movies. Or anything. They are simply digital distributors.", "Because Guardians of the Galaxy was popular and studios all imitated the humor while forgetting the serious character core. It's supposed to be a meld.", ">Spike already looks 50\n\nThat's because Cho is 50...\n\n>lets not make this Cowbey Bebop: The Retirement Era\n\nThey already did... They hired a 50yo Asian guy to play a 20yo white character named Spike Spiegel. \n\nAll I'm saying is that if keeping the ages and races consistent didn't matter (which it obviously didn't), then not casting Beau Billingslea was just stupid.", "Look up the English voice actor of Jet🙄", "Oh. Oh god. What have we done?", "In my experience it's a pride thing left over from high school. \"Ew, anime, I'm not one of those people\" and then they just keep up that attitude through adulthood, never once realizing that there's a huge variety of anime for every age group. They \"just don't like animation\" (having almost zero experience with it) because they think it's childish and are prideful that they are not a child.\n\nIt's all a bit silly.", "They just shouted Spike's name and \"bounty\" every now and then. I wouldn't really call this trailer acting.", "Why", "Ah awesome, I don’t think I’ve seen any Bruce lee movies. Which I feel must be a crime.. haha", "Please explain how they are not faithful representations and that your cosplay did better. It could help me understand your position.", "Yeah I posted another comment somewhere where I said I hope next week’s actual trailer is more of a sample of the show, and that they should have released that first and then this. Heck, this could have even come after the season.", "Actually it was dripping with irony but I forgot that room-temp IQ redditors need you to put an '/s' after a facetious post because they don't have the contextual faculties to look at my first comment in this thread", "I love John Cho, so I’m hoping things balance out in the actual show. It depends on the script and directing, because from experience we know he, as an actor, can flip between comedy and serious.", "Glad someone said this! The hyper focus on the age is real silly nitpick.", "Yeah I’m hoping this is mostly trailer editing that comic book style is pretty unique to the credits so we will have to see how much this feels like bebop when it releases. I see a lot of reasons it may be like it is but not so many good reasons.", "[\"Cowboy Bebop Opening Credits \| Anime Side-by-Side Comparison\" (1:20)](https://youtu.be/NbrUbpZqyag?t=80) \n\n\nThe fact Ed has been removed from the group here concerns me. And without Ed in this version, wouldn't you agree it's just not Bebop?", "I guess I can understand that. It was entertaining enough, but it was just the first Pokémon movie re-done with real people. It was cute, but on the bland side IMO", "Hey to be fair Spike was pretty bad ass twirling a push broom in the movie", "You're allowed to be wrong", "I love John Cho as well I just never was able to take him seriously. Even when hes trying to be serious I just don't buy it. I cant explain why either its just something about it doesn't feel genuine to me.\n\nI definitely wouldn't tell anyone to not see this because it very well may be a fun ass movie. Also isnt John a huge fan of Cowboy Bebop?", "It's very true. I think the only thing keeping it from \"greatness\" is the source material. It's really fun, but it lacks depth. That can't really be helped, and the Wachowskis were treading a fine line between no depth at all and putting too much weight into a kids' show. Overall, I think they towed that line masterfully, but it's no Shindler's List.", "From what I’ve read, yep, he’s a big fan.", "They aren't faithful representations. That's my point. You said that you could tell which character was which by looking at them. I pointed out that is a stupid way to determine the faithfulness of the characters.\n\nBoth myself and Netflix did a shitty job of representing the characters. Netflix casted an old and stiff man to play the young and smooth spike whereas I took a bunch of mushrooms and spent most of the night hiding from crab people.", "At the very least it should be very true to the source then so that alone would make it worth watching. \n\nI'm definitely going to give it a shot even if this trailer didnt sell the movie to me.", "That shit was ~~one of the~~ THE best live action adaptation\n\nFIFY", "That means, you may not be able to see your favorite Corncob TV shows, including Coffin Bebop.\n\nThey're saying Coffin Bebop's not a show. It just hour after hour of footage of coffins emanating jazz music at funerals.", "..... Ed was not part of the start of the story, why would she be here?\n\nIf they keep going with more seasons Ed will show up eventually.\n\nMy guess is they get to Ballad of the Fallen Angels and call it a season", "Spike was too grim. He's usually smirking during a fight with thugs.", "Wilson took the role of Cap in 2014. Miles Morales first started as Spiderman in 2011. 7 years ago and 10 years ago. Jett Black is voiced in the English dub by Beau Billingslea, a black VA. Your comment is incredibly short-sighted and inaccurate.", "Nice", "rurounin kenshin live action movies are actually good. Some of them have problems like a lot shots of kenshin just looking, but still good.", "I watched in the movies. It is bad outside of the action scenes. Which is a shame tbh because it had potential.", "Yeah I just mean sometimes film makers use an existing property more as a seed of inspiration. Like 21 jump street was a great movie that was very dissimilar to the source material. So maybe this could be good even if it's nothing like the original show. \n\nOn the flip side is something like the Watchmen, which was almost panel-for-panel the same as the comic (with a couple exceptions), and sucked.\n\nAs a disclaimer I have no real attachment to the cowboy bebop show and thought this trailer looked pretty interesting, so I was surprised by all the hate in this thread.", "Andre Holland from Moonlight (I still randomly think about this dude in my daily life, his performance was so magnetic)\n\nHenry Golding kicked ass in Snake Eyes even if the movie overall was a bit meh\n\nRoss Butler of 13 Reasons Why could also be excellent. He does subtle, ironic humor in a very Spike way.", "I'm getting a strange vibe from most of the top comments that they don't think the tone of the show looks right or the editing felt off. It's really strange because to me, this obviously 100% made like this as a stand alone over the top trailer. I absolutely with no doubt in my mind know, the show isn't going to be filmed constantly like this. The budget would be through the roof. It's a cinematographer nightmare. The acting is done purposely to keep up with the transitions and tiny story arc. It's done almost like a Toonami anime promo bump where they edit small skits together and form an over the top, filled with one liners slight story arc.\n\nI'm not saying the show is going to be good or bad, but a lot of you need to calm down because you're 100% wrong if you think the show is going to be filmed like this or the actors performing like this.\n\nThink of it as an anime promo bump. Remember those from the 90's? They looked just like this and you loved those shows.\n\nQuick Edit: I doubt any of this material or scenes will appear in the actual show.", "I mean why make it like this if it’s not representative of the show. This campy 1970s tribute thing. It feels like poor judgment.", "It's not a trailer. It's a teaser and it's pretty common to teasers have nothing to do with the actual show.", "Hmm, I don't think I've seen Warrior, I'll have to check that out.\n\nEdit: u/No_Slide_402 just watched a couple of scenes of his, they were great! Dial up the cockiness just a touch (Ah Sahm clearly is a bit cocky, but not quite as much as Spike presents while fighting) and that'd be pretty good.", "It's not a trailer. It's a teaser and it's pretty common to teasers have nothing to do with the actual show.", "\"Why you hit me with THE PHONE, DICK?!?!\"", "I legitimately just don't understand why you and others are so troubled over a teaser trailer. It's like people are desperate to hate the show. They probably just thought it would be a fun little project. The director (not the actual show's director) of this teaser wrote, shot, and edited it over a 3 day period. I also imagine it carries aspects of the show as well like the characters relationship with each other.\n\nIf this was shot-for-shot recreated in the original anime style and aired as a teaser on Toonami or something it would fit perfectly in the Cowboy Bebop universe and you would fucking love it. The anime was pretty campy and fun the majority of the series.", "I agree. I never even saw the ghost in the shell adaption, but there are so many alternate universes for that franchise anyway it couldn't hurt. SJ did an incredible job in Under The Skin which had similar themes to the original GITS movie and manga.\n\nSometimes I feel like The Mandalorian is a spiritual sibling of cowboy bebop.", "It’s possible the show was different things to different people. It’s definitely not campy to me, on the whole. This trailer is like a parody of a thing that is important to me personally. It doesn’t seem respectful of the spirit of the source material that made it meaningful to me.\n\nEven if it was just a fun project for someone to cut together, it’s tasteless to lead with this. It tells me the creators didn’t really understand what they were doing, and were just riffing on a few surface details that seemed cool.", "The casting of Speed Racer is just soooo on point. Goodman and Susan Sarandon are amazing, Roger Allam is the perfect corporate villain. The Wachowskis always pointed to anime and manga as their influences and this movie was absolutely their love letter to the form. It's a shame it didn't see the wider success we think it deserved", ">It’s possible the show was different things to different people. It’s definitely not campy to me, on the whole. This trailer is like a parody of a thing that is important to me personally. It doesn’t seem respectful of the spirit of the source material that made it meaningful to me.\n\nYou must be misremembering the series then. The majority of the series was definitely campy and goofy. Just about every scene with Ed was pure camp. The Bounty Hunter show, Jupiter Jazz etc. I think the teaser is perfectly fine in terms of keeping the show's spirit. It even hints at a more serious tone via Spike's flashback/vision with Vicious.\n\n>Even if it was just a fun project for someone to cut together, it’s tasteless to lead with this. It tells me the creators didn’t really understand what they were doing, and were just riffing on a few surface details that seemed cool.\n\nDifference of opinion then. The majority of people liked this teaser and I think it was done well. I think the creators perfectly understand the show, but we'll see with the trailer coming out next week. Like I said, if this was remade shot-for-shot in the original anime style everyone here would be lapping it up.", "They didn't though... The guy does acrobatics frequently in fights.", "I sort of have two memories of the series. Watching it as a teenager it was a fun cool thing in space. Watching it as an adult, it’s a maudlin tragedy with a few fun moments. I’m not averse to a fun space bounty hunting show, I just am afraid that’s all this will be.", "It is entirely possible that different trailers can convey different themes in a show. There's been many teasers and trailers for other media that are made to show different things. I don't see the point of thinking the entire show is going to be exactly like this teaser.", "Technically looks impressive, that say it is still a Hard Pass", "It’s because it seems like poor judgment to intentionally come up with a tonally wrong trailer as the first trailer. It’s wither poor judgment that implies a lack of respect for the core fan base, or the show is actually like this and the trailer is an accurate representation. Even if this is just a trailer, the fact that someone thought this was a good first impression trailer suggest a wild misunderstanding of the source material.", "Oh sick, I bet Luca Brassi gang bangs Moe Green to death!", "I just looked it up, he's almost 50... I think that's pretty close to twice Spike's age :-/", "The teaser isn't tonally wrong though. They nail the character dynamics between the three, right down to Spike bickering about wanting to eat good food (in the anime, Spike constantly complains about Jet's cooking) and the three bickering about bounties and accusing each other of shooting the bounty in the face.\n\nI strongly suggest you rewatch the original series. Whenever I think about Cowboy Bebop, I think of the fun dynamics between the 3 (4, they are keeping quiet on Ed's appearance) main cast members. It comes out on Netflix tomorrow I believe.", "Here's a great example of how animated Spike's fighting style could absolutely still translate to live action: [Jackie Chan Drunken Boxing scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OBuMA2qEk)\n\nNot the same discipline of martial arts of course, but the same general vibe is there. He has a very fluid, weaving way of moving, like a cloth blowing in the wind. His opponents get frustrated and waste energy and moves trying to hit him but he doesn't even dodge their attacks, he just falls out of the way. He makes unexpected and unorthodox moves and uses misdirection, frequently catching his opponents by surprise. And the whole scene still feels like a serious fight where people really are getting hurt, despite having a very slapstick tone.", "I think you have me mistaken for the original person from this thread, that's /u/jampyre. I just joined in because people need to chill out and play nice.\n\nThe OP said people in here are gatekeeping, and someone called him a moron for saying gatekeeping. OP can be right or wrong, but coming in calling strangers morons because you don't agree is just silly.\n\nAnd Gatekeeping isn't a personal attack, it's a verb it's like saying someone is running, \"moron\" _is_ a personal attack. OP isn't mad at people being negative, their comment is about the downvotes and pushback people are getting for saying positive things about the trailer when this thread was newer.", "Insightful commentary from BretTheShitmanFart69 that I will take seriously.", "Yeah a lot of the show is them being bored, poor and hungry - and coming up with ways to get rich quick. The idea that they're a crimefighting team (based on this trailer) seems out of place. A lot of Bebop is defined by the banality of life - watching TV, filling up gas in the tank, getting something to eat, smoking a cigarette.", "I watched it about a month ago. Jet works for me here. Faye almost works. Spike seems utterly wrong to me. He is a guy who grins and doesn’t care too much about things, because he somewhat wants to die. He’s too wooden here, I just don’t see it at all. He’s just like a generic action hero.", "Write your own comment then!", "That is one of the most epic movie series, and far beyond what any anime adaptation has reached from what I've seen", "The same people coming out of the wood work are the same ones that defend Star Wars to this day because \"lightsabers\", \"death star\", and \"the force\".\n\nSome people get a whiff of nostalgia (WOW IT'S TANK PLAYING! AND SPIKE IS FIGHTING A GROUP OF GUYS ON HIS OWN!) and any objective concerns about tone, casting, pacing based off of the thing that's supposed to get you excited is out the window.\n\nJust wait for the plastic figurines of the Swordfish and Bebop, or Funko Pop Dolls of the crew, Vicious and Julia to hit the shelves - folks won't be able to help themselves but to fanboy and empty their pockets.", "My eyes! It...it...burns! Cast this vile creature back into the depths of hell.", "They had shots in the opening credits of him. Maybe it's a red herring, but I believe he will be incorporated.", "\"spike puts as little effort into his fights as possible\" \nqueue video of him flourishing with a broom.", "I mean, it brought me into it. I had NO desire to watch the series until I watched the Netflix adaptation. \n\nSo, take that as you may.", "Yea, I mean they have a whole episode where they're all tripping on shrooms. Doesn't seem too L.A. Noir to me.", "Oh! I must have missed it.", "Link?", "Faye was sensitive and just as cool as Spike in the anime. She’s not even remotely similar to her anime counterpart.", "I am pretty sure that is the completely wrong way of going into negotiations for such a massive budget project.", "In what way?", "At least they'll never touch Trigun.", "Lol its close to Kenny. Starts with a Ke.... after years I gave up. Like getting him to watch The Clone Wars so he had some background for Mandalorian was next to impossible. He’d zone after three minutes. And he’d be so into Gotham and Flash and exp ct me to be just as impressed. Yeah, I never told him I thought Gotham was terrible. His opinion is its the best Batman continuity LOL. I dunno. I love animation. I wanted to be in the business for a while but decided to keep it a hobby. Last hobby I turned into a job burned me out of it.", "It's pretty obvious that outside of a few directors, no one knows how to shoot action scenes. Shit on Snyder all you want, but this is a craft that he's actually good at and that others should learn from him", "Has nothing to do with where they're specifically from because it's not China pushing for it. It's movie studios thinking they can capture Chinese audiences by shoving references to China and Asian actors into the films whenever possible, and THEY do not give a shit where the person is from - like where a character is almost certainly Jewish, but they used a Korean actor instead. Maybe think for two seconds before you decide something is just out and out racism.", "😱 That is definitely a crime!", "Yeah I already replied to the other person explaining this but if it makes you feel like you earned some imaginary internet points calling out racism over Hollywood scheming, knock yourself out.", "It's basically a more specific version of the word corny. It's like all of the disgusting trite comedy of the mid 2010s. The gross part is that people still like it", "Has Netflix not seen the meme about their anime live action adaptations? Man I hope this doesn't suck as bad as death note, low expectations going into this", "Not animated though", "Moribito Guardian of the Spirit on Amazon Prime was awesome. The actress who plays Balsa nails it.", "I love this movie, but there is a solid 30 minutes that is one of the most boring parts of a movie I've ever watched. They make the race scene perfect though.", "He aint wrong, technically.", "Obviously they're making it to draw more people to watch the show, but if you think anime watchers are a \"small audience\" you're mistaken. Haters gonna hate I guess.\n\n\\*is to are lol", "Spike should have been Keanu Reeves", "I'm personally feeling a strong Tarantino vibe", "It's \"Peaky Blinders\" with Martial Arts, you won't be disappointed!", "This feels like a parody. I hope John Cho is better in the actual show.", "I'm already hating it.", "Here's how I sum it up..... It looks like trash. Jesus people, get some taste.", "Name one time turning an anime into live action turned out better than the original. \n\nHonestly, I'm sure there has to be one, but I don't know it.", "Holy hell this is bad.", "Have you seen The Beginning? Hitokiri Battōsai with a sharp sword was fucking brutal.", "> I've never seen Kenshin/Samurai X, but just looking at the trailer makes me feel much more grounded. It's a little wuxia, but not fantasy wuxia like Crouching Tiger. Right from the start, it makes me feel like something I could watch and enjoy the choreography, better yet it feels like something where the choreography is believable as the character's natural action.\n\nAs Freddiew has commented above, the choreo is done by Kenji Tanigaki who is a lifelong collaborator with Donnie Yen. The aptly named Dragon (2011, titled Wu Xia in Mandarin) is precisely what I would consider a more grounded wuxia.", "\"cheugy\"", "Nah, 50% Adam West’s Batman. Smh I really hope the show is better. P.S. (V) (;,,;) (V) \n\nEdit: The music is like Austin Power’s, but something makes me think Batman. Maybe the sound effects? Maybe that Austin Powers is funny? Maybe that this tries to be funny, but feels too forced and makes me cringe?", "The japanese death note movies were good.", "https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qd66e8/china_wipes_boston_celtics_from_nba_broadcasts/hhkpyli/\n\n\nIt’s an alt that goes by many other usernames all which post almost exclusively about China though often deletes his comments later:\n\ndicboopps \n\nPeaceLandAndHead\n\nFrenchelbows\n\ncanarysplits\n\nruelleraa (My username is based on his alt)\n\nHis main account is. 5yr old account that was purchased 5 months ago and started posting only pro China or anti west/India comments since then: Quietminority", "\"My fighting style is about relaxing my whole body\"", "Did you see the season where they're in the mountain? Thought he did a really good job that season acting/action wise. I think he looks the part. Here's a few shots I think are on point but just my opinion.\n\nhttps://m.imdb.com/name/nm2366079/mediaviewer/rm2836124673/\n\nhttps://www.imdb.com/media/rm2267516672/nm2366079/", "Faye was giving me 'Bulma from Dragon Ball Evolution' vibes.", "Incredible outside of the casting...nothing against those actors but come on...\n\nThis isn't remotely what Yatate had in mind it just feels weird. Uggh this really blows because it's so damn close...", "https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qd66e8/china_wipes_boston_celtics_from_nba_broadcasts/hhkpyli/\n\n\nIt’s an alt that goes by many other usernames all which post almost exclusively about China though often deletes his comments later:\n\ndicboopps \n\nPeaceLandAndHead\n\nFrenchelbows\n\ncanarysplits\n\nruelleraa (My username is based on his alt)\n\nHis main account is. 5yr old account that was purchased 5 months ago and started posting only pro China or anti west/India comments since then: Quietminority", "She literally says \"dipstick\" and \"nutbuckets.\" All she did throughout this entire trailer was crank out zany one-liners. C'mon y'all, use your brains a little before downvoting something. She's nothing like the Faye people love.", "This looks pretty damn amazing", "I think alitavlive action really good", "I’m disappointed he’s not sporting his Jericho 941\n\n\nSee y’a later space cowboy", "The lighting feels off. They shoulda got one of them A24 cinematographers to make it feel a little gritty but beautiful", "John Cho looks 40, brody looks 50-60. Both way too old to play spike", "So cringy, this us giving me second hand embarrassment.", ".......fuck the music is so good", "What is the song when Spike shows up with the bo staff?", "https://youtu.be/EkEL72AbEWU" ]	3,614	videos	Cowboy Bebop \| Official Teaser “Lost Session”
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbb8vo/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbb8vo/deleted_by_user/	[ "I love elon musk", "he literally told so many times that he couldnt do anything without his employers. he is also really involved in tesla and spaceX. he understands the challenges and is encouraging. \npeoples biggest mistake is comparing Elon Musk to other ‘billionaires’ when he is ludicrously rarer and far more valuable to humanity. you really think NASA would go spend their money to check if mars is valuable enough to send people to and try to see if its close enough to earth so we can go there in the future? \n\n\nhe is actually trying to change the world. and its so much easier to just randomly shit on the bad aspects that he does than seeing this man is trying to change the world. \n\n\nyeah i do believe he is getting subsidized. but the man needed to choose between going bankrupt or dropping one of his companies and still he made it work. \n\n\nbut if one needs to thank his employers out in the world at every interview for helping him with his ideas its gonna take a long time. and honestly the chance that any boss doing that is slim to nihil.\n\nMusk is the face, the show and the story. That doesn’t mean the others are neglected or unappreciated.", "Wow you have an unhealthy obsession", "Nah. We were all ready doing a spectacular job of destroying the planet before he got here.", "Good thing there’s no corruption there /s", "Your comment is incredibly misled and saddening. You've chosen to buy into Musk's greatest invention of them all: himself.\n\nYou have chosen to cheerlead for a selfish marketer. \"Actually trying to change the world\"... Give me a break. He could actually try to help this world, rather than fucking off to Mars.", ">and its so much easier to just randomly shit on the bad aspects that he does than seeing this man is trying to change the world. \n\nReally? Do you think it is MORE difficult to BLINDLY believe a salesman pitch? You choose to believe someone on its word. I prefer actions, thank you. And Musk's actions aren't exactly favorable for him.", "I was looking for honest criticism opposing the operations at Boca Chica. Less than 1/3 into the video they start comparing apples to oranges, then building on those invalid comparisons making the later claims even more inaccurate. One example of this is they're taking the noise level produced measurement inside the Falcon 9 fairing and comparing it to the outside sound measurement at the base of the Saturn V, but presenting those as equal measurements. It continues to go off the rails there. They inflate their sound level claims. \n\nThey try to build the argument that space launch is incompatible with nature preserves. The authors may be interested in this quote about the most busy space launch location in the USA:\n\n\"This is because Kennedy Space Center sits in the middle of the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge adjacent to Canaveral National Seashore, one of the largest and most diverse wildlife preserves in Florida. In fact, the refuge supports one of the highest numbers of threatened and endangered species anywhere in the nation.\"\n\n[source](https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/07/the-wild-side-of-kennedy-space-center)", "> Now it's a testing ground for unproven rockets. \n\nEvery rocket is unproven until it launches. Kennedy/Cape Canaveral has launched nearly every rocket the US has ever flown \"unproven\" including Saturn V, Space Shuttle, Falcon 9, Delta IV Heavy, as well as many others. All of this was done in one of the largest nature preserves in the USA. \n\n>It was never approved for that. SpaceX are literally building launch pads on the border of their property where as Kennedy had a well thoughout and planned layout with the enviroment taken into consideration.\n\n\nThen the author needs to speak to that with data, not making up exploding eardrum claims from apples to oranges comparison. There MAY BE a valid argument, but I'm not hearing it backed by data.\n\n> SpaceX failed to do any sort of careful planning while taking the enviroment into consideration. \n\nThe Environmental Assessment submitted to the FAA 2014 proves your statement objectively false. \n\n>I seriously don't understand why redditors can't see these things and are blind when it comes to Musks fallacies.\n\nI can't speak for all redditors, but your claims aren't backed by documented facts. I'm honestly looking for them, but like this video its inflation and conjecture, not facts. Even your post here is contradicted by government documents. Why should I put any weight in your arguments when I can find the docs on government websites that contradict you?", "> The 2014 environmental assessment didn't include everything \n\nSo you've shifted from \"SpaceX failed to do any sort of careful planning\" to \"didn't include everything SpaceX built\"\n\nDo you see why I have trouble with your arguments?\n\n>Musk claimed he would be only launching proven engines (engine designs that has been tried and tested)\n\nAll Raptors are test fired at McGregor TX prior to firing at Boca Chica.", "> Raptor engines aren't orbit proven and DO NOT have the safety and success rates of Merlin engines. \n\nWhat bizzare metric! Falcon 9 is the most flown rocket in US history at 129 times with 10 Merlins on each rocket! NOTHING will have the flight history of Merlin.\n\nyour \"Unproven\" definition also applies:\n\n* RS-25 on Shuttle\n* RS-68 on Delta IV\n* RD-180 on Atlas V\n\nThese are all NASA or DoD rockets that all flew \"unproven\" by your definition.\n\n\nFor that matter, look at the AJ-26 (aka NK-33) engine which blew up right above the launchpad at Wallops causing a full pad rebuild. All of this is right next to the [Wallops Island National Wildlife Refuge](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wallops+Island+-+Launch+Pad+0-A/@37.8659889,-75.4718506,8127m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b964820fc53125:0xc1d675f83c77c78!8m2!3d37.8339343!4d-75.4877606)\n\nYou seem to be holding SpaceX to an environmental standard that exists no where in spaceflight anywhere in the USA. NASA doesn't do that nor does the DoD, but somehow SpaceX has to be held to a higher standard? Thats disingenuous. \n\n\n>At 19:00 minutes, he talks about the Cape Canaveral nature preserves.\n\nI'm not bothering with that youtuber anymore. 8 minutes into the first video I watched I lost faith they are reporting anything accurately when they inflated their numbers and did apples to oranges comparisons.", "You think Texas will give a flying fuck? Sad, but Crazy Elon will get whatever he wants." ]	14	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05bH8_8XfNA	/r/videos/comments/qbcb72/brazilian_navy_tall_ship_cisne_branco_collided/	[ "I'm sorry to report that we don't fit under the bridge, captain.", "https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion", "Wait, what?\n\nEdit: Yeah, now I get it.", "It wasn't touching it. There was a strong current. But the big tug should have been pushing on the starboard side.", "Not sure. Maybe the wind kicked up too fast. Maybe the ship unexpectedly lost power (assuming it had an engine). Maybe it unexpectedly broke free of its moorings. I'm guessing this was some kind of emergency situation, and people were scrambling to save the ship. Either way, it needed that big tug to starboard.", "lmao at the dude who immediately goes into a rant against a politician (im assuming)", "he straight up bailed last second haha", "Man that tugboat got the fuck outta dodge in a hurry", "Ngl was ready for that ship to flip but the vid ends" ]	10	videos	Brazilian Navy tall ship CISNE BRANCO collided with bridge Oct 18 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r48ehdTqNs	/r/videos/comments/qbcf0k/sometimes_you_get_lucky_old_faithful_and_a_posing/	[ "Well, it's a male!", "Nothing is more beautiful than what can be found in nature", "Is this Yellow Stone?" ]	4	videos	Sometimes you get lucky! Old faithful and a posing Bison.
https://youtu.be/vqnLfcI340A	/r/videos/comments/qbcvn4/how_did_squid_game_manage_to_captivate_the_world/	[ "Idk it's kinda cringe", "squid game", "What part was the cringiest?", "If you saw the Korean gameshow \"The Genius\", it slightly ruins Squid Game. It's the family-friendly version (a bunch of \"celebrities\" given a game with a set time limit and explicit rules - and there's always some trick to defeating it and getting the money).\n\nOf course, it doesn't have the Battle Royal / Hunger Games aspect to it.", "I really don't get the appeal, it had too much of a 'cringey edge lord' vibe.\n\nLike a really poorly written episode of black mirror, stretched over too many episodes.", "The scenes where they play the games are really intense, edge of seat stuff. But the drama was weak and some of the plot twists left me scratching my head at where they were going with them.", "Hot take- \n\nThe middle class is disappearing the world over. Adults cannot retire and younger people are buried in overwhelming debt. \n\nPeople are capitulated because they are measuring themselves up against the show.", "Step 1: Pandemic", "Yeah, we watched the whole first episode but weren't really interested in watching any more than that.\n\nThis might be weird, but I think they should have given them at least a little bit of Korean accent in their dubbed voices. Having it be totally American accent/dialect constantly took me out of the story.", "didnt watch this video, because I already know the answer. I have watched everything on netflix long ago by now. Now I just wait for new things to show up on there, and I watch those too. If I had just got netflix today for the first time ever I would have a ton of stuff to watch. Instead I am all caught up and just waiting for the next tolerable thing to watch, like squid game. Thats why I watched it. Naturally I would not pick that to watch first out of everything on there. There are a lot of people like me out there who watched it and since there is not much else to talk about, it is going to be the word of mouth suggestion to suggest or discuss, which propels its popularity", "This! Black Mirror but by C-list writers.", "Lose the dub. Watch with subtitles.", "Simple concept, striking execution (no pun intended)", "Didn't really live up to its early promise. The red light green light episode is by far the best then it outstays its welcome. \n\nIt's basically a worse Battle Royale with amped up and confused social commentary.", "Definitely the VIPs. They were caricatures.\n\nPlot twists and ending were just bad, though.", "I'm not sure", "Oh for sureee, I saw a video about American actors in Korea and how they’re always so bad haha. I guess that’s a thing that happens.", "Totally", "What a well thought out and convincing point you make. Thanks so much for contributing to a dynamic and inspiring discussion.", "I don't get it. It seems people really like to watch people be murdered.", "Because people watch formula crap so when people see something outside the box they are interested. \n\nBut squid games is drastically overrated. The writing was exceptionally sub par. The premise isnt original. It was insanely predictable throughout. There were weird holes in the storyline that didn't even need to exist in the first place. \n\nThen to top it all off they end it in a way to make more. The king of the genre Battle Royale even tried making a second movie and it fell flat. Can't imagine how bad Squid games season 2 will be", "holy shit, i alwas thought it would be impossible to be even close to watching everything netflix flings at us...\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThat said: why don't you rotate / switch streaming services to get new/different stuff?", "I enjoyed Squid Game as much as the next person, but anyone who describes it as \" one of the most insane pieces of Korean cinema I've seen in a very, very long time\" just sounds like someone who hasn't seen any Korean cinema.\n\nThere are tons of extremely dark films in Korean cinema.\n\nThe three main films he references: Oldboy, Parasite, and Snowpiercer are respectively the most iconic Korean film of all time basically any film buff worth their salt has seen, a recent extremely high profile movie, and an English language adaptation of a French graphic novel.\n\nNot a real representation of Korean cinema as a whole.", "Exactly. I don't understand why SG is do lauded. I watched it, I enjoyed it, but I don't think it was some super special show that will last for ages.", "Also the story wasn't very interesting now that the premise is established, so I don't think that's gonna do it. Thanks though.", "It sounds like you didn’t watch the video at all. The whole thing is about comparing it to contemporary Korean cinema.", "Which he barely achieves in the most shallow, surface manner.\n\nOldboy at its heart isn't about a rich man who wants to play games with some random poor guy. It has nothing to do with commentary on socio-economics. It's a story about vengeance.\n\nSnowpiercer is actually much more similar to Squid Game, but that's not even fucking Korean.\n\nParasite is similar in tone and theme but the message of the movie is the more concerned with what poor people will do to get money, not how the rich people manipulate them for their enterainment.\n\nTrain to Busan is a goddamn zombie movie.", "It’s not all that lauded. It’s just popular.", "Idk some YouTube ads use this girl as some reference for there bad mobile game then it becomes cringe" ]	29	videos	How did Squid Game manage to captivate the world?
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbczmx/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbczmx/deleted_by_user/	[ "So now you only drink professionally?", "lol I was trying to clarify that I was not what most would call an alcoholic. Maybe bad wording choice : )", "https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion" ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbd0je/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbd0je/deleted_by_user/	[ "Hey, this person might be trans. Let's punch them in the face and try to rip their hair out!\n\nr/agedlikemilk", "Or, you know, he thought it was someone undercover that might want to kill him, like happens many other times in the trilogy.", "It's a comedy. Somehow you're overthinking this more than I am", "Yeah, more ageist than anything", "It's literally a callback to an earlier scene in the movie where a male assassin is disguised as a woman - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCD8nfu1bSI", "is that your honest takeaway from this clip? have you ever watched an austin powers movie?\n\ntry to understand context before taking immediate umbrage.. like you said, it's a comedy. this clip has nothing to do with trans people. lighten up", "Do you believe it's possible at all to joke about genders, looks and clothing? Or would joking about it automatically make it offensive? Genuine question.", "I always feel bad for the actors that have to watch the movie and hear the other actors talking about their appearance in that way. Seems unnecessary.\n\nPrimary reason I hated dumb and dumber 2. Aside from the fact it was dumb.", "Absolutely! I don't have a problem with jokes like that on principle.\n\nIMO, this particular scene is overplayed. See: Ace Ventura, etc. It's pretty annoying that for a long time, this was the only way trans characters were shown. It was just a given that if there's a trans character, they get assaulted and/or humiliated. (Not that this character is trans, but it's implied they might be.)\n\nFor a more recent example: Lovecraft Country. >!There's a trans character who is introduced stark naked, punched in the face, and murdered within minutes. That's their entire appearance.!<", "im sure she was fine with it otherwise she would never have done it.\n\nlol", "Do you get the context in this movie why Austin did what he did?\n \nOr do you believe he was being transphobic? If that is the case, why?", "You'll be pleased to learn/rehear that Buzz's girlfriend (woof) in Home Alone was just another boy in a wig. The director didn't want any girls to be used as the butt of a joke.\n\n>\"[They] decided it would be unkind to put a girl in that role of just being funny-looking. The art director had a son who was more than willing to volunteer for the part.", "Honestly, I haven't seen this movie since it was new. Another poster pointed out the context though.\n\nIs Austin being transphobic here? Not really. However, it is basically \"Man in a dress, freak out!\" Which is another common trope I'm just tired of.\n\nAs a one-off any of this would be just meh. It's the repetition in so, so much media that makes it a problem.\n\nIf you're still curious, I would recommend the documentary \"Disclosure\". It gets onto how this stuff affects the way trans people are seen, and how we see ourselves.", "Are you trying to say trans women are just men in dresses? That's unacceptable in my opinion", ">Honestly, I haven't seen this movie since it was new. Another poster pointed out the context though.\n>\n>Is Austin being transphobic here? Not really. However, it is basically \"Man in a dress, freak out!\" Which is another common trope I'm just tired of.\n \nSo you don't get the context at all?\n \nDo you think context and intention matters? \n \nIn your first comment you specifically state the issue is that the person might be trans and that is not up to\" today's standards\" (agedlikemilk). \n \nSo you make the issue about trans (when the whole thing isn't about trans at all) yet you don't think he was transphobic. \n \nI don't really get what you are trying to say.", "Not to be outdone, the Simpsons version of it\n\nhttps://youtu.be/2oLNX3s8cWk\n\nNot sure who did the joke first.", "Thats cool, anyone have a link or whatever to that scene?", "The actors are fine. Their self-esteem isn’t as bad as yours.", "The Simpsons season 8 episode 13 aired on Feb 7, 1997. Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery released on Nov 20, 1997. \n\nThe Simpsons did it first, as per usual!", "Huh, I always thought the joke inside the joke here was that Basil's mom is completely average looking and Austin is just so out of whack when it comes to women sometimes. Then again, maybe I'm looking at it through rose colored glasses.", "Probably more at the same time. It's unlikely that Austin powers was filmed between February and November that year. It probably was filmed principally in 96. Time from writing to release is wildly different for a tv show versus a movie.", "\"I'm wrong and know it but I'm going to keep pretending in right under the guise of being woke.\"\n\n-you right now", "Have you ever met actors? You're being wrong", "No I'm sure you're right. But it still must hurt to be called mannish so intently and frankly unnecessarily." ]	27	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbd0rn/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbd0rn/deleted_by_user/	[ "CLAUSTERPHOBIA", "I spelled Claustrophobia wrong but don't let my bad spelling ruin a good story. sorry :(", "I AIN'T 'FRAID OF NO CLAUSTER", "I deserve this.", "You really don't but hey, it's the internet" ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/hnVPUK-8P0M	/r/videos/comments/qbddrt/the_mummy_returns_noooooo/	[ "It's like the director literally told him to just come in from stage left and do the thing.", "Lol, love it!", "That’s the least stupid thing in this scene lol", "It's a testament to how wacky the whole franchise became.", "I miss this movie.", "You can mock this movie all you want", "and I shall!", "Its the Egyptian \"What are those\"", "Me too?", "Do your worst.", "Shortly after The Mummy Returns came out i was up in my mom's attic and dust got in my mouth. I blurted out \"It's like i ate out a mummy!\" My mom laughed pretty hard at that. That's the only good memory of that movie i have.", "Just watch it again lol" ]	13	videos	The Mummy Returns: NOOOOOO
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbdqrv/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbdqrv/deleted_by_user/	[ "Awesome!", "Best", "Awesome recovery", "fucking legend", "I mean...he's improved an incredible amount, but he still doesn't look fit", "You can do anything if you have a Asian lady yelling at you and beating you with a stick.", "Probably sporting 25+ pounds of excess skin. Hard to 'look fit' with that.", "Jumping at that weight is super dangerous.", "That was awesome." ]	10	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CNt_v82sMc	/r/videos/comments/qbdtcv/compilation_of_a_man_burping_extremely_loudly_at/	[ "Man?", "Communing with nature, building bridges between species.", "Okay.. the cows thing was cute, but doing it to draw the attention of a whole ass family if rhinos? This video could have been much shorter.", "I was entertained enough to laugh. Admirable clap.", "The hero we all need." ]	6	videos	Compilation of a man burping extremely loudly at animals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbdu8p/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbdu8p/deleted_by_user/	[ "I don't think anyone really cares about saving the cum. This might do better on a right wing subreddit.", "I'm young and right now I don't ever want to have children but maybe I might want to have children in the future. I thought that some people think the same way. I found the vid to be very informative so I shared it here.", "I feel like this is playing on insecurities around masculinity to get clicks.\n\nBertrand Russell noted in the 1950s that populations are better off stabilising in line with food availability and will do so when education is available. BPA, Teflon, PFAS proliferation and endocrine disruption is a problem, but the path the video takes to get there is dumb.", "This has the aesthetics of a scam of some kind. Is she selling a book?" ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=K26z0Z9tzH4&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qbdvgc/how_can_she_slap/	[ "I respect that guy for slapping her back.", "Why is he going for the gooch though…weird video but I would have slapped her ass too! Good for him!", "They wanna get show, they got it)", "This is from an indian reality tv show called [Dadagiri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadagiri).\n\n>Actors and hosts are supposed to bully one another,\\[1\\] but violence was never agreed upon. In one episode in 2008, \"Esha, the Goddess\" (Esha Bhaskar) slapped a contestant named Ravi Bhatia in an unscripted physical attack. He immediately slapped her back.\\[3\\] The incident resulted in the male host (Akash Beri) and some crew members physically assaulting Bhatia\\[4\\] while he repeatedly asked \"How can she slap?\" with the crew appearing to be slow in breaking them up.Threats of violence were later made against Bhatia's sister andmother by the host Akash Beri and crew. A video of the incident wasleaked and widely shown on Indian television.\\[5\\] The video also went viral on the Internet.\\[6\\] Bhatia subsequently sent a legal notice to the producers and asked for a public apology.\n\nThe last time this was posted, some comment said, he is now a successful actor while she completely disappeared from the industry.", "[Dadagiri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadagiri) \n \n >Dadagiri is an Indian reality show that premiered on Bindass in 2008.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Ah yes. Not the equality you wanted, but, the equality you deserve.", "lol, imagine beating someone up for hitting a woman and then threatening that person's female relatives\n\nthe cognitive dissonance is real" ]	8	videos	How Can She Slap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwVZ-2WuJo4	/r/videos/comments/qbdxfs/planet_dune/	[ "So this is one of those movies created to capitalize on the hype of a big budget movie but confuse the audience member into attending this film instead, correct?", "Just what the world needs. ANOTHER Asylum knock-off…\n\nCringe level: High…", "Yes absolutely it is.", "Yes but it has Sean Young in it! She played Chani in the 1984 version (and also was the android love interest in the original Bladerunner). I look forward to watching this and all the other B movie spin offs from the new movie.", "LUL", "With Sean Young you don't know if this is yet another middle finger to Hollywood or is she in on the joke.. cause it is funny as hell that she would be both in the knockoff and the original. She is not the most predictable person so each option is about equally probable, and it can also be both of them, at the same time." ]	7	videos	Planet Dune,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZT-1h-SC4M	/r/videos/comments/qbdz1x/peak_will_poulter/	[ "I like him, but I can't believe he's going to be Adam Warlock. A very strange choice.", "I hope it's not his peak, he's only 28!\n\nFunny though. Didn't know he was British", "Have you seen him lately? Dude got the Neville Longbottom treatment. Suprisingly he's 6'3\n\n[1](https://www.tiktok.com/@poojawhatisthisbehaviorx/video/7018932351774248219?sender_device=pc&sender_web_id=6897697346357118470&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0)\n\n[2](https://www.tiktok.com/@willsluhvr/video/7018576056554671365?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1)\n\n\n[3](https://www.tiktok.com/@courfeyrockthisjoint/video/7019233092116286722)\n\n\n[4](https://images.complex.com/complex/images/c_fill,dpr_auto,f_auto,q_auto,w_1400/fl_lossy,pg_1/ogjo9ygvdpo3re8dxz8w/will-poulter?fimg-ssr-default)\n\n\n[5](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/thumbnail_image001-6-e1633986392503.jpeg?w=681&h=383&crop=1)", "It’s rare to see people being tall without looking dangly. He looks very proportionate, and stocky, like he was a 5.11 tall guy blown up by a growth ray.", "I think he's had some work done. His nose and jaw look different, and not an aging thing. I could be wrong. Honestly I wouldn't care, he definitely looks improved and these images have kind of changed my mind about him playing Adam Warlock. \n\nHe looks like he was put in the Captain America chamber.", "> I think he's had some work done. His nose and jaw look different, and not an aging thing\n\nHe probably just hit the gym. Look at Kumail's chin before and after. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/36uYxxuEx-Q/maxresdefault.jpg.\n\nI'm not bringing PED's into this just saying working out makes a huge difference.", "😂😂Classic English", "I don’t know what this was, but it was really funny!", "School of Comedy was top tier", "Wait, this guy is 28?", "Wait, you guys are getting paid?", "He is now. This was about 10 years ago. Still doesn't even look 18 in this video though.", "Looks 14, both of em.", "This was from a sketch show he was on called School of Comedy, which was a sketch show starring kids/teens. Based on a stage show where the cast was entirely from an after-school drama club, but they got themselves a tv show. \n\nHe'd be, like, 16 here or something.", "He looks the same. He has the same features just older/more defined.", "The reverse-driving config threw me off, thought he was driver seat. obv not in UK. Still never knew he was acting so young!", "Lol nice", "What the fuck, eyebrow guy?? Had no idea he was British", "do a google search for \"eyebrow kid\"", "14? That one looks way younger.", "He looks like a tall baby.", "He's such a good actor in both drama and comedy. Bill Skarsgard did a great job as Pennywise but do wonder how Poulter would've done it since he was cast originally.", "Damn what did this Will Poulter recently do to make everyones dick so hard? never seen so many posts about this guy on reddit except for the ''you guys are getting---'' memes", "Holy what happened. He didnt even look tall in the Black Mirror movie.", "They can replace Damian Lewis with this guy on Billions and probably not miss a beat. I thought Narnia was peak, not this \"rubbish\".", "he became Shooter McGavin" ]	28	videos	Peak Will Poulter
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbe7yr/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbe7yr/deleted_by_user/	[ "If you like this version then I'm sure you'd like this cover of it from last year by the Bass vocalist from VoicePlay, Geoff Castellucci.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rrg0ksSQdw", "I like that this video features Gaston's American colonist brother.", "its a little below average. sorry.", "Frickin’ sweet they had a guest appearance from Anton Ego of Ratatouille at the 42 second mark!", "We watch this every Halloween season, at least twice. And we all know the song. It's so great.", "Cinderella in the flesh too", "He also starred as the psych warden in Beauty and the Beast.", "My brain is broken, I read Bill Cosby.", "The movie in general is one of Disney's underrated. There is a bunch of slapstick in there that's on par with Looney Tunes at its best. And I say that as someone who hates the Legend of Sleepy Hollow story.", "Thanks just added to my halloween playlist!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbW3dy3R0FcFpXaY-1EV7bjKQsjFuXpDM", "Glad I'm not the only one", "I am in fact watching this on VHS right now. That song scared the shit out of me as a kid.", "Have you heard Kay Starr’s version? I just discovered it this year. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UUm6duVb_Wg", "Old Disney deliberately reused a lot of shit to save money.", "Wow they really come for her", "Disney in this era really should have done a straight animated horror movie at some point.\n\nThis, Pinocchio, Night on Bald Mountain, they could have pulled it off.\n\nImagine a 1940s Disney's Dracula.", "You say that like it's a bad thing. Like wearing the same outfit twice is GHASTLY", "Holy shit yes. This song used to be in my head constantly when I was a kid.", "That is so much better than I remember it." ]	21	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMfUYIM_nU	/r/videos/comments/qbf69x/i_live_in_thailand_and_decided_to_install_a_live/	[ "kind of weird watching people on the beach.", "Looks incredibly well lit for the middle of the night", "Yeah this is an incredible camera. Night vision on point. Which beach OP?", "Top of the sign says 'Thongson Bay'.", "Nice catch. Maybe Koh Samui then. Beautiful.", "Thongson beach on Koh Samui...have you ever even been to the gulf of thailand? come on bro try harder", "It makes me sad seeing this. Mostly sad for my self. Stuck with 2 young children during a pandemic. It will be a decades before I see a place like this.", "Koh Samui has had these cameras all over the place for about 20 years. Most you can pan and zoom with your browser.", "Every day I'm reminded that getting a vasectomy was the right call. Thanks.", "You can tell it’s night because of the city lights being visible on the opposite side.", "Well I have one now hehe", "Thought it was daytime first but then noticed the stars and house lights :D", "Koh Samui is an island.", "What model camera is this? It has amazing night vision.", "I went to Thailand in 1993. True story", "Yes. And?", "What beach is it?\n\nMaybe koh Samui\n\nKoh Samui is an island (not a beach)\n\nYes and?\n\nConfused Pikachu", "Thongson Beach on Koh Sumui in Thailand", "It might be cool to create a mosaic of livestreams like this from around the world, where the videos are positioned based on latitude.", "DONT take this offline! Looks gorgeous and serene. As someone living on the East coast, I am going to need this in a few months. Maybe invest in a martini maker/blender, heater, bright spotlight and one of those Hawaiian-style flower shirts. Get a tarp and some play sand from Home Depot and just sit in my living room pretending I am on vacation.", "I know the beach and that part of the island pretty well (or at least I did). Makes me really miss travelling.", "Yes. And?", "Littering and....?", "Could have been there if it weren't for covid :(", "Went there last November and stayed until June this year. It was easily my best trip to Thailand. Having all the islands and temples to yourself is pretty great.", "These two places were my favorite spots when I backpacked Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.", "Thailand is a beautiful place maybe someday I fly to this country ;)", "Smokin tha ganja", "Ah yes Ao nang. I spend 2 weeks there just before the pandemic, best travelling experience for my life.\n\nCan't wait to go back again!", "Indeed! I used to climb there. One of my favorite moments was rappelling down Ao Nang tower into a boat, then immediately going to get drunk off large Chang’s on Railay beach.", "Nice!", "Reefer, close, but no blunt.", "ha! its night time here, so it aint by you!", "In the United States, you dont have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public. So you can film people all you want. You just cant use them in advertisements or media like movies and tv.\n\n\nDespite the downvotes, this is still true", "Here's hoping OP get's a camera up at Thongsoff Bay.", "I don't think that there's a wrong answer there.", "Beautiful.. we launching a live sunset camera in Clifton, Cape Town.", "Is this Koh Samui? I swear I’ve been to that bar.", "Why so much?Can’t you leave them at their grandparent for 2 weeks while you go on holiday?Thats what my parents did with me.", "Perhaps when they are older. 1 and 4 right now. They are a handful. So probably not actually decades from now but it seems like it.", "Why are there pigs sleeping freely below the cameras?", "Do the pigs sleep under the camera every night?", "You can do it! Hang in there." ]	45	videos	I live in Thailand and decided to install a live camera on one of our most beautiful beaches. It's almost full moon now and it is amazing
https://youtu.be/edb6bz_C9ms	/r/videos/comments/qbfogu/bruce_lee_bowen_kicks_wally_szczerbiak_in_the_face/	[ "Why tho?", "why not", "Can some make this a gif/vidand ad jean-Claude Van Damme sound “AAAARRRRHHHHHHHHHH” in slow like In kick-boxer/blood sport", "it seems malicious at first, but it looks like Bowen sees Wally is about to shoot a 3 pointer, and attempts to run and jump high to block any shot. On his way over he sees Wally fake the shot, so in confusion kinda tries to stop his jump (but he's already mid air lol). just looks like an accident", "Bruce Lee Bowen thought he was a Airbender", "Wally deserved it .. he was an asshole to my boy GINOBLI !!!" ]	6	videos	Bruce Lee Bowen kicks Wally Szczerbiak in the face
https://youtu.be/MIKOcCKFDME	/r/videos/comments/qbfu5i/conan_throwing_knives/	[ "Love Penn and Teller. One thing Penn has said is that they will never do a trick that actually has any danger to it, as they consider it to be unethical.", "This is Conan’s version of the John Carson’s axe throw, I guess", "Recently on Penn's Sunday School, his podcast, he talked about how they did this trick once, and before they got to the blindfold and fishing line switch, the audience participant actually threw the knife at Penn, perfectly hitting the board and missing him. They played it off like the magnets worked, but BTS his whole crew was like \"😳 Oh, so that's a way it can go wrong we hadn't anticipated\"", "Jeeeesus." ]	4	videos	Conan throwing knives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7uj7LZBd2A	/r/videos/comments/qbg17t/bitcoin_for_all/	[ "I’ll take all the bitcoins. I prefer over the etf version. Thanks.", "My man, 1st time in history for me to appear on reddit. 🤩🎉", "I generated this downvote in 2013 giving me first mover rights, it's worth 400,000 times more than your downvotes for arbitrary reasons. Please make downvotes like mine into official currency so I can be rich ;_;" ]	3	videos	Bitcoin for all!
https://youtu.be/y2j8CjynBXQ	/r/videos/comments/qbgdu7/trailer_for_aaron_sorkin_movie_about_lucille_ball/	[ "Why … why do they not show Lucy’s face in this trailer?", "Probably specifically to leave you wanting more.", "Because it's a teaser. When the full trailer comes out, i'm sure they'll show her.", "Now i've gotta watch Rat Race again.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzWgEDlANIA&ab_channel=SassyTabby", "Every inch of film used to shoot this movie is a sacred relic.", "This movie has Tony Hale? It's gonna be off the hook!", "r/HailCorporate/", "They do show her face....", "Needed 30% of the time to be Aaron Sorkin's name on screen.", "As if it were a tease of some sort.", "Trailers and teasers are ads, I guess?", "It's a reboot of It's a Mad Mad Mad World", "In all fairness, he's the number one reason I'm at all interested.", "Yeah what is this guy smoking? A quick wide shot of her walking towards the camera in the rain and a medium at the end when she’s stomping the grapes.", "They don’t show her face because Nicole\nKidman lost the ability to make expressions after her 9th face lift.", "Fun Fact: Without Lucille Ball, there would be no Star Trek.", "Not entirely sold on Javier Bardem as Desi Arnez. They both have very distinct voices and from this clip it doesn't quite line up. Guess we will wait and see.", "Well Nicole Kidman is 10 years older than Lucy was when I Love Lucy was running. Gotta get that AI retouching software running.", "Yyyuuppp", "Without Desi there would be no syndication.", "Damn, I love Aaron Sorkin movies. His scripts must be three times as long as others'.", "720,000 hours of video are uploaded each day to youtube. There are 14.6 BILLION videos on the platform. \n\nDo you think the one video that started getting upvotes out of all the others really came naturally? \n\nOr do you think some smart PR firm or publicist for the movie is good at their job and bought some upvotes from bot farms to make the film successful?\n\nEven if it was posted by just a regular user, a smart publicist would seize the opportunity to build momentum to get that that video upvoted to the front page.", "Should we ban trailers?", "i'm down but still wouldnt solve the problem of reddit manipulation.", "But they totally did show her face. Watch the trailer again. They wine grape scene _isn't_ footage from the original TV show.", "Because Nicole Kidman's face is terrifying" ]	26	videos	Trailer for Aaron Sorkin movie about Lucille Ball - Being the Ricardos
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jM6m9Mo8DYk&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qbgoca/horse_pulls_owner_close_for_a_hug/	[ "Both adorable, and scary.", "looks like he just is looking for sugar cubes", "That's mainly so if you don't know the horse and it doesn't know you. If you get familiar with them you learn their character and to read their mood. Yes they are still big muscular animals and you need to stay cautious but no reason to be scared.", "Plot twist: they were talking about the girl.", "Can confirm horse girls can be both adorable and scary. Some are a special breed of human it seems...", "Or maybe just some suga.", "I was always meh with horses. Then I played RDR2. Now I like them", "YER ALRIGHT BOOOAH" ]	8	videos	Horse pulls owner close for a hug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JDWm1f6-M0	/r/videos/comments/qbgomb/cowboy_bebop_official_teaser_lost_session/	[ "Netflix does not have a good track record of live action anime adaptations, but I remain cautiously optimistic about this.", "This will either be 10/10 or 1/10.\n\nLet's wait and see.", "Me too. I have some hopes since I watched its opening.", "I hope atleast 5/7", "Coming from a huge huge cowboy bebop fan and couldnt wait to see this. This looks soooooooo bad.", "I honestly don’t know if I love or hate this", "With or without rice?", "That looks really fun.\n\nPopular anime adaptions have a no-win situation with many fans, and this will be the same no matter what. An overwhelming block of fans were so quick to shit on Ghost in the Shell, which was a good & faithful adaptation, did so many iconic scenes right, and just gets no love. I can't listen to chatter on these adaptations anymore, the bias is noisy and distracting. Just Watch.", "It looks pretty good. My anxiety is eased. I just wanna know if there will be enough Ed and Ein in it. It would be cool if the whole gang was there.", "It looks like some teenagers got together to make something cool...this would be a great thing released by a group of plucky college kids. \n\nThe acting was bad......maybe purposefully so? They are maybe going for camp? But it's aggressively bad like a car commercial or something. \n\nSpike is not particularly smartass or loaded with instant come backs. He's water, yo. \n\nIt's like....a really bad Scott Pilgrim take on Cowboy Bebop.", "are you talking about the hollywood movie with scarlett johansen? i'd say the movie part of it was ok, but why'd they change the ending. that's what i didn't like about it.", "Sadly no.\n\nBest we can get is 3/10 so bad it is good\n\nBut nothing more\n\nOld man spike, 17 year old dude bro faye, missing crew members, the acting, the choreography, the appeal to gen z dialogue....", "There is VERY unlikely to be Ed in this season...\n\nSo there won't be any Ed at all (unless some high up Netflix is REALLY into dude bro faye...emphasis on the in)" ]	13	videos	Cowboy Bebop \| Official Teaser “Lost Session”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VqaI9T7rtI	/r/videos/comments/qbhsmk/gus_johnson_nails_his_james_bond_audition/	[ "nah fam", "I thought it was spot on.", "Gus is such a king" ]	3	videos	Gus Johnson nails his James Bond audition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmss2dJ__cI	/r/videos/comments/qbhzl1/nigerian_scam_email_turned_into_heartfelt_funk/	[ "Good for Henderson. Happy ending, except for the mother being every upset.", "Funk? Sounds more like pre-foot loose era Loggins", "Yo, for real... Jazz Emu fuckin' rocks!\n\nI'm Sexier, is by far, his masterpiece.", "\tgoddamn it. That was great.", "Not as good as \"The Soul Called Mr Barrister John Warosa\" if you want a scammer email set to music" ]	5	videos	Nigerian scam email turned into heartfelt funk opera
https://youtu.be/36GT2zI8lVA	/r/videos/comments/qbiyai/such_a_brilliant_mind/	[ "My wife's father is a brilliant mathematician. He tries his hardest to explain things to us that for him are elementary, but to us they are very difficult to understand. He's a wonderful man and I've been fortunate to know him and learn from him. \n\nThis guy is clearly intelligent, but if you ask me he is sounds like w dick here. Instead of using his intelligence to answer the question he used his intelligence more to make the interviewer feel inferior.\n\nHe could have just said, \"it is a very difficult concept to explain if you don't already have a strong foundation in physics, but I will do my best in terms so you can understand.\"", "This video is a good example of what developed intelligence looks like; disregarding the fact he won a Nobel prize in physics, his capacity to break down complex ideas into simpler forms through nothing but uninterrupted language is impressive.", "Surely he is joking.", "What part?", "The whole book", "Also kinda arrogant", "He is answering that question not just for the interviewer but for who ever else may be watching this. That could be a 5 year old or a 50+ year old. The concept seems soo abstract (compared to everyday conversations) that it can be hard to grasp and not everyone can be satisfied with just one way of looking at things.", "Mr. Feynman was a freaking genius. He is not joking. He contributed to many things that you see around you every day. \n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman", "Most can only grasp at bread crumbs compared to the intelligence of this man. You ever hear someone ask \"If you could smoke a blunt with ANY 3 people, fictional or not, who would it be?\". Many say things like Jesus or whatever. This man would be on my list, right along with Einstein and Tesla.", "[Yeah except it was a joke about the title of a book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surely_You%27re_Joking,_Mr._Feynman!)", "HA! Ok, you got me there. Did not know that, /r/whoosh !", "Idk man, I think he probably should be entitled to reasonably feel that way if that is the case. If in the back of his mind, he always thought \"I won a Nobel Prize in Physics, what the F have you done?\" about interactions with the average person.. well, it would be sort of understandable. No?", "agreed. it was a very long winded way for him to say \"you are too stupid for me to talk to\"", "I don't think so, especially when you see the other parts of this series where he explains different concepts. The interviewer probably reacted as you did and says \"I think that's a perfectly reasonable question\" and Feynman's reply is not \"no its not\", but \"of course, it's an excellent question\". That seems like the opposite of arrogance to me, he's just trying to find out exactly what the question is that he's supposed to answer.", "Its not arrogance, its logic. \n\nWhat is interesting, is how you inferred arrogance because you didnt understand.", "Bro, he's not having a beer with a buddy. He's being interviewed and he IS using his intelligence to answer the question. Did you watch the whole video? TLDR at the last 30 seconds of the video.", "I think only people who are too stupid for him to talk to interpret it that way.", "Insane Clown Posse doesn’t want to hear what he has to say.", "He is answering the question and also making us question what exactly we know about the world we live in and how our mind has created our own concept of that world such that we are able to understand it. It is an incredibly profound answer. \n\n \nIf being challenged in this way made the interviewer feel inferior he should pick a different job.", "I did watch the whole video and stand by my stance that there is a difference between using your intelligence to teach people and being a cunt. I work around doctors all day who can be extremely intelligent and have to dumb shit down and explain questions to staff and patients. My wife's dad and his fellow mathematics people are also extremely intelligent and don't treat people like this dude when asking simple questions.", "Feynman's intelligence is on the same level as Newton and the other great minds, trying to compare random doctors and college professors intelligence with his falls well short.", "It's also an excellent book - I highly recommend to anyone who found this video interesting.", "What series is it?", "This video gets posted so often, and everyone won't stop talking about how incredibly genius his response is. I've never been impressed by his answer, which seems like a roundabout way of avoiding any attempt at just explaining the basic mechanics of magnetism.\n\nYes, most intelligent folks understand the difficulty of 'why' questions and how those questions can infinitely regress. Isn't all of that pretty obvious? If it isn't then I must be a genius (which I doubt) because it's pretty obvious to me. (Every parent knows it too, because kids lack the 'framework' he mentions in the video, so every answer to a 'why' question just produces a follow-up 'why' question.)\n\nBut the fact that 'why' questions can be difficult doesn't mean that you can't answer basic 'why' questions in science, for god's sake. Magnetism has been explained in so many different ways by so many people, all of which are perfectly acceptable and reasonable answers to the question of \"why do magnets repel or attract each other\". (He could've simply said \"it's a fundamental physical law of the universe produced by the motion of electrical charge. NEXT QUESTION.\")\n\nI'm not saying Richard Feynman isn't brilliant, but this video has never seemed like a good example of that. He honestly just looks like he had a sudden brainfart (it happens to geniuses, too) and was really struggling to get out of admitting that he didn't know how to answer to the question.", "Yes, he showcases his intelligence and articulation of complex ideas into simple language but, can you imagine this asshole at a dinner party?", "You know you’re smart when you can explain concepts in a way that makes NEETs feel smart.", "[Fun to Imagine](https://youtu.be/P1ww1IXRfTA)", "That would be great to have Feynman at a dinner party, he could entertain everyone on the Bongos", "You might change your opinion if you read \"Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman.\" Incredibly entertaining life stories, some academic and some debaucherous. Actually I think he'd be my #1 choice of a dinner guest.", "I understand your point. Sometimes you just want an answer. Yes, he could have given any number of answers, including that the force was an accumulation of smaller magnetic forces, but the fact that this is a fundamental force is way more interesting to physicists than any of that. This answer teaches the interviewer about fundamental forces and communicates to him the very real mystery that they present in modern physics.", "It’s online, just search for it. You can find a full text", "https://levilentz.com/work/Classes/Thermo/Surely_youre_joking_Mr_Feynman.pdf", "https://levilentz.com/work/Classes/Thermo/Surely_youre_joking_Mr_Feynman.pdf", "https://levilentz.com/work/Classes/Thermo/Surely_youre_joking_Mr_Feynman.pdf", "The problem is that magnetism is a relativistic effect, so to properly explain it you need special relativity, with magnetic field vibration at 90 degrees to electric field vibration, both of which are at 90 degrees to the photon path.\n\nIt is also a quantum mechanical effect, in that as an electric charge accelerates, either to or from another electric charge, it releases electromagnetic radiation. Light. Likewise for electric charge rotation, which involves force and acceleration also. ‘Rotation’ of a so-called point particle is relegated to the quantum mechanical property of spin, which comes in integer and half integer lumps, details of which are less important. \n\nIn the end, electrons spinning in a metal align (why do they align? On and on you can go) to make electromagnetic field excitations we recognize as ferromagnetism. Details of paramagnetism, diamagnetism, get deeper. I don’t blame him for not wanting to.", "Feynmen was famous not just for his intellect but for his charm, he'd likely have been a wonderful guest.", "> I've never been impressed by his answer, which seems like a roundabout way of avoiding any attempt at just explaining the basic mechanics of magnetism.\n\nHe does explain it though.\n\nLike charges repel, opposite charges attract. That is what keeps you in your chair instead of falling through it. The only reason magnets feel different is because they act at a longer range than your chair does.\n\nBut it is the same thing. And he tells you that.\n\nThe rest is him teaching you to check your assumptions when asking a question. That's at the heart of science.\n\nI recommend you checkout his video on how mirrors work:\n\n- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tuxLY94LXw", "It's not a genius response, it's an intelligent response. Don't take hyperbole too literally, but give the man some credit. I don't know a lot of physicians or professors who would be able to teach at this kind of level.", "A fair number of physicists have lived who were smarter than Feynman. And, of course, many physicists who were not as smart but were more relatable than Feynman. \n\nBut there may not be a physicist who ever lived who was both smarter than Feynman and easier to talk to. \n\nI would love to have him at a dinner party. He'd likely be able to teach each and every person at the table something interesting, regardless of whether they were a small child or a college professor.", "Who sounds like a dick now? :p", "Well, the \"Mr\" Feynman moniker came from a student calling him that (\"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman), a student who didn't realize his name was Dr. Feynman. Dr. Feynman had a good enough sense of humor that he made it into a book title. So, to recap, his name is not really Mr Feynman.", "The jerk off in the video being a dick is still the dick.", "Damm bro. Your ego is a glass jaw. Did you watch the whole interview or just this snippet? The interviewer was being antagonistic.", "He asked for a physics person to explain what the feeling is when you put two batteries of similar sides together. Instead of answering the question, he targeted why \"why\" questions are poor taste. He understood the question and even stated he understood the question, but yet chose to spend 7 minutes proving to the interviewer why asking \"why\" was bad format because of the infinite possibilities in which you could answer and why the interviewers level of intelligence would make it difficult for him to properly explain to him because he asked \"why\". \n\n\nI have no problem with this guy saying, \"Asking why is difficult because I do not know your level of knowledge on this subject matter and it is more complex than just saying because two similarly charged sides repel each other.\" but instead we got a 7 minute video on why he doesn't want to answer the question.", "no he wasn’t lol. \n\nfeynman was a bit curt at the beginning and the interviewer, rightly, got a bit defensive and pressed him. \n\nthat’s why we got the excellent clip we did.", "as if the two are mutually exclusive.", "You would not have fun at my parties.", "Everyone is disregarding the fact, he basically told the guy. \"I could explain it to you but you simply won't get it\"", "It would likely go like this.. \n\n1. He hears a new complex subject talked about. \n2. He offers no comment on it. \n3. Next day he proceeds to find the material on the subject. \n4. Highlighting each word he didn’t understand and then researching those words. \n5. Writing out each thing in his own words so he could rewrite it into a format he can understand. \n6. Next dinner party he would converse as if he was a kindred spirit on the topic.", "> using your intelligence to teach people \n\nFunny enough he invented a technique to teach people subjects they have no knowledge of. If you used it you could probably understand your husband.", "If he wasn't a physicist he could have had a fantastic career in politics. Why do magnets repel? Babbles on about slippery ice.", "No, sorry, he explained to the guy that at his current level of understanding he can only explain so much. He's saying \"it's a force that you have to accept as real in the same way you accept gravity is real\".", "Think of it this way. Would you rather have the guy who goes \"actually...\" be your friend who doesn't know as much as he thi ms he does, or a novel prize winning physicist?", "I don't think anyone disregarded that fact. He explained exactly why it's so hard to understand. He could've just said, you won't understand it, so I'm not wasting my time. He explains the amount of knowledge required, and how many level of the understanding you need in order to truly understand. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of words.", "Personally I thought his answer was fascinating. \n\nPeople with high intelligence and IQ are not going to act like most people on the normal spectrum. To assume they would is arrogant.", "This is probably a stupid question but do these electrical or magnetism repels also extend to light and heat sources? Or does sunlight just get absorbed right into me. Is there a really tiny minuscule push from sunlight? Or is this all limited to physical objects?", "My knowledge is too strong, traveler. You cannot handle my knowledge.", "Light either absorbs into you (heating you up a bit) or bounces off of you (that is how other people see you...light reflected off of you to them).\n\nYes, there is a tiny push from light. That is how [solar sails](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail) work.\n\nMagnets do not repel or attract light.", "There is a tiny push from sunlight!\n\nWhen absorbed light transferres its momentum to the absorbing object\n\nThe push is very slight\n\nbut it is there\n\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation\\_pressure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure)", "[Radiation pressure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure) \n \n >Radiation pressure is the mechanical pressure exerted upon any surface due to the exchange of momentum between the object and the electromagnetic field. This includes the momentum of light or electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength that is absorbed, reflected, or otherwise emitted (e. g. black-body radiation) by matter on any scale (from macroscopic objects to dust particles to gas molecules).\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "I mean, he could have just given him the answer and explained it to him like a five year old without being condescending and taking seven minutes of his time. But then it wouldn't get him a bunch of updoots on the internet.", "> imagine this asshole at a dinner party?\n\nWonderful guest, if he brought his bongos", "It was meant only in jest. I hope to read it someday but my list of books is long. I am sure he was a fine man. Thanks for the recommendation.", "Thats an interesting tidbit. I just say Mr something or other in RL all the time and habit bleeds over into my comments I guess.. What if a Doctor became governor?", "Im about a block away from Barnes and Noble. Just ordered it, should pick up in a few days!", "I just ordered it to pick up later at my local Barnes and Noble! Someone posted an online link but something about owning physical copies makes my pants tighter.", "He didn't mean to call anyone dumb, the words and terms he would use are way more abstract. Imagine a blind man asking you to describe as best you can the color Red. After thinking \"Maybe I can say that it's a color that looks like it can be hot to the touch? No.. Maybe something bright and exciting?.. No..\"... Sorry sir \"I could explain it to you but you simply wont get it\".", "[Here's a 1080p version of the full interview, it's well worth a watch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYg6jzotiAc) The magnets part starts at [14:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYg6jzotiAc&t=893s).", "Faynman's interviews are always akin to long rants but I can't help but be overjoyed at watching someone talk about things they like with such fire and passion. World needs more dreamers.", "What you say is at great odds to the rest of the world. Feynman is called \"The Great Explainer\" so calling feynman a dick for explaining something is weird as fuck and you're the only person in that line of thought.", "To me, these 7 minutes 33 seconds, are all about the -why- in the question.\n\nIt's a journalist asking for questions, Feynman isn't \"just answering the journalist\". He has to respond to all those people that listen to the journalist. But to explain \"why\" something happens, you have to accept some things are as they are. This is why he is talking about the different levels of understanding. There are paramaters to the answer to a why question. \n\nThats the whole part about slipping on ice.\n\nYou can end up in an (allmost) endless chain of why questions, if you dont know what paramaters your answering under, and with this specific question, it's pretty important to know the level of understanding of those who the answer goes out to.\n\nThat is, to me, the whole point of this little marvelous rant.\n\nNothing to do with him being abit of an ass.\n\nInstead of trying to answer an allready flawed question, he \"took the bull by the balls\" and attempted to clarify, why that kind of questioning can be dangerous." ]	71	videos	Such a brilliant mind
https://youtu.be/vf5AMfIOqGw	/r/videos/comments/qbjpg8/bill_wurtz_more_than_a_dream/	[ "This guy again. Looks like he got (a) bigger graphix card(s)", "Bill and Unity were meant for each other", "Another absolute bop from Bill.", "Is there a genre of music that is close to this? Idk why I get PBS vibes from his music for some reason.", "It's always a good day when bill posts.", "Damn this might be his best work yet.", "Mt Saint Helens has entered the dream.", "You could make a religion out of this", "He learned Blender to do the 3D stuff", "I'm convinced that he is carving a path to a music career through silly sketches and musical clips interlaced as informative nonsense.", "I'm pretty sure it's just blender with (i'm assuming) EEVEE renderer", "Either way it's perfect", "Bill dropping it soft like the stay puft marshmallow man, but hard like the GIANT stay puft marshmallow man", "Catchy, upbeat..now if only the lyrics made sense.", "PBS combined with Peter Gabriel?", "The best song ever created in the entire world, I guess.", "I especially enjoy the part where he is singing inside a grow tent.", "This feels like an AI generated song", "He has millions of plays on Spotify so yes\n\nhttps://open.spotify.com/artist/78cT0dM5Ivm722EP2sgfDh", "I don't think so. Maybe Jacob Collier?", "This gives me Paul Simon vibes.", "I love that this guy just makes what he wants to make. It's a nice visual treat combined with lyrics that are extremely open ended but occasionally tie bits and pieces together that you can ruminate on for a bit and interpret in your own way.", "God I hate these cringey Reddit musicians.", "Get out of here. Bill's been doing this for years on YouTube.", "I love this sound too, though I've never heard a term for it. If you like this song from Bill you should check out Tennyson.\n\nThis song goes all in on the PBS/90s educational video vibe:\nhttps://youtu.be/yS574cIl0sE", "Yeah. What's your point? Is it supposed to stop being cringey?", "Some of the chord progressions, key changes, etc. kinda give me a jazzy yacht rock vibe, if that makes sense?\n\nKenny Loggins, Steely Dan, The Doobie Brothers and the like (not all of their music mind you, but some of it gives me that vibe).", "Their point is you should have a cookie.", "Maybe this? Steven Wilson - Pariah ft. Ninet Tayeb https://youtu.be/cNTaFArEObU", "Why does the first verse sound so familiar? It reminds me of something and I can't quite place it.", "Yeah, getting very strong Solsbury Hill vibes from this.", "Maybe a dash of Paul Simon in there.", "Just FYI, you can ask Bill Wurtz questions on his [website](https://billwurtz.com/questions/questions.html) and he always responds...interestingly.", "louis cole vibes", "It reminds me of saturday afternoon in the early 90s.\n\nwhen all the cartoons are over and weird fitness infomercials start airing.", "Steely Dan for sure. Jazz fusion (jazz+funk+latin) stuff, like Flecktones, and even some newer stuff like Vulfpeck.", "I am a bill wurtz fan but he really needs to stop making the same-sounding music. he is capable of so much more innovation.", "Reminds me of anything from Andrew McMahon.", "A guy just can't do what he enjoys and make music without someone bringing the unnecessary hate.", "No, don't!", "looks like AI responding.", "I don't find dreams to be happier than real life.", "Yeah. Some people hate some things. Welcome to the real world.", "..and people can complain about it. Welcome to the real world.", "Guess we'll never get more history videos", "https://youtu.be/9oYs_hSlfy0", "Fever dream - The musical.", "Does he, in fact, need to though?", "You've already got the history of the whole universe, that's about everything there is!", "Today I woke up.", "Certainly some Louis Cole / KNOWER vibes at times.", "me letting weeks/months pass when a decent girl is clearly showing an interest:", "1 minute in and what's this? A traditional melody and chord progression? I get people saying it is Peter Gabriel-esque.\n\n2 minutes - Okay- this is more wurtzy. \n\n2:20 - okay back to more traditional fusion/pop\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis is like a real normal song. I like everything he does but I'm surprised by this one. \n\nNormally, there are several really HARD left turns during the song that keep you guessing where it will go. \n\nThis ENTIRE SONG is a figurative left turn, because I kept expecting something crazy and it never came. \n\nI think Bill Wurtz is metagaming at this point.", "Yes? Why do you think I care if you complain about me not liking something?", "I almost fell out of my chair. This was my exact thought while watching. I'm starting to realize there is no such thing as having my own thoughts.", "https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgKpmHLBqH6ftn0Ti14ALZ9ploks4exB0mJQ&usqp=CAU", "You're taking the time to reply to me. :)", "[ Jump to 02:20 @ more than a dream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf5AMfIOqGw&t=0h2m20s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: bill wurtz, Video Popularity: 99.70%, Video Length: [03:42])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf5AMfIOqGw&t=0h2m15s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Cool, thanks for the link. Maybe he knows if, on the Itchy and Scratchy CD-ROM, there is a way out of the dungeon without using the wizard key. We'll see.", "Maybe some of the answers, but I looked through a bunch of questions, and most of them was definitely not an AI", "ok this might sound crazy, but it kind of reminds me of Sorrow from Bad Religion for some reason", "This guy levels up with every video. WOW.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1baxrxGHU\n\nTry this on for size.", "+ Peter Gabriel + Steely Dan", "I would say like 90's soft rock? but ya you're pretty on the money with the PBS vibes. If anything he's just his own genre lmao", "He doesn't NEED to, but I'm guessing he is the type of creative mind that doesn't get satisfied with making the same thing. His video game has changed but his music is still similar. If people get mad at Drake for making the same album it's okay if I criticize the reddit boy too", "Haven’t seen Tennyson referenced in a while, have any idea where I can find his really old (10 or so years) wild electronic instrumental stuff? I don’t think its on his bandcamp anymore and I remember really liking it.", "eh there's a logical explanation: if you grew up with basic cable and a car radio you probably heard a lot of Genesis on the radio, and a lot of stuff on PBS when you were home.", "Huh? You replied to my comment first. Why would I not reply?", "Cringey Reddit comments.", "Come on now, if you truly didn't care about what I said, you wouldn't be replying at all.", ">Why do you think I care if you complain about me not liking something?\n\nTry reading again as you seem to be replying to another person at this point.", "But I love what we have going just now.\n\nWhy would I not reply? :)", "There's a reason you're not invited to parties.", "Awesome.", "Fabulous.", "Looks like his SoundCloud is still intact! \n\n\nHis early stuff is super cool, I remember seeing this song live when he and his sister opened for Ryan Hemsworth back in the day and being blown away: https://soundcloud.com/tennysonmusic/ur-cute?in=tennysonmusic/sets/singles", "A few days late, but one of my favourite albums ever is Crashing Towards Daylight from a pretty unknown Thyselius.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSl6WEfd1S4" ]	82	videos	bill wurtz - more than a dream
https://youtu.be/Byg3GBbd8Rs	/r/videos/comments/qbjpy8/talent_wise_this_may_be_the_best_sketch_ever_on/	[ "Back when SNL was funny", "I didn’t think this was that funny.", "Too bad the writing sucked with this one. Meh.", "That seems like an edit. They often used takes from dress rehearsal for the west coast feeds or in reruns. I’m curious why they made the change, here.\n\nEdit: Found the original version. It’s the full episode. The skit starts about 38:25. https://archive.org/details/saturday-night-live-s-19-e-14-martin-lawrence-crash-test-dummies", "best sketch ever....no. What planet are you from. Haven't you seen the cowbell sketch. Not only did it have lots of talent it was funny as hell !!", "I think it's because at 43:04 Chris forgets his line and then says oops and Spade starts laughing" ]	6	videos	Talent wise this may be the best sketch ever on SNL. Phil Hartman, Chris Farley, Martin Lawrence, David spade, Jay Mohr, and Adam Sandler
https://youtu.be/P2v8IgJdsm4	/r/videos/comments/qbjr49/shirley_ellis_the_nitty_gritty_1963_hd/	[ "What good before their time.", "That male dancer is my brother at every wedding we attended as children. Dance contest champ!", "Yes" ]	3	videos	Shirley Ellis : The Nitty Gritty 1963 HD
https://youtu.be/yFUKY6ee9ow	/r/videos/comments/qbk7jz/i_shouldve_stabbed_him_more_wife_accused_of/	[ "So bizarre. I understand she’s a survivor of years of domestic violence but why choose this over leaving?", "> I know what I've done and I know why I've done it and if I haven't done it properly I'll be really annoyed.\n\nSuch a weirdly calm off-hand way of talking about it.", "When you have been abused for that long. Leaving doesn't seem like an option. Their abuser has made them believe there is no way of living without them. That they have no worth. There is also an ingrained feeling that they will never stop. Her abuser would have probably found her and killed her if she left. That is usually how things end. Why this is actually note worthy.", "> Friends described David Jackson in court as a “kind and generous man” but said that his wife “could be quite harsh” and “quite unsympathetic”.\n\n\nIt's so hard to know what's really going on in a relationship. Still 100% possible he was controlling and abusive behind closed doors. Kinda seems like she just snapped. Like this was more about hurting and killing him that removing herself from the situation.\n\n\nhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/penelope-jackson-stabbing-husband-police-b1941107.html", "When the police tell you to stop over-sharing, you’ve gone too far.", "She sounds and looks like my late grandmother, right down to the “Aww no, please don’t.”\n\nProtip: Don’t say “You wouldn’t dare” to someone who’s pointing a knife at you.", "I don't know, if I have two testimonies I'm going to go with the one that's not from a murderer.", "I'll take \"Things you should never say to a police officer\" for five hundred, Alex.", "But she's really polite.", "That's a sign that she's a psychopath.", "No, it isn't. Superficial charm is what you are referring to.\n\nGo look up Casey Anthony (you can find the videos of her interrogations online, JCS criminal psychology, did a good video on it); that is an example of an actual psychopath (she is actually a monster...)", "Could you point me to any evidence that she was abused?" ]	12	videos	'I should've stabbed him more', wife accused of husband's murder said on arrest
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbksum/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbksum/deleted_by_user/	[ "If you want anything else answered, please do ask away in the comments, or on my video as I am happy to answer really anything related to YouTube or the algorithm that's within my knowledge.", "interesting...", "thanks lol", "If anyone could give a reason why it keeps getting downvoted, I wouldn't mind knowing. Thanks!", "Probably people don’t like it", "Fair play, I thought it was pretty interesting information but everyone is certainly different.", "Maybe people can’t access the Information. I’m on mobile and I wasn’t able to change the speed. Still upvoted you, I’m all for trying new stuff", "Oh damn yeah that would make a lot of sense, thank you very much for being so kind! :)" ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/B9v6q5YzbGA?t=0	/r/videos/comments/qbkxkl/hollywood_antivax_rally/	[ "We’ll, there just ain’t no cure for stupid", "That woman sounds like melissa mcarthy if she spent her free time infront of a 76 gas station…", "But there's a virus for it.", "This is just sad.", "You know how lucrative it must be to set up a lead paint snack cart at these things?", "All I hear is Cartman.", "literally just fetishizing and amplifying stupidity with these kind of posts", "French Guy is better for America than a lot of those Americans.\n\nThese idiots need to hurry up and take their Darwin Awards so the rest of us can get back to normality.", "It's weird being back on a website that's actually pro-covid vaccine. I say people should make their own choice. I personally won't do it, but man...I love the anger and forcefulness of it all, as if it would make people change their stance on a pretty important issue.", "It is amazing to me that people like this exist. How do they explain the 5 million covid deaths world wide? Are they all part of a conspiracy? Also, statistics show that areas with a higher vaccination rate have significantly lower deaths and severe cases. Why do these people make a public health issue into an political issus/conspiracy?", "The guy [@1:10](https://youtu.be/B9v6q5YzbGA?t=70) sounds like he's reading dialogue written by Dan Harmon.", "Who can watch this and deny that mental health in this country is a major problem?", "/r/HermanCainAward", "That sounds like part of the communist fascist socialist plot.\n\n/s, because you never know.", "She ain't wrong", "I couldn’t get through the whole video. My mental health is now slightly worse.", "That's if you believe/trust the \"mainstream media\". \n\nThe moment you disconnect from that, you're getting your news and stats from other sources. Those sources tell you a very different story. \n\nAs per the guy at [@9:37](https://youtu.be/B9v6q5YzbGA?t=577)", "Wow that was spot on", "sigh", "This guy is right. We should just be nice to stupid people.", "I'm pretty sure that woman was conceived in a communist fascist dumpsterfuck.", "I've never seen a mexican standoff interview before.", "You can't convince me 50 years of leaded gasoline exposure has nothing to do with the national mental crisis in the middle aged / elderly population. 50 years of breathing in air with lead in it, 50 years of drinking water contaminated with lead. \n\nI swear these goofballs are poisoned.", "Two minutes is the most I could stand. Ho Lee fuck", "I'm fine with people not getting the vaccine, I am not fine with them letting the virus mutate in the body getting other people sick and then clogging up the hospital while when I finally choking on their own mucus.", "Eh the crowd has a healthy mix of young people too", "I’d say it’s a mix of the lead poisoning and those same people brainwashing highly impressionable youth", "I love the fact that this antivax rally is just one women that’s a bubble from being level.", "I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure they were just explaining how some people could think like that, not actually arguing against what you said.", "Could be all the social media platforms feeding them what they want to hear???? Except Reddit, right? RIGHT?", "Holy flat earth reference at the end there too. Mental health care needs to be addressed in the world asap.", "Man I am so, so tired of hearing the phrase \"critical thinker\". Everyone thinks they are a \"critical thinker\" yet, we all come to different conclusions. That's impossible, so clearly we have no fucking clue what \"critical thinking\" actually means and is. These people use it in a counter-culture way: If you distrust mainstream media, you're a critical thinker. Others use it the completely opposite way: if you believe in these conspiracies, then you're not a critical thinker.\n\nA real implementation of \"critical thinking\" has nothing to do with what you trust or what sources you get your information from: it's whether or not you come to definitive conclusions that are closed off from further input. It's black/white thinking, which most people (including these people) are deeply steeped in. It's just like the guy at 8:50; us vs them. Good vs evil. God vs Satan. Government vs \"patriots\". This kind of thinking is the very antithesis to critical thinking, because it disregards the vast middle ground and gray area where the \"truth\" is likely to be.\n\nThe vaccine is a fantastic example of people exercising pseudo-critical thinking. It's either \"Big Pharma\" is just lying to make a bunch of money, or the vaccine is a life saving medical miracle.\n\nIn my opinion, though: \"Big Pharma\" can be corrupt and make a ton of money, while also producing a life saving vaccine.", "But the media is getting it's information from public sources. You'd have to believe that countless health bodies across the world are making it up and all got together with not a single shred of evidence of collusion. There's also the little matter of the dead people actually being dead. If it was fake deaths then, sure you could make an argument but this is real deaths of real people. \n\nThe sheer amount of things that need to be aligned for this to be a giant conspiracy is astronomical. Which is also why I understand why they believe it because actually, the alternative is even scarier. That there's a genuinely deadly virus out there that's invisible, that anyone can catch just by simply going about your day and there is a genuine chance (more than the so called 99 percent survival rate btw) that you could die from it within weeks of catching it. It's not a fun situation to be in and every human in the planet is going through it. Combine that with the absolute disregard most people have towards mental health and this is what we see. A bunch of truly terrified people, saying no because there's no other solution and there may never be. \n\nConsider how lucky we are that this happened now and not 20 years ago? We genuinely could've been facing an extinction level event.", "If you would have made it to 10:00, you would have experienced a transcendent moment of Waiting for Godot-level absurdism.\n\nDeez nuts. Hah. Gotem.", "I actually came back later and did catch this. Amazing.", "You know something isn't right when you think Tom Hanks is a Satanist lol", "Let me see where your ‘Merica clothes were made", "I always love the, \"but it's 99% survival rate, so why do we need all this,\" argument. They never understand the nature of a viral plague. So by their logic --- They'd be fine if we had a Alien Space Gun that fired a bullet randomly every few seconds into random population centres around the world, but it maybe kills less than Covid only hitting 1 in 10,000 people... and then, a lot of people don't actually die, they get winged or grazed. Still shot, but they live. You'd still want them to stop the space gun. And if they couldn't stop the space gun you'd want to buy armour for your house/car/business even though you could live a full life and never even see a person hit and killed by a space bullet. And these dumb fucks certainly wouldn't be complaining about the Military Industrial Complex selling them Space Gun Armour.", "[ Jump to 08:50 @ Hollywood Antivax Rally](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9v6q5YzbGA&t=0h8m50s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan, Video Popularity: 99.37%, Video Length: [13:53])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@08:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9v6q5YzbGA&t=0h8m45s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "[\"I don't want to say what group\"](https://youtu.be/B9v6q5YzbGA?t=478)\n\nit's the jews. he thinks it's the jews", "Agreed, she is not the sharpest tool in the shed.", "Whats funny is as hard as he tried to make them look stupid, those protesters are based.", "\"the media is getting it's information from public sources\"\n\nThe Media which is controlled by the illuminati government. /s\n\nSeriously though [I believe Jordan Klepper's point about this is right](https://youtu.be/Rp0melxXhho?t=318). \n\nSo facts are irrelevant at this point.", "Based", "Nope she ain't wrong. These people are brainwashed in this sub", "The irony.", "That deez nuts cut was hilarious", "I made it through maybe 20 seconds of that shrill harpy and noped the fuck out.", "Just picture a millions of these people spread throughout the US.", "It’s also a 96.4% survival rate world wide. Can’t even get there facts straight!", "Totally got inter-dimensional cable vibes from that lol.", "He wouldn't say it because he was talking to a man with a prominent jew-fro, and in their heart of hearts, fascists are cowards.", "Imagine going to an antivax rally to hate on Tom Hanks you really must be lonely as shit and dumb as a rock.", "Which also makes it the deadliest endemic disease we've had in society since the Spanish Flu. Even if it was 99.98% survival rate, it would still be the deadliest in over a century. I shut them down every time with that lovely little tidbit.", "It's a known fact that every single time, 100% of the time, those that think everyone else is \"brainwashed\", are the actual people who've been \"brainwashed\". You're not special, you have no information that is secret or unique, you're as ignorant as any other human on the planet and you're likely wrong about, well, everything. And \"based\" is the most Idiocracy-level word in modern English. You're wildly uneducated, and completely devoid of rationale.", "Sure. Keep getting jabbed you gullible moron", "Says the guy who follows information from charlatans trying to sell him supplements. What a dolt." ]	95	videos	Hollywood Antivax Rally
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qblr3a/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qblr3a/deleted_by_user/	[ "Meh.\n\nPlus hard to find bigots funny.", "This is a Chappelle video, not a trump video lol. Wrong post.", "Did you know that more than one person can be bad?", "Guess you've not of Chapelle being a transphobic little shite.", "It's not my job to educate you boo, but have a read yourself:\n\nhttps://twitter.com/glaad/status/1445870767548231685\n\nhttps://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/13/dave-chappelle-netflix-walkout-trans\n\nhttps://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/06/dave-chappelle-the-closer-jk-rowling-trans\n\nI mean, fuck him for spreading his bigotry against marginalised groups, but then his whining about being cancelled by the tiny minority of trans people is pathetic.", "I guess you've never watched one of his shows, ever.", "You just posted links. What SPECIFICALLY. You need to use your words on why YOU think he is. Don't be lazy, just say why you, yourself, personally, think he is transphobic.", "You probably didn't even watch The Closer", "Or maybe we actually listened to the Closer where he explicitly says he is \"Team TERF\".\n\nSure, I don't think he's foaming out the mouth with trans hatred. He said he was against the bathroom bill. But he clearly has prejudice.", ">You just posted links.\n\nI don't owe you an education. I don't even owe you references. Don't be an entitled baby. It's your job to educate yourself, friendo.\n\n>Don't be lazy\n\nI've provided you three references. If you don't read them I'm not the one lazy.", "I've watched the relevant portions. Not gonna spend time on him otherwise. He isn't funny to me. Just another wank buying into right-wing talking points.", "I respect that you're honest enough to admit that you didn't watch the whole thing. But context is important, if you had watched it you would understand the entire point of his bit was too show he wasn't terf, but to point out how quickly the trans community is to go to extremes for any perceived slights", "Could you link to a portion that you feels makes this point clear?\n\nNo I am in no way convinced based on what I saw, but another obvious point is the negative impact it is having on trans folks and the permissions it grants to bigots against them, regardless of intent (of which I am not convinced).", "The irony is that in not watching the special and creating this outrage towards Dave Chappelle it's creating the exact kind of ammo bigots want to use. They won't watch the special either but will use it as proof that trans hate is mainstream and acceptable, despite the fact that no hate occurred in the special.\n\nI can't really link you a portion, Dave's specialty is in his long form comedy. He will start off with a point and keep hitting it throughout his specials, making it seem more like a conversation or lesson with the audience. When you get to the part where he finishes talking about his trans comedian friend it will make so much more sense. And yes what he says happened to her is true.\n\nI will warn you though, I'm a huge fan of Chappelle but the first minute or two was rough. But it he hits his stride quickly enough.", "While he may not fully qualify as \"transphobic\", he sure is punching down on them out of a place of ignorance. Sure, he's a comedian making jokes, but I think James Acaster's [\"too challenging for you\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adh0KGmgmQw) rant makes a good case against that sorta stuff.", "He is not ignorant nor punching down. I've only seen a few of his works and I can tell he is very up with the play. His latest stand up shows this. \n\n\nAnd its a case for a person to not watch, sure. But if you don't like a joke, don't laugh and don't watch that kind of humor. Some people like edgy humor while other people like knock knock jokes. You should be able to laugh at yourself. If you can't, you're fucked.", ">You just posted links.I don't owe you an education. I don't even owe you references. Don't be an entitled baby. It's your job to educate yourself, friendo.Don't be lazyI've provided you three references. If you don't read them I'm not the one lazy.\n\nYou're the one who replied to the post and gave a non answer. If people ask for you to answer the question again, correctly, just say you don't want to answer. because that's what it seems like. You want to be included in a conversation but add nothing. Take ownership of your opinions.\n\nif a doctor asks you: \n \"wha are your symptoms\"\n\n and you say:\n\n \"man, trains move fast aye\", \n\nthen he says:\n\n \"No, i need to know your symptoms\" \n\nan apt reply is not:\n\n \"I don't owe you an education. I don't even owe you references. Don't be an entitled baby. It's your job to educate yourself, friendo.\"\n\nIf you actively join an interaction and participate nothing, of course people will ask for an actual answer. Get of your moral high horse. Why join a convo if you have no intention of being apart of it. If myself or Rab wanted someone elses opinion on the subject, we would have googled it - but we wanted yours. Take ownership of your views. \n\n\n\"I've provided you three references. If you don't read them I'm not the one lazy.\" \nyes, again, of someone elses opinion. We wanted YOUR opinion. If you don't hold a strong enough view on a subject to engage with other people, dont reply. You waste your own time and ours. Such a weird mindset.", "Not too sure what Terf is, but I assume it is some anti trans group. The whole show he was joking about how he is a transphobic comic. At least 3 times he says this - specifically when he talks about Daph opening for him - if I recall correctly.", "That's a whole lotta effort at typing there when you could just read the references I've provided you.", ">That's a whole lotta effort at typing there when you could just read the references I've provided you.\n\nyou clearly read nothing I wrote.", "Nah I did. Your analogy is absurd. It's not like you are a doctor I have paid. I have kindly advised you of an issue and kindly provided you multiple references. It is up to you to read them and follow up on them. I owe you nothing. Stop expecting baby-feeding. Good luck to you, friendo!", ">. I have kindly advised you of an issue and kindly provided you multiple references\n\nThats not what we asked for. Again, read. We asked for your personal opinion, not someone elses. If I ask for your opinion, I don't want someone elses. I want yours. How is this simple concept so hard to grasp. I never said you owe me anything, but you want to reply, reply with what we ask or you are wasting our time and your own. We dont want someone elses opinion. If we did, we would engage with them, not you. Requesting your opinion then not receiving it will garner responses to provide what we ask. If you don't want to share it and own your position, just say it and we can move on. Baby-feeding is what I am doing to you because I have to explain to you like your a child on how a conversation works. Its embarrassing for both of us. \n\n\nMom: \"D3pd, whats your favourite food?\" \nDepd: \"Well Donalds favourite food is here in this document. Read it. I shouldn't have to baby you.\" \nMom: \"No, whats your favourite food? I want YOUR opinion.\" \nDepd: \"Seriously mom, i've provided you a solid reference. Just read it\" \n\n\nThis is you. You have zero concept of what we are asking. Sorry to be condescending - its possible English isnt your first language. If this is the case, I am sorry. If it is not, also, I am sorry.", ">I never said you owe me anything, but you want to reply, reply with what we ask or you are wasting our time and your own.\n\nLook, I'll be quite serious for a moment. I don't want no fancy things. I don't want no fancy-wansy things. I don't even want no fancy-wansy-take-a-trip-to-Francey things. What I want is wasting your time and mine.", "thought that much" ]	25	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/rvmnPFg_7Hg	/r/videos/comments/qbm4mf/high_school_wrestler_saves_the_day/	[ "I watched that whole fucking video for the slam to happen off camera??!? What a waste of time.", "My title didn't say anything about an 'on cam slam'. You watched expecting something that was your own assumption.", "Love that channel", "It is entertaining and informative, one of my favorite channels.", "The probability of your kid being kidnapped by a stranger is magnitudes of order lower than them being hit by a lightning. The stories however are pretty much always broadcasted across multiple channels, amplifying the idea that it is happening all the time.\n\nHad a chance to talk to a group of middle aged US moms (i'm from Finland) and what astounded me was how often they felt it is happening.. They seriously thought that leaving their kid alone for 10 minutes would mean someone is going to take them. And they did not change their views when i showed the statistics, and that in most countries kids walk to school alone, play outside alone and nothing bad happens to them. They accused me of being heartless and shouted at me that \"i'm not a bad mom! I keep my kids safe!\".. And by safe they meant driving a car to everywhere their kids wanted to go, which is much dangerous in comparison.\n\nThe probability of their kid getting hurt because of an accident that their actions cause vs kidnapping is like comparing Russian Roulette and nerf war. It is incredible rare that kids are taken by a stranger on the street. By far more likely it is going to be a divorced spouse, grandparents or other relatives, someone they and their kid knows very well, someone they trust. But, the fear that sub-urban house moms have is incredible and very worrying. They are least likely to ever be a victim of a crime and yet, they are the most scared.. and the fear is completely irrational but also deeply rooted in them. \n\n\nTo be fair, i interjected a conversation where they were competing who keeps their kids most safe.. but that was what sparked my interest in the first place, as it was like hearing prison guards talking.", "Their kid being abducted is a mom's biggest fear. Not all fears are rational. Most people have some level of irrational fear.", "Yeah they're all fucking insane, that's why in some places it's child endangerment to have your kid walk to school." ]	7	videos	High School Wrestler Saves The Day
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gNZHWuE9piM&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qbmbaa/che_presents_bosko_at_the_beach_1932/	[ "Oh I remember this during the war", "the meme wars of 2015?", "No.\n\nThe war of 2016" ]	3	videos	CHE Presents: Bosko at the Beach - 1932
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4fGPPPmGA	/r/videos/comments/qbmcqm/still_only_slighty_exaggerated_travel_oregon/	[ "This is stupid as hell", "No it's not.", "Well now I REALLY wanna go to Oregon.", "Ya huh", "It's nothing like this. Its actually the opposite. It's a city of sewage, crime, homeless camps, and literal human shit on every other corner to the point that they made an app so you can avoid accidentally walking on human shit in city limits.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSw79yRnDVs\n\nIt was also tied for number one as one of the most depressed cities in the u.s. \n\nhttps://www.oregonlive.com/health/2017/03/portland_and_vancouver_rated_a.html", "This video is complete bs. Portland is a shit hole and is absolutely nothing like this.", "Cool video but please stop", "Oh shit I see what you’re doing.\n\nYea, um, never come here. You’ll hate it. The air is poisonous and the water is so acidic it’ll melt your insides.", "Reminder for ya buddy, Oregon is a STATE, not a city...", "Yeah Portland sucks never come here. Stay away. We’re all miserable.", "Damn guys, you’re a salty bunch for a pleasant lil ad. Especially since it’s been [pretty well received before](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/9f9upd/i_live_in_oregon_so_maybe_im_biased_but_this_has/).\n\nThat’s fine. Oregon sucks anyway. Avoid it at all costs.", "I'm talking about Portland specifically.", "You're tied for 1st for the most depressed city in the us.\n\nhttps://www.oregonlive.com/health/2017/03/portland_and_vancouver_rated_a.html", "Ooooh that’s good - yeah! We are so depressed and if you come here you will be too! \n\nI think we did it!!!!!", "Statistically ya. Your sarcasm doesn't change reality. Portland sucks ass.", "Clearly. Say what ya will about Portland rent prices, but Portland lives in your head rent-free.", "Not really but whatever makes you feel better. I don't care about that shit hole. I commented because this video is bs and portland is one of the worst cities in the country.", "We love every bit of this and you’re a true hero!!! Please spread this around to other threads. If we all do our part we can make a difference!", "It won't stop portland from sucking ass though.", "Uh huh. Exactly. Now we’re cookin’ with gas!", "We all know you sniff all your own farts", "I legitimately laughed out loud. You’re too much!" ]	22	videos	Still Only Slighty Exaggerated \| Travel Oregon
https://youtu.be/4tFWE_mKI38	/r/videos/comments/qbmxn0/this_smooth_squid_game_animation_sums_up_the/	[ "Wow, I am impressed. They must have been animating nonstop since the show released in order to make this.", "Mid 2000s flash animation vibes going on here! Love it.", "Sorry to be pedantic, but that's not really a summary* at all; it's a high-speed version of the entire series.\n\nI think I could summarize the show in less than a minute but I'd hate to spoil anything for anyone.\n\nSummarize: to provide a brief statement on the main points of a subject.", "Seems about right", "I see your \\. By definition, isn't a high speed version of the entire series a type summary?I think this video is a spoiler and maybe that should be reflected in the title.", "No, not at all. A summary is not all the content but faster. (That would be a \"condensed version.\") It is a subset of the content--the key points.\n\nA well written TLDR is a good example of a summary.", "Kinda left out the part where the main character wanted to do everything except be a good father", "Would you categorize this as TLDW?", "Great that the thumbnail provides a spoiler", "who cares? got any hobbies?", "This isn't all the content. Don't be pedantic, this is a summary.", "Fucking spoilers in the thumbnail. Great. Thanks.", "OK, at its very furthest extreme a summary is a condensation of nearly the entire story. Wow, that's a super pedantic argument. You got me there, ironically enough. However, no reasonable person should consider a nearly complete, really fast re-presentation of an entire story to be a summary. (A condensed story is also not ALL the story but it is really not a summary; at least not meaningful one.)\n\nYou want a summary, redditors?\n\n400 deeply indebted Koreans accept an invitation to play a life-or-death stakes series of games in which only 1 contestant will ultimately survive and reap wealth beyond avarice. The story focuses not only on the conflicts between contestants within (and between!) each game, but also on the conflicts within featured players as they are forced into continual moral quandaries. In the end, the winner faces further moral quandaries even as the precipitating monetary issues are rendered irrelevant. Viewers are left to ponder whether the characters' choices were justifiable and, perhaps more importantly, what choices they might make if faced with such extreme circumstances.\n\nBoom. That's an arguably spoiler-free summary in 4 sentences.\n\nPS If you think I am wrong, go ask a lit prof.", "Not sorry to be pedantic, but the title said \"sums up\"\n\nsum up verb\nsummed up; summing up; sums up\nDefinition of sum up (Entry 2 of 2)\ntransitive verb\n\n1: to be the sum of : bring to a total\n10 victories summed up his record\n2a: to present or show succinctly : SUMMARIZE\nsum up the evidence presented\nb: to assess and then describe briefly : size up", "Nah that’s in there. Instead of it being a lighter the kid shoots themselves with the birthday present coz he’s a bad dad. Same with none of the post games content it’s covered when the old mans eyes go red at the end of the marble game.", "I really wanted to see his haircut at the end.", "Your choice of definition does not support your argument though. You even highlight \"show succinctly,\" and surely must recognize that re-presenting nearly every scene, albeit at like 8x speed, is by no means being \"succinct.\"\n\nPer Miriam-Webster, succinct\n\n: using few words to state or express an idea\n\nHe gave a succinct overview of the expansion project.\na succinct description.\n\nFull Definition of succinct\n\n1: marked by compact precise expression without wasted words\na succinct description\n\nThat defintion clearly matches what I posted above as an example more than the original animation, which is better described as a condensed version. Whether we want to debate \"sum up\" or \"summarize\" is inconsequential as they are synonyms in this context. (Sum up has a second meaning when used in the context of math, but we are discussing the arts.)\n\nLook, I obviously love a good debate about the English language, and I will grant that there is plenty of of room here for subjectivity (personal interpretation), but if you're going to argue that I am wrong here you have to present information that contradicts my point. It seems you presented evidence that supports my position.", "There’s nothing about your example that makes it a better “succinct” version. The animation was a succinct overview of the series. It showed what happened in a brief way. It seems like the fact that it used pictures rather than sentences is what bothers you.", "It did not sum up nor summarize. It just re-animated the show. I'm not bothered. I am just wasting time arguing with someone who has lock on position and wants to win a debate without solid arguments Standard reddit fare, but typing responses gives my thumbs something to while I poop.", "It didn't re-animate the show, it only depicted key/major moments. It presented the story succinctly. It turned 8 or 9 episodes into two and a half minutes.", "And to conclude all that pathetic point you're making with \"PS if you think I am wrong, go ask a lit prof\" ? Damn that's sad." ]	22	videos	This smooth Squid Game animation sums up the entire show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpwWZq3nTw	/r/videos/comments/qbmzpt/finally_got_around_to_watching_lost_i_compiled_a/	[ "That was a waste of my time the same way the show was. Just a little less than 10 years shorter.", "The final season was better than GoT's, anyway.", "I don’t know man. The first few episodes of the final season of GoT weren’t bad. It was how they ended it. That was more disappointing than anything. Lost was just straight up frustrating.", "To be fair, I binge watched Lost in its entirety rather than having to wait week to week. I can understand being more irritated by the constant mysteries that go nowhere if I'd given it more time.", "Reminds of a video of every instance of someone saying \"What?\" In the show", "There's very little that actually truly goes nowhere though.", "It's been a while, and I'd only make a fool of myself trying to talk about it. Mostly I enjoyed Locke as a character. And anything with time travel gets a watch from me.", "Where’s the smoke monster?", "when lost 1st came out it was a breath of fresh mystery air to it. everyone was trying to figure out random \"clues\" and what not. people screen capping just to dissect all the little bits.... \n\nat the time LOST was the absolute shit and everyone was hooked on what the island was..... then it went a bit crazy but it tied up in the end rather well imo", "WHERE'S MAY BAYBAY!! THEY TEEK AHRON!!", "I'm lost", "Nani?" ]	12	videos	Finally got around to watching Lost. I compiled a quick recap.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=58ShlIgm2Bw&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qbnjnp/bbc_e30_m3_manx_rally/	[ "Unbeatable handling", "Half the downforce is not aerodynamic, but gravitational attraction between earth and the driver's balls.", "Me when the store closes in 5 minutes..." ]	4	videos	BBC E30 M3 Manx Rally
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbpa2v/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbpa2v/deleted_by_user/	[ "Very wholesome. I love Adam Savage. Bonus Will Smith clip!", "Or his sister admitting to being raped by him. She is a very strong and sweet human being though who survived and told about it on her podcast here\n\nhttps://secondwound.com/truth-and-consequences/", "It would be so rad if people spent this energy saving our planet. Rad! RIP earth...", "Have you spent this amount of energy on saving our planet?", "[That's funny, he fucking destroyed the Ghostbusters here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0pnTm-KK9k).", "That's awesome, so much attention to detail!\n\nBut good lord, Finn Wolfhard is enormous now!", "As a generally nerdy person Ghostbusters was my first love. When I was a little kid that was my favorite cartoon show. I haven't really thought about that in a long time. But just now watching Adam walk around in costume and meet up with all those other fans. Man I just got hit with maybe the largest dose of nostalgia I've ever experienced.", "Should... should we just apply this logic to everything people are passionate about? Sounds a little distopic to me.", "Will Smith?", "Maybe you should stop scrolling reddit and posting shitty comments and I don't know spent that energy saving our planet. Ya fucking muppet.", "Will Smith is also the name of a guy on Tested, the channel that made the OP video", "not incognito if your name tag is on but I guess we overestimate peoples ability to read name tags too", "Didn’t he rape his kid sister?", "Adam Savage definitely NOT being incognito. Just wearing a mask like everyone else on the convention floor..\n\nAlso the CAST doesn't show up until the 11 minutes into this 13 minute video btw...", "There's not that many comments in this thread and a mention of that was at the top do you could just read that and its main response. Of course you could also just google it to find out the details. \n\nBut it seems like the answer is no.", "Damn you shoehorned that one into here, and plus it’s not even true and you’re just being played by a crazy woman. Weird how your day can turn around like that huh Jackblackfourtythree", "I get really annoyed at all the idiot climate change deniers....but thanks for reminding me that others are idiots too.", "Adam Savage just might be king of the nerds, and I love him for it.", "This quickly went from \"nice project adam\" to \"oh this is an ad for the movie\".", "It can be both, if you know Adam he is clearly a fan. And he often is making his own props from movies (that's like half his channel) and he goes to many of the major Cons and conventions often in cosplay. To me this is like a streamer be paid to play a game they were going to stream anyway.", "He's walking incognito on every comic-con, so Adam Savage Incognito has become the name of that video series.", "I guess I'm a bit more jaded seeing as how the vid is a few days old and just happened to be posted the same day their ad campaign started. I looked it up, yup, nov 19th, 30 days out, extremely convenient timing. Like my twitter timeline's ads immediately flipped overnight to ghostbusters shit because they're doing one month of concentrated ads. \n\nThis is likely an ad parading as \"they're just like us!\"", "Well to be fair New York Comic was literally this last weekend. I'm sure this type of ad was done because it all lined up. But it isn't like he has been sitting on this video for weeks. And for what it is worth it is a cool ad in the sense you have a super fan like Adam showing off his top tier cosplay to the director and actors on the film. It's at least interesting if you are excited or into the movie not just you're normal ad placement.", "this is bait" ]	25	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2N-9EmedA	/r/videos/comments/qbpk7e/cowboy_bebopopening_credits/	[ "This looks infinitely better than the teaser. We also get a glimpse of the Swordfish II, Spike's ship.", "This isn’t doing it for me.\n\nNot sure this show is necessary or interesting tbh.", "Ok…3, 2, 1", "Compared to the teaser, it makes it seem at least semi-watchable. But I do agree that we don't necessarily need this to be made into a live action. The anime as is was great.", "Ummm… sorry. I’ll stick with the anime, thanks.", "I just don’t know. Maybe?", "It just doesn't look right in Hi-Def. The Noir feeling isn't there. It's got a pop-art look about it, but the kind look that you would make if you were trying to replicate pop-art. IDK... maybe melodramatic is a good way to describe it.", "This looks awesome. We will always have the original anime, so maybe people should relax, be less critical, and enjoy life a little.", "They’re jumping the shark already…", "tower of TV's, Ein............COULD be good." ]	10	videos	Cowboy Bebop--Opening Credits
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbpk8j/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbpk8j/deleted_by_user/	[ "Poor Lisa had a problem [with this.](https://youtu.be/hqJ5gKZNkuY?t=5)", "Here are some words that rhyme with 'Corey': \n\nStory\n\nGlory\n\nAllegory", "I remember my 10 year old kid sister ran up a $200 phone bill calling the New Kid’s on the Block 900 number back in 1990ish. My parents almost murdered her. Life was weird before the internet.", "Ahhhh", "I forgot that this was real. Did anyone call it? What happened?", "Called that shit a few times back in the day. Got grounded for the massive bill my parents got for me calling 1-900-909-FRED", "They told stories.", "I remember this. From back in the days when you had to specify a “touchtone phone”, because half the households still had rotary dials….", "Anyone tried calling it now?", "Probably all garbled audio, too.", "Montessori", "I ran up a $200+ phone bill trying to reach Jane Goodall from NZ... I also used to ring up the Gorilla Research place that had Koko in it. Dad wasn't happy. But I was interested in primatology dammit...", "You're only gonna get one Corey.", "I did. Message saying it’s restricted or some shit", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJho9AvR7A8", "I tried calling it from a free voip provider but it says it's invalid", "Lmfao all those damn pre recorded messages of him basically saying he was gonna kill you. Classic", "Oof.", "I bet your dad went bananas on you!", "I just did a dog training session training our dog to avoid rattle snakes and she was there too having her dogs trained. It was pretty wild.", "We had a device from radio shack that would simulate the touch tone noises.", "Let's see what's in the news today.\n\n“Canada stalls on trade pact.”", "Back in the later 90s, like probably 97 or so, young pubescent me downloaded some dialer program for porn, I didn't know how it worked I just knew that I could use this instead of my normal internet dialer thing and it directly sent me to porn\n\nAnyway turns out the number it was dialing to was very expensive on the ol' phone bill.", "That's so cool, I'd love to meet her. I used to ring places in Tanzania trying to get though to the Gombe research facility.", "I called the phone sex ones as a <10 year old and ran up hundreds of dollars in one day calling. When you call they waste your time with other advertisements for other 1-900 numbers, well I was such an idiot that I thought that was the next one you had to call to get a hold of someone and never actually reached a live person. I wanna say it was like $1800 but that sounds really high as I am thinking of it so I honestly don't know. My great-grandmother had to call the phone company and they wiped the whole thing from what I remember.", "Thanks!! I knew the Corey hotline was from something else!!", "One two Freddy's coming for you...", "\"I hope we can get married some day.\"", "I only call [Freddy freaker](https://youtu.be/pdQiSGb4Luw)", "I still have a rotary phone because it's funny...but try having no cell/internet and calling CenturyLink customer service and ask you to enter your \"phone number on the account or press 0 if you're calling from a different number. I'm sorry, we didn't detect any response. Good bye.\" and get frustrated.", "Thanks Neil Cicierega", "\"phone company and they wiped the whole thing from what I remember.\" \n\nWho ran the phone companies back then? Princess Diana?", "My grandparents had a touch tone phone, but they didn’t want to pay the extra dollar a month or whatever it was for touch tone service, so they flipped the little switch from “tone” to “pulse.” Now you know why that switch was there.", "This was much more relevant than I expected it to be, and way cooler than it has any right to be.", "I don't know what you mean. The phone company cleared the charges.", "Crackle crackle", "> Life was weird before the internet.\n\nAnd now it's perfectly mundane.", "200 dollarydoos!?", "Grab my friend Cory\nThrow from ten storeys\nMess is quite gory\nReceive satan’s glory", "That was a very a-peeling pun.", "I had to watch this about 4 times to convince my brain that it wasn’t Fred Savage…", "ASCENSION! MILLENIUM!", "It was an emergency call from the International Drainage Commission in Springfield!", "Yes, the internet has really grounded us as a species.", "My house was such a mishmash in the '90s. We kept a rotary phone until 1997 when my parents made the leap to caller ID and a wireless handset. We had an old '70s woodgrain television until like 1993. Then a 19\" RCA to replace it. Dad was big on music so he had vinyl, 8-tracks, cassette tapes, and CDs of his favorite artists. Neither of my parents cared for computers so I got a handy-down Commodore 64 from the neighbors in 1993. Then my cousin gave me a Dell with 166MHz Pentium circa 1999. Soon after I got free dialup Internet from Juno and Netzero. Felt like the world opened up to me. And kinda felt like I grew up across several generations since none of my friends knew about vinyl or rotary phones or a Commodore 64 haha.", "How hard was it to come clean to your great grandmama?", "Lol, I remember those commercials. I wonder though, how long that lasted? Was there a time limit? For how long? Was it actual convo with actual them, or just some lame love you message promising to see you soon, or catch me in my next movie this so and so-tember of so and so year? I wonder. Hmmmmm.", "\"I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy!\" then proceeds to french kiss you", "https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/the-30-weirdest-1-900-numbers-from-the-80s\n\n1900 numbers had to be the worst thing to die from the 80/90s.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdQiSGb4Luw", "Tobias!", "Was the device a touchtone phone?", "Most phone companies back then (and even now) will usually give a one off exception to highly unusual charges, such as several hundred or thousand dollars in toll charges when there has been no history of them.", "Back in the day you used to be able to modify those Radio Shack tone dialers to be able to trick pay phones into thinking you dropped coins into it. Also known as a [red box.](https://phonelosers.com/redbox/tonedialer/)", "“$2 a call”", "u/savevideo", "I came here to post that. Neil Cicierega - Mouth Silence - Numbers for the ctrl-f ers.\n\nHis entire \"Mouth\" trilogy (now a tetralogy) is incredible if you enjoy remix music. Listen to them in order if you can, there's recurring jokes in it and everything:\n\n* Mouth Sounds\n* Mouth Silence\n* Mouth Moods\n* Mouth Dreams\n\nThey're all free for download on his website.", "I still don't understand the Sega Network, and I probably should", "My brother fell for this with the WWF commercials back in the day. He did not get his parents permission and managed to rack up an $800 phone bill by the end of the billing cycle.", "and rapped", "Seriously. It is completely baffling. What even happens when you call? What for? I feel like the bar for getting rich off dial-in numbers in the 90s was...quite low.", "Ripe for the picking.", "Neil Cicirega did a good remix of this: https://youtu.be/eDjV0KlXfOY", "a priori", "I remember this! Even when I saw this however-many decades ago, I wondered how the foam rubber puppet would help me “party till you drop.”", "“Here are some words that rhyme with Corey…”", "Good lord! There’s nothing wrong with the bidet, is there?!", "Lol, this was me at 7 years old. Called Freddy Kruger's 1-900 number in the 80's and rang up a $200 phone bill. I don't even remember a single thing said. Parents were pissed though, lol.", "Three four better lock your door...", "My mum nearly killed me after I ran up a 100 pound bill calling football game phone lines. Luckily for me I happened to win 100 pounds from a premium bond.", "Haha they used that weird AF jacko dance scene from dream a little dream.", "Right, because that makes way more sense than just getting a new phone.", "Crazy to think that was legal. You didn't have to verify age or provide a credit card or anything. Nope, just bill your phone line, lol.", "Story", "I assume you're receiving emails from the AARP now, like myself.", "Sorry, wrong number. AAAHOOOOO.", "Are there archives of the content of these type of fan hotlines out there? I'm so curious now.", "222 and 22", "Statutory", "Phrasing", "I didn't know he had made a fourth one. Thanks!", "Back in the day phones were expensive.", "He's constantly T-posing. so could you question him?", "Why did he stop going by Lemondemon?", "Right around the time when one of the Corys was getting sexually abused.", "I totally forgot that existed", "I think I’ve been getting those since I was 35.", "Glory", "As a young teen, in 1987, I talked to my girlfriend who lived 30 minutes away when I was with my mom on the weekends. The 13-hour call was $90.", "I loved how hardware was the basis for hacking back then.", "Allegory", "Wow. Thats the most low effort ad ive ever seen.", "Montessori", "I wonder what's more profitable. These 900 numbers for celebs back when or Cameo?", "How hard was it when you came clean for your great grandmama?\n\nFTFY", "Ha-ha, what childhood?", "Technically 'gory' also rhymes with 'Corey', but I doubt they would put that in a Simpsons episode", "Charlie Sheen raped these boys.", "[Somewhat Relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDjV0KlXfOY)", "You technically cant sell something to a child without parental permission. Children can basically void most contracts they are involved in. So if a child calls a 900 number without parental permission, you can basically void that transaction by the parent saying they didn't authorize it.", "This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Thank you. Take my upvote.", "Have you seen the haunted treehouse eps?", "Ah, yes - I should have added \"outside of those\" (=", "Ha, I went to do the same thing and ended up calling a sex number instead. I had no idea what I was doing in my parents were furious lol", "Lemon Demon is his name for his original music, his mouth mashup albums are released under Neil Cicierega and are not sold or on Spotify.", "I started getting them in my 20s. They’re not exactly what you’d call targeted.", "“Allll my liffeeeeeeee” - crackle crackle", "That's cool. I always enjoyed Andrew Kepple's animations for lemondemon songs.", "Life must have been weird with your parents in jail.", "How hard was it when you came for your great grandmama?\n\nFTFY", "My parents confronted me with the bill and then tried to decipher what the numbers were for by descrambling the letters. The didnt believe that i was calling freddy and not some porn shit", "I never knew this is what that episode is based on. I think Taddy Mason from Rick and Morty is also referencing this", "Yeah, my parents would always lecture us to never call a 1900 number.", "It was a similar problem in the mid00s when kids started getting mobile phones and blowing their credit/getting a huge bill for all those junk ringtones and screen savers and whatnot you could put on your phone. I remember every magazine had those full page ads of grids of tiny images of 'cool stuff' you could download for your phone, from cars to nude ladies. Only $5! (Small print, also eleventy dollars a month for the next eternity).", "He actually has articulated arms, they just, you know, couldn't be arsed to put in even a modicum of effort.", "Every now and then I remember that Corey Feldman exists and that he went through a period where he thought it was a good idea to steal Michael Jackson's style. \n\nWhen that happens, I fully body cringe into a small compact ball and roll into a dark corner until my brain suppresses the memory again.", "I know that's what makes it hilarious. It's not like the commercial are nightmare fuel to begin with. At the end of the commercial I Linked it seriously look like he's calling for help.", "My friends and I would call 1-900-Hot-Stuff from pay phones and get through. It started with some lady talking sexy \"hey stud, you've reached the sexiest women who are wet for you for only 2.99 a minute\" or something to that nature. I did not DARE call from my landline. and I would usually hang up because I felt like I was going to get in trouble somehow. It was a rush every time we called though.", "I called one time. I was playing Super Mario 64 and had 119 stars. The first suggestion was the right one. I thought they were geniuses.", "Itchy & Scratchy: Are we a joke to you?", "MISTER PRIME MINISTER!", "I always wondered WTF you got when you called this line. Was it for kids? Adults? Was it a chat line? Was it a sex line? Was it a listen-to-funny-jokes line? Was it in any way regional even tho it said \"New York to LA\"? \n\nI NEED ANSWERS.", "Guess she didn't have...The Right Stuff", "Funny that the Simpsons made fun of this considering I ran up a massive phone bill when I was younger calling the 900 number to talk to Bart Simpson.", "idk what neil has to do for this but i upvote his name", "What happened when you called the first number? What about the second? Is there a third and then a fourth? Also these guys are proof that if Hollywood wants to make you cool you will seem cool.", "https://youtu.be/eJho9AvR7A8", "For the [uninitiated](https://comb.io/j3RYeS).", "Should've just called in for a few second. I guess that rounds up to the nearest minute.", "They always charged a rate for a chunk of time and then each additional minute.", "Yes?", "My sister ran up a $400 phone bill and my dad cancelled the phone service and threw away all of the phones in the house. For about a year we had to walk to the gas station and use the pay phone to call someone.", "Between this and “Paint your Wagon” being real things, the Simpsons continues to surprise me.", "That's hardcore. We didn't lose the phone, but we were living in HUD housing back then. I'm sure that $200 was pretty tough for my folks to deal with.", "*CUM FOR GRANDMAMA*", ">handy-down\n\nYours is way cuter but it's \"hand-me-down\".", "Look at my dick dude, it’s like, rock hard right now" ]	140	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbpldc/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbpldc/deleted_by_user/	[ "Father John Misty on the drum kit!", "Robin’s voice is a perfect", "I love this song, and album. A constant go to.", "Fucking magical", "My favourite album on vinyl", "My favorite band of all time. Crack-up is an absolute masterpiece that will be lauded for a long time to come, and they've never released a single album short of fantastic. I discovered them in a fairly transitory period of my life, and consider their sound to be the sound of my transition into a self sustainable adult. Robin Pecknold is easily my largest musical idol and influence.\n\nWas supposed to see them in concert and had last minute travel for work and I've always regretted not just quitting that job to go and see them regardless. I did at least get two postcards from Robin this year as a result of the delay on my preorder for the Shore vinyl. \n\n[Here's Post Malone jamming to one of my favorite songs by them](https://youtu.be/oyLeOM28xYQ)", "Not only Father John Misty on drums, but Christian Wargo (Crystal Skulls/Scientific) on guitar. What a great backing band for a great song.\n\n“Good job guys!” Gives me a chuckle. Thanks dad!", "Love that video. The Shrine/An Argument reminds me of one of the best years of my life.", "I wish John Misty and them still got along." ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbpovk/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbpovk/deleted_by_user/	[ "I am not behind this make an anime show out of every video game trend lately.", "If it gets views, they will continue though...\n\nThe DOTA 2 Dragon's Blood Netflix 'anime' (although it's not) did well enough there's already a trailer for the second season (as well as a few books).", "Good thing you aren't representative of capitalistic demand. Congrats your are \"unique\".", "Why do you care? There's such an insane variety of content coming out all the time, who is actually so petty as to care if a specific type of content comes out?", "I still don't know how I feel about the artwork. The stills and styling look really cool, but when the characters are moving it just looks really strange and I can't put my finger on it." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbpu5j/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbpu5j/deleted_by_user/	[ "Best movie ever", "gary oldman was something else in this movie", "I own this on VHS and DVD. This was my original Pulp Fiction that I knew the lines by heart.", "was that tony sporano there in the corner loll didn't even offer him a diet soda.", "And Spiros Vondas too.", "This part confused me when I watched it way back when... who's buying that Christopher Walken is Sicilian. Like if the whole point of this dialogue is to be a racist diss to piss of Sicilian's... wouldn't it have kind of worked better if the dude actually did have dark skin and dark eyes? Walken is like as white as you get lol.", "One of the greatest scenes in cinema.", "never had the makings of a varsity hitman ....", "It's more about the heritage in general and the fact that Mafia families are more or less exclusively southern Italian/Sicilian, insulting Sicilians inevitably puts one of his ancestors on the block- even if he himself doesn't seem to reflect that genetically outright.", "Well he sure as hell wasn't lying...but I love this scene because he knew it was over, thats why he asks for the smoke after stating he had quit. One of the best scenes ever.", "Did Christopher walken play a Reddit moderator ? Because everytime i ask questions based on actual facts i also never get an answer but instead they put a bullet through my posting abilities.", "Pedant moment:\n\nMoors was a vague term for North Africans, sometimes generalized to all Muslims.\n\nThose that did invade Sicily were mostly Arabized Berbers, i.e. “Mediterranean looking”, and not black. This was during the Islamic Golden Age, these guys weren’t exactly barbarians ushering a dark age for Sicily, and the island prospered during that time.\n\nSo if it needs be reminded, history lessons by racists are generally not all that accurate…", "Apparently, Hopper and Walken added the eggplant/cantaloupe part to Tarantino's script and he liked it so they shot it.\n\nI wonder if anyone who's never seen the film fully realizes what's going on and why he asks \"Am I lying?\" at the end.", "I get it, I just thought it would kinda be more impactful if the dude he was dissing actually happened to look more “mafia” than walken. But then again, I understand why you don’t turn down walken because he brings his own unique intensity to the role (even if he’s german scottish)", "oh no doubt, I'd frame a filming schedule ENTIRELY around him being able to make it, it's like having a chance at Nicholas Cage in a movie I'm making" ]	15	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/l-O5IHVhWj0	/r/videos/comments/qbq3kj/run_dmc_its_tricky_from_the_1986_album_raising/	[ "Back when hip hop was fun.", "the beginning of the golden age", "I only just now realized that it was Penn'n'Teller in the video...", "That's actually based content", "This song always reminds me of SSX Tricky. Loved that game as a kid.", "It still is, you're just not looking for it. Not all hiphop was funny in 1986 either.", "How you gonna lose your shit on a bet and then call your man acting like your shit was stolen. Great song horrible story plot", "Maybe because you realise they’re cheating and it’s not a fair bet ?", "Technically every video of someone features a younger version.", "I recently found out it sampled My Sharona for the beat.", "Great, now I have to go play some SSX." ]	11	videos	RUN DMC - It's Tricky. From the 1986 album Raising Hell, released as a single in 1987. Video features a young Penn and Teller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsj-hDW9bS8	/r/videos/comments/qbqqgv/interesting_animated_teded_video/	[ "You can tell the meows were done by human … which is a bit unnecessary…", "When I was young 14. I had a cat. My father would tell me it was my sisters pet. But I admired it. He delivered rats and birds at our door. Amazing me. I truly believe that cats are the epiphany of hunters. More so than lions and tigers, more dangerous than any dog. I am convinced it new how much I respected it and he loved me more than my sister because of it.", "[How much do cats actually kill?](https://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill)", "Nice, I love Chintis Lundgren's animation." ]	4	videos	Interesting animated TED-Ed video
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbrs1n/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbrs1n/deleted_by_user/	[ "Oh no, I broke it.\n\nAlso clever that he puts his hand on his eyelid and his hat (lid).\n\nThis show was gold.", "this is what training new coworkers are like", "Haha oh god so accurate.\nEspecially the smashing of the glass right at the end making everything worthless.", "I know im getting old/turning into my dad because that just annoyed the fuck out of me oh no", "You need more alcohol", "MY LEG", "You get it.", "It holds up so well.", "maybe if you're 8", "This is peak SpongeBob.", "[There is an edit of this I saw recently from someone excited for the new Path of Exile league.](https://streamable.com/6yh5ln)", "so wholesome", "The reason Patrick is so dumb is because starfish don’t have a brain. And sponges are naturally helpful…. Ok, made that last part up.", "My absolute FAVORITE scene is when Squidward is laughing at Spongeballs in the Mystery episode and gets tangled up in his bike, falls down a mountain, and when he hits the ground there's a 3 second delay, and then he explodes. I'm 25 years old and to this day it makes me laugh harder than a lot of things", "MY LID?", "I know exactly what you are talking about! Yea that is a good one.", "Also what it’s like for drill instructors trying to teach privates during boot camp a lot of the time." ]	17	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LEWowYdgw	/r/videos/comments/qbsxv7/medeski_scofield_martin_wood_a_go_go/	[ "I've been lucky enough to see MMW with scofield several times...constantly impressed. Blows my mind every time.", "One of my favorite bands, another awesome track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB47k_OEcNo", "Didn't expect to see these guys on this sub! Love it!", "Call me crazy but I vastly prefer them without Scofield", "It’s like a filet mignon vs a porterhouse. Different tastes." ]	5	videos	Medeski, Scofield, Martin & Wood - A Go Go
https://youtu.be/2nv7qmefMqc	/r/videos/comments/qbtec4/the_worst_part_of_squid_game_spoilers_prozd/	[ "The boring retread of 'most dangerous game' ?", "Lol so true. The dialogue of the millionaires felt so weird and out of place.", "Eh, not really... it's just as dumb and shallow as most of the korean stuff. Maybe you got 'fooled' by the subtitles.\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips\n\n> Additionally, Kennedy says that all the acting on Squid Game – and in Korean drama in general – is deliberately heightened, something non-Korean viewers might have missed. “Whether they’re watching with a dubbed or subtitled version, people who don’t speak Korean don’t have the understanding needed to fully judge a Korean actor’s performance. What might be cartoonish or broad about them is lost in translation, whereas the VIPs had no such luxury”.\n\nRight from one of the actors.", "I fell like subtitles can kind of cover bad acting in some cases, but there was a very sudden drop in acting skills in those scenes. In was very painful to watch as an English speaker. Maybe they were trying to make some kind of point but it just sucked.", "Doesn't take away from the criticism which posits those scenes were so ham-fisted and poorly written.", "It felt like they were non English speakers speaking their lines phonetically, or maybe it's because the lines were poorly translated into English.", "I thought that they might have been told to deliver lines that way. It very much reminded me of dubbed english voiceover. Very matter of fact, very dry, very literal sounding. Overboard annunciation.\n\nLike almost translated for a Korean audience but still in English.", "“I figured… if I can’t bet on 69…….. I’ll bet on 96? 🤷‍♂️“\n\n“Hah HAH”\n\n“Hilarious”", "It'll probably sound unsurprising and pretentious for me to say this, but I honestly don't get why this show was such a hit. It was pretty average, not the groundbreaking experience it's been hyped up as.", "It was definitely terrible dialogue... but on the other hand, I almost felt their buffonish lame delivery added to their creepiness. Like all this insanely complicated evil just for the entertainment of these cretins. I don't know how much of their delivery was intentional, but I definitely think they were meant to come across as dumb.", "Right? It made me wonder if the whole show was poorly acted and I just didn’t know haha", "I think it was native speakers (well, the tiger was native) speaking slowly and clearly (or: \"unnaturally\") to give the Korean listeners a chance to understand... or time to read the subtitles.", "cough\n\nKaiji was better.\n\nruns away", "\"The hype\" is the problem. It's an interesting idea for a show, and South Korea can pull off some ideas in interesting ways.\n\n...at the same time, there was a pretty successful TV game show with a similar-ish \"play this game for money, there's some trick to winning, don't worry about betraying the other players\" in Korea years ago. [I'd recommend trying episode 1](https://np.reddit.com/r/TheGenius/comments/70jog1/links_to_all_subbed_episodes_of_the_genius_s14/) at least.", "I can imagine that in some cheezy horror movie, at a Blumhouse level. But it would be delivered in about 2 seconds instead of (what felt like) 10 seconds.", "I perceived that sequence to be a Korean portrayal of a Western caricature. Like the writers don't really know western/American culture and so they attempted to be as over the top and on-the-nose about it. Some Japanese anime does the same thing when portraying an American supporting character.", "Imo it was. Only really good actor was the doctor", "Is that the logo for the NRL's Wests Tigers? \nWhat? Why?", "So you don't like Korean film and yet you watched the show that far in? Or did you only watch those particular episodes?", "They speak that way because you are supposed to see them as pathetic man-children who will away their money and other peoples lives on stupid things like 'haha, 69 funny'. You aren't suppose to like them, you aren't suppose to think they are anything other than pathetic lumps of flesh - the whole point is that all these people we meet and form attachments to in playing the games are, in the end, completely at the mercy of soulless fucking idiots just because they are rich - you know, like real life.", "It definitely walked a border there. Also a great contrast to the Frontmans insistence on keeping the games fair, as if they served some higher, holy purpose, and 69 guy rather getting his dick sucked than watching the grand finale play out. (Also, a rather ham fisted way to get him alone in the room with his server, but plot sometimes needs concessions).\n\nAlso there'sa bit of a difference between 69, the new guy, and the other VIPs who aren't as flamboyantly ignorant. I had the impression that 69 wouldn't be invited back even if the whole fiasco with his little escapade hadn't happened.", "It was a basic enough premise that made it appeal to everyone, with a huge amount of style in its presentation that made it look more novel than it actually is.\n\nThe cinematography, colour usage, shapes on the worker's masks, those MC Escher esque staircases, the room full of a million bunk beds, it's all pretty striking without use of a ton of CGI.\n\nPlus a lot of people I know have said they like that it's like a Hunger Games/Battle Royale type situation but with enough breathing room to allow for you to actually care about the characters and to build intrigue and sub-plots.", "I believe one of the actors in that scene posted on Instagram talking about how they were directed to be incredibly dumb and over the top. He even talked about arguing over the line >!\"Wow! That bridge is bigger!\" when shown the full sized bridge after the scale model.!<\n\nI'm not a fan of that directing choice if that's the case, but it doesn't seem to be the case that the actors were bad.", "A lot of the dialogue in general was kind of ass", "As someone who’s watched a lot of Korean shows and movies, the English-speaking characters are actually pretty well done by Korean show standards.\n\nThere have been some shows with some seriously laughable and terrible English speaking over the years, but the script writers are probably just using a consultant or a writer who they have to recruit in Korea. Can’t exactly land Aaron Sorkin or something, their options are severely limited, and likely their budgets are a lot smaller.\n\nThe same is true for bringing in foreign actors. Their talent pool is basically foreigners residing in Korea, and sometimes they have zero acting experience, they just can speak fluent English. A friend of mine actually got cast in a K drama some years back for his English speaking alone, and the writers actually asked him if the dialogue they wrote sounded right. It didn’t, and so they rewrote it based on his recommendation alone.", "Squid Game in general was a very generic and not very good Korean show. It just happened to go viral with caused this crazy obsession with it.", "The vips were nowhere near bloodthirsty enough. And far too removed from the action. I thought it was the most underdone part of the series. Especially when the rest of the brutality was full on. \n\nThey could have had them paying more to be in the jumpsuits and masks shooting contestants etc", "This is an interesting part of the article. One of the guy’s who plays a VIP said this:\n\nAdditionally, Kennedy says that all the acting on Squid Game – and in Korean drama in general – is deliberately heightened, something non-Korean viewers might have missed. “Whether they’re watching with a dubbed or subtitled version, people who don’t speak Korean don’t have the understanding needed to fully judge a Korean actor’s performance. What might be cartoonish or broad about them is lost in translation, whereas the VIPs had no such luxury”.\n\nYou can see the heightened over the top acting from the main character in many of his early scenes of the show. He becomes less over the top as the show goes on.\n\nI guess it’s important to remember that living in a culture not originally theirs has rubbed off on them and even though they aren’t native Korean, they’ve been there long enough to act like they are without even noticing.\n\nTo Western audiences, these men are acting wildly over the top, to South Korean’s that’s what tv looks like.\n\nfrom /u/DrengisKhan on /r/television", "> I had the impression that 69 wouldn't be invited back even if the whole fiasco with his little escapade hadn't happened.\n\nthe other VIPS even ask who he is/who invited him after his sexual comments so i can see that logic", "> And the dumb voting scene/s where the old man (which is a fucking ridiculous decision when you see how his character unfolds)\n\nthe voting scene helped adding more weight to the show and the games, they all came back willingly since outside sucked so hard for them\n\nthey say in the last ep or so \"i did not trick anyone\", so him not stopping the games there would go against that spirit \n\n id say there were some trickery involved as pointed out in different analysis vids", "Did you actually read the most dangerous game?", "Perhaps their drawn out enunciating was for the benefit of the Korean frontman similar to when English tourists often simplify and speak slowly around people in non-english speaking countries. From the literature he was reading in his apartment to the way he spoke, the frontman was clearly well educated. I felt this served to highlight the VIPs ignorance, that there exists a cultural inequality and how the west generally views themselves being above the east.", ">Additionally, Kennedy says that all the acting on Squid Game – and in Korean drama in general – is deliberately heightened, something non-Korean viewers might have missed\n\nI noticed, and it's pretty bad. It just isn't for Western sensibilieties. It's not theatre, so that acting is really jarring.", "It was probably just poorly written or translated lines. You generally don't have any problem reading the subtitles fast enough, atleast if you live in a country where subtitles are commonly used.", "It almost felt like pantomime. I liked it, honestly. \n\nEverything else in that room was unbelievably gaudy and tacky, with the human furniture and the outrageous gold masks. Why not the dialogue and the delivery as well?\n\nWeirdly, it reminded me of the band The Knife. English dialogue written by non-native speakers, stilted and oddly pronounced, but more interesting for it. It adds to the idea that these VIPs are so far removed from normal existence that they've almost forgotten how to be human, being so astronomically wealthy.", ">!The old man had done an untold amount of these. He knew many would come back. In the last episode he uses the fact they came back willingly to justify himself.!<", "I read a snippet from one of the actors that they were told to ham it up by the director. The actors even raised issues with the dialogue but were told to go through with it.", "The entire story arc involving them felt out of place.\n\nI mean I get that they were included to drive the meaning of the show home, but they could have honestly cut out literally everything to do with the millionaires and the show would have been way better for it.\n\nJust mention that millionaires are watching and betting on everything. Or, hell, just have it be revealed in that exposition scene at the end.\n\nThere really was no need to introduce the VIPs with like three episodes to go and focus so damn much on them. Or at all.", "I also notice that English sounds weird coming from English speaking actors in Asian films/shows. It felt like it was mixed weirdly.", "Pretty sure the main American guys were native english speakers, but just bad actors, likely cast, written for, and directed by non-native speakers.", "I have no qualm over the 69 lone, think of how many people would bet on that or even 420 for the “lol” factor of it. It even helped show how much these people really don’t value these people and how bored and hedonistic they are. I also get playing it over the top considering its a South Korean show with the millionaires being English speaking.\n\nBut man alive did that bridge line and how stupid they could be was a bit too much. Like he could have been surprised by just how much bigger it was, but nope it’s surprise that it is bigger.\n\nThough to be fair it could have been Korean lines feed into google translate, or even with English being a rarely used second language they may have missed a few contextual uses.", "Nice!", "This is exactly as I understood it and I enjoyed the VIP scenes. Made the games that much more twisted.", "Lol pretty well played", "Told my friends who were raving about SG to watch Kaiji, doubt any will. They are missing out, absolute Gem.", "that 69 joke was stretched wayyyy too thin", "Nice!", "I think it's more that goofy effect they sorta put over every south korean movie that goes international (not all of them of course but), that touch of overacting, there's a different feel to it for sure.\n\nKinda like anything from Bollywood, there's a flavour to it for sure, and it's tasty.", "Yep it's stylized for sure, and I kinda wish that it wasn't.\n\nBut hey, great series.", "> It was probably just poorly written or translated lines. \n\nThat does not affect the delivery of the lines. The delivery was very slow, with a slightly-too-long gap between each sentence. Either they got non-actors to do it, or they directed the actors to do it strangely.", "if only real life suffering would stop when 50+% vote to stop...\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI agree though that you aren't supposed to like the celebrities, just as you are supposed to not really like the protagonist\n\nEvery character was portrayed very over the top, to make it clear what you are supposed to think about them. Almost no subtleness at all. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nI mean, \"the smart childhood friend\" (Xan-Yoo?) is shown so often as a bad character, from the absolute get go. Yet when he kills the northkorean lady in the end, not only is the neck wound shown over and over again, not only does the camera pan over and focus on him...noooo that isn't enough. Maybe someone still hasn't realized that he killed her, so the camera has to pan down and focus on the bloody knife for a few seconds.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI enjoyed the show, almost devoured it with my wife in 3sittings (unusually high watchtime per sitting for us...) but it really has a lot of bumps and edges and plotholes.", "Japanese movies and tv shows are the same way. They take a theater approach, where everything is exaggerated and hamfisted.", "Reminds me of white people in Jackie Chan movies with their heavily dubbed voices", "Also the cadence.", "I wanted to see one of the VIPs attempt to drink their wine with the mask on. A challenge as fiendish as any faced by the contestants.", "Its a solid 7 to me. I understand why people watch it, bc I had to finish it when I started it. But to say it's good after doing so is a whoooole other thing that I completely disagree with.", "The only thing that stops them from being interesting, compelling, or even believable people is the bad writing.", "It's exactly this", "The problems in the plot grow and grow from the very first episode and take you out of the show more and more as time goes on. Unfortunately any and all issues with the logic or the characters will be excused as intentional criticism of capitalist societies. It isn't even a decent criticism of capitalism. It's more of a shotgun blast at human nature.", "I think it works to drive home how out of touch and un-intelligent the higher class can be. Like Bezos or Zuckerberg. Having that cringe and bad speaking works with that.", "Tarantino (and many American productions) are also guilty of this. Specifically when French actors spoke French in Inglorious Basterds.\n\nIt remember the scene in the cinema where they spoke this badly translated French and as a francophone, it was cringy AF", "69....nice", "I just didn’t like how on the nose it was.\n\n\nEverybody was talking about how “oh it’s an allegory for late-stage-capitalism” so I was like cool okay. Then I watched it and I’m just like “oh… they’re literally fighting to the death/for their lives to be the last one with money.” It’s so un-subtle. And then all that shit at the end is just like… such a bad “bored rich people need more stimulation” trope that I never really thought made sense in the first place anyways.", "They were trying to fill the spots where their mouths are moving with weird talking", "[Fucking hot dogs for sale! Fuck yeah!](https://youtu.be/_0dTG1_x-K8)", "Treat the show like a live action anime and the drawn out expositions and voices make a lot more sense.", "But then we wouldn’t have got tiger boob headrests!", "Do you speak Korean? I’ve heard the translation to English was not great", "I think they got very poor/amateur actors who just happened to live in Korea to do it. Travel during the last 18 months has been a bit hairy.", "They probably also just happened to live in Korea and have visas 🤷‍♂️", "My justification was that wouldn’t the insanely rich people who watch people die for sport be so eccentric and out of touch that they’d talk like that? Why would the show want us to relate to them in anyway. Their masks are weird, their desires are weird, their background is weird, why wouldn’t they talk weird too?\n\nI'd go as far to say their acting kept me invested and immersed me in the story.", "Native speakers with poorly translated dialogue I think.", "Really? I'm French Canadian and didnt noticed they were speaking weird (except for Landa of course). However, George St-Pierre at the begining of Winter Soldier was really weird.", "Moi itou! C'est la scène quand Shoshana et son amoureux qui parlent dans le cinéma mais j'ai été incapable de trouver un clip sur YouTube de ladite scène. Bref, c'est horrible comme dialogue.", "I honestly think the english speakers were the best english speaking actors they could find. They sucked so bad.", "The dialogue and most of all the actors who played the vip's was so horrible!", "I thought it's more like those billionaires have no empathy and as such treat human lives as numbers.", "As a native hindi speaker.. I’ll never understand how they mangle the language where actors are native speakers too.. maybe they want to save a few $ by not paying the actors to dub audio?", "https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips\n\nThis article is pretty insightful about these actors who have been getting a lot of criticism it seems. Usually for K-dramas like this they obviously need local talent but I think the worst part about cases like this as is explained is that the English lines are usually translated by non-natives or Google translated.", "Exactly. I feel like hating them was kind of the point. Looks like the writers achieved their goal.", "I remember seeing that in an interview one of the actors said they were specifically told to talk like that. Apparently its easier for foreign people to understand.", "Well if you were listening to the dub you didn't hear the actors. In the Korean track they sound fine", "Thank you. I feel like a lot of people are missing the point. We are invited into the trials and tribulations of the players in order to form a connection with them. The life or death games have us on the edge of our seat. Then, the curtain drops and it’s revealed that this is all for the purpose of entertaining some rich idiots. I feel like people were hoping for something more behind the scenes but it’s a good metaphor for life. We’re all just pawns to these people.", "Well I definitely picked it up from the one lady who kept talking smack all the time.", "SPOILERS: The series definitely took a down turn after they showed up... all in all the series fell flat for me- it was visually stunning and kept my attention, but aside from one major twist was pretty predictable and not as deep as some are making it out to be.. I hated the end, but I guess it's in Gi-hun's nature to neglect his parental duties. Dude doesn't know how to stop when he's ahead", "I loved how all the records of the game in that room have it clearly labeled as squid game and are all korean contestants, then in the glass bridge the VIP's are taking about how they love having Korea host this one. Then in the final game the one VIP is like \"squid game? What's that?\" And the front man has to explain it. Never explained why or how the brother became the front man", "That's fucking hilarious", "NYT interviewed some of them. The lines were very likely written by non-native speakers. I suppose the directing also was non-native, and they probably didn't have the experienced ear to tell if the English speaking felt natural or not.", "I think this was it. It was clear the English speaking in the millionaire's scenes was from the original Korean version and not overdubbed like the rest of the Korean actors. They dumbed down and slowed down the dialogue for the native Korean-speaking audience. Also, they weren't exactly A-List actors.", "Sub or dub?", "This was a better performance than the original. I was really enjoying Squid Game, but those VIP bellends really jarred the experience for me.", "because season 2", "Aggressive marketing, that's all.", "Oh no did you watch it dubbed?", "MY CUSHION!", "Honestly I think it was there more for a plot device for the guy looking for his brother as well as hammering home the little VIP twist at the end.", "It's because they're not actors. In Asian films when you need a westerner, you just grab the nearest white guy and put him in your movie. Locals won't know the delivery is bad because they don't speak English.", "Yeah you're absolutely right", "Pretty sure they just got cheap western actors that work in korea, judging by the quality of the English dub i dont think they spent much on the English speaking actors. Besides Koreans are probably going to find it quite hard to even notice. I dont know how you'd have a bad Korean translation for a show that was made by Koreans but maybe, ive see some pretty bad translations before.", "Why? Seems like a normal chill everyday American.", "And they aren't given any context as to where it fits within the show - so its basically turn up - say these lines with no direction and hope for the best.", "Nub.", "Yeesh, it doesn't sound like VIP 4 was doing much acting.", "The whole show sort of falls apart once you look back on it.\n\nWhat was the point of the police officer in retrospect?! I kept waiting for him to wash ashore with a bullet wound, and gather the police or military to take down the game. Nope. He was completely pointless, and the show would have been exactly the same without him.\n\nRemember how they killed the doctor contestant and the guards collaborating with him harvesting organs for cheating and giving an unfair advantage? All contestants must be treated equally, they said. But then Gi-hun cheats in the marble game, breaking one apparently fundamental rule of the game, against the game's creator, no less, and he's rewarded?! Because the founder was having fun?? It makes no sense, and is inconsistent with what we're told earlier in the story.", "I wish they had made the VIPs shadowy figures watching from the side lines. Maybe a screen above them that shows them placing bets on various players.", "This was by far the worst part of the series. I almost stopped watching, I would have if it wasn't for people falling to their deaths in between the terrible dialogue", "where to watch kaiji? love the manga", "And Korean TV apparently had a culture of heightened acting, and the VIPs were sitting really far apart, so they had to say all their lines really loudly.", "When watching I assumed that bridge line was supposed to be dry joke", "AU REVIOR SHOSHANA!", "I typically don't finish tv series, notoriously I make it to the episode before the season finale and quit. I finished all of Squid Game though and go back to rewatch a few parts. I can't really say what it is that appeals to me so much. Even if the ending and the twist hadn't been spoiled for me before I even started it, the winner of the games is obvious from the start. It wasn't a master piece by any stretch, I'd probably rate it a 7. I just really liked it a lot.", "The English captions don't even remotely match the dubbing. It's really weird.", "Part of me wondered if the acting was just as bad from the Korean cast, but the fact that it's in another language, disguises it. The older irritating lady was noticeably not a good actor.", "Portraying westerners from the K-drama perspective is a great break from Hollywood. It would be nice to have a fluent speaker in the editing studio for the english-speaking scenes for quality control though.", "Yeah it seemed satirical to me. Found it a bit weird how mad everyone got about it, especially when you consider it was a Korean production so the idea they'll ace the English speaking bits seemed a bit misjudged.", "Did you watch it after the hype? There's your problem. Hype will never help you enjoy something.", "The police plot isn't over, it's a literal cliff hanger that happened on a cliff. \n\nAnd the fact that the game is unfair is the whole point of the show. Capitalism is not a meritocracy. And tricking your opponent isn't cheating anyway, the only rule was aqcuire all marbles non-violently.", "> foreign \n\nNative.", "The thing is, it's not even much of a caricature. Anyone can name real-life millionaires whose manner of speaking and love of wealth are as cartoonish as those presented in Squid Game.", "The higher economic class can be unintelligent, but will skew to be more intelligent than lower economic classes in capitalist democracies, and particularly for the U.S. following WWI. There was a realization by the US military that IQ (or soon to be labeled as such) was one of the highest indicators of success. This gave rise to standardized testing meant to lift the intelligent yet impoverished to higher socioeconomic levels and to places of management - something that had predominantly been relegated to wealthy families. Private industry followed suit.\n\nCapitalist societies will always have an inherent drive to promote based on merit, because that's best for people at the very top of a company and many times best for everyone else too. IQ is one of the strongest indicators a person will experience measurable success.\n\nOne might argue that generational wealth would muddy those waters and there's evidence of that. But then there's also the counterpoint of intelligence being genetically linked, which would logically preserve it; but I think the jury is still out on that one.\n\nIm not sure I'd refer to either Zuck or Bezos as being unintelligent.", "It took 2s when they first started talking until i noticed that and said that to my wife. I said that its could be because its hard for korean directors to transfer the cultural behaviors and way of talking of korea to apply to americans and western people. They just seemed very unnatural.", "Aka Spanish in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul lol", "Yeah..otherwise known as Anime. The whole yelling and exaggerated ends of words thing is obnoxious whether it's animated or not and the main character and the sloot both do it a shit ton. Squid Game might as well be an anime.", "Unpopular opinion but I didn't find anything wrong with how exaggerated and unapologetically degenerate the guys acted. That guy was more memorable than most of the cast.", "Thanks for writing this. This is a universal problem and i guess the solution would be to engage people from the \"other\" country to help out with making the acting and characters behave according to culture and background. Expensive though.", "From the moment she first appeared, I thought, \"I hope I get to see her tits in a bathroom while she's smoking.\" I guess we all had that thought though.", "> say these lines with no direction and hope for the best.\n\nAnd somehow they all landed on Skyrim NPC as their \"direction\"", "It's bad. If it's not and someone native to those regions would honestly argue that prime film and tv needs more of people announcing their motivations and delivering lines like a clown....I don't think I'd care!", "Watched it with both and kept switching to the original audio and back. If you have no problems with subs, then go for them. The translations are not as bad as some of the dubs", "The terrible dialogue was 2nd worst part. The worst part was that terrible ending. Last episode should have been cut in half and combined with the second to last episode. That ending was soooooo bad just to set up a sequel.", "I agree. Same feeling for me. It was ok though and thats what matters for me.", "[Here's a pretty good article about it.](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips)\n\nThe basics of it are:\n\n- The lines were written by non-native English speakers so the words were kind of off. For example, one guy says \"I'll give anyone some slack\" when it should have been \"I'll cut anyone some slack\". The weirdness of the cadence shifts you out.\n\n- They only knew that they were \"dirtbag billionaires\" which led to scripts like \"I bet on 69 because I liked the number!\". Which, let's be honest, is not a line you would naturally underplay.\n\n- The Korean actors were actually being a bit broad with their acting as well but you don't notice because you're reading subtitles. The editors probably went with the more outlandish performances of the english speaking actors as well but it only comes off as cartoony because you can finally understand what the actors were saying.", "Gus speech during Eladios death comes to mind lol", "I have been waiting for someone to say it. They are the most poorly written and acted characters I have ever seen.", "Being wealthy doesnt have negative correlation with intelligence. In fact, intelligence is one of the highest correlating indicators of future economic status. So, they might be soulless, but generally speaking, people who reach those levels of wealth and power are pretty intelligent.", "> insanely rich people \n\n> Their masks are weird, their desires are weird, their background is weird, why wouldn’t they talk weird too?\n\nAlso one of the most influential film makers and actors in history had similar scenes about Western Elites/Secret Society. [rich Manhattan society ... which has parallels with Joyce's Ulysses in Nighttown and Scorsese's \"After Hours\" ... 'The masked figure who rules over the proceedings has ominous presence, as does the masked woman who warns Dr. Bill he is in danger. This sequence has hypnotic intensity.](https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/eyes-wide-shut-1999)", "> Remember how they killed the doctor contestant and the guards collaborating with him harvesting organs for cheating and giving an unfair advantage? All contestants must be treated equally, they said.\n\nTo be fair. They were killed, hung, and exposed, for giving the doctor an advantage. The guards could be corrupt of course, but the master or whatever tried to keep it 'fair'\n\n> But then Gi-hun cheats in the marble game, breaking one apparently fundamental rule of the game, against the game's creator, no less, and he's rewarded?!\n\nI think you're conflating 'fair' in the sense of \"All equal\", with taking advantage of the circumstances. Nobody was supposed to be treated differently from others. But within the games themselves they were up to their own devices. Like pushing people, hiding behind them and such. But nobody was given immunity for example, or more tools than the others. Not from the master at least.\n\nI had a lot more trouble with how bad and outlandish some of the acting was. The characters were so cliché you knew what was going to happen from the 2nd or 3rd episode already.", "We watched the first episode and my weeb partner couldn't stop talking about the comparisons between it and an anime he'd seen.", "> Capitalist societies will always have an inherent drive to promote based on merit, because that's best for people at the very top of a company and many times best for everyone else too. \n\nImagine actually buying into capitalist mythology like this, especially in a thread about a show that is directly critiquing that absurd belief.", "The westerners scene felt like a bad school play with everyone bellowing their lines. I liked the masks though.", "Same as what happens the other way when American movies try to portray Korean or really any foreign culture. Defaults to over the top stereotypes that no one in that culture actually recognises.", "[Celle-ci?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS1IG8hw73A) Ce n'est pas si grave.", "Est-ce cette scène? \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-7U3jIigI", "[No nationality is safe](https://youtu.be/M0LfLk9lLEg)", "The police officer helped show more “behind the scenes”, and this wasn’t a movie and didn’t need a “happy ending” so him dropping off the cliff not knowing if he actually died or his messages got through, leaves it open ended for another season. \n\nThat was Il-nam’s last game. He was just having fun playing the games and winning, but knew he wasn’t going to play the glass bridge game, so he let Gi-Hun win. Seemed like he took a liking to Gi-Hun anyways. But you have it flipped with who was cheating. Il-nam knew all the games ahead of time, and had strategies to win them all.", "Yeah, all those classic samurai movies are bad cause the actors played it more like theater than western movies", "It's done worldwide by all accounts. Ultimately this is a Korean series, for, Korean audience, just by chance its well received worldwide.\n\nMarvel did the same in Black Panther, their Korean dialogue was apparently atrocious.\n\nSure there are plenty of other examples.", "It's a Korean drama, they always set up multiple plot lines like that to come back to later. Did you see the cop die? No we just assume he's dead. There's a 98% chance he comes back in s2 or s3 to kill his brother.\n\nAlso the only rule for the marble game was you could not take the marbles through cheating.", "Yeah if you want to take my opinion and apply it to any cherrypick you like go or it. I think it's given a pass by a global audience most of the time because that global audience are weebs.", "Hey the Skyrim NPCs ended up like Skyrim NPCs because they received little to no direction. It's a little harder when you have to record 10,000 unrelated lines without context for use throughout a game, though.", "Breaking Bad is perfect stop hating", "Ehh I don’t watch shows I don’t like and thought if so many people like it it must be bad, but I love Korean movies and a lot of the tropes from my favorite movies were in the show, as well as basically a mass shooting replication.", "I can only assume that this is how they feel when they hear Korean in a American movie. Lol", "Crunchy roll has it apparantly. Maybe check anime lab might be diff per country.\n\nIts on plenty of 'watch online' streaming sites if you don't want to pay a monthly fee.\n\nCurious if it does the manga justice (I haven't read it but should as it ends after the bog)", "Sounded like background dialogue in a video game", "What’s that", "It's pretty funny. I thinknits worth watching once that way.", "Is it Kaiji?", "I just googled it since I haven't heard of Kaiji. Those noses are, uh....something else lol. I'll give it a chance though!", "I highly recommend actually reading the article. It's a combination of many factors, only a tiny handful of which the actors had any kind of control over.", "Yeah. Watch Japan’s “Shin Godzilla” and many of the diplomat scenes appear to have been done in this way, or vice-versa (Japanese speaking in English). A lot of the actors are doing it on the side as well (aka not a lot of training), which plays a part as well.\n\nAll things considered, I think the actors in Squid Game did a decent job. They were still able to pull off a despicable quality which worked in their favor. Any wooden acting just made them look less empathetic.", "Yes, like I said, there was clear trickery out there \n\nSomeone pointed out that all men with guns were hidden until after game 1 was completed, just to hide the seriousness of the games", "Not quite true, at least in this case: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips", "Yep - Black Panther's scenes with Korean spoken had a bunch of Koreans making exactly the sorts of complaints people have made about Squid Game. Because it turns out when you have a bunch of people who don't speak a language try to edit together some scenes with that language spoken, they fuck up most of the time haha", "I think it was probably the terrible english dubs that made it so corny. I'm willing to believe it sounded much better in Korean.", "I watched the first Avengers film with some Russian dudes and they pissed themselves laughing at the Ian Holm/Scarlett Johansson interrogation scene\n\nSaid the translators hadn't really bothered making it sound like cohesive Russian, it was mostly baby talk", "Once definitely, but the Korean actors do such a good job acting the dub really doesn’t do them Justice.", "In this case they weren't - says in the article", "All credit to Ari Aster, Midsommar was great in this respect. They picked well-known Swedish actors and had some really good Swedish dialogue. It wasn’t flawless but definitely the best depiction of “local acting” in an international movie that I’ve ever seen.", "I personally don't know any mega wealthy people.", "I mean, it felt like someone translated some Korean to English. It was people speaking your native tongue in a foreign film, of course it's gonna sound weird and out of place.", "We all get lost in Montreal… \n\nPeople who live there just couldn’t find the highway and finally gave up.", "I've only seen a handful of Korean films so take this with a grain of salt, but yea overacting seems not uncommon in my experience. Same with some Japanese productions for that matter. \n\nKind of like it's a stage play, where you have to sort of exaggerate your gestures and talk loudly so that people in the back of the theater can keep up. In general there's less subtlety to it.", "I think they will fix this for season 2 now there's so much scrutiny on it from Netflix perspective.\n\nThey will have more money and some English writers / editors to review o expect.", "I'll assume that the brother will sacrifice himself to help/save the cop in the final episode of Season 2 or Season 3.", "Yub Nub!", "I agree. The show should have been over after it faded to black. Everything after the \"one year later\" was just stupid.", "Neither do I. I’m talking about celebrities.", "The relevant paragraph:\n\n> “It’s different for every show, but non-Korean performers often act with dialogue that is translated by a non-native – sometimes even by Google Translate – so it can sound unnatural,” he says. While actors do have the freedom to fix clunky dialogue, it often happens at the last minute, and comes with plenty of restrictions. “And often we don’t have the scripts for the rest of the show,” he adds. “We are only given our scenes, so we have no idea of the tone.”\n\nSo yeah that will make things more difficult as an actor I imagine.. I know that directors sometimes leave an actor in the dark on purpose as to get a certain performance out of him/her, but preferably you want to know exactly what it is you're doing.", "Can you elaborate?", "It reminds me of [Kpop idol Wendy from Red Velvet speaking perfect english](https://youtu.be/ySaLdP_othI) but other Koreans couldn't understand her until she used a Korean accent.", "The source material of Alice in Borderline is a manga, so that makes sense.", "It's not really giving it a pass, but recognizing it's a different art form with different standards that needs to be critiqued differently.", "Oh no, are you a pretentious prick?", "I'm sorry, but I have to say something that once a wise person said:\n\n\"Nobody's perfect.\" \n\n- Hannah Montana.", "I really like alice in borderland", "I think the VIPS were always speaking English. I watched the subtitled Korean language version and they were still English, and their mouths matched the audio.", "Also, the main female char a north korean defector who has never had friends and came from basically hell on earth. \n\nIt wouldnt make any sense if she was friendly and outspoken.\n\nSoo... theres that.", "I did. It was bad, but no worse than most other dubs. I'm usually not able to pay 100% attention to the screen so I can't watch subs", "Now you understand what french people (and I guess many foreigners) feel when there are dialogues in their native language in an American movie (special mention for the last James Bond, the french scenes at the beginning were good)", "I thought they just meant compared to the bridge in the previous competition", "I think the tiger/69 dude was stranded in the Phillipines with his son due to Covid and was barely making ends meet when he auditioned", "It's definitely easy to blame the actors and forget the important role that writing & directing have in a performance.", "Sacre bleu!!!", "As a native spanish speaker, Gus always sounded like an american guy who knew how to speak spanish.", "I don't remember which scene is he talking about, but there where a bunch of them that felt like the English on SG", "Same-ish. He wasn't actually surprised or something. Just killing the silence that's all.", "I think they were referring to the other main female character. The gangster one.", "You know, it could be. It could just be because we are Native English speakers we miss that tone through it being drowned out through the over the top delivery of the other lines. Were we see over the top stupid it might actually have been dry humour or even “subtle” racism.\n\nOr we could be making mountains out of molehills by looking back at it and justifying. But I do like the idea of it being a caricature of him being racist or dry rather than stupid rich person.", "Giancarlo Esposito takes on the acting role of Gus Fring, a supposedly Chilean character. As such, he speaks Spanish in a few scenes, but for someone whose native language is spanish, it is quite clear that they didn't bother too much trying to make it sound credible. I mean no disrespect to him, since I believe he is an incredibly talented actor, but the dialogue sounded more akin to a text speech bot rather than a native speaker as the character is supposed to be.\n\nIn other shows like Narcos they used spanish speaking actors (with the exception of Pablo Escobar, but his Spanish was way better) and the difference was night and day.", "I liked the acting in those parts?? I didn't even know that this was a thing.", "I feel sorry for any Russians who watched John Wick or Daredevil season 1. I don't speak any Russian but I speak Japanese and the dialogue/acting in John Wick 3 and Daredevil season 2 were pretty horrible. They didn't even bother to hire native actors for most of the roles. Pretty sure they fucked up the Russian pretty bad too lol", "sounds like a cost to fix what is essential a non-problem", "ITT: Americans are shown a mirror and they don't like what they've seen.", "It was kinda painful to watch her (But perhaps that was partially the point?). In any case she was truly a freaking cartoon character.", "Yeah, that's the main vibe I got from the show. But I still like it nonetheless.", "It's like putting ketchup on steak. You can do it, and nobody can stop you, but you can't be surprised when people don't take your review of the steak quite as seriously.", "Sogeking would never", "The worst thing about Squid Game was everything about Squid Game. What plot there was was full of holes and contradictions. The acting was aggressively irritating (I realise this is apparently a Korean stylistic thing - that's fine, but personally the \"shouting almost all dialogue\" thing was almost intolerable). There were no sympathetic characters. The few times that built up a genuine emotional resonance were ruined by characters making stupid or incomprehensible decisions. \n\nI watched the whole series more out of morbid curiosity than enjoyment. I won't be rushing to watch a second.", "Definitely reminded me of when Birdbox was getting a ton of attention despite being a pretty shit movie. Can't help but feel like there was some guerilla meme marketing behind this one as well.", "i disagree. the capitalists are never the ones holding the whips.", "His spanish is really good but he has an english speaker accent.", "I felt like it was supposed to portray the casualness/callousness with which they were doing it. Like they're not even that interested in the whole thing, they just do it because they've been doing it forever like showing up for a superbowl party and barely paying attention. I feel like if they'd been more involved it would have been less interesting. I don't even mind that they were cringey old dudes, because honestly that's probably how it would play out.\n\nI think the actual worst part is the final twist with #001 in the last episode. I feel like it robbed us of the emotional impact of the marble game. It felt like the writer wanted to fully absolve Gi-hun/#456 of everything that happened, and to me it felt cheap.", "I witness it all the time in corporate America. Capitalism has its flaws and needs regulations, but it's inherently built on a competency heirarchy. If you can't see that, maybe you're overvaluing your competency.", "I think this was my favorite part of the show for exactly that reason. I'm not used to having the tables turned like that", "Yea but, who complains about that? Honestly", "> with the exception of Pablo Escobar, but his Spanish was way better\n\nI'd like to say that it's way better just because Giancarlo's was that bad, it was a low bar. Wagner Moura's spanish was not great and definitely took me out of it a couple of times, but if I remember correctly (haven't watched Narcos in a while) they kept his speaking to a minimum at least.", "It's obviously because they are not supposed to be real characters, they are meant to serve as a projection for the korean view of americans as crass, fat, unpleasant and morally corrupt.\n\nIf this was made with any other race, you'd see racism screamed everywhere.", "One day in the far future we will all look back with the perspective of age and finally come together as a species in agreement that the show was mediocre at best. Nice set design though.", "The problem isn't that people didn't understand it, the problem is it's so in the nose and there's no subtly. It's pretty much impossible to not understand that metaphor, but the dialogue and over the top acting was just awkward and stilted. \n\nYou could still accomplish conveying them as asshole manchildren without writing them like that. People would still understand and it could potentially even be better because you're not being hit over the head with \"GET IT THEY'RE BILLIONAIRES AND THEY'RE DUMB AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE CAUSE THEY'RE BILLIONAIRES CAPITALISM BAD\"\n\nThis is basically like arguing people didn't like Death Race because the metaphor went over their head. This entire premise has been done so many times before. No one was missing the point.", "I thought about that at first, but noticed that all the VIP masks were open below the nose to accommodate drinking/eating.", "So many films these days pretend to care about \"diversity\" and all that while they straight up choose actors just based on their skin colour and don't give a fuck if they speak the language their characters are supposed to be native in. Do they spend so much money for CG that they can't even hire someone other than Google Translate to write the foreign language dialogue?\n\nEdit: downvoted for pointing out the hypocrisy and racism of the current state of Hollywood. I guess it's easier to ignore the problem and dismiss anyone who calls it out lol", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWipItq\\_9bk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWipItq_9bk)\n\nhis bit at about 5:00 is really good. I mean so is the whole video. Pitch meeting is great", ">The whole show sort of falls apart once you look back on it.\n\nKorean films like this often do.\n\nJust violence and plot twist after plot twist after plot twist.\n\nI find it gets repetitive and predictive once you figure out the premise.", "Same. I mean I liked the show and would recommend it to other people. But having said that I don't really understand why some people act like it's one of the greatest shows ever.\n\nI almost feels like a fad. It's hot right now but I wonder how many people still talk about it in a month or so.", "You're seriously going to acknowledge the role of generational wealth, and then try to handwave it away by saying \"well the rich families are just genetically superior\" with all the extremely sexist and racist implications that has? Not only that, but as Squid Game constantly points out, success under this system is very often arbitrary and based on little more than luck or screwing people over. The wealthy are more highly educated (which you seem to confuse for competency), but thinking that's why they're wealthy is getting cause and effect mixed up.\n\n[There has been mountains of research done about why meritocracy is a myth](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=meritocracy+myth&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart) that are a little more reputable than your insistence that you think your bosses are better than you.", "It would have been better if they were silent and just been mysterious observers. Ultimately the reason they were there spoiled the whole premise of the show. The whole thing was so that rich, fat bastards could bet on humans playing childrens games. I expected a bigger conspiracy.", "Also I wonder if in this situation they end up hiring poor actors unknowingly? I'd imagine that subtle difference in performance quality is difficult to pick up in a second language.", "I was enjoying Squid Game until the VIPs showed up, the whole thing just seemed so weird and forced.", ">And the fact that the game is unfair is the whole point of the show. Capitalism is not a meritocracy.\n\nThat's not all it is.\n\nThe game is a capitalist parable, but the society that led to them incruing great debt was more than capitalism, it was a full scale criticism of korean society, which has a lot of social control, cultural quirks etc.\n\nYou see this with the prominent criminals in the show, the north korean defector, the christian etc.\n\nKorean society = you're born into your circumstance mostly.\n\nThe game is indeed a parody of capitalism definitely. Everyone is equal in that everyone plays the same unfair game.", "I love Abenobashi. What a fun show.", "Mi-nyeo? I really don't think you could call her quiet or brooding haha. She pretty much wears it all on her sleeve.", "Yea, my first thought when the show jumped to one year later and he had not touched the money was why would he not help is daughter at all. Same for the kid in the orphanage. It took a year to go there and get him? Sheesh", "Well millionaires/billionaires are out of touch with reality so...", ">Like the writers don't really know western/American culture and so they attempted to be as over the top and on-the-nose about it.\n\nNah, this is just ... prejudice and xenophobia.\n\nIf it had been done in the West in reverse, we would hear cries of racism everywhere.\n\nThis is westerners being used as scapegoats to say something about korean society.", "Also less choice of available talent", "The whole VIP introduction felt bizarrely out of place aesthetically for me. Like a bad 80s movie rendition of Eyes Wide Shut that really undermined the overall tone. I still loved the show but that aspect fell really flat for me.", "It's not even non-English. Recently there was as show called Wild Bill in the UK and it was set in Lincolnshire. Lincolnshire has a very distinct accent, so it was very noticeable when all the \"locals\" had Yorkshire accents, and most of those were fake too.", "Can we give a round of applause for the Indian guy speaking Korean? He did a pretty good job.", "I can see how they might look pretentious, however. The dub version isn’t as good as just watching with subtitles in this one", "I feel like its the same with endings in korean films.\n\nThe series should have been over with the main character escaping or at most showing the old guy in a scene, but no, they have to painstakingly explain the plot so even the dullest can follow along.", "They do in a few scenes, I was watching out for it too but apparently they had just enough room.", "I saw them and was like, \"Hey, it's the 1% baddies from Archer and Armstrong!\"", "Thats why I didn't have much issue with that scene. They are so unapologetically degenerate", "That seems to be typical in korean series/films though.\n\nYou need that \"one more time for the dumb dumbs in the back\" endings.", "Non! Elle est dans le Hall d'entree du cinéma avec son acolyte et ils ont un dialogue vraiment affreux... J'arrive pas à le trouver", "A lot of it was to do with the fact it was a foreign language show, which immediately makes it exotic to Western audiences and although the concept wasn't original (the Hunger Games did it first) it was done with a pretty unique style. You couldn't help but find yourself rooting for certain characters.\n\nSo yeah, solid 7/10 for me.", "Non...", "What is this, a bridge for ANTS?!", "I got Zoolander vibes", "I once expressed a similar though regarding Mad Max and spent the next 15 minutes getting told \"you don't know anything, it is truly deep when you think about it\" 🤷", "Too much technical mechanics. The average person's head will explode thinking about it. Squid Game was simplified and easy for anyone to get.", "It was obvious it had nothing to do with the acting. It was the dialogue and was forcibly trying to ununciate every single sound", "In Korea? Plenty of people there speak English. The vast majority of younger people will at least be able to understand it.", "When I'm on the highway in Montreal a tiny part of my brain always thinks my car is going to fall off an incomplete section of the road.", "Yeah, but how many sound American when speaking?", "yeah if you know about japanese theater and the history of movies and anime from that beginning, it basically explains the difference between modern asian film", "I found it so predictable. By episode three you can easily determine what will happen throughout the entire series", "Can't have a thread without Reddit sucking his dick", "I'm pretty sure that was mostly the point....", "And I've just remembered what a gem Kung pow is.", "I don't entirely agree with your example in the first bullet. Only reason being that both \"cut\" and \"give\" are acceptable usages for the phrase. Here are two examples:\n\n\"This was his first time being late, so I cut him some slack.\"\n\n\"You shouldn't give her any slack, she's bound to take full advantage of it.\"\n\nBoth are proper here. But weirdly enough, it feels like \"cut\" is more often used when the person is requesting it, and \"give\" is used more when it's the person granting it.", "That line was one step away from him saying \"what is this a bridge made for ants?\"", "A stylistic choice is one thing. What leaves a foul taste for me is that this was the only queer representation in the entire show. Over-the-top, cruel, molesting, flamboyant monsters.", "Lol or narcos… the supposedly super authentic series that also apparently said ‘fuck it, south of the usa is all the same’ escobar’s colombian accent was awful, as were several others.", "My wife and I actually had a food stall guy act like that while we were Japan. He then told my wife’s local Japanese friend, “These dumb Americans like it when I talk like that.” Awkward laughs were had.", "In tone, totally. But when I switched from the English track to the Korean track with English subtitles it felt like 95% less like an anime. \n\nAt least as far as the voices were concerned. \n\nWhole thing still felt and looked like a live action anime adaptation.", "The tug-of-war scenes will be remembered for a long time.", "It physically hurt hearing \"The Swedes\" talk in Umbrella Academy...", "People yell unnecessarily all the time in movies and TV, I don't know why you guys are acting like it is specific to anime.", "It’s seems like a mixture of, that’s what they could find in Korea for actors and thinking most Koreans wouldn’t really notice. In American films it’s not like we notice when someone is speaking Korean strangely. It also kind of sounded like some of the actors were Russians trying to do American accents.", "Totally agree. The dub vo acting is VIP-quality acting.\n\nProbably the only dubs I've seen worth watching are ones that have big names attached to them like the English releases of Studio Ghibli films.", "At the end I was really left with \"what did I learn from this experience? What was it trying to teach me? Capitalism bad? I'm not really sure.\"", "I think you're being sarcastic, but it's true in terms of the evolution of moving pictures. Consider old American movies like \"A Streetcar Named Desire\" where the actors use the Transatlantic accent and speak very deliberately. Japanese film, like many things (coughfaxmachinescough) in Japan, resists evolution.", ">such a bad “bored rich people need more stimulation” trope that I never really thought made sense in the first place anyways. \n\nAfter finding about things happening IRL like Epstein's pedo island, it's not really that far fetched.", "I couldn’t hear em! And they didn’t subtitle it either! Like fuck!", "It seemed to me like most of the marketing came from word of mouth, I haven't seen any commercials or anything promoting the show.", "I felt like this scene didn't translate well to English and that it was mildly interesting that 69 was also a joke in Korea.", "No amount of translating is going to improve the dialogue about betting on \"69\".", "Nice!", "Watching this show is like spending time in /r/im14andthisisdeep.", "Or german in every 2000s show, they just got a bunch of white american actors read words they don't understand in a stereotypical tone.", "Name name name\n\nIf you have a good name to your product it can help it explode.", "[Someone talked about this over in the squidgame subreddit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/ppsrfo/squidgame_episode_7_discussion/hf2qdl9/) They were specially instructed to act like morons.", "This is amazing!", "WHAT ARE YOU DOING STEP BROTHER?!?!??!!?!", "Me too, I thought it was better than Squid Game", "[Someone talked about this over in the squidgame subreddit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/ppsrfo/squidgame_episode_7_discussion/hf2qdl9/) They were specially instructed to act like morons.", "I imagine it was probably hard to find any American actors in Korea on the low budget they were working with (not going to be able to hire any big-name actors) during a pandemic (can't fly anyone over). I think they just took what they can get.", "its really beautifull", "From r/korea. Very important to understand.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/q3376g/the_real_reasons_why_foreigner_actors_in_korea", "Je suis désolée, ça fait longtemps que je ne l'ai pas vu. Et je suis désolée pour mon mauvais français. Je suis en train apprendre.", "It was definitely a combination of horrible acting mixed with horrible writing for the VIPs. Had the entire show been as bad as those parts, it would have been unwatchable. That was by far the worst part of the entire show. I laughed out loud a few times when they opened their mouths.", "I think there are plenty of good anime TV show ones (Naruto, Dragon Ball, Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, etc etc), but live action movies almost always suffer, and animated movies seem to typically suffer as well unless extra care was put into them.", "Or, quite simply, it's just not their native language, so it will sound very amateurish or like a child wrote the lines.\n\nYou are overcomplicating it, in my opinion.", "This is such a good point for people to understand who don't realize it. When I watched that scene during Squid Game, I wasn't offended or disgusted. I thought it was kind of cute to see how Koreans view American speech patterns.", "Ne t'excuse pas l'ami, ton français est superbe (pour un non francophone).", "Is.. is this what racism feels like?", "Literally never see him mentioned unless it's in a movie related thread. What are you even complaining about?", "[This fucking fried rice STINKS!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZULengNxCkw)", ">It's bad.\n\nI like to think of it more like a different flavor.\n\nIt's a style of acting!! It's even present in western classics, like Sean Connery's performances in Goldfinger and From Russia.\n\nEdit: And like, that's James Bond doin' that, come on! 'Over-Acting' can be great.", "It's apparently a slightly different art. The dub has got to (try) and match the mouth movements, whereas the subs have got to be readable in the time it takes them to say the line.", "Every time they have a leading-man break out his \"fluent\" Spanish to show off his competency and it's a garbled mess my eyes want to roll back so hard my retinas detach.\n\nDawn-day ey-stah la neen-eh-yah???\n\nAnd then they have the Mexican character who apparently can't speak a lick of english despite living in Texas/Cali for 20 years, and his spanish is as heavily accented with english as other dude!\n\nCOME ON (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻", "I’m glad Dave Chapelle’s white man voice has crossed boundaries.", "God I have been watching Attack on Titan, and I love it. But my God, the \"heightened\" acting when a character is having an introspective emotional moment is soooo cringey. Like someone will be angry, and there voice will just be absolutely seething with rage that it almost becomes a parody. Like there voice will become a throaty gurgling mess as they get words out.\n\nLike a really bad Saturday morning cartoon villain, yet I'm expected to take this seriously and o just cannot. I find it so over the top I end up laughing at what should be a serious moment.", "squid game is good but so overhyped\n\nThe guy in this video deserves much more praise/fame", "The CD Projekt Red games suffer from the same problem where it sounds as if all of the dialogue was written in Polish and badly translated into English, but the English-speaking voice actors don't bother to make it sound more natural than the direct translation.", "Worst part? \n\nSubtitles. Like I'm reading a book, not watching a movie.", "As a non-Korean who lived in Korea a few years that's kind of how Koreans act anyhow, very expressive and dramatic in a good way usually. One famous Korean historian/cartoonist called them the Italians of Asia for this reason.", "He’s not wrong but has this chubby fuck ever been funny?", "When he asked the dude at the bank to lend him 10000 won, I thought he was going to put it back in the account to get the total to where it started then throw everything off a bridge", "> Literally the most obvious in your face \"metaphor\" you could possibly think of.\n\n> i FeEl LiKe A lOt Of PeOpLe ArE mIsSiNg ThE pOiNt", "I have no problems w the actors. Have huge problems w the dialogue and direction though.", "Giancarlo Esposito is a Danish-born Italian-American so it makes sense that his Spanish would sound very much like a second language.", "The German main character in season 4 is fantastic though, proper German actor and one of the good ones (we don't have many here...), I was so relieved.", "I feel like I'm the only one that enjoyed their performance. It seemed to convey the \"otherness\" of a foreigner speaking a language I didn't know, even though as a native English speaker of course I did speak it. In a production with more natural English, I might have related more closely with the VIPs, but because of the strange performance I was wholly alienated from them in a way that drew me even closer to the Korean characters. Sure, it wasn't an intentional choice according to the article, but I think it really worked.", "The entire ending of squid game sucked TBH. All it had going for it was really great character development. the actual plot was terrible.", "As a spanish speaking guy, all of breaking bad was hard to watch.", "Well I think that is how they imagine rich people in America interact in private and having been around a few they aren’t that far off", "that commercial exemplifies why I didn't really like many mariokart games after 64. You get hit by one thing and then the entire fucking roster hits you until you're in last place. constantly.", "Hello Christian.", "The sloot? What's a sloot", "Ha ha ha, capitalism.", "The only depiction of straight sexuality isn't really any better. I think the show doesn't really leave much opportunity for positive sexual encounters.", "Yeah I've never heard of this guy either, wtf", "Check out The Brass Teapot. Also better", "When you said \"very expressive and dramatic\" I instantly thought: 'Oh, kinda like Italians?'. Then I read the second sentence haha.\n\nIt's partially why I have a hard time judging the acting in Asian productions. Not only because of the language barrier, but also the cultural difference in how people interact. What may seem almost cartoon-ish in country A might be not weird at all in country B.", ">‘They didn’t just pick us up off the street!’\n\nI mean, to all intents and purposes they pretty much did. These guys aren't serious actors with heavyweight roles under their belts and almost certainly fell into it after traveling to Korea to do something else. They might have done a few jobs before, but they would have been more background scenery, or very limited/non-speaking roles.\n\nI lived out in Japan for over a decade where the situation is very similar. During that time, I was approached numerous times for television work and the odd extra part in films. I'm also the English voice on a Japanese brand of in-car navigation system, despite the fact that I consider myself to have a thin, nasal voice which isn't particularly pleasant to listen to. Why? Because some Japanese friend-of-a-friend asked if I could record it because he didn't know any other foreigners. Am I an actor? Fuck no. I was there as an IT consultant. My daughter who is half Japanese also used to get a lot of offers of child modelling because they love the blend of western and Asian features.\n\nWhen you read what these guys are in Korea for, one is an author (I used to also know an author in Japan who did bit part acting to earn a bit of spending money), one has some connection to film through videography etc. It's just how it works.", "Consistently funny.", "It's true. Watch the Goonies now, it's insufferable.", "I'm with you. The first few episodes were compelling as they set up the different pieces. But then very little of it actually came together.\n\nThe VIPs were flat without any interesting motivation or driving action.\n\nThe undercover cop's storyline hit a dead end without any real payoff.\n\nThey set up an elaborate chain of dominos in the first half, then just kicked some of 'em over and left others standing rather than giving us a satisfying whole chain of events.", "Yeah I couldn't stand that character, I actually fast forwarded her scenes. Turns out she can brood for minutes non stop and add nothing to the story.", "I felt like the point was that with an unorganized underclass you'll always be able to find people desperate enough that the rich can manipulate them into destroying eachother. And if the world is cruel enough, they'll even \"volunteer\" to participate.\n\nGi-hun is sympathetic only in as much as we're supposed to identify with him, only to eventually see him bend to the same forces as everyone else (the marble episode.) That's why giving him the emotional \"out\" in the final episode bothered me. \n\nBut maybe I misunderstood the point.", "A lot of anime has the extreme melodramy voice acting when someone is embarrassed, flustered. It usually works for laughs in a comedy series, but gets over the top anime trying to be very grim and serious.", "Yes, have you?", "I thought it was good cause it doesn't need to be a bigger conspiracy than that. The whole thing is a critique of capitalism, which has very simple obvious faults and bad guys. Why make it more complicated than that if that is your goal. Rich bored guys are bad cause they exploit everyone else for fun.", "I loved how Narcos was not afraid to include Spanish speaking actors and Spanish dialogue. In fact, the thing I didn't like about the first season was their insistence on shoehorning a white protagonist into the show. It wasn't as bad as Last King of Scotland, but I think the second season proved that it was completely unnecessary.", "Its a game to make the loser feel good. Needs a setting for random items regardless of what your rank in the race is.", "24 seconds... Where is his hand going??? 👀", "I believe they were all actually Americans who have been working as actors in SK for some time.", "Anime consistently has character's inner monolgues, other media doesn't rely on that as much. So it happens a lot more in anime than in live action TV and movies.", "> The acting and dialog in Eyes Wide Shut is night and day from that with the VIPs in Squid Game, come off it.\n\nCome off what? Who in this world would confuse the acting of two of the most famous actors in history (Tom Cruise) with the Korean actors? When I wrote my earlier comment message, I would never imagine anyone would confuse this, except your reply seems to suggest you are actually confused.\n\nFurther, the director specifically referenced them to mimic Donald Trump family [odd and acting mannerisms](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/squid-game-donald-trump-vip-b1936619.html). I think he made this choice because of 2021 audience, which the Eyes Wide Film 1999 wouldn't have had 5 years of nonstop Trump exposure.\n\n> come off it.\n\nAre you confused that it is being implied that Eyes Wide Shut was trying to mimic Donald Trump style and behavior? The association I made was \"rich people\" doing \"masks\" and acting odd/different. Often when people put on a mask, they are intending to behave outside their norm, The \"VIP participants\" even went to a special remote venue, which is in Eyes Wide Shut and Squid Games.\n\nFurther, did you see in my comment you are replying to that I wasn't only referring Eyes Wide Shut - but also James Joyce? That is a book, not acting/actors. Maybe that is why you are confused, thinking that only film was being referenced. I made no such exclusion and very specifically added the James Joyce reference to the quote. see also: /r/ThunderWords", "I don't know how commonly koreans speak english, but atleast I as a non native english speaker noticed the poor quality.", "Interesting. All I’ve seen is some try-hard, unfunny weeb not be funny.", "Yeah, I only learned enough of the language to take a taxi and order at a restaurant, so watching the show with subtitles it was nice to have a sense of what's said in those impassioned conversations.\n\nOne amusing thing was how often the Korean equivalent of F\\\\k in the show was translated into something banal like \"I don't like that\".", "I viewed them as a caricature. Definitely not my biggest issue with the series. It was clear there was something wrong with their lines and/or directing, as they ALL sucked uniformly.", "I didnt hate them for the reason the show wanted us to hate them. I hated the terrible acting and the goofy writting.", "They really sounded like background NPCs when you walk through a room in a game", "Degenerate gambler who has lost everything must do one last risky gamble to fix the mess he has got himself in.", "OH GAWD DAMN IT!!!", "Is it not possible that it was just bad writing?", "I don't agree. All three the finalists'mothers are presented in a favourable light. The main character is flawed, but not irredeemably so. Same for his ex. Both portrayed as loving their child. Pakistani dude and spouse: a kind caring empathetic person. The spouses who competed: flawed, but clearly loved each other.\n\nThe only characters clearly meant to be assumed queer are among the VIPs, and there is nothing meant to be sympathetic about them. That was a choice. We are in 2021. We are used to not seeing queer portrayals in TV or film, but this acclaimed show decided to go the ole-Disney villain route.", "Buddy, stop drinking the communist kool-aid. We are not all equal. IQ is a good predictor of success, and that is a fact. Of course, IQ depends on a lot of things, education being one of them. \n\nThere are unintelligent people in high places, sure. Many, even. Most are not, except where corruption goes unchecked.", "I would buy a fucking hot dog from this man.", "Sure, but that back story was created to justify her dark brooding character. The author wanted the cliche then created the character instead of creating an interesting character that may have had some dark brooding tendencies. Just because things \"make sense\" doesn't make it good, there are an infinite number of ways that character could \"make sense\" and the author chose one of the less interesting ones.", "I wonder if the writer had only focused on the game and then needed to stitch together everything else. Or maybe it was elevated by the acting. Because those parts were so fucking good", "Who made incomprehensible decisions during the game? I thought that part was done the best", "Honestly if this was an anime the dub would've been fine. It's just jarring when it doesn't match the mouth movements. \n\nI rewatching it dub with my mom, it still holds up.", "The spoken Japanese in \"The Man in the High Castle\" was like this too. Most of the Japanese cast actors aren't Japanese, so they sounded off to any native Japanese speaker.", "Thank you for posting this article - it really puts things into perspective for me.", "This had to be a very expensive production, no? They couldn’t afford a native English translator? Seems off. Hell, you could hire some 20-something (native)english teacher in Seoul for a few hundo a day.", "You can’t value-judge something that you have no cultural context for. That’s like saying Arabic or\nIndian music is “out of tune” when in reality they don’t use a western 12-tone scale or intonation. In fact it’s perfectly in tune in the scale they’re using, it just sounds out of tune to a western ear. \n\nIt’s the same with this. Over the top acting sounds dumb to us because we value understatement in western film and television, but in Bollywood or K drama or whatever, the metrics are very different and you can’t go in with an American mindset. Don’t forget that acting was not invented in America, it has developed differently all over the world…Noh and Kabuki theater have been around since the 14th century and are considered some of the highest eastern art there is, and still seem weird as shit to us because we have no context.", "Those are people who can be presumed to be straight, but their sexuality is not portrayed in the show. The only reason we guess they are straight is because them having children is plot relevant.", "That’s more of a sexual problem though, not boredom. Like, they’re compelled by sexual urges. The money just makes it easier to fulfill existing desires: they’d be the same if they were poor", "I think it's part of the whole \"heightened performance\" thing that Korean dramas do. It's interesting. I think the main problem is that as a lot of Korean media is becoming suddenly popular in the west, there are a load of westerners used to stuff produced under an American cultural hegemony suddenly being confronted with the fact that foreign countries have different styles in their media.", "Some of them not caring much is the point. Rich people betting on horse races don't care as much if they lose. They are so rich they are disconnected.", "I had no issue with the intent of portraying the bad guys as stupid Americans, but the writing and acting for them was atrocious.\n\nI imagine, however, that there's similar problems when American shows do foreign languages.", "I think the big one is editing. If you don't speak a language very well, it's really hard to choose which cut to use.", "ProZD skit on /r/videos you love to see it", "lol how many good american actors do you think are available outside of the US? fkn moron", "Yeah IDK what that means", "Then you have mfs like Wagner Moura who learned to speak spanish just to play Pablo Escobar and nailed it.", "Better call Saul has Lalo Salamanca and that's a 10/10 cast for a Mexican character", "Yeah I agree with this take. I didn't find them too bad because I kept in mind the context that they were English characters being written for an Eastern audience", "> Wagner Moura's spanish was not great\n\nHis Brazilian accent was so thick and noticeable. I don’t speak Spanish but I spent a lot of time with Brazilians in my local BJJ club. I knew it just wasn’t right.", "I read the article, and none of it explains their line delivery. Yeah, fine, they had to speak a bit louder because of the distance between the VIPs. Lots of other characters had to speak loudly because of distance too, and they sounded fine.\n\nAnd they had masks on, but that would muffle the sound, not affect their delivery. Not that badly, anyway.\n\nMany of these problems exist in English media too, yet actors can overcome them.", "That's cool... You're right...not every show has to have a complex conspiracy behind it. To me I felt like they built this amazing world and some of the best acting I've seen in a show. But it seems like hundreds of people being murdered every year for decades should have had a bigger payoff.", "I mean, the Bezos-Shatner conversation that went around a few days ago. Just put a gold mask on Bezos.", "you seem well adjusted and happy with yourself.", "Same with the editing. The editors didn't know which takes would sound more natural so they'd pick ones for other reasons.", "Oops! Better make it 96 now! cackles", ">Marvel did the same in Black Panther, their Korean dialogue was apparently atrocious.\n\nI mean, maybe the delivery was, I don’t speak Korean, but the text itself wasn’t that bad.\n\nThat’s not the case in Squid Game. You don’t need to speak English to see how ridiculous the dialog was. Even if you just read the subtitles, the lines were laughably bad.", "Survivor's remorse.", "i like to scroll through r/movies to find these sort of pretentious \"professional critic\" comments from time to time but I was treated to one on r/videos. Thanks for saving me some time today!\n\ni'll throw my vote in the the acting/dialogue/\"intent\" was awful hat.", "I felt like that was pretty obviously the premise from the start. The money has to come from somewhere. Someone clearly put all those people in those situations to get some enjoyment out of it.", "I agree. Also I thought the two young female characters were extremely sympathetic, especially during the marbles game. That was the most emotional part of the series for me.", "What’s fuck in Korean?", "Ah yes the \"I've never heard about it therefore it doesn't exist\" trope.\n\nSigh.", "But the problem with those dialogs in Squid Game wasn’t just the delivery.\n\nEven if you didn’t speak English and was reading the subtitles in your own language, those lines were laughably bad.", "Not sure the meaning of the word but it’s pronounced something like sheball, it sounds a lot like the Korean word for 18 so edgelord kids write 18 everywhere.", "Just needed her hair dyed blond and it wouldve been complete.", "Same I really enjoyed it too, but it was waaaaay more \"anime\" than Squid Games. \n\n\nThe one character was textbook broody mysterious anime character especially when he was introduced just casually watching the slaughter in the apartment game and then being like \"GuEsS iTs My TuRn 2 JoYn3\" and basically not even being useful or good. \n\n\nOther than him I liked most characters, but a lot of everything was very over the top so I understand why some people wouldn't like it compared to Squid Games which felt a bit more mature than Alice.", "To me it just made it feel like even more of an authentic foreign film experience. Like the fact that it's not catered to a western audience makes me appreciate it more. And if you were a Korean person watching you wouldn't care.", "They felt like anime characters with cheese dialog.", "One of the fundamental rules of TV and movies; don't assume someone is dead if you haven't seen the corpse.\n\nWhich reminds me, when is season 4 of Stranger Things coming? Is it even still coming?", "The lack of self-awareness of presumably native english language, presumably white people whining and nitpicking about some unnatural representation of their ethnic group is both hilarious and despair-inducing.", "> It is very close to an anime, but not so obnoxious that it makes the show unwatchable for me.\n\nThat's cause if it were an anime, dialogue would be like\n\n\"Gi-hun! Listen to me and we will make it out of here alive.\"\n\n\"Sang-woo? Hng! Guh! Tshh!\"\n\n\"We cannot have 001 on our team. We won't survive\"\n\n\"Hrguh?! Leave 001? Guh-huh...\"", "Oh they fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuucking", "clearly it's a problem", "Ironically, the acting in that scene is phenomenal.", "> that back story was created to justify her dark brooding character. The author wanted the cliche then created the character instead of creating an interesting character\n\nDo you have a source on that or are you speculating?", "I recommend not watching Sweet Home then.\n\n(I liked Alice in Borderland, Sweet Home is even more extreme.)", "The main character overacted the whole show (didn't bother me, story is king in my book) I think their industry is just in the infant stages and will evolve in to more subtle acting. Their actors are like Hollywood actors pre-brando.", "I dunno I think it showed that the VIPs weren't even that invested in the show. They emphasized it too much though, should have been more throwaway.", "I didn’t read the ending as him “neglecting his child.”\n\nI read it as him being so riddled with guilt over the games that he couldn’t even live his life anymore. He didn’t want to touch that blood money and he had lost all faith in humanity after watching people act like animals and kill each other over money.\n\nOnce the scene with the old man happens, he witnesses the homeless man being helped at the last second and it restores his faith in humanity. But his phone call with the Front Man taunting him made him realize that he couldn’t live his life knowing there would be others going through the same torture he went through; that’s why he doesn’t get on the plane. He’s clearly going back to the games in an attempt to stop the cycle of suffering, the same way that random person stopped the homeless man’s suffering.\n\nThat’s how I saw it, anyway.", "> acting on Squid Game – and in Korean drama in general – is deliberately heightened, something non-Korean viewers might have missed. “Whether they’re watching with a dubbed or subtitled version, people who don’t speak Korean don’t have the understanding needed to fully judge a Korean actor’s performance. What might be cartoonish or broad about them is lost in translation, whereas the VIPs had no such luxury”.\n\nThis actually explains a lot. I found a ton of the characters annoying. Especially the woman who just yells in practically every scene. If shes supposed to be hamming it up, or whatever they mean by \"heightened\" then at least it was intentional and not just bad acting.", "really? i thought it was spot on. lmao.", "At least they try to speak German when they're being made to speak German.\n\nAlmost always when an actor or actress is made to speak Dutch, even with the bad pronunciation, you can just tell the words they've been given are German.", "Agreed, as much shit as they're getting it wasn't THAAAAAAAT bad. It was bad, but I feel like people are exaggerating it a bit too much. I feel like it kind of went with their characters too, they're people literally betting on human lives, we shoudn't be trying to identify with them, they're alien to us and they're alien in the context of the show too, they're foreigners to the country, the games, and general ethics/morality. \n\n\nI'm kinda curious if for some people it's borderline personal offense being westerners and being portrayed as so stupid. I'm American and I dunno, I've heard people talk like the execs and in even weirder ways in person.", "oh god yes, it's insufferable", "I saw some great commentary on why this was the case. \n\nSome reasons include:\n\n* actors had very little context for why they were there\n* actors were sitting very far apart from eachother\n* many takes taken, but editors (Korean speaking) didn't know which were better ones, due to their lack of deep English knowledge \n\nThere was other info also, but I can't remember the rest!", "Years ago I saw 'Dorks and Damsels' on some off channel late night in the US before it was even named 'Dorks and Damsels' or had any sort of dub over. It was still called Astrópía... and had it's Icelandic actors voices. The subtitles I think were done by something similar to google translate. Want to talk about confusing... Icelandic is full of colloquialisms that simply don't translate well without being completely rewritten.", "This is as appropriate a place as any to drop this video\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOvBo6zXUG0", "Sure, but there is at least a sign that they have interest in opposite sex partnership. There is no indication of them harbouring same sex attractions, and when such attractions are debated ( the two girls in the marble game, or even Pakistani dude and his match-up in the marble game), they are dismissed. I agree they don't suffice to count as queer representation, but shippers gonna ship. The only unarguable queer representation in this show was jaguar mask.\n\nAnd no, casual representation doesn't require a motive to exist. The straight representation is there as an assumed default. Without questioning whether it has sufficient motive to be displayed. My issue is not that the straight relationships are portrayed. My issue is that the only queer representation is so distasteful it harkens back to Hays Code.", "I don't speak Spanish but even I could tell how bad his Spanish was. The cadence was so unnatural.", "I don't blame anyone for not wanting to watch it. It's super drawn out and they explain stuff too much. The manga's much better.", "Uh I watch the Goonies nearly every year and it's an absolute delight. Insufferable is probably the last word I'd use to describe it.", "Felt like videogame dialogue when you're on a stealth mission.", "if you seen hunger games and battle royale you already know the formula, no spoilers needed. same dead horse, different stick", "Stepping on the beams isn't part of the rules so they definitely would've been shot if they tried that. Still, I do love me some Pitch Meetings lol.", "This is definitely one of the times where the problem wasn't really the actors as much as writing and direction tripping over language and culture differences.\n\nProbably why the Koreans speaking English sounded fine.", "It's webslang for sarcastically politically correcting for the word \"slut\". I assume it's directed at the cutthroat older woman in the show (she was super entertaining btw).", "100%. Ingot that post Tiger King feeling after I watched it that I was suckered into something not very good by internet hype.", "So I am wrong for calling out the show for not just poor, but utterly distasteful representation because it's produced by Korea? Korea is quite capable of producing shows that show queer representation as something other than caricature. I am critiquing a highly acclaimed show simply because it does a great job of commenting on many societal issues, but failed miserably in this one regard.\n\nNot every show needs a gay character, but if the one gay character in the show is a blatant caricature of all the tropes for which gay men have been maligned in the past, stereotypes which allowed justification for discrimination and violence againsts queer people, we sure as shit shouldn't just let it slide.", "All the vip scenes are cringe tbh. The dialogues, the acting, everything.", "A lot of people were reading the wrong subtitles. For some reason Netflix defaulted to \"English [CC]\" (ie. captions of the English dub) instead of \"English\" (ie. captions that were a translation of the original Korean).", "In my opinion the worst part is how it tries to tie all these plot point together. Like the cop part could literally be removed and it would have very little impact/if any on the rest. What did he do? What does it matter that his brother was the frontman? It feels like it was set up just to get the \"I'm your brother\" twist and ultimately doesn't add anything to the story.", "Just because something is cliche doesn't make it bad, I hate it when I see people say things like this. Things become tropes because they work, and just because you can spot one in a narrative doesn't mean that it then means you should be unable to enjoy it. Especially since this show was definitely more about what happens to the characters rather than the depth of the characters themselves.", " > What might be cartoonish or broad about them is lost in translation, whereas the VIPs had no such luxury\n\nYou'd have to be watching the show on benzos to miss that the acting is blown out of proportion everywhere, even if you don't speak Korean", "> Kind of like it's a stage play, where you have to sort of exaggerate your gestures and talk loudly so that people in the back of the theater can keep up. In general there's less subtlety to it.\n\nThat's exactly it. Their acting traditions are much more similar to early silver screen, when actors were still coming out of theatres and Hollywood was less glamorous than Broadway.", "Escobar in Narcos", "I don’t get some of the games nowadays!", "Show turns into horse shit in the last episodes.\n\nGarbage", "I actually thought the ”VIP”s ruined the atmosphere of the show.\n\nIt very quickly went from dark, mysterious, and threatening to being a joke because the men behind the curtain were oafish and seemed like total idiots.\n\nIt was like if you watched Star Wars and at the end they revealed that Jar Jar Binks was the Sith Lord behind it all.", "The VIP's were absolute shit. They talked like NPC's in a video game.", "If you're into the genre, Squid Game was just a competent entry, not something revolutionary. Alice in Borderland is really out there and different.", "When my dad and I (both native speakers) first watched the show, we both somehow thought he was a Brazilian. So in our head-canon, he was a poor interpretation of a native Portuguese speaker who picked up Spanish later in life when moving to Mexico. Weird, but not the worst.\n\nWhen I did a rewatch years later with my girlfriend I was dumbfounded that he was 'Chilean', lol. But at least the acting is still rock solid, so the immersion break isn't too intense.", "This is why I hate watching anime and will read manga almost exclusively. I feel so irritated by the voice overs.", "Yeah, apparently the dude was pretending to be a different person the entire time because... no reason.", "if you want subtitles to go with the dub you have to pick (Closed Captions)", "Wasn't it just xenophobia? That's what it came across as to me. \n\nIt was a bunch of white westerners who were sexually deviant, juvenile, and oppressive. It made no sense that none of them were Korean.\n\nNone of them were Black, or Latino, or Asian. I don't think it was deliberately racist, it felt as though they didn't dare put in anyone ethnic for fear of show being cancelled - so they did it with a bunch of white guys. The target was western culture though, not race.\n\nIt was clearly xenophobic, and arguably racist. Also, perhaps sexist as none of them were women.\n\nGreat show though. Thoroughly enjoyed it.", "The Switch game undid a lot of that. Recovery is very fast in comparison, especially to the Wii which was painful to recover from.", "This is true of nearly every American character in foreign films (and foreign characters in American films for that matter). They're horribly written and they hire fairly untalented actors for the part. Bad script plus bad actors equals shit characters.", "The entire film had soap opera dialog and acting. It's weird what western audiences will let slide by just because something is foreign.", "I think the final few episodes of Alice in Borderland let it down.", "Cool idea, badly written.", "That's kind of the point though - even in this, what is supposed to be the ultimate form of debauchery and excitement these bored billionaires are able to participate in, they are still disinterested and easily distracted.", "I don't really get how a season 2 is going to work, tbh. The main draw of the show was, in my opinion, the exploration of human psychology within the game. It's was interesting to see how some people were super cutthroat, others made sacrifices to help other contestants, and some were forced to go against their own principles. The marble episode did an especially good job with this. But now the game is over... There's nothing really new to explore in a new game, so instead the plot needs to focus on something else. But in doing so, you lose the original reason for watching the show.", ">There is no indication of them harbouring same sex attractions, and when such attractions are debated ( the two girls in the marble game, or even Pakistani dude and his match-up in the marble game), they are dismissed.\n\nWhat do you mean debated? Maybe I am forgetting something from those scenes?", "This isn't unique to any country. Even in Hollywood, it's common for lines in any language besides English to be badly delivered. They are usually written by, directed, and spoken by non-native speakers who have no idea whether it sounds good. It's rare when it turns out ok. Hell, it's even bad for Hollywood films in English (Americans doing English accents).\n\nAnd as pointed out, countries with homogenous populations tend to have a smaller pool of actors speaking said foreign language. If anything, it makes it even more egregious that Hollywood would do such a bad job given the huge pool of acting talent it has at its disposal.", "Theres a very interesting article about these scenes: (It says that sometimes they use google translate to write the English speaking scenes, which would explain the weird dialogue, also that sometimes the actors will improvise to try to make the scene more realistic but that doesnt mean that during editing they will pick those scenes as the final)\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips", "This was actually better than the voices in squidgame.", "Or where they fit in the story overall.\n\nLike, you're telling me that there's only 6 games but these people only really showed up for the last few, only to watch from a screen and sit far away as fuck anyways?\n\nThen one of them decides that fuck all that, he'll just spend his time getting a blowjob from some random average dude instead like if he couldn't do that any other day?\n\nNot to mention the masks that do fuck all for covering their identities. Absolutely nothing about the VIPs makes any inkling of sense (TBF that goes for the Squid Games as a whole, but especially for how the VIPs relate to them).", "Sniper king?", "This. Americans just found out", "I wouldn't be surprised if he improvised the line, \"You have such pretty eyes.\" \n\nshudder", "https://youtu.be/EtzlKJ1dObU \n\nThis is my fav", "I think it's fun overall, but rather silly. I didn't say it was great, just out there and different.\n\nSquid Game on the other hand is just a more grounded version of the Takashi Miike movie \"As the Gods Will\" (the first game is even the same).", "Uh, idk about you, but I'm a native french speaker, and the French scenes in Inglorious Bastards we're absolutely fine with me. What did you find was weird?", "Yeah it was really odd. \n\nYou'd think there would have been a ton of side betting in individual games. And cheering for deaths and such. \n\nBut it just had them sitting there barely interested in what was happening.", "People in queer spaces ship those characters because they see something there they like. It's shipping and not cannon, but merely the act of shipping them was met with backlash. Personally I have no stake in that argument.", "Goddammit I can’t stop laughing at the Sogeking mask haha", "I found it especially unbelievable because if it really happened, everyone in that room would either be Russian or Saudi. Maybe a sprinkling of Chinese and an odd German or two.", "I think you misunderstood what the thing about them being equal was about. It wasn't saying that people couldn't cheat within the rules of the game, but that they were within the game on a level playing field without being able to rely on any help from the outside world.\n\nThe fact that they are able to cheat is part of one of the big themes of the show that the idea of meritocracy is a myth - the contestants are told that they are all in the game on a level playing field with equal chance to succeed, but there are a thousand factors that mean that the claim is untrue, and that creates a race to the bottom as the contestants are forced to be conniving and cruel and to take advantage of each other by any means they can in order to have a chance to succeed.", "Right?? He sounds insufferable. The other one they spoke to was very fascinating to hear from, though. I enjoyed that article(except for #4).", "Gotta imagine that's what S2 is going to cover, otherwise that characters decision at the end makes little sense. There's also the missing guy who fell off the cliff. (Being vague as to not spoil stuff)", "I just thought the characters were very dumb for the last hearts game considering they've always been kinda intelligent about the other ones. It has a lot more scope than Squid Game so we shall see what both season 2's will bring.", "Same I was like \"oh shit now I really get to see how we are treated in other media now\"", "did they put a stop to the thing where if you're in 1st or 2nd you're guaranteed to get hit by both lightning and a blue shell in the last quarter lap, so that the person in 3rd or 4th is just guaranteed to win every single race?", "I didn't mind them because I've met a handful of fairly wealthy people and a lot of them do actually kinda act like that. I know one guy in particular who 110% would bet on 69 because he thought it'd be funny and his friends would absolutely cackle about it like the VIPs in the show.", "As a K-Drama watcher. I can weigh in. The actor choices they have in Korea for English speakers is slim pickings, and you combine that with the Korean writers just straight translating the dialogue to English even though no English-speaker talks like that....and it's a recipe for disaster. \n\nMr. Sunshine suffer from this...but less so because Lee Byung-Hun's English is pretty solidly great (You'll notice that his English delivery in Squid Game is MUCH better than the Americans)...but some of his American compatriots on Mr. Sunshine deliver TERRIBLE sounding dialogue. \n\nI've heard comparisons to Breaking Bad. Whenever Giancarlo Esposito spoke Spanish he was apparently TERRIBLE at it and it ruined Spanish speakers immersion in the show....meanwhile us English speakers would never notice that. Same thing here...Koreans (the main audience ostensibly for the show) would never notice bad English because it would be subtitled for them. So we are kind of getting a taste of our own medicine.", "I see. Yeah, there is no reason why that should be met with backlash IMO. I don't personally think it makes sense to have them flirt in show in that context, but I don't see why someone would have a problem with someone imagining.", "Reading Compression is hard I know but the person you replied to never made claim that they were comparable. Simply providing another example.", "Lol is that Billy Bob Thornton??", "I was about to say Narcos. Colombians hate that show. The guy who plays escobar doesn't even speak native Spanish (he's Brazilian)", "It’s a mix of poor acting, changing tonality for Korean audiences intentionally, and a language barrier in pre and post production. Being given no direction and context for how to do your role and character, a script that is poorly translated and then compound that with non-native speaking post production editors choosing maybe your worst take…you’re really facing stacked odds as an actor", "It's called Rubberbanding to keep games close. They did this with NBA Jam as well", "That was believable, a lot of people will not touch inheritance because of the grief it causes when using the money.", "I was wondering about this while watching. Couldn’t tell how much was acting style, and how much is just “people actually act differently in Korea”.", "there are skill items and techniques for avoiding blue shells at different levels of play (new defensive item for noobs, speed/timing for experts). no way to avoid lightning (unless you smuggle a star), but it shouldn't be an issue if you play well enough.", "Thanks. I honestly like most of the show. Loved the character of the smoking lady and the actress behind her. And I'm rooting for the policeman to make a miraculous return if there's a second season. I like the show, which is why it hurts when I get the impression that the creators hold extremely prejudiced views againsts me. And in the caricature I see how they view me.", "How about we just wait and see before making judgements yea?", "Shibal", "It sounded like it was dubbed.", "The depression made sense but the not caring for his daughter did not. I would have been happy if they did not leave this open for another season... He got on that plane dammit. That's more on point with his character than turning back around.", "If possible I recommend reading the manga from the beginning since while the live-action adaptation is good, it changes some things that can change characterization and even some games such as the one in episode 1 and episode 4 are different from the ones shown. Also, the manga features small side stories with characters that are not found on the t.v show who become important later on. I also think that the beach episodes where better done in the manga overall.", "Cliche for side characters with limited scenes are fine as the cliche fills in all the character information for the audience without actually having to present it explicitly. Cliches are a useful shorthand. But, if you are going to use cliches for your main characters then sticking to them so rigidly is a hindrance as it removes the surprise and novelty of the character for the audience and they are less likely to be invested in that character and not care as much about what happens to them. In the beginning the cliches were fine since there was a large cast and a lot happening and they helped add in a lot of information without actually having to say anything, but the cliches didn't evolve fast enough (for my personal tastes) and a lot of the information given only seemed to reinforce the cliches instead, which is pointless since the audience already knows that information just from the fact they can identify the cliches.", "I’m just trying to think of an explanation for this. There were some odd translations in general, like “oppa” became “old man”. So maybe the translators tried too hard to generalise the nuances of Korean and it just became banal instead?", "I mean it makes sense too. It was made and intended for Korean audiences. If I was on post production for an action movie with a Russian villain speaking Russian, I would take the take where the dialogue sounds over the top probably outlandishly Russian. A native speaker would be like ‘this is cartoonish and not even realistic cadence and tonality’ but an American audience would be like ‘super badass Russian dude’. I would have no discerning ear though for a good take and a bad take", "Okay you've piqued my curiosity. How so?", "as a chilean, the choice to make him chilean has always been so weird. his mix of ethnicities is anything but that, never seen anyone who looks remotely like him here. and of course the accent.", "> I also get playing it over the top considering its a South Korean show with the millionaires being English speaking.\n\nThat part fits for me. Kinda like air traffic control being standardized to English, the superrich pitting some poors against each other for sport had to be an international affair. \n\nIt's a 30 is million dollar prize every year, plus an ungodly amount of logistics to run and keep secret. Hundreds of staff, surveillance, food, fuel, weapons, and God knows what else and that's just at the facility. They've got a research department and who knows how many guys running around slapping folks. \n\nIt's gotta cost billions to run, there can't be that many Koreans in the global elite for it to be exclusively locally financed.", "One of the biggest hit films in the US in recent years, \"Knives Out\" was very overreacted intentionally and most would say that was an excellent and fun movie to watch.", "I think the introduction of the secondary female character was when the show jumped the shark on the anime thing. She was too friendly and acting like she was too cool for the games. Plus the haircut and piercing really made the character into a cringey stereotype", "It’s not that simple. Like I said, they would be acting the same way were they poor. It has nothing to do with their wealth making them bored", "Elon Musk when doing an IPO for Tesla shot or a opening price of $420. So yeah it’s possible that billionaires are childish.", "Moura speaks Portuguese. That’s like a German learning Dutch.", "IDK - my point was that when the Americans made a movie with Koreans in it, the American directors/editors fucked up the Korean to the point that SK audiences said things like \"they would have done better if they just grabbed a random person off the street\". Just like Americans are saying about Squid Game.", "Okay, so what I'm getting here is that you didn't read the article, because they bring up a whole lot more than the distance and the masks.\n\nThere are issues with scripting, directing, editing and cultural differences.", "Yeah it felt like a bad dub (similar to the actual dub), I wish we could see their mouths", "Same", "The opening scene from Captain America Winter Soldier also has good French-speaking", ">Nobody was supposed to be treated differently from others. But within the games themselves they were up to their own devices. Like pushing people, hiding behind them and such. But nobody was given immunity for example, or more tools than the others. Not from the master at least.\n\nBut this is exactly what Il-nam (the old man) did. He knew all the games in advance, and was literally given immunity (despite \"losing\" to Gi-hun, he wasn't shot) because he created the game.\n\nEither way, it feels increasingly to me that Squid Game was written to be a one season series. Then the writers were given instructions at the last minute to re-write it to allow for a second season, so they added the Il-nam story hastily at the end of it all. It also explains why episode 8 was uniquely short (30 min compared to the other being 50ish min). They just tacked 20 min on to episode 9 for the illogical Il-nam reveal, and split episode 8 into a 9th episode.\n\nAnyway, I've already put way too much thought into a pretty poorly executed show that isn't quite as deep as it was hyped to be.", "A lot of people are though. A guy I work with was talking about how it would be great if we had a real life squid game. I'm positive pretty much all the metaphors in the show went right over his head. To him, it's a just a cool show about a high stakes contest where people die.", "Agree dub acting in America is pretty awful and almost never worth your time. I want to watch every show in its original language.", "at least the accents in squid game are correct. cant say that for hollywood movies using certain other langauges..", "Sounds about right. Korea is in right now, in America, in the same way Japan was a few years back. And much like how they used to work words like \"sugoi\" and \"kawaii\" into random shit, I'd imagine they're gonna start doing that for Korean words too.", "I can promise you many, many people missed the point.", "Sorry my mistake, I thought this was a thread where we could discuss the show and speculate on its future. Didn't realize that we're supposed to just blindly praise it without any critical thinking. /s\n\nI'm not pre-judging anything. I didn't say the next season would be good or bad, only that they can't just repeat the same format as the first season. I also said that I thought the reason the show was so compelling was because of the first season's format, so it will be interesting to see how they accommodate that in the next one.", "The most baffling to me is still Batroc in the Marvel movies. He's a French/Algerian character and in theory they picked the right guy to play him: he's played by George St-Pierre, who is a) Québécois and b) a top-tier MMA fighter. St-Pierre speaks French; but I don't know if it's the directing, the dialogue, or if he wasn't coached about being on camera, but the French-language scenes with him are incredibly clunky.\n\nI dream of a version where Teddy Riner plays Batroc.", "This whole thread is just \"say you've never seen English speaking actors in a movie made in Asia without saying you've never seen English speaking actors in a movie made in Asia\".", "First anime, I assume?", "No no you're not Korean, you cant see it", ">Sometimes, Michaels says, these issues can be compounded by the editing process. Naturally, an editor who doesn’t speak English as a first language might end up using an imperfect take. “If I was editing a Russian actor speaking Russian, I wouldn’t have any idea if he was saying his lines correctly, or if his intonation was natural,” he says. “There might be two takes. One of them could be perfect, the other wooden. If I’m editing it, the wooden one might move faster or cut more smoothly or the continuity might be better, so I’d just go with that.”\n\nYou'd think they'd be able to hire Korean/English bilingual people pretty easily, no?", "His accent was terrible lol", ">It's so annoying how they beat you over the head with it.\n\nThere has to be some cultural thing going on. It feels like \"more is better\" is definitely the theme. Just more, more, more.", "“My first line in Squid Game, you see me say: ‘Listen, I’ll give anybody some slack.’ That’s not what people say. They say ‘I’ll cut anybody some slack’.” In all subsequent takes, Giuliano made sure to say ‘cut some slack’. But in the final version, “they went with the ‘give’.” \n \nThis is the actors take on it. He had the acting lenience to correct the bad script but editors who don't speak English can't necessarily tell the difference and would use a certain take based on other factors not related to the acting or English, since they didn't understand it.", "He was just comparing it to the model of bridge they were shown", "I thought it drove home how detached and aloof they are from the brutality of the game, and made it more sinister.", "Even in the classic Seven Samruai by Kurosawa. The villagers in the beginning who are distraught because raiders have stolen their rice are wailing very loudly and publicly to each other. I knew it had to come from theatre origins", "Yeah, I just read up about it. I guess I can't recognize well the Colombian accent either.", "Why does a show or movie have to teach anything? Why can't it just be an interesting and entertaining story and leave it at that?", "Korea doesnt have good foreign actors usually.\nI think they did a decent job.\nUsually american actors in korea are verrry cringe lol", "Tons of “Hispanic natives” who obviously don’t know how to speak Spanish, even less in their corresponding accents.\n\nTwo that come to mind is Gus Fringe and Hector Salamanca.", "Somewhat relatedly, I googled \"Why does Korea sound so whiny\" and was surprised to learn that this is a pretty common experience for English and German speakers but less so for French speakers. The reason is that Korean apparently stressed the vowels like French whereas English and German stresses the consonants. When English or German speakers whine they draw out the vowels, making Korean sound \"whiny\" to those ears. Not sure why French doesn't sound whiny though...", "Yea, also seems like he wouldn't have waited a year to go visit his daughter. The only explanation is his depression/PTSD was so crippling that he just couldn't do anything for a year.", "Bro, so many people made the joke before the vip did, youre underestimating how immature a lot of adults are, especially rich assholes.", "Casting people from Quebec to play french characters is a big no for me (except if they are very good at doing accents).", "True. Especially considering I've heard other people in this thread mention how foreign dialogue sounds ridiculous in American movies a lot, too,", "it did get a weaker when they showed up. \n\nThe only westerners they show are just fat billionaires who bet on people dying. alight..", "It gave insight into the inner workings of the squid game. Was a subplot for discovering what happened to a previous winner and gave the frontmam some serious depth. The tension of the whole game coming to light as the game progressed gave another dimension to the show and suspense. If you were waiting for the cop to do something to take down the game and it didn't happen that's just a great twist to just kill him. And a great comeback for season 2 for people that were cheering for him. The cop was a great addition imo.", "El camino", "It wasnt even that bad, people are just overreacting", "I can see that too - in and of itself, I wouldn't care if Batroc was retconned as Québécois (although the whole existence of the character is justified by the joke French = frog = leaping); but whatever they landed on in MCU just didn't work.", "I cannot believe that this is the only mention of this in this whole thread, and that it's buried like this among people saying \"well it's just because Western media has no context for this sort of thing.\"\n\nIt is EXACTLY like old Western media.\n\nLike, we DID have this. We did have exactly this sort of \"heightened,\" melodramatic performance given by most actors before our media evolved beyond that.\n\nIt's not that Western media has no context for people behaving like they are in a soap opera, it's that we don't revere it as an example of good acting or a good performance because it feels (and is) very anachronistic and just... archaic.", "That was not the point of that scene.", "Imho the series would have been better if every game could have been solved without killing others. That way it would have been a better criticism of today's society.", "All the other characters were annoyed by her too so I believe it was intentional", "> like how gi-hun can't get the game off his mind and the money means nothing to him\n\nWhich didn't make any sense, because the whole reason he was trying to get that money was so that he could keep his daughter in Korea, but then he did nothing with it for a year. Was he getting on that plane at the end to go see her in America or something? I kinda missed that bit, but even if he was, it still doesn't make sense since he had a year to stop that from happening.", "I felt exactly this. There's definitely someone out there who watched this show and thought \"wow I wish I were rich and could be a vip\" who is getting laughed at by their friends for wanting to be like the pseudo intellectual leeches. I've met way too many people who think Patrick Bateman was a cool guy and love to see opportunities to call them out.", "True, but here it is obviously attempting to make some kind of message about class, debt, and wealth.", "Yo Sogeking mask", "it didn't seem that out of place compared to the dubbed dialogue throughout the show if you were a dummy like me and didn't realize you could watch with subtitles", "The millionaires were horrendous actors and all of their dialogue was worthless. Every scene with the VIPs was cringey and awkward.\n\nThe other worst part of Squid Game was the entire doctor/organ storyline. It amounted to absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. I would've much preferred more background on Kang Sang-byeok (the pickpocket, I'm American and bad with Korean names), and more background on Ali.", "The premise of the old man makes games people play for big prize to relive childhood experiences makes sense. There was no reason for the killings as money was clearly motivation enough. The lack of narrative justification for the killings devalued the experience for me.", "What does oppa actually mean?", "After I watched the first two episodes I talked to my friend about how over-acted everything was. I don't speak Korean. It was just incredibly obvious how overacting everyone was. Like a live-action anime.", "It 100% sounded like Final Fantasy dialogue. It's nice to read an entire article about it!", "I thought it was great being on the other side of this for a change. Having more quality international content easily available has been awesome.", "She was my favorite character but, yeah, her acting was absurdly over the top.", "It’s a common feature of anime, but there’s also plenty of anime that don’t do that. I would say that shounen anime (e.g. Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, etc) do it most often, which kind of makes sense because the primary audience is middle school through high school kids.\n\nIf you look at shows that take a more serious tone or are based on seinen manga (which are aimed at older audiences) the monologuing takes a steep nosedive.", "Shit I thought it was like the older Hong Kong or Bollywood movies where the Caucasian characters are played by complete randos picked up from the streets.", "Just like Westworld the show is going to lose its magic when they leave the island", "Korea is not america, guns are so incredibly hard to get there. Youre looking at things through an American pov instead of realizing its a completely different country and culture than yours", "So is anyone going to explain what was actually said? Doesn't really seem out of place for a rich asshole to place the bet on 69, because why not? Funny number 🤷🏽‍♂️", "Any Slavic language in any American media is fucking awful. \n\nThe entirety of GTA4 you have a guy speaking Serbian (badly) to a guy speaking Russian with another guy speaking Albanian, and so on. It's just a cluster fuck.", "Old man ass scene was tougher than all the violence tbh", "Worst part about YouTube? ProZD", "Long story short they're foreign actors in a Korean show, intended for Korean audiences. Of course they're going to sound wrong to native speakers. I overlooked the awkwardness of their performance because I thought this would be obvious to everyone", "> but not irredeemably so\n\nDid we watch the same show?\n\nThe first season literally ends the way it started with him going back to fucking over his family just to win some game.", "He literally went through a traumatic experience where several people he cared about die, and he even had to partake in the death of some of the people, not to mention he found his mom dead - are you really surprised he took a year off ??", "I would say the depression and survivor’s guilt of not spending the money would be a legitimate reason to not do anything. People essentially disappear from family/friends when depressed and he wouldn’t be any different. That was one hell of an ordeal to go through and to not come out with depression and PTSD would have been a miracle.", "People who didn't like it are often labelled contrarians, just disliking the \"in\" show. But I would argue without the henchmen wearing unique Halloween costumes, this show would not have popped up on anyone's radar.\n\nThe acting is bad. No we can't label it a cultural thing and let this pass; most of us have seen good popular Korean films (Parasyte, Train to Busan, I think Snowpiercer but its mainly American actors?). They're professionals. They're good actors. They just weren't present in this Netflix series.\n\nThe story incredibly bad. Unoriginal battle royale, we've seen it plenty of times now. They world they build for us has rules - equality within the games. Everyone is in a bad spot in the \"real world\" due to financial decisions, health issues, or just plain unlucky. But here! In this facility! You are all equals! Except you're not. Except the games favor large/muscular, and you are allowed to murder while NOT playing the games. Wtf? Sorry females, sorry non-muscular men. You will die, everytime.\n\nThe twist, if you can even call it that, with the brother being a former participant turned Front Man.... is never explained. And it needs to be because that was the reason a cop infiltrated the operation and was taking notes. Why? How did he get recruited? Are all the henchmen former players? Why was the one that got shot during the sugar cookie cutout game so fucking young? Are they kidnapping high schoolers?\n\nWhy are they harvesting organs for Chinese officials in the basement? Why is that not part of the facility's scheme, as the Front Man chastises them \"I don't mind your side operation but you showed your face, BOOM!\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nOH. And the final \"game\" was just 2 people brawling. But its named Squid Game so there's a subtle nod. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis show would get 2/10 if it didn't have Playstation Helmets and pink jumpsuits.", "God she seems frustrated every time. You can almost see her thinking \"How are you not getting this?... Oh yeah..\"", "> Kind of like it's a stage play, where you have to sort of exaggerate your gestures and talk loudly so that people in the back of the theater can keep up. In general there's less subtlety to it.\n\nThis is how movies used to be made in the west at first too, right?\n\nIs this expected to change in Korea, as their movie industry matures? Or is this a cultural artefact that's expected to stick around?", "I think a larger part of it is that the writing is just bad and unrealistic. No amount of proper acting will solve that. The show gets a massive pass because of \"translation issues\".", "Do not see the Oscar winning Parasyte. That's even more on-the-nose than this.", "The music was also amazing.", "One of them was Asian, he clearly had a thick accent, and he even spoke a line in Chinese.", "It was very anime.", "Or he never actually watched the show and is just going based on what other people are saying", "Haha, this gave me a good chuckle", "One of the actors mentioned that line was actually ad libbed", "the \"who is this guy/invited him\" line?", "This is probably going to be downvoted, but Squid Game was OKAY at best. I’m glad it’s brought a wider audience to Korean and Asian filmmaking. However, it’s a dime a dozen among Korean dark comedies. Everything from Bong Joon-ho and Park Chan-wook; as well as the countless number of Battle Royale and Last Man Standing, Kill’em all stories. Squid Game had some fantastic performances and set pieces, don’t get me wrong, but moments like this among many others really showed the weakness in the writing and story. By the 4th episode you could guess the entirety of the plot, with such overhanded foreshadowing. Social commentary? Kill a bunch of poor desperate for the fun of it? Let them kill each other for no reason, and say the games are fair? “It’s supposed to be a mirror held up to society” Yeah it’s all been done before. Didn’t even need to be a miniseries, could have been a film, and cut out those slow, Asian Telenovela Soap scenes. Sorry about the rant…", "Mate ‘shipping’ may be your bag but do you mind speaking for yourself and not all queer people? Thanks a bunch.", "Idk about you guys but that same dialogue imo was what made the divide between the players and VIPs, the players sound right and human while the VIPs sounded not right and disconnected. That was what made this part great for me at least.", "Really? Most really rich people don’t even come off as rich", "that's why I prefer subs to dubs. not to keep more in line with the original meaning or anything silly like that. I just can't stand listening to people say that shit in english", "The investors was easily the worst part of the show.", "The whole show was basically live action anime. Internal monologues explaining the scene?? Classic anime move. Whole show was extreme. That was the point.", "It's not homophobic lmao, there's a gay character in the show who uses sexuality to be an asshole, just like there's a straight character doing the same, other than that sexuality doesn't matter", "Yeah main guy was like a slap stick cartoon character", "Nah you're fine, other person is a dick", "Wholeheartedly agree. I thought I was taking crazy pills thinking it wasn’t the GoAT show. Just goes to show the average Netflix binge-ers have a lot of very low quality watch history.", "Chill lol", "The hype/strategy speech gave me chills.", "Loved this show so much. The scenes with these guys destroyed the sense of immersion sooooo much during such an important scene(s). Nearly ruined the show for me but it was excellent despite this.", "That's how I took it, too. I thought they were trying (and succeeding) at showing American billionaires as so radically degenerate, out of touch, and evil that even their basic ways of interfacing with other human beings (speech, behavior, etc) was disconnected and off.", "Drinking with a straw maybe, they couldnt drink a normal glass without leaning their heads far back or slightly removing the mask..", "??\n\nI clearly state I don't care for the shipping of characters. \n\nI brought it up because: (1) the previous poster said we can't assume any of the characters are straight (valid - they could be bi/ase/pan) however, (2) when such interpretations had been discussed (as ships), they were dismissed or criticized. \n\nI didn't ship. I don't care for shipping. Express a viewpoint if you like.", "That's sort of an explanation, but even with mistranslations, they're still really poorly written characters. And with the resources Squid Game had to work with, there's really no excuse for letting this happen. All they had to do was run the scripts by people fluent in both languages to know it was really awful. It's just lazy that they didn't.", "He sounded like Zero the Hutt", "I don't know, I feel like their dialogue feels out of place for sure but it fits how much we should take them for dipshits.", "Man do people go out of their way to justify and defend the utter horse shit that was all the VIP scenes. I'm middle eastern, I've seen wooden portrayals of us folk in western shows and movies but nothing as hilariously has as these VIP idiots were scripted to be. Even parody films like Hot Shots portrayed us better than the clownish dialogue acting in this pretty tense thriller.", "https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oppa", "They would have been so much cooler if they just showed up, and watched. They didn't need any dialogue at all and they were ruined by it.", "lmao perfect", "I think it's completely intentional, both from a dialogue and acting perspective.\n\nAlso, having been a wine butler a few times before, sometimes rich people are genuinely that stupid sounding.", "“He want you to turn, look in camera. Ok?”", "There was nothing even remotely normal about how any of them acted. Ok, the kid was normal. The business failure was normal. Everyone else acted like Jackie Chan. It’s fine once you accept it. And it’s the number one show on the flix so I guess most people agree. Honestly if they didn’t act like cartoons I don’t think the world works. Come to think of it…everyone acted less and less like a buffoon the further you got.", "Problem with the show is it's got a really creepy vibe, the masked men army and the weird design of the bunk bed room and stair case and the first game are all amazing openers but the. The show kinda just declines from there and tries to hard to explain stuff and spends too much time on cop man who doesn't do anything lol", "And his brother spoke it so much better, always threw me off.", "He's Danish-born? [I always thought he was from Detroit!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPDwOioK9w)", "If it happens in every thread and a bunch of people have never heard of him before, maybe you could imagine it doesn't actually happen in every thread. Maybe you could even imagine it doesn't happen a majority of the time.\n\nAri Aster isn't the new Godwin's Rule.", "It thought it absolutely was the best part. Americans be talking like that.", "and here I thought it was gonna be [Another ProZD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRmhToZfoHs) video", "Nah, it should be recognized as a bigger problem and I'll keep saying so until filmmakers actually start giving shit", "Worst part!? Boring storyline, mediocre acting, predictable \"bad guys\" weren't candidates?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhXNmMLdivk", "Honestly then it sounds like the closest flirty translation might by \"Daddy\" essentially then, right?", "They dubbed her saying “huh?” And “ah” and “oh” at the end of every sentence. \n\nWatching her character was like watching the spoof of a dubbed Japanese movie.", "Because they have a voice director who doesn't speak the language, and they want a take to sound a certain way, based on their perception (or their audiences' perception) of how the language sounds, instead of how it actually sounds.\n\nSee the original Resident Evil, the American VAs speaking English were directed by a Japanese guy who had no English.", "Worst part was the ending, it was going good and took a complete dump right at the last minute.", "Or a more nuanced interpretation could be that you can't ignore or run away from the capitalist system, you have to destroy it. Most of this show is a giant metaphor.\n\nAlso, it makes you irredeemable if you leave your ex-wife and child to start a life elsewhere? He can still call his child, organise holiday visits to Korea. You know, maintain a long distance bond. Maybe he realises he can't offer his daughter a stable life because he has ghosts that haunt him.\n\nAnd he makes this ultimate sacrifice so he can go stop a murderous organisation. Pretty sweet redemption arc if you ask me.", "It was so bad it broke immersion for me. It went from A+ writing/acting to D- level acting in the same episode when they came on screen. It would have been better if they said NOTHING at all. And just watched the games in eery silence. And displayed their wealth/power in other more subtle ways.", "Pretty sure that was a joke.", "That 100% misses the point of their role in the show. They don't even see the contestants as vakuable. They'd get no more enjoyment out of breaking a glass than they would shooting a contestant.\n\n\nTo enjoy killing on some level you need to accept that thing you are killing has importance. You're ending something that has value and purpose and you're making the ultimate decision to take that away. \n\n\nThey are doing this because it is a new fun thing to bet on. Think most dangerous game. They aren't hunting humans because they want to hunt humans. They are hunting humans because they want a prey that can think and reason like they can. They could do this same style of betting competition with AI or even animals. But nothing comes close to humans as far as cognitive ability. Therefore it's more interesting.", "I was fine with the VIPs talking / acting\n\nmy impression was that they were supposed to be caricatures / exaggerations of stereotypes and believed they were intended for a Korean audience, so I didn't really have a problem with the VIPs", "Exactly, I can't imagine a single way even a good actor could perform those lines. They sure as hell aren't Leo in Django Unchained. I absolutely hate the writer more than the characters.\n\nHalf of these comments are saying the writing would make sense \"if this\" and \"if that\", good writing doesn't need an if, the writer's intent should be clear.\n\nOn a side note, I spent like three episodes thinking the Pakistani guy was mentally disabled, I honestly think the writer just writes all non-Koreans as idiots regardless of wealth.", "I caught up on the one piece anime finally and I'm sad that I now have to wait a week for each episode", "Congratulations. You now know how it feels like when foreigners watch English films and hear the atrocious dialogue of their native language be butchered on delivery.", "Sure but the acting was still bad.", "I think you nailed it. It was a cool twist in the moment, but it did sour the end a bit. But then again it's probably so you root for the guy again in the inevitable sequel. Gotta get rid of that baggage.", "Honestly though, the worst part of the show was >!the old man twist at the end.!< Really did not like that", "Not sure about Squid game director but it would make sense that non-English speaking director or producer would not catch the awkward nuances from the script which would otherwise be picked up by an English speaker. I am Korean living in Canada and I feel the same when I see k-pops adding random English words or Hollywood movies having awkward Korean being spoken by non-native speaking actor. The Korean actor from Lost TV series has become a HUGE meme in Korea because of this.", "Whole show was fucking dog water", "You really just ignored the part of the article where the guys say that they've both been acting for years and the squid game VIP roles were gotten through a heavy audition process.", "Judging by this thread, the other dude is on point. Plenty missed the point, shit the YouTube videos that cover the themes are very popular so I'm guessing a lot of people needed more context. And yeah, any less subtle than what they showed is basically spoon- feeding the message, but that's where we're at.", "Sure, but when you have a weak script to work with, no good director/direction, and editors who probably don't even know the language well enough to pick the correct takes, Anthony Hopkins would have a hard time making it work.", "> but yea overacting seems not uncommon in my experience.\n\nJust watch this show! There are multiple characters, include if the main character, who overact a lot.", "Not sure why you're being downvoted. you're spot on. lol", "I'll give it a try. Please excuse me if I'm reaching here haha.\n\nThe series is pretty clearly about the wealth gap between the rich and the poor. I don't think that is a reach whatsoever, but it also shows the luck, and deceit it requires for someone poor to get out of their situation. The only way for someone to win the money was to metaphorically cannibalize the other 455 contestants. It shows that the way to get out of being poor requires throwing morality out of the equation to a certain degree.\n\nIt also shows that the rich will manipulate the poor into believing the the system they are in is \"fair\", even when it isn't. They are told in the start that they are all there on their own volition, even though they were never told it was a death game until they actually started game 1. They are then told that they can leave any time they want with a majority vote, but that isn't really true. The organizers know that most people will go back, because of the desperation that the poor have on the outside world. It isn't \"fair\", it is just made to look that way.\n\nIt also highlights the reason - not a good one - that the rich do what they do. They get bored, and just want more and more power. To the point that they will sacrifice those beneath them, and give the winner of the games a fraction of the billions that were obviously invested in the games. The winner is rich, but will never be as rich as the organizers, even through all they went through. They might have money, but they will never be in the same class as the ones born in it.\n\nHope that was coherent. It's not really that deep, but that was my thoughts on it. Not saying this is the only interpretation at all, just wanted to share since you asked :))", "Bet he would.", "yeah the key there is it was \"cheating\" against another player as opposed to getting outside help from the staff. all the players are to be treated the same, but they can use their personal advantages against one another all they want.", "They just have never shown up. It made it so boring. Guessing “why” is so much more interesting than knowing. Even just making this a government program that just keeps running with attrition would have been more interesting", "Not a good time, robit.", "The worst part of squid game was literally the entire thing. I hated this whole experience tbh", "That entire episode is so well done imo. From the bait and switch to the heartbreaking results.", "I agree that the acting from these buffoons was bad compared to what were were watching up that point. But Squid Game was a Korean film made by and for other Koreans. I like it this way. To me the VIP guys at the end were an example of how Koreans view white westerners. Which again, is fine for me personally. I want a honest film/show based on the people who are making it. A view into their distinct culture that's different from mine. IP Man movies are the same way. So were Kung Fu shows back in the early 80's.", "I mean yeah she's obviously a hustler who would act like that anyway but its just more pronounced due to her deliberately exaggerating it. There's other characters like the mafia thug guy who is like comically a jackass at times or the one guy he was playing marbles against who was like snickering his head off at the thought of beating him.\n\nHonestly I didn't mind all that much myself because it gave a bunch of them personality and the whole situation/various games they were in was/were fairly absurd to begin with when it wasn't being grim.", "It depends... New money versus old money people like Trump who find their identity in wealth vs people not like him. I think it also depends on the level of wealth. Billionaires ( and I have never been around one) and Millionaires which in CA are like the people who made 6 figures in the 70's. There are millionaires every bit as frat boy as the chumps in squid games", "> They pretend to care so much about \"diversity\" and all that while they straight up choose actors just based on their skin colour and don't give a fuck if they speak the language their characters are supposed to be native in. \n\nI think Ali's actor was great and definitely didn't seem like just a shoe-in, but yes I agree the dialogue for non-Korean characters needs a lot of work.\n\n>Nah, it should be recognized as a bigger problem and I'll keep saying so until filmmakers actually start giving shit\n\nYes they definitely are taking notes of your mad ravings on areddit post lol", "My only issue with this take is that I think we are supposed to mostly feel alienated because of their social class, not their language, and yet spoiler warning >!we dont get that sense at all from Oh Il-nam, who is possibly the wealthiest of the bunch but is able to pass as a charming small-town Korean everyman!< \n\nOn the other hand, I guess you could call that intentional misdirection, but it feels more like a lazy mistake than a clever subversion.", "Interesting observation. Did you watch Narcos? What did you think of Wagner Moura's Spanish?", "I know how you feel, I fully caught up when the time skip happened.\n\nI'd recommend the manga if you haven't read it. Not saying that the manga is better than the anime, both have pros/cons. Biggest thing the manga does better is the pacing. You also catch things that aren't in the anime (cover page stories, more violent/graphic content that was toned down in the anime).", "People are complaining about hating the VIPs. That was the point. You’re supposed to hate them.", "I see what you mean, and I don't think it's necessarily a lazy mistake even if it wasn't altogether intentional, but for me as a Western viewer with my Western expectations, I think it worked as an element of misdirection when I watched it.\n\nOf course, I did anticipate the subject of the misdirection because of how the show was structured, but it still worked on a story level for me.\n\nJust because it's not intentional didn't make it any less useful as a part of the story, is what I'm trying to say.", "I felt her frustration during the roulette part. Good god I want to smash something.", "It sounded like when you're playing a video game and the NPCs have a distance trigger to their dialogue or when you take a while to answer a question and they just pick up in the same tone they were using before you answered. \n\nWith the masks, you would think they could go back and ADR. I'm not sure if it was specifically created for Netflix or if it was made for some Korean HBO and then distributed west by Netflix, but South Korea has to have at least one English native speaker who could've been like, nah that's really bad.", "> Even Knievel\n\nSounds like the moderate brother to Evel.", "You’re confusing “hating them because they’re bad people” with “hating them because they’re poorly written hamfisted caricatures of what they’re supposed to represent”.", "As an American who doesn’t understand the word beyond that urban dictionary definition I’m pretty weirded out by the idea of a sister using “Daddy” to speak to her older brother.", "I was waiting for the ants to start their game on their bridge :p", "This is the very first time I've seen someone have the same reason as me for subs > dubs. I can at least _pretend_ that it's not insanely overdramatic cringe if I don't know what they're saying.", "Man I really didn’t get the hype, it was ok but that’s it", "Yeah exactly what I thought, the VIPs were just what Koreans think rich westerners are like.", "Lmfao bro if you don’t speak Spanish don’t say that he nailed it. You know how I know you don’t speak Spanish? Because you said he nailed it lol.", "Yeah but he’s awesome", "Gus speaking Spanish at any time was awful. And he was supposed to be Chilean lol.", "Usually Youtube comments are my go to for this kind of stuff, it’s a goldmine. You can just tell they feel sooooo damn clever writing baby’s first critical analysis.", "What the fuck are you talking about? His Spanish is awful lol.", "They could be bad actors, or they could be good ones, I think it's impossible to know from this sample size. Give Tom Hanks a couple scenes of poorly written dialogue and then grab his worst takes and you'd have no idea what he's capable of. I'm not saying any of these guys are Tom Hanks, but there's just no way to tell, there were more fundamental problems with their roles.\n\nI think this anecdote from [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips) was the most telling to me:\n> “Perfect example,” says Giuliano. “My first line in Squid Game, you see me say: ‘Listen, I’ll give anybody some slack.’ That’s not what people say. They say ‘I’ll cut anybody some slack’.” In all subsequent takes, Giuliano made sure to say ‘cut some slack’. But in the final version, “they went with the ‘give’.”\n\nMultiply this by every line in the show and I really can't blame any of them for how they present in the final product.", "My dude are you even allowed on the Internet without parental supervision? Get back to class lol. Stupid ass comment.", "I totally agree that creators can often create interesting story elements at least in part by accident, but in cases like this it's asking a LOT more from the viewer's suspension of disbelief. Even when done intentionally, characters that act and speak unnaturally need to be crafted carefully so that viewers read them as \"there's something wrong with this character\" as opposed to \"there's something wrong with this performance\" \n\nBased on that, I would call the VIPs as a whole a failure. I think Squid Game is a great show, but I don't think there's any need to go back and defend an almost universally unpopular part of the show. If the VIPs had shown up in episode 1 or 2, there would be no western audience for Squid Game. We all would have just quit watching, and that would be a terrible shame.", "The whole point is that it's just horse racing to them. People who are into horse racing don't root for a horse to have an accident that forces the owners to put it down, but they don't care either way. They're just indifferent to it.", "Sogeking", "It was a reflection of how the West portrayed Asians in media. Like when white people get weirded out by the VIPs that's what Asians feel like when they see themselves in western media. \n\nSquid Game is a great job on doing this. People missed the point because they've been used to 'great' acting from white people.", "word sogeking", "That's a scripting and translation issue then?", "Yet people are still misinterpreting it saying it's a criticism of communism and shows why capitalism is better...\n\nedit: WHY ARE YOU BOOING ME IM RIGHT", "I just thought the shows creators were mocking western society and its weird drive for pleasure", "I honestly took it as part of his character, that he wasn't actually Chilean. Like he has a past so shady only he knows about it. I thought that's why his Spanish sounded so.... Well... Shitty ... Cuz it's definitely not native to any country", "Or anyone who’s not Alexander Skarsgård in True Blood", "Squid game spoilers\n\nThank you! Everyone loves the show, but the last few episodes killed it for me. The old man was such a great character, having him be the vip killed his character for me. Not to mention gi-hun neglecting literally everything for a whole year. That girl's brother was in that orphanage alone, wondering where his sister was, for an entire year... Thank god sung woo was smart enough to kill himself so that gi-hun would actually get the money. Not to mention gi-hun at the end decides yet again to not go to his daughter, but to chase them down. With what? The money they provided you?", "I disagree, having the VIPs was an integral point of Squid Game. They basically represent the 1% and they really couldn't care less about the lower classes. The poorly written dialogue and acting did two things:\n\nTo show how disconnected they are from regular people. \n \nTo show the West how it feels like to be portrayed and represented differently and terribly.", "Sounds about right", "Btw in film school, this, and what the OP is referring to, is called the Language of Cinema. There are implicit understandings between the director and the audience that span across films. This can span genres, time periods, and it absolutely varies culturally, which is why watching foreign movies can have an \"odd\" feeling to people.", "Nah, Brendan Fraser spanish in bedazzled is awful.", "No they knew, they just wanted to know what its like when the West are the ones portrayed poorly. Like how they do with other cultures, races, ethnicity.", "I know, but the point could easily be made without showing them. Hell, it was implied up to that point anyways.\n\nIt was just too on the nose for me.", "This is just the excuse people have invented. The other comments in here (including the words of the actors themselves) show that it's a combination of things being lost in translation, cultural acting norms, and uninformed acting choices.", "Definitely the script writing. The dialog was just terrible, no translation can fix that.", "I thought the bridge thing was really weird too! The strangest part was when they were picking numbers and that random guy we've never heard from before launches into that weird monologue, it was so unnatural.", ">I'm not a fan of that directing choice if that's the case.\n\nThat was the point though, it was intentional. >!The Frontman and Ill-Nam were the antagonists of the story, not the VIPs.!<", "It's like \"what are you gonna do gi-hun?! You barely skated thru by the skin of your teeth and now you're a hero all of the sudden?\"", "Except for Inglourious Basterds", "I have watched a lot of kdramas and whenever they do an English speaking scene it always made me cringe. I just took it as English-lite though. \n\nIt would be the equivalent of someone speaking Spanish or French in an English show. It makes the character sounds fancy but if you are a bit better than your peers you might be able to catch a word here or there that you know. Like you catch them saying \"Bonjour\", \"bibliothèque\", and \"l'amour\" and you are able to feel involved even when reading subtitles. The line are also generally given slower and a bit less acted to help those that could understand catch the words. \n\nThis isn't to say that tv/movie production companies shouldn't put a little more effort into those bits, but as you pointed out even with Marvel people had to be told the Korean was terrible otherwise most English speakers would have no idea.", "I pegged them more for billionaires then millionaires.", "With the too-long-gap thing it also makes me feel it could be the non-native editors too. By not understanding normal english convo rhythm.\n\nProbably a combination of all of these. Actors, Writers, Editors, Direction.", "This was revelatory. \nSo, okay. I thought the acting was terrible from the VIPs. I was shocked. I thought it had to be one of two things. 1) the Korean acting was just as bad but it was lost on me because I don’t speak the language and misunderstand tone or, 2) the bad acting of the VIPs was a stylistic choice by the director. \nI was going to go with #2. Now I read this. Sounds like it was just bad acting after all…. But also bad direction due to poor communication.", "I mean, Squid Game is one example, but there are also countless massive-budget Hollywood films released internationally every year, and they often don't even cast the right nationality of people. Of course it might not seem like a problem if you don't speak the language because why care if you don't understand it anyway right? But honestly it's pretty damn disrespectful and they continue to do it because almost no one in the \"target audience\" complains. I'm hoping the controversy in the Squid Game English dialogue makes more people realize how bad all the non-English speakers get it for almost every movie/TV show produced.", "The line “if you c an satisfy me in five minutes” or whatever it was. I was like, WTF? Who say to themselves “this guy is hot. Let’s get this over with quickly.”", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzpA1Lqluw", "Someone you work with thinks it’s a good idea to murder people for sport and you’re concerned he didn’t get the metaphors in the show 😂 I don’t think it’s his lack of understanding metaphors that’s causing his psychotic thought processes", "Oh ho ho! You dirty dog!", "I understand it was intentional. A directing choice obviously has intent. I just think it didn't work. Like I know what they were going for, but anything that breaks your suspension of disbelief, especially one that's already in a heightened reality, isn't great filmmaking. The fact that it left a sour note for most people is evidence of this.", "Really? Don't know how I missed that.", "I don't know enough about the country to know for sure. But their TV and movie industry has been around for decades now, and a lot of Asian movie makers also looked to the West for inspiration. So I'm not sure if we should simply consider it like a remnant of stage productions exactly like the early movies in the West. \n\nMy impression was that it is sort of a cultural thing.", "Where did I say it doesn't exist?\n\nI didn't even imply it.\n\nYou have some unresolved issues.", "billionaires", "If Kaiji's mechanics were to technical, then I weep for humanity. XD", "You won't regret it. It'll have you on the edge of your seat the whole way through. :)", "Question: what show was 'such a hit'?", "To be fair, betting a million on 69 just because it's funny is exactly the type of thing the ultra-rich would do.", "Kinda related: With the movie \"Letters of Iwo Jima\" I wondered how Clint Eastwood could direct Japanese actors well. Obviously he had assistance but he has to really rely on them doing a good job, because all he can really understand is the facial expressions and such. It's a really tall order to try to steer such a production in the direction you are going for.", "It didn't work for you because that shit is new to you. You ever seen Two Broke Girls, 70's Show, Silicon Valley, Big Bang Theory etc. All the ethnic characters get the short of the end of the stick. \n\nBut it did work because the fact everyone is talking about how bad the VIPs should be the same conversations were should be having with other cultures/ethnicities/races.\n\nWestern media has brainwashed you to feel that white characters should have the best potrayal.", "Worst part of Squid Game is realization that in today's world something like that could really happen.", "I do not speak French, but a lot of the times I find seemingly common indicators of \"weird speech\" to not be anything I would notice in regular conversation. Someone else in the thread mention the phrase \"give me some slack\" versus \"cut me some slack\", with the latter being correct -- and I wouldn't bat an eye if someone said that to me. Even if it's incorrect technically, it still conveys the same meaning and it just isn't the kind of detail I think most* people would pick up on (or care about).", "Depends on the setting. I went on a dove hunting trip to Argentina and one of the people on the trip with us I would joke to my brother and refer to as \"the greedy American\", fat and loud being his two main traits.", "Then no one would be talking about it.", "That literally makes no sense you just generalized every rapist as if they’re all the same and have the same motives lmao no person on this earth is the same. \n\nEdited to not be as rude", "I used to think some anime character voice actors were just fucking awful, flash forward a few years to find out Japanese has a few different tones to speak in depending on circumstance.", "Yeah, I think it's kind of weird that people are making these comments only about the English actors - does this mean they were watching 212, the crazy lady who links up with the bad team, and thinking, \"Oh yeah, this is some real subtle acting right here?\" Everything's over the top, it's just the style of it.", "Squid Game. The show OP posted a video about.", "I've watched it and yea, it's definitely present in this show as well.", "You said the show was on the nose, yet missed the final episode where the mastermind behind the games said he did it because he was too bored from being so rich...", "No I didn’t, I said that concept doesn’t hold a lot of water. Most rich people do have fulfilling hobbies because they can afford them", "\"Oh wow, it's bigger\"\n\n\"Yeah a lot bigger\"\n\nThat was the one that made me leave the room.", "About the show? I disagree.", "It's an anime about a guy that ended up in a similar situation to the people in squid game due to co-signing for a huge amount of money. Because it's an anime, though, you get to see inside the character's head and this thought process (and anguish).\n\nIt's rad. Ignore the noses and watch it. :P", "It was pretty bad. It was so bad that my friend who was watching it in English dub didn't even know that the characters were speaking English, he assumed it was still dubbed.", "Bout the VIPs", "Oh, right. But that's a good thing.", "Eeeeh so they thought they'd make an easy buck being in something no one would watch and are now pissed the entire world saw their performance lol \n\nIt's like when Conan says Dame Judi Dench would have had a hard time finding work if her first movie was HUMAN CENTIPEDE", "IMO it took a turn after the Tug of War. That glass game (not including the Billionaires club part) was just weak. And >!Kang Sae-byeok dying from a post game explosion!< was pretty lame", "Lalo's Spanish is 100% on point. He's the only one that sounds real. Nacho's Spanish is bad though.", "Decades of american TV where foreigners butcher their own language. I can count the \"Germans\" in movies who speak it correctly on one hand.\n\nNot gonna lie, kind of ironic that this is reversed now :D", "Kill Bill comes into my mind... That fight scene dialogue was so painful to watch as a Japanese person... It's even worse considering that neither Lucy Liu nor Uma Thurman can speak Japanese... their dialogue might as well be gibberish", "No you missed the point..", "Wait... is five minutes fast?", "It was like they were dubbed actors by what Koreans though American English sounded like.", "The Frontman seemed like that whenever he spoke English, but the VIPs seemed like they definitely speak fluent English, but were either told to speak like that or aren't good actors. But even then the dialogue was just terrible, regardless of their acting ability or how they were told to speak.", "Because most audiences aren't wanting something super deep. People love their Hunger Games type stuff. That's not a bash but the people want what the people want. There's a reason there's 50,000 Mission Impossible movies but one Prestige which I think is an amazing movie", "that line was pretty crucial to the flow of the scene so... no it wasn't improvised.", "I get the point. I am just of the opinion that the VIPs should be a minor part of this story and not something we should all talk about when thinking of the show.", "As a non-Chilean I have no idea what Chileans look like and therefore went along with whatever Breaking Bad told me.", "Also if they were doing this elaborate plan to sell organs, why would the Front Man not know? He didn’t seem surprised to find out about all these tunnels. Also the fact the cop was able to lie his way out of every conversation is absurd. There’s no way he wouldn’t be caught right away when he started acting weird. Clearly there’s a 0 tolerance policy for fuck ups. Why would they allow him to clearly be suspicious?\n\nAnd yeah, was this the first season they did this? Why not just hire a doctor?", "It is truly bizarre that they got two 100% non-Hispanic people to play their two biggest Hispanic characters who speak Spanish all the time.", "Because for the rest of the world it is over the top.", "Well that's not really how she died but I agree... honestly nothing was as much a spectacle as red light/ green light", "There were only 5 minutes left in the bridge game. I think that was the point of him only giving him 5 minutes.", "the dumbest part by far was that he was making dumb 69 jokes but was gay. \n\nLike the immature 69 jokes were already a huge stretch from a wealthy person but it should be coming from a straight bro-ey douchebag.\n\nEven trashy hunting type rich douchebags aren't going to think betting on number 69 passes for wit. but most definitely a gay man is not the going to be the one making an 8th grader joke.", "You’re probably right. He didn’t want to miss the ending, after all.", "I thought it was purposely done. Completely over the top retarded shenanigans, like \"stoopid americans\"", "Parasite has layers to it though.", "I legit thought it was on purpose as a sort of exaggeration bout how ppl see the rich. They literally looked and sounded like cartoony rich guys lol", "Why not? Gay dudes can like dumb jokes too.", "I thought they were parodying rich American stereotypes from a Korean point of view and as an a American I thought it made sense for them to have that sort of caricature.", "Exactly, I don't know why/if people are attacking the actors. At the end of the day, even if the actor is bad, it still comes down to whoever cast and directed them. The buck stops at them.\n\nBut yes, clearly a lot more than just the acting is wrong. The dialogue, the scene as a whole, the tones. These are all part of the writing/directing.", "> What plot there was was full of holes and contradictions\n\nWhat do you mean?", "As if American production nails every Korean Lines in their shows ... Or any Asian culture reference / delivery. Which is normal imo , same goes with Korean shows that tries to deliver english lines , it was just Bound to happen no big deal", "it was beyond abysmal. the show already wasn't good but that was quite the low point. \n\nI get that this is a common thing in all film industries but if you're going to have an entire episode where a near majority of the dialogue is in a foreign language that a bunch of your audience is going to be able to speak and understand, then hire some writing consultants and get an english speaking guest director to help on set. \n\nI wonder if Netflix bought the show after it was made because I have a hard time believing there weren't any executives demanding reshoots", "I don't think it's the same. The issue you speak of has more to do with accents and non-native speakers. The issue here is that the writing itself and the tone of the scenes were just really shit. It had little to do with the actors, and more to do with how badly the scene was written and directed compared to the rest of teh show.", "agreed but it wasn't a few lines here or there - it was half the episode - and an important revelation in the series overall. And it's one of the most commonly spoken languages with a huge pool of talent for actors - there's very little reason why this couldn't have been done better. \n\nEspecially if this was a netflix production when they were shooting - it shouldve been easy to get an American director help co-direct that shooting of that episode as a consultant and help rewrite lines on set.", "The delivery of the dialogue was stilted, which I think is kind of inevitable when you're dealing with people speaking a language other than the one of the show's target audience - the pool of professional American actors who live in Korea probably pretty small, and the intended audience of the show was Korean-speakers, who wouldn't notice the awkwardness anyway - but I thought the dialogue itself was fine. Of course the people who run an underground game where poor people kill each other for money talk like spoiled frat boys who never really grew up. That's the kind of person who would organize an underground death game in the first place.", "I mean, you'd be missing out. But I aint your daddy so. shrugs", "Why would a gay man not have a childish sense of humor when straight men often do and gay men are still men", "Same here, a lot of the time I can go along with the melodrama but I found AoT to be just too much. Thankfully the Funimation dub is of great quality.", "Oh so it's like Tokusatsu shows, \"anyone who 'dies' by falling in a body of water, will show up 3-4 episodes later\".", "Japanese culture is still different from Korean culture and a central tenet is the disconnect between your behavior in public and what you want. It's like saying Italians are expressive so it'll be easy to understand Germans.", "eccentric? sure. Total morons who can't speak english properly or have no wit about them? naaah. \n\nThey had the maturity levels of 8th graders - i get that they were going for douche bro - but the 69 joke being reveled as the epitome of wit wouldnt even happen in that circle. And it certainly wouldnt be a gay man making 69 jokes.", "Nice!", "I felt like they were the most wild stereotypes of rich Americans lol, it was super awkward. Absolutely loved the series as a whole though!", "Lol now you whites know what we’ve dealt with for decades", "In this comparison it would be more like girls that call their Dad \"Daddy\" but also use it in a flirty manner. Oppa just doesn't have a good direct translation since we don't have terms to refer to older males that are close in age.", "It's the freaking point. \n\nEverybody expected super villains. But no it's your average douchebag billionnaire who are just bored, lame and who quite honestly don't really care. Think Jeff Bezo. \n\nJust lame douchebags being lame douchebags.", "Jesus christ dude, what kind of fucking strawman is this?. Don't assume I think non-western characters in western media being portrayed poorly is a good thing. \n\n> Western media has brainwashed you to feel that white characters should have the best potrayal.\n\nAlso what the fuck? I'm not saying they should be likable or sympathetic. I want them to be believable. Just as I would like non-white characters to be believable.", "Yeah, does anyone here really believe that, say, Elon Musk wouldn't bet on player 69 as a joke?", "yea except that's just a poor person's fantasy and projection. Most rich people are going to be of average or well above average intelligence. And most will probably be pretty charming and fun to hang out with.\n\nThat's why the scene was do dumb. Yea there are Donald Trump Jrs of the world and Saudi Princes - but even they aren't this witless and stupid.", "not having empathy doesn't mean you would be stupid and think 69 is funny.", "The marbels episode was when the show went from good to great for me.", "Dude reminded me of the masked guy towards the end of John Dies at The End", "This. It reminded me of some Kubrick style villain. It could've been better on execution but I liked what they were going for in terms of character portrayal.", "My brother tells me that gay dudes also like to 69.", "Strawman? Western media has poorly represented ethnic culture especially when they are the minority. I literally gave you a list, I'm pretty sure there are much more. \n\n>I want them to be believable. Just as I would like non-white characters to be believable.\n\nSame. But it's not a priority.\n\nIm sorry this is inconvenient for you to hear, but imagine for us.", "\"And unlike everybody in the games this thing just won't die\"", "I'm so glad it's not just me. There are obviously many (the majority) who really felt differently, and more power to them - everything is subjective of course - but it's nice to know there are at least a few like-minded viewers out there.", "The whole brother subplot went nowhere.", "I’m guessing they had to speak in a slow and clear way to make it easy to understand for the Korean audience, that seems unnatural to a native English speaker", "Yeah I guess I'm the odd one out here, but I didn't have a problem with them. Yeah it was cartoony and childish, but that's.... kind of the point, I thought? How absurd that these grown-ass adults are taking such decadent pleasure from the suffering they caused? \n\nOn top of that, the players were really the characters we care about, if the villains had had any tangible presence I think it would've just taken away from that.", "My experience with animes has always been that the English is \"poorly\" written. I always assumed it's because they wrote English lines, but with Korean/Japanese/whatever speech patterns. That may not be the case here though. I don't know any Korean whatsoever.", "the person isn't really handwaving so much as speaking in a broad truth that you find distasteful to your own narrative. \n\nYes it is true that privileges such as generational wealth, race, and gender play a role in a person's success along with a healthy dose of luck, but people like you actually seem to handwave that the people advantaged by these privileges who are successful are also incredibly capable and talented in their own right. \n\nPart of why generational wealth is a thing is because of the discipline and culturally ingrained into some families. \n\nSquid game is a shitty metaphor for society's ills. Its psuedo intellectual garbage is inconsistent and poorly though out. Squid game creates a system where things are arbitrary and success has little more to do than with luck. Real life in capitalist democracies is far more fair than this. Merit does count for a lot - while in squid game - for the most part having brute strength and an appetite for murder will get you furthest. \n\nThe allegory and metaphor in squid game is hot garbage. it's nowhere near as deep as it seems to think it is. Take the main character we are supposed to be rooting for - he has the balls to act like he's morally superior to squid game enterprise - yet he actively tried to kill the old man for his own survival - a game he willingly returned to - but takes no responsibility for his actions in. He is the face of corrupted humanity - not its savior.", "LMAO Sogeking", "Asian vip is the most chill", "Isn’t every character in that show a caricature? The dead beat dad who wants to win money to get his daughter back but doesn’t actually want to spend any time with her because he’s such a deadbeat. The plucky girl who fights back against comically slimy men. The slimy man who is just comically evil. The businessman who is just smart about everything and ruthless to boot.", "Bruh she was a well written character. I liked her.", "This is ridiculous but the bathroom/vent scene isn't? It's heightened drama guys.", "Sounds like you dont like the character and are making up reasons for you not liking her.\n\nIts okay to like a character just because. You dont have to have a big thought out reason.", "Yeah, you'll see this a bunch in East Asian media with English speaking characters. They can be native speakers with plain American accents and still sound like they have traumatic brain injury.", "I know. The strawman is you blaming me for supposedly not knowing this when I do. I fucking do know. You're not inconveniencing me with some hidden truth because I knooooooooooooooowwwwww\n\nThis doesn't invalidate my complaints about the VIPs. Stop accusing me of ignorance. I want what you want, so stop being an asshole about it.", "Definitely prefer and watched with subtitles, but one annoying thing that I only notice with Netflix stuff is that some lines will flash onscreen for such a short time that no human could possibly read them. It's not that frequent, thankfully, but if something is worth writing the sub (not just a grunt or \"ok\"), I wish there was some minimum display time. There are lines that literally blink onscreen for tiny fractions of a second.", "Sounds like you like to simplify things and compare everything to loosely similar things.\n\nI liked the character and her behavior made perfect sense for her backstory.", "Yeah no. They very obviously made these characters fell kinda off putting and weird on porpouse to not make them look good or sympathetic. The show is anti capitilsm so portraying some western billionaires as even a little \"cool\" would undermine that point.", "Makes sense. I wonder if the popularity of Squid Game will force some studios there to rethink this though? i.e. I wonder if they will try harder to target certain new shows to global audiences, instead of just the Korean market?\n\nI'm also curious about all the characters on Squid Game that did not seem overacted at all. One of my favourite characters was the rather quiet girl (who's name I've since forgotten). I wonder if the fact that she was not acted over the top was some sort of cultural reference that flew over my head as well? There were many other characters like that as well. IIRC it was mainly a handful of the main characters that were overacted to a degree that took me out of the story. The worst offenders by far was the male lead and that one lady.. I'm sure you know who I mean here\n\nI'll be honest though, Squid Game sort of opened my eyes a bit and forced me to search through non-American/British content on Netflix. So far I found the excellent German production Barbarians", "I gotta say, I totally disagree. \n\nThe rationale of your argument favours stereotype and caricature of non-local ethnicities, which is kinda exactly /not/ what the world needs more of right now and the execution of which throughout the history of media propagation has done a lot of real world damage. \n\nSure maybe no-one was planning for the show to go viral, but looking at the sets and scope alone they sure as shit hoped it would and budgeted generously for it, accordingly. Furthermore, this is not some unaligned backwater we're talking about, where competent English speaking screen-writers would be hard to come by, this is South Korea, man, vassal state and geopolitical focal point of the US empire. \n\nI really don't think cost was the factor here, I'm very confident to ascribe it to simple laziness with a light dusting of artistic intention.", "From the Koreans on YouTube that I watch it sound's like most Koreans can speak English to a level where they can understand most of what people are saying if you speak slowly but if they need to be in a conversation with a native English speakers they just don't have enough experience talking in the language in a natural way to be comfortable. Sounds like it's similar to how it is in Japan. Quite a bit of theory experience but It's hard to find native English speakers to practice with.", "I think a big part of it too was they purposely over annunciate words and speak overly clearly because their target audience is non native english speakers.", "I don't think you do, you want to believe your truth is the truth.", "I like Ari Aster a lot, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever seen his name mentioned on Reddit. And I’ve been on Reddit for 13 years lol.", "I watched the show, but I still don’t understand the criticism for that part of it. Haven’t seen many explanations for why it was so bad. Didn’t stick out to me when I watched.", "There is literally nothing more cringey than someone posting a ridiculous comment and then ending it with “sigh.” I’m dying from second hand embarrassment.", "people still posting this unfunny dude", "I thought squid game was better. But alice is good too", "Me on raid nights?", "Oh god, every German line in pretty much any Hollywood movie gives me shivers. Zero effort to get it right.", "Dear god that entire scene is just painfully long. I get why they put the baby scene in as a sense of his last moments being happy human ones, but the whole thing is just over the top dramatic and soap opera style.\n\nIt’s pretty common in cultures that don’t consume a lot of media and need things spelled out though. Even in the US, there are tons of shows (CW comes to mind) built for people who need the over the top acting to understand what’s going on.", "Yeah but I give him a pass because his character is probably quite Americanised, like many Latinos who grow up in the US. Gus Fring has no excuse and it's so jarring", "Weaboo typically refers to Japanese people and I think that seeking refuge from the more direct western society in Japanese media is counterproductive since their society values open communication less than western societies.\n\nEdit - I mean obsession with Japanese people", "Acting wildly over the top, or just flamboyantly gay, as one of the rich guys actually is.", "Damn. Imagine watching that and thinking the point was something else. This is why the overacting exists.", "Wow. Please forgive me for wanting all characters regardless of their ethnicity to be portrayed believably relative to others in the same show.\n\nI have no idea why you're on this righteous vendetta against me despite the fact that I also would 100% prefer non-white characters to be portrayed believably in western media. These aren't mutually exclusive.", "Are Koreans a very literal people?", "So like how Americans portray asians", "It could have been a darkly funny joke, it just wasn't told right.", "The other commenter is correct, rape has far more to do with power and control than sexual urge. There are also clearly rapists who do so solely for sexual urge, but it’s a known and studied phenomenon that rapists generally rape to exert power and control, and it’s the power and control that gets them off. Also, try being less of a dick.", "the fixation with 69 really solidified how bad the writing is on the show. \n\nLike no American would ask \"why did you pick 69?\" they would all know and call him out for being fucking dumb. \n\nAlso it is beyond implausible that a gay man would have the herp derp 69 so funny fixation.", "Nice", "Nice!", "the horrifying truth is that ALL the acting is actually overblown and cartoony - but you can't tell because you aren't korean. nobody watches those performances and thinks \"these could be mistaken for real people.\" it's very clearly \"a show.\" in acting there are ways you are supposed to ACT to COMMUNICATE things to an audience who Needs to know what you're thinking. so a realization has to be cartoonishly overblown, \"OMG\" rather than just a slight eyebrow raise. \n\n\nbut because so many english viewers watched the subtitles instead of the dub, the contrast was very high. if y'all had watched the dub, you'd have seen it didn't stand out much.", "Yes the show is a 10/10 without the awful VIP characters", "I'm still disappointed the other American VIP wasn't Joel McHale. The voice sounded so much like him, and his lines sounded so...Joel McHale-ey. \n\nIt would have been a hilarious Easter egg.", "No thanks. I'm not that invested in the show. I'd rather be able to multitask and listen to what's going on, not be glued to the screen constantly.", "It's not weird.\n\nLanguage isn't 1:1. When you translate something, you'll always lose a few words, because not every word exists in other languages. So the translators get creative and change the dialogue to sound correct/natural.\n\nSecondly, the dub is trying to match the timing of the scene/lip movements as best as it can. A long English word could be a single syllable in Korean, so they have to go off script/change the true dialogue to stay in sync.", "i definitely wouldn’t say asian cinema is just a rehash of old hollywood trends though.", "BECAUSE HE'S A LOSER.\n\nThe show tries so hard to make that guy likable and the hero, but like, there's nothing redeeming about him. His naiveté is not charming - it comes off as borderline mental illness. He's somewhat warm hearted but also pretty down to kill people.\n\nHe's not a good guy. He's a pretty shit person with no coping skills to deal with the trauma he's experienced in life.\n\nThey say money doesnt change you, it just makes you more the person you already were. definitely true with this guy. Loser before, loser after.", "I'm so confused by your whole stance...Why can't gay guys like 69?", "well Mad Max, at least the most recent one, wasn't supposed to be subtle. But it was refreshing to have the commoditization of women by patriarchy at the center of an action film.\n\nVersus the themes in squid game are very well trod ground.", "Whenever there are white people in non-white movies/tv shows , you can be sure there will be some bad acting and horroble dialogue.", "Same. I thought it was purposefully over the top cliche.", "This is not that true besides the one lady that's kinda 'out there.' I hear this claim a lot, if you've been to Korea and actually mingled with friends or peer groups a lot of the talking is that way when not in a super formal setting. Such as a contest where you're competing against eachother.", "Thats not my point,and im not from the US. Im talking about the overal bad acting and camera angles in the scene itself where he presents it to her as if it is real and the child takes it and pulls the trigger while its aimed at him.The screenplay doesnt fit the script at all nor does it affect the storyline further up the road.To be fair i only watched that episode to judge if its something i''ll watch in my downtime.", "Lol the writing is basically how South Koreans think Americans would talk", "Squid Game started strong but got really fucking bad in the end. Just not well executed all the way through.", "Seoul U guy trying to murder his team in honeycomb game was odd", "I don't think I would, either.\n\nThe particular aspect of melodramatic acting to portray a \"heightened\" cinematic experience is 100% a staple of old western media, though.\n\nAn old staple that is widely mocked, in today's Western world.", "At first I felt the same way as everyone about the vips but honestly having them be this alien like, un charismatic, out of touch dudes seemed very appropriate. Elon musk would've totally bet for 420. My one complaint is that 1 million us dollars is way too little money to bet on your bloodsport with your illuminati friends.", "As someone who watched a few death game shows, I was pretty interested in the B plots. It shows that the people running the game aren’t infallible. But yeah, it would be nice if the organ farm plot line had a more significant impact.", "The whole English dub sucked. It felt like the people had only one expression (expecially the girl). Hope they will redub it", "you misunderstood. He said if he is any good that he can get him off in 5 minutes or less he gets to live.", ">I've only seen a handful of Korean films\n\nIs \"The Man from Nowhere\" (2010) one of them?", "Yeah, there are enough of those extraneous scenes in Korean movies and tv shows that it's basically a trope.\n\nTonally, they generally tend to veer into bittersweetness and/or gag humor as a contrast to whatever came beforehand. Where those scenes are edited in - and also how they are executed - really make or break them. They work at times, but more often than not, they definitely do turn into ham and cheese moments IMO.\n\nBegs the question: do folks enjoy ham and cheese in their sammichs?", "No, I get it I promise. It’s just not as funny that way.", "I think the satire hit too close to home to people that want to think of billionaires as cool instead of categorically cringey.", "Gustavo’s spanish was so absurdly bad that it wrapped around to being entertaining again. Wouldn’t have it any other way, lol", "Yeah nah I’m pretty sure they wrote those lines because to their local audience, these are the stereotypical phrases from Americans. Also notice how the annunciation is slower than a normal English speaker’s natural speed - also for the ESL folks. It’s to help our ESL friends to understand better.", "Everyone keeps saying it makes sense and was intended, but I am not really buying it.\n\nOh Il-nam was one of these guys and an originator of the game, and he was nuanced and did not come off as a doofus at all.\n\nI think the VIPs totally detracted from the last part of the show by ruining the atmosphere that was created prior to their arrival and by making the terrifying villains just a pack of fucking idiots.\n\nI also don’t buy it because the only VIP who didn’t come across as just a moron was the Chinese guy, despite also speaking English most of the time.\n\nEither (1) they really were supposed to be that oafish, but they were still poorly acted, and it didn’t work, or (2) it really just got lost in translation.\n\nThe VIPs were hands down the worst part of a cool show, but they stuck out like a sore thumb and took all the menace out of the rest of the show.", "sogeking?", "Just like the Asian accents in the old American movies didn’t make sense…", "But it wasn’t just that they were unnatural (and they were).\n\nThe sucked all the air out of the impending drama and menace represented by the VIPs and replaced it with doubt as to how such fucking idiots could conceivably take part in orchestrating such events without getting themselves caught.\n\nIt went from mysterious, creepy, and intriguing to my just going “seriously? These guys?”\n\nI really liked the show but the VIPs ruined the atmosphere they spent the whole show cultivating.\n\nThe VIPs still could have been presented as hedonistic, selfish, and depraved, but making their little, secret cabal 80% total morons made it much less intense and much less believable.", "Ewww VIP #4 is a sex tourist that decided to just stay in Thailand forever", "It didn't bother me because I figured it's how millionaires this grossly rich would be. They are constantly surrounded by yes men that they start to believe what they say is actually funny, witty and profound. No one would dare not laugh at their lame jokes or disagree with them.", "It’s crazy because I knew they were corny af but I thought it fit in with how disconnected ultra-rich psychos are from the average people. Like they seemed damn near mentally ill but I just thought that if they really had as much money as they did, who’s stopping them from being their weird ass immature selves? It was obvious they were all sick people, but they totally reminded me of man-children but psychotic and absurdly rich. \n\nMy imagination can be very wild and sometimes over-accommodating though.", "I remember thinking, 5 minutes... that's a pretty solid blowjibber. Then I figured, he's old, overweight, pretty drunk, probably self-loathing, he's likely got some performance issues, which makes it a lot less of a flex.\n\nI hope you can give me an orgasm in five minutes... because I actually haven't had one in several months. My doctor is very concerned.", "I mean Squid Game is very much Korean production though. There bar for representation is different than Hollywood's. Not saying it's not an issue but putting American standards for representation discounts the progress of other cultures media. \n\nYes it is an issue and yes it needs to be addressed, but at the end of the day Squid Game is very much a Korean production for a Korean audience.", "they way they all agreed that picking 69 was the soul of high wit and that it was the gay man fixated on 69 - made no sense. \n\nBeing fixated on 69 is a very juvenile straight boy thing. Not a rich gay man who has enough fuck off money to do this.", "Nice!", "Wow I’m so glad I don’t let such trivial things like small okayish acting parts to an overall amazing tv series ruin my experience. Such a good show overall, absolutely loved every minute of it", "no one minds that they were uncouth douchebags. It was that the dialogue was stilted and implausible", "I always thought the billionaires were just so disconnected with reality that they have to make every minor thing as entertaining as possible. At the end the director even said that they don't feel anything at all anymore because they have nothing to work for.", "people are annoyed that it was badly done shallow/stupid dialogue.", "[Oh my GOOOOOOOD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTBIQDPZt4)", "Can confirm", "The phrasing this person used was off, but in this context they are saying “people foreign to the English language,” as opposed to “native speakers of English,” they aren’t saying people native to a place. I wouldn’t have said it the way they did, but connotation-wise your correction would actually make their comment less clear", "I think regular consumers of foreign movies probably didn't find this THAT surprising. It was certainly noticeable, but awkward overacting Americans can be found in a lot of non-English language stuff. In particular it reminded me of American baddies in some Hong Kong action movies.", "I mean Dutch is kinda like if English and German had a baby but it was aborted and grew up anyway.", "Well in the case of Attack on Titan, I actually preferred the english dub.\n\nT", "Have you been missing my point the whole time? I've been talking about Hollywood movies here, not Squid Game.", "And if they wanted to be relevant they'd have a Bezos and Zuck looking ass not some old dude with a beer belly.", "American characters in Asian films use only bad actors. It's a rule. Dont know who made the rule but they've been following it for the last 20 years.", "I really thought that they were supposed to be portraying stupid/fat/dumb/loud rich Americans. Like.. it fits lol", "LMAOOO id forgotten about this, it was way goofier than squid game.\n\nImagine a show with a bunch of american actors, all speaking standard american english, except the leader who has a Borat accent. And no one says anything about it, and the story is he is american born, very serious, etc \n\n\nEdit: the Wire, except stringer bell has a Jackie Chan accent. Ok there, im done", "Im pretty sure that it is WILDLY more popular than any other death game movie/show. It topped the charts in 70 countries for weeks straight.\n\nIdk how it isnt revolutionary. In my opinion it was far better than any previous death game movie/show even ignoring its wild popularity. It took the time to make the characters matter. It wasnt just a goreshow about fucked up things people will do to try to survive. It showed their motivations and fears, not just them getting ripped to bits.", "Yeah.", "A common piercing and a common haircut made the character into a stereotype? Huh???", "yeah that's what I thought", "This is a huge part of the problem:\n\n[Kennedy added that, in Squid Game, the VIPs weren’t given any context to their scenes, meaning they invented their own back stories for their characters, who they decided were “total idiots” and “dirtbag millionaires”.](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/squid-game-vip-acting-criticism-b1941696.html)\n\nIf they had to make a choice in a vacuum and weren’t properly made to understand the tone of the show, how were they supposed to know that portraying their characters as oafish doofuses wouldn’t work well?", "it needs to be at least twice this size!", "Dude loves the fact someone offered to suck his dick", "This is true going back to the Jackie chan movies. I assumed they gave the american accent actors one take to do everything.", "FUCK YOUR RICE!", "This explains a lot, now I have a better appreciation of the show, not that I didn't like it, but I thought the last couple of episodes was a bit flat, but I just looked at it from the kind of show I would be used to from mostly American sentiments.", "It sounds better than German, and similar to English.", "Tbf, I’d say more Americans don’t understand billionaire culture…so even our critiques of it are pretty out there. From what we have seen of live footage of bezos recently, I’m not convinced these types of people aren’t actually that eccentric and “on the nose.”", "Assss to asssss", "Prepare your downvotes:\n\nSquid game was terrible. \n\nThe first few episodes set up an intriguing reality, but the last two or three were just flat plain bad. The terrible acting from the VIPs aside, the big reveal was that [\"a rich dude did this because he was bored\"](#s)? That's the emotional center of the piece? And then the \"twist\" ending? [The main character is going back to be a....vigilante](#s)? Who fucking cares? Oh...you [willingly participated in an event that involved mass murder, but now that you've done it...you regret it](#s)? Sorry sister. Not impressed.\n\nThe larger issue is, Netflix isn't good. It's what we're stuck with because we've been fooled in to believing that good content can be made cheaply. It cant. Also, we're paying now $15/month for what is essentially one TV channel. Because of that, we're forced to watch whatever crap they roll out to us. Another horrible Adam Sandler movie? Lets make it the most watched movie of all time. Bird Box? Holy fuck don't even get me started. We watch bad TV because we're too cheap to watch good TV, but I'd argue that services that suck are expensive at any price, and that was never clearer than watching Squid Game become the most watched TV in history.\n\nIt's just not good.", "I'm pretty certain that they will have the cop brother come back next season to help Gi-Hun solve the mystery. He was shot then fell off screen into water. \n\nI've watched plenty of these types of shows to know, if they do not specifically show the person dead without a doubt. They are for sure going to bring him back later on.", "Localizations are often done by people who are in a hurry and potentially also not actually native speakers. They pump it out as quickly as possible and carry on. \n\nWhen I saw Skyfall in Korea there was a scene where Bond says some heavily meaningful thing to M and the translation to Korean was just, \"Yes.\" I saw Deadpool with a Korean friend and his foreign wife. I saw a couple things that looked off in the subs, but after the movie he was like, \"Guys the subs were so bad, no wonder none of the other Koreans in the theater were laughing.\"", "I mean have you ever watched somebody sitting in $1,000+ seats at a football game dink on their phone the whole time? Definitely a thing.", "I don’t understand how rape, a sexual act, has more to with power and control than sexual urges. I think people are getting too obsessed over “power balances” in today’s society and it is making them oblivious to factors that are much more prevalent then they assume.", "Generally true of most* foreign language sections in American movies. I would hope Spanish language sections are a bit better, because native speaking or at least fluent actors and writers are common. But I shudder to think how bad the Russian in something like Hunt for Red October might be.", "One of the VIP actors [put it like this:](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/19/they-didnt-just-pick-us-up-off-the-street-meet-the-globally-derided-squid-game-vips)\n\n> “To me, the show was expressing the feeling that we are all just a bunch of have-nots who are being pitted against each other, fighting over crumbs while all these giant corporations and billionaires hoard all of the wealth as the world is dying. I feel the show expressed that really well.”\n\nPretty good article, glad u/SamBoDay posted it\n\ne: Of course it’s not a new concept, but it seems like a lot of people appreciate the execution", "No I’m just trying to look at it from a more sensical point of view. I don’t get how oversimplifying a complex issue is helping solve the problem.", "I agree. It would have been better without the 001 twist.", "It caters to a very specific demographic, that happens to be where a lot of people fall into. I don't know anything about your socioeconomic status (not stalking your profile because you aren't a dick), but for people who are struggling to make monthly rent payments, afford basic necessities, or have life-crushing debt, they can likely see themselves in at least one member of the cast.\n\nOne of the directors goals where I think he did miss the mark is he wanted to show that extreme poverty and debt could happen to anyone, but nobody's downfall was really shown in detail aside from the boss type.\n\nIf you do feel the sting of capitalism and still didn't like it, hey, maybe it just wasn't for you. Individuality is beautiful.", "You don’t have to understand it, but it’s a documented fact. Think of it as a super fucked up fetish. The act of having utter control is what makes them cum, not the sex itself. Sorry reality doesn’t fit the square boxes you want it to", "I thought they were pretty hilarious. The entire show was had been really heavy. The contestants were still in dire straights. Then we cut to a rich, moron dude-bros not giving a shit. It added some welcome absurdism to the whole ordeal.", "I’m failing to see how you are missing the point…\n\nYou said sex trafficking rings prove wealthy people get bored easily and need extreme forms of entertainment. I said that is not the reason sex trafficking rings exist at all.", "I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of rapists who do it for that reason. I agree with you on that. \n\nI’m saying to completely generalize an entire body of people and say “they all do it for the reason” doesn’t make much sense. \n\nIt is statistically impossible for that to be every rapists reason for doing it, do you get what I mean? \n\nI am trying to have a civil conversation about it now, you don’t have to be rude.\n\nIt’s like when people generalize all of reddit and say “reddit always this” or “reddit only cares about” etc.\n\nReddit is a large group of people generalizing them would make no sense, for example.", "The other guy said it has far more, not all rapists. You might need to go back and reread it.", "Are you trying to tell me that the Germans in Beerfest weren't actually German?!", "I've seen the smiling gif so many times and never the video source.", "Kinda true, seems like you’d want to keep your allies around as long as possible. He could have figured he had a good chance of joining a stronger crew, as long as they didn’t know about his betrayal- and how would they? It does show that he consistently put himself first, which is almost nice in that they don’t play the “Shocking BFF Betrayal!” card with him. Like yes, we can be dismayed by his behavior, but it shouldn’t come as a surprise anymore.", "The worst part of squid games was the first half hour. It took me 4 trys to get through that monstrosity, glad I did because I enjoyed it. But fuck, that beginning was awful.", "I agree. It sucked after about 3 episodes.", "I don't know, but if adam driver can deliver this line perfectly:\n\n> \"I just had sex and I'm about to eat NACHOS! IT'S THE GREATEST MOMENT OF MY LIFE!\" \n\ni feel like we shouldn't rule it out.", "I think you're mixing two different things here. Yeah, pronunciation mostly sucks with non-english languages, but at least if the show is any good they tend to be usually well written despite how awful they portray them (ex. Gus in Breaking Bad) \n\nSquid Games' issue isn't related to pronunciation, just lazy and childish writing.", "> God I have been watching Attack on Titan\n\nSo, uh, I'd pace myself if I were you.", "No I’m not. I see that it wasn’t you who made the original comment, but you replied to my refutation of it. This is literally the same thread", "The VIPs almost ruined the whole thing for me, very very very close. That and the really random inner monologue about a decision we all understood immediately and didn’t need clarification on.", "My friend, might I suggest you're consuming the wrong medium. Have you heard of radio?", "Cmon dude you never really cared until now.", "I think everybody can weigh in, no?", "Billionaires are like this. They're callous memelords", "I honestly thought they just pulled whatever English speakers they could get off the street", "If you pretend it's on purpose to show how disconnected the billionaires are from the reality of the situation it helps.", "The fuck? The original commenter didn’t reply to me. You did. You continued the thread. How are you this dense?", "Meh, the dialogue was unrealistic and felt like it was written from someone who made them out as NPCs from a video game. I wasn't overly focused on them, but it was distracting from the story.", "No, it's meant as a grim caricature of billionaires who have 0 morals and are bored. Their performance is jarring and they're immediately unlikable. I'm sorry to say that many with unquestionable wealth and power act like utter fuckwits", "I don't have a problem with English subs (I watch anime with subs) but I actually watched the English dub. I thought the voice overs were quite well done, and not super awkward as compared to an anime scene dub. Maybe the original Korean audio sounds weird to a native Korean speaker though idk", "I don't speak Spanish, but I remember thinking his Spanish sounded weird. It's not that I could tell his accent was bad, it was more that I had never heard that type of accent before so something sounded odd.", "Glad I wasnt the only one who thought this. Made me think of the batman and robin movie.", "Watch the mouth movement, many of the white Elites were speaking english straight up!", "if we love to hate them, they did it right", "The french canadian woman in The Serpent.", "> a bit more dramatised \n \nThat's why", "Oh shit. What was bad about it ?", "In the subtitles Oppa was translated as “Babe” when I was watching it", "I rewatched the scene a few times cuz it was funny how terrible it was", "yeah. they sucked.", "No dude. It was terrible. It was so terrible it became funny.", "Definitely a similar marketing vibe, although I enjoyed squid game a million times more than birdbox. It's flawed, but overall really enjoyable and entertaining. Themes were in your face but seeing from some of the reactions on here and in my own life, it needed the lack of sublety", "Not that you asked, but a few counterpoints occurred to me as I read your comment:\n\n- Rating the quality of the performances is subjective, the acting worked for me (I watched w/ subtitles)\n\n- The only games that favored strength were tug-of-war (which didn’t work out that way after all) & Squid Game. The other games were Green Light/Red Light, Honeycomb (carving a sugar shape with a needle), Marbles, and the Glass Bridge. The in-dorm killing was effed, but I’m sure by design, b/c F you desperate people.\n\n- Maybe you’ve never watched anything that had unanswered questions, but often that’s done to leave room for sequels or some other form of follow-up. It’s heavily hinted as the intent by the main character’s actions at the end.\n\n- The way the actual Squid Game played out was ironic. We get the rules of gameplay in the opening scene, but by the time they play as part of the competition we know it’s all been a flimsy pretense to put humans through hell & see what potentially awful shit they do in the face of it.\n\n- The shapes on the masks are the most basic shapes we know & they weren’t invented by Sony; it’s a simple way to convey the differences btwn the staff in keeping with the stark color contrasts between them & the contestants. Color-coding them would have diminished that effect. Other symbols would have been unnecessarily complex. These are ones you learn in childhood, along with the games played.", "Haha sex number", "It can still be bad, even though it was intended.", "What the fuck do you know about me? My original comment had nothing to do with ANY of this and you pounce on me trying to manufacture hysteria.\n\nIf you knew anything about me you'd realize how incredibly fucking dumb you sound accusing me of not caring about that. You're turning me into some sort of racist strawman just so you can feel self-righteous about yourself.\n\nMy original comment was DEFENDING THE ACTORS WRITERS AND DIRECTORS in the scene and argued it was over the top on purpose. But somehow not liking that creative decision means that I have some sort of \"whites only\" perspective on media. Grow the fuck up. I'm not your enemy.", "It's okay, this is actually my first rewatch.", "The english was atrocious, both writing and performance. Unexcusable for such a well produced show.\n\nWhy not have the whole thing in the same language?", "It also works the other way too, I remember trying to learn French, and on a whim started saying things in a cartoonishly French way, and it apparently sounded better(To the French speaker). You really have to use your mouth differently when speaking another language. Its fascinating how the same person speaking two different languages sounds completely different.", "I also think another part would be since it was primarily for Korean audiences the English they did choose to use in the move was supposed to be relatively simple words and phrases, something that maybe students with a few years of English classes could understand. They weren’t about to write in lots of complicated fast spoken English monologues that most native viewers wouldn’t be able to get.", "It kind of reminds me of the American southern colloquialism “Big Daddy”. Basically means dad, grandpa, or even the top boss. Like talking about the owner of the company “He’s the big daddy around here”. Basically any patriarchal position. Buuut in modern parlance and depending on the context it comes off way more sexual than how your grandma might have used it. My grandma used to call my grandpa big daddy. Like “Don’t go running around in there while big daddy’s watching the race”.", "Honestly the main draw for me was wondering how the whole thing functions. I didnt really care for the overly dramatic speeches. I wanted more of the detective backstory, which fell off a cliff.", "False. The worst part of squid game was watching the main character lick his sugar umbrella.", "speaking of Xmen, Jennifer Lawrence's Vietnamese in one of the Xmen movies is god awful. She's pronouncing only like 10% of the words right at that.", "i get Netflix free from T-Mobile “The phone service for thots”. it has its benefits. so a free ass weird ass Korean Tv series was like a free frosty at wendy’s for me..\n\nThats Wendy’s the to-go meals for “the Classier thot.”", "Well yes?", "https://youtu.be/7pZ7Kj00wJ4", "He sounds awesome, anyway. There's apparently a difference to native speakers. Even I thought he probably sounded ridiculous, though awesome.", "I have to respectfully disagree. Their “over the top” acting was simply…bad acting, in my eyes. \n\nJim Carey is over the top. Robin Williams is over the top. There are a great many film actors who take their performances over the top but remain believable. The writing AND the performance of the VIPs was extremely, extremely weak, regardless of whether or not it was over the top.", "I responded why they did what they did. You didn't like that and here we are.", "I thought it obvious those actors spoke English. They aren't Korean.", ">Begs the question: do folks enjoy ham and cheese in their sammichs?\n\nMaybe koreans are more literal people?\n\nA bit ... simple, when it comes to abstract thinking?", "I think that's kind of the point. They have no grounding.", "How is Hollywood movies relevant to this discussion when the show being discussed is Squid Game lol.", "hollywood does what? Write bland, one dimensional non-native speakers?", "That's not what I was saying. I was referring to the writing, not the actors.", "Agreed, and I haven't bothered to see how people reacted. I did notice the Koreans underrepresented themselves in that group. Do they think their elites aren't local? If it wasn't for the old guy who participated in the games the evilest people would've been all white, and the old guy can come across as endearing and having an interesting perspective whereas the VIPs were just shallow.", "The funny thing for me is that I always almost understand you guys. But there is that small barrier that prevents that.", "At least the dialogue and script isnt cringey as fuck there. Thats what makes the difference imo. Im willing to tolerate a fake sounding spanish as long as im invested in what they say.", "Sounds like White Claw Gabe", "I enjoyed the exchanges. Didn't seem that unnatural.", "LOL", "You kinda came out the gate swinging with accusations. I understand why they did what they did, I just don't think it was a very good decision since it broke the suspension of disbelief. Go ahead, please tell me that the same thing breaks your belief when it happens with non-white characters. I also agree.", "They're kinda important though, they represent the 1% of a capitalistic society which is the social commentary of Squid Game.", "That's fucking good.", "just because someone is fluent in english and \"teaches\" english does not mean they know how to translate and edit lines from another language to english. its a different skillset.", "Wait a second. Since when can only straight men 69?", "Well done.", "And they can still be that representation while being only mentioned a few times and otherwise implied. The commentary would work the exact same.", "It really reminds me of American made shows that have one E Asian character who's written to speak bad English in a heavy accent lol. Just seeing the tables turned", "Yea you are right. Was writing that comment on my phone at 3am lol. Didn't realize how oddly I worded it til I woke up.", "i feel like all the people who say their dialog was over the top have really no idea how actual rich people talk in private lol", "Speech patterns?", "I remember nba jam on the genesis. It was piss easy to get \"he's on fire\" and nail a 3 or a dunk.", "Agreed. I thought that part ruined the show. It’s all Korean and then all of a sudden they’re speaking English white men.", "I remember that one VIP whose shirt was not even ironed like wtf my broke ass can't even stand going out and wear a $2 shirt unironed.", "To be fair I fully expect the illuminati to be so impossibly rich and out of touch with reality that they just make fart and sex jokes and would seem incredibly awkward to normal people.", "Magneto is literally not supposed to be Polish though, right? In the context of the movie", "Agree 100%. It felt like a different show even. The show was building up to this - Why is this happening? Oh this looks intense, what’s the story behind these games. The setup seems very grand for some dark web scheme So who is behind these? But the big revelation seemed like an after thought and even worse, a very low effort plot fix. The VIP part was terrible for a whole lot of reasons from the poor concept, the tacky production, to the bad acting. The bad acting is just doing a good job at misdirecting the disappointment, since “westerners” and “Korean show” is the easiest to put your finger down at. \n\nThe games were too well thought out to be funded by such disinterested/dumb VIPs ( like why would they give you an option to leave? These guys don’t care). They were laughing at the participants’ demise. I think they would’ve enjoyed hunting the participants like animals instead of watching them play games. (I can’t imagine them approving the candy game. watching someone crouch down and try to pop a shape seems extremely uncharacteristic of them). And why squid game then? Why not just a fight to death? I think that would’ve been equally graphic, or even more since you can win the squid game without killing the other person. In fact, the only thing that makes sense is the massacre that happened, which wasn’t even a round. Stating these were No. 1’s childhood games doesn’t really fit with the whole VIP setup. Anyhow, it was just an incredibly dumb plot, especially when the game plot had so much depth and character development. Don’t even get me started on No.1 trying to be preachy in the end. \n\nIt’s bad if I can come up with more intriguing plots. Like what if each VIP funded and organized a round to entertain the others. That they would try to outdo the previous rounds to show of their wealth/power and that’s why the games became better/tougher/more evil as the rounds went on. Or that the games were a government scheme to get rid of the cockroaches in their society. Tempt them with money and let them kill each other so that they stop leaching govt funds. That would also explain why the games seemed so organized when it came to their recruitment process, guards and setup. Heck, if they made organ harvesting the main motivation, that would’ve been awesome. That was their funding. You fail and they take your organs. They even showed that a lot of characters were threatened with that in the real world anyway, so the game was just a chance at survival.", "It's not about who can 69 - it's about who would be juvenile enough to joke about it. \n\nIt's not implausible because gay men don't 69 - I'd argue we probably do it more - it's implausible bc it's very straight bro humor. I would argue that not even a grown rich straight bro would make such an obv middle school joke", "Oui dans ma tête dans cette version Batroc est juste québécois, pourquoi pas. Si t'es du Québec, je vois qu'il vient de Montérégie, c'est du lourd niveau accent ou c'est relativement standard ?", "Nice!", "Yea and its pretty poorly done and jarring. \n\nI think the vibe they were going for made sense but the execution was really crunchy", "Oppa is used to respect age hierarchy from women to men (there are other words used for men to men, men to women and women to women). Oppa has been slightly sexualised due to kdramas and kpop. Since kpop idols are usually older than their fans (aka middle school girls), kpop oppas have become a thing.\n\nIn the context of Squid Game, the woman is trying to act cute and younger by calling the gangster dude “oppa”. But everyone can see through the act because she’s obviously not young", "\\WiiU game, Switch port", "Gay men love to 69 - but we're not the types to make middle school jokes about it. \n\nThat's very douchey frat boy energy. \n\nIt just reeked of inauthenticity", "Nice!", "Lol", "Just looked it up (in the movie chronology) cuz I was curious - he’s German, survived the concentration camps and bummed around Germany and Switzerland after the war, then spends years in America (much of it in prison) and emigrates to Poland when he is like 45 or something. Would expect his Polish to suck :)", "So VIP4 is insane IRL too?", "You must be around very mature people then. In my circle 69 is funny still because, why not? No one is taking it seriously. And people use very dumb reasons behind their gambling habits. That didn't seem out of place to me at all.", "The pronunciation made me feel they were trying to emulate Eyes Wide Shut.", "And the development didn’t even pay off! The main character was still let-down of a father at the end. He could’ve tried to change the world just a little and help people with all that money, but he just lets it all mean absolutely nothing.", "They could've fixed most of it by just not having them talk to each other at all. You could just cut out all their banter and the show would be better for it, maybe even more mysterious.", "I'd argue that its not really believable for any grown man to make a herp derp I'm betting on 69 bc lol 69 decision - but if someone was it wouldn't be the gay man. \n\nWealthy gay men tend towards the sophisticated route not the crass Texas tycoon route. Is it technically possible that a billionaire gay man out there that makes the world's dumbest 69 joke? Sure but it's not particularly likely. \n\nIt just reeked of writers who didn't know any rich people or gay people or Americans for that matter", "Nice!", "I dont watch anime but I watched squid game and parasite with subs. English dub just seemed off", "> Go ahead, please tell me that the same thing breaks your belief when it happens with non-white characters\n\nExactly.", "There was one scene where they said you can't tell the difference in taste between poop and doenjang and it was translated differently since the average westerner obviously wouldn't know what that is", "No it was done perfectly to make a point.", "I continue to disagree.", "J'y suis passé en chemin mais je me suis pas arrêté malheureusement ! J'habite dans l'Illinois donc j'avais fait le trajet jusqu'à Montréal en passant par le Vermont, c'était vraiment sympa, mais là on va attendre que la situation Covid se tasse un peu avant d'y retourner.", "The worst is when the North Korean defector is asked if South Korea is any better than North Korea, and she doesn't respond (seemingly implying that they're, like, equally bad).", "They definitely show a couple of them drinking from glasses at different points", "Touché", "> the Korean writers just straight translating the dialogue to English \n\nI have my doubts. The line referencing \"the bard\" and \"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned\" doesn't seem like something a non-English speaker would be able to write.", "It's wildly more popular than Hunger Games? That franchise was huge. Recency bias is crazy.\n\nThere are plenty of Japanese entries into the genre where the characters matter and they aren't just a goreshow, although they get less in depth with the characters since they are generally 2 hour movies rather than an 8 hour season of a TV show.", "Same thing happens with the spanish in the Vince Gilligan shows", "That whole episode (VIP)? Was pretty bad, out of place from the series, it was like an episode of mighty morphing power rangers.", "Ok, thats fine you're still wrong at the end of the day.", "Pas de soucis, tu t'exprimes très bien ! :)", "I was wondering if western shows portraying Koreans are just cringey for Korean viewers as those VIP were for us.", "Well I didn't know that art has objective truths like that, but hey.", "\"vodka vodka ak47\" - random russian", "It's not like the VIPs are an obvious jab at american over-the-top portrayal of foreigners at all. It's easier to accept that those characters are just terribly designed and in a completely different quality to the rest of the show.", "It's worse there because there's a TON of Spanish speaking immigrants in the US. And the bordering country is full of talented actors and writers.", "I know and I’m saying I don’t agree that it has far more to do with it. I misspoke on that last comment.", "> The Korean actors were actually being a bit broad with their acting as well but you don't notice because you're reading subtitles.\n\nI think that one girl who swore to kill the mobster and later dragged him off the glass bridge was the embodiment of overacting, while the rest of the cast weren't nearly as on the nose about it", "Wasn’t that the point? That the only difference between all those contestants and the VIPs was the fact that the VIPs had money? So, the VIPs inane and boorish dialogue and ridiculous accents only emphasize the fact that they are human beings no better than 456 or 218 or 101. But since society values money so much we allow it to run our lives, which is what the VIPs signify, and is why everyone agrees to continue the game even in the face of elimination.", "\"Fuck you very much!\"", "The disconnect between Korean language and English is significant. The slang and dialogue were very off. Babe! Jerk! The VIP dialogue was atrocious. Literally sounded like it was written by a middle school student", "That was my thought when watching the VIPs. They seemed to be native English speakers but their performance sounded like an awkward English dub over a Korean performance. \nJust goes to show how much Direction matters. Though I still think a lot could have been improved by having a native English speaker just give the few pages of script a once-over.", "Then you have Borat. Though the whole joke is that he’s a British comedian making things up as he goes along. \nPolish is in there along with Yiddish and a mishmash of other stuff meant to just sound vaguely foreign", "Yep especially when the artist are trying to prove a point.", "My money's on paid advertising and desperate-for-a-story blog journalism.", "When the artist is trying to prove a point you are objectively correct? I don't quite follow.\n\nAnd what point was that again?", "This is how shows are advertised nowadays. Netflix does it in particular. They'll launch a new show, boost some reddit threads to 'organically' cause conversations, and pay or suggest a bunch of pseudo-journalism blogs to put out articles like \"Why SQUID GAME is the new biggest show everyone is watching.\"\n\nIt's why the internet's fake \"word of mouth\" is the first way you heard about Bird Box. and Tiger King. and Stranger Things. and...", "My understanding is that Koreans pay a lot of attention to subtext, and what an American like myself would consider mastery of \"reading the room\"...they would consider an obvious baseline skillset. I'm talking about accurately interpreting intent based off seemingly open-ended statements.\n\nIt's what makes this conversation a bit more complicated because they aren't \"literal people,\" and there's also our external bias in the way we are interpreting the intent (vs seeing it through theirs).", "Read the manga, 100x better. \n\nThen join us every week at /r/onepiece \n\nThe best is theorizing what will happen next and catching details you miss within the chapter. You will miss it in the anime as they don’t show minor details.", "That how the VIPs presented in Squid Game was 100% perfect and intentional. Which is correct.", "You don’t have to agree with facts, but it doesn’t change them.", "Oh, so the artist's intention was that the portrayal of the VIPs was perfect?\n\nWell I can't argue with that logic.\n\nThe next time I create a piece of art, I just make it with the intention of it being perfect and infallible, and it will objectively be so. Neat!\n\nI'll also steal \"You cannot dislike my art, it was intentional\" going forward. I like that one.", "That’s cuz you ain’t a millionaire", "He even evolves into an anime character in the last episode.", "It's pretty common with Asian movies to make the westerners seem really awkward and faintly retarded.", "You really need to come to terms with this.", "So if the actors are English speakers is it taboo for them to suggest that the director or whoever is using a bad translation?", "That I can disagree with a director's vision? Yeah, I'm actually really cool with that concept.", "The VIPs voices and dialogue reminded me of the white actors they used as bad guys boss's in 90s Jackie Chan movies.", "Listen, I hope neither of us hang out with literal Epsteins so this is more a comment on trends in Western culture as we perceive it, right? But he would be our case study, and for example Donald Trump went to Epstein parties. So it's not accurate to say it's unrealistic when, in real life, there's at least one guy at these \"Illuminati\"-styled parties who has a fondness for common-denominator humor/locker room talk. Keep in mind these people are boomers in the most literal sense. Think of how often the very wealthy put their foot in their mouth and it gets immortalized as a meme.\n\nIs every billionaire like that? No, I'd say most are probably relatively mild mannered, but I'm saying inheritance and luck can choose people from all around the world with all sorts of personalities, and from there your argument is \"do gay men have different personalities from straight men\" and I'd argue that, like most of the time in real life, the character's specific sexuality isn't determinant of what kind of personality they have. \n\nTldr; yeah, there's real life wealthy dudes with fratty boomer humor and that doesn't strike me as limited to a specific sexuality", "Why are you so offended?", "Actually I didn’t ignore it at all because exactly ONE of them said that, and granted he was the most “into” the film world, but I would be hugely surprised given the description of his life if he earned his living by acting. You’re just taking one sentence from the article and forming your entire opinion around it.\n\nThe others, are exactly what I described above. Bit part chancers who get offered stuff and take it. Plenty of foreigners in east-Asia could say they’ve been “acting” for years. Which largely translates as they got paid a couple of hundred bucks every now and then to go and stand in the background of a scene somewhere. That’s how it works. If you think there are successful careers for white, English speaking, western actors in east-Asian films you’re completely mistaken.", "I'm not. What makes you think I am offended?", "So considering some of the dialog he had in The Boys, does that mean he's basically doing a soft blackface in that?", "Do people not think rich guys like this are insufferable assholes, especially when they’re drunk and watching people kill themselves violently for entertainment?\n\n\nI’m not going to sit here and tell you the VIPs deserved an Oscar but I also wasn’t so put off by it like everyone else seems to be.", "Dude people with power abuse their position to satisfy their disgusting sexual needs all the time.", "She was my least* favourite character.", "Your attitude sounds like you're offended. You and the director can have different views and perspectives, especially one that depicts something you're not used to.", "I'm not. I'm amused, because you keep implying that I am either not allowed to disagree with a director's vision, or that my disagreement stems from the (seemingly) inevitable fact that I do not understand it, just as you implied in that second half of your sentence right there.\n\nI do understand the director's intention and vision here. I just think it was implemented in a clumsy manner and could have been done better.", "I’d say it’s compelling to a western audience, I’m not a fan of most of the Korean media I’ve seen and I liked it. The K-drama stans I know all seem to have middling to negative opinions of it.", ">I do understand the director's intention and vision here.\n\nNo you dont.\n\n>I just think it was implemented in a clumsy manner and could have been done better.\n\nIt wasn't meant to be better, it was meant to be the way it was shown.\n\nI feel like were running in circles here.", "> No you dont.\n\nHow do you know? How do you know you understand the director's intention and vision?\n\n> It wasn't meant to be better, it was meant to be the way it was shown.\n\nI know that it was \"meant\" to be like that. I know that the director isn't outright incompetent, he did what he wanted to do.\n\nI mean, do you think a director can ever be wrong on something they meant to do?", "It’s not a fact lmao you don’t know what the majority of them are thinking you can’t read minds. Stop generalizing", "I think that’s the point, he doesn’t quit when he’s ahead. The single motivation he had, the force in his life driving him to aspire to more was his daughter. That relationship was at odds with his gambling. He’d rather take irresponsible risks than buckle down and do the right thing. If you read it like a tragedy it fits together nicely, at least that’s how I felt.", "I think that is just how all other countries see Americans", "real hot take huh", "God this hurts the most. These series have so much care put it into them, they're even recorded near the border and yet they couldn't find anyone to proofread any of the Spanish dialogue?", "Well since you had no counterpoint and just accused me of what I accused you of I guess I win this argument lmao. Good job repeating what I said back to me though, very mature", "Last response, because I know you aren’t stupid, just stubborn. I saw you advocating for the vaccine, and told someone they aren’t getting the vax because it would mean they are wrong. This is the same situation. It is a documented phenomenon through the study of rapists by scientists. Be open to information that contradicts what you “know.”", "I absolutely love Westworld but i just cannot find the interest in watching the 3rd season.", "My friend described it as ugly people doing stupid things. After watching the first episode, I'll have to agree with him.", "His accent, the choice of words, the phrasing, it just feels robotic.\n\nEven worse, it doesn't mirror his character.", "“Mario karto!”", "A straight dude over the age of 13 would barely make this joke - herp derp 69 lol is just not gay humor - even a little", "Nice!", "We do - but we don't giggle about it like 12 year olds", "Is your circle filled with gay men or a bunch of straights?", "Epstein hung with the likes of Bull Clinton - I guarantee no one was making a 69 jokes \n\nBut fine even if someone is going to make the joke - there's no way a room full of billionaires who have access to all culture are all going to find it hysterical. \n\nIt was just dumbly and inauthentically written", "Nice!", "I thought it was intentional. Like a comment on power not equating to intelligence or anything. The awkwardness, the juvenileness the unfunny jokes meant to show that they weren't better than the participants, but rather just spoiled idiots who were rich enough to play with the lives of people. Figured it played into the unfairness-of-wealth motief.", "Dude stop reading my old posts to try to get some kind of unrelated dirt on me how pathetic are you 😂\n\nThen why don’t you post some sources that prove it us far more to do with power instead of being arrogant, I’m completely open to admitting I’m wrong, I just don’t think it has more to do with power than sex drive.", "ok so prozd and everyone here missed the point. the vips were intentionally cringey. they're like guys who watch porn together. they all feel grossed out and ashamed so they must project the opposite of how they feel so they can hide their shame. that's why they make ridiculous comments and act like they couldn't care less about the awful things that are happening to other humans. maybe the acting was accidentally bad but there is no way the script was accidental.", "Yeah, cuz he is a VERY well known mexican/american actor, who also wrote one of the best mexican comedies ever.", "Was anyone else just wondering how tf they drank their drinks around their masks? They needed straws...yet there were none. \n\nRegardless, yeah this dialogue was clearly written by non-native English speakers and translated by more non-native English speakers. It didn’t inhibit my enjoyment of the show at all, it was more just something interesting to note. \n\nIt also made me realize that this is probably how non-English speaking characters in American movies sound to viewers who speak that language natively.", "How was I being a dick lmfao", "First of all. Calm down. Second of all, you can discuss whatever you want. I just have faith in the writers and I don't see a point in talking about how things might be bad. Doesn't mean I'm being a dick lmfao", "Lol, it was really bad. The idea that these guys who are so rich to have exhausted all earthly pleasures - such that they are engaged in a highly secretive game of life and death stakes - would be amused by 69 jokes or so immediately distracted by an ordinary blow job, was absolutely comical.\n\nThey came across like 19 year old frat boys, not ultra-rich sadistic villains. It was juvenile, not threatening.", "Nice!", "Gays can be douchey frat types, wtf?", "My best guess is that the writers of the show just don't know American Culture very well, and used some basic phrases that you hear often or jokes they probably found on the internet. \n\nImagine trying to direct an American show as an American and then for one episode you need to write a few Korean characters without knowing the culture.", "Sure, but this only happens once a year and you paid literally millions to be there whereas getting some random guy to suck your dick is an average Monday and Wednesday.", "Yea maybe a Masc gay. This was a fat out of shape gay with no ass. It just doesn't track", "Was that actually part of the Korean version? To me it felt like something Netflix either re-shot or added on for a global release. Super out of place.", "Great movie. But it's not the bog standard either and especially to a native western audience is an outlier of a specific genre that we know.", "Liked the show overall but tbh the ending was super boring and nonsensical.", "Yea the only problem is the use of these foreigners was a huge part of the mythology and world building - so if you're going to make that choice get some help. Korean diaspora is huge in Australia, Canada, US and I assume the UK. It couldn't have been that hard to find a Korean native English speaker who is fluent in Korean also to help out with the writing or on set. \n\nSo yea if I as American were doing to use Korean culture as a lynch pin in my world building id do my homework - and if the budget didn't allow or permit I would've rewritten", "I may have been a bit hyperbolic. I am not one to ever make a concrete, factual observation on these things. That'd be silly. \n\nIt's just that I don't particularly care. Or I have learned that despite watching plenty of foreign films and things that I have a difficult time appreciating a lot of them if, to me, they seem hokey. At which point they are hokey. Not objectively - obviously - but to me.", "It is very different in the spectrum of Asian media. Very. Just by sheer volume. Hundreds and thousands of shows. It's the default.", "I was watching it from the beginning, on default. Which is Korean with English subs. That's the context from where this chain is coming from.", "I try to cross over to lots of different artforms. So I love some Anime. That being said I'll avoid Alice if you say it's unbearable because I believe you LOL.", "Fair enough they should've been written better. In my opinion though, them being shittily written doesn't mean the whole show was.", "I'm only speaking for myself. If the over theatrical acting is grating and annoying to me I'm only going to be honest. Trying to be a critic who is taking well into account the history of the art is not the job I'm doing when I say I don't like it.", "I thought that was the point, the whole show was exaggerated to the point that it's basically absurdist art.", "All good and fair points.\n\nAlthough now that I think about it, the rule “any henchman that shows their face instantly gets shot” makes even less sense. There’s only 1 survivor ever, and 1/1 that we know of BECAME a henchman.", "I actually do think the whole show was shittily written but no where as bad as the English dialogue. \n\nThe show is simply not as deep as it thinks it is and it suffers from tons of nagging logistical problems with setting it in a non-stylized real world in present-ish day \n\nThe characters are also mind numbingly stupid for the sake of the plot - and the main character is particularly unsympathetic. His whole disbelief at how horrible and immoral the squid game was so stupid considering the brutal taste he got after the first game", "Tropes are not inherently bad\n\nhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/TropesAreTools", "Maybe I’ll use my credit card", "I was thinking, great another pervert character in a show that's also gay :/", "sometimes i feel bad about myself and then i see dipshits like you with almost 30 comments in this thread of nonstop bitching and i feel a lot better", "That was a really interesting read. And the writer also provided some personal takes that were pretty insightful", ">How do you know you understand the director's intention and vision?\n\nYes, we never know the intentions of the director, that's why never know what the themes, motifs, allegories, messeges are etc.\n\n>do you think a director can ever be wrong on something they meant to do?\n\nOf course not, but the VIPs were done perfectly.", "Literally, older brother, but only spoken from a woman to a man (a man calls his older brother hyeong). In a familial context, that is the meaning. It is also used between friends with a similar meaning. You could almost translate it to someone saying “bro” between friends (not quite but thats about as close as you can get). Then its also used between boyfriends/girlfriends husbands/wives. Here it takes on the connotation of something like “babe” or “sweetheart”. They did translate it to “babe” in parts of squid game which I thought was very weird considering they also used “old man”. Old man is not even close to the actual meaning.", "It's really weird you went through and counted my comments. I thought I was the only person obsessed with me. Should we start a club?", "LITERALLY THE MICRO SECOND BEFORE MY EYES BEGAN READING YOUR COMMENT I thought the exact same shows.", "caricaturization of other cultures isn't a great look, especially in cases like this that don't even have any deeper social commentary to it. Is it hypocritical for Americans to be surprised or offended when western media is so often guilty of this sin, sure. With that said, it's not good in any media.", "But it's blood sports, not racing humans. It's literally win or die. Horse-racing doesn't have dudes with guns at the end of the race", "I would have found that point compelling enough, especially in the historical context of events like those hosted in roman coliseums. My issue is that the overly simple, stupid, and one note caricatures detracted from that point. It was so ham fisted and unbelievable that it detracted from the show to the point suspension of disbelief was impossible. In other words, when watching an actor regardless of whether the audience likes them they should at least believe them.", "Fuck ya very much!", "Yeah ok, your answer changed my mind", "Hmm I take your point", "Lol thanks!\n\nYeah, it seems to be an excessive security measure to kill anyone who loses relative anonymity; perhaps that will be explained as more than a quirk later on.\n\nAnd I’m not saying that must be the case b/c the show is perfect. One thing that really bugged me is that- at least not in the subtitled version- it was never made clear that there could be only one winner & no one ever asked iirc. I think that would have been a major factor in the players’ decision to continue. \n\nOf course, the ppl in charge wouldn’t want to say b/c it would also have altered the players’ strategy; would any of the bonds that charmed the audience have formed if they knew? It would have been ‘every man for himself’ from the beginning. So I get why it would’ve been omitted by the writers, but I just think it would have occurred to at least 1 player in 456 to ask how many winners there can be.", "I read that article too but I’m not sure I really buy that explanation. I mean, I’d it really necessary for actors wearing weird masks and sitting far apart need to speak so loudly and awkwardly when they’re just parroting rehearsed lines? Of course if they were actually communicating with one another under these circumstances I would expect things might be awkward but all they had to do was recite their lines.", "I have seen \"F\\\\k\" translated as \"darn,\" \"shit\" and \"drat\" in the same show, sometimes within the same episode. And then they go and translate \"aish\" (which is about darn/damn level of bad by itself though it is a shortening of a \"naughtier\" swear) as motherf\\\\k. I do not understand the lack of consistency!", "Did you watch the whole thing? The old man explains how it's his doing and why each game is chosen and so on. It has nothing to do with the vips. He made the rules. The vips just show up to blow money, see death, and attend an event that nobody else can. They're the kinds of people who simply indulge while the old man has a purpose behind it.", "Professional critic? People are discussing and sharing their opinions on a TV series lmao, god forbid they don’t share the same opinion as you.", "Yeah, something like this was why the original Resident Evil's voice lines were so awful - the voice-over director was directing English-speaking actors but spoke no English at all.\n\nIt's also the reason why the latter seasons of the Sailor Moon dub were so trash, albeit the voice over director was a French Canadian who was directing an English cast who downright hated her for being a tyrant.", "Funny, I felt like that was an accurate representation what VIP / \"millionaires\" would be like if they were willing to bet on people's lives in a game like this.", "It's a really popular phrase. I am not a native speaker and we study it in our English classes at school. I can imagine it's the same in Korea.", "Very true, thanks for cross posting that. You just come to expect characters/acting such as this to pop up in K shows if you watch enough of them to discern the patterns. It’s normal.", "I wanna ask this but im always late to posts. When Koreans dub over English speaking movies, do they have English accents in the Korean language, or for any language for that matter?", "Mixture of all really.", "I was constantly wondering about the single winner thing. I assumed there would only be a single winner, and the whole time I kept wondering why they were talking as though multiple of them would get out.\n\nBut none of the games force there to be a single winner. Even the final game was introduced as a team game from the beginning. I think there absolutely could be multiple winners, it just hasn't happened yet because of human nature or whatever.\n\nThough now I'm wondering if there was a line in the first ep that I've forgotten? When they introduce the concept do they say that the money will be split among survivors?", "We know different gay guys apparently", "Have you not read the parent comments? Read the context before replying lol", "[So people with power and privilege don't enjoy the suffering of those less fortunate?](https://np.reddit.com/r/iamatotalpieceofshit/comments/ibaykk/pos_cameraman_getting_pleasure_out_of_iraqi_kids/)", "The whole thread is about Squid Game? Or did you forget that? You just pulled Hollywood out of nowhere to rant", "Don't french people watch their movies dubbed? Lol", "Why can't you just read the parent comments lmao. The context is literally there. Did you forget how discussions work? You read the previous comments to get context.\n\n>Hollywood does this all the time for non-english languages , you just don't notice it cause you dont speak them.", "You literally slotted this in after the discussions already started. What is the video about? Just looking for an irrelevant opportunity to rant now you're doubling down lol", "RemindMe! 7 Days", "So you feel like I’m missing the point of this thread?", "I kind of liked their overacting, gave it a creepy very strange vibe, like sort of Alice in wonderland fantasy type of uneasy feeling. Like almost cartoonish villains.", "Redditor caricatures of rich people.", "I mean I would say in terms of a pure acting job he was extremely badass, but that's kind of the point. He acted out a role for an American audience and not a Colombian one. You can make the same arguments about the \"VIPs\". To us they sound awful, but to Koreans they might be exactly what people want them to be.", "Arabic is laughable in Hollywood. Unusually short sentences with either abrupt shouting or unnecessary whispering.", "Same here. It was the episode that made me realize how invested I was in the characters.", "My first thought when the VIPs showed up “ugh, they made these guys so overacted and unrealistic it’s almost unwatchable” my second thought “fuck I bet we do this to every other culture all the time”", "I did and while it is better executed (amazing plot twist, simple setup, more dialogue and of course, better acting) it doesn’t do enough to satisfy/redeem the VIP scene. The scene still feels jarring. \nYou know like when you watch something and think it’s very out of place, but as the plot goes on and more things are revealed and you’re like okay yeah, that makes sense/ I can overlook what I found weird because of the new set of information I have been provided. This didn’t feel like those scenes. \n\nAnd actually, this is what gets me more triggered. Forget the plot. Just look at the execution. The editors and everyone behind the camera knows how to captivate the audience, how to build the tension. We’ve seen them doing it throughout the show. The way they revealed that organs were being harvested didn’t even have dialogues or actors, it was pure camera angles and editing! The scene with No.1 is executed with so much finesse. The they know what to do to captivate the audience, yet the VIP scene looks like someone’s school project.", "I think that was the point I realized the show really had nothing to offer deeper than the surface level. Entertaining show, nothing special", "Can't be many, it's the least subtle show I've ever seen", "It's fans", "So often a character in a movie or TV show will randomly have a fluent Japanese language ability just to impress the other characters.\n\nExcept their pronunciation is always so shit a Japanese person would need subtitles to derive any meaning from it.\n\nI think it's largely because native English speakers have a huge problem untying their vowels and twang for other languages.", "Because everything is racist.", "They’re boring dorks with money, which further supports the reason for the games.", "The selling organs was not part of the whole operation, it was clearly workers trying to make money on the side. Hence the front man killing all involved with the organ sales for giving the doctor an unfair advantage over other players. They showed other workers deleting footage of them sneaking the doctor out each time hiding it from the front man.\n\nThe tunnel existed to sneak VIP's out if anything happened and rigged with explosives to destroy any evidence. This was all very clearly explained in the show.", "Yeah yeah yeah", "This happens with 99% of all Asian films/ TV Shows that they to incorporate Caucasians. They try too hard, so the dialogues feel completely out of place, stiff and unnatural.", "Right but it didn’t matter. I know why the show said it, but the doctor stuff never amounted to anything. Could’ve been completely removed and it would’ve been the same.", "IMO the depictions of \"overtly wealthy westerner\" for the Tiger VIP was pretty spot on. It was immediately obvious he was supposed to be an American: loud, obnoxious, entitled, and sex obsessed. \n\nYea it was overblown but that just fits even more to American culture.", "I think they might suggest that there can be multiple winners like you said, but the way they halve the number of contestants nearly every game & allow them to cull each other on top of that makes it seem like that isn’t the outcome they want. But maybe it IS just dumb luck that it came down to only two players in that round, since squid game is typically a team game and that would make it an odd choice for the last one. But wouldn’t you confirm, since there wasn’t a whole lot to the contract? Lol", "It felt dubbed. Like legit they just hired english speaking dub actors to play the parts instead.", "Am I the only person who wasn’t bothered by the VIPs? Yeah they felt a little over the top, but it’s a battle royale show about deadly children’s games, and a non-Western production. Seemed right in line with the rest of the show", "Koreans use honorifics to address people. Especially between people of different ages.\n\nFor boys, \"Hyeong\" is used for older brothers, and \"Nu Nah\" is for older sisters.\n\nFor girls, \"Oppa\" is for older brothers, and \"Uhn Ni\" is used for older sisters.\n\nAnd Koreans do not differentiate with people who are outside of your actual family. So anyone who is slightly older than you is automatically considered an older brother or sister.\n\nIn the context of the \"Oppa\" word that you see in Kdramas, unless it's an actual little sister addressing her older brother, it's usually used by younger women to address older men. Sometimes flirtatiously.", "No. They are satarizing the culture of the top 1% of the top 1% of wealthy Western people, not the culture in general. I loved these scenes. They are a tad sensational, but get the point across.", "Old lady in Busan in Black Panther...damn she got parodied a lot in SK.", "That looks pretty damn accurate to me.", "That woman is supposed to represent the Korean version of \"trailer trash\". Notice how she immediately tries to cozy up with the thug in the group. She's loud and obnoxious on purpose.", "No, the worst part of Squid Game is no one will shut the hell up about Squid game.\n\nIt's Battle Royale, with adult Korean men instead of a bunch of Japanese teenagers.", "The worst part it is being a copycat.", "When you cross the line into reality you shouldn't be ridiculous, although Narcos at least didn't portray itself as sort of a documentary.", "Every american media sounds like this when other languages are used, its not specific to american culture.", "Damn, the last bit about him not stopping while he’s ahead makes is a great explanation of the ending. His choice to return was asinine, but it makes sense in the context of a gambling addict who doesn’t know when to stop", "He looks nothing like a bass.", "I found a similar issue in the IP man movies. The English speakers sound so unnatural. I just assumed it was to help the locals understand better", "you clearly do not know what it is like to live in an east asian country my dude", "Hunger games didnt top the charts in 70 countries.", "Read again. This time, try to actually comprehend what you're reading.", "you couldn't be more wrong :)", "I was just answering these questions you asked...\n\n\"Also if they were doing this elaborate plan to sell organs, why would the Front Man not know?\" Answer - did it behind his back obviously\n\n\"He didn’t seem surprised to find out about all these tunnels.\" Answer - they existed for a separate reason as the show explains. \n\n\"And yeah, was this the first season they did this? Why not just hire a doctor?\" Answer - it was not the purpose of the whole thing and was done behind the back of the people running it.", "Rich Americans", "Or Mr. Robot. Wellicks swedish lines sound so forced. Besides, his wife doesn't even speak Swedish, she speaks Norweigan.", "Chill it's just an accurate depiction of your typical White guy. You know the same way Asian guy always got portrayed as emasculated in Hollywood this is our portrayal of White guy it's just acting so please don't take it seriously it's not like it will have any impact on social attitudes and perception towards white guy irl we all know a lot of white man are fragile... I mean well mannered and polite hehe mb it's just a slip. 😁", "I mean it would be normal to go crazy after that experience", "I think he knew but did not care. He only killed him for revealing his face.", "> Yes, we never know the intentions of the director, that's why never know what the themes, motifs, allegories, messeges are etc.\n\nSo we both know that, then? Neat.\n\n> Of course not, but the VIPs were done perfectly.\n\nYou're contradicting yourself. \"Of course not\" means that you do think a director can never be wrong, \"but\" implies that you do not think so. So I assume you meant to say \"of course\".\n\nAnd no, the VIPs were not done perfectly, in my opinion. Can't wait for you to again tell me that my personal opinion is wrong.\n\nBut hey, since you are such an expert on the field: Can you explain to me why the VIPs were introduced only in the last few episodes instead of earlier?", "No idea why they made him Chilean. I think it would fit his character more if he were just a well-educated American who has been working with the cartels so long that he has picked up good spanish (sure the accent isn't good, but he's fluid/speaking correct grammar).", "Who writes an A and B plot then just un-ceremonially kills off the B plot so the A plot can fizzle out?", "I think it's good showing how Americans how they portray other countries", "Highly relevant https://youtu.be/sLK7DP8-B-I", "I’m gonna say it. After the criticism, I wouldn’t be surprised if a superstar celebrity was featured in a cameo for the sequel. \n\nBut that would literally launch SK’s entertainment to Holly/Bollywood status.", "Yeah my Mum wanted to watch dub, so that's how I watched the series. I noticed absolutely nothing out of place with the Korean VIPs compared to all the other voices lmao", "Tyrell is just angry/having a meltdown when he speaks Swedish, that's why his lines comes up so forced. Plus Martin's accent is pretty well articulated overall.\n\nAnd Joanna is Danish, not Norwegian.", "Ah I'm just few episodes in so haven't heard that much of Joanna.\n\nI suppose that tells you how good I am at understanding Norwegian/Danish as a Swede heheh", "Let me introduce you to Hypnosis Mic and their insertion of the[most ridiculous English lines into their songs.](https://youtu.be/9WIMrH3_B98?t=15)", "Please, someone tell me what movie this is from, I need to watch this.", "Speaking of autism….100% likelihood at least one of you is autistic. Jesus, get a room.", "A Better Tomorrow II: Electric Boogaloo", "I thought it was an effective show of how skewed and ineffectual the meritocracy is. The VIPs having stupid-ass conversations about human lives despite having extremely substantial background data on them reminds us that wealth isn't distributed to the most deserving and can end up in the hands of viscous inarticulate idiots.", ">You're contradicting yourself.\n\nNot really, director can be wrong, director can be right as well the VIPs were done correctly.\n\nI don't know how you went from this\n\n>There really was no need to introduce the VIPs with like three episodes to go and focus so damn much on them. Or at all.\n\nto this \n\n>Can you explain to me why the VIPs were introduced only in the last few episodes instead of earlier?", "I can’t get past 10 seconds of any of these dudes videos. I don’t get the popularity", "> Not really, director can be wrong, director can be right as well the VIPs were done correctly.\n\nOkay. Who decides whether the director was wrong or correct in this instance?\n\nYou?\n\n> I don't know how you went from this\n\n> to this\n\nBecause one of the issues I have is that the VIPs are introduced late, and I do not understand why.", "They were already introduced earlier in the film where they were at the tunnel discussing the bomb. It's meant to provide suspense, they don't give a shit about the 400 of the 456 people that died in the beginning. This shit is leisure to them, I don't understand why you don't get their purpose.", "Still waiting on the explanation of who gets to decide whether a director is wrong or not. You? Me?\n\nOr maybe it's possible to have differing opinions on the same subjective issue?\n\n> It's meant to provide suspense\n\nThat is one area where the show fails. What suspense, exactly? That the VIPs turn out to be rich egoistical assholes that use this game for leisure? That is literally exactly what was expected to happen in this situation.\n\nThere was no suspense.\n\n> This shit is leisure to them, I don't understand why you don't get their purpose.\n\nWait, you think that is the thing I don't get? The most obvious thing in the world? I thought we were way past that in this discussion.\n\nSo, yeah. I get that. Everyone gets that. It is so blatantly obvious I don't even know how you could possibly think that someone did not get that.", ">\nStill waiting on the explanation of who gets to decide whether a director is wrong or not. You? Me?\n\nWhy do you think you're better than the director, his vision and execution?\n\n>What suspense, exactly? \n\nThey hyped up the VIPs only to be caricatures of Western culture. They did an amazing job with that. That fucks with you for some reason because you expected the show to be linear with its characters.\n\nThis shit is wooshing over your head that sounds like car wash station.", "> Why do you think you're better than the director, his vision and execution?\n\nI never said that. I mean I am still capable of criticizing something I haven't done myself, mind you. But I just may have different tastes than the director.\n\nAm I allowed to have that?\n\n> They hyped up the VIPs only to be caricatures of Western culture. They did an amazing job with that. That fucks with you for some reason because you expected the show to be linear with its characters.\n\nI am confused on so many levels by that comment.\n\na) Where on earth did they \"hype up\" the VIPs to be caricatures of Western culture? Please point me to the actual scenes where this happened. Because it didn't. They just vaguely hinted at VIPs coming soon, and that is that.\n\nb) I never complained about the VIPs being caricatures of Western culture to begin with. What makes you even think I have a problem with that? The fuck? That is not at all the problem with the VIPs.\n\nc) What in the seven hells does any of this have to do with the show being \"linear with its characters\"? Are you implying the VIPs were some sort of complex characters or something?", "Then what are you complaing for?", "That the entire VIP storyline was not done very well and could have been done way better by showing less of them.", "They were fine.", "Am I allowed to have a different opinion on that subject?", "Depends on your justification, which didn't fit with the director's vision.\n\nYou didn't even what them in there in the first place.", "How do you even know the director's vision?\n\nAnd I am only allowed to have opinions if I justify them? Huh. That's not how I learned how opinions work.\n\n> You didn't even what them in there in the first place.\n\nThat sentence is missing some words.", ">How do you even know the director's vision?\n\nBy watching the media?\n\n[Here you go you can read this and so that you can understand why you were wrong.](https://www.koimoi.com/television/squid-game-director-hwang-dong-hyuk-compares-the-evil-vips-to-donald-trump-says-was-running-a-game-show-not-a-country/)", "I like how you try so hard to turn every comment into some dunk on me and my lack of understanding of the show.\n\nI have watched \"the media\", too. So I suppose that must mean that I know the director's vision, too, because, apparently, that's how that works.\n\nSo I can confidently say that you are wrong.\n\nDid I get this right?", "Did you read the article?", "You mean the one you quickly googled to prove your point? The one from that Bollywood/celebrity gossip website? The one with all kinds of bad sentence structures and grammatical errors?\n\nYeah. I even understood it! Did you?", "The Times of London has a paywall so you cant see the interview with the director. \n\nYou keep asking what the director’s vision is and I give you what he says straight of his mouth.\n\nYou’re still in denial. You cant be this fucking dumb but I wouldn’t surprised if you are.", "Only the first quote, like five words, are from that interview. [Here is the interview](https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/squid-game-director-season-2-hwang-dong-hyuk-netflix-interview-1234670491/), no paywall needed. It's really not that hard to find original sources on the internet.\n\nBut sure, do enlighten me, oh smart one: How the fuck do you go from\n\n> \"And then Donald Trump became the president of the United States and I think he kind of resembles one of the VIPs in the Squid Game.\"\n\nto your big brain argument of \"they are overacting like crazy to show how it feels when Korean people are portrayed in similar manners in other shows\"? Y'know, your original argument which never had anything whatsoever to do with mine?\n\nAt this point I don't even understand what I am supposedly not understand, you know? It's getting really hard just following your supposed arguments.", ">It's really not that hard to find original sources on the internet.\n\nGood \n\n>At this point I don't even understand what I am supposedly not understand, you know?\n\nIm not surprised\n\n\n>It's getting really hard just following your supposed arguments.\n\nI mean you aren't very smart.", "And we went from ignoring any and all arguments to nothing but insults. Wonderful.\n\nYou can't even answer my very simple question, can you?", "Yes because you've been in denial since the initial comment.", "Denial of what, exactly? You probably don't even know that at this point.", "Wait till you find out about Nikocado Avocado.", "This is weird. Do you have some kind of history with him? What has he done that you get pissed off at the very mention of his name?", "Context is one thing but character motivation is different. The millionaires seemed like a middle schooler wrote the characters. They could have been more complex with slightly different motivations from one millionaire to the next.", "Most action/sci-fi could be reduced to that", "the old man's \"purpose\" was \"I liked these games when I was a kid and being rich is actually as boring as being poor so why not murder poor people and make them ask for it.\" That doesn't redeem anything in fact it was extremely underwhelming.", "I really think you captured a lot of what bothered me about the writing of the VIPS and game-runners. \n\nI was struck with how boring of a viewing experience nearly every one of the games was from a \"sports\" or \"entertainment\" angle. I mean watching people bent over a tin in a sandbox for 30 minutes? Watching people stand in pairs in a fake town where you probably can't even see the games they are playing? If you are a sadistic billionaire those games are not on the top 500 things you could be betting millions on.", "Not the good stuff", "[I'm sure billionaires don't make shitty stupid jokes like 69 420](https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/vehicles/elon-musk-tesla-price-cuts-69-joke)", "Nice!", "That the VIPs were perfectly portrayed in the show.", "No one is complaining, it's just an observation", "What is perfect about them being shown only in the last few episodes, only to put a significant amount of focus on them then, taking away time from the main characters we've gotten to know until then?", "Show was crap apart from the marbles bit with the old guy.", "I already answered this.", "You wrote that \"They hyped up the VIPs\". They did not do that. That's just a factually incorrect statement. That is literally all you wrote about that.\n\nIs that really your answer? Something that is not even factually correct?", "You didnt want them in there in the first place despite being vital and integral part of the story", "That is not an answer to my question about why they were there only for the last few episodes.\n\nTheir existence is vital to the story. Showing them in great detail is, indeed, not vital to the story.", "Ive already answered it", "You wrote that \"They hyped up the VIPs\". They did not do that. That's just a factually incorrect statement. That is literally all you wrote about that.\n\nIs that really your answer? Something that is not even factually correct?", "Ive already answered it bud", "So I take it as a yes, your incorrect answer is your answer.\n\nCool, I guess. Still wrong, though.", "I like how you die on that hill after I've proven you wrong multiple times. Even the director says it but you don't believe it. Its ok to be wrong, you're not perfect. You're not even smart.", "Oh hey, you've learned to use the apostrophe. Congrats!\n\nWe both know that you only went on this crusade because you wanted to be smug to people in this post by showing that you are the smart one who understood that the VIPs overacting was totally on purpose! Not unlike us dummies who totally didn't get this genius directing move.\n\nThing is, I never complained about that in the first place. My complaint was completely separate from the overacting. And once you realized that way late in this thread, you steered towards \"The VIPs were done perfect!\" and stopped providing any arguments at all. Because that's all you can do without losing face.\n\nSo all you can do is write variations of \"You are wrong and I am right and I am also smart!\" over and over again. Which is kinda amusing.", "Thanks np.", "You're welcome!", "Yep.", "So, anyways. How was Dune?", "Hmmmm", "Yeah, thought so, too!", "Yeah, I think the Baron shouldn't be there because he serves no purpose, and the director didnt portray him correctly.", "Are you kidding? He was amazing.", "Nah I know better than the director he served no point and shouldn't be in the movie.", "No no the director told me that he was portrayed exactly as intended. It was all on purpose!", "Did you google that up on some TMZ site?", "I mean, I'm too lazy for that. Just imagine I googled some unrelated quote from the director about the Baron and used that as proof that I am correct.", "He dies from Paul's baby sister who got powers during the womb because Jessica took the Water of Life to become the Revend Mother of the Fremen. The same Water of Life that Paul takes to become Maubdib and the Kwisatz Haderach to lead the Fremen from the control of the Harkonnen and the Emperor. \n\nEven his nephew Feyd is useless because he losses a knife fight at the end of Dune to Paul, which then Paul assumes control of Emperor.\n\nTotally useless.", "You're wrong. It was perfect.", "Yep.", "actually, the worst part are the fanatics who defend the poor acting as a \"deliberate artistic choice\". Absolutely embarrassing. Sometimes shit just sucks, get on with it.", "110%. They’re just trying to spend their money and have fun. It’s literally just a game to them. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things and it adds to the horror of it for me. Their life and every struggle was inconsequential, and if we were in the same position we’d also be at the mercy of the rich.", "It wasn't just Giancarlo Esposito, all the cartel members spoke terrible Spanish with the exception of Danny Trejo's character and the one bald dude that looked like the lawyer in The Wire. The actor that played Tuco's uncle and Steven Bauer's character's Spanish was so bad I couldn't even make out what they were trying to say without subtitles", "His character was supposed to be a Chilean national so I think it sounded so weird because he was trying to do a Chilean accent on top of his bad Spanish", "The guys that are running the game are supposed to be just as contemptible but they're not portrayed as complete idiots", "I have no idea what Chilean is supposed to sound like. I don't know a good Mexican Spanish accent from a good one lol. I'm just saying it sounded a bit weird :D", "The German scenes however were great. Especially the bar scene where the only one sounding weird is the one that is only pretending to be German.", "A lot of animes are just ashamed that they are a visual medium. Attack on Titan cannot help itself but handhold the audience through literally everything, leaving no room for us to put things together. The premise is that humanity lives inside a castle wall, and it would be a disaster when the wall gets breached. When the wall gets breached, the show spends minutes after minutes of reading off the inner voices of the characters, and they all amount to Titans just breached the wall, something the audience already knows. We saw it. We are not children.\n\nThere's a scene where they explain Mikasa's origins, where she was almost sold into human trafficking. They explain this through dialogue at first, which was sufficient. Then literally right after they show a flashback detailing the very thing the character just said. Why. What did that add that we already didn't know.\n\nWe don't need to hear a character's monologue and inner thought every ten seconds. We don't need to see fucking minute-long flashbacks whenever something dramatic happens. It is annoying and dragging the pacing to a screeching halt. It treats the audience like a bunch of children.", "Oh damn. I totally assumed Gus was native because of his accent. I just checked his wiki and he's black and Italian, haha. His Spanish accent seemed very precise and intentional like his English, but I didn't realize he sounded non-native to native speakers.", "Why did they keep giving him more rice to throw? Lmao. Didn't they know what he was gonna do? Also how did so much get in the dude's mouth?", "Wow that's incredible. Haha. \n\nThen he straight up Bowsered the dude.", "https://youtu.be/jNiKU4-ybBc", "Yeah, he has a better accent than most of the cast but it’s still very noticeable. The worst part is that it’s revealed that he’s supposed to be from Chile where they have one of the most specific Spanish accents.", "His Spanish was noticeably awful even to a non-native speaker.", "https://youtube.com/shorts/CQxTpojZiXI?feature=share\nDid u remember this scene from Squid games?", "From my perspective that sounds like when they say someone is from Philly and they do a NY accent. It could not be further from being authentic.", "Ugh this again. \n\nEngaging in 69 =/= finding 69 the soul of wit", "Whites have portrayed Asians as sex dolls, pimps comic relief and victims of their killing sprees but a Korean tv show not hiring A-list white actors has risen you all pressure lol" ]	1,266	videos	The worst part of Squid Game (Spoilers) - ProZD
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbthwd/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbthwd/deleted_by_user/	[ "....the hell was that?", "Awww, I love Charles Grodin. That guy is hysterical!", "This is why I just don’t get opera.", "You okay? The title clearly says it was Josh Brolin." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeKoYHeaz8	/r/videos/comments/qbtmbe/flying_through_a_magical_town_on_drugs/	[ "That’s actually pretty awesome!", "broh....", "What drug makes you feel like this?", "Comma in the title isn't necessary. The town and I are both on drugs.", "ambien", "Looks like the result of Deep Learning due to the way new images are created from the textures of other parts of the image. Just looked up the creator and it seems that's how they did it.\n\nEdit: just noticed OP's name, you are the creator, hey 😄", "aaaaaaand saved for my next trip.", "Not sure if I should have been high watching this, or if it made me high watching this...", "Yep!", "Does anyone know of a tutorial on how to do deep learning videos like this? It is something I would love to do a few projects with, but I do not have a clue on where to start. Are there tools to make this easier or do you have to fully program everything yourself?", "This one is even cooler in my opinion. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/mKOuQCbcZoE", "Yeah all look pretty cool\n\nWas looking through the online auction for the NFT for their pieces of art.\n\nI'm sure they put in a lot of effort but the bidding seems odd? [Like this one jumping from 772 dollars to 3245?](https://foundation.app/@revrart/~/94699)", "Woah", "I want to do a high dose of lsd but every time I’ve done a low dose I got diarrhea and anxiety.", "Those are like the two worst things you can have while tripping. LOL", "The guy sold it to himself. It's the same username.", "The same username as what? The username of the seller and buyer are different.", "You're right. I thought \"owned by\" meant the artist.", "Ketamine in high enough doses can take you out of this reality and into a world that is very surreal and loops in a way that this reminds me of. Also DMT can kind of come close.", "Give shrooms a shot, so far I have had absolutely 0 negative effects from it and it can get super trippy", "Oh ya I always have a good time on shrooms", "That’s beautiful 😍" ]	22	videos	Flying through a magical town, on drugs?
https://youtu.be/F9bP5DFT9Ns	/r/videos/comments/qbttuh/my_dash_cam_has_night_vision_actually_just_an/	[ "Oh thank god. I clicked on this without noticing which sub it was in. I realized at the last second it's October, and there should have been a ghoul on the screen popping out, ensuring I wouldn't make it to Halloween.", "border crossings", "Lol! No, not a jump scare video.", "make , model, price , link>?", "Rexing M2 Smart BSD ADAS Dual mirror Dash Camera. About 200 bucks on Amazon", "This would be somewhat useful if one needs to elude a police chase at night.", "Well, good luck cause the frame rate is pretty slow when it goes into this mode. Picture a very lagged out GTA5 police evasion.", "Your comment reminded me of an old PS2 game 'Smugglers Run'.\n\nBut yeah, a really slow border crossing.", "Just seems like decent regular image with some infared help possibly? You could do this with camcorders and infared lights as well, it's pretty common where someone needs to see at night. Is this in the country with no light polution, or somewhere relatively close to a city? Because I live near a city, and it's pretty nuts that I can see well with just my eyes at night once they adjust, would be a piece of cake for a camera.", "The dash cam has no Infrared lights on it. At all. The closet large city is Albuquerque. In the video, that city is southeast from where I was when I recorded this. I was facing west, and a decent distance north from Albuquerque.", "Yeah I hear you. I just posted it because I thought it was odd for it to be able to see so incredibly well in pitch black conditions with no IFR LED lights. The security cameras on my house have an array of IFR LED lights that light up my driveway like a flood light. This dash cam has none at all. \n\nI just found this interesting it could pick up so incredibly well. My brother who served in the Marines states this is better than his actual night vision goggles he used when he was in Iraq.", "ISO 1,000,000", "...also the police have headlights", "Uhhh are you calling the light coming from a star millions of miles away ‘light pollution’ ?\n\nI live 40 minutes from a city and you absolutely can walk down a dark street here and not see 3 feet in-front of you when the moon isn’t out, even after your eyes have had a long time to adjust. Im even talking about reflective stuff like the road lines.\n\nBasically half of what you said isn’t true at all. Might be true for what you’ve experienced, but I think your area is much more polluted than places you haven’t been lol.", "...and helicopters with searchlights, infrared and their own night vision....", "That’s why you turn off yours and become a ghost car", "While you certainly couldn't use this to drive, it would be handy for your camera's \"parking mode\" if it has one. It would record any bumps that happen to your car while parked and actually enable you to see what happened, dunno if that's the intended use?", "Does it do backup camera too?", "Yeah, and lower shutter speed resulting in like 4fps or something.", "Now you've said that someone will reupload it with added jumpscare.", "The practical use for this is to make a video where you get a friend to dress up in an alien suit, walk across the road and into the bushes, only to then have him pop out from the bottom of the camera and stare directly into it causing you to panic and quickly flee the scene. Then, you sell that video to every trash news outlet under and including the sun.", "Somebody hasn't seen Daybreakers.\n\nAlso, there are training courses for defense contractors and similar lines of work where you're taught to operate a vehicle with your head down (e.g. bullets flying scenarios), and a \"periscope\" view like this could be very helpful.", "if you buy a second one sure, it can be a backup.", "Most digital cameras cant see IR. The sensors can, but the vast majority of digital cameras come with an IR filter over the sensor that filters out IR light. The only digital cameras that don't come with IR filters out of the factory are security cameras and cameras intended for astrophotography. What you're actually seeing in this video is an extremely high ISO (hence all the noise) paired with an extremely slow shutter speed (hence the framerate).", "I wonder if they accomplish this by just switching the camera to long exposure. that would explain both the brighter picture and the slower frame rate.", "This is shittier version of the same tech that shot the netflix documentary earth at night. Combo software/hardware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night\\_on\\_Earth\\_(TV\\_series)", "Just get some real goggles", "Bingo. After having watched the dashcam subs for a while, accidents, such as deer running into parked cars at night, can be captured with this.", "check out this cool full color night vision tech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ", "wow forgot that smugglers run was a thing until you brought it up I loved that game!", "lol how do you not get this. If a police car is following you, and you turn off you headlights, he can still easily see you because he has headlights....", "that's the worst example ive ever heard.... seeing a star millions of miles away is absolutely nothing like seeing at night from light pollution of a near by city... its not even close. Lots of modern dash cams have terrible vision at night, it really just depends on the hardware and software. Not ever camera can easily see in the dark like you're making it out to be. I literally just bought a dash cam that was shit at night so I returned it. You couldn't even tell what brand a car was in the dark, nor read a license plate even tho my headlights were on it\n\nI'm really not going to even get into anything else because this convo is pointless", "great for running cocaine in your lambo cross country", "This guy", "I wonder what it looks like in the snow and if you still look like you’re in hyperdrive", "Yes. Came with a backup camera.", "Oohhh. That might look cool. If it snows this year, I'll make a video and upload it.", "Well it covers the rear view mirror so I would hope it comes with it.", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4w4cdxSLB4\n\nNonsense", "lol that was perfect. didn't realize you were joking, my bad.", "My dash cam had that feature, too bad the darn thing broke a month after buying it.", "I have seen that. And it's absolutely incredible.", "Is this mounted on your rear view mirror? Cause if it is then thats pretty dumb and unsafe.", "woah thats wild! my guess would be for if your car is stationary and you want it recording at night (like you live in an area with a lot of keying etc, so you could catch them)", "Oh, it replaces your rearview mirror? That's cool! I might get something like this.", "Just like Batman turning off the lights on his batmobile and veering through cop cars with no one seeing him lmao. Such a dumb part of the movie", "More useful for rear-facing camera?", "It has a transparent mirror over the screen. And a rear facing camera. On my truck the rear facing camera is helpful backing out of a parking lot in crowded areas, and when towing my flatbed trailer, with it's 180 degree video, it makes it easier to back into areas.", "Oh so incredibly useful. Especially when I'm pulling my flatbed trailer", "Caught a kid a couple of months ago that crashed into the front of the truck on his skateboard at like 2 in the morning.", "Has a transparent mirror over the screen. During the daylight you can't see the screen very well, but at night it makes a great rear view mirror/screen.", "It might just be lacking an IR filter. I believe most or all digital cameras can see infrared but they filter out the IR light so only visible gets seen. Fun fact: you can take the inside of a 3.5\" floppy disk and replace the IR filter in a camera with a piece of it. This will instead filter out visible light, leaving you with an IR camera.", "If I was a billionaire I would dip my entire Batmobile in that ultra black stuff Vanta Black. Or Jack Black.", "Whilst in the Army, we did a lot of treks through the desert at night using night vision goggles. Suuuuper weird / spooky.", "That must have been a wild experience.", "Might have to try playing around with that one of these nights. Now only if I can find one of my old 3.5 floppy's laying around somewhere.", "Or if your reverse lights (like mine) are a bit shitty and don't really illuminate much behind you.", "That does help. My Chevy S10 has some rather faded tail light lenses. The rear camera I installed at the top of my camper shell. Right above the center light on the rear so it's not so close to the ground and I see a lot more.", "I wonder where that was recorded at? It looks a lot like my old home town, but a lot of desert mountains look similar.", "any security cam can with IR light.", "And their helicopters have serious thermal vision/nightvision", "Audi's have infrared and you can view it through the gauge cluster. Super cool shit.", "Not at night which is obviously when the dark knight comes out duh\n\nJack black would make shit camouflage for sure Unless he steals all the attention in which case Vanta black away is what I say", "Pfft..after playing hours of C64's [Stunt Track Racer](https://youtu.be/5Rdd1bCeNnI?t=130) I think I could manage.", "I wonder if they'll develop full windscreens like this for driving at night? I'd love it. I'd hope it would also diminish the brightness of others' headlights as well so oncoming traffic wouldn't blind you. That'd be really nice", "No joke... everyone should have a dash camera in their car. I've had various models in my cars for over a decade, and also put them in my mother's cars over the time. I've caught some random and mildly crazy videos with mine, but luckily nothing bad. \n\nEither way, they can save your ass in something like an accident where the other person is lying about what happened. Many good models are now pretty cheap, but don't really cheap out on one. Get one that supports audio at the very least.", "This one is a very good camera. Has a rear camera I mounted to the rear of my truck, and front facing camera records audio as well. And very clear clean audio. The video during the day records in great quality.", "I just bought a new one for my new car. It came with a rear camera that I'll definitely wire it up this week.\n\nMy cousin's dash cam after I told him to get one saved him a good amount of money. Some dumb bitch backed up at a light and didn't put it back into drive. She drove backwards into his front bumper. Of course, said bitch claimed HE rear-ended her, and then went into the whole \"Ouch, my neck!\" mode. His didn't have audio, but the video was enough to have her insurance pay for a newly painted front bumper cover.", "Good. I hate people that lie and have zero integrity for their own actions. My first accident I had 3 years ago, was my fault, and I of course I took responsibility. What's the point in trying to blame others? Makes it worse for both parties and you look like an absurd dumb ass after all is said and done for." ]	70	videos	My dash cam has night vision (Actually just an extremely sensitive sensor. Cool as it may be, but I can't think of any practical safe manner to use this. Recorded this on an empty dirt road behind my neighborhood)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PZqi1oPXHk	/r/videos/comments/qbv0f4/musicians_getting_mummified_while_still_playing/	[ "What it represents is entirely dependent on the context that you are observing the piece from in my opinion.\n\nI like to forgo \"the wank\" and just think that its a cool \"I wonder what would happen if we did this\". Rather than debating the metaphorical nuances to something purely subjective.", "Do you think Yoko Ono wakes up every morning and laughs for a full hour before saying to herself 'I honestly can't believe these idiots fall for this shit, god I'm a talentless leach'", "It represents nothing. Its toilet paper being wrapped around musicians. People will clamber to find meaning behind this shit, when in reality its got about as much depth as a paddling pool.\n\nIf anything you can find the symbolism of Yoko destroying art much like she did The Beatles.", "John Lennon has terrible taste in women" ]	4	videos	Musicians getting "mummified" while still playing at concert for Yoko Ono. What does it represent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WavZnOr0h8	/r/videos/comments/qbv9uh/mount_aso_volcano_eruption_in_southern_kyushu/	[ "Wait what? Why aren’t those people leaving. Literally scalding hot ash coming at them. Hope these folks are okay", "Impressive. I half expect Godzilla to start walking out of that cloud.", "Too much volcano!", "Such an impressive force of nature", "> the largest active volcano in Japan, and is among the largest in the world.\n\nYikes.", "The whole time I'm thinking those people need to go...", "[https://twitter.com/ThePlanetaryGuy/status/1450710008363110402?s=20](https://twitter.com/ThePlanetaryGuy/status/1450710008363110402?s=20)\n\nExplosion of the volcano. \n\n\"Note that the video is several times normal speed (you can see people and vehicles move faster than usual). The time span seems to be several minutes. \nThe explosion leads to a localized pyroclastic cloud, and possibly a base surge.\"", "What an absolute\n\nbanger", "I hate you.\n\nActually I don't, I just wasn't expecting an Abroad in Japan reference in the comments.", "A S O", "That looks a lot bigger than your thumb.", "Oh, a pyroclastic flow. It is time to go.", "I've seen enough distant, gigantic explosions being filmed to know that you probably should put the camera down and run away.", "Ive read too many TILs on reddit about Mt St Helens to feel comfortable with how long people are sat watching this.", "The ash wave is coming their way and the idiots keep filming.", "They're actually all fine. The full video below shows that Ash cloud lifts and revolves upwards just before cresting the hill in front of them. No idea if that was dumb luck or some really good calculations from somebody there though.", "Those look like pyroclastic flows and that is way too close", "Aso by name, Aso by nature", "scary.. get out of dodge", "[Relevant Music Video](https://youtu.be/8bwXFz17HUg)\n\n\n[Bonus - Video of AbroadInJapan @ Mount Aso](https://youtu.be/cqX_2Wmj7xE?t=589)", "Holy smokin Toledo!", "EXTRA SALAMIIIII", "If you're not actually on the slopes of the volcano itself, I don't think you're really at risk of hot ash. By the time the air has lifted and carried the ash to you, it'll be cold. Not fun to breathe in, and it'll coat everything as it falls out of the air, but not about to kill you instantly.", "Pyroclastic flows can spread out pretty far, man. I wouldn't be risking it like these people are. I'd say they got extremely lucky.", "Tell that to the people from my St Helen that died 10 miles from the mountain...", "This is a dormant volcano that erupted therefore you can sorta tell the size of the eruption beforehand. i.e. we know the amount of damage that Yellowstone will cause.", "The end is nigh. Repent, heathens.", "I'd be interested to see a comparison video of the St Helen eruption next to this one. I don't think that eruption looked especially dangerous from the distance of that car park. Plenty of time to leave.\n\nOf course, if it had been a bigger eruption then different story, but you'd see the difference I think.\n\nDid those people 10 miles from St Helen have time to get away and chose not to?\n\nEDIT: Did some reading and watched some St Helens videos, and rewatching this one it is pretty scary that cloud of ash blooming out along the ground towards them. I can imagine the temperature inside it is still pretty high.\n\nI think I don't know what I was talking about. I'm just used to seeing eruptions in Kyushu from Sakurajima, which is not as massive and ground-hugging as this one.", "Pretty close timing on their part.", "Not enough MX-5", "Rodan would be far more likely in this instance as Aso is canonically his nesting grounds. If Mihara erupted on the other hand my butt would be running the other direction for Godzilla related mayhem.", "Literally nobody is reacting to the volcano. Nobody turned around, nobody is running, hell I don't see anyone filming it. \n\nWhat the fuck?", "Is that Ichinomiyamachimiyaji?", "> EDIT: Did some reading and watched some St Helens videos, and rewatching this one it is pretty scary that cloud of ash blooming out along the ground towards them. I can imagine the temperature inside it is still pretty high.\n\nHundreds of degrees °C and [moving at an average speed of 100kmh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow), but can(rarely, iirc) reach up to 700kmh. You don't have time to get away.", "I'd be going as far in the opposite direction as I could just out of instinct, but I'm not sure what different it would make. At this distance I'd imagine anything that reaches you here will also reach you wherever you are in the time it takes for you to get there.", "Well then there's no point running away then? :P", "Yeah, they're all watching like \"It's a hurricane of heat and death racing towards me... I wonder if it will be my friend?\"", "Been on top of Mt. Aso in 2013. Guess the cable car station on top is now gone.", "What is the context behind this?", "I used to go to an American Country Music festival there called Aso Country Gold there at just this time of year! That area is wild. When you walk around the inner caldera there are bunkers every few hundred meters for just this kind of thing.", "volcano", "They had to write a rap as a challenge.", "yeah, I don't know about just standing there and recording", "Japan is literally SimCity2000, with disasters turned on; Volcanoes, earth quakes, tsunamis, nuclear disaster. Somebody left the program on over night and forgot to change the settings!!", "A country music festival in Japan sounds so cool. I don’t even like country music but I’d attend that.", "I've had this song stuck in my head for a couple weeks making this extra funny to me.", "And too much of it at that", "Definitely the situation I found myself in! I got lucky and Dale Watson, a guy from my hometown, was playing. It was a blast!", "\"Wow, so majestic!\" ... And, here comes the pyroclastic flow.", "If you look closely you can see people running down the mountain and, near the end, cars starting to leave as they realize the ash is getting much closer.", "The mount st Helens eruption was magnitudes more powerful than this", "Move the MX-5!", "\"heheh I'm in danger\"", "Was anyone killed because they just stayed there filming?", "Amazing footage but also very close... I don't know much about volcanos but I do know that they can throw lavabombs a very long distance not to mention wind changes could direct that cloud of death towards you very quickly", "You forgot Godzilla", "That's.... not safe", "Damn you.", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTg-ych6c\\_0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTg-ych6c_0)\n\nLonger video from different angles, the cloud never reaches the car park from what I can see.", "Pompeii wants to have a word with you...", "Visited there in 1996, beautiful rural area, brilliant green rice fields n mountains.", "I'm always impressed Japan is somehow still a nation after centuries of constant bombardment from the Earth doing its thing. On top of that, they're a highly successful nation. Tough ass people.", "I love the lack of urgency to get out of the literal line of fire.", "4th member of the bois", "If I had a good road and my R1 I’d race it if I got the 100kmh one. That’s nothing.", "[The last guy to try it...](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/314cb2808998416761941f18f9a3478c5842b31d/c=0-152-2913-1798&r=x1683&c=3200x1680/local/-/media/2015/05/14/USATODAY/USATODAY/635672166673254326-XXX-D01-CAR-HELENS-12-DCOV.jpg)", "I see Miata, I upvote.", "From a pyroclastic flow? Not really", "Chris Broad does a YouTube channel called Abroad in Japan (super high production quality, you'd think he used to work for the bbc). He got an assignment from the viewers during a trip to make a music video about whatever they did that day. So he, the hentai man and his frenemy Natsuki put this together over a day. \n\nThrough the power of meme magic they got to like top 15 on iTunes. He's also the fourth member of the Trash Taste podcast. Really fun stuff if you're into Japan", "Why did I read that in Gigguks voice", "Are we dangerous?", "I still get it stuck in my head occasionally lmao", "They got so lucky the wind was blowing it away from them, they were right in the path of all that ash and dust.", "Ah yeah. Didn’t have an R1. First mistake.", "I don't know about the video being sped up. There's a person in the car in the foreground who definitely appears to be moving at normal speed. And if the video IS sped up, they're the most chill person I can imagine.", "I hope the royal zone is ok.", "> hell I don't see anyone filming it. \n\nAt least one person was filming it.", "Imagine being there in real life. The energy in the air. The ambience of the place would be amazing.", "There's always a sneaky MX5", "Just wondering if any of those there are dead already, they seem to be somewhat casual about a volcanic cloud headed their way.If i was there i would be moving out fast rather than filming.", "Depends on the landscape and where its likely to go vs where the road can take you out of its path.Not all travel at stupidly high speed.Giving up is a cert to die.", "There's a person on the other side of the little red SUV by the camera that's filming from the door of their vehicle.", "It isn't sped up.", "It's definitely not sped up. People and cars are moving at normal speed.", "Wow, what a giant Aso.", "Unlucky for all the people on the other side.", "Are you sure that ain’t a kaiju comin thru", "They only managed to prevent it for a short while.", "Yes, but they can't SEE them, so it mustn't be happening", "Getting to some sort of enclosed shelter would be the best bet, but not a sure thing.", "I could see the column collapsing. People still standing there, watching it, taking video. It's not just Americans and tornadoes, I guess.", "It's the pyroclastic flow that's speeding up!", "Except for the occasional thousands who are killed in earthquakes and tsunamis. Yes, most of the nation's infrastructure is well-prepared, especially the new structures. And Japanese people undergo periodic emergency drills. But Planet Earth can still throw us a curveball.", "Ah, so desu?", "The reason I clicked", "Lol, I love how even when explaining to those not in the know, Joey is The Hentai Man instead of his actual The Anime Man title. Cultured.", "It's not that nobody cares per se, but everyone in that area knows Mt Aso is a very active volcano, so it's not like a complete surprise to most people. In the back of their minds they know this i a possibility. It last erupted not terribly long ago in 2016. \n\nBasically, everyone everywhere else in Japan reacted like, \"oh my god, how scary! Wow! Insane!\" and everyone in Kumamoto was just like, \"Wow, there it is! Anyway--\"", "Wikipedia says it closed in 2016. I presume after the last eruption. \n\n>Prior to April 2016 (when the cable car was closed), the Mount Aso Ropeway provided access to the mountain. A shuttle bus now runs to the crater's edge.", "Interesting" ]	101	videos	Mount Aso volcano eruption in southern Kyushu Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31gFN3vP_0g	/r/videos/comments/qbwdr6/how_system_002_works_cleaning_oceans_the_ocean/	[ "It's tragic the volume of garbage filling the oceans. Great work System 002", "While indeed tragic the amount of garbage filling the ocean it's even more tragic the way we go about solving that issue. Two tugboats working non-stop is not a good idea since they spend huge amounts of oil. It would be far smarter to prevent plastics from going into the ocean in the first place, however that's easier said than done.\n\nFrankly I don't see a way out of this issue other than forcing manufacturers to use recyclable materials, and plastic is not one of them. Some plastics can be recycled, most of them can only be reused but that's large minority.", "https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/", "They spent tens of millions of dollars to invent....fishing.", "The river cleanup seems a much more interesting idea. By their own numbers that say 1000 rivers make up 80% of all the plastic waste, so seems doable, much easier to manage a river rather than an operation in the middle of the pacific.\n\nAlso they plan to use autonomous boats at some point", "Upvoted; the world needs more of this.", "So this grabbed about 2 seconds worth of garbage and used how much energy? this is kinda silly. but I am sure it makes people feel good.", "Isn't running those giant ships causing more pollution than what they are able to fish out of the ocean? How much do they actually fish out? This doesn't get the microplastics or chemicals out of that water either, correct?", "Create a plankton that eats plastic. That’s innovating. \n\nThis is politics and feel good propaganda.", "I guess a question is, how many fish still get caught?", "the islands are sitting still, and yet tons of garbage collects on to them....Why not anchor the device to the island, their are currents around the islands. let the plastic come to you and this way you don't have to produce green house gases.", "I guess this does nothing to collect the microplastics.", "How about we just outlaw plastics all together...or better yet, require a deposit to be paid on each product purchased that is made of plastic....i.e. plastic soda bottles and trash bags... this way folks will have incentive to return plastic to get back the deposit....also, homeless will have incentives to pick up plastic and turn it in.", "Gross. Humans are disgusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvuN\\_WvF1to&ab\\_channel=LilDicky", "The issue is that I'm hear that most marine biologists say this project is misguided and causes more harm than it helps. \n\nEven with the redesigned nets, it has a huge amount of bycatch (such as seaturtles, fish, etc) and 90% of it dies before they can remove it. Skimming the surface of the sea also causes huge damage to the microbiome.", "Gotta backup your claims, mate." ]	17	videos	How System 002 Works \| Cleaning Oceans \| The Ocean Cleanup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLfuK5Yzp0	/r/videos/comments/qbwo8l/sloan_sabbith_olivia_munn_explains_the_2008/	[ "This was such a great show.", "Wow she really can't act.", "Every time the debt ceiling comes up I think of Sloan professionally [losing her shit about it](https://youtu.be/Gj5-G01iRyk) for an entire episode.", "[For some reason, I found Margot Robbie's explanation easier to understand.](https://youtu.be/epb98OcFLZE)", "It's seriously awful. It's like a robot reciting a text, too fast and unnaturally precisely prepared. Horrible directing has a part of the blame too. No time to breath, I couldn't understand anything.", "Eh, it's kind of pretentious. Like the acting in this scene is just terrible. No one talks like that.", "Tell me you’re unfamiliar with Aaron Sorkin without telling me you’re unfamiliar with Aaron Sorkin.", "That was a fantastic show. I wish they had made more seasons. \n\nAnd Olivia Munn playing a really smart person is hot AF", "The Social Network guy? He wrote this? Not that I care. I don't know what you want to imply but anyways as I said the problem is the delivery and the direction, not the text.", "West Wing was like this all the time.", "That's just how Aaron Sorkin writes.", "Well then the writing is bad, too.", "Aaron Sorkin is known for being very prescriptive in how his writing is delivered. So, yeah, in this case the writing directly impacts the delivery.", "No one talks like anyone in pretty much every show.", "That seems like an issue, the only reason I can follow this is because I already know this. \n\nWhat about people who don't?", "Most people who like sorkin shows are looking for exactly this kind of writing. The walk and talk in the west wing was famous and loved by a lot of people.", "Your opinion, but he's generally regarded as one of the better writers of his generation despite his flaws.", "Aaron Rodgers got her this gig?", "I disagree. This show fucks", "There are still people who believe that millions of subprime home buyers managed to dupe lenders into writing mortgages for them.", "It's a debate between literature and genre fiction basically. He can't write interesting realistic dialogue. He writes snappy hacky bullshit that is absorbing for vocational genre fiction.", "Am I the only one that thinks she has a horribly stilted delivery? That’s not good acting", "I liked parts, but the plane scene with the annoying guy (who somehow gets Sloan) arguing with the attendant and then telling the pilot Bin Laden is dead is one of the most unintentionally funniest moments I've ever seen.", "If you watch his GQ interview (in the same series as the Jeff Daniels one that was on the front page recently) he actually seems critical of how he wrote the show.", "Honestly agreed. Hard to act out hacky scripts like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsQO3dFiB8", "I think the explanation is slightly off, at least according to The Big Short. The banks didn't bet against their own mortgage bonds up until the very end as the people who did short those mortgage bonds sold their shorts to the banks in order to make money. If they didn't, well the banks wouldn't be around to payout.", "Right before I clicked on the link, I thought about how I couldn't watch the show because of all the preachy monologues.\n\nShe walks in and just starts talking. Bad acting, bad direction, bad editing, bad script etc. If someone walked into my office and just started talking like that I'd think my employee was autistic - like wtf - calm down. I quit the video in 5 seconds.\n\nPeople don't talk like that. If I want to be lectured I can watch something educational.", "The banks themselves weren't really betting on the mortgages to default tho. They were just loaning money to the people who were betting on those mortgages defaulting.\n\nThe banks also got wrecked themselves, which is why they required the bailouts. Now, did they know they would ultimately be bailed out? Yeah, probably. Keynesian economics, to which the US subscribes, dictates that the government would be forced to do that.", "I hate when people in tv shows have long monologues to tell someone off and the \"bully\" just silently takes it and the scene ends. Uh huh.", "I didn’t realize Aaron Sorkin wrote those State Farm commercials. I guess they are a little monologue-y now that I think about it.", "I remember when she was briefly a Daily Show correspondent, she was so bad.", "who fucking cares - this is about reminding people of how the banks robbed America and blamed it on the little guy", "Absolutely. And the guys who pulled off the heist have a back slapping champagne and canapes meeting once a year where they all pretend like they didn't crash the American economy.", "I loved how it was written. Loved the west wing too though.", "He did one of those masterclass courses on screenwriting and in the promo video there was a clip of him giving an example of a line that started with \"Damn it!\" and then said something like \"Don't do that. Nobody starts a sentence with 'damn it!' in real life.\"\n\nI had to laugh at him being the arbiter of realistic dialogue.", "Yes they really were. Watch the Big Short. It's accurate. When the banks understood what they'd done they adjusted and took up short positions.\n\nAnd not everyone did get bailed out. Freddie, Fanny and the Lehman Bros (and very nearly Merriyl Lynch) didn't", "I see someone else went on a The Newsroom binge after watching the EPA report clip.", "Aaron Sorkin frequently forgets what pauses are.", "It’s for sure preachy and “better than thou”, but that sort of is Sorkins style.\n\nWest Wing does a much much much better job at challenging characters platforms and making them human beings.\n\nEveryone in Newsroom is just a know it all prick.", "Maybe if you're 15.", "West Wing is just as bad, so that make's sense. \n\nAnd this is coming from a guy who loves politics, lol.", "Yep, so fucking corny.", "Yeah I get how it's appealing.\n\nI just dislike how most of his characters end up all sounding the same 10 minutes into every episode. \n\nAny time I watch his shows, I never feel like I'm watching characters that are written to be even somewhat relatable, having unique and varied reactions to problems and struggles.\n\nInstead it feels like in most scenes, I'm watching a bunch of differently voiced Aaron Sorkin clones in a room talking to other Aaron Sorkin clones that are all in some way aware that I'm watching them, and they all have a desire to break out into a long monologue punctuated with a mic-drop moment that's all meant for me, the viewer. \n\nOnly thing missing is the characters looking at the camera: Did we learn something here, today?\n\nI realize writers are always speaking through their characters in some form, but Sorkin just makes this so ridiculously transparent that I just can't get immersed in anything that's going on.", "Hey now - the writing is bad too", "very well could be, the \"are you seeing where this is going\" comments are strange because its not at all clear and he nods like \"yeah obviously\"", "tv/movie dialogue doesn’t have to be realistic. \n\notherwise tarantino wouldn’t exist.", "I have actually heard people say that. Mostly older and more rural.", "what? he’s glowing with praise. he says the show saved his career lol. he says he talked to james gandolfini who said “if you’re gonna do TV, get yourself a good writer”.", "It didn't occur to you that there was context to the scene and storyline prior to this? You're really trying to argue that she walked into that office without a reason and just started talking about a topic without cause? \n\n\nJFC.", "fuck em, they can figure it out or stay confused.", "Olivia Munn unconvincingly reads lines written by somebody else?", "Well okay i should watch it again lol", "Wow that is probably the first time I have seen so much pretentious bullshit in one place regarding books. I always thought people like you were a strawman but I guess they do exist.", "If you watch the show you get the impression that he nods along a lot to what she says regardless of understanding", "I'm glad I stuck around here to read this comment because I thought something was wrong with me after I read the top comment talking about how good this is. I agree, this is fucking horrid. This doesn't feel like any conversation real humans ever had or will ever have. It's just regurgitating carefully written words without much emotion to speak of. The writing is shit to begin with, and while I don't have high expectations for Olivia Munn's acting, I swear I have seen significantly better performances from a local high school play.\n\nI didn't click this link expecting a 42 second clip from a show to be painful to watch, but here we are.", "This misses on one of the biggest drivers of the crisis:\n\nPeople defaulting on their mortgages -> surplus of houses on the market -> home prices dropping -> People going underwater -> People realizing it’s fiscally smarter to default -> people defaulting", "You could probably liken it to someone betting most of their money on someone not rolling a 12 with 2 dice. The first die lands and it’s a 6 and they realize “oh shit, it might be 12” so they bet money on 12, but the odds are better now so the payout isn’t enough to offset their losses.", "I'd say west wing is worse and I love it. Its a very idealised version of smart people and government, but its enjoyable for me.", "Yeah, it was a weird example. There are far more clunky sentences and common mistakes.", "The acting is bad, the writing is bad, and the point is a vastly oversimplified caricature trying to find a single bad guy in a poorly designed system.", "You are just voicing part of the debate I'm describing, one that I don't really take a side on, and nor am I interested in it. On the one hand you have people who demand their entertainment be art, and enjoy quality literature. On the other hand you have people who think those people are snobs gatekeeping their own preferences who like overly complicated intellectual shit at the expense of recognizing something that is gripping and entertaining.\n\nI don't give a shit, really. I like some books people think are \"good\" and I like a ton of really fucking schlocky fantasy. While I'm reading the latter though, I'm under no delusion that its the best writing. It's sure working on me. When you write FOR a genre, it's a different task, and there is some formula to ease the way. That's certainly at work here. This is dialog that is inescapably written, we never think its real, and we accept that as part of the bargain when watching the show. Keep things ticking along, seems exciting and dramatic. \n\nThat's good though, for a vocational drama. I mean, working is fucking boring, even a newsroom. The daily details of it aren't gripping. No one actually wants a realistic account of it.\n\nWhat the fuck do I know though, I only write for hire.", "Obligatory plug to r/TheBigShort", "Take a breath with your Sorkin, monologue there. Hi. Have a seat. Now what are trying to say?", "It doesn't but there's a way to inform the audience without characters suddenly going into monologues explaining things like robots.", "sorkin’s style is monologue and soap boxing. it’s won him a shitload of awards.", "Who actually talks like that? It was informative, but so robotic.", "I know he's successful. Just personal preference - I dislike it enough to not watch those shows. Plenty of other things out there to watch!", "Aaron Sorkin frequently forgets how human beings actually communicate.", "Ugh she is a shit actor. Reminds me of Jessica Alba or some shit", "hey taste is taste. it just seemed like you were speaking to shoulds and musts instead of likes and dislikes.", "What this scene doesnt mention is that Congress actually amended the Community Reinvestment act a few years before which required that banks adhere to quotas which resulted in a lot of bad loans. The laws lowered the bar for the criteria of home loans so that minorities and lower income families could afford to buy a home. That obviously sounded like a good idea but it backfired when they found out they actually couldnt afford a home.", "I've watched the Big Short. I've also read All The Devils Are Here and Too Big to Fail", "Anything she does is hot AF.\n\nThe only thing this great explanation is missing is the fact that the federal government forced banks to give out subprime loans that were likely to default. In 1992, the government began requiring 30% of mortgages to be to people with below average incomes, which rose to a whopping 55% in 2007. By 2008, half of all mortgages were subprime and likely to default.\n\nThe banks did all that bad stuff too, I just think the government should get its fair share of the blame as well. Without these regulations the banks never would have given out loans they knew wouldn't be profitable.\n\nMore info: [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/)", "Sloan does.", "That's a bit of a stretch. Yes, they wanted loans to go to people below median income. But, it was the banks who ignored (and often outright faked) income reporting requirements, encouraged people to refinance or cash-out (and then they lost their homes), and worst of all TV shows and 'flippers' encouraged people to buy multiple homes to refurbish them and then resell it. The Fed trying to get the working poor and 'people of color' to be able to buy a house, which has been proven to be the best way to build generational wealth in America, is not, in itself, a bad thing. \n\n\nBut, as always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.", "I'm not defending the big banks in any way. But if you don't correctly call out the main cause, you're just going to repeat it. It may have been well intentioned, or may have been a way to win votes for re-election, I can't read politicians' minds. But regardless, it was an absolutely disastrous policy.\n\nThese one-size-fits-all regulations where the politician or regulator is removed from the consequences of their decision can be very dangerous. It's easy to virtue signal that you're such a good person by spending other people's money (or doing so in a roundabout way through regulation). When individuals are free to make their own decisions, but also bear the consequences of those decisions, they are much more careful.", "Feels like I'm watching a book being read, if that makes sense. Just totally unbelievable to me. To each their own, I guess.", "It’s a world we’re a rich man chooses what’s right over money and success. It was never gonna be believable lol. I get what your saying, what you dislike is literally what a lot of people love about it though.", "> Anything she does is hot AF.\n\nWell, some things more than others... ^^like ^^^things ^^^^for ^^^^^\"Chris\".....", "It's like a scene from Gilmore Girls.", "That Osama Bin Laden episode is one of the cringest moments of television I have ever seen.", ">But if you don't correctly call out the main cause, you're just going to repeat it.\n\nyet\n\n>it was the banks who ignored (and often outright faked) income reporting requirements\n\nSeems like they did just that. There were requirements that you glossed over that they provided a little additional information about, and (as always) ignoring regulations is what caused bullshit to occur.", "That's kind of her character on the show, the word vomit, can't communicate well type of character. She fits well into the cast, but taking this clip out of context does it a disservice.", "I like when he had a cameo on 30 rock and they started doing the walk and talk.", "She cannot act.", "Eh, I'm pretty sure he knows real people don't communicate like his characters. His characters are intended to have a flair that normal people wouldn't have, a snippy quickness that would be out of the ordinary IRL. It's a show to entertain, not to emulate real people perfectly.", "If I remember she was pissed off all episode about it and trying to get time on air to talk about it, so the context is really that it didn't come out of nowhere.\n\nBut yeah, its Sorkin dialogue. No one talks like that. But its a tv show not a documentary, so who cares.", "You're right that the government wanted more mortgages for people, but once the banks figured how they can make a lot of money of the bonds, they really ran with the football on getting way more loans out there to people that had no way of paying them back.", "Yeah this is the part that confuses people. The scene that explains it is the scene with Selena Gomez. It isn't that they are betting against their bonds although I suppose that is what you can consider insurance in some ways. But what they are actually doing is creating a cascading spiral of insurance that grows exponentially until an original 1 million dollar risk to one company/person becomes billions of dollars of risk spread out across thousands of companies/people.", "> It was informative, but so robotic.\n\nThat is quite literally the point of her character.", "But it was on a TV show so it must be gospel", "Right, but they aren't conversations. His writing usually consists of one character explaining something to another as a proxy for the audience. The Newsroom does this with most of its dialogue, The West Wing even more so.\n\nHe's a really problematic writer/director both in his scripts and on set. The West Wing is packed to the brim with sexism, and regularly is flat out wrong about what it's trying to preach (largely because he seems incapable of doing research).\n\nThe problem is he intentionally takes on political work in his writing. He doesn't really ever do a good job at explaining a subject because he uses witticisms instead of any substantive analysis.", "Fannie and Freddie are GSE's. They are not paid for by the taxpayer, they are owned and accountable to shareholders. They have no legal guarantee of tax payer support.", "It’s not the acting, it’s the writing. Sorkin’s shows all have world class actors that sound exactly like that.", "ill just leave this here https://youtu.be/4xCEuOebKTE?t=221", "I fucking loved this show.", "She's terrible. Was probably directed to speed up, though. \"Faster, more intense.\"", "And the regulators looked the other way because the mentality was home ownership = good", "Still not getting it, can you try it in 35 secs this time?", "I was an extra on this show and Dev Patel is a major ass-hole.", "But without the bundling banks wouldn't have bought those mortgages and the people selling them would be stuck with the bad deals they made themselves.", "Well yeah.\n\nGov: \"I will make lots of profit incentives to do X.\"\n\nBanks: \\does X a lot\\\n\nGov: \\surprised Pikachu face\\", "That's actually the literal point of this plot point of the episode. She does a wider scoping more technical explanation on her finance segment of the show which no one watches, then gets angry at her EP that they're not talking about it on prime time, which the dude in the clip (her EP) points out is because no one cares about it because everyone feels condescended to when she explains it like an expert, so she takes it upon herself to explain it in the most dumbed-down way possible with the pre-prepared explanation here.\n\n\nThe Newsroom is a little preachy and the dialogue is very sorkin-esque but the writing and the acting are quite good throughout. Definitely better than the majority of TV shows even on HBO.", "Jesus, both were god awful in that scene.", "The government incentives were small potatoes compared to what the banks were getting for creating all these bonds and selling those as investments. The government just got the ball rolling.", ">The government just got the ball rolling.\n\nRight. They made those loans have value by buying them. And then other investors started to buy them because of that inherent value of knowing that they could sell to the gov.\n\nSnowball from there. (Reminds me a bit of how pegging a currency works.)\n\nOf course - it wasn't the only factor (there were many - some of which I'm likely unaware of), but I'd argue that it was definitely one of, if not the biggest.", "> The problem is he intentionally takes on political work in his writing. He doesn't really ever do a good job at explaining a subject because he uses witticisms instead of any substantive analysis.\n\nYeah.... because substantive analysis is boring and dry, and he isn't writing a show to be boring and dry. Real Newsrooms are not very dramatic most of the time.\n\nFortunately he isn't writing an academic paper here, he's making a fictional show (albeit with story beats based on real events) to entertain. Are we going to start demanding any and all political dramas must extensively research everything and be perfectly accurate, neutral, and unbiased? Of course not, that would be silly.", "I think her character is supposed to be on the spectrum in that show.", "And he's never, ever sick at sea.", "That's not a believable character though.", "i liked the video where she kissed another woman\n\nthat was my fav\n\n;-)", "It's like she's trying to spit out her lines before she forgets or before she fucks them up. Probably took 93 takes", "I think she was trying to spit out her lines as fast as she could before she either forgot them or fucked them up. Probably only took 83 takes.", "I don't watch Sorkin for \"believable characters\", I watch Sorkin for the drama.", "That's fair.", "ITT: people that somehow managed to never see anything written by Sorkin before this, especially Sloan Sabbath, and are like \"this isn't how real people talk\". \n\nYeah, no shit, it's a stylistic choice and it's not really meant to be realistic. You might not like it, fine, but it's not like the dude doesn't know what he's doing.", "Margot Robbie did a much better job in the bathtub.", "she'a so bad at this acting game, she should be a cashier or a waitress", "And the witty, rapid-fire dialog.", "> Right, but they aren't conversations. \n\nSo what? No one criticizes Shakespeare for the soliloquies. They criticize his cocaine problem.", "Olivia Munn is a really smart person though.", "Welp. unzips", "> That's not a believable character though.\n\nThere are almost 8b people on earth. Not everyone is the same.", "Her character was on the spectrum and frequently went off on people without her realising she was not having normal conversation.", "Sorkin? Yea I like Sorkin. Sorkin my own dick.", "That's because there was minimal risk at the time for the government to create an incentive. That ball didn't really get rolling until Glass Segall was partially repealed in 1999, which opened the door to the bundling. At the time the government conceived of the incentive, Glass Segall was a rock-solid firewall that would have prevented the incentive from spinning out of control like it did.\n\nEdit: in other words,, If you design a carnival ride with a bunch of safety controls, then the operator decides to throw the safety controls put the window, how can you hold the designer responsible for the inevitable mass casualty?", "“B-b-but hedge funds caused the 2008 financial crisis, not the banks!”\n\n-r/wallstreetbets", "The Newsroom had a lot of good moments like this, like the one in the pilot about why America isn't \"The greatest country in the world\".", "Fuck that 20/20 hindsight bullshit of a show. \n \n(And I say that as someone that agrees with the show's liberal politics.)", "is this some of that \"capitalism is the best at maintaining the economy,\" i keep hearing about?", "Loved this show. Hate that it got cancelled", "You made all that within 5 seconds? Don't know if that's impressive or just stupid", "Seems like complaining is more your style rather then enjoying anything", "Yeah it’s a reductionist explanation because its 40 seconds long. Why does this surprise people?", "I liked that part, but it also had Will McAvoy call Millennials “The worst generation ever.” Ok Boomer.", "You can't use that as an excuse when intelligent hilarious and technically correct programs like Silicon Valley exist.", ">You follow me?\n\nMe: Uhhhh\n\nThough, I did understand the latter half.", "It's a fine explanation, just that one little thing got tweaked. My guess Sorkin didn't know this happened when he wrote the script.", "Some actors do it better, Munn definitely wasnt a good fit for the role, however the role itself is a bit much. If Sorkin was accused of sexism in the west wing, then the newsroom is guilty of \"reverse\" sexism. Smokin hot babez with 200IQ points who only do ultra nerdy things and have poor social skills. Like c'mon\n\nThe character gets flustered and delivers a hot take as a proxy explanation to the audience while another character has to stand there quietly for a full minute is something he's been doing since Sports Night though", "I would have loved to see this show last through today's news cycle.", "Well spoken. Sorkin had the privilege of writing the show after the events happened but unfortunately history has a tendency of repeating itself.", "If she hurts John Mulaney… so help me god, Toby.", "miss that show so much", "I tried watching the show when it came out but there were just too many of the stilted over explaining monologues or the \"this scene looks really good independently but is disjointed when you actually watch it.\"\n\nJust my opinion/preference.", "The Big Short was great. But I honestly think [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_LWm6_6tA) is one of the best of explainers (of any complicated topic) that I have every seen.", "Ughhh this should be titled \"Sloan Sabbith does her best to explain the 2008 financial crisis in 40 seconds.\"\n\nThe idea that hugely complex things like this can be broken down into short and sexy clips might be appealing, but it's not reality. The 2008 financial crisis was the confluence of many factors that cannot be adequately, or more importantly, honestly explained in 40 seconds.\n\nDamn I love me some entertainment, but fuck do I hate how so many people feel like they are becoming \"informed\" by watching stuff like this. I've heard so many people say dumb shit like \"Oh yea I watched The Big Short so now I understand the financial crisis.\" You don't, and that movie was made to entertain you, which it did. If it sought to actually teach people about the financial crisis it would be boring as fuck and nobody would watch it.", "> Are we going to start demanding any and all political dramas must extensively research everything and be perfectly accurate, neutral, and unbiased?\n\nNo, but Sorkin frequently creates the verisimilitude of being academically rigorous and/or accurately representative of the political process being shown.\n\nThat's the problem.", "Aaron Sorkin was just trying to get himself off writing this show. She can’t do any better acting when it’s literally a monologue every scene. \n\nIf I remember correctly almost every news outlet bashed him for this show because he was being pretentious and telling news agencies how they should be doing their job and he had to backtrack and apologize.", "Have you never watched a tv-show before? \n\nOf course there's context to the scene that explains why she immediately starts talking.", "Isn't 'smart girls can't be hot' just another form of sexism on the part of the viewer though?", "If anyone watches a Sorkin show and thinks that, beyond possibly getting some broad ideas right, that it is academically rigorous, then we as a species are fucked. That isn't a Sorkin problem, that's an educational problem. People need to think about what they are consuming sometimes.\n\nAnd before you say that's what this thread is about, no it isn't. OP didn't call this clip a peer-reviewed and perfectly accurate representation of reality, he just showed a clip that gives a really rough but mildly accurate description of some major US events, and if people want more detail and to try and get the whole story, they can go out and research it more themselves to see the parts of this monologue that hold up and those that don't.\n\nPeople are just appreciating Sorkin's work and that's fine.", "Whoa there. Huge difference between smart girls and unrealistic ones. You know when the female character consistently beats up guys twice her size, it's almost as bad as that trope. Men have far worse social skills than women because men dont have people constantly talking to them all their lives. Her characters backstory was a loner type that just studies all the time, I'm sure I don't need to explain why that's not a realistic for a beautiful young woman and especially not one with very limited acting range like Munn. \n\nNote I'm being nitpickey but I love the show and majority of Sorkins output, I'm just overly critical, I basically only watch the best tv and film has to offer and consider pretty much everything to be unwatchable garbage and I genuinely don't know how most people can stomach most of what's out there.", "I miss this show.", "So does Shakespeare (by that measure)", "I think [Top Gear](https://youtu.be/-veVnjYHyHc?t=71) got the gist of it really", "I like how we’re just supposed to accept bad writing simply because “it’s his style”….", "What show is this? I want to add it to my list.", "It’s not bad writing, he just doesn’t specialize in that type of nuance. He focuses on quick witted speeches and discussions of intense subject matter.\n\nHe’s not perfect, but good at what he does.", "God, she's a terrible actress.", "Do you really want to use a show that had a scene of characters trying to figure out how to jerk off every guy in a room in 10 minutes as your example of technical/academic rigor? Because I'm quite certain you don't. A lot of that show was not at all \"technically\" correct, it was as much of a caricature as Newsroom could often be. It also based some scenes/jokes on very real concepts, but the heart of it was not at all meant to be taken as informative lol.", "Indeed.", "this explanation is false", "Not only is it bad acting, it's a bad show.", "That show was fucking awful. Cheap, dumbed down, smug, preachy. Always with an insincere message at the end. The Bin Laden episode was disgusting", "Ironically, reddit is acting exactly like Sloan on this clip.", "I don't understand the criticism, it sounds perfectly fine to me.\n\nIf anything, they talk rather slow. But then again, most Americans talk painfully slow, like their brains are mush.", "It makes sense in the context of the episode, she was trying to convince him (her producer) to allow her to call about the issue in her segment. This is one of a few times it’s brought up in the episode, so it’s a continuation of an earlier conversation.", "Nobody says you have to accept it. Just don't be surprised when a Sorkin character goes on a diatribe. You may consider it bad writing, but it is likely a conscious decision rather than a mistake through incompetence. \n\nI dislike preachy no matter how much I might agree with the ideology behind it, so I have never watched his shows with any regularity.", "What you're describing is bad writing.", "And this is a bad conversation", "Isn’t Olivia Munn psychotic girlfriend kinda?", "I think describing the entire govt as “subscribing to Keynesian economics” especially after Milton Friedman and especially in a red administration is a bit too broad strokes", "Sorkin is the cheap knock-off version of David Mamet.\n\n[Just look at this scene from _The Spanish Prisoner._](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQpp3WL5kk) It gives exposition, fleshes out characters, moves the plot, foreshadows future developments, and makes a profound observation about human nature (more profound than anything Sorkin has ever said), all while maintaining snappy, clever dialogue. This scene is better than anything Sorkin has ever written.\n\n[He also writes better rants.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE)", "Yeah that was pretty great… I think it missed some of the multi levels of leverage issues going on but have a good baseline of information", "> A lot of that show was not at all \"technically\" correct\n\nSure, in that case I'll raise you Futurama. And I'll also note that Silicon Valley did a better job at understanding its tech because Mike was a software developer. Sorkin just had to take world events and bag them up into bite size chunks, he mostly got these right, but its poor form to get them wrong. Its like when reddit or newspaper comment sections give you a far deeper understanding of a topic then the long form researched articles do. People who know what they are talking about will rightly rip into the journalist/writer.\n\n>but the heart of it was not at all meant to be taken as informative\n\nSV never claimed or aimed to do that, Newsroom did. \n\nAs an aside Sorkin is incredibly nationalistic and you'd wanna have your Merica#1 blinkers on, nevermind fact checking goggles for much of his shows, despite the ethincally and nationally diverse cast of Newsroom.", "also explains the financial crisis looming dreadfully, ever closer, into our near future.", "i never cared for it. G4 took my TechTV so i dont like G4...", "They didn't bet on them to fail but they also gave everyone loans. Like in the big short explained, many of these mortgage brokers were incentivized to lie on applications. It was about pure volume of loans not quality loans", "I don't disagree with your sentiment. That said, there needs to be a basic set of rules EVERYONE plays by. Regulators are the Umpires for Capitalism. Thirty years of chipping away at these regs, allowing the regulated industries to 'police' themselves obviously doesn't work.", "Every character in an Aaron Sorkin show is just Sorkin talking/lecturing, but using different meat puppets to mechanically deliver his speech.", "Cute, but this completely misses the point. Fiat money is fake.\n\nWhen you go to the bank to get a loan, you bring the deed to a hard asset and a promise to work 30 years of your life to buy it back. The money the bank gives you does not come from an existing account, it does not exist until the loan origination. They literally create the money out of thin air, and the only thing they are investing is imaginary ones and zeros that did not exist before you gifted them this hard asset and 30 years of your life. What fractional reserve currency means is that if the bank has $1B in assets, they can lend $9B that THEY DO NOT HAVE. But it’s not just that they don’t have it, it’s that they are allowed to create $9B because nobody has it. When the bank originates loans, it inherently devalues every existing denomination of the currency in every account and every pocket. The bankers create a ton of money for themselves and their buddies and give the rest of us only a little. This (and systematically outsourcing and undermining American workers) is a foundational reason for the increasing divide between wealth classes. When we argue about social programs and fixing poverty and inequality, it’s all just hot air until we tear out the rotten root of our country that is fractional reserve banking.\n\nIn 1994 Janet Reno and Henry Cisneros under the direction of Bill Clinton relaxed the Community Reinvestment Act and promised draconian enforcement which allowed banks to engage in reckless, predatory lending in the name of “equality”. And for a decade, banks received mortgage payments in exchange for their investment of nothing into an account the borrower had no chance to ever pay back and when the accounts defaulted, they were backed up by hard assets. But the fake balance sheets showed a negative, so the federal government owned by the bankers “bailed out” the owners of the fake underwater accounts.\n\nThe reason the mortgage industry is such a big deal is not because the banks tie up their assets for 30 years for piddling interest that is sometimes even below the inflation rate. It’s because they earn an up-front, infinite return on their investment of nothing.\n\nJust a gentle reminder. None of these corporations or politicians or media outlets work for us. Their money comes from the banks that have propagated this scam. We have been infiltrated and sold out for generations, and their endgame is in the process of being unveiled.", "Basically, this argument pretends like more government regulation of complex financial transactions is the solution when the real solution is simply for the government and the banks to stop colluding to dilute our money supply into nothing by creating more fake money.\n\nThey need to keep their grubby hands out of our pockets.", "> SV never claimed or aimed to do that, Newsroom did.\n\nWhen? Show me when and where either the show or Sorkin claimed this.\n\n> As an aside Sorkin is incredibly nationalistic and you'd wanna have your Merica#1 blinkers\n\nNewsroom literally opens with a monologue about how America is explicitly not* the best country in the world, so pardon me if I don't trust you on this one.", "Every character in every Aaron Sorkin movie/tv show/etc.\n\n[Example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LBxE-oDv7k)", "You're just letting perfect be the enemy of good. Nothing wrong with having high standards but I'll be the first to admit I'll never understand that mindset.", "unnecessary lol", "Glass-Steagall didn’t have anything to do with it, mortgage-backed securities have existed since the 1970s.", "ah yes the great ancient battle of our peoples.\ni loved TechTV and watched TSS everyday before school, refused to watch what G4 did with it. but Kev and Olivia broke me down into watching AOTS and i became a big fan. then G4 themselves fell to EsquireTV so kind of funny it suffered the same kind of fate as TechTV in a way. both TechTV and G4 were a little before their time - i feel like now they would thrive more than they did because nerd/geek culture are cool, way more than when i was in high school anyway.", "i was in jr. high with zdtv and watched it every day. then TSS and call for help. i miss leo and patrick. i was in HS when it switched to G4, remember some crappy cartoon coming on and i was like wth. i still listen to pod casts from leo", "I hear you, but his depiction of the US president as a man of character and virtue flies in the face of reality (long before Trump), and he had him retcon the reason for the double nuking of japan by framing it as a small loss for offsetting future lives lost. A pretty disgusting lie but one Sorkin uses as many others have to downplay the real reasons and the sheer callousness especially of the second attack.\n\nIn the Newsroom a whole episode is given to 911 and it is universally hailed as unjustified and abhorrent, and quite frankly the worst thing that has ever happened ever. \n\nThe US military call terrorist attacks on the US \"blowback\" - aka retaliatory attacks for the shit the US does overseas. That's never not once mentioned in the Newsroom, its as if 911 or any attack on US soil happened in a vacuum, and the blinkered flag waving in the episode was stomach churning. But I guess pretty run of the mill if you live in America.", "[This](https://sites.law.duke.edu/thefinregblog/2020/09/24/taming-the-megabanks-why-we-need-a-new-glass-steagall-act/) is a very good book, and the link does an incredible job summarizing each chapter. Essentially, Glass Steagall created silos. When things went to hell in one silo, regulators and actors within the silo could take targeted action to right the ship. Without the silos, instability spreads to all other areas of the market, causing a crash. Here is a particularly relevant excerpt: \n\n>The subprime lending and securitization wave of the 2000s resembled \nthe credit boom of the 1920s in many ways, including the presence of \nwidespread conflicts of interest and excessive risk-taking. The \n“assembly line” that packaged subprime mortgages into mortgage-backed \nsecurities created conflicts of interest for loan brokers, lenders, loan \n servicers, securities underwriters, credit ratings agencies, and \nissuers of financial guarantees. All of those participants received \nlucrative fees that encouraged them to ignore the obvious risks posed by \n subprime mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Universal banks had the most pervasive conflicts of interest because they performed multiple roles, received multiple fees, and had the strongest incentives to disregard risks.\n\nThe entire point of Glass Stegall was to prevent the creation of Universal banks that would have such large conflicts of interest. Mortgage-backed Securities were only the carriers of this conflict of interest. \n\n>In 2007, the flow of credit into subprime mortgages shut down after \nU.S. housing prices stopped rising and began to fall. As explained in \nChapter 10, the collapse of the subprime mortgage market and declining \nhome prices precipitated a wave of defaults by subprime borrowers. Those defaults inflicted huge losses on universal banks, securities firms, \nand other financial institutions with large exposures to subprime \nmortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Financial and economic crises ensued on both sides of the Atlantic. The boom-and-bust cycle of the 2000s bore a striking similarity to the destructive cycle of the 1920s and early 1930s. Universal banks played leading roles in both cycles and were at the center of the calamities that followed.\n\nYou can argue whether or not the repeal was THE reason for the collapse, but to say that it had nothing to do with it is patently absurd.", "What a random, random bone to pick. What do you think it means to be socially awkward?", "The fact that you would draw this conclusion in a vacuum completely undermines the credibility of your opinion. All of them.", "Banks have always found a way to create bold, new systemic risks no matter the government directive. Not saying the push to house everyone was executed correctly, but where corporations are involved someone will put profit over sense and sustainability eventually", "At least alba was cute", "I don’t think they’re synonymous, and I don’t think her character was intended to come off as on the spectrum - I think she was meant to come off as a slightly awkward but physically attractive intellectual.", "Does he? I work at a fortune 100 and this exactly how my meetings go.", "So to be clear, there is no claim that the Newsroom is trying to be informative, because I see you didn't answer that ;P\n\nIn regards to the rest of your comment, without taking a stance on anything you've said, I think it's quite clear what your political bias is considering your viewpoints on some of these issues. I think that may also be colouring your view of the show and what its intentions are.", "It's nonsense that the government caused the subprime loan crisis. There was a bubble in commercial real estate too, so explain that.", "It's not idealized. It's defeatist. They had zero accomplishments.", "In west wing?", "Yeah, it's supposed to be a liberal fantasy show, and they regularly capitulate from already compromised positions. It's also sexist and racist.", "They had him appoint the first female chief justice, first hispanic justice, strike a middle east peace deal and fix social security. But sure there was plenty of questionable stuff, but they didn't accomplish nothing.", "No crisis can be explained in 40 seconds. Not even with a talkin' fast Aaron Sorkin script.", "I don't like what you like? Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of things you love that I think are lame :)", "Yea I dont doubt you have a lot of dislikes", "homie not to rag on you, but maybe you should pick up a book or maybe do some research before you cite 'the big short' as your only source for information about the 2008 finical crisis.", "Hang on of course the Newsroom aimed to inform, what do you think the clip in this thread was about?\n\nIt's funny you mention my political bias, the west wing is a fantasy where the president mulls over these actions while wrestling with his conscience. You have to go back to the days before Reagan where that ever happened and considering it aired when Bush Jr was in office well...", "You made the list!", "Right? How can you cite a fictional movie to refute something from a fictional TV show? Like, maybe if all you know about the 2008 financial crisis is from The Big Short, you should just be quiet.", "That’s your average redditor for you", "This exact scene is why I became a bit of a Sorkin hater. I had spent an absurd amount of time researching the financial crisis for my economics coursework and he has a tendency to write his “expert” or “genius” characters with dialogue that is jargon filled, yet simplistic and lacking in nuance (and sometimes accuracy altogether) but delivered quickly and confidently. It’s a cute shorthand, but people who have a deeper knowledge of the subject might cringe a bit. I second the explanation provided in The Big Short as an accurate representation of the financial crisis delivered in a fun and entertaining way.", "The newsroom", "Whatever happened to that show?", "Homie, I'm talking about the actual book.", "Tesla funded itself in the same way in... 2018.\n\nBut it looks like another housing bubble will pop first.", "Where do these banks get all this money to make such horrible loans? Is there some sort of easy credit system going on which makes the banks take near zero level of actual risk for bad decisions? Oh let's not talk about that. Nevermind.", "I think the scene above happened after that “very end” point in the big short.", "Thanks Bill Clinton?", "Dear lord she's not a good actor.", "Lol no, it wasn't even watchable. Just horrendously pretentious 10 min monologue after monologue.", "Cancelled because it was garbage.", "And bad manners!", "That's not bad but it only tells half the story. It doesn't go into detail about how the ratings were rigged and all the fraud that went on tricking investors into believing subprime mortgages were AAA rated.", "Nice.", ">No one criticizes Shakespeare for the soliloquies. \n\nThose soliloquies inform the character. They don't exist jut to preach at the audience.", "I love this irony in this comment.\n\nYou added absolutely nothing to the discussion other than to complain about them voicing their criticisms at all (which you called complaining).\n\nAnd I realize I'm in this ironic feedback loop, too. But at least I'm aware of it.", "oh god that whole scene is so cringe", "Yes.", "Shakespeare wasn't trying to inform, only entertain. His plays were revolutionary because they had widespread appeal amongst the rich and poor. \n\nHe utilizes double entendre constantly to appeal to these two groups, the commoners enjoyed his plays for the humour and drama, while the rich enjoyed the political intrigue a machinations in the background that usually flew over the commoners' heads.\n\nOne of the reasons he is one of the greatest writers in the English language.", "> wasn't trying to inform,\n\nWhat would you call his histories?\n\nBut the point is, criticizing how fiction uses unrealistic dialog, is silly, fiction never had realistic dialog.", "The Press Secretary referenced it last week as an example of government running correctly. Politicians regularly cite it as an inspiring motive for their career choice. \n\nThat's kinda worrisome, because Bartlet accomplishes almost nothing in 8 years of office. Most episodes are about Democrats essentially losing to Republicans, and compromising on their core values to gain almost nothing. Like, they literally privatize social security lol.\n\nI don't know abut you, but its a little strange how much Democrats idolize a show in which they lose constantly.", "That's actually a fair point about the histories.\n\nAaron Sorkin makes fiction that real people look up to. The press secretary referenced the West Wing as an example of government running well last week. Democratic politicians and staffers regularly cite it as their inspiration for getting into politics.\n\nThat's worrisome because the West Wing is the worst example of politics on television. The entire show is Democrats losing for eight years and then throwing in the towel. Bartlet accomplishes almost nothing in his two terms lol.", "Oh I guess no one is allowed to critically examine any piece of media until they've won a major award.", "Sure, but even during all the deregulation of the period there was a tacit understanding that the government wouldn't allow the economy to disintegrate without stepping in.", "Im not sure if that’s fundamentally a keynesian principle for the govt to step in. In that sort of unprecedented situation. But idk the details of keynesian vs neoliberal policies", "> its a little strange how much Democrats idolize a show in which they lose constantly.\n\nDamn, I guess the show was more accurate than I give it credit for.", "Jeff Daniels was on the Smartless podcast recently and he talked about how with Sorkin, you had to recite the lines exactly as he wrote them. There is no ad libbing or making the words your own, it is exactly as he wants them. Once you understand that and then what the actors have to do then you watch previous Sorkin shows and start to understand why they all of a similar feel.", "I mean, the entire show is essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy. An entire generation of politicians took that show to heart, and now the idea is endemic to the party.\n\nThe West Wing's central thesis is that peak politics is a perfect compromise, and that' such an infantile way of looking at the world it shouldn't be on a show written for adults.\n\nPolitics is about winning, and always had been. Republicans have known this since Reagan, and it's why they shamelessly get whatever they want in the Senate. The entire show consists of Democrats trying to earnestly compromise with people who are actively trying to sabotage their administration.\n\nThen you throw down the fact that Matt was literally based on senator Obama, and it starts to make alot more sense why Democrats consistently fail their voters seemingly on every issue.", "> Politics is about winning\n\nThe problem is that if you're mainly concerned about winning, you shouldn't be in politics in the first place. Your goal should be about doing what is best for your constituents, even if it costs you your position. Unfortunately, doing so often means you won't satisfy the right handlers to get elected, and if you don't get elected then you have no constituents to help.\n\nAs a result \"successful\" politicians are largely just a bunch of sociopaths that want to further themselves and have no regard for harming others, and parties more concerned about helping people are hamstrung competitively. The Dems don't \"lose so damn much\" because they watched Newsroom, they simply do because they are more compassionate more when facing a relentless opponent that just.... has none. Why do you think one of the ultimate narcissists, Trump, managed to win? Because he has no fucks to give, and that's what gets ahead in politics, not compassion.", "No, you should be fulfilling your campaign promises as ruthlessly as possible. Political capital is meant to be spent for just such a reason.\n\nThe Dems have consistently lost as a party since the election of Reagan, who demolished their entire platform. This was further complicated when Clinton essentially abandoned what was left of the labour movement to secure corporate funding which dramatically changed the parties platform.\n\nPolitics doesn't care about your passion, it is a zero sum game in this government where the winner takes all. Nobody cares about how well meaning, and respectful you might be if you can't get elected and stay elected.\n\nTrump won, because his party has understood since Nixon that this is how the world works. You're essentially proving my point, the last Democratic president who actually shifted the Overton Window in Dems favor was Johnson; a man who essentially embodied winning at all cost.\n\nIf the process is going to attract absolute snakes, then your goal should be to make sure your snake can eat their snake. Sure we can debate whether snakes should be here, but there's no reason to do so until you have secured the office.\n\nImagine the coach of a football team going on national television, and saying:\n\n> Well, we went into the game with better intentions, but they just didn't respect the game. It's their fault we lost.\n\nWhen lives are on the line, you don't get to do anything but win and stay elected. You do this by disempowering the opposition party, and empowering your voters.", "> Politics doesn't care about your passion, it is a zero sum game in this government where the winner takes all. Nobody cares about how well meaning, and respectful you might be if you can't get elected and stay elected.\n\nThis is literally my point yes. And such an attitude, while necessary to \"win\", is what produces the state of US politics.\n\nYou're not even disagreeing with me. You're just arguing fight fire with fire, and all that means is you're never going to get politicians that give a shit about their people and worse and worse outcomes in a race to the bottom.\n\n> If the process is going to attract absolute snakes, then your goal should be to make sure your snake can eat their snake. Sure we can debate whether snakes should be here, but there's no reason to do so until you have secured the office.\n\nRealize that in this analogy you're a mouse..... both snakes are going to eat you. The idea that everyone in politics, even on your tribal \"side\", needs to ruthlessly crush all opposition to enact their policies is what leads to politics full of sociopaths, so you may have won some battles, but you're losing the war. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it did burn in one, we'll see when that day inevitably comes for the US at this point.", "Right, but the alternative is hoping for a process that has never functionally existed in the politics of any republic. You can argue how ideals should be entwined in the political process, but the fact of the matter is our type of governance will invariably lead to this outcome.\n\nSo I propose instead of losing gracefully while a minority party strips people of rights, you play the game better. This is a view that is completely at odds with everything Sorkin writes, and that writing had lead to a blight within Democratic ideology amongst other things.\n\nIf you are hoping for a world in which people don't seek power for personal gain in a system that binds them to the whims of their constituents, then I don't really know what to tell you. \n\nWhat I am telling you is that there is no margin for failure, for minorities or the environment. If you can provide evidence on an alternative solution, like platforming for morally outstanding people, then I'm all ears; but all evidence points to the contrary of that being a viable solution.\n\nIt is beyond useless to entertain the thought that someone who essentially participates in a non-fiction theatre of world events cares about anyone but themselves. All you are doing is disarming yourself to the fact that they likely don't have any concern for you outside of the power you exercise. In a democracy that power rests in public opinion, and your ability to canvas against them.", "> You can argue how ideals should be entwined in the political process, but the fact of the matter is our type of governance will invariably lead to this outcome.\n\nI will point out that you've essentially resigned yourself to everything being a shit show and given up hope that there could be something better. And while you may wish to do that, I personally won't join you in circling the drain and burning the whole thing down in this outrageous struggle to the bottom.", "No, I just don't need idealism to be on the right side of history. My ancestors didn't have the luxury of waiting for the system to fix itself, and neither do I.\n\nIf you think this mentality is circling the drain, you're just highlighting your priviledge. The labour, civil rights, and women's suffrage movements all employed these tactics and we're wildly successful. They didn't ask for power, they seized it with a vice-grip.\n\nThe fact that you think playing the politics of some of the most successful movements in history is a race to the bottom highlights how comfortable you are with losing.\n\nAs a counterpoint, I'm going to organize according to the principles that gave me and my predecessors rights. You can focus on finding the magical candidate that somehow transcends the political system. Democrats have been waiting since the 80s, and their last messiah accomplished almost nothing, so I wouldn't hold your breath.", "I'm not waiting for some magical candidate, but the reality is Dems just need people to vote. Any other organizing you want to discuss is meaningless. All that matters is getting voters out there. If the US had a 80% voting rate nationally and in every state, you would see a Blue landslide and all the things you want to accomplish could happen. That is how you win, it doesn't require some sleazy backroom politics.\n\nDems aren't natural losers right now because they aren't choosing to join the Republicans in their lust for power and race to the bottom, they lose because American voters are apathetic and don't do their job, so this is the government they are handed. Americans are getting exactly what they paid for. So it isn't idealism to think we could do better, it's simply the reality if voters cared enough." ]	247	videos	Sloan Sabbith (Olivia Munn) explains the 2008 Financial crisis in 40 secs - The Newsroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAtZ3MvPdQI	/r/videos/comments/qbwtxa/on_the_topic_of_musicians_acknowledging_smaller/	[ "He was in my town a week ago, I really regret missing him\n\nAnyway thanks for posting this you [sent me down a lovely rabbit hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdHrZYBNiB4)", "That's awesome! I imagine musicians and celebrities get gifted things constantly but I would think that getting a copy of somone's song book is pretty unusual. Do you have recordings of your music online?", "I figured a songbook would be more unique to give to him, then I realised that's a whole niche so I decided to publish them on my website. Hell yeah I do! www.harryhodgman.com ;)", "I only ever see him every few years down in this hemisphere. Love his shows!" ]	6	videos	On the topic of musicians acknowledging smaller artists.. in 2019 I gave Rufus Wainwright a copy of my own songbook when he was here in New Zealand. A couple months later I saw it sitting on his piano in L.A!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp0xzapm-zY	/r/videos/comments/qbx2ki/breaking_the_spell_social_experiment_intel/	[ "Oh, Intel. Let it go. I know you're hurting because you lost Apple, but it's not them that's at fault, it's you. The sooner you realize that and accept it, the sooner you can start working on yourself and put this behind you. Drunk-dialing your ex at 2am with a thinly-veiled post-breakup video is not a good look.\n\nAll of this just goes to prove that [Intel's disruption is now complete](https://jamesallworth.medium.com/intels-disruption-is-now-complete-d4fa771f0f2c).", "So they hired the cringy marketing firm that Chevrolet uses?", "\"Social experiment\"\n\nThis is just an ad. There's nothing interesting or even genuine about this. Why is this allowed to be posted here?", "> because you lost Apple\n\nWell Apple used Intel technology in their computers until just recently. So Apple chips, under certain conditions, benchmark slightly better, not like you're going to be able to do anything with that on your locked down, restricted device. \n\nAlso doesn't change that you can't get the same types of products, you can't customise your operating system, you can't play games. you can't customise, change or upgrade hardware components. \n\nAll you're doing is paying a premium because some hipster was better at marketing. I'm happy for you.", "Didn't see a rule on no ads. If you don't understand it, you don't understand it.", ">\tAll you're doing is paying a premium because some hipster was better at marketing. \n\nBut…M1 chip builds are cheaper than the Intel for the most part.", "Doesn't mean Apple charge less for it... lol" ]	7	videos	Breaking the Spell: Social Experiment \| Intel
https://youtu.be/-VCGPiQINMQ	/r/videos/comments/qbxtza/the_problem_51_people_cant_solve/	[ "Super interesting!", "By removing the red block you make the roof lower and the lego figure cant stand underneath it. I thought that was the point of the way the structure was built...", "This is stupid. \n\nThe first puzzle is to make it so that the lego man can stand under the roof with the load on to without it collapsing on him. If you lower the roof by one block, the lego man can't stand under the roof because he's too tall. The 'correct' solution ignores one of the requirements set in the beginning. If you can ignore that then the best solution isn't remove top block, it's remove lego man.\n\nThen he wants you to make the puzzles symmetrical by 'switching' the squares. If he'd said add or remove squares the solution is obvious. Switching implies two squares swapping places. Again, if we're allowed to make up our own rules I just 'switch' in one big square over the whole thing. All 4 puzzles solved in one move!\n\nThe problem 51% of people can't solve (because they actually try and follow the rules I give them)...", "Lame.", "Exactly. \n\nIt's a trick with words, and it's stupid. I kept thinking of [this](https://iili.io/5oalLb.jpg) stupid meme the whole time. This \"intelligent\" worker destroyed whatever he needed to transport, while the instructions are maybe something like \"transfer this block from A to B\", and somehow he's the smart guy..." ]	5	videos	The problem 51% people can't solve
https://youtu.be/hpCSCQJEmnk	/r/videos/comments/qby7zy/making_perfection_beneath_the_surface_of_tremors/	[ "Thank you. This is a masterpiece of my childhood", "The second one as well. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nI am completely out of ammo.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThat's never happened to me before", "Honestly, I can't believe that the movie was a flop to begin with. I remember as kids we'd go the movie store on the weekends and each pick out a movie. My dad picked that one out, but me and my brother basically refused to watch it with him all weekend.\n\nNext weekend he rented the same movie and told us \"You'll love it..and if you don't agree to watch it then this will be the only movie we rent this weekend.\" So we had no choice.\n\nNeedless to say, we freakin loved it and was immediately added to the rotation of videos. When Burt screams \"[Looks like somebody broke into the wrong goddamn rec room!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwAPVZUaaNU)\" after that shootout literally never got old. Just brilliant.", "Different movie and tone altogether but I remember when my step dad went to the video store without me one time and he brought back The Usual Suspects and I remember thinking \"what the hell is this? well... damn, it's what we got to watch so I guess we'll watch this lame ass movie that I've never heard of\". Turned out to be fucking amazing and that's when I learned to just go with it because you never know. I shouldn't have doubted him." ]	4	videos	Making Perfection: Beneath the surface of Tremors
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qby9bu/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qby9bu/deleted_by_user/	[ "That's impressive. OLDEST I've seen is a 900 yr old Giant Yellowood tree in Tsitsikamma, South Africa", "Time to get my inferno adze", "\"That thing is an absolute unit\"\n\n\"No yew\"", "I’ve got level 60 woodcutting I’ll handle this.", "Selling flax", "Still 100gp in 2021?", "Using the corpses of your fallen brothers and sisters to keep you alive and upright.", "Using the dismembered parts of his cousins to extend his life, that monster", "\"Connor\"", "That's a lot of carbon", "My local church growing up in Sussex had one a bit older than this\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GytWhx0MlJk&ab_channel=RichardVobes%28TheBaldExplorer%29\n\nLove a yew tree", "I’ve been standing outside edgeville choppin at that bastard for ages. Shame the logs don’t sell anymore.", "The Giant sequoia in the U.S. can live for thousands of years. \n\nSadly, there are less than 80,000 remaining and are an endangered species.", "Lucky it's not in Canada. They would chop it down", "Dang... WC Bots would take forever to cut this badboi", "Imagine being propped up by the limbs of your dead friends XD", "That tree has seen many many generations. A lot of kids have climbed on that tree touched it to take his blessings.", "The pictures never do justice to what it feels like to stand in those forests.", "Yeah, can't decide if that is 'amazing' or sad.", "Tree looks like someone's nan in the old folk's home, surrounded by machines and punctured by tubes with a look that says, \"Please, just let me die!\" \n\nAnd we look on and cry, \"NO! More chains! More posts! You wanna live? You want to laugh at us for 1600 years? Oh, you're gonna fuckin' never die!\"", "I used the wood to support the wood", "I like that they gave the elderly Tree Ent a bunch of canes to walk around with.", "This is just down the road from me. I live in Eastbourne.\n\nThis Yew is overlooked by a hugei 'Chalk' Hill giant \n[The Longman Of Wilmington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Man_of_Wilmington).\n\nI have a tattoo of him on my Leg.", "If this was in America someone would have burned/chopped/graffiti'd it already", "I'm always afraid of people posting about stuff like this, out of fear some limp-dicked putz who wants to make a name for themselves decides to go out there and kill it for the infamy.", "It should grow back in one to two minutes.", "I was thinking the exact same thing. I can see maybe posting it for curiosity sake, but adding in the exact location seems like a bad idea. Too many eyes on the internet and a few are bound to have bad intentions.", "I feel like this poor fella is just trying to die and we won't let him. Like an old man hooked up to a machine pleading to be unplugged.", "Probably not the best tree to stand under on a windy day like that! Considering it is literally being propped up. Amazing though, thanks for sharing.", "...waiting for Tom Scott to come into the frame.", "Good thing this was up close and not from a long way away. I might've confused it for a larch.", "Fuck no lmao like 2gp", "Pretty nuts driving a car through one or standing inside one that was burned alive from the inside and rebounded.", "I like this one better.\n\nThe other one looks sad and forced to live.", "Lasted longer than the confederacy, 😆 🤣 😂", "i came here to make this joke but nooo a fellow scaper already shit posted", "Using the corpses of your arch enemies to feed you.", "It's bizarre imagining a person a thousand years ago going \"wow this is a 600 year old tree!\"", "Guess it's time to kill my brothers and sisters to keep me alive and upright /s", "Profit snek has ruined the economy :(" ]	41	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9v6q5YzbGA&t=42s	/r/videos/comments/qbz7wr/hollywood_antivax_rally_channel_5/	[ "The vanguard for de-evolution has arrived and they are 'patriots'.", "Proudly shows off their American flag.... It's defaced with words and symbols.", "Dumb non-American here but can someone explain the zoom in on the state map with \"PB\" on it?", "Peanut Butter. Just a guess.", "Pee Balls", "Pacific Beach, California\n\nEdit: why is this being downmodded?", "It's a proud boys hat.", "\"We are going by the Nazi playbook\"\n\nWe know ma'am... We know...", "Did that man just said that without Trump, EDD PPP wouldn't exist? Scuse me what?", "These aren't real Americans.\n\nEdit: Guess I need to add \"IMO\". Yes they are literal American citizens.", "Ah thanks, that makes sense given the context", "they also like wearing Fred Perry shirts which is where the wreath comes from", "tldw: DEEZ NUTS", "We are Devo", "I absolutely LOVE the juxtaposition of a vaccinated Deez Nuts guy and the Antivaxxers.", "Are we not men?", "We need more videos like this to help the Redditor remind himself that he is superior in all ways.", "And that they think that you are trying to do 'gotcha journalism'. They are so in their grievance based bubble that they think that any inquiry on their position is an attack.", "No, unfortunately they are.", "I liked the explanation about why Trump isn't a sellout despite getting the vaccine and tacitly endorsing it. It's OK because he didn't try to incentivize people with money or donuts. If Trump not giving money away is objectively good then that explains why they love him. That grifter would never part way with a nickel for his followers.", "I’m embarrassed to be a part of the same species as these idiots. What a massive pile of useless trash.", "Most Mexican Americans are more American than these fake fuckers. Most illegals are more American than these fake fuckers.", "Peepee Bumbum", "Disagree. Defacing the American flag, welcoming fascism, xenophobia, etc. are all antithetical to the American ideal, the \"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free\". Unfortunately, there are a lot of fake Americans in the country, and in positions of power within the country. These people give real Americans a bad name.", "I would love for it to be a consistent LA segment titled \"Well Well, Welven.\"", "The 2nd largest Nazi party before WW2 was in America. Xenophobia has been a hallmark of Americanism for it's entire history in the shape of anti-immigration policies that are still an issue today (obviously). You can call them assholes, or piles of human garbage, but they are citizens of the USA, and are thus \"Americans\" whether you, or I, like it or not. They vote and are afforded all (if not more) of the rights that all Americans are entitled to. \n\nDon't get caught up in the no true scottsman fallacy, we need to own that our systems have failed these people. Mentally casting them aside does nothing but allow the issue to fester and get worse. Cancer isn't \"part of your body\", but it totally is. Ya know?", "Shut up loser", "D. E. V. O.", "Can you elaborate upon that?", "\"I like it tho....its cool\"\n\nSame Welvin.", "\"Do you think the Earth is flat?\"\n\nDo I think?!!!??! *I know.* You should go read Genesis. Anyway\".\n\nI don't want to be on the same planet as these kinds of people anymore :\\\\\n\nEdit : Also the woman who thinks Tom Hanks specifically sold his soul to the devil. I don't even.", "😤", "I liked it better when Andrew didn't talk as much.", "Wha... i... first of all it started with the Jews...", "America was founded through indigenous genocide as a tax dodge for tbe rich and built by enslaved human beings lol get out of here with your romanticized nonsense", "How so?\n\nI thought most modern western culture originated with mostly Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian and African ideals and culture. \n\nIs \"The Epic of Gilgamesh\" still not one of the oldest western stories that is codified in readable and translateable text?\n\nhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Epic-of-Gilgamesh", "My mind broke when he appeared. Took multiple seconds to process. Felt like a glitch in the timeline, a blatant malware troll by the simulation admin on shift.", "The only Non-American was the only one who sounded sane. That’s sad.", "I know it's so trendy on reddit to shit all over the US in every way but I love my country and want to see it do better. America was founded by immigrants with the thesis of personal liberty and freedom from monarchies and persecution. Was it perfect from the inception? Fuck no. \n\nWas it ever perfect? Fuck no. \n\nBut the truth exists between the extremes of being a POS evil country and \"American Exceptionalism, USA #1!\". Anecdotal, but all my grandparents came here as immigrants to escape hell from all over the globe. Holy shit do they love this country. They are the real Americans to me. A little bit of patriotism without nationalism doesn't make my views romanticized nonsense.", "In what way is xenophobia antithetical to the American ideal? It used to be illegal for non-whites to become citizens, so there's all these cases where the courts had to decide whether Syrians were white or not (in 1905 Arab Christians were determined to be white, in 1944 Muslims could come too).\n\nWhen it comes to fascism - Hitler cited America a bunch when justifying a lot of his policy. His whole \"Lebensraum\" concept is based on the American idea of \"Manifest Destiny\", and the genocidal core of Generalplan Ost was based on American ethnic cleansing of Native Americans.\n\nHere's a Hitler quote justifying Eastward expansion and his planned extermination of the non-Germans living there:\n\n> There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians.\n\nAlso the Nazis sent a legal delegation to the USA to study its racial segregation laws, to see if that could be incorporated into German law. They ended up not doing that, and somewhat ironically their own race laws were less exclusive than American ones. America had a \"one drop\" rule, meaning you were black and therefore legally bore all the consequences of that; whereas in the Nürnberger race laws allowed even half-Jewish people to be German citizens with some restrictions, and 1/8 Jewish were considered fully German.\n\nFascism borrowed lots of American ideas, and xenophobia is just as endemic in America as everywhere else on the planet - occasionally moreso.", "IMO, the kind of people who shout things like \"Russian before democrat!\" aren't true Americans, citizen or not. To me that's a reasonable stance.", "Hillary Clinton talked about the \"Glass Dome\"... that ostensibly covers the flat earth.\n\nThis type of fundamental misunderstanding is what leads people to believe anything. To reprogram that dude, would you start by trying to explain what the \"glass ceiling\" is or do you start with trying to disprove flat earth? \n\nThe mind boggles.", "I've found it odd how these type of groups also consider themselves extremely patriotic. It's not uncommon to see US flags along side Confederate flags or Nazi flags. It's like they don't really stop to think just how polar opposite those ideologies are from one another.", "America has often not lived up to its own ideal. To me, the ideal is that we are a nation of immigrants, The New Colossus. I can believe in the ideal and also recognize how sadly and often it hasn't fulfilled it.", "Exactly. They steal the American flag to try to justify their horseshit.", "It's your ideal and it's mine, but times when the USA has actually shared that ideal have been a few brief chapters.", "This crowd is a dumpster fuck. New favorite phrase.", "man they need to go easy on the zoom in and out meme, kinda overdone here", "is that a proud boys had or is that a Pacific Beach hat from san diego?", "This guy is the bomb. Capturing America's stupidity for the rest of us to see and share", "QED", "\n\"Dude, the Earth is round, what the fuck?\"\n\n- Gen. 11:62", "I know, right? My brain farts every time i try to think what I would say in response to that. \n\nMy brain is like \"Are you serious? You can't reason with people like that. Smile and wave while walking away slowly\".", "It's PB in gold and black with the wreath things, that's the proud boys colors and iconography.", "Lol shut up loser.", "I think it's because we, as citizens, have somewhat lost to significance of a flag. It's no longer a symbol of beliefs and ideology, but simply a just, a flag. A flag to wave around to make the argument seem superior. I think this is proven on how much the flag is defaced, altered, and general disrespected. \n\nI want to say it's the saturation in how much we use the flag, especially compared to other countries. It's everywhere. In the schools, in front of banks, businesses, you name it and a flag is there. Oversaturated and it lost it's reverence.", "I think by default it is. These people would rather become a different country than fix and heal their own for the sake of pride.", "Well it's a \"you're not wrong but you're wrong\" from me. I'm happy to agree to disagree. I'm certain we can both agree that something needs to be fixed." ]	59	videos	Hollywood Antivax Rally. Channel 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qbzc68/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qbzc68/deleted_by_user/	[ "So he didn't pay himself or anyone else for their time", "Why is your friend's financial status important?", "so made it with... a phone that cost money and other people's tools and time which cost them money. this type of title is hurting your attempt at promotion.", "What are these ridiculous comments? He made a good video with a small budget. It’s irrelevant if he paid people or not for their time? \n\nNot everything is about money, some people like creating things and putting something into the world/practicing their skill. \n\nI’ve been in friends short films, they’re students and building their portfolio not Harvey Weinstein", "It's completely relevant, especially since OP brought up money in the title. It's not OK to have people do things for free then brag about it. It's like asking someone paint you a piece of fine art if you but them a tube of paint, then using the low cost as an advertisement when you post it online.", "You’ve never helped someone with a project for the enjoyment of doing it? Not everything in life is transactional. \n\nMy entire high school I did that and no one involved expected to see a dime. That’s not what it was about. \n\nIt’s respectable to make a piece with no budget. Most huge filmmakers and actors would not be successful and able to make professional productions today (where it’s a job not an art piece) if they weren’t making projects with nothing. Because at an early stage where are you supposed to be getting funding? Creators are majorly dirt poor. \n\nMusicians dont start seeing any money until 1000s of hours of work, and that’s a route they have to take because they love it.", "How are you not getting that the $100 brag is the issue?", "How are you not getting that turning little to nothing into something is an accomplishment to not only the filmmaker but everyone involved?", "If you turn nothing into something by getting people to work for free for your benefit, it's not a positive accomplishment that you should brag about. I bet you are also the kind of person to ask artists online to do \"commissions\" for free.", "I’ve helped friends with their short films and friends have helped me with my projects. It’s creative collaboration and it is an accomplishment to get people on the same page and work towards a goal for the sake of seeing it through and creating something. \n\n\nlol I’m done though you’re way dense. No I would not try to commission work to be done for me for free. However I will happily work for free if it is a project I believe in or a person I believe in, or just a friend trying to make a fun project. \n\nx3 not everything in life has to be transactional.", "You're just not getting that the brag is the issue. If that that's how you go about making art, people are going to stop working with you pretty quickly. I'm sad to see you stifling your furture like that.", "😂 yes I will tell my friends they must pay me health insurance and hourly next time I hold a mic for their passion project", "Make sure they brag about how little they spent, especially if you are an actual professional creator and need to pay for real life things like rent, equipment, etc. Otherwise, calm your hobbyist self down." ]	8	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/e5K3c9VjvOQ	/r/videos/comments/qc06dk/how_chewing_gum_killed_a_19yearold_girl/	[ "This was surprisingly informative.", "Too much of any one thing is a good way to throw your body into disarray and collapse. And drink more Brondo.", "was it xylotol poisoning? i don't wanna watch it that dudes annoying", "They think that’s part of it, plus a bunch of vitamin deficiencies I guess?", "It’s the thirst mutilator!" ]	5	videos	How Chewing Gum Killed a 19-Year-Old Girl
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc0yyt/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qc0yyt/deleted_by_user/	[ "dogs, answer is dogs", "The question is are they gonna maintain it this time?", "If you build it, they will come." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpidtj8aYmE	/r/videos/comments/qc12j4/cool_stranger_things_halloween_projection_mapping/	[ "This one is not as good as the others I've seen.", "how do you even do that! any good tutorials", "oh right... at the end of the video is a link..... my bad", "https://projectionmapping.thinkific.com/" ]	4	videos	Cool Stranger Things Halloween Projection Mapping Show
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc137g/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qc137g/deleted_by_user/	[ "What the fuck happened for BMW Q3 2019?!", "I would have bet good $ that Chevrolet was close to Ford in popularity. Had no idea there was so much disparity between those two.", "Data outlier?", "We bought a Jeep Wrangler in June 2015 after renting one (free upgrade) on our honeymoon eight months prior, and I kept seeing more and more Jeeps on the road. This explains it.\n\nI think Jeep was pushing their vehicles in the rental market, which explains why it was free. It more than likely helped boost sales because I gotta admit it was a smooth ride.", "Well damn, I thought Subaru would at least make the list at some point.", "The video description says that this data came from google search trends, which makes me wonder if they bundled 'Chevrolet' with 'Chevy' in their results. I bet there are a lot of people searching for 'Chevy' instead of the the long 'Chevrolet'" ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7B767HYUqQ	/r/videos/comments/qc17dc/jimmy_page_blows_two_fanss_minds/	[ "\"Two fans\" seems like burying the lead but I guess it's not wrong haha", "Watch the documentary. He wasn’t blowing minds, they were jamming on some things together and having a chat.", "Just 2 random fans, no biggie...", "Is The Edge anyone's guitar hero? I always hear him being praised a lot, but I can't imagine the type of person that thinks the Edge is the pinnacle of guitar playing", "I am not an Edge fan, however, what makes him good/unique is taking simple riffs and making them sound huge with the use of delay and reverb. 3 simple picked notes sounds like orchestration.", "It might get loud. \n\nI love Jimmy & Jack. Not as big on Edge but it was a great documentary.\n\n\"Who says you need to buy a guitar?\"", "I think he's more impressive for his use of effects than his guitar style", "This should have been a series. Would love to see groups of 3 guitar players from different genres having a chat.", "It's actually burying the \"lede\", but \"lead\" has become acceptable over the years. Lede is a purposeful misspelling coming from the days of lead type to avoid confusion.", "He's solid but it really telling when they get to his part of the documentary and all he can talk about is his layers of peddles and effects. He's a really technically minded guy it seems and the guitar playing seems to take backseat to that, at least in this film.", "I always think titles like this are a clever trick to get interaction. The minutes someone sees the title and watches the video, they're going to feel the need to call it out.", "So he's like a less talented Tom Morello?", "It's what he's known for but i think its debatable that it's good or even unique. Guitar players have been pushing the technology of the instrument forever (and you hear Jimmy Page getting excited about the invent of overdrive in this clip). Jimi made the wah wah peddle hot. Tom Morello has done a lot of neat stuff. As has Jack White. \n\nBut IMO, each of the other guitar players i just listed used the technology/sounds to make _more_ of their actual playing. The technolgoy is a tool to enhance the craft. Edge doesn't do that IMO. He's more computer operator than guitar player. More of a producer. I think he's contributed to music overall, but I wouldn't put him on any list of great guitar players. He doesn't have a mastery of the instrument. He's just sonically observant. He could have just as easily been a synth player.", "TIL: nodding and smiling = getting your mind blown", "On the other hand, I can’t listen to the Steve Vai types. That’s just pure wankery. Yes he is very talented and it is musical, but is it something most people other than guitar players want to listen to? My point here is what makes him a great guitar player is knowing what fits the music and playing memorable parts. Those 3 notes in With or Without You or other U2 hits sound stale and janky without the effects, he made it musical.", "Your confusing craftsmanship (skill at guitar) with musical feely goods. I don't enjoy steve vai or any of the virtuosos either. But they have a deep and masterful understanding of _playing the guitar_. Edge doesn't imo. Great musician? Maybe. Great guitarist? Nope.", "Then it’s all opinions. What makes a guitar player great? Knowing scales or making the music they play sound amazing. I don’t like Limp Bizkit but would argue Borland did things of the box that defined their genre, same as The Edge.", "Disagreeing with most of the opinions on Edge below. People seem to think \"guitar mastery\" is synonymous with speed. To me the guitar masters are the guys who play a large part in defining the sound of their groups. Think about \"Here Comes the Sun\" or \"Words of Love\" without George Harrison. Think about \"Sultans of Swing\" without Mark Knopfler. Bono is an okay singer, but to my mind The Edge pretty much defined the unique sound of U2.", "It bothers me so much that for the \"effects guy\" in this docu, they chose the fucking Edge over Tom Morello. I also really don't like U2 so I am sure that has something to do with it.", "Lede Zeppelin?", "as someone once said \"it's knowing what notes NOT to play\"...", "thanks for that bit of linguist trivia! Much like the history of champing vs chomping the bit", "This. You can play 20 or 2 notes. It’s all about nuance and feeling. I respect bands like Animals as Leaders that can hash all this out like a symphony orchestra with a 3 piece, however, it comes down to what works and is listenable. I love Animals as Leaders, but only in short bursts. It’s just too busy. There is a reason these mainstream guitarists get play, they know what to play and when to play it. The Edge has done this successfully for well over 30 years. That is what makes him a great guitarist.", "I'm a Mars Volta head, so I think we're in the same relative musical headspace. I dabble in playing guitar, but I'm a total neophyte when it comes to music theory. My previous comment makes me sound more wise than I am on the topic xD", "I haven’t cared about any of U2s albums for the past 20 - 25 years, but Edge is a fantastic player/songwriter. He would probably agree with your criticism, though. In fact, he demonstrates a riff in this movie with and without the effects to show that the effects are doing the heavy lifting. The riff wouldn’t work without the effects. \n\nBut using effects is a huge part of playing the guitar. Just ask Tom Morello! \n\nHis use of delay and reverb is legendary. In the 80’s we had Eddie Van Halen as the ultimate guitar hero. And then on the other end of the spectrum we had guys like The Edge, who used a more minimalist approach. Both were hugely influential to everyone who came after them.", "Very good analogy! I don’t listen to U2 or Limp Bizkit, but you got to give it up to both of their guitar players. They were both innovators. It’s really hard to pick up a guitar and play something original. These guys pulled it off and were massively successful at the same time.", "I was gonna say there's literally a scene in this movie where he turns off the effects and laughs about how simple what he's actually doing is. He's definitely aware.", "It did not get loud", "That's why it wasn't called It Will Get Loud.", "If anybody doesn’t like his playing that’s fair enough. But he’s also a good writer. I’ve always loved the theme from [Goldeneye](https://youtu.be/qGPBFvDz_HM).", "Yeah people often overlook that part of being a great guitarist is being able to write a good riff. I think everyone who knows how to play guitar can play rolling stones licks but that doesn't change the fact that Keith Richards is one of the best of all time because he's the one that came up with those riffs. Just because there's people technically better doesn't make his writing any less impressive.", "Absolutely. Keith is one of my favorites ever to touch the instrument. His feel is just impossible to imitate. But as you said, his main contribution was that he wrote all those iconic riffs. He could move people with just a couple of chords.\n\nI also like how he doesn’t worry too much about playing a “wrong” note or playing exactly like the studio recording. Page and Hendrix as well." ]	32	videos	Jimmy Page blows two fans's minds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzt-YuJo45U	/r/videos/comments/qc1a03/boeing_777_cargo_jet_almost_loses_landing_gear_in/	[ "Insane.", "Holy cow the balls on those pilots", "That's what the gears are supposed to do. It didn't almost lose nothing. Shows what kind of impressive engineering goes into these beasts.", "Agree, the landing gear was completely fine and OP is exaggerating the already exaggerated title. They did rock and come in unevenly but a 777 can take a lot harder than that.", "fortunately no passengers" ]	5	videos	Boeing 777 cargo jet almost loses landing gear in crosswind landing
https://youtu.be/mtQEKyLI0kc	/r/videos/comments/qc1gjt/all_this_footage_was_taken_with_a_smartphone_and/	[ "Details on the lens?", "Iv used different lenses over the years, but I found that the lense is not as important as the phone you use. Search any macro lens on amazon, and get the cheapest option that fits your phone. The phone I'm using now is the s20 ultra, and the telephoto lense on the phone plus the macro clip in makes for incredible close up shots. I say start cheap just to get a taste for it, then scale up.", "Thanks! I have the IPhone 11 Pro." ]	3	videos	All this footage was taken with a smartphone and a 20$ clip on macro lens.
https://youtu.be/RXifCVjoL5w	/r/videos/comments/qc1w3g/how_to_install_windows_11/	[ "How to install windows 11: \n\nDownload Windows 11 Media Creation tool. Insert USB stick. Done", "Easy for people that know tech, not newbies", "How to install windows 11:\n\nGoogle \"Windows 11\" or go to Microsoft's website. Read instructions. Perform instructions. Done." ]	3	videos	How To Install Windows 11
https://youtu.be/4ywctbsgdoo	/r/videos/comments/qc23je/tray_chaney_poot_from_the_wire_honors_nurses/	[ "It's wrong to idealize all nurses -- especially given how many of them appear to be anti-vax. Those who do follow proper medical protocol definitely deserve 110% of that respect. Those frustratingly common ones who don't vaccinate need to be kicked out of the medical field.", "'The worst pandemic in history', pretty sure the bubonic plague killing hundreds of millions of people.....", "this should definitely be posted in /r/cringe" ]	3	videos	Tray Chaney (Poot from The Wire) honors Nurses
https://youtu.be/puIxwPqeJ_M	/r/videos/comments/qc367a/timelapse_video_of_almost_the_entire_ring_road_in/	[ "The Icelandic band Sigur Ros did a 24hr [live stream of route one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54tllj-SKI&t=30225s), while streaming a version of one of their songs that was (I think) procedurally altered through a computer. It's not something I've ever watched in full but it's an interesting concept.", "Thats the first thing I thought of as well! I've driven Ring road twice now, its always a good time.", "I went on a trip from Reykjavik to Jökulsárlón just before Covid, and saw some of the most sparsely beautiful landscapes I've ever seen. Almost otherworldly at times going through the lava fields. Would love to go back and take a week or so driving round the whole way.", "I actually read about that, I think on the Wikipedia page about the Ring Road." ]	4	videos	Timelapse video of almost the entire ring road in Iceland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqeuG-IzoO0	/r/videos/comments/qc3c75/rnottheonions_20millionsubscriber_milestone/	[ "This is meta enough to make the universe turn inside out.", "Meta!", "Hey, I saw you in the video!", "Wait! I don't get that again!", "Hey! I saw you in the video!", "Hey! I saw you in the video!", "I genuinely have no idea what's going on right now.", "this is great.", "The universe is imploding, obviously.", "Now what do we do?", "This is what it looks like when you have your head so far up your own ass.", "I need more", "But we can't see you.", "[https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc3c75/rnottheonions\\_20millionsubscriber\\_milestone/](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc3c75/rnottheonions_20millionsubscriber_milestone/)", "I genuinely have no idea what's going on right now.", "How do you define recursion?", "It's So Meta Even This Acronym", "All Hail Ramses!", "You don't", "Stupid and I love it", "Watch it again", "Enjoy it", "Unidan... That was a ride", "This\n\nSee also: Recursion", "Hmmm, so how'd he get comments about a posted video into the video before it was posted?", "Reminds me of a similar video I saw that other time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqeuG-IzoO0", "alt accounts. Or redditors playing along.", "Can I be in the screenshot?", "Ironically, or unironically, this video would probably be removed by the mods over at r/nottheonion.", "I mean, barring the fact that it's literally the number 1 post on the sub for the last 10 hours...yeah, you're totally right.", "google has a good answer to this one", "Id guess since the shot in the video showed no points or names it was shopped or whatever and the top comments came along to play into the joke as redditors do", "^woah", "SMETA!", "Yes.", "/r/nottheonion sucks now, the strict moderation and deletion of not-oniony articles was what made it good", "I have no idea what's going on right now.", "Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looong time\n\nA long time", "It's just that those top comments were made 2 hours after the video was posted. That was plenty of time for other comments to have made it to the top to ruin the joke." ]	40	videos	/r/NotTheOnion's 20-Million-Subscriber Milestone Prompts Bizarrely Recursive Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJLTzE59Y0	/r/videos/comments/qc3pa0/a_short_introduction_into_the_open_source/	[ "I wish technology had progressed to the point where we could have in-home planetariums with high quality yet affordable projectors", "Wow that would be amazing! But that would require a spherical-like ceiling. I think that there are a lot of possibilities or VR and AR. Hopefully some nice products will come.", "If the room was dark why couldn't you perform some geometric adjustments based on the dimensions of the room? Enter room dims, software adjusts size of stars close to the edges/corners of the room so it appears you are under a dome. Of course it would have to be a pretty clean room, no windows, etc...", "This program is amazing, and so powerful. I am still learning things about how it works. Tomorrow I am going to show my astronomy class the moons of Jupiter the way that he shows it in his video. Thank you for sharing!", "Ah I understand! That could actually work after the room has been measured by the device in detail (I mean robo vacuum cleaners also scan their environment).", "Thanks for your reply :). And thanks for the positivity. We need more teachers like you teaching astronomy and what's \"above our heads\".\n\nCurrently I am also creating some Space + Python coding tutorials on YT. Hopefully they are easy enough to be accessible by anyone!" ]	6	videos	A short introduction into the Open Source planetarium software "Stellarium"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz1LM9kwRLY	/r/videos/comments/qc3ueb/debunking_lies_about_3d_printed_concrete_houses/	[ "Very interesting and insightful takes abound. Also makes me think that maybe all those proposals for 3d printing habitats on the Moon or Mars may be at least partially bogus as well.", "This is very interesting I didn't know that this was a thing but yeah 24 hours for a house to be built you got to be kidding me. It's very informative video I like it", "Hang on here-- a well-reasoned, unbiased, informed, level-headed video about the actual merits and drawbacks of a new technology? Where did this come from?!\n\n(seriously-- great video and presentation. It's nice to see a normal person just talking sense about something for once)", "She's really good. She dashed my ideas for a shipping container tiny home, LOL, but she did it with exactly the methods you mentioned.", "I like her, she's like Thunderf00t except not as abrasive or smug sounding.", "Exactly which part of the video makes you doubt Moon/Mars proposals, and which parts of the proposals now seem bogus to you? After watching, I see zero overlap between this and those.\n\nThis video doesn't debunk the actual printing of habitats, just some of the claims about its effects on or benefits compared to conventional construction.", "\"A solution looking for a problem.\" I like that. Right now, this is just a different way of doing things. Cool, yes, but not the breakthrough it's reported as.", "Yea people just tend to exaggerate and run with the possibilities of technology way before it is that far developed. \n\nAt some point in time, we probably will be capable of doing these things with 3D printing. But who knows when that is. Definitely no time soon.", ">Exactly which part of the video makes you doubt Moon/Mars proposals, and which parts of the proposals now seem bogus to you? \n\nFor me, the [explicit highlighting](https://youtu.be/sz1LM9kwRLY?t=555) of how sensationalism is detrimental to the actual development of technology.", "Actually that seems far more viable given it's about using materials available on site... something we don't necessarily need to do on Earth.", "The big thing she's saying is that 3-d printing (at this point) isn't much/any better/cheaper than normal housing built by people.\n\nOn Mars that pendulum would likely swing heavily towards 3-d printing due to all of the difficulties in getting people to build structures manually there.", "A solution looking for a problem may be tequila.", "What part, exactly, is sensationalized?\n\nNASA/ESA don't even necessarily claim that the printed structures would be airtight, let alone a complete habitat. ISRU habitat printing is primarily just to get a shell of regolith around a manufactured interior for radiation protection.\n\nThere are certainly some designs that intend to be the primary \"hull\", but every single one of those concepts acts as a skeleton that is later sealed.", "Sure, but none of this technology is going to be competing with existing industry on the moon, and the challenges there will be incomparable to here. The availability of alternatives will be as well, as well as how the job site and workers will function without an atmosphere. Drawing a line between them this exact to what we're currently talking about just sounds daft.\n\nNone of the goals presented for these use cases on Earth (fast and cheap) will be goals there. Something you can build in a spacesuit that works in low gravity is. The people who will invest in it are completely different as well, as are their own goals.\n\nLike she said, it's a solution looking for a problem on Earth to solve to justify making a business out of it in the present, where there's no Moon colony to use this for yet. Even if does find one, that wouldn't change much about its application in space.", ">Exactly which part of the video makes you doubt Moon/Mars proposals, and which parts of the proposals now seem bogus to you?\n\nI mean, part of it is things like what's more efficient and safe: do we send complex printing equipment that needs to be calibrated and serviced during the process BUT which allows us to do ISRU (which is a very real and important possible advantage), or do we send tried-and-true habitat building materials since we'll have to send all the material for the habitat's guts anyways? We can only print the walls for the habitat, so materials for plumbing, electricity, and other internals will need to be shipped regardless of what building method we ultimately use.\n\nThat said, 3d printing could be useful in a hybrid approach where the initial habitat structures are constructed from traditional materials using traditional methods, and then further development is done using ISRU via 3d printed structures.", "We would be better centralising construction of prefabricated homes in large factories - the savings in time, labour, weather delays, material wastage, energy and error correction will make it worth the effort.", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kz165f1g8-E", "> We can only print the walls for the habitat, so materials for plumbing, electricity, and other internals will need to be shipped regardless of what building method we ultimately use.\n\nThe Mars/lunar printed habitat concepts are for external shells over a manufactured interior. The shells are not claimed to be pressure-bearing, contain electronics or plumbing, or to do anything beyond mitigate radiation exposure.\n\nEvery single proposed design for NASA or ESA is basically just intended to bury a traditionally-manufactured structure with something that can ~~something that can~~ support its own weight.\n\nEdit: accidentally retyped the same phrase", "When do you plan on prefabricating Martian homes? I have said nothing about the uses on Earth (I happen to agree with the video), so make sure that's what you're talking about.", "God i recently just found is channel and have watched every single vidoes..\n\nHer ability to shatter any overhyped trend intelligently and respectfully is amazing.\n\nIts will be so easy for her to be smug while giving criticism if she wants to but she doesn't do it. She alwasy calls out these entrepreneurs using poverty and homelessness as buzzword while promoting their product. At the end ratherthan dismissing entire technology she calls for realistic goals.\n\nFor people intereste watch her video on containership homes and containership swimming pools", "It's like setting up an umbrella pole and complaining that it doesn't stop the sun before you attach the umbrella.", "The section on Africa was probably a big part of it. The person who used it in Africa indicated that there were major problems with having so many back up generators because it used so much power and so many problems with sand blowing into the mold ruining the concrete.", "Two prefabricated modular houses (not 3d printed) popped up in my neighborhood. Both looked like an almost finished house within days and I was quite impressed. People moved in relatively quickly, but it took almost a year until they didn't look like a building sites any more", "Haha, I had the same thought.\n\nAlso, she probably doesn't milk the same topic 11 times repeating the same points over and over again.\n\nSOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS!", "With how pricey a pig with lipstick is these days...I dunno if I am shied away from a shipping container tiny home. It beats a cardboard box I imagine.", "I have some inside dirt on ICON. The leadership is…bad", "Solar freakin' roadways", "Printing on the Moon doesn't have wind. Printing in either location does not use concrete (liquid water's not a good idea, though one team did suggest ice) or molds.", "Ah so you've limited your point to the moon instead of the Moon/Mars. Very clever use of an ad hoc.", "I ran into her channel earlier today, it’s interesting as fuuuck. She gives a good, unbiased, and informative look at things, and you come away with a better understanding of the subject at hand.\n\nShe’s like Tom Scott but more focused on a particular subject.", "What do you think \"either location\" means? Read past the first sentence next time.\n\nI didn't say that Mars doesn't have wind because it does, and thus the point you're making cannot be refuted as easily and must be addressed differently.", ">journalists\n\nThat the people spouting this crap are even called journalists at all is a real issue. It's stupid news \"blogs\" and bullshit clickbait pieces. Really wish something could be done about it, but it continues because it works.", "\"A house is not just walls.\"\n\nExactly, this is also my issue with The Boring Company's bricks, being talking about as the solution to low cost housing.\n\nWe have a long way to go and many automation technologies to develop before we're building entire homes.", "For some reason YOutube pushed this video on me. Seems that it did to other people as well.\n\nSeems like youtube doesn't like 3D printing houses. :(", "I was in a similar situation. The frustration of being an engineer at a company doing good work but knowing full well delivering on the insane BS your boss is saying to the media is just impossible just crushed me.", "I feel like this video and the shipping container one are both in the territory of \"Well duh, did people not know this already?\".", "Need more of videos like this. Well done.", "I’ve worked in a support role for a few different sales departments in a few industries. \n\nI’d trust maybe 10% off sales people to operate a 3D printer. So either yours is super friendly, or you do one hell of a job hiring from the technically savvy end of the Sales pool.", "TL;DR: overeager techies vastly underestimating the complexity of the industry they are \"disrupting\", as usual.", "We're all going to be eating perfect lab-grown meat next year! We'll open the gates and let the cows live out their lives!", "i feel like building a single house doesn't make sense but streamlining the process and making an entire block or 10 lol and this process would shine.", "Go on...", "> I would say the best use of the machine is in places where its hard to find skilled labor, where its hard to ship prefab walls to, or to make custom architect drawn houses.\n\nWould it really be easier to transport and set up a Concrete Printer in such locations compared to doing the things you listed?", "It might be a good idea to remember the [technology adoption lifecycle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle) when discussing new technologies.\n\nYou're probably in one of those groups, regarding different things of course. So you might be an early adopter for certain types of products while being a laggard in others and so on. Anyways, if an innovator talks to a laggard, then of course it will seem insane, but also vice versa. Both are probably right in many aspects, and of course most people fall somewhere in the middle of the bell curve.\n\nUsually new inventions seem to be much more profound when they actually gain traction than anybody could predict, especially when multiple new technologies are combined. For instance putting computers in cell phones basically destroyed the yellow pages.\n\nPeople, especially innovators, often predict way too optimistically that all kinds of interesting things might happen in the future, which would always seem like they're making promises that cannot be fulfilled to laggards. Innovators are obsessed with potential, which keeps changing as more data is gathered, while laggards are obsessed with risk avoidance, being averse to making an investment that doesn't pay itself back on time.\n\nSo after a while 3D printing will probably revolutionize things we didn't expect it would, but we might still not have houses being 3D printed, despite any current hype. We don't know if something else will supplant 3D printing. Why would you 3D print a house when you can just have a nanobot swarm assemble it faster?", "The problem with shipping container homes is that there are a lot of better and cheaper ways to build a home. If you want to have things like windows and doors or rooms that aren't super narrow you're basically just paying a premium on corrugated metal siding so you can say \"my home was a shipping container\", because anytime you cut into the siding of the shipping container it loses its strength and you need to reinforce it so you basically build a regular wall inside the container anyways. There are also other issues, such as how the paint on the container is designed to resist corrosive conditions on the ships and contain potentially toxic chemicals, plus they often transport toxic products and you never know exactly what the container has transported so it might expose you to some nasty stuff even if you're careful. Also, if you want to insulate at all, the impermeable exterior tends to cause moisture issues that can easily result in mold in a lot of climates, unless you put exterior insulation on the outside to prevent cold condensing surfaces, but then you have to put on some sort of exterior siding so then what's even the point of using the shipping container? The list of issues goes on, and her video on the subject breaks down why they're pure marketing very well, though apparently the video pissed a lot of people off because they didn't want their bubbles burst.", "Honestly it’s second hand so I don’t feel great sharing it. If I witnessed it I’d be spilling it all though.", "I just recently discovered some of her videos. And I've definitely been bingeing them. I've never resurfaced a tub before but I'm glad I watched her video before trying it.", "> or to make custom architect drawn houses\n\nThis is the use case that makes the most sense to me. There are generally better ways to make flat surfaces with square corners, but 3D printing allows for much more interesting geometry.", "I cant understand her heavy accent.", "Oh yeah no doubt. Shipping containers aren't ideal for a home, a bar or some outdoor type of \"building\" sure but not a living space. I very much appreciated her video though as it looked at the pros and cons and wasnt biased whatsoever. It felt like the first non-biased yet reasonable YouTube that I have came across in a very long time.", "Solar roads! Recycled Plastic bricked pathways! 3D printed literally everything! The Ted talk generation have graduated into their first marketing jobs and are only capable of producing videos for reddit clicks. When someone starts critically thinking or trying to action any of this shit it fails at the first hurdle.", "Good video, I didn't hear anything about the amount of co2 emmisions for concrete production, I think it's some ridiculously high amount too.. Considering these printer are supposed to be the wonderful technology of the future they don't say much for being environmentally friendly.", "> you absolutely can get smooth walls, just need a proper nozzle\n\nThere even was a clip of one in the video.", "Share it you panzy. Don't dangle juicy drama in front of us only to reel it back in when somebody shows interest.", "Same thing I was thinking. God I was there in that time, metaphorically holding a protest sign that solar roadways was a dumb idea. \n\nI'm an architect. I think 3D printed walls will have it's place in the construction world. But like all other building materials in the world, it will just HAVE IT'S PLACE, not save the world. \n\nI roll my eyes so hard whenever I see news on the internet such as \"Local engineer solves plastic waste crisis by making a brick to make houses with\" and it's like okay... plastic and housing crisis solved! wow you did it! \n\nAnd I don't blame the innovators from trying new things, I commend them, but I blame the \"news\" from outlandish claims.", "Well she's made 7 videos about shipping containers, so there's that. Maybe not as bad as Thunderf00t but they are among her most popular videos, so she knows what gets the views.", "back in architecture school 8ish years ago, shipping container projects were all the rage.", "Just preface it with \"My friend said they witnessed...\"", "She is spot on with here assessment here. I built a novel concrete printer and stopped before taking it to market(realized it wasn't going to make me money anytime soon), she covered every single reason that makes it a perpetual uphill battle.", "I know nothing about 3D printing in concrete construction but, at least from what was shown in the video, what is the benefit of it? If you wanted a concrete pour wall a construction crew could probably frame that and have it poured before these things had made half a wall.\n\nGenerally the strength of 3D printing, aside from being automated, is creating shapes/structures and layouts that would be extremely difficult to do by hand or via molds. These just seem to be doing a worse job while taking longer and costing more.", "On the specialists thing... Working in tech for 15+ years now has taught me one thing... and that is that, even if anyone CAN do it themselves, \"specialists\" will crop up, just for piece of mind, especially in manufacturing or big projects like this where a fuck up can mean tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars in material waste.", "Honestly I think innovators are a mixed bag... some really believe their claims and just need a good slap by reality... Others... are pretty obviously looking for a paycheck, I blame those because in the end those con artists often stifle innovation for the rest.", "Makes so much more sense to just do a monolithic dome home. They're about on par with stick-built homes and that's only due to the higher costs of certain interior walls and cabinetry being more custom to contour to the exterior.", "Agree with mixed bag description. I just don't want to blow off all new ideas. Like I think I saw one time that the creator of baby incubators was some literal side show carnival barker who adopted abandoned premature babies and showed them off for a dime a ticket. yadda yadda yadda that weirdo con-man saved millions of lives lol.", "[The thing with concrete is it's production is responsible for 8% of global greenhouse gas emissions.](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/concrete-and-cement-industries-brace-for-demand-boom-from-1-trillion-infrastructure-plan.html)\n\n\n[And it requires sand, which we will start seeing shortages of.] (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/sand-shortage-the-world-is-running-out-of-a-crucial-commodity.html)", "Lot easier to damage prefab walls in shipment than rock powder I'm guessing so there's less risk there.", "Prefab walls require a set, non-negotiable amount of space (the height and width of the wall segment) as well as careful shipping (they have to be shipped vertical IIRC as laying them flat could break the ones on the bottom). Bags of concrete can fit in nearly any space, and require no special handling at all.", "and there is, as he says, some training. Yeah, you can probably train most people but they still need to be trained.", "Since you work in field, can you share how you feel about concrete in general? Concrete production is a massive polluter even in CO2 emissions (climate change) and many areas in the world have dwindling or no access to aggregate needed at all. Is concrete the right medium to be working with?", "esp since properly cured concrete has about 14 day cure time.", "I know concrete, I have had a lot of experience with concrete and concrete construction. Where is the reinforcement bars to keep this stable in an Earthquake? A very interesting technology and one that might be really important in building houses. But what are the building codes and has it been approved for construction in the USA?", "If that accent is too thick then I don't know what to tell you man. Get outside your bubble and talk to (or at least watch) people from other places. Her accent is not so strong that it should be indecipherable.", "What I want to is, if the concrete is being printed, how is the rebar getting in? That much concrete without SOME form of reinforcement is a disaster waiting to happen.", "Settlement is the killer of cast concrete. It won't actually fail or fall to the ground unless there is no kind of reinforcement bars or mesh. It just settles and cracks and causes problems", "The frame of a wooden house can go up in a few days. For any kind of house, the finish work takes the most time.", "Lost me at 'disrupting'", "You can do a lot of stuff with rock powder, like divide it into smaller stackable units that you can't do once it's already cast. If a wall isn't designed to fit in a container you have to figure out a more expensive way to ship it. If concrete mix won't fit in a container you just repackage it so it will. You can put it in smaller bags or get narrower pallets or don't stack it so high, etc. If a wall is to wide, it's just too wide.", "If a prefab wall gets damaged in transit it's useless. If you have somehow damaged your concrete aggregate you probably have larger problems. \n \nAlso, you can put a lot more loose aggregate into a box and ship it. Combine with water at the build site. If I need to do a 2 square foot, 4 in thick slab that's 1.6 cubic feet and should weigh in at 240 pounds as a prefab slab or a 80 pounds of aggregate plus water on site.", "I've been looking at some Prefab stuff for a possible ADU (aka granny flat).\n\nThe technology is getting a LOT better, especially compared to \"modular homes\" when I was a kid. It's certainly not perfect, but definitely making progress.", "Youtube automatic captioning is pretty good now. You can enable that and the text will be like 98% correct.", "On the sand shortage, I find it interesting that desert sand is actually shaped differently than beach sand. It’s actually all rounded vs the jagged corners of beach sand.", "I appreciate you mentioning her videos. I just had a look. She is mostly wrong at every step, but I appreciate the point of view.", "Who fucking cares.\n\nWatch John Oliver's report on manufactured homes. The issue isn't how to build affordable housing. We already know how to do that. They're called \"mobile homes\". \n\nThe PROBLEM is oligarchs that own the machines that make the housing/materials and the LAND. Even IF you own an affordable home, there's nothing stopping Warren Buffet, or someone like him, rolling in with these assholes who will purchase the land from whatever rich guy already owns it, and raise your rents. They've even made a business teaching others how to do this.\n\nI swear, people get so easily detracted by whatever shiny keys silicon valley jingles in front of your face. And the Fortune 500 company wonders why it can't find anyone to work for them. We fucking can't afford to live in your area assholes!", "Just curious about how you power these machines? The video says reliable power is a big issue; so it is as simple as setting up some generators with some fuel? Would love to get some insight from someone in the industry.", "Sack up and post it. This is Reddit not your office cubicle.", "Post up, son. I've ran that past 4 different tiny home contractors with CCU build out experience, and the Prof at UC Davis who wrote the book on engineering cut-outs in CCUs, and they confirm. I still like the aesthetic and modularity, so I'd love to hear it if you've got a rebuttle.", "If you want to see an example of a truly sustainable house, go to [ShelterINADay.com](https://ShelterINADay.com) Shelter is a remarkable example of a house made with arguably the most sustainable material on the planet, recycled wood fiber, specifically Medium-Density Fiberboard or MDF. This house can be built in a day without power or other tools by a couple of strong people and it can be built anywhere on any simple foundation, even pavers. Check it out!", "While you are absolutely correct, its too easy to write off developing technologies off that cliche. Exposure is how ideas have to evolve, which is also how we gain additional insights and perspectives. It helps with another cliche: we don't know what we don't know.", "I literally just discovered her channel earlier this week, and I’m not a construction gay but I have binged a lot of her videos because she so clearly knows her stuff and presents it very well. I’m so glad her channel is blowing up.", "> Now, some 3D print companies insist on using their own proprietary mix, these companies suck as thats expensive as shit.\n\nOf course it is expensive. Material science doesn't just happen. If a company is going to include guarantees about their product, they must be able to control the material components.", "Okay, first time seeing this... why not use cinderblocks instead of 3D printing? \n\nAlso, why do we want to eliminate labor costs when looking to provide low cost housing? Because that seems like it would increase poverty especially when you consider that building jobs are fairly accessible and often employ immigrant populations, so maybe not eliminating them would be good?", "Dude, this girl lays people OUT and she is amazing.", "Imagine trying to move pre-fab walls in places with poor road infrastructure like middle-Africa or south-east Asia, where the roads are either non-existent or narrow or prone to weather conditions. Being able to bring in a machine could open up tons of construction options in remote areas that are hard to regularly reach.", "You can BUY folding frames now direct from China, they're fucking dope. No metal walls, just the frame - build your own walls and eliminate the reasons containers suck.\n\nThis makes \"containers\" awesome again, and actually a viable building option. Grade 8 seismic, and stack 3 high (can do more on a special order / thicker frames) so you can go 8-9 high like regular containers.", "This has been shoved down my throat on YouTube. And now someone is posting it on Reddit.", ">construction gay", "Anyone interested in going deeper in alternative building check out the book The Barefoot Architect. Talks all about the fundamentals of building for different climates. I read it for fun in High School.", "I like the sounds of that. I needs some better keywords to search for; what are they calling them? Any immediate advantages to just light gauge steel framing?", "Paid shills rather. Like how Tesla 'has no PR department', but actually spends millions on social media and influencers masquerading as tech vloggers.", "Well yeah, I can't see anyone wanting to print their novels on concrete. Just seems a little cumbersome.", "Which in no way disqualifies it from construction use. \n\nGarbage, fear mongering article.", "We use anaerobic digesters to process the residual solids from out sewage treatment plant. The solid output from those digesters is an ash-like material that gets used as fiber in concrete. So that's gotta offset the concrete emissions, somewhat. Then there's how awesome ICF foundations are! If we could figure out clean concrete, that'd be great.", "Project Managers I work with are the most obtuse people I've ever dealt with. This exchange actually happened:\n\nPM: ok so I need you guys (SMEs) to tell us if this will work\n\nEngineers: it will not work\n\nPM: Ok so lets build it and then tell us what you need from us\n\nEngineers: ...", "Don't expect too much from an account with the name of a container house building company [http://www.kriegercontainers.com/](http://www.kriegercontainers.com/)", "I can build a house in 24 hours without concrete and a 3d printer.... Just have it built off-site in panels or modules, set in place all at once. You can shell in a house in a few hours and have it complete in a day.\n\nIt's not that exciting, buyers just need to demand it - stick built homes are for the birds, being exposed to the elements for upto 120 days while it's being framed, roofed, weathered in etc. I can't tell you how many jobsites I've had to squeegee standing water off plywood sub floors ... If you don't think that doesn't lead to squeeky floors and other problems, boy do I have a whole list of things you should know about if buying a house! \n\nPeople just still associate factory built and modular with trailers, and that's simply not the case!", "Sure. [This is what I build.](https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6857503,-95.3612627,3a,75y,240.17h,85.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQhGuXTSgVm56VjSGKA5rQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)\n\nI'd be very interested in reading the book on the cut outs. I do not cut open sections of walls, but I would love to get a reference guide if I decided to do so in the future.\n\nI do not build tiny homes. It is illegal to make them affordable because the government wants to raise tax revenue. This is not a container issue. Permitting and site development in any city is usually over $50,000.\n\nUse the containers for their structural integrity. Build open spaces around it. Use the walls as your siding. Use closed-cell foam as the air barrier (shocking that videos do not consider this).\n\nThe exact home I linked costs about $165,000 for me to build excluding security (that neighborhood had a murder on the street while we were building). This one was slightly higher because we also had a 19' sewer tap. It is 2,720 sqft. Find me a home at $60/sqft cost and I'd be open to changing what I build. Just to be clear- this is permitting to appliances. Everything included.", "Rebar?", "Modular prefabs are so dope, seeing houses built on an assembly line is so cool. If someone reading this is interested, I'd suggest a factory tour of your local builder -- then drive by an active job site to see it the other way....", "Hey, my cousin is working with a company that's reducing the carbon footprint of concrete by sequestering the carbon into the concrete, which also strengthens it. Last I talked to her she was helping them set up new plants after their test case was successful.", "Link is dead for me.", "Love how she say's in USA homes are built with sticks. lol", "I wanna add in that she is an ENGINEER even if she does not claim this title. She is clearly wisened to the complex art and science of homebuilding and she is absolutely doing a fantastic job of lining up these points and generating important conversation while also axing media hype to which the USA is hilariously vulnerable", "Marry me!", ">They have a machine, but they wont share details of how it works or let other people use it. They don't sell it, they just rent it\n\nWelcome to the age of not being able to own things. I'm really sick of this shit. Fuck subscriptions.\n\n>If you can learn to use a regular 3D printer, you can learn our machine.\n\nNo surprises here as the principal behind is the same but the learning curve for 3D printers is generally underrated. Do I use one? Sure. Did it take me a long time to learn? No. But I have a bachelor's in architecture and I teach how to use technology and best practices in modeling to architects for a living so yeah, I'm kind of the target demographic here, most people aren't.", "My question on these has been reinforcement. Do they have embedded rebar? A lot of the buildings which fall over in Haiti every time they have an earthquake do so because there's no shear strength due to a lack of vertical rebar reinforcement. They're cinderblocks mortared together that just fall apart the second anything goes sideways (literally).\n\nIn every one of these printing videos I've seen (probably all ICON, now that you call them out) it's just individual horizontal layer lines. Sure, you get some verticality out of windows, but the walls themselves are just layer upon layer of concrete. Even if it's fiber reinforced somehow, that doesn't provide a lot of shear strength; it's more about minimizing cracking, no?", "Prefab is just relocating most of the construction elsewhere.", "Yep, colleague here, and housing is and always will be a social problem, political, it's been solved technologically quite some time ago.", "Whether she's right or not, a conspicuously disproportionate amount of this YouTuber's content works to debunk attempts at sustainable innovation. I legitimately wonder why.", "Is it underestimating if it's on purpose and they know they are bullshitting?", "/r/confidentlyincorrect \n\nIt absolutely does disqualify it. If you could use desert sand this wouldn't be a concern. Rounded sand doesn't have the same mechanical properties of beach sand. If you make concrete from desert sand, it won't have useful mechanical properties. The things you make with it will crumble. \n\nWhether the article in question is garbage is up for debate, it was just the first article I found to describe the issue that is well known.", "And doesn't rant about \"SJWs\"", "I mean..... exactly? Yeah, that's kinda the whole point.\n\nNobody is under the impression that Prefab means that things just poof out of thin air. But the fact that construction gets to happen at a centralized, specialized facility rather than taking place 100% on-site is exactly what is so cool about it.", "you can tell she is just reading something she doesn't understand. Its annoying how she has absolutely no personal input to anything, who's propaganda is she trying to spew?", "I would be interested to see if this ever has applications for building on Mars, or in space. Seems like a great way to put up a dome, then you could have people seal the inside with something to make it airtight.\n\nThen again, I don't even know if concrete can be used or made in space...lol", "Laying bricks is original 3D print homes.", "/r/Futurology could use on of these videos for every single thread that makes it to the top.", "I think that 3d-printing tech has a lot of potential, but it's going to be hard to beat mass produced cinder blocks in cost-efficiency. If anything I think that the ultimate solution would be a hybrid of both.\n\nAnd yeah, I don't expect it to \"fix lack of housing\". That's a problem of space that's fixed with zoning policies, not with cheaper constructions. Building costs are already a small percentage of the housing costs in areas with high problems of homelessness.\n\nWhat I do expect is an increase in building quality across the world, better housing in remote or hard to access areas. It wouldn't help with homelessness, but it would help reduce low-income losing money on repairs of cheap/badly made homes. Still the problem here is not the laying of walls, it's the laying of foundation (so digging holes) and the setting of roof that, in my experience, are the problem.\n\nThat said, the tech is still far off from being a normal thing in my view. It could work during certain expensive construction systems, where you can have small buildings built by a machine while the larger ones are handled through traditional methods. E.J. a stadium were a lot of the internal infrastructure (bathrooms, concession stands, etc.) is 3d printed.", "I’m a PhD candidate in the field. Here’s my favorite review article about the state of the art, with a whole section about reinforcement issues and approaches (section 3.2):\n\nhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0008884619303680?casa_token=qaES4vIwVA4AAAAA:ho-qlAab7MSv06B3J-7QdQu92TnsNpJk2jCXgS7VHfzdWXbOmHspS6NnKDjf3ZCcNNIpcY8", "muy interesante diseño", "This woman started popping up in my recommendations the other day. Her video about storage container homes is very informative.", "\"...flooded with...\" first time i've heard of this", "Did you actually watch it? She explicitly addresses it", "Yes, building buildings that are not on the grid yet and will need to be brought on during the course of development. Depending on the power requirements as well some companies will not deal with them as heavy loads from construction can be a drain on the local grid. Usually fine if you are building one house at the end of a block or something, but most larger construction projects have generators for a reason...", "SME? Ah, you must mean [the expert](https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg).", "I'm an architect and one of my ex managers was very excited about this. We had a lot of argument about it. I have always failed to see the true potential in common housing. I just recently finished constructing my home and 4 men finished the brickwork in 5 days (120sqm house). We used large polished bricks with foam glue. The house was growing insanely fast. I still fail to understand how this poured concrete wants to compete with anything.", "> Outsiders from the tech field want to fix it by disrupting and automating the entire industry, without having any knowledge of its intricacies.\n\nYeah this rings true. Tech dudes love to explain the dunning-kruger effect to anyone who will listen, but constantly fall into the same trap. We come to the uncomfortable realization that maybe our narrow specialization isn't the only one that's deep and complex.", "> If you wanted a concrete pour wall a construction crew could probably frame that and have it poured before these things had made half a wall.\n\nInsulated Concrete Forms (ICF) were mentioned in the video when they talked about that foam printer. That's usually referenced when discussing very fast construction techniques. ICF can be used for curves also, but it's a bit more labor intensive or requires special molds.\n\nOne comparison I've seen is against concrete blocks. Like ICF they require labor - measuring and placing according to blueprints - which a 3d printer simplifies. A 3D printer can print conduit channels into the wall. (In some videos people place boards and items into the wall as the layers are put down to create cavities. It's possible for a future printer to print support material that does this). Printers can also vary thickness depending on constraints to minimize material use. (They use less concrete than blocks already). The ability to precisely control infill allows for control where extra strength has to be. Concrete blocks are uniform as they have to fulfill all use cases.\n\nAlso it's important to keep in mind the longevity and maintenance of a building. A concrete constructed home requires less maintenance and can last quite a bit longer than timber frame and some other materials. So the upfront pollution is higher, but the lifetime pollution isn't as obvious. (Or maybe it is? I didn't find a definitive paper).\n\n> Generally the strength of 3D printing, aside from being automated, is creating shapes/structures and layouts that would be extremely difficult to do by hand or via molds.\n\nI'd say anything with curves is where a 3d printer wins. I've watched videos on ICF and timber frame and curves are tricky and somewhat skilled process with a lot of double checking. Most houses don't have them though, so it's not necessarily important. A lot of 3d printed houses though do feature curves in their design to show how trivial it is to incorporate.\n\nThe important thing to realize is how early this technology is. The setup time and various limitations will probably be solved and optimized. The big picture is minimizing labor. As the video points out though you still need people to finish the home with windows, electrical, and other tasks. Though if the 3d printer creates conduit areas in all the walls it might lower the labor required for other professions that would normally spend time drilling holes through timber beams.\n\nI foresee more innovation later as 3d printed concrete advances. Would be nice to see pipe bending used more to create continuous piping with few fittings in a home for example.", "Yes, pack and go. You can't do that with conventional metal framing..well, you can, just not easily. These literally fold up in to like a 4' * 20' * 1 foot or 2 foot thick sandwich -- you could use a small boom crane (like from log truck) to OR it a large enough tree in the area, a block and tackle and pulleys could open it up -- or I suppose you could probably jack it from the middle too??? well regardless it opens up in 10 mins and have either your own prefab panels popped in or factories can build to spec.... Me personally, would never consider that as I don't speak Chinese fluently so expectations and delivery would likely be way apart -- but for just the folding frame? Heck yah!\n\nAlibaba, \"folding container house frame\" and you'll find various vendors now offering them. You can have prefab fold up walls already, or just the frame / roof / floor. The frames I've seen all come galvanized & powder coated - which has to be better than just plain galvanized. The frames are only like $1000 ....cheaper to ship than a whole container.\n\nYou of course don't need to use it as a folding house, once in place you could never move it, and even stick frame build around the container -- but these don't require the corrugation in the walls like regular containers do for strength. The frame itself is the strength, I've seen them in all the regular containers sizes and Of course they'll custom do whatever you want within reason.", "It has a long way to go. I work as an architect and 2 of my 3 projects have pre-fab components and they simply aren't efficient or sustainable enough to be worth it over site-built, in most applications. \n\nBut things are gradually improving... Very slowly..", "I have a customer how DIY built his camp with 3 containers, stacked. After the insulation interior got smaller. He used spray foam for insulation. The builder who came to help think insulation should be outside because steel can cause condensations. So he looks into that and that will cost even more to do and the steel wall inside will suck. \n\nHe learns that cutting metal become more painful he thought, he ends up buying expensive tools, torches, and blade to cut even rented a plasma cutter. The containers use very thick steel. Then fitting windows and doors become a pain to make them look good. End up having to be framed like in a regular house. \n\nA lot of other learning curves like the order of process. \n\nIn the end, the containers become just the siding. He thinks it probably cheaper to just build a regular stick house and add some mental sidings to it. \n\nAlso, each room needs to have its own router.", ">This means that all the walls are more than strong enough to carry a roof or another floor\n\nThat doesn't surprise me at all; concrete is strongest in compression. It's the tensile and shear strength I'd be concerned about.\n\n>and way more resistant to natural disasters\n\nThat I'd want to see some shake table tests on before I was personally willing to buy a printed house in an earthquake prone area. Don't get me wrong, the tech is certainly neat. And I'm 100% on board with non-standard designs. I'm just a few weeks to months away from getting started on a monolithic concrete dome home build, assuming the funding goes through as expected. That's all shotcrete, so it probably has quite a bit in common with the mix you guys use. But it still has a hell of a lot of rebar in it. When they've tried alternative reinforcement methods the domes fall apart.\n\nMaybe you're correct that the materials science can work out such that rebar is unnecessary. But I'd want to see a ton of testing before I'd trust it. Which is probably why so many countries' code require the rebar.\n\nI wish you guys well. New tech is always fun to watch develop.", "As with many new or innovative technologies - the media is not the only issue, in fact I do not consider the media hype to be the worst issue. It is the people and VC types that use the hype to pull government seed money and dupe investors for a pure cash-out strategy.\n\nMANY companies greenwashing today are owned / managed by literal crooks. Solar roadways anyone?", "Musk: I want to build rocket with used russian engines, and reusable tanks and use it as a taxi\n\nEngineers: It will not work\n\nMusk: Why not?\n\nEngineers:.....\\sigh, ok we'll build it. It's hard and difficult, but we'll build it\n\nNASA: WTF!!!!! \n\nMusk: That will be a $1.2 million per ride", "Yeah, like this video demonstrates, just because something is cool* doesn't necessarily mean that it is practical", "boo then no one cares", "You're familiar with the technology, so I'd like to ask you a question.\n\nWould this scale or work with skyscrapers? I'm trying to think of a scenario where it may be less expensive than traditional construction.", "I read that quote as saying there is no good use for the machine, lol.", "Subdivisions have to have utilities in place before they can build any buildings.", "Tesla", "Mikey from Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt", "I saw 'anyone can learn it' and thought, \"Oh, your technical documentation is in translated into Kikuyu, Dholuo, Kamba, and Sheng? How forward thinking\"", "Concrete cracks, period. Rebar keeps the cracked concrete from falling apart. It doesn’t matter what your mix is an unreinforced wall is brittle and a danger.", "Everything about the Boring Company is complete bullshit.", ">Rounded sand doesn't have the same mechanical properties of beach sand. If you make concrete from desert sand, it won't have useful mechanical properties. The things you make with it will crumble.\n\nNo fucking shit. There are solutions to this however. And sand isn't even necessary for concrete anyways, it's just one of the cheapest methods.", "Citation needed.", "This channel has another good video on why using shipping containers to build a home is impractical and not as good for the environment as influencers want you to believe.", "DECADES ago I saw a documentary that showed a company that was building houses by blowing up a giant dome shaped bag, spraying it with cement, laying rebar, spray more cement.\n\nWAY faster than any 3d printed house.", "Stick built is actually a term used for homes built out of 2 x wood framing.", "As someone who considered a shipping container home, I now wanna watch but also don't wanna watch.", "I fully expect YouTube to remove the channel and ban her because this is well sourced and the companies she is exposing will complain and get her kicked off the platform.", "I love her whole channel", "Her first criticism is about how the media is writing about 3D printed homes, and she's talking about the economics of it and blaming media for not getting it right. Then she goes on to explain there are too many variables to fully understand the cost right now and that's going to take time to figure that out.\n\nI think it's way too easy to blame media as being lazy and only looking for clickbait titles.\n\nThe problem is we're talking about half-truths that nobody is going to fully agree on. Really what I imagine that $3,000 - $4,000 fake figure came from is just looking at the total volume of concrete used. Which even $3,000 - $4,000 is an obvious joke because the amount of concrete used in volume would exceed that cost. Let alone smaller charges like electrical equipment, doors, windows, roofing materials.\n\nCompanies building this equipment are going to do everything they can to give away zero details about the actual economics. This isn't because they don't know, but because it's essential that they protect their IP from their competitors. If their competitors know specific details like how the process works, what materials their using, where they're getting their products from, who their suppliers are. Every single detail can be taken from and analyzed against the competitors so they can find the advantage to beat each other.\n\nIt's effectively impossible for journalists to get real answers in the first place when you're talking about disruptive business because the competition is so tight.\n\nYes! There are lazy journalists. We get it! A lot of the time it's simply because they're lazy. Other times, it's because they're not engineers or scientists, or industry leaders with a ton of knowledge in these fields. They're just reporting and talking about complex systems at a superficial level. So if you critically analyze the details of what they're talking about you're going to find flaws and shortcuts, especially if you understand it better yourself than the author.\n\nClaim #2. 3D printers can be printed in 24 hours. I'm not going to watch this part. This is too fucking obvious. We know, there is a lot more than goes into a home than building the walls. That's not the point of 3D printed homes. This is just going to be the same focus on why you don't talk about the construction cost of homes by looking at only the BoM. Duh!\n\nClaim #4. Eliminate all jobs. Again, we're going to hyper-focus on things that are going to be stupid obvious. Like all disruptive technology, jobs are not eliminted, but there will be fewer jobs if the claims pan out to be true. There will be different jobs, there will be some of the same jobs, and there will also be fewer jobs.\n\nClaimed #5. Solve homelessness. No. It wont. Anyone talking about this is talking about if the technology can be disruptive enough it can reduce the cost of homes. Ok. Cool? We know that's not happening anytime soon because everyone here is using their brains. Aspirational or utopian societies are not in anyone's future. You're only going to criticize the disruptors who oversell products to \"make the world a better place\" but nobody actually believes that crap. It's just PR. If the discussion of the video is going to talk about the engineering challenges and the maths of this, don't get caught up on PR talk or lofty journalism that just wants to make people feel better because they're guilty about the homelessness problems in this world.\n\nClaim #6. 3D printing is sustainable. Again, I'm not going to watch this part either. I imagine she's going to talk about the environmental impact on concrete, our overdependence on it, the lack of concrete we physically have available compared to the environmental impact of extracting that material from our planet. Yes technically Earth has the material. The problem is concrete is actually pretty fucking terrible for the environment. It has to be heating to insane temperatures, it has to be mined. This is a topic that I wish she had started with because it may or may not be the answer, but we have to consider a lot more. Timber/Trees can be a much more sustainable source for materials if we plant/grow/harvest it properly. The problem is that's not something that happens overnight. The solution isn't going to be just, \"well we want to make greener buildings. So we'll just order more concrete and not worry about the consequences of what that might mean.\" I'm frustrated with the video because it took so long to get to the topic that I didn't even watch her talk about it. This is just also a regional issue.\n\nI've seen talk about 3D printing plenty of times. I don't ever recall anyone who actually knows what their talking about sell this as the one size fits all solution. In fact, the videos and information I've seen specifically say, \"one size doesn't fit all so we need to have more solutions to fit the market.\"", "> I will also say she is a bit wrong on something. These machines don't require specialists, everyone at our company learns to use the machine, even the salespeople. If you can learn to use a regular 3D printer, you can learn our machine. The hardest part is the material science of concrete, but thats something all concrete building projects have to deal with. Also you absolutely can get smooth walls, just need a proper nozzle. I would say the best use of the machine is in places where its hard to find skilled labor, where its hard to ship prefab walls to, or to make custom architect drawn houses.\n\nHer points about south africa using metal framed walls and what not, are sourced from the direct competition to the 3d printed housing companies. Of course he's gonna poopoo all over it. It's not like they ship the printers in and out of the country constantly.\n\nI still see massive potential for 3d printed homes. The claims that they use a shitton of power is also outlandish. They do not use that much electricity...", "Bingo, its not like the factory is a new thing. It's kind of what revolutionized the modern world, so it makes sense to use the factory model in areas where you don't usually have the opportunity.", ">If you're using one of these you likely have electricity hooked up where you're at lol.\n\nIsn't that kind of a Catch-22 situation? According to the OP, you're using the printer because:\n\n1. You don't have qualified labor to build it the old fashioned way.\n2. You don't have good transportation, so you can't ship in pre-built stuff.\n3. You don't have a local architect, so you can't get a custom designed house.\n\nWhat kind of place on earth is lacking these things, but still has a reliable power supply? I'd think it was the exact opposite, that if you have such a power supply, you probably have labor and transportation too. And if you had to transport in a huge generator and fuel to power the machine, why don't you have transportation for pre-fab parts?\n\nPower is crucial in stuff like this. These printers use 440 volts, which is hard to find even in relatively developed areas. Not even talking about somewhere remote. And it better be reliable, because if the power fails during the printing process, the cement in your printer is going to turn rock solid and you'll probably trash a very expensive machine.", "Used to work standard construction and watching some of the houses being built around me with prefab parts like certain walls come premade is just painful. Watching the crews shove them in the spots they belong and try and build around is just bad. Most houses are taking 3 weeks for the framing. We used to start with a bare slab on monday and when we left on friday the house was ready for framing inspections.", "Does it not take special structural engineering? The material is gonna work a lot different than mono pour right?", "It hurts how real this is.", "How about 3D printed Solar Freakin Roadways!", "r/RealTesla", "Keep in mind, even if the actual shell is completed in 24 hours, you’re looking at months for windows/doors/power/water/sewage/etc. to be installed.\n\nYou would absolutely not* want to sleep in one of these when freshly printed.", "Of course, I can do anything. I'm an expert!", "Well the concrete printer doesn't require oxygen or food so if it can also gather and process the raw materials it could be great for space colonies...", "Hi! Can you just let me know if this is the future of construction by your oppinion?", "I know more about construction in europe but they can come in preinsulated, with windows and sometimes trim and all you have to do is route the cables in predrilled holes. American housing constuction and building quality feels so far behind western europe it is crazy", "Yes, I think the only advantage of 3d concreting is being able to do precise custom shapes more easily than using poured concrete in forms.", "So, a PhD candidate huh? How come they can send a man to the moon but can't make my shoes smell good?", "This is (ideally) why Product Managers exist.", "Licensed PE here. How are you guys handling code requirements for earthquake zones? Are structures printed even able to meet those requirements?", "Are you suggesting ICON is the inkjet printer of 3D concrete printing where the machine is a loss leader and the money is made in the mix?\n\nJust because your machines don't use a mix containing trade secrets doesn't mean everyone has to follow that model. There is no control over how someone outside their organization enforces proper QA / QC.", "A house can be built in a day without 3D Printing too! It's not very practical, costs shit tons of money, and requires a lot of collaboration, but it can be done.", "Unreinforced concrete walls are completely subject to damage from seismic events and settling.", "Soooo how do they get around the wiring and plumming", "Its basically a mobile home, but with brutalism instead.\n\nThink \"trailer park of the future\"", "Lol, I'm amused that the person you replied probably had the middle of Africa or Siberia or somewhere else in mind that would be remote enough to not have a reliable power grid, but that you infact got tripped up by the US power grid.", "Musk: I want to go space, but like cheaply\n\nEngineers: Space is expensive, everything is like custom built and like its really hard to get to space.\n\nMusk: Well mass produce everything then to bring the cost down\n\nEngineer: No one mass produces rockets, SLS is like a single rocket and it cost over a $Billion.\n\nMusk: I don't care, make me 1,000 engines, and if you blow up the first dozen no biggie.\n\nEngineer: Wait what?! 1,000? You want us to blow up rockets?\n\nMusk: It'll be a good field test, oh and yeah, let's make them out of water towers.\n\nEngineer: Fuck it, lets do this", "You can also get bathroom and kitchen modules that are pre-finished with all their units.", "What a coincidence just yesterday a stumbled on her video debunking shipping container houses and buildings.", "> this girl lays people OUT\n\nI heard she can make a house out of people in less than 24h!", "I speak two different languages. Maybe you should stop jumping to conclusions.", "That's what I've noticed with these houses. Single continuous wall in a non-flexible format? Not just earthquakes but, the house settling into the ground over time is enough to cause catastrophic failure. I do imagine they will compartmentalize these and add expansion joints as a standard but these first gen printed homes could be in real bad shape. EDIT: I will say that I am still excited to see how architects and structural engineers will implement this technology 20-30 years from now.", "Sounds like his math is a bit off. I jest", "Works pretty good in industry. Most industrial plants are constructed in a modular way where I am. Piles are driven and foundations laid then they ship the large pieces from the mod yard from however many hundreds of km's away and put the pieces together on site.", "Also from Europe, looked into buying a prefab / modular home in Portugal's countryside but the biggest hurdle was getting a bank to finance and insure it. As some structures are just bolted to the foundation they are considered to be non-fixed and carry a premium over traditional housing.\n\nThey are indeed very well built but these also don't come cheap so traditional construction ends up being more favored, which is a shame as modular homes can have a far lower environmental footprint.", "This will be perfect in California. The land costs $1.5 million. But think of the $50k you save on the house!", "What isn't true? Citations would be helpful", "Wuhan built a hospital in 10 days during early COVID. Sure it wasn't up to par with your average hospital but it was far above the standards of a field hospital.", "To tack on questions, I'm curious about the MPa requirements of said concrete, how the costs compare to ICF since labour isn't high on ICF and the insulation is already there with no more need than hand tools to put together. I'm also curious on it handling high lateral loads like basements where the back fill puts a lot of pressure on one side", "I'm curious about this. What sort of MPa are you aiming for with such machines? Is it fiber reinforced? Is there risk of cold joints? How does overall cost compare to ICF with its high material cost but also low structure building cost", "This guy thinks two by fours grow with rounded edges ready to go in the forest", "My thesis on that subject: wash yo damn feet. Doctorate please.", "Lol, thanks for the chuckle. I looked through your post history.", "I agree about the ICON comments. We are building a Glamping/camping location and would LOVE to do like a \"hobbit house\" type building, and 3-d printing would be perfect for this.\n\nWe don't even have any building codes in this county, so they wouldn't even need to get it permitted!\n\nI contacted them and explained our vision, and basically said \"however, you can build whatever you want as long as it's around 600sqft. We would pay, even. Gave them total creative control and they had no interest at all. \n\nSo hey, if your company wants to build a few small glamping units on our property, we are open to a collaboration! Message me if there's interest at all!", ">You really can't compare those two\n\nI just did.", "Yeah, It's a pretty sweet gig. I love it.", "Ah, nobody's blamin' you.", "For sure, steel prefab warehouses and stuff are a lot simpler. I like those", "This is why applications engineers exist in my company. If a salesperson sold a technically risky job without getting approval from apps they would be raked over the coals.", "cement with no rebar support is pretty weak", "Yeah I actually I was a little involved in a 3d printed house last year and basically all it could do was lay down those vertical walls, that's it. Everything else was wood/steel etc. \n\nEssentially, right now, it's a very fancy way to lay down conc. with a few extra abilities (easier curved walls etc). 3D printing houses isn't anything like what it sounds like in name.", "This sketch hurts me to my soul", "Would that be someone who builds the closet he comes out of?", "Feel like so many people take an all or nothing approach to just... Everything, these days.\n\nOh you made a concrete printing machine? Well it can't work in my underwater laboratory so it's fucking worthless LOL.\n\nOh you want to implement new laws? Well it won't stop every criminal in the world so why even bother LMAO.\n\nOh you want to reduce your carbon footprint? Well there are still worse polluters out there so you might as well huff some CO2 xD.\n\nPeople need to chill and realise that nothing solves everything, and having a niche to work within is just fine (and marketing teams need to actually advertise that shit as such)", "They’re nice to make easy shops out of, always felt impractical for housing", "OK I like this video, she's taken a realistic approach and not just selling it. \n\nBut one question, what about rebar? You need metal rebar inside of poured concrete to give the concrete some flexibility, otherwise when there's an earthquake or some other similar event or you have a Haiti situation where all the houses fall down on people.", "So I've been 3d printing for a business for a couple years now, and houses are way out of my league but this video is hiding a lot of understood knowledge from a 3d printer operator perspective and also trying to pull wool over peoples eyes about labour costs.\n\nThe labour thing firstly, the video is suggesting it's cheaper to manually stack and seal blocks in a large construction effort compared to making the same frame automated dozens of times. Unless your paying slave wages its not going to be. Example, your building the same house 20 times. Your going to pay for designing and ensuring the gcode of the machine once. You will pay probably 3 to maybe 9 operators in probably shifts to maintain and run the printer and you'll have one foundation completed in a few hours. Or we can hire 10 people who will demand equivalent to twice the wages per hour of those running the machine, to take practically an entire day to stack blocks to make a foundation and structure. If it was 20 unique houses, then yes manual labour will probably be better.\n\nSecondly, anyone who works with a 3d printer understands and recognizes the idea and extra work of post processing your prints. For a house this could be mudding the walls, inserting insulation between the gaps, finishing the roof. Etc. All these printers are doing is mass producing the same structure from the same code multiple times with the design and understanding that yes, you will need to post process your result. Hell, after you lay cinderblocks as a foundation would you not consider post processing in the same way?\n\n\nLastly, this video shits on automation which is coming whether anyone likes it or not. We didn't invent a sewing machine to put manual sewers out of work. We did it to help speed up the process in what we now consider a form of automation.", "People spend 2 days printing mandalorian helmets to ensure quality layer adhesion so what did you expect?", "Yep, [at 21 seconds.](https://youtu.be/sz1LM9kwRLY?t=21)", "This is true in so many fields. It's called the [Pareto principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle)", "You know the answer to that.", "She's a structural and industrial engineer. This is her field.\n\nThe breakdown she goes for is actually simpler than any of that: she points out that news publications quoted a cost, and the actual companies doing it have said that those costs were not accurate and were not actually attainable.", "The Pareto principle is cool, but I don't think it really applies here.", "I agree with her on a lot, but shes overlooking 1 thing. Concrete was seen in exactly the same what as she views it at this point in time, just like battery power cars or mobile phones. Its a good idea, It's just not universal enough right now. \nAnd as for her views on container homes, well, right now she right because of the cost of a container home, witch applies to her mechan-home. The price of steel has risen as has the price of a 40ft container, from $2500 to $6000+. Now its not affordable, built all materials have risen and its whats affordable to the area, not her blinkered view. Agree with alot, but shes not showing and alternative thats better.", "Product Manager != Project Manager\n\nProduct managers are responsible for the product itself. They are a far more valuable alternative to the project managers you speak of.", "does those machine work? or is this like a Theranos scam?", "Concrete emissions come from the cement in the concrete and the chemical mechanism for hardening. It's not offsetting the carbon cost.", "Part of the pollution problem with concrete is also the aggregates. Sand and gravel are sourced from somewhere and it sometimes damages ecosystems and water tables.\n\nThere are a lot of gravel pits in my region partly because of demand for concrete aggregates.", "The sky... is *blue!", "No this is revolutionary technology! Laws of physics don’t apply, so why would laws of man?", "a tent can go up in 5 minutes and is portable.", "For sure! Honestly, the broad-reaching environmental considerations of a product are fascinating. The potential for GHG offsets that I was speculating on is that using residual solids as part of the aggregate mix reduces how much you need to quarry. The process of digesting residual solids and burning the gasses converts methane to CO2, which is also a non-intuitive net-positive.\n\nSo it's kinda like reducing emissions up the chain, which is partly possible because of demand for concrete filler materials.", "so buy PUTs?", "Belinda is amazing.", ">Also, each room needs to have its own router.\n\nThat's hilarious, I can imagine him discovering this mid-project and dying a little inside.", "You should watch the video. This is actually something she discusses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit- Apparently you did watch the video, but missed the part where she discussed trying to apply this idea in rural Africa. Or you're simply scaling down the level of rural and applying it to rural NA, I don't know.", "I was thinking more in the \"credits\" sense. The residual solids that are digested to make this filler would normally release methane. In the digester plant, the methane is burned to produce electricity and release CO2, which is better than releasing the methane and* gives you some electricity! So it's just kind of better up the chain from the end product, is what I was thinking.", "I must have missed it, I just heard about emissions from transporting it. I think while concrete heats up and dries it emits co2 as well.", "That crazy lady https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/the-inventor-out-for-blood-in-silicon-valley\n\nDid the same. Lies, lies, lies.", "Shipping container projects are good if you already have the shipping container, and just need to make a sort of temporary structure for non-residential purposes.\n\nThe idea that you'd buy them specifically to make a house never made any sense to me.", "These are all points touched on in the video. Her answer is no and she lists reasons why.", "Her whole channel is gold, don't miss the shipping container video: \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7yEDz6bCfU", "Understanding 20% of the situations ithe Pareto principle applies to lets you misuse it 80% of the time.", "How long after releasing a new product in a growing industry, should a company have before the sharks start circling from other companies who will waste no time swooping in to steal their IP? Does an inventor deserve the lion's share of coming up with an idea or technology or does the company who steals the idea and popularizes it, deserve the biggest chunk of the marketshare?", "Why does everyone say something about this solving homelessness when the real issue is laws and NIMBY ism.\n\n\nI honestly just want more curves", "I think the hype about this, is really driven by the tons of late millennials and zoomers out there who are absolutely going fucking insane in an apartment trying to find a house that isn't 400k and wasnt built in 1935 for 140k. \n\n\nThere is an insane lack of smaller homes out there that will be fit to sell again in 25 years, all the developments are shiny McMansions or have so much weird outside decorative facing on them it prices out anyone making less than 70k a year. \n\n\nAny time one of us sees \"this might lower the cost of a new home\" we fucking go apeshit and smash the share button.", "That whole point about creating clickbait and misleading the public is fair but stating manually stacking and sealing blocks is cheaper. That's not quite accurate. Like I mentioned, if its 20 unique structures she is very right in stating that, but setting up one of these printers on contract to do the shit pouring work of 20 of the same houses and prep time for that as well compared to having manual labourers give each other the run around, well each house would probably still take a day, but your not paying 10 people to break their bodies. I think shes not exactly painting the most economic picture that developers would want to follow anyways. Automation is always better if your achieving the same results with less manpower, that's what automation is all about. \n\nA lot of the speed of printing does come down to travel speed ability of the head and viscosity of material, regular concrete may not be there but it is very possible albeit more expensive parts and pending we can get materials that are at the right viscosity we desire to print faster. The original 3d printers were home brewed. Manually coded for each print (literally, programming it to extrude at z height starting at x position and traveling so many units y position. Excruciating compared to slicer software of today), generally were really slow and didnt exactly give exceptional results in printing. The machines were run on serial bus, with homebrew drivers, etc. And look how far we've gotten?\n\nIf you really want to shit your pants in expectations, look up the hevort 3d printer. The gantry under the right circumstances can travel almost a full meter a second while the quality suffers, it depends on the materials used. Originally in 3d printing as far as I understand, ABS plastic was the first to be used. Now we look at ABS in printing as obsolete in contrast to what you can print in. Automation sparks ideas, and its creates ingenuity, better results in time of understanding the new leg up.\n\n3d printed houses may suck to a degree now, but dismissing them other then the spin the media has given them as a material/civil engineer is like saying bridges will never catch on, just need to make better ferries.", "I think it would be hard to extrude concrete well below freezing in a vaccum that will boil the water out of the concrete on a planet with a water shortage so severe it may have never accumulated the carbonate rock deposits that we roast to make cement. Martians will live underground to protect from radiation anyway.", "This is true with art. The devil is in the details.", "It's like the old saying: \nTwenty percent Pareto, eighty percent Parmigiano.", "https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg", "That is climate controlled and has access to heavy machinery and novel adhesives.", "Dude get you ears checked.... You should be able to understand that fine. Her English while not spectacular was perfectly understandable, like 100% easy to understand.\n\nI'm serious... I think you have hearing damage, I'm not being flippant or making a joke. You have something wrong with your ears, get them checked.", "construction gay > international basketball man", "I have him tagged as Construction Gay, no going back now", "[construction gay](https://i.imgur.com/OP1UQcd.jpg)", "Probably fiber reinforced. It doesn't provide the same structural scale reinforcement that rebar does but it's better in some ways as well.", "I'm so glad someone is tackling the world ending issue of... checks notes... poor reporting on 3D printed houses that don't really exist yet beyond tech demos and no one actually cares about.", "Just make them out of a synthetic material best for the environment it’s being made in or earth ship style. I saw a mini version of something like this at Appalachian State University and it was superior in the lord machine as a foundation impervious to subterranean termite pesticides most homes have completed when a new home is built.", "Why? (About) 20% of the job will need 80% of the time to complete.", "The Youtube algorithm has been really liking Belinda Carr lately. I watch a lot of technical videos and have been seeing her all over my suggestions for the last month or so. Every one has been great so far.", "That’s why i don’t finish any of my DIY remodeling. By the time it’s done I’ll have to start all over again.", "Gonna second the citation request. Tesla doesn't need to pay people to big up them on social media. Lots of people will do that entirely on their own, as seen for many years.", "Yes, I've always held that if 3d printed houses were the current norm, then the invention of block and prefab construction would be seen as a revolution. \n\"You mean we can just ship these blocks anywhere and basically any mason can just stack them with minimal use of concrete? And they're really insulating, and don't crack, and don't output CO2 and...?\"", "The vast vast vast majority of the $$$ building a house is fitting it out. Toilets. Plumbing. Wiring. Counters. Floors. Insulation. Showers. Tile. That shit adds up faaaaaast. Anyone can build a frame of a shed for $4k lmfao get the fuck out of here.", "In the UK a lot of post war houses were built essentially using moulds in which rebar was placed and concrete poured in, most have lasted really well, I happen to live in one myself. There were some that suffered 'concrete cancer' due to poor material used when they tried using mining waste in the concrete mix, but overall most are very solid structurally sound buildings.\n\n I'm not sure why they're trying to reinvent the wheel when there are cheap proven methods that already exist (Laing Easiform Type 2 if interested in the process).", "Oh God, I'd wiped this from my memory. I still can't believe the amount of people I know who were duped into thinking solar roadways were a good idea. Ten seconds of thought should lead you to the conclusion that the idea would be CRAZY expensive, completely unsustainable, and totally inefficient. Why erect solar panels on the tops of buildings, or in empty areas, when instead you can place them in an environment where they would be guaranteed to generate less power during daylight hours (i.e. during rush hour/traffic jams in the morning and evening), and constantly exposed to extreme wear and tear that would damage them and necessitate constant and expensive repairs?", "If the chunk of house has the majority if the difficulties in regards to the construction then yea it works.", "What issues are there that cause other systems to be slower than the system you can rent?", "Oh I adore belinda carr!! So cool to see her video pop up on reddit. Her stuff on home construction fads is always really informative and well balanced.", "First the shipping container houses and now this. Can I have any of my millennial dreams?!?", "Great video just watched it yesterday.", "I believe she's a traditionally educated architect (she has her masters, but I can't remember what she said it's in).\n\nHer channel has sort of blown up recently. The rock wool / fiberglass video got her some industry heat too. Not a bad way to go viral. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lGiSdN4cfk", "Right? Sorry to everyone else but I just don't want to spread info that I don't personally know is true. I trust the source but surely it's just their side of the situation.", "Yes, exactly this.\n\nA couple years ago, Tesla had a really big crunch quarter coming to a close, and a lot of deliveries. The word went out via various Tesla owner groups that volunteers at delivery centers would be welcome. Many of us in our area spent a day over the weekend helping new owners understand all the ins and outs of their new cars, which gave Tesla staff more time to focus on the raw paperwork work that only they could do.\n\nWho on earth gives up a Saturday to go volunteer at a car dealer??!? Tesla owners, that’s who.\n\nSo no, it’s doubtful Tesla has some massive stealth marketing budget.", "All of marketing is built on a foundation of bullshit.", "r/RealTesla here go nuts, I don't waste time with stans. You can argue to your heart's content about your techbro MLM scheme there.\n\nEDIT: you stans are pathetic. did you post this to a discord?", "Hot stuff coming through!", "Imagine if when you bought a car a team of craftsman came out to your garage, poured the molten steel into molds, welded the car's frame together, stitched the seat covers, and otherwise assembled the car in your garage.", "Thanks for the great insight.", "That would make sense. Honestly, the line for me between architecture and engineering is hilariously blurry, because quite honestly architects often (intentionally or otherwise) make decisions that frequently fall into different fields of engineering. Her knowledge of the topic matter elevates her from someone who knows postmodern architecture versus modern to someone who has seemingly impressive knowledge about optimal choices regarding building design, execution, and 'reception' (reception -> how will people like the look of it, will it function as needed, etc)", "> best in the industry and be mass produced\n\nBetamax has entered the chat.", "Nice question! If you think this is obvious, you wanna know what is more obvious? That clearly most people don't know this and that eloquent STEM voices are needed to combat the amazing volume of disinformation available on social media😂😂😂\n\nEdit: but it is okay to not know that the things you know or claim to know are common knowledge. A bit cringe to think all the joes and janes out there would know this stuff tho", "The above poster said 90% / 10% so it doesn’t fit to begin with.", "Back in the day I worked at a biotech startup. One of the things I did was try to find protein targets that would work well for our very new and unique drug platform. We were looking to \"target the untargetable.\" At one point we hired this consultant who had formerly been in big pharma to select a list of targets for us to go after. She produced a list of like 20 targets and then that got handed off to me to go about seeing if any of them would work. Basically all of the targets were ones that had previous big pharma work into them but small molecules had failed to produce any drugs. So they were very high-value, validated targets. Billion dollar drug targets.\n\nThe problem was that one of them actually fit what our platform was capable of. Yes, we could target things that small molecules couldn't, but we had a VERY narrow window of protein structures that it would work with. \n\nSo I was like \"None of these are going to work\" and I got blamed for not being creative enough? I'm like \"You all fucking know how our technology works, it should be obvious to everybody in this room why these won't work. Trying really hard isn't going to change that.\"\n\nBut apparently it was just an attitude problem that prevented our billions of dollars from rolling in. \n\nI left, and they never designed a single drug against any of those targets. \n\nThe only target they were successful with, which is now in Phase 2 clinical trials, is one that I had championed and did the original modeling work on.", "It should go without saying that given her video, the premise is SO EXCITING!!!! \n\nBut in reality, the current homes being made with this process are not effectively executed (which should be unsurprising to stem folk since works using new science/engineering are usually hard AF to bring to successful fruition).", "Cmonnnnn. Just say it.", "I have a question. Doesn't the concrete need any rebarb? For the stability of the walls?", "I've worked with a couple sales people that I wouldn't trust to operate a pencil.", "So can you tell me, as an expert in gargling Elon Musk's balls, what do they taste like?", "I have not heard a single one of these “myths” that are being busted. In fact, most of them I knew were specifically false. \n\nIn fact, I watched that video from Icon in Austin Texas. The CEO covered the basics and openly discussed the limitations.", "The cars just keep them clean right?", "The algorithm! I also had her recently pop up on my feed as well.", "You volunteered to help a publicly traded, for profit company that was too cheap to hire a support staff? Are you kidding me?", "That's hilarious, he's just a straight tool bag in every post.", "I read about this construction technique a couple of years ago for a class. It was proposed as a possible solution to building permanent structures on the moon or mars using in situ resources. I thought that was neat application.", "Same, looking into insulation alternatives and her channel was far and away the most helpful at breaking it all down. Really wish we could get hemp insulation more places, cause that's what we want but the shipping kills it.", "Can I get a tl;dw?", "that was the reason I got called there. Rooms have signals but are very weak. He also didn't run any CAT5 thinking wireless should be fine. I installed a few repeaters they didn't want to see any wires. I'm still not happy with how it came out. \n.", "You can already do that with prefab homes. It's not the future, it's old ideas masquerading in new tech.", "If you have a foundation, you & get all the materials on site and right worker's you could frame a 2000sqft house in a day - stick built.", "That's what the word means. Pre = before, fabrication = built. Built beforehand.", "Yes.\n\nHundreds of us did. Maybe even thousands.\n\nAll over the world.\n\nhttps://www.teslarati.com/tesla-community-volunteers-insights-elon-musk-q2-2019/\n\nWould I do it again today? Probably not. But 3 years ago when every investor rag was saying they were doomed to fail … some of us took it a little personally. Having owned the cars and not found any credibility in what the financial trade press was reporting every single quarter about how [Tesla was just minutes away from bankruptcy](https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1377857736537374721?s=21) … it was somewhat enjoyable to stick it to the financial press. \n\nOh, and sticking it to the massive short sellers who got caught in a multibillion short squeeze of the century over the past 12-18 months - that was fun too.", "Terrible technology that only benefits the developers pocket and no one elses. Let's kill one of the last large labor pools in the us while harming the environment more with the increased production of concrete with the added benefit making ugly homes", "Congratulations.\n\nThat doesn't invalidate what I said.", "It fits it perfectly. A small amount of the total tasks (10%) takes up most of the time / labor (90%). The whole point of the principle is to find the significant few.", "I'm not trying to back this shit up, but I'd assume that industrial cement printers aren't a direct comparison to home printers.", "Other people insult me and I'm the \"tool bag\"?\n\nK.", "Yep, that happened to me a couple years ago. A company wanted a product to turn design files into working web pages. When my boss told me what they wanted I told him, it won't work. That's been tried 1000 times before and there's severe limitations one that. It'll work for a static website, but almost any interactivity and it falls apart and here are the reasons why. \n\nThe client was adamant, my boss was adamant so I came up with a scheme using components and strict naming conventions to build something which honestly went pretty above and beyond what could have been expected. In the end though we still ran into the exact limitations I outlined from the get go and they were not happy with the very necessary naming conventions needed to let the compiler know what was what and no one was happy. \n\nIt's weird how companies pay people to know about these things and then ignore those people when they tell them something they don't want to hear. If the suits already know everything why bother with us grunts at all.", "I live in the RV/MH capitol of the world: Elkhart County, Indiana. \n\nOne of the major pluses of a modular, or manufactured home, that is a key drawback of onsite stick and brick housing: The weather. Built in a large facility, there is not fight against rain or snow to get the building built. \n\nStill there will always be the need for on site work. First is the foundation. While poured concrete is used, there are two types: The flat \"Pad\" and the basement. Either one is good, but the basement gives additional square footage for the home to be used for things like Furnaces, laundry appliances, additional food storage like a freezer or two, room for an additional bathroom and or bedroom, and a secure spot incase of a tornado. (real important here in the mid-west)\n\nNext you have the utilities, just like you would need for a normal stick and brick home. Water and sewage lines run and readied for final hook up. Likewise, electrical power. you now have an advantage as you aren't trying to build/finish a building working around all of these various people. Once the site is ready, then the Modular home can be brought in and set in place. My son-in-law use to work on a set up crew. Units arrive (two or more, depending on the model) and are put into place, lined up and connected, including any support pillars for the flooring. Once that's done, the plumbers and and electricians can hook up the lines to the modular home. While they're doing that, the finishing crew is outside putting the siding on the ends of the building and a crew on the inside is making it look \"seamless\" by putting dry wall mud on the seam between sections as needed.", "> A small amount of the total tasks (10%) takes up most of the time / labor (90%)\n\nI dont want to be pedantic, but thats still not 80/20", "I like the video and learned a lot. I bet you could do a media sensation spin on lots of stories, and it's a good thing that people are doing this.", "I’d approve that thesis", "Fair enough. It actually absorbs CO2 as it cures, as it reacts with calcium phases to form calcium carbonate. It’s just much less than is emitted making the cement up front.\n\nHere’s a journal article about it (from one of the most respected science and engineering journals). It’s paywalled, but the abstract addresses what we’re talking about:\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2840", "10% of it applies 90% of the time tho", "prefab literally means pre fabricated so, yes.", "This is how I felt until I watched her video trashing wind and solar for not being perfectly green.", ">I ran into her channel earlier today\n\nMe too, a couple days ago. I watched one about shipping container houses and I've been seeing this 3D printed concrete one recommended to me a ton. Is this just the algorithm going a little crazy for a specific channel? Is there some advertising/paid placement going on?", "So asking for a citation makes me a \"Tesla Stan\"? And you linked me to the ultimate Tesla hater subreddit... that's not a citation.", "Not a problem. They teamed up with Ikea to write the instruction manual.", "If anyone is interested in 3D printing the world map that's in the background, here you go.\n\nhttps://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2427967", "Goes to show just how true it is that Tesla doesn't need to pay anyone to get social media coverage. Their cars are outstanding, and that engenders increcredible loyalty. Call it misplaced if you like, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.", "Interesting, thank you", "Yup this is exactly right. I work for a prefab company and it’s really just the convenience of not having a house being built next door to you and I get to go to the same place everyday for work. We can also just jump from project to project which for me as a finish carpenter means I always have something to do.", "lol go away. shoo. it's very easy to look up, and you'd have some stupid reason why it's not PR or marketing so you do you. I can see your post history. I know you're a stan.", "While the printed thing is newer the Chinese have had modular construction for a while. Its so easy they've been building cities nobody even lives in. I think they've been dubbed \"ghost cities\".\n\nBasically you fabricate all the pieces of the building off site, and then finish the assembly at the location. So you aren't actually \"building\" anything with a bunch of resources. You're just assembling finished pieces. If I told you their construction times for large buildings you probably wouldn't even believe me so just do some googling.", "Bubble houses! Let's just say they're interesting, but have some problems: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/bubble-houses/", "I kind of get it. If they don't embolden their claims and bullshit they probably won't get as much investment required to move this shit to the next stage. Attachments/separate robotic systems to plumb, spark, finish surfaces, lay floors, fit windows are not exactly hard to imagine if you've seen inside a car factory. The only difference is the robots move around the houses rather than the cars moving around the robots, it's not a big leap really. There aren't really any unknowns and the economies of scale will be insane. I don't think people have even realized the consequences of getting this right yet... the attractiveness of it on a global scale.\n\nI'll tell you what will happen, the proposition of cheap housing that is achievable on a mass scale will be more attractive than bombs and bullets and get leaders reelected every time. Forget electric cars, whoever gets this right wins the world.", "You may be able to address this question. I saw in a similar thread people discussing the use of rebar in concrete to give it stability. Why doesn't 3d printing concrete require rebar?", "It starts with marketing dept: HERES A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT DOESNT EXIST! \nSales: WE CAN TOTALLY SELL THE SHIT OUTTA THAT\nEngineering: wait wut?\nSales: too late I already told one customer that we are moving forward on this design. I have a feeling this is the next big thing.\nEngineering: ok here you go, expensive hardware, meticulous tolerances to make this work, 3rd party processes…\nSales: yeah customer says that is too expensive. No go.", "Add some Blockchain and AI and we're in business", "What does \"LIES\" stand for?", "What exactly would one \"look up\" to prove that Tesla is secretly paying people to post about them on social media? I'm legitimately curious how one would do that.", "Theoretically if the rest of the structure above is heavy enough to keep the whole wall in compression during the design quake, it might be ok. Maybe that's why these 3D printed walls are always so thick.", "r/RealTesla go ask there. I never said secretly. You can't read.", "The problem is she knows not much about these subjects either seemingly. I'm someone who had a bachelor in construction, a master in finance.\n\n1) 3d printing can be cheaper as it takes the labour factor specifically for buildings constructed in concrete. It doesn't really matter if you build in wood or bricks or concrete, roughly 50% of all the cost goes in labour. Ie for every dollar spend on wood, you will spend a dollar on labour, same goes for bricks etc. So if you can save on labour it will mean costs will come down significantly. But by no means to 4k or whatsoever. Her reasoning that costs are offset for electricity/equipment etc, this is the case for any form of construction. If you lay bricks you still need power (but less), you still need to either buy or rent equipment, scaffolds etc. The cost of the specialist will be an interesting one, but again for a small build you still got a team of workers, these machines early on will require specialists to supervise, over time not. In the end they are not that complicated, just big.\n\n2) Regarding speed, well speed is everything in construction. We went from 9 months building periods to now 1 week ready to hand over the key. Because again, labour is expensive. So being able to print the walls in 24 hours is a big deal. It doesn't matter they had 4 printers, this is like arguing how a building site got 4 cranes or 4 labourers, who cares.\n\n3) Her variables are non variables. Yes they are there, but that doesn't mean that 3d printing will displace jobs. But again construction will applaud that if we can speed up matters. Her second comment on reinforcement etc, as you can actually see in some projects they 3d print the reinforcement. But (shows again her lack of knowledge) cement isn't just cement, it can contain additives, it can contain for example fibers for reinforcement. We already 3d print complex spans because by hand they are impossible to cast. The smoothening of surfaces, well this is standard for interiors. All houses are plastered. The exterior being plastered isn't uncommon either.\n\n4) 3d printing will be big over time, we are short on labour so while she might be right in developing nations this won't help for various reasons (Some are faulty) in developed nations again if we can print day and night that's very big. It means huge savings in labour and speed. Bare in mind every week I have a construction site, it costs me money just for having it, i need to pay rent for fences, temporary structures, scaffolds etc. \n\n5) 3d printing will be sustainable. period. But not because of 3d printing but because cement plants which are the ones that create the CO2 pollution she mentions will go neutral in the West. (This is kind of tricky her source isn't really clear if these are global numbers, if that's the case by far the majority of CO2 output is in China in construction that won't go down anytime soon).\n\nAs said, it shows she isn't someone with either construction nor finance understanding. This will be big but 3d printing will take a long time. The big gain as said is speed and the reduction in expensive and hard to get labour. The problem is construction is notoriously traditional as the risk is massive. Specifically for concrete structures guarantee periods can be up to 50 years. So if there are any issues in the 3d printing process, companies that deploy this will go bankrupt. 3d printing is also already applied for complex structures that can't be done by hand, and that's where in the near future we will see a lot more. Actually printing buildings/houses isn't going to happen soon in volume. Heck construction companies are actually setting up factories where they can build off site thousands of houses in a protected environment and just ship those off as a lego set. Hence why we can be so fast if we want to.", "Wood framing is also lighter (less settlement, less foundation cracking), better in seismic loading (for smaller buildings), fairly fast, fairly cheap, and is renewable.", "I already know that place is a hive of Tesla haters who will say absolutely baseless negative things about Tesla at every opportunity. Kindof like what you've been doing in this thread, plus insulting me. \n\nIf that's your only advice, it's laughably bad, and makes me even more sure that your claim about paid shills is totally baseless.", "That sounds concerning actually.", "r/RealTesla are haters like not collecting stamps is a hobby. They're just not morons and don't suffer fools. I don't either. go away. Elon's throwing DJ parties in driving schools across the world for you to sit and pretend there's no money in marketing Teslas on or off social media. You can go suck his dick online like Omar Qazi and get paraded around the world for the good job you did. \n\nWait... are you him? You talk about Tesla an awful lot.", "I'll begrudgingly give it an upvote. I definitely agree with the POINT of this, but I think a bunch of it got a bit too far off topic and muddled. Absolutely there are fair points about these NOT being the homes for the homeless, silicon valley waltzing in without understanding, etc, but the vid kept running out of steam for me on parts like treating homelessness with \"humility\" instead of making the more solid argument about this not being the solution. \n\nI just thought several of the arguments seemed to pre-empt themselves and get jumbled.\n\nBut at least now I have someone easier to point to that the sales pitch on these are gimicks and scams rather than exhaustively explaining these things.", "Yeah I'm done talking to a douchbag who puts words in my mouth and assumes I'm doing anything but stating obvious facts about what actual Tesla fans actually do. And pretending that that sub isn't full of baseless haters is hilarious.", ":( oh no don't do what i want gimme a good lashin. Am I ruining walking awkward nerd power fantasy elon musk for you?", ">That the people spouting this crap are even called journalists at all is a real issue. It's stupid news \"blogs\" and bullshit clickbait pieces. Really wish something could be done about it, but it continues because it works.\n\nWow with that opinion you must be some kind of Donald Trump supporting fascist nazi", "If you think it's painful watching construction crews try to push prefabbed sections of houses together, wait until you have to watch them actually try to build the thing from scratch.", "Oh it's also real in construction too.\nBut things like it would take 8 guys to finish a project that the client wants in 2 days but we don't want to lose too much profit soo 2 guys should do...", "If you're debunking lies, doesn't that mean the lies are bunk?", "i'm out of the loop, could you elaborate? As far as I know they're making tunnels, but that's all I 'know'", "I don't know a lot about building houses but it always seems the very end of it takes forever so I'm glad I'm not crazy for noticing.", "🎵 everybody dance now 🎵", "The definition of pedantic.", "If you want to pay for it, you can add 'high-early' admixtures to concrete to get to 70% strength in <24 hours. That's more than enough to hold up the roof if you get the right mix.", "I did it for 6 years, everytime we had to add in some engineered piece it was a pain. If we had the pieces would build it faster.", "This is incorrect - the concrete used for this application doesn’t need to be unusually strong. Instead, it needs the initial set to be much quicker so that the next layer can be printed on top of it without collapsing. Achieving this will result in slightly stronger concrete than is typical for residential construction, but not stronger than concrete used regularly in commercial construction.", "> They don't sell it, they just rent it.\n\nXerox tried that with photocopiers in the sixties (well, making the purchase price equivalent to over ninety years of rent). \"Theft\" of Xerox machines went through the roof.", "lol or any of dozens if not hundreds of occasions they were clearly pumping and spinning for Tesla. What trash human beings.", "Not hard to put a blue tarp over the site and weigh it down with buckets to keep off the elements before the roof gets up.\n\nWood CLT construction is great, strong enough to build mid rises at comparable cost without the cure time. It also looks great and is fire tough. Unlike other building materials wood sequester CO2, CLT is the future.", "I've done prefab, and site built, and the site built stuff has WAY more errors every time. I've never had to pull beer cans out of the walls of a prefab. I've never had to call back 20 windows each for being identically flashed upside down on a prefab.", "> These machines don't require specialists\n\nThe people that work at your company are specialists. I'm not a specialist for your machine even though I'm technically astute on most things.", "The main thing I even entertained the idea of container homes is the impermanence of it. Don't like the layout? Change it around. Add more space. I've seen these folding frames videos around, and thought it'd be more expensive. Looks like something to look into, and applies more to what I'd want to do.", "ACI has provisions for the design of plain concrete without reinforcing. For single story homes in low seismic areas, the concrete alone is sufficient to resist the wind and gravity loads.", "I've seen all these marvelous things that apparently can make life wonderful easy and beautiful and they always get debunked. \n\nI thought the printing homes was already dead, saw lots of videos expressing how useless and expensive it was a few years ago. First time I saw it the first thing I thought was \"who'd think is cheaper when you are not using bricks but pure concrete, which is not cheap at least here, cement is not cheap here, a 50kg bag has the same cost as about 100 bricks so a pretty common large wall, making it with just concrete would need a lot more than one bag. \n\nAnyway. They just pay to show up even in news or CNN (as part of some article in the \"technology\" section). Heck I even saw lots of \"dodo\" (or dodi can't remember) videos you know those with white text and some WORDS in capital letters or different colors here on reddit and lots of positive comments and every debunking comment being downvoted.", "Lol it wasn’t paywalled when I found it, sorry! I would never condone paying full price for journal access.", ">These machines don't require specialists,[sic] everyone at our company learns to use the machine, even the salespeople.\n\nThis statement is misleading as repairing highly sophisticated equipment and strategizing to have it work under non-ideal situations is not covered under your idea of what all would be required. I mean, the idea of using such a machine would mean shipping it some place for a considerable period of time where it would undergo not insignificant wear and tear no matter the durability of the device.\n\nAlso, anybody who deals with high-end equipment knows that sales people \"know\" how to operate said equipment only in the smallest capacity that the term will allow. It would be foolish for anybody in any industry to presume anything more from their salesperson. I think readers of your post should be skeptical of your claims; those in industry who have been burned by vendors would definitely attest to that.", "Yeah, I've always been a fan of containers -- regardless of their drawbacks. Every building method has pros and cons, and when the cons of containers are removed -- like the possibly toxic paint or god knows what that's been absorbed by the 30+ year old plywood floors leaching or off gassing etc they really do become very very appealing. \n\nAnd with reflective mylar insulation now that blocks 99% of IR that can be installed on the outside of containers to protect them from heating up so easily ... old containers can still be used too. Men personally, wouldn't worry about the paint - the house I'm in now has lead paint... Just don't eat it and you're good! Lol 🤣", "Damn you worked with some shite builders", "It's not hard, but I can assure you it virtually never happens, ever.", "You also build a basement where freezing is an issue. \n\nThe frost line is officially five feet deep where I am so you may as well just keep digging and build a real basement along with the foundation because it costs essentially the same as a pad or piles.", "I see what you did there.", "The principle doesn't require that the ratio be exactly 80:20. It's a rule of thumb.", "I think it doesn’t apply because it simply has to do with how many hours of labor. Framing a house only takes a small number of man hours compared to the rest of the build, but seems like the “biggest” job because of the size of the product. In reality building a house is a linear task and the frame takes roughly as long as the final paint job- but there’s a thousand other tasks to do in between. In other words the rest is far from 20% of the job, it’s more like 80% of the job takes 80% of the time to complete.", "Oh I LOVE THIS WOMAN. Her videos are just awesome. I love the series about Shipping Container Houses.", "That's why I don't see the big deal about container homes. You can build a wood box for just as cheap, building a box is not the expensive part. And everything else you have to do for both (framing, insulation, rooftop, wiring, etc).", "Yeah American homes are still just matchstick homes that have not really progressed much for decades except better materials/insulation. It's the construction unions, lobbies, etc. that fight any advancement so they can protect their monopoly. So many areas where they won't even allow off-site built modular homes let alone something like 3D due to intense lobbying.", "There have been a couple prefab projects in my city and it's interesting to see them come together in a few days, but it doesn't seem to make the project finish much quicker.", "How durable are those houses, anyway?", "thats true but neither is 120 days an even remotely realistic time frame for new construction to work at. I've never seen roofers take more than a week after framers, and even that is a while.", "Watch one video about container homes and it's Belinda Carr videos all the way down from that point on. Youtube really wants me to know about architechture.", "In what does that take months? That's just a horrible contractor doing the scheduling imho", "Wow, you're a piece of work.", "Yup. It's the norm, not the exception.", "How do you feel about teslas costing ridiculous amounts of money and time to fix simple fender benders or any small damage? I was looking at buying a tesla and found hidden in the bullshit hype that they are often almost totaled from fender benders.", "Okay but then why comment you have dirt on them? Of course people will ask lol", "> Either one is good, but the basement gives additional square footage for the home to be used for things like Furnaces, laundry appliances, additional food storage like a freezer or two, room for an additional bathroom and or bedroom, and a secure spot incase of a tornado. (real important here in the mid-west)\n\nThe real reason for choosing one over the other is if the ground freezes. Places where the ground freezes will almost universally have basements to avoid frost heaving the foundation. Places where the ground doesn't really freeze can use pads.\n\nOf course, there are always exceptions.", "Elon Musk bad.", ":( nuclear isn't safe", "Can you show some examples of what these folding frames are?", "Your schtick is to change the argument to something it wasn’t, or to confidently say things which are easily verifiable as false. Why would I argue with that?", "What are some good companies or machines that you can recommend?", "You should visit the owners over in /r/TeslaMotors to test out your theory that all sorts of Teslas are \"totaled from fender benders.\"\n\nIMO, not true. Plenty of fender benders have been fixed.\n\nTime? Yes. Tesla does run into some parts issues, and you can't just take them to your local Johnny Mechanic ... you kind of need to take them to Tesla. So that's something to be aware of, and if it's not right for you - don't buy one.\n\nIf an accident is significant enough to cause damage to the battery pack, then that's a different question. The battery pack is expensive enough that the car is \"financially\" totaled.\n\nSo your insurance company pays you the fair market value, and then you go buy another one. Not a big deal IMO - as long as I'm financially made whole (which is why I carry insurance above and beyond state requirements) it's just a temporary inconvenience if your car gets totaled from someone hitting you.", "Ugh. I fell for that shit hard and I regret it.\n\nAin't doing that twice.", "ICON built several homes in Mexico that have withstood earthquakes.", "The Boring Company's revolutionary plan for making tunnels was to buy a tunnel cutting machine from another company and using that machine to dig tunnels. They have not innovated in any way and their hype comes from things unrelated to their company (Hyperloop) and being owned by Elon Musk", "It uses electricity so that's a downside? Electricity is needed in all construction", "I have a household 3d printer and there are TONS of issues to workout with different kinds of prints, filaments, settings, maintenance & repairs, etc.\n\nIt's consumer-grade, but I have to imagine the professional equipment is much more complex and has a LOT more that can go wrong. And when printing a house it's not like you can say, \"gee this print isn't coming out right, let me clean off the build plate and start over!\"", "Also not really mentioned in the video is that the concrete dries up incredibly fast if it doesn't have some sort of retardant chemical in it, and even then you would have 2 hours max to pour whatever is in those tubes. Concrete isn't perfect, there will always be clogs as well, those rubber hoses you see when they pour concrete (if you have seen concrete being poured) get clogged up all of the time and even with those it's a pain in the ass to unclog them. I couldn't imagine what a clog would look like in those tiny little pipes shown in these videos. Not one size fits all with concrete depending on what psi, consistency, mix, etc each job requires different equipment and size of hose.", "I live in a country that's built almost entirely on cast concrete buildings. Here's the biggest issue for me:\n\nThe ability to do anything in your home. Like change an internal non-load bearing wall, or hang a picture or shelves or even put in an additional outlet.\n\nI've never noticed the buildings being all cracked or anything like that. They're just a pain in the ass to live in.", "They aren't 'green', but they are certainly better than what we are doing now with oil/coal/natural gas in regards to generation. \n\nGreen has become a catchall term for anything lately.", "This was a great write up thank you for doing it.\n\n>The important thing to realize is how early this technology is.\n\nThat was my take away, I think in the future it'll be at the very least a really great tool in the construction toolbox. Just have to be wary of people trying to sell the promise of something that's still a ways off, but it feels like that's common in every industry these days.", "Belinda does an amazing job of hype busting.\n\nHer perspective is refreshingly honest. And she backs it up with data.", "Yes but the concrete is unsupported which is often what custom architecture requires most. \n\nThere’s no rebar or even wood, no connection to the foundations even. It’s a disaster waiting to happen for anything more than a single story bungalow.", "The whole world uses 220-250VAC, the US and it’s 120V is infuriating.", "Sorry to hear that, people would not last on my crew that did work like that.", "Yeah... they reek of an aimless wheel-spinning startup company looking for leads. It's surprising given how Musk runs his other companies.", "Alibaba.com, \"folding frame container home\"", "Yep the shortage of good sand is well in progress. The good news is that we can just crush rocks and it's called \"m. sand\" or \"mechanical sand.\" It does affect the material properties of the concrete, but it's nothing that can't be compensated for.\n\nThe thing with concrete is that we literally cannot accomplish all the same things with any other method or technology. Concrete is actually very environmentally efficient if it is designed properly and allowed to last for a long time (if your spouse watches HGTV a lot, might not want to get a 3D printed concrete house).\n\nTechnology can definitely help the concrete industry improve a lot more, though.\n\nThe industry will learn how to better utilize supplementary cementitious materials and reduce Portland cement usage in the concrete mix.\n\nRecycled Concrete Aggregate is making leaps and bounds too, and that can make a big difference while we're spending a trillion dollars to upgrade roads and bridges all across the US.", "There are some important things you are missing. The cutting of the tunnel isn’t the hard part, it’s the infrastructure behind the TBM (water, power, grout, wall segments) that limits the speed. To start, it made more sense for them to buy an off the shelf cutting machine and modify it while they worked on other problems. Nowadays they are building their own machines. Have they hit the massive rate increases Elon promised? No. Nonetheless they have made some subtle but appreciable innovations to speed things up", "Woa that’s a huge reach. Betamax would have been viable if VHS wasn’t able to record longer. The technology was sound, hence continual usage long after it lost the media war. These investment baits can’t hope to be nearly as successful as Betamax.", "Many places use 110/120V. Not just the US. Like at least half on South America and the Caribbean also runs 110. And I don’t feel like looking up where else. And the US grid is technically 240V. The outlets inside houses are 110/120 or 220/240.", "This is pretty much it.\n\nIts funny when you see those concepts where theyre stacked all on top of eachother sideways and sticking out etc. While the concepts arent impossible, the containers need to be extensively modified to bare weight on anything other than the corner castings.", "Agreed that really bugged me.\n\nIt's the classic \"well this solution isn't 100% completely perfect so it's bad\" \n\nLike yes, we need to use fossil fuels to manufacture and install wind turbines... BUT THATS ALSO TRUE FOR COAL PLANTS. And with coal you have to keep doing that to mine and transport the coal.", "She's excellent at what she does.", "This is true though, right? \n\nThe lithium in my car battery is far from green, and given the grid where I live it's not driving on green power. I did the math, though, and where I live it's about 50% lower emissions over its lifetime.\n\nThis is important to know, partly so we know to improve it. E.g. solid state sodium ion batteries are something similar would be an incredible breakthrough.", "70% sure but that’s a pretty big waste of a polluting resource. If you waited the full cure time, you’d need 30% thinner walls (roughly)", "It's a good video that people tend to watch all the way through, and is also a bit contrarian so it tends to generate engagement via comments. So yeah it will gain traction via the algorithm, no agenda necessary.", "Same. Randomly saw her video about calling bullshit on container homes and subscribed right away.", "I mean you can still build the house while it's curing up from 70%.", "Where's your citation that they don't?", "Loading before cure time reduces final strength. Also admixtures reduce final strength as well", "Every time I see these 3D printed buildings I never see any rebar. That's the first red flag that it's all hype and not actually worth a fuck.", "They have a nice musky scent to them.", "This has to be satire. \n\nWow you stopped the short sellers from making money so that a billionaire could save a few hundred thousand dollars in salary expense.", "Wait. What's wrong with solar roads? I've had the idea for a long long time. I imagine a future where the roads are solar and can heat up to melt ice. And also have conductive charging. Like wireless charging phones but for cars and they will stay charged while driving.", "The cars really aren’t “outstanding”. They have a lot of issues.", "These printers aren’t fire and forget. There is a lot of manual adding of reinforcements such as rebar.", "Maybe a bit Grimey?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuVbICT6TJ0\n\nThis video was pretty cool about using them to put together a bunch of temporary lodging for a ski event.", "This area in the 1950s. A LOT of ranch style houses built, but most were on flat slabs (In-laws bought one. I lived in a similar one for a while)", "Developers in the 1950s tried to save every penny they could. In the 70s, I spoke with a construction worker that said, financially, the difference between a pad and a basement was only $1000. (Note: this was \\~1978) But developers, in the 50s were doing the cheap. Still doing it, too.", "Usually, outside of the Tesla subs, most \"stans\" will get down voted to hell. But in this case, you are getting the down votes, so you are in the wrong here attacking him.", "Nope, but I have friends who work there.", "In the automotive industry there are definitely \"soft\" bribes. Stuff like being given a \"loaner\" to review for an entire year, free trips/food/goodies from press launches etc.", "I had to turn off a video when she made a claim that burning wood was worse than coal, glossing over the fact that burning coal releases co2 that's been locked up for millions of years, whereas wood can be carbon neutral. I'm not a fan of burning wood in general, but that definitely irked me.", "Yes?", "I don’t know, but I do know people who would’ve done what she did if they had the chance.", "You do realize that if you make a claim, it is your responsibility to back it up. This \"go educate yourself\" rant only makes you look like some conspiracy theory nutjob.", "So you are saying we need to 3d print toilets?", ":( you hurted my feelings is that what you wanted", ">Nonetheless they have made some subtle but appreciable innovations to speed things up\n\nTo speed what up? So far, Elon's \"solutions\" are FAR inferior. For example, a subway line in place of his dumb Tesla tunnel would transport literally over 100x as many people per year at a much lower cost per passenger. The Hyperloop itself is naive nonsense from the 1950s and is outrageously stupid compared to normal high speed rail.", "In nations with easy access to cheap lumber I would have thought the best option to throw up a house quickly would be to standardize walls in such a way that a factory can crap out sections and then they can be shipped to and put together like legos. \n \nIn a factory setting it may be feasible to have all the lumber work automated, this would still leave all the plumbing and finishing unless the pipes and cables had a standardized connector that could click into place on site.", "Bit backwards there - they absolutely have a pr/marketing department(though iirc under a different name, but they do the same work).\n\n What they don't have is an advertising budget.\n\nWhich, in turn, is a cleverer lie, in that it's not technically a lie - if they just spend what they need with no upper limit or set amount(officially, anyway), it's not a budget, just an expenditure - but it's so misleading it's basically one except in the most pedantic sense.", "/r/mapswithoutnewzealand", "It’s just the US, Canada and Mexico that use 120V\nnow, South America has converted to 240V.\n\nThe US grid is technically 240V (single & triple phase) but the rest of the world and like 85% of the planets population has a 480V three phase grid, meaning you can fast charge an electric car without any modifications done to your home.\n\nIt wouldn’t require much effort to upgrade the US grid and would future proof the system for decentralised power generation and widespread electric vehicle adoption.", "those aren't bribes that's just good business 😭", "Every video I’ve seen so far just shows the concrete being layered like toothpaste. \n\nThere’s no steel mesh frame or anything, as I said before it’s a disaster waiting to happen.", "r/RealTesla posts this stuff all the time. A basic search would show you everything from marketing campaigns in china to how soft bribes work in the auto industry. I'm not going to chew your thoughts for you just to have you spit them back up at me like a toddler.", "lol sound logic weeb", "It's a lie, like FSD is a lie. They're lies. Spinning things is lying.", "New technology bad old technology good", "To speed up the boring of tunnels. I can’t speak to the transportation infrastructure that goes in said tunnels", "The fundamental problem with these machines is that they rely on concrete, a building material we should avoid if possible.", "If it takes 80% of the time then it's not really 20% of the job. It's just someone underestimating how far along they are in the project.", "Her idea that specialists are needed are sorely mistaken. The entire purpose is to basically have the crew start it and show up when it's done. Ideally it drives itself over to the next lot or whatever and starts itself. Nobody expected it to print a fully painted and furnished house, they're expecting a fully framed layout, which it still does.\n\nShe basically just took bad writing by journalists and postulated them as these common myths that nobody has ever really said.", "This! Unreinforced concrete is not allowed by code in many areas.", "A lot of journalists, not just the tech ones, are relying on a very simple strategy: If the subject matter is too complicated for your target audience to understand, they won't know when you get it wrong. I had this illustrated for me when someone sent me a message \"Is this legit? [PopSci article link relevant to my field]\". Short answer: No. \n\nLong answer: The writer made points that clearly illustrated they did not do even the most cursory research to back it up. They read one journal paper (which at least they linked to), and they either didn't make it to the end of the paper or chose to ignore some of the conclusions for their own convenience.", "Dude, you guys get paid!?", "lol go away weeb", "Her issue is people saying wind and solar will get us to zero emissions without recognizing that making them, recycling, etc still produces emissions. \n\nAre they better, yes. Because they aren't perfect and a lot of people think they are.", "I feel this one too. We get a lot of the opposite too where projects that will take 8 people 2 days, but the client wants it faster so we will put 20 people on it. We constantly have to explain some stuff doesn't work like that. Double the number of workers doesn't make concrete set faster or supplies get delivered quicker. Then, like you suggested, they don't actually hire 20 people anyway so fml", "A lot of her debunks can be debunked...\n\nSeriously tho, $3500 USD for one of these shitboxes in El Salvador? You can have a classically constructed brick home of the same footprint for $2800 USD in El Salvador.", "It's the x0.90 Pareto Principle duh.", "Yeah, sorry. I meant it’s concerning that her stance seems to be “all or nothing” on zero emission energy production.\n\n0% is better than 100%, but so is 50%.", "I bet 99.9% of the 8% greenhouse gas emissions are from power and transportation. \n\nI don't get why these heavy energy usage industry are not pushing hard for energy companies to produce green power. A lot of companies are going to be forced to pay carbon tax because of their energy usage.", "That’s very true. Tesla does it with FSD access for the tech blogs and event invitations and also Elon replies on Twitter but doesn’t do loaner cars or paid trips with lunch", "> EDIT: you stans are pathetic. did you post this to a discord?\n\nThe only thing worse than the stans are people like you who go too hard and then play victim when you get downvoted.", "it is said , there is nothing like getting a house from zero after a day for the time being.\n\nAt least one entity, Broad group, admits a project holon, takes two months after permission granted. That might take six months from zero.", "It's a shortcut slang for \"sticks and bricks\" referring to wood framing and some form of stone (concrete, stucco, bricks).", "modular or bricks can speed up the progress as most of steps can be peeformed at almost same time, can spot flaws earlier. I remembered there is at least one case, using wrong concrate to form walls unnoticed after an inspector says motherf*ker after checking a section of these walls （大圍柏傲莊）", "Yes, but she wasn't providing green alternatives, just scoffing. I'm left to assume she endorses coal, etc.", "Who knows how the algorithm works, but yeah it appears to be the algorithm.", "I think she is attempting to make people aware enough to not be investing their hard earned money without research into the downsides. For example, shipping container homes aren't as inexpensive as it first appears, when they need to have a lot of modifications before they are safe to inhabit, such as adding windows, cutting through steam frames, etc. No one else was talking about replacing the contaminated or toxic floorboards (sprayed to prevent bugs or vermin from destroying the imports). Nor was anyone else mentioning the cost of having proper venting, windows and doors installed to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning. Nor was anyone else mentioning the difficulty in keeping a steel walled building warm in the winter or cool in the summer no matter what type of insulation was installed, or about black mold or rust. \n\nI think she brings up a lot of excellent points that no one else is talking about. Instead of joining in the echo chamber in lauding an unknown style of home, she reviews and states the good and bad, the truths and exaggerations, which is very important when no one else wants to admit the reality.", "lol it didn't hurt my feelings, i just think it's reliably pathetic. their entire identity is being 'rational' and 'embracing the future' and it's all just children being fanbois like they are over consoles and worshipping walking awkward nerd power fantasy elon musk. Technojesus won't save you from your ecological sins, he's not real.", "We can get the comfort of a mobile home, with the blissful beauty of brutalism? \n\nThe future is scary", "Since you're here, I have a question.\n\nHow do you go about reinforcing the printed walls?\n\nI live in Australia, and a lot of northern Australia gets cyclones. The usual construction method for withstanding cyclones involves using concrete blocks with rebar down the middle, and then core-filling them with more concrete. In some parts of the country we basically build bunkers.", "How about we use the beach sand for concrete and put the desert sand on the beach? Only half joking", "Yes, the \"soviet blocks\" or \"Khrushchyovka\" are the same. I think those were the absolute king of fast and cheap housing. Prefab core insulated panels 5-10 story buildings, each. A single factory was able to produce 5000 apartments a year.", "But how many 3d printers are available to use? What is the waiting time for getting a trained and qualified crew to operate the equipment in a small town, in say, northern Arizona? What about the chances of the counties where a 3d home is to be built not approving the houses because it is uncommon and doesn't have a long term track record.", "I haven't watched the video but it's true that wind and solar are not \"perfectly green\", whatever that means (i'm guessing you're talking about carbon emissions). Nothing is, really.", "They sped up the digging part by making narrower tunnels. Is that innovation?", "I enjoyed watching your video so much! You articulate the facts so well", "When I worked at Lowe's I would go out and help the drivers unload heavy shit. We took 5 pallets of shingles out to this place and had to hand unload it due to the outer areas of land being too muddy. All of the Amish that were there helped us. Head guy told me that the house would be framed, skinned, and possibly have the roof put on by the end of the day. There was only a concrete pad there when we left. When I went by at 8pm everything he said would be done, they even had the front door framed in and had started on the garage. I believe he told me that the house would be 4500 square feet, it was massive.", "I think the main point they are getting at is having the sales people understand how it works and what a printer is and isn't capable of.", "This is a fucking banger", "I work for a company that designs and builds cnc machines and I gotta disagree that people don’t need training. Sure, the software and ui makes them super easy to use, but it’s not about wether they need the training to figure it out. They need the training because if they broke something the insurance company need to see the competency certs otherwise they’re going to straight up say no. I’ve actually had a salesperson break some parts before and I had to say it was me because I’m trained according the the insurances requirements. Sure you could just ignore it all and let anyone use the machines and it would be cheaper in the short run, but no insurance company will insure a machine worth tens of thousands (or more) without requiring some form for compliancy with its use. So I’m most cases (or at least those where the company isn’t being reckless), they would need specialists to travel with the machines, even though it’s not actually practically needed.", "Where’s your proof there’s no pink teapot between here and andromeda?", "So outstanding minus issues is great? Or are we on the side of the internet where we only see in binary.", "This is exactly what I meant. \"Do your research\" is not an argument for you, but a confession that you don't have much of a case. If it's so easy to find some sources to back you up, why don't you link them to the guys asking for it, instead of spend your time here arguing how everyone else should do your work for you.\n\n(And just clarify: I have personally no real interest in this particular slap fight. I just wanted to point out that you are making a fool out of yourself if you just keep yelling \"I'm right, you're wrong\", but refuse to elaborate.)", "Thanks, dingus.", "Looks sideways at \"Engineering Explained\"\n\n(Still love his content though)", "Yeah. She has found a profitable niche and sells herself as an expert.\n\nI was subscribed to her channel, but I get the feeling likes and views are much more important to her then accuracy and providing expert knowledge. It's a shame.", "She looks happy.", "3D printers only print the walls. Those are such a tiny fraction of the whole building process here, what are you really saving?\n\nOnce the foundation is done, the walls and roof are usually up really fast after that. \n\nThen it's still ages to finish the inside of the building.", "Not being critical of her to begin with. However I just could not watch the video through. She does a fine job, the problem is all on me, I just can't get past the way she speaks English.", "I encourage you to attend an Atlanta Press Club event or that of a similar organization and get a feel for who all is in attendance, how they got their jobs, where they're from, how their doors revolve, etc... It's a legitimately unique tier of society, in ways insulated, removed from realities, and elitist, like spaces occupied by those within large corporate consultancies.\n\nThe whole notion of \"Jim Jameson, the straight shooter and Korea veteran who works the pen for the flagship city paper\" is a farce.\n\nStill though... That's not to say that online bloggers from outside \"the system\" or whatever are always or even usually any more reliable or less biased. I'm just saying that Peter Parker's boss is a fictional character. Nonetheless, if anyone has Spiderman pics, \"I want them on my desk by 8:50 tomorrow morning, see!\"", "That obviously depends on how you're quantifying the job.", "Agreed. In the context of the video, she brought up the point of specialists when talking about setting up these homes in impoverished countries and for the homeless. I'm not going to say that those people can't figure out how to use these machines, but it will likely come out better quality and up to code by those who are specialized or actually have the training to run these machines and build the buildings.", "Indian accent can be testing sometimes", "You mean we can't just give nearly free nice houses to every human for $3500 and the only reason we don't is that the rich hate the poor?", "The house lies?", "Because roads are the absolute worst place to put a solar panel and melting snow takes orders of magnitude more energy than physically moving snow. The problem with solar power has never been \"where do we put it?\"\n\nThink about it another way: why not just build a covered highway and put solar panels on top of the roof? You've reduced the amount of snow on the road and you don't have to worry about the wear and tear of cars and trucks driving over your solar panels.", "Not sure who said that but I like it!", "In business 80% of your sales come from 20% of your customers, is that the same thing?", "The us actually also provides 240VAC, it's just provided as two opposing phases. This is convenient because it means you can provide the individual (120VAC) phases to 120V outlets, but you can also wire both phases to a 240V outlet. Most homes have at least one of these, to power a fridge or electric oven.\n\n120V is safer and most applications don't require 240V, so 240V outlets are only wired where they're likely to be useful.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power", "Did house framing during a before college over a summer and we'd knock out 2k-4k square foot houses in about two to three days, mostly depending on the interior layout, with a crew of six.\n\nHad a couple of Amish crews who would do one every two days like clockwork.", "Foundations usually take about a month to fully cure. You can generally start building onto them after about a week, weather dependent.", "How dare you imply that the Pareto principle doesn’t apply here!", "I mean, yes.", "That's really interesting, the admixtures bit makes sense but I wouldn't have guessed the other bit. So essentially additional stress gets baked into the structure reducing the yield stress?", "Thank you!", "And a light breeze or a decade of rain will pretty much ruin your shack\n\nCompare a 20 year old American home to a 200 year old Euopean one", "We have a 3D printing company in germany, they were more realistic with their expectation in their PR vids, giving a timeframe of roughly 2-4 days to fully print the concrete part. Is this more accurate?", "It’s weird that instead of watching the video you made a post about not watching the video where you just wrote out a worse, less informative version of the video.", "Sounds like a recent experience I'm having working with a studio that wants me to give up my massive computer hardware setup at home (64C threadripper, 256GB RAM, triple 3090s, 20GB/s SSD RAID) to work via Teradici on their network.\n\nMe: well, it's very slow working this way. There's lag in the connection that makes it frustrating, holding down hotkeys seems to just spam the button instead of holding it down, the render/simulation farm is slow, takes a long time to submit jobs to, and they take a long time to actually get picked up by the machines...which are all much slower than mine too. Also my Teradici machine is a 6 core Xeon with an 8GB GPU and 64GB of RAM, and I get maybe 20fps on this connection.\n\nPM: ok we can maybe get you a better machine here to connect to, will that help?", "she also has a couple of videos on that.", "but the cops will beat you and shred it.", "I’m not concerned with articulating the information. I’m not claiming to be an expert or have any authority on it. \n\nMy criticisms is the what being communicated. You’re not debunking lies if nobody even lied in the first place.\n\nThe whole video summed up is basically, “yeah some people overhyped a product they wanted to talk about to get clicks. It’s actually kind of boring stuff.” Kind of like the video itself.", "Ah do so love the well its your job to make it work.", "That sounds like the non-union Amish.", "I set some posts for a fence at my house last Spring, I might go ahead and finish it this Fall, idk. caveat: I am a General Contractor and don't have time to work on my own house.", "Lose", "You realize that “overhyping” new, disruptive technologies to court billions of dollars in venture capital investment is a constant problem, right? It absolutely is lying, and these people make a killing doing it. They aren’t exactly harmless lies, either. If it was just rich assholes ripping off even richer assholes, I wouldn’t care.", "Yeah it's basically in the name", "They're actually saying it comes from the reaction that takes place in the curing of concrete. The process alone is a big emitter of CO2.", "> where its hard to ship prefab walls to\n\nWould shipping the machine be realistically easier?", "TL;DR?", "Her video on [Shipping Container Homes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7yEDz6bCfU) is great too.", "I really enjoy her video and seems she done a through study on the matter subject. Really worth watching", "I was never really convinced these were \"the next thing\". At least not yet.\nJust felt like there were a lot of components missing in the construction, like rebar and insulation. \n\nIt's like those container homes. Nothing cheap or simple about them.\n\nI'm sure it'll get there someday, though.", "I've had 25+ years in construction, [these guys blow my mind](https://youtu.be/AsTB0HnM6WM)\n\nCould retire next year if I could get a few Amish crews here in Aus.", "Here we do strip foundations. A small trench on the perimeter of the future house deeper than the ground freezes, fill it with steel wire and concrete and on top a regular slab.", "In software development too.", "Unfortunately your cousin is working for another of these scammy \"green\" companies. Most of these companies that profess to make some green product are just hiding the brown processes behind a supply chain, and carbon sequestration concrete is no different. The way they do it is by incorporating calcium silicate into the mix (replacing calcium oxide), and then pumping CO2 into it to turn it into calcium carbonate. This is supposedly green because to make the calcium oxide, you need to heat limestone to a white heat to turn it from calcium hydroxide to calcium oxide. Now the shitty part. Calcium silicate, which is the \"green\" replacement for calcium oxide, is manufactured by combining calcium oxide with silicon dioxide. Yes, they use calcium oxide to make calcium silicate, adding a whole extra step to the process, making it actually LESS green than plain old concrete. Look into the manufacture of any of the silicon valley \"green\" ventures, you'll find so many examples of this green-washing by brown-obfuscation.", "IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE", "Yeah, but even her videos on shipping containers are varied on the ways they cover them – from why is it's a scam in many cases, to examples of good uses of containers in architecture and construction. \n\nShe's actually had me considering buying a shipping container to use as a workshop. I don't even own a plot of land yet (though I plan to), but one of her videos made me go like “huh, that is an option!”", "Yeah it’s like a low slump mix, basically. Right?", "Here is link to the Slovak record, entire house fully built, ready to move in, in 37 hours 37 minutes", "I'm so glad you wrote this novel about why you're not going to watch various parts of the video! \n\nI was happy not to read various parts of your comment.", "Yeah. The problem is a technology solution that might be better than existing ones in certain \"corner cases\", is being suddenly marketed as the big revolution that completely uproot the old technology and bring the great good to the masses.\n\nThen it gets debunked and everyone loses any faith in the new technology, maybe except of a couple nutjobs who swallowed the hype and refuse to stop believing. And the situation where the technology actually helps goes completely forgotten.\n\nThere are scenarios where 3D-printed homes are a good alternative. They are fairly rare scenarios. And the technology still requires all the old finishing work traditional homes get, so the benefit isn't all that big even where it's present. So is it a bad technology? No, it's good in these specific scenarios. It's bad if you try to shoehorn it into scenarios it's not good at.\n\nps. 50kg of cement produces much, much more than 50kg of concrete. May not be more than 100 bricks by volume, can't really tell, but if you don't need high-quality, high-strength concrete, it's very cheap. The main reason to use bricks is their porosity - thermal properties of concrete suck, bricks provide vastly better thermal protection - plus they simplify the process if building by hand without massive heavy machinery and lots of formwork to keep concrete in form of a wall.", "It could be she was going off some other pollutant metric. Not that I think that would make her right, since coal releases a lot of sulfur when burned. Maybe it's less than wood per heat unit, idk. It's like that statistic that a few cruise ships pollute more than all the cars in the world or something. They were comparing sulfur emissions, not greenhouse gas emissions. And if the cruise ships were required to have catalytic converters it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.", "That would however be a slightly different technique. It would be more like laser sintering, which is also an established 3D printing technology.", "Yeah but… they’re solar FREAKIN roadways!!!", "Sounds like ICON are more after venture capital money than actual business money. Which heck why not, pay yourself a million dollars a year to be \"VP of one of the world's hottest startups!!!\" then see how long you can ride that pony.\n\nI'd be wary of ICON going under and some scandal resulting from it if I were you. I've heard tangential stories about companies like Theranos dragging down the whole industry after events like that.", "We looked into this for our ADU but didn’t find it cost saving at the time. That was almost five years ago so things may be different now. There are some gorgeous prefab options out there.", "peace of mind\nBut yes, you're completely right.", "Also the type of construction", "Wow did they even paint the thing or is the red something else", "Just recently saw Technology Connections video on [LED traffic lights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYO1TObNz8) (YT algorithm doing the lords work), pretty much talking about the same \"but sometimes\" thing people and/or media tend to focus on a lot.\n\nThe LEDs got a lot of flak for not melting snow, because well, they are far more energy efficient than traditional lights and produce less heat.\n\nOnce everyones attention is on the drawback its like all the prositives suddenly disappear. \nAs if every new technology needs to be perfectly instantly, completely disregarding major issues with existing technology.", "Probably Musk's dumbest active project", "The cladding comes pre-painted", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHaXvjeqBUE", ">never condone paying full price for journal access.\n\nThe PhD way", "Yeah I recently discovered the channel Newsthink thinking it was a techvlog. But almost every video constantly praises Elon Musk.", "The issue at hand is that the technology as it exists, and likely will for the next couple decades, isn't good. You're looking at paying a crew to set up the printer, which weighs tens of thousands of pounds and must new painstakingly placed and leveled. You still need crew to install structural reinforcement (rebar primarily) into the pour, because poured and not molded concrete isn't strong. You now need a laborer to continue to fill the machine with cement, and someone qualified to test if the wet concrete is to spec.\n\nVideos the actual manufacturers have released have about fifteen people involved in the process as it occurs for a foundation size that is able to be completed by a masonry crew of ten in fewer hours. The finished product is lumpy and not suitable for a finished surface anchoring things into; since you use a 3D printer, you know that printed structures are not suitable for lateral loads.\n\nTake the same plotting technology and use it for deposition of mortar and concrete blocks, and that sounds like the actual answer.", "I build mobile homes for a living. 20 a day. It's amazing what 300 humans can do when we work together.", "That sub is all the type of bullshit I gladly gobbled up as a teen.", "Maybe, I'll have to ask her about it, she's one of their MEs. And silicon valley? The company isn't even American. Still, could be a shell game like you describe.\n\nPersonally, I'm working towards habitat work, maybe someday I'll get to work with peat bogs, the real MVPs of terrestrial carbon sequestration.", "This channel popped up a day ago for me and I really like the no bullshit attitude she shows. \n\nI heartily recommend her other debunking vids, like the container houses.", "In the UK we use bricks. Since they are laid sequencially I think that already counts as 3D printing?", "What is the advantage to print a house on site instead of using a more conventional method like prefab?", "But you need to transport the concrete.... Which will have the same total weight as the prefab walls. Prefab walls can also be insulated and reinforced.", "I remember watching a [video](https://youtu.be/TxO46yjE8dI) were the material used wasn't concrete but a polymer composite", "Yeah, IDK how she got lucky with Youtube but her videos have been showing up in my feed out of nowhere and now I see her on the top or /r/videos (must have popped up on someone else's feed too). That shipping container one seems so obvious looking at it now though lol", "Permits take 90% of the time anyway. The other 10% is mostly sourcing labor and materials.", "Yeah me too just a couple of days ago. And probably millions of people. Not a coincidence.", "Earthquake rubbing hands", "I love your voice! Talk more!", "people who haven't used an fdm printer doesn't know how annoying 3d printers are. it's always \"it's good until it isn't\"", "My parents bought a modular home in 85, came in 2 pieces, assembled on site, you'd never know it wasn't stick built.", "2 women can't birth a baby in 5 months, is the saying for this.", "I literally do not live in any of those three countries and have 110(127)v coming out of the wall.", "I know a guy who got fired, because something big and critical failed on a project with no redundancy in place. He had asked for multiple redundancies, but his bosses said no, because redundancy would cost too much. And when the thing inevitably failed, they blamed him.", ">These machines don't require specialists, everyone at our company learns to use the machine, even the salespeople. If you can learn to use a regular 3D printer, you can learn our machine.\n\nI think your definition of specialist is too restrictive given her fair use of the term. I consider a person who has mastered a traditional FDM 3D printer a specialist, because it can take many months of trial and error before they can successfully print a strong mechanical part in a range of different materials. Modern slicers have close to a hundred settings, and most have to be within fairly tight ranges of \"right\" for a successful print.\n\nAnyone can learn to become a specialist in something, and there really isn't a requirement that it be a 10 year journey with an accredited degree. You simply have to compare those people with specialist knowledge to a regular concrete or construction guy, and can fairly call the machine operators \"specialists\".\n\nCould I walk on site and operate that machine with no training and just a manual? - if not, then you need a specialist.", "This article is fantastic! A really good summary of the technical issues that I've been thinking casually about ever since this method started coming on the market. Thanks for the link! Also ETH Zurich killing it in with structural innovation, as per usual.", "Tis the way", "And the reddit mob stance?", "So if I don't feel like reading all that.. what's the short answer? \nDoes it need rebar or other reinforcement, or is it strong enough as it is when printed?", "Yeah, I was thinking they would have to build something that would climb with it. It was just an idea.", "This video is complete hyperbole. \n\nIt’s not about making this the only method to make houses… it’s about inspiring change and new ways of building.\n\nEdit: I mistook this for another clickbait video I’d recently seen on 3d printed houses.", "They had the refferal program where some youtubers got free cars. Teslabjörn even got 2 Roadster 2.0 and a Model X before that. Still had to pay income tax on it though.", "It's amusing to have claims of building houses in 24 hours with a material that ordinarily takes a month to cure. Forget 3d printing, they must have invented time machines. :D", "From the inside, or just outside?", "Unfortunately, that's exactly what most \"journalism\" is, these days.", "Right, they never say a peep about sismic engineering in these either.", "> I'm an architect. I think 3D printed walls will have it's place in the construction world. But like all other building materials in the world, it will just HAVE IT'S PLACE, not save the world.\n\nThe problem with that attitude is that someone eventually will have the 'save the world' technology and you'll be against it.\n\nFor instance, hydroponic tiered multiple story buildings is most likely the 'save the world' way of growing food for city-dwellers in the future. No one has figured out a single major problem with them, other than of course costs and 'buy in' since its a newer tech. India will likely see an explosion in efficiency if they start implementing this tech into their urban areas, since they're primarily veggie eaters.", "As cars, no they aren't. They are just the best electric cars out there. That is rapidly changing, but that was always Elon's goal anyway. Shame the big automakers into changing and it worked. Certainly better than Google fiber's attempt to do the same to the ISP industry.", "She got a ton of backlash for the container home videos. I will admit I also sent her a passionate, hopefully less assholey but forceful response on youtube, for her to look deeper into the purpose and flexibility of container homes. I'm a huge fan of them and truly do believe they are part of the future of building homes. There is a reason why Gen Z and Millenials are loving the idea of tiny homes and container homes as a way to get into the housing market for a lot cheaper.\n\nThe advantages of container homes is that as your income rises and your needs change, you are able to add more containers to your property that can expand your home without jumping through a million hoops in terms of permits and other annoying things that involve wood-built homes. Steel pre-fab is just such an incredible idea for long lasting structures(which OP video does mention in a different context.) Tons of other perks to container homes that are too numerous to get into here.\n\nI do appreciate her viewpoint though. The way she approaches subjects though is noticeably... not american? and that probably puts a lot of people off.", "I took her statement about specialists being the designers of the \"print\" machine, not the operators.\n\nI know two companies have already released updated \"printers\", which now rent for a higher price, which coincides with the topic of non-disclosed costs.\n\nIf these companies run like any of the other rentals out there, it's almost impossible to rent older versions because they're removed from the market, ensuring only the higher priced models can be rented.", "I work in IT and I have picked up something similar over the years. The 80/20 rule: you spend 20% of your time on 80% of the work and 80% of your time on 20% of the work.\n\nEdit! I didn't realize that it has a name! Thanks /u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE !", "It's assumed to be some weird youtube algorithm thing. Her shipping container video got a TON of negative heat on it. So youtube algo picked up the amount of back and forth heated comments on the video, and picked up google searches with her name and channel, and thus recommended it to a bunch of people.\n\nI also found her earlier this week as a 'recommended video' section on youtube. I'm a big container home proponent and fan, so her perspective has been... interesting.", "She has tons of flaws to her arguments. I give her credit though she does try to get things right from 'her perspective' on how she frames issues.", "Most likely we will see someone improve the technology and they will start with a rebar built structure.", "Do NOT let her video convince you that container homes aren't the wave of the future. They absolutely are. Many of her negative points have already been addressed by the container home industry, and specifically a lot of her framing has different needs than the way a person that wants a container home.", "The problem with trying to solve humanitarian issues by means of private enterprise is that there’s no profit to be made helping people. “Capitalism is a dirty business” -Niko Bellic,circa 2008", "No offense here but I don’t think it’ll hold for a long time with only cement and without any bricks", "> folding container house frame\n\nThese don't look that good for most climates and most real world daily usages for families. Interesting idea though.", "Put condoms on your feat before puttning your feet into shoes . Your shoes will never smell", "3D printed solar frickiń roadways", "That was funny for the first half, but it became so much like my day-to-day duties it stopped being funny.", "What they need to do is build more like lego and stop the need for homes to look pretty. Just prefabricated modules with a fixed number of rooms at a fixed layout. Then you can provide homes in small, medium and large.", "Right, if you've set up a reliable electricity supply first and prepped things in advance, 3D printing might be useful. Especially when you're building multiple units in the same neighborhood.\n\nBut in that case, it might be even cheaper to build prefab parts in a factory and ship them to the site. Volume production in a factory decreases cost. More importantly, it makes everything much faster and higher quality, because in a printed house someone still has to install doors and windows and wiring and pipes and do a lot of finishing, all of which requires on site labor and expertise. Whereas a factory already has skilled people working at each of these things on a large scale.", "> Recycled Plastic bricked pathways!\n\nDon't these work but it's a matter of costs?", "This guy says elsewhere that reinforcement is usually only used because walls arent very 'strong' but they get avoid this by just using really 'strong' concrete lol. Deathtraps.", "I don't think it is quite the same. This technology is not fundamentally bad, it just not right yet. We usually are willing to pay for labor and don't have soo much time. 3D printed concrete structures will be feasible when we have the time but labor is expensive. I think it is an idea that came too early... in 100 years it will make more sense", "Well not when you could have even less emission by removing fossil fuel and use nuclear energy as your main source, and renewables as a local/off the grid, alternatives to Hydro.", "Project Managers: \"9 months to deliver a baby? That's too long. What if we had 9 women? They should be able to do it in a month, right?\"", "All it says is this: \"3.2. Reinforcement.\nPrintable cementitious mortars are inherently brittle. Their failure behavior is characterized by a low ratio of tensile to compressive strength, and low ultimate tensile strain compared to their fracture strain. To nevertheless obtain safe structural behavior, existing ap- proaches from conventional concrete construction are being adapted and new innovative strategies are being developed [113]. The un- certainties associated with the quality of the interfaces between layers render this even more important for additively manufactured concrete as compared to conventional cast concrete.\"", "Well, you're talking just the structure here, not the finishing work. I work for a large homebuilder. Depending on the region you buy one of our homes in, most of the framing is done in sections in a factory. It gets loaded onto trucks, brought to the site and dropped off. It takes a day to put it all together. \n\n\nThe real time spent is on all the other stuff - plumbing, electrical, drywall, flooring, painting, etc.", "They might simply decide to not engage in work in those zones.", "\"Thinking about that time a fellow marine realized I had a bachelors and asked me where the sun went when it rained\"", "Everyone gets new tires designed to clean & polish the road, rather than grip them, duh. Think tires made out of swiffer wet jets.", "A lot of whishfull magical thinking in your comments. \n\n1) \"Labor cost\" is what makes people buy homes. But anyway if you have to pay for renting a printing machine and hiring supervision, you aren't making any cuts, except of the employee are payed like shit. In this case you and the economy lose in the long run. \n\n2)You can already pour and build a wall of reinforced concrete in today's tech, with less bullshit, in 24h. \n\n3) Reinforcement of fiber will not permit to build high structures. So you'll need labor or another machine to install metal reinforcement, then pour concret, \"3d print\" it, the gain would be minmal in that sense and a manual worker will have to check each reinforcement...\n>The smoothening of surfaces, well this is standard for interiors. All houses are plastered. The exterior being plastered isn't uncommon either.\n\nWhich demands labors, and more time. Hence the stupidity of the labor/time argument. \n\n4) The US is not short on labor, millions are unemployed. The labor market and wages being shitty, people just don't want to come to work for people that don't aknowledge their value and consider them as cost to reduce to the max. \n\n5) And by what magical elements of a no existing reality will concrete become a sustainable ressource ? Its' mere existence is emitting waste and pollution, not to mention it's other negative externalities (regarding heat emmission, isolation etc...) and the fact that it is not reusable in any way once it's cured. \n\n>Heck construction companies are actually setting up factories where they can build off site thousands of houses in a protected environment and just ship those off as a lego set.\n\nLike they where doing since the 50.", "Yeah, my understanding was that their primary gains in speed in tunnel boring is that they are boring smaller tunnels.", "I mean, we are comparing it to a container house. This might not be stackable to 20+ like containers, but it can stack, comes insulated, wired and with doors/windows fitted before shipping. and takes up 1/8th the space than a container.", "The algorithm, praise be, seems to highly focus on interaction. Downvoting, upvoting, commenting, whatever. The more you interact with the video the higher up the suggested list it goes. \n\n\nI'd also assume that her videos are classified under the same sort of demographic as people who would watch things like Tom Scott, which I get the impression that reddit users skew towards.", "I never saw a YouTube video of 3d printed homes and thought “man I would really want one of those.”", "Oh God, it is so real. It hurts.", "You see that will have its place in the world and it could solve some problems but not save the world. India is mostly veggie but other places not so much. And a building can not alone change the diet patterns of a culture. Just like the video I'm saying architects need to humble themselves and realize that our work is a part of the picture that is at the will of culture", "I mean, I'm not going to say NO to solar or wind plants. They are preferable to coal/oil/gas. They certainly have their place. But if the amount of pollution (CO2 and otherwise) and environmental destruction required to build, run, and maintain a solar or wind farm from start to end of life is more than that of a nuclear power plant for the same amount of power, I'll take nuclear. \n\n\nNuclear, of course, has two main issues. Cost and what happens if there's a catastrophic failure. Cost is largely due to nobody really building them anymore so there's not the knowledge and materials to build them, as well as general fear of them throwing up roadblocks all along the way. As for catastrophic failure, modern reactors are much better designed and some modern designs cannot fail the sort of way we've seen happen in the past. People also ignore the damage something like a coal plant does on a daily basis.\n\nSolar and wind can benefit environmental impact wise on improvements in production, but you still have issues with land usage as well as having to deal with the sun not shining and the wind not blowing. There's certain ways to deal with that, but that just drives up cost both financially and environmentally. \n\n\nThis is a long and roundabout way of me saying that it looks like the preferable situation is to have nuclear generators for the base power supply with things like solar and wind to supplement locally, especially to allow for some play in the grid. Say the power goes out in your neighborhood - solar panels on your roof can help get you through the outage.", "It is fiber reinforced usually. Still not as strong as rebar reinforcement but it is pretty strong once set.\n\nYou could probably not 3d print a tower block, but for 1 or 2 floor homes it is plenty strong.", "I dont get why every new innovation will cure cancer, solve world hunger, end homlessness and so on.", "I said I'm not having the argument because people who think Tesla doesn't spend money on marketing or give soft bribes when the entire industry does are plainly idiots, and there's nothing you can say or show them to convince them otherwise, they're just here to defend their MLM club, so I'm not going to spar with them to their satisfaction, because it's exhausting. Tesla fanbois aren't going to be convinced by anything. I'd have to point to patterns of behavior over the years, things like giveaways that pumpers won, beta access, plainly biased reporting, 'leaks' coming from the same people at convenient times over and over again, Tesla hiring Uber's notoriously invasive security and PR/Opposition research team. I pointed to people who would show them exactly what and why and then show them the door: r/RealTesla \n\nI could spend all day going point by point and they wouldn't have the attention span or patience for it either. Fuck you. I don't owe you or anyone else my time.", "Yes totaly. My point.", "My 20+ year old wood framed home seems to be doing fine. Comparing anything new to something 200 years old will be affected by survivorship bias", "If you scour the dead skin off your feet the bacteria that makes your shoes smell bad will have less to eat. Just make sure there isn’t any dead skin from your feet callusing over.", "I see you don't understand the concept of \"burden of proof\", learn something new today kid", "Are you my dad? Our bathroom was tore down to studs for my entire high school career before my mom forced him to get a contractor to come in.", "It’s frustrating on the other end too, when your employer drops a massive amount of money to replace a functional product they wanted to get rid of because that company increased their prices slightly (a fraction of the cost of the new product). The new product doesn’t fit with your requirements, but was sold on the idea of a few interesting features that don’t even work properly in our environment. Results in people not being able to easily do what they used to, whilst refusing to use the frankly useless new product.", "Is there a standard size for a tunnel? Couldn't they have made the machine, which I assume has a limit on the how big a tunnel it makes, go faster and be more efficient.", "Not really a standard size, but you are normally boring tunnels to fit trains or multiple lanes of traffic with some extra width for emergency pedestrian access/evacuation. The boring musk has been doing is just wide enough for a car. \n\n\nFrom what I have seen from Musk, his comparisons of how much faster they can bore is comparing it to those much larger tunnels.", "is anyone surprised to hear that a bunch of concrete walls doesnt really make a \"home\"?", "Are there Universities that don't provide free access to pretty much all journals?", "Got em", "Yeah they’re great. I’m super jealous", "A section includes its subsections. There’s 3.2.1 and 3.2.2", "Yes, and we’re working on it. Here’s all the ways how, with links for the results.", "I know of one that doesn’t, at least not easy access. For mine, you have access to most journals just by being on their wifi", "Hah yeah I was considering linking to that very video! Love Technology Connections.\n\nAnother good one that's more specific to energy is from [vlogbrothers](https://youtu.be/BBMC2_2BDxg) about natural gas.\n\nThe interesting aspect when talking about \"green\" aspects is that \"green\" is much too vague of a term. \n\nWind turbines produce a ton of physical waste (fiberglass blades). So in that sense they're not very \"green\". But they don't burn fuel and don't produce emissions, so in that sense they are very \"green\"\n\nAs Hank points out, it depends on what you view as the bigger problem. And I'm with him; climate change is the MUCH more important problem to tackle. And to tackle it, we're going to have to accept some damage to the environment in other ways.", "Unreinforced masonry kills people during earthquakes when the roofs fall in and the walls collapse. Mostly adobe bricks and \"cinder blocks\"", "It’s all dads, i exaggerate a little tho, most things are finished except for some baseboards and transition strip that our new puppy chewed on", "Container homes?", "Seems like they could solve this problem pretty easily with some steel rods connecting the concrete to the foundation and reinforcing the higher structure. Like cinderblock construction, but less work.", "People are weird with repeaters, even in mesh networks. You have to remember that boosting a shit signal is just boosting shit signal. \n\nFor a normal home, you need to get those APs closer or move them where there's less obstruction between the APs. And always consider that you may need to run network cables between them for max speed and reliability.", "You guys should check out some American construction shows. It's likely you're comparing shitty American builders to crappy foreign builders. Matt Risinger has a good show where he travels around looking at new building technology and how it's being used.", "Yes. Totally reinforced my own view on the matter. Always fluff that confirmation bias.", "He probably is involved with selling these things so he can’t open himself up to competing views lol", "I have one customer who got like 15 google wifi pucks all around the huge stone house with stone interior walls and Gigabit internet become useless. The way they were placed, they were leap-frogging the connection from each other. The worst location you can get like 2Mpbs at the most. \n\nUp in investigation house was wired with CAT5's for the phone. \nTook out all the unmanageable google wifi and installed some better AP all around wired.", "To summarize every argument she's made in the first 3 minutes:\n> There is an issue with journalists saying '3d printed home' when what they are describing is just the 3d printed portion", "Ok, so I took structural concrete 18 years ago and been out of the industry for 12 so. . I don't remember everything. But, from memory, the increased cure rate traps water away from every particle so some of the mix never properly reacts to create the bonds. .from memory.", "The 'Mythical Man Month' in practice.", "I have seen a wire feeder added but didn’t look like it would pass muster. \n\nWith reinforced concrete in seismic zones you essentially need a steel structure tied together inside the concrete.\n\nIt’s possible but what does that look like and at what extra cost?", "To be honest I was hoping for a reply. But it is what it is. I'm going to mark this and in about two years circle back. I've got a big development coming.", "Welcome to Texas, yeeehaaaw.", "Sounds like a good Ubiquiti candidate.", "I mean, that's really what the pareto principle is saying in the first place. That people misjudge the relative size of work by appearances.\n\nWriting code seems like it would be the biggest part of making a computer application. Turns out that testing that application in environments with real data ends up being just as much work, if not more work.", "I'm not going to mention any names of crappy American builders, but one of their names rhymes with Dr Whoreton", "OK sure, for the biggest of the big Tesla tubers, maybe* Tesla does stuff like that? But none of the ones I've watched have ever gotten anything directly from Tesla, as far as I'm aware. \n\nThere was a big referral program a few years ago, which helped a lot drive the initial wave of Teslatubers, but none of the rewards from that program were \"soft bribes\" as you've said. They were \"thank you\"s for driving actual sales of Tesla vehicles, back when they were still struggling to survive. Plus, the program's been over for years, and people still make dozens or hundreds of videos a day about Tesla anyway.", "Cars with a few issues that get blown massively out of proportion are still capable of being \"outstanding\".", "I don't see how \"3D printing\" layer upon layer of concrete like that is actually any faster than pouring concrete into a mold. I think concrete poured into molds might also be more structurally sound since it would cure all at once as opposed to layer by layer.", "The wiki on it doesn’t say anything I could see about that definition, it says that 80% of outcomes stem from 20% of causes. 80% of sales come from 20% of customers, 80% of wealth is owned by the top 20% of earners, 80% of time and resources is spent marketing to 20% of web traffic, etc. You can’t apply that to a linear progression, like building a house or writing code. Things just take how long they take, that is a misuse of the principle.", "Sorry, I'm in transit on business for a week, and it's a PDF on my home computer. I will dig that out and DM you soon as I get a chance.", "Realistically probably somewhere in between. I was on a build for a wounded veteran project and it was a big pr stunt. This was a decade ago and I left before it was 100% complete so not sure how much they got done but yeah, structure for sure.", "I've done a small home addition that was prefabricated. It wasn't easier to wire than new construction, not at all, but it saved some time on framing and insulating the walls, the customer had to have the walls trucked from the factory and a crane to set them.\n\nI'm curious if it saved any money or time on the project, start to finish though. \nWindows, doors had to be installed yet, as well as roof trusses and then shingles, and blown in insulation above the ceiling in the attic space", "Ready to set set our pitchforks alight at a moments notice", "More like so of those skilled trades are labor time intensive.\n\n although recently with the pandemic/Texas freeze/supply shortage the cost of materials has had a substantial effect on building material prices such if steel, copper, PVC, lumber, resins for plastics like junction boxes, circuit breakers etc.", "Ahoy!\n\n----E", "My house was built in 1885 wood framed in the upper Midwest US.\n\nno structural issues with it, the difference between my home and modern wood framed is that modern homes are built to a better standard with structural loads being supported by beefier dimensional lumber, better insulation.", "How do you guys deal with the lack of internal reinforcement? Most of the images I've seen don't look like they have fiberglass in the mix.\n\nAdditionally, do the walls have to be placed on traditional flatwork or is the machine capable of laying the top of a slab too?", "How do these buildings pass code without rebar in the walls? Have you done earthquake and hurricane certifications yet. What makes this better than a leave in place ICF house?", ">Your schtick is to change the argument to something it wasn’t\n\nI didn't change anything. \n\n>confidently say things which are easily verifiable as false.\n\nYou didn't verify shit. I'm still correct.", "lol, whatever dude, I don't know if you believe you're correct or just spewing more bs, but either way, it doesn't matter to me what someone like you thinks you know.", "Cool they make great cars. Still makes zero sense to volunteer your time so that a company with a market cap in the hundreds of billions led by a billionaire owner can make a deadline. Seems pretty binary to me.", "I remember seeing this years ago, and it hurts so much. I hate it. I really hate it. It's too damn close to reality.", "I was just talking about once the concrete is poured. The prep time on a foundation before that can take a day or two itself, depending on the size. You need to excavate the ground, compact it, and then lay down a bed of sand or gravel (or both) before you put down any concrete.", "Yeah pretty much my take too. She's very... opinionated and controversy follows that when you go against the mainstream opinions on stuff.", "Someone should make a machine that spits out precast concrete panels and deliver that on site.", "Wait i thought we were talking about the issues the cars have?", "I think that may be why it's off-putting for me. The adversarial framing of her perspective, makes leaving out the whole truth seem dishonest. It might be those clickbait YouTube titles putting my into that mindset though.", "You responded to my comment about how ridiculous I felt it was that someone would volunteer their time to help out a valuable, for profit business. My response to you was that the cars are not “outstanding”, certainly not to the point where you’d freely volunteer labor.", "Exactly! They don't even go into what isn't true about 3d printed concrete... The whole thing is just eerily familiar to A.I created content. I guess the capital \"LIES\" in the title should have given away its just poorly produced clickbait lol", "1) let's go with the middle, we don't know. I do know how much it costs to lay bricks for 1 m2 and more importantly, how hard it is to get labour and as said, my labour will work only at daytime at best. This machine can run 24x7. It will cut site cost massively. Construction for the main contractor is being cut and condensed as much as possible to reduce site costs. This will be a major impact.\n\n2) No you can't, you can prefab walls but there is no such thing as pouring a wall and take away the casting within 24 hours. Floors even prestressed is 1 week to set. Walls are less but can't bare any load.\n\n3) Reinforcement of fiber are already being used in highrise but you see it seldom because of cost. The smoothening walls is happening right now as we speak, so walls being printed or made of bricks, always are plastered. Unless you use prefab low quality HSB walls. There is zero difference for this between any method.\n\n4) Even while there is no shortage in labour, you can't get them. We deploy hundreds of people and literally build off site housing for them because it's hard to get. \n\n5) Concrete is sustainable, if you want too. It depends on the plant, Lafarge but also Heidelberg in Europe (as well US I believe) are carbon neutral.\n\nAnd no in the 50's they were not prefabricating whole houses, we deployed hundreds/thousands of people to ramp up production. Off site prefabricating houses isn't novel, but entirely off site to deploy in under a week is.", "It must be weird seeing no shades of gray.", "> but none of the rewards from that program were \"soft bribes\" as you've said. They were \"thank you\"s for driving actual sales of Tesla vehicles,", "> and constantly exposed to extreme wear and tear that would damage them and necessitate constant and expensive repairs?\n\nYou're saying relatively new technology that works questionably consistently even in optimal environments are not an adequate replacement for the toughest material human engineering has come up with in decades of extensive automotive travel? You oughta be kidding me! But ma solar roadways! The green revolution of roads producing zero energy but being impassable three quarters of the year!", "Page 12, it's called 'conclusion.'", "There's a huge difference there. The referral program rewarded actual sales, after they happened. Not \"well, you big upped Tesla, which will probably drive some sales our way, so we'll help you out\". A bribe is quid-pro-quo: we'll give you this money, then you go do a thing for us. The order is reversed for Tesla's referral rewards: they already drove sales to Tesla, so Tesla rewards them for it.\n\nYou had to get 50 actual people to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars each and take delivery of a Tesla to get the promise for a free Roadster, whenever those end up being made. Other rewards were a $500 wall-mounted charger for one referral, a free set of expensive rims and tires (5 referrals), and really early on you could get Powerwalls for I think 10 referrals each (a ~$14,000 value). Something along those lines.", "I swear I think autocorrect keeps fucking me over...", ">I don't know if you believe you're correct \n\nI know I'm correct.\n\nSand is not a necessity for concrete production. That's a fucking fact. You could spend 30 seconds on Google educating yourself, instead of being a willfully ignorant fool.", "It's time for the mornin' barn-raisin'.", "See, like I said, you strawman.\n\nThe argument wasn’t about the need for sand in concrete, the argument was about whether desert sand could be used in concrete. And you said:\n\n> Which in no way disqualifies it from construction use.\n\nWhich is absolutely wrong. You could spend 30 seconds on Google educating yourself, instead of being a willfully ignorant fool.", ">Which is absolutely wrong.\n\nNo the fuck it isn't. \n\nYou can absolutely use desert sand. As well as crushed clay, gravel, fly ash, slag, and a dozen other materials. It merely requires an adjustment of the formula, or an additive. \n\nThe only material required for concrete is (portland) cement. Which is far, far, far more scarce than fucking sand.", "Many places do not build wooden homes for a variety of reasons.", "Wow I think everyone on Reddit has had the exact same algorithmic push. I also got introduced to both these channels a few days ago", "Thats the best insult u got? Damn ur weak", "I don’t ever start any of my DIY remodeling. Makes life easier and less stressful", "It could be fiber reinforced. It wouldn't be as strong as rebar reinforced but it would be less likely to crack later on." ]	694	videos	Debunking LIES about 3D printed concrete houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MhsY5_dAlg	/r/videos/comments/qc4luo/passing_corners_level_leszek_kuzaj/	[ "Damn that is some speed. So dangerous to be so close, everyone getting their adrenaline rush", "Fucking ad was longer than the video. What sort of cunt monetizes that", "Time for an ad blocker, friend. I recommend ublock origin.", "Some Group B level of spectator safety.", "and youtube vanced for our Android" ]	5	videos	Passing corners - level: Leszek Kuzaj
https://youtu.be/gVpkcr3qM0k	/r/videos/comments/qc4vpt/2023_range_rover_leak/	[ "There’s still time to make it look better 🗿🗿", "I agree there can be some improvements. The electric feel rear end makes it very unusual but it is kind of gaining on me. Your thoughts?", "Agreed, the more i look at it the more it grows on me. Looks a little long for my taste. I drive a big vehicle for work so i prefer my personal car to be small", "You should see how every new iteration of the Land Rovers discoveries has been getting uglier and uglier since the LR3" ]	4	videos	2023 Range Rover Leak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90N8w69Sqlk	/r/videos/comments/qc4yy7/guy_builds_an_autonomous_boat_and_sends_it_on_a/	[ "That is a really weird thing to bring up in the comment section of a wholesome video.", "😂 Yeah or that's just the weird place your mind went with it, and it's not how the \"worldwide audience\" is going to see it.", "Love it! Thanks for sharing this.", "Maybe you should relax", "You're right, suicide bomb boats are a real life issue we should worry about", "RC technology has been around for ages. This is not an instructional video on how to build an RC bomb. This is not an example of the dangers of AI.\n\nWe can't just not make cool shit because maybe it would give terrorists a good idea. We didn't stop flying planes after 9/11. Just fucking relax man. Constantly worrying about terrorism to the point where you would bring it up in a comment section like this is exactly how the terrorists win.\n\nHonestly you may want to seek professional help for this level of anxiety you seem to have. It's good to be aware of things like terrorism and climate change, but this level presence of mind about them could be unhealthy.", "That was fun!", "It’s the HSS Banana Slug!", "Sure thing! He actually does a lot of cool stuff like this in most of his videos. They’re really interesting", "Well that was unexpectedly fun. Thanks", "Please don't send it to us in Philadelphia. You won't get it back.", "Sure thing! The video he released just before this one (about a week ago) is even better. He builds a tugboat that drags him for about 20 miles in his kayak. His friend writes a couple of sea shanty songs for that video that are hilarious. It’s worth a watch if you have the time", "Oh my god shut the fuck up", "seems like a great way to smuggle drugs if you build enough of them", "God I love the song 🤣", "LoL, what a Pablo.", "Hey its rcstestflight, been watching this guy's videos for a while, he always has great stuff and very cool ideas. Definitely learn a lot from his work. I loved that recent one where he teamed up with another guy to make an autonomous ekranoplan!", "I was not expecting an original soundtrack.", "Any info on the build? Im interested in what kind of radio was used for the telemetry.", "But they delivered", "This guy just earned himself another subscriber.", "“What college is this for?”\n\n“No college. I’m just a nerd.”", "The voice and song writing reminds me of You Suck At Cooking channel on YouTube.", "I bet he still has 30 pounds in the tyres :)", "That poor hitchhiking robot made it around the world but didn't last one day in Philly lol", "That channel has the best soundtrack for the last few episodes.", "Here's the link for [the previous tugboat video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFhsh4V8SZA) for the lazy", "Yeah, his other stuff is great, too. I've always been into RC stuff. If money and time somehow fall on my lap, I think I'd spend most of it on toys like autonomous boats.", "Yeah this one was epic, I was like ok... gonna watch for a few minutes and move on. I watched the whole thing.", "This is why we can't have nice things.", "Yes, there are a couple videos of him making it and testing it before this one. They’re worth checking out for sure", "Found my next YouTube project channel to follow!", "I really enjoyed that! I hate you had to deal with getting stuck but I guess it gave you something to do!", "I could probably watch more videos to find the answer, but what's with the rudder fan? Redundant propulsion in case of seaweed snags?", "It's already being done.", "“Hulllo…it’s 3am and I was here last night…”\n\nDude, it still is last night.", "[Too much work, just hire some turtles.](https://i.redd.it/fynnvb9m8q741.jpg)", "Now you got me binge watching his videos", "Hah, [\"At least I got chicken (mush)\"](https://youtu.be/90N8w69Sqlk?t=1239) :D Appropriate after that Leroy Jenkins into the dust tracks!", "I think the issue was, that the turning capabilities of the propellers + rudder setup wasn't reliable or he wanted to make sure it can still propell itself, if the propellers get entangled with seaweed", "TIL the phrase type 2 fun. I know exactly what he meant after he said it but I've never heard it said before yet experienced it plenty!", "Love it OP! Man that dust where he got stuck is the finest ive ever seen anywhere" ]	42	videos	Guy builds an autonomous boat and sends it on a 30 mile GPS mission. Guy has his own crazy adventures trying to track and follow boat on said mission.
https://youtu.be/MAwtM_aq-1U	/r/videos/comments/qc5t6x/ten_mysteries_of_venus/	[ "Obviously Venus formed when Cronus chopped off Uranus’ dick to stop him from raping Gaia and his blood and semen gathered in sea foam. Mystery solved.", "Are questions and mysteries the same thing now?", "What about the mysteries of Uranus?", "where is the vault of glass" ]	4	videos	Ten Mysteries of Venus
https://youtu.be/BWGypZmGILs	/r/videos/comments/qc614k/a_beach_in_an_island/	[ "Not even in the video", "A beach in an island? What the hell? This was a compilation video ie as many stolen video clips you can squeeze into a 4 minute video, and the last 15 seconds of that 4 minute video was \"a beach in an island\".\n\nDon't post stuff like this. Do better. Be better.", "Well, technically, it was at 3:40, a whole 10-15 seconds of \"beach in an island\". Still sucked ass, though." ]	3	videos	A beach in an island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqDbb7-dn9A	/r/videos/comments/qc69t7/matt_berrys_boyfriend_sketches_from_snuff_box/	[ "Whiskey!", "this feels very weird without the laughter.", "What laughter? Snuff Box doesn't have a laugh track/audience laughter.", "Aha! You've outed yourself as a yank; it's actually spelt \"whisky!\"\n\n(Don't tell anyone, but I'm also a yank 👀)\n\nEdit: as has been pointed out, Ireland also spells it with an \"e,\" which I totally forgot. I am ashamed.", "Imagine needing to be told when to laugh.", "haha omg, it's like he's only nice to women if they're sexually available to him! so fresh.", "Or Irish! We spell it whiskey here.", "Whisky is Scottish, Whiskey is Irish.", "Seeing it once was funny as you don't expect such a radical shift in his character. All in a row though these really don't work for me.", "Bat!", "Yeahhh, that's the idea they were parodying... And why use 'So fresh'? It's a ten year old clip of 15 year old show.", "[The incredible story of Jackie Daytona](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV5YOunWWc)", "With dignity and HHHoNoR!!!", "FFAAAAATHHHHHEEEEERRRRRRR!\n\nUNHAND ME PRIEST! Where is your God? Where is your God now!", "so tight braj.", "That's because when you write good comedy you don't need it. Have you ever watched big bang theory without the laugh track. It's horrific.", "Honestly I could watch this for hours. Matt Berry's voice just cracks me up every time", "I hope you're joking.", "Matt Berry's voice is so soothing haha. It's like velvet.", "Edit: God DAMN these electric sex pants!", "It sounds like no one is \"sexually available\" to you. Nice or not.", "Congratulations on not getting the joke.", "It also depends how it was filmed. Some comedies are filmed in front of a live audience, theatre style, in which case laughter is a natural part of the performance, which would be odd to cut out, regardless of writing quality. Snuffbox wasn't filmed in front of an audience, hence no laughter. To give a different example, IT Crowd was great and it had laughter, because there was an audience in the studio.", "“Look at that woman over there”", "[https://www.avclub.com/snuff-box-was-too-dark-for-tv-and-too-smart-for-youtube-1798273231](https://www.avclub.com/snuff-box-was-too-dark-for-tv-and-too-smart-for-youtube-1798273231)", "You know I don't think I've ever looked in this drawer.\n\n...WOW! A gun!", "I'm sure there are exceptions nut for the most part, but if the whisk(e)y's country of origin has an \"E\" in it, then so does their whiskey! \n\nUnited States: Whiskey\n\nIreland: Whiskey\n\nScotland: Whisky\n\nCanada: Whisky", "I couldn't imagine a more awkward situation than someone I'd just met whipping out their phone and playing several minutes of well-known comedy sketches at me", "Lmao calm down reddit", "The absolute state of American comedy", "Aha, good point! I believe Japan also calls their spirit \"whisky,\" so I suppose that fits as well. I could be wrong about that though.", "“You and he were….buddies weren’t you?”\n\n\nGod bless Garth Merenghi’s Darkplace. Truly the best and most underrated TV show of all time. Gave us both Matt Berry and Richard Ayoade.", "If you don't laugh he yells 'fuck you!' and kicks you in the nuts.", "God I need to get back into this show!", "When in his rapid escape he punted the totally unrelated second dog for no reason was the real kicker", "That's because you know how to act in social situations.", "Wow my grandfather's old service revolver. Think of all the deserters he shot with this.", "Snuff Box is my favorite comedy show of all time. It only ran 6 episodes, but it's worth a binge watch.", "[Hey, don't I know you from somewhere?](https://youtu.be/iVoC6-01-UI)", "Kicking the second dog is the best part for me", "eRRecTED’D", "then go listen to his albums. they're very good.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/xCijk4qmu7I", "You know he's recorded like ten music albums eh.", "Nnnnouuuu?", "It’s Reddit. Everyone is an American until proven otherwise.", "Even if you haven’t seen it before, it’s kinda weird. I’ve definitely done it as a kind of third date thing, and it’s usually a good indicator of things working out.", "Well I'm the boss. Head honcho. Numero uno. Mr. Big. The Godfather. Lord of the rings. The Bourne Identity.... Taxi driver. Jaws.", "First off, I love Big Bang. It was one of the first shows to showcase actual nerd humor on tv. Sure, the characters are a bit weird, but the science humor is on point. Second, shows with a laugh track add a ton of space for the laughter (since most are filmed live and those are actual people laughing, this is pretty reasonable since actors don’t want to talk over it). If you tighten up the blank spaces so the comedy has proper timing, it works just fine.", "Much like SNL, they take a single concept and run with it without fleshing anything else out or mixing in any other jokes. This was fresh when it came out ages ago to be fair.", "This is the correct answer", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee6qxFaGmtM", "I still say \"Fuck you. WHISKAY!\"", "This kind of absurdly rude character just kills me", "Reposted about once a year but always worth a laugh", "Matt Berry saying \"Fuck you!\" slays me. Every. Time.", "Came here to say bat but got beaten to it...", "This rop-folly I have erecteeedeeeh", "Me too, but sometimes when this gets reposted there are people who unironically defend the guy. They think it's funny because he \"calls women out on their BS\". Apparently, they should know that guys only volunteer to help them out because they want to get some.", "The immediate and resentful “FUCK YOU” at the utterance of the word “boyfriend” was the perfect encapsulation of ages 18-32 for me.", "You're not wrong!", "I lost my shit when he punted the second dog.", "Matt Berry is one of my favorite actors. The man is SO damn talented. \n\n\nI can't be in love, if it's plastic....", "I always cry laughing at the funeral scene in the first episode. Richard Ayoade is sharp as a tack and one hell of an actor", "I wonder if it’s loaded!\n\nput gun in mouth and pulls trigger several times", "\"I can't be in love if it's plastic!\"", "Not particularly a Matt Berry comedy fan (nothing against him, just not really watched much of his stuff) but I stumbled across some of his songs not long ago. Did not expect them to be so good and totally my cup of tea. The chap is musically genuinely gifted, imo.", "The dog bit is pretty bad, but I still snicker.", "I feel this", "Kicker. Heh heh..", "I came here for this", "Here's a bit of Snuff Box for everyone who says rape jokes are never funny. Extremely NSFW: https://youtu.be/iVoC6-01-UI", "The third season is out!", "I like both of his sides. but I agree with you that his comedy is, in my opinion, much more hit or miss.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-ZGP68-3w\n\nThat is all.", "And it's REALLY good", "I swear to God, I've seen this exact comment atleast 5 times on reddit regarding this", "Thank you! I know what I'm watching tonight!", "I would have ended it with him helping an old lady cross the street only for her to mention that she has a husband.", "Bill from workaholics WTF?", "Lol", "Yeah, we're not unique.", "Heh, maybe it's just one of those things (Berry's music) that makes some people do a sort of double take. \n\nI'm pretty indifferent to Berry as a comedian, but I ended up putting his tunes on heavy rotation when I stumbled across them. It was a very pleasant surprise.", "Some of the comedy is lost in watching the compilation because a big chunk of it comes from the fact that you don't know the sketch is happening until the fuck you bit.", "You’re correct", "Best bit by far.", "Hey, enjoy! I havent checked him out, but i prob will at some point.", "yet not the same.", "I've been putting off checking them out, I know they'll immediately make me fall in love with him.", "Spelt is an ancient wheat grain. Spelled is what you're looking for.\n\nedit: I blame my parents", "Been a while since this has been posted, I quote it almost daily.", "I am shocked no one has mentioned Toast of London yet!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/mFLJ7Fx-jFQ\n\nAlso on American Netflix last time I checked. Apparently they will bring in Matt Berry for a Toast goes to Hollywood version at some point in the future.\n\nhttps://variety.com/2021/tv/global/matt-berry-toast-bbc-hollywood-1234904787/", "shrugs", "Didn't Black Books and The IT Crowd have laugh tracks?", "Thank you for reminding me that I need to finally check this show out and I’m starting it now.", "You're right, and I loved both those shows. It's just not as prolific outside of US. Just breaking balls man.", "God I love these. I've watched them so many times but they never get old. This is one of my favorites, and very fitting this week. [\"I want a computer that looks like a computer, not a fucking cigarette case!\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tsfh1GNvpQ)", "There's someone at the door, there's someone at the door, there's someone at the door...", "Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango.", "I love that guy, he played well as the pig voice in disenchanted", "Well, well, well,\n\nIf it isn’t Steven Toast", "'I am a man of seeeeexxx!", "Human form!", "The Diary episode where Rich makes fun of him as a kid getting caught jerking off looking at a map of Scotland is the funniest shit ever!", "I love these clips.", "Removed a month or so ago, sadly. At least I was able to give it one last binge watch beforehand.", "England would be the glaring exception here, I think.", "Matt berry is incredible.", "I forgot the question quite a while back, who are you?", "that's his masterpiece", "se ven facheros", "You can actually hear the chords from this song in the sketch.", "Ray Bloody Purchase", "I came over there for that...", "Heh heh..kicker..", "he's not having any of it", "I showed this to a girl I was dating and she never dated me again.", "Definitely one of the most memorable from the IT Crowd", "I hated that he kicked the dog. But when he clipped the other one on his way back I nearly died.", "Heh kick. Heher..", "You, my friend, need to watch The Toast of London....ASAP.", "I never realized he did the intro to Toast of London!!!!!", "Even considering IT Crowd, What We Do in the Shadows, etc.\n\n... this is still Matt Barry's greatest piece of work", "Link won't load, what do I search to find whatever it is you're linking?", "Ray Bloody Purchase", "I say this with his little sashay every time I answer a knock at my door.", "Where has this been all my life?", "This is fantastic!\n\nThe third sketch even has a bit of his theme song from “toast of London “", "“Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango!”", "Have you seen his show Travel Man? Its fantastic. He and another (usually British) celebrity go on a weekend vacation to a big tourist city somewhere in the world. Its basically 25 minutes of Richard Ayoade being Richard Ayoade...", "Holy shit that doll episode killed me", "Years later and I still think this is the funniest show ever made. Nothing comes close.", "I actually discovered Matt Berry by finding [his cover of the \"Are You Being Served?\" Theme.](https://youtu.be/pinYgTWT6Ik)", "Still.. one can only dream..", "Its not really a sketch comedy show like snl though. The clips are taken out of context", "Matt Berry is a fucking gift to the world. \n\nSnuff Box, Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, and Mighty Boosh? Matt Berry in the mid 2000's was putting out fucking classics.", "If you listen very closely, one of his songs is featured in the movie Dredd. I love Dredd and Matt Berry so I was very happy", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7hhQ2k63ZU", "Currently am actually", "I have! My favorite is the one with Chris O'Dowd and the snow globe haha", "And don’t forget about Chic Tweetz", "\"Spelt\" is an acceptable form in the UK. It was part if the joke.", "Crap, just when my balls were about to fizz...", "WHISKEY!", "BLOODY PURCHASE!", "That’s for fucking my wife!", "I need to finish Toast Of London", "Halloween is the perfect time for a rewatch", "Don't forget What We Do in the Shadows.", "Oh for sure and Toast of London and Year of the Rabbit. He's done great stuff recently, I'm just saying those 3 all in the 2004-2005 span it's like pitching 3 perfect games back to back.", "Your avatar looks like Nandor.", "There’s some what* at the door?", "He’s just fucking said that!", "They would call me “Nandor the Relentless”…. Because I just never relent", "I actually thought it was way worse than the first two seasons", "Really? Interesting. We’re all entitled to our own opinions, but I’ve laughed my ass off every single episode.", "Please don’t pillage me.", "I don't like how they are trying to make Guillermo a badass he doesn't look good as one. I liked him more as a familiar. Also they are making a lot of cool plots each episode sure but the jokes aren't as good as the first two seasons IMO", "Yeah, Season 3 is good. Don't even remotely know how someone could say it's \"way worse.\" That's just mind boggling.", "No, I’m pillaging everyone, you included!", "God, I cringed again at that scene just reading this!", "Did it occur to you that having him become an accomplished vampire hunter is part of the joke? You’re right that he doesn’t look like your typical badass, but that’s exactly why it’s funny.", "Ah didn't occur to me and no don't think its funny. If it is a joke then it is a joke thats ruining the dynamic of an entire season", "Ha! I had an urge to listen to the \"Sorry!\" theme tune (which I love) and then found his TV show album - glorious!", "Both are acceptable. I hope you've taken something from this experience.", "[Never forget that the Snuff Box theme was in Dredd.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5q_JW2gkew)", "I'm doctor Sanchez! You're a woman....", "When he speaks \"French\", I have no idea what he's saying.", "Type in Snuff box rape", "I imagine that's especially true for the last bit. The whole point even.", "Fiiiire the nuclear weaponssss", "I first saw Berry in \"IT crowd\". Since then he's become one of my most favorite actors. I watched the whole of \"toast to London\" incredible show. Quickingly come to realize how many of my all time favorite shows he's been on like Aqua Teen.", "Risky search", "I should learn to ask better questions online. This one worked out, though I need a WHISKEY!", "Just one thing... May I be permitted to suggest that being interested in someone isn't strictly equivalent to \"wanting to get some\"?", "Not really. Whisky is Scotch and Whiskey is irish whiskey. They are made differently.", "Ray FUCKING Purchase!", "They were filmed in front of a live studio audience and the parts filmed on location are shown to the audience during the filming and recording in the studio.", "It’s so weird seeing this pop up on Reddit, for so many years Snuff Box felt like this secret show that hardly anyone seemed to know about. It was on stupidly late on a now defunct bbc channel and never repeated but my friends and I loved it. We even went to the launch party when it came out on dvd with the 2 actors doing new sketches live and then everyone getting drunk together. Such a fun night! I’m glad it’s getting seen more, it’s bonkers but so funny. WHISKEY!", "https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BossyIndolentIberianlynx-max-1mb.gif", "It would be nice to see men helping women just to help a human being in need and not for any other reason.\n\nIt's fine to want to impress women you are attracted to, but helping anyone in need, male or female, is what makes you decent.", "I'm not talking about whiskey here. Spelt and spelled are both acceptable.", "It's fucking genius. I'm sure most people haven't seen it and that's a shame. The combo of Matt and Rich is comedic perfection.", "Why he is just a regular human bartender!", "Right but in the sketch, Matt Berry is definitely just chasing after some pussy", "Such amazingly perfect timing. Starting the “Fuck you” line before she had even finished the word “Boyfriend” Genius", "\"Hello there, Beautiful\"\n\nold man: \"Hello...\"\n\n\"Oh piss off!\"", "All of Matt Berry's alt accounts.", "https://youtu.be/IEKaaSFGoLA", "Is this the actor from What We Do in the Shadows (tv show)?", "Well. Well. Well.", "You mean the \"Nucular Weaponsss\"", "Looks at script \n\nYES!", "Wow", "Love him on What We Do In The Shadows. Any interaction with Guillermo is gold", "I SHIT THEE NAY!", "Brick Top", "... to the exclusion of being interested in the women for other reasons.", "Some people don't understand humor.", "I’m not a priest, I’m a vicar", "[The cowboy boot saga](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWI5OksQNI) is another fave of mine from this show", "Steven, can you hear me?", "And I absolutely love the music they play throughout the show, and not just the theme song. The music at the beginning of the \"you raped me\" scene is a good example.", "No no you gotta put more emphasis into it.\n\nGod DAMN these electric sex pants!", "Fixed :)", "IRRC, the writers changed. I've definitely noticed a difference, and I didn't realize the writers changed until I searched for why this season felt so off. I can't really put my finger on why it feels so different, but it just hasn't had the same addictive quality that the other seasons had for me. It's felt really off to me this season but if you're enjoying it more then more power to you!", "I'm an idiot.", "[Son-of-a-two-balled bitch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKEQeyAJs9k)", "It’s a comedy show, not a PSA.", "What show is this?", "What We Do in the Shadows.", "Found out that Netflix is no longer showing 'Toast of London', one of my favorite shows of all time.\n\nHowever, YouTube appears to be carrying the complete series!\n\n[Toast of London on Youtube!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDOVYLQsUY&list=PLHJKEY6dUzHX1hgXs-7MKpf-a3XouFxar)", "I don't speak french, so I can only guess. But might be\n\n> Mon jalouse tu sa femme\n\nwhich google translates to \"My jealous you his wife\" or I'm guessing, \"I'm jealous you're his wife\"?", "Roger; understood.", "Uhhh these are sketches and they are comedic….?", "Yeah I get that, but he made an obvious point and i'm allowed to talk about it.", "Genius!", "Its kind of high brow comedy, you may not understand all the subtlety’s", "First off what one person finds funny others may not. Secondly, saying someone \"doesn't understand humor\" is an extremely pretentious thing to say. Thirdly, I laugh at the show. I don't laugh at drawn out \"jokes\" that do nothing but hurt an entire series overall. If you don't like my opinion then ok. But don't tell me I don't understand humor you piss snake.", "I like the quiet \"Piss off\" when that dogs owner first say hello", "This comment was funnier than the sketches. 👏" ]	222	videos	Matt Berry's Boyfriend Sketches from Snuff Box
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc7dgc/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qc7dgc/deleted_by_user/	[ "I least I can do the ice cream cone one. It's the little wins in life.", "I don't think I can forgive a portrait video that full screens to landscape on a phone.", "Started watching just out of curiosity, stayed for the music." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qc7w3i/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qc7w3i/deleted_by_user/	[ "If I would have saw this in 2019 I would have been like this lady is bat shit crazy... now I'm like what does her stock portfolio look like", "Reddit gonna downvote this like crazy. They love lockdowns", "The truth sounds more and more like fiction as the tides turn", "Hey so I'm guessing this person, who shot a video on a phone in their car, has tons of supporting information, evidence, etc.\n\nOh, no? You just \"did your own research\"?\n\nAnd so she probably has like...a degree of some kind...or...lol who am I kidding?\n\nYes, the prediction is eerie, but her idiocy is not to be lauded.", "Would need proof this was from 2019", "A broken clock is right at least twice a day. Crazy people say crazy shit all the time. One of them will predict something right eventually", "Even a nut finds a blind squirrel every once in a while.", "What a worthless little troll you are.", "so then look at the page on youtube.", "According to YouTube it was posted 2 years ago", "Hahahahahaha, I came to post EXACTLY that. :D", "George W Bush gave a big speech about needing to fund research and prepare for a pandemic flu. It’s on YouTube if you’re interested. Before COVID we’ve had Swine Flu, Bird flu, Ebola, West Nile virus knocking at our doorstep. This is nothing new.", "This can't be good for her mind.", "Health is not important to some people.", "I predict a tsunami wipes out San Francisco. For the record.", "\"I'm predicting a Pademic because experts are predicting a Pandemic\"\n\n\nMind = Blown", "You mean like mental health that the lockdowns have been especially hard on?", "I don't know man, thanks to the pandemic, I'm now working fully remote and living 1000 miles away from my office. My mental health is leagues better than before.", "You guys think she got vaccinated?", "You mean like there is no reliable source that connects lockdowns that save lives with any kind of mental breakdowns?", "I don't like lockdowns, but this chick is crazy my guy", "Nope", "Why not", "Wow, really? You haven't seen reports on the rise in depression, suicide, violent crime, etc since lockdowns started? I suggest you try some new news sources. It's available in abundance, so I have to imagine you're ignoring it for your own agenda. \n\nhttps://www.sprc.org/news/oklahoma-suicides-climb-highest-point-2006\n\nhttps://www.psycom.net/covid-19-suicide-rates\n\nhttps://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/could-covid-19-infection-be-responsible-for-your-depressed-mood-or-anxiety-2021041922391\n>we know that the pandemic has resulted in worsening mental health outcomes due to the psychological toll of isolation, loneliness, unemployment, financial stressors, and the loss of loved ones", "You're one of the lucky ones. If you search for mental health impact of COVID, you'll find all kinds of awful data showing a rise in suicide, depression, violence, etc." ]	25	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iDOCLOqFyw	/r/videos/comments/qc7yo0/snl_jingleheimer_junction/	[ "Ahh, when SNL sucked marginally less!", "With noted pedophile Horatio Sanz!", "Crazy, never would’ve thought someone in Hollywood would do such a crime.", "Accusation = guilty on Reddit", "This is one of my favorite SNL sketches. I watched this when it was originally broadcast. Tim Meadows was the man.", "Once Will left, and a few others followed, the show seriously went down hill for a while. This era may never be topped, however it's what I grew up with. Waynes World to More Cow Bell.", "I thought the Hader/Sudeikis/Wiig/Forte/Armisen era was pretty good", "the K though :( the lines arent connected right", "Remember folks, (sorry folx) if you enjoy something with someone who did something bad in it, you have to apologize and ask society for forgiveness!", "Wait what? Is he actually accused of being a pedo?", "[Yeah allegedly he had some cyber sex and got touchy with the victim at a few snl parties](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/08/saturday-night-live-alum-horatio-sanz-accused-of-grooming-sexually-assaulting-a-minor)", "I honestly feel this is the best cast since the mid 80s, especially when Samberg joined up. And while I absolutely adore Samberg, they failed to keep great talent after he left. Its like they were chasing lightning in a bottle. They didn't even let Mike O'Brien really flex his talent because things didn't immediately pan out which was such a waste.", "So nice to watch a sketch actually know how to end", "SNL is generational. To me, guys like Mike Myers, Dana Carvey, Tim Meadows, Will Ferrell, Chris Kattan, Molly Shannon, Chris Farley, David Spade, Cheri Oteri, Rachel Dratch, etc. They took part in things that made me laugh growing up. So they'll always be my favorites. \n\nI will say this Kennan Thompson generation is really starting to deliver the last few years. They have their bits that are just as good as some of the stuff I grew up with. But I still don't think they'll ever be topped. Just like the generation before me thought the original cast was the best cast.", "I love that the technical difficulties picture got progressively worse", "Kennan Thompson has been there so long he's been a part of like three generations.", "I'm sort of waiting for Strong, McKinnon, Bryant, and Mooney to leave. I like all of them, but the show has been kind of stale for the past few years and those four don't really have any new material to deliver. I think three of them are on year 10 and Mooney is on year 9.", "edgy", "I love the sketches from this era / cast. One of my favorite old sketches is \"who's more grizzled\". I can't find that anywhere nowadays. Anyone know where to find that one? It's with Garth Brooks and Robert Duvall.", "Longest running SNL cast member. Dudes been on since 2003.", "He has said that he's going for 20.", "I am from the Meyers generation but I think it peaked during the Wiig/Forte/Armisen/Lonely Island era. Keenan Thompson is the best SNL performer I think in it's history. He was a part of that era and now it just feels like he carries any skit they put him in. Like if someone writes a skit and it doesn't work they just put Keenan in the skit and suddenly it works.", "Yea, SNL is one of those things that (to it's absolute credit) make every single generation of people think it's always going downhill. My dad and uncles said the exact same thing in the 90's, and then again when this crew was there. Humor is extraordinarily subjective to people in culture and especially time. Nobody can really explain it properly.\n\nWe all think that \"our\" comedy is the best, and everything new is trash, like music. Not everyone with everything of course, but we all definitely have that tendency as we get older. SNL is so focused on the exact present time that it comes out that it gets a much higher rate of that \"Used to be good, now it's gone downhill\" mindset.\n\nThe new stuff is fantastic, the 2010's stuff was fantastic, etc. It's all been very good and arguably even better. But it'll never hit like the first crew's stuff you loved. All culture is like that. But eventually we all become that grumpy old man screaming about their lawn, lol.", "I mean, it's the most popular American sketch comedy show for literally every single generation. Every single crew's run has cultural influence and memes/jokes that continue on for decades. The amazing thing about SNL is that is ALWAYS changing. So of course the stuff you like the best is not what it was before you liked best, but it's pretty dumb to hate on it. It's the same dumb (but understandable) mindset of people who say things like \"Man, back in my day people made real music, none of this new crap\". It's pop-culture art man, it's never going to stay the same as what it was when you loved it. All subjective.", "Shut up, Umberto!", "One of my favorite skits.", "Yeah. [What's up with that?](https://youtu.be/oaRiOU5IiXw)", "You just made me check to see if Tim Meadows was still alive. He is.", "Whoops! I hadn't meant to imply that he had passed. He did leave the show many years ago.", "The last thing I saw him in was the American version of \"No Activity\" on CBS/Paramount. It was worth the watch, and he is hilarious.", "No Keenan Thompson doing literally the same thing in every sketch is a plus. \n\nPlaying the wide eyed guy shocked at what he is seeing and then looking into the camera and smirking has worn thin a decade ago", "Heard he turned into a cannibal who eats children.", "I think part of the \"SNL is trash now\" belief is that people generally only remember the really good sketches from their favorite era, and forget about all the ones that didn't really land. \n\nIf you watch SNL episodes even from the \"good\" times, I guarantee while the episode might have some amazing legendary sketches, 30% of the sketches will probably be forgettable unfunny bits.", "There's two of us on the same planet?", "Featuring the classically trained singer, C. Diaz", "CARLA: I think Fred should go to the front of the line! :D\n\nJINGLEHEIMER JOE: Uh, no. No he shouldn't!", "Oh, he's over that. Now he's really into cross-stitch!", "[Look what I found!](https://archive.org/details/saturday-night-live-s-23-e-14-garth-brooks)\n\nIt starts at 41 minutes in btw", "Did you see when Tim Meadows becomes Captain Planet, but like… a fucking evil version of Captain Planet, and he keeps killing everyone by turning everyone into trees? Lol.\n\nEdit: I meant Captain Planet, not America.", "No, but that sounds hilarious!\n\nDid you mean the [skit starring Don Cheadle?](https://youtu.be/TwJaELXadKo)", "Totally agree with that. That's a much more concise way of saying what I was trying to say, haha.", "Holy shit, you are the best. Thank you so much!! Seriously, you rock" ]	42	videos	SNL - Jingleheimer Junction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxLZ_cH_rQo	/r/videos/comments/qc8rw0/hilarious_video_about_yahoo_pool_that_gave_me_the/	[ "Friends and I were addicted in high school. We had the “paper shot” where we lined up the shot on the screen with the edge of a paper", "Met my wife on here. Isn't that weird? 18 years on, kids etc and still going strong.", "I played that shit a lot, and even had a crush on a possible lady overseas. \"hawaiianplum\" I miss you.", "I spent way too much time in Mosquito Pool room. LOVED playing Yahoo Pool back in the day.", "I did that too. I still wasn't the best, but I was gonna do whatever I could to win.", "that is weird", "I was addicted to this game and was a total bank shot troll. I’d purposefully do the dumbest shots like this just to play with people. I wonder if I still got the skills, is it still online? Who wants to play?", "Totally. I should get a divorce and find someone on something normal like tinder.", "\"possible lady\"? What else was she possibly?", "3 cats in a trenchcoat", "I was one of the top players in the world in that game \\~20 years. Playing with Myleagues I'd frequently be the top player in my league and playing in top interleague tounrements with a bunch of other top leagues. Leagues would range from hundreds of players per league, to thousands per league. Good memories.", "That name rings a bell hahah, I know what you mean though, I was a mid teenager dominating this game in the earl 2000's and there would a couple special girls lol", "I play a fuck ton of 8 ball pool on my phone and always use my debit card to line up shots", "good memories with this game. I played way too much", "Not a Lady.", "The slow transition into Kirpal is what got me", "Haha that's fucking hilarious and awesome.", "Not too weird. I got a date thru Kazaa Lite once, Donnie Darko downloaded so fast we both knew we were on the same university intranet.", "Yahoo chess, however, was some of the worst scumbags on the internet", "I worked nights in tech support and my co-worker and I had more fun trying to trigger as many people as we could than actually playing the game.", "A bag of crickets", "U guys fuck?", "Are yahoo games still a thing? I used to love all the games they had", "GamePigeon on iPhone has the same pool game. I play it daily", "Almost crying: \"I didn't film the last shot but he just banked it on 9 rails..\" I'm in stitches xD", "Fuck. This was the game I played between 2002-2005 holy crap.. So many yrs in the Bollywood chat", "No. Its all lost. Yahoo really owned the internet in the 2000s. They just decided to throw it all away.", "Weird but true", "This was always the correct answer", "It's a good feeling when you win and get accused of hacking or being Korean and you know that you're neither.", "So many fond memories of playing this game, and many other yahoo games. It's a pity this kind of community doesn't exist anymore.", "the good ol' days", "who the fuck knows? especially back in the days", "This game has a 2D version that is nearly a replica of yahoo. I took a screenshot of [my profile](https://imgur.com/mYUX7uY) before the service went down. I played a lot in middle school. I used to play 5 second shots and banked on others being too slow so I could place the cue ball anywhere I wanted. My playlist was hybrid theory on repeat.\n\nhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/670290/Real_Pool_3D__Poolians/" ]	38	videos	Hilarious video about Yahoo Pool that gave me the urge to both play and never play the game again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ao71z5qjPM	/r/videos/comments/qc99fb/funniest_deposition_ever/	[ "I appreciate them showing us the saltine cracker so I could laugh some more. Any more background on the case?", "Wait, what happened?", "[Here you go](https://awfulannouncing.com/barstool/michael-rapaport-defamation-suit-against-barstool-sports-dismissed-by-judge.html).", "Even gets better\n\n> a t-shirt depicting the actor with a red herpes sore underneath his lip", "[Nope. That would be this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxmrvbMeKc).", "Forgot about this, so great", "Joe Jamail. Hell of a character. His parents were Lebanese immigrants; he became one of the 500 richest people in America; and, despite his temper, lived to be 90.", "That one is fantastic. There's also these two from the NYT series called 'Verbatim'. The video features actors, but the text is verbatim (hence the series title) of what was actually said in depositions.\n\n* [What is a photocopier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE)\n* [Follow the Chicken](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jre-aMAgP5I)", "i like this one more\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE\n\nit's a re-enactment of a real deposition.", "I've never seen this, hilarious!", "[Jeffrey Epstein's egg-shaped penis](https://youtu.be/ykQfE2vAS6o) is a funnier deposition, and it's from the same channel.", "The second one reminded me of this clip of Werner Herzog. https://youtu.be/QhMo4WlBmGM", "What is this about?", "This was 100% staged to allow Epstein to reasonably leave the interview. How is a serious cop going to ask that, and then ask it again after Epstein's lawyer has said it's a bullshit question. He didn't have to say a word.", "The photocopier deposition is like something out of a WKUK sketch. I can totally see Trevor playing the lawyer with the mustache.", "Michael Rapaport used to work with Barstool Sports, one day he went on a rant online going after people who followed Barstool.\n\nBarstool cut ties, fans and employees of Barstool start roasting Rapaport online, calling him a piece of shit and saying he has mouth herpes. Rapaport got offended and opened a defamation lawsuit against him.", "> The photocopier deposition is like something out of a WKUK sketch.\n\nIt is, but it's also [a real word-for-word transcript of an actual case deposition. ](https://www.legalcheek.com/2014/04/hilarious-transcript-of-lawyers-argument-with-witness-over-definition-of-a-photocopier-is-turned-into-a-short-film/)", "No. Epstein's lawyer had been victim blaming/shaming the three plaintiffs. Epstien raped these three girls and him and his lawyer were trying to make it look like it was the girls fault. Kuvin (the plaintiffs lawyer) wanted this out in the open, that was the plan all along. He knew he'd get shut down. It just took a little maneuvering to get these transcripts out as public record and into the hands of the press. He did this on purpose. He knew Epstein was a narcissist, and wanted to publicly embarrass him in retaliation. This wouldn't be the only chance at a deposition, so using this opportunity to embarrass him wasn't much of a loss. \n\nIt was part of a larger plan to publicly humiliate Epstien and to get at least some of his allies to distance themselves from him.\n\nFeel free to look up interviews with the lawyer, Spencer Kuvin, about it.", "Yeah that's bullshit. Whoever is asking the questions here was deliberately giving him an out. There is no other explanation - if the interviewer wanted to hurt Epstein he would have let him speak for a while before hitting him with something embarrassing, not give him a chance to immediately leave the interview before even opening his mouth.", "Holy shit you are dense. I didn't bring it up before, but the fact that you thought a cop was conducting the interview already shows you don't know what you're yammering on about. But I'll give it a try one more time.\n\nAlso, you know this deposition was for a civil lawsuit, right? Not a criminal investigation. There was no jail time at all hinging on this case. \n\nSo again, Epstein was a narcissist. About the worst thing you can do to a narcissist is hurt their ego. Epstein had been essentially slandering the platiffs, and they needed to hit him back where it would hurt. They already knew Epstein was going to plead the 5th. It would not have mattered what they asked, because he would not respond to a single question. Furthermore, journalists would not have been able to view the transcripts...unless they were to somehow become public record, that is. So in order for the lawyer to get a witness stating that Epstein has an egg-shaped penis into the public record (to embarrass him), he would have to try another route. That route was to read the statement during the deposition, relying on the fact that Epstein and his lawyer would terminate the deposition. Which they did. Kuvin then filed a motion for sanctions due to the termination being unjustified. That sanction is public record (along with the transcript and video). Epstein and his lawyer played right into what Kuvin thought they would do, and their actions led to the witness statement becoming public record. Had they not terminated the interview, it would not have been public and available to journalists.\n\nThe entire point was to get that witness statement as public record to embrass Epstein. Nothing else. That's all Kuvin wanted (since Epstein was going to plead the 5th anyhow). And he got it. It was just a slap in the face. \n\nIf you know the guy isn't going to talk and the deposition is already a waste of time, and he's been attacking your clients, why not use it to attack him back? It's not that outlandish of a concept. \n\nThis whole thing isn't really that difficult to understand, and again, you can read interviews with Kuvin where he explains it in detail.\n\nThat is what happened. You don't have to agree with whether what the act was ethically, or even strategically correct. However you feel about what should have been done doesn't change what actually happened.\n\nThere are plenty of conspiracies surrounding Epstein, but this ain't one, chief. You can continue spouting your ignorance, I don't really give a shit. I'm mostly posting this for posterity, so anyone else who may happen upon this doesn't get fooled by your bullshit. But I'm not going to listen to it. I'm blocking you, because I don't suffer fools like you. So, blather on into the void or whatever, I don't care.", "calm down nobody cares. but also you're wrong and stupid" ]	21	videos	Funniest deposition ever
https://youtu.be/smJiMut_1SI	/r/videos/comments/qc9wvr/silent_hill_2006_is_probably_the_best_video_game/	[ "I live right by the town this was written about", "The one with the permanently burning mine?", "Yeah, Centralia Pa", "I went to watch this movie when it came out and none of my friends wanted to see it. So i went to go watch it by myself. I think i couldnt make opening so it was like a tuesday daytime showing or something. \n\nAnyway, the theater was pretty empty. About 20-30 people but somehow I ended up sitting next to this old timer. He was easily 70 if not 80. Not sure. So of course, I had to ask \"So... this movie is based in a video game, that's why im watching it. What brings you here? \" or.... something along the lines of that.\n\nAnd ofc as you could guess by now \"im from the town with the coal disaster that the movie is based on\". I..... didn't know this story at the time so had to research when I got home etc. Crazy! \n\nPs. He sat thru the whole movie too!", "Really??? Really? I went on a first date with a dude to this film and the entire theatre couldn’t stop laughing their asses off at the horrible acting and writing. Never bothered watching it again. Should I give it a go?", "For sure, I think it's one of those movies that got pulled down by the similar movies around it. But it's very rewatchable.", "The Sonic movie is better." ]	7	videos	Silent Hill (2006) is probably the best video game movie we have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0aohBfUTc	/r/videos/comments/qcaee1/veritasium_a_story_of_youtube_propaganda/	[ "Listen, if I wanted to watch some pudgy dude with bad hair and an ironic tie jerk off for almost an hour, I'd just sit down in front of a mirror.", "TL;DW?", "If the video is too long for you, just watch chapter 5, \"Misinformation by Omission\". It's really interesting to see what kind of things went unsaid in those Waymo-sponsored videos about how awesome self-driving cars are.\n\nEssentially, the claims how these cars are super duper self driving kinda go out the window when it turns out that literally all routes are predetermined and 3d-scanned beforehand so the car knows where it is at all times (it doesn't use GPS). So it cannot drive roads it has not seen before.\n\nI feel like that's a teensy tiny detail that ought to be mentioned in informative videos about self-driving cars.\n\nEdit: That being said, I am amused that OP's video is sponsored by a VPN, and now I wonder if they would ever publish a video critical of VPNs.", "Veritasium made a sponsored video about Waymo and didn't talk about anything negative.", ">I feel like that's a teensy tiny detail that ought to be mentioned in informative videos about self-driving cars.\n\nIt's a teensy massive detail, the perception that your car will be able to go anywhere or eventually you'll be buying \"region packs\" \nor \"season passes\" so that your car drive only on pre-scanned routes, and the obvious corollary: Pre approved routes. Not only by the company, but governments prohibiting or limiting where this super new cool system is allowed to be used in.", "Is it possible that Waymo omitted that information to Veritasium and so Veritasium had no idea?", "Veritasium is supposed to be an educational channel. If they missed that information, then they are a bad educational channel.", "Also, disclosed the sponsorship 30 seconds into the video...", "Educational videos have always done this. Government or corporate sources will pay to educate the public. [NASA in the 1950s for example.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxMigUGxPJ0)", "And talks misinformation about VPNs purposes (which is part of the VPN's script, but still). Overall, I think that Derek from Veritasium should've handled it better. I've noticed that some sponsored videos have been a bit flaky in contents and arguments, he could be a bit more clear about the sponsorships overall. Regular videos of his are freaking awesome though.\n\nI feel like I personally downplayed the effects of the sponsored videos, but what Tom says is true. There's channels that have handled this way better without even getting in the spotlight of controversy like Our Changing Climate, I recommend watching his videos on [billionaires/philanthropists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_634hXz32pY), where he tackles this issue way better than Veritasium has done. If you don't want to watch all of it, you should skip to the \"Building Influence\" part of it.\n\nIn the end there is an big ethical issue with the financing of educational videos, that Derek should address better/properly. It's obvious he understands the implications of it, as he has certain standards when being sponsored, but he has still fallen into some issues anyway.", "While this video makes a lot of very good points that makes it clear that Veritasium clearly introduced substantial bias into his video as a result of the sponsorship, I couldn't help but feel a lot of the arguments Tom Nicholas makes in this video are pretty, like, incomplete?\n\nEspecially in the section on statistics, he gave a few examples of reasons why the stats given by Veritasium are potentially dodgy, it really seemed to lack any actually opposing sources - fine, perhaps, the point is more to point out the problems with Veritasium's video rather than specifically counter its points, but on the other hand without opposing evidence there is no reason to believe that whether or not Veritasiums sources specifically may have been bad the stats he uses may be supported by the majority of literature. That said, \"94% of accidents are a result of human error\" is clearly a pretty bullshit meaningless statistic on its own anyway, even if true, like it alone doesnt say anything about whether self-driving cars would be just as bad.\n\nPlus the final points about driverless cars not reducing congestion or the total amount cars needed to transport people are also just, like, wrong, there are some very clear arguments as to why, if self-driving cars did work as suggested, both of those things would indeed be reduced, but Tom just presents them as meaningless advertising fluff without any rational backing.\n\nLike I don't know enough about the statistics to be super confident as to whether or not they are currently a good idea, but this video seemed to be trying to argue that they aren't, even if it didnt state it directly, and in that its just as unconvincing as the Veritasium video", "Veritasium? Is that you?", "Veritasiums other videos are very good, but yeah the Waymo Video is literally an ad without any hint of criticism and his video was very bad. PhysicsGirl's recent video series is even worse: She is promoting Toyota's hydrogen cars without any mention that making the hydrogen causes multiple times more pollution than the electricity for battery electric cars.", "Not really judging the channel. He/she explained the metric being used (it’s an educational channel) and missing information like that is objectively bad.", "I'm not sure what alternative they have, youtube has left them out to dry for the most part. Much like with television the options are advertise or die. Especially if you're going to run a channel with as many production costs as veritassium. \n\nIf you advertise or do sponsored content you will eventually dispense some propaganda.", "Super disappointing that these creators choose to make money and get paid so they can eat and have a roof above their heads.\n\nVery disappointing.", "Calling this a \"Story of YouTube Propaganda\" is as inaccurate and meaningless as the 94% statistic called out in the video, and yet here it is.\n\nAs for the overall point, it isn't a problem to have people get hyped and promote what they personally believe in and not list every, or even any, single opposing argument so long as the actual information expressed is accurate. To get paid for that at the same time is just a bonus, so long as it's properly disclosed. Especially in a form that is built, in part, for entertainment, when targeted at a general user, and it's unreasonable to expect otherwise nor does in invalidate the intent of the video on it's own.\n\nHell even this very video lacks a lot of actual evidence/data to support why some of what Veritasium said in the Weymo video is wrong, and merely presents his opinion on them. If Veritasium is guilty of misrepresenting data and leaving critical information out of the Waymo video, this video is just as guilty of the way it's countering that misrepresentation and omission. Both videos just got a very short disclaimer at the beginning and then moved on.\n\nThe overall problem isn't that Veritasium, or others like him, have sold out. It's that people just don't make good use of, if at all, critical thinking skills in general and especially not in an environment/form that isn't really demanding it. And if the Youtube comments of this video are anything to go by this channel has just as much a problem with that as everyone else, including Veritasium.", "I love Veritassion, but this particular video it was pretty clear it was basically a biased AD lol. It's good to see that someone did look into it.", "The thing about cars has become pretty much just a talking point, for whatever reason if you're solution to congestion in cities talks at all about cars expect people to make entire videos saying that you're a big moron for suggesting that places be connected by anything but busses and trains. As if cars and car infrastructure aren't integral parts of even the most public transit-friendly cities. \n\nThe self-driving car thing seems to hit a nerve especially hard, just go and look at some of the responses to CGP Grey's video on reducing congestion with self-driving cars where people call grey, an outspoken proponent of both public transit, and pedestrian-friendly cities, whose primary form of transportation is his bike. A \"car-brained moron.\"", "A content creator earned money from a sponsored video by only highlighting positive things about the sponsors product, and disclosed it was a sponsored video 30 seconds in and people are mad about this? \n\nIf Veritasium does 1 video on a sponsored product so he can sustain every 10 others he makes, and discloses its an ad immediately, who gives a fuck?\n\nYeet me off the planet please.", "I felt similar while watching this. I felt like the point of the video was this idea that neglected information is, in of itself, misinformation. However, by the end of the video I felt like I was being poorly informed about self driving cars, first and foremost. \n\nAny who, here is a fun traffic phenomena that self-driving cars would help solve, phantom traffic. \nhttps://www.ted.com/talks/benjamin_seibold_what_is_phantom_traffic_and_why_is_it_ruining_your_life/transcript?language=en#t-175343", ">all routes are predetermined and 3d-scanned beforehand\n\nIs this actually a major issue though? Google maps has run imaging vehicles around every single road in many countries (and continues to run the vehicles to keep imaging up to date). Sure it's a lot of work, but compared to the many difficulties of self-driving cars, it's a rather minor one.", "Wow, you’re so right. He’ll be homeless unless he makes corporate propaganda and misinforms the public. He has to!", "I did. It felt like a poorly attempted hit piece on someone by choosing to neglect the whole purpose of sponsored videos.", "Sometimes you just need to take a paycheck.", "Ok", "I mean, he admitted as much at the beginning of the video - \"full disclosure, this video is sponsored by Waymo\". It was pretty clear what it was... to me, at least. \n\nThat being said, given the nature of his channel, I hope he'll do a follow up video to give us the full story.", "> I am amused that OP's video is sponsored by a VPN, and now I wonder if they would ever publish a video critical of VPNs.\n\nI thought the same thing, and ever since Tom Scott did his video about how most claims in VPN advertisements are outright false, I kind of question how much I should trust the content of any video that is sponsored by one.\n\nLike if they'll read the VPN ad copy and go \"Protect your passwords from being stolen over wifi? Sounds good to me, I'll not research this at all to see if it's true,\" what else are they leaving out of their apparently educational video?", "I mean.. this is how car GPS works. I have to buy a map update every year or my car won't know new roads exist.\n\nThat may change if cars start using a service like Google Maps, but I can't see them giving up another $100 a year from every person in the world who owns one of their cars and wants to use their expensive GPS feature that they probably bought the car for. Maybe more widespread adoption and development of CarPlay and Android Auto will change this, who knows.", "So it's impossible that they're an otherwise quality channel that made a mistake with good intentions? Glad to know it's such a black and white issue, makes it much easier to bang an opinion out about it on the internet.", "?????", "I honestly can't believe the number of people that think Waymo is even close to Tesla in terms of Self-Driving. Tesla is driving on real roads, everywhere, doing blind intersections and navigating hectic city traffic. Waymo gets stuck if it sees a single cone on the road.\n\nEdit: The downvotes are super strange folks. It is literally doing these things now as we speak, aren't you even the least bit curious? Self driving cars are awesome technology.", "All this video really proved was that he was biased toward his sponsor (which, I mean, obviously), it made a very poor case that he \"misinformed\" anyone.", "Why don't you just use Google maps or another free GPS? Instead of paying for the updates", "did you watch the video with the english subtitles at the bottom? \n\n\nI wasn't sure what it was about, but seeing your comment... It says during the advertisement \"fluff\" as the text, then switches to \"and misinformation\".", "YouTubers have pretty much no other way to monetize their content at this point. I can't imagine you were lined up to subscribe to YouTube red.", "Sometimes I do, I also don't always buy the updates and I just deal with not being able to use my GPS in some parts of town. Sometimes it's more easy and convenient to use the thing built into my car than to use my phone for that, when I already use it for a million other things. But the point is that I don't think people are really thinking through what they're actually asking for when they say they expect self-driving cars to be able to drive on any road in real time. Even if they did use GPS for this, they'd still have to store the maps because Google Maps doesn't make that product available in your car. The obstacle there is the people who make the maps, not the people who make the cars.\n\nI get that the marketing may be overselling the tech, but as a consumer I absolutely do not want to go straight from driving my car to relying entirely on it to get me from A to B. There has to be incremental change, and it makes sense for the first step to be pre-loaded maps only, and a future step to be fully ad-hoc AI driving. People who think it's possible to go straight there are not engaging their critical faculties.", "The video makes a strong argument, and while at first blush Veritasium is perhaps an unfair target because of the quality of his non-sponsored work, in fact that makes him probably one of the best targets. His brand could lead people to accept at face value everything in what is essentially an ad.\n\nThat said, Dereck does note that it is a sponsored video (although perhaps too meekly). For me, at that point I basically accept that what I'm seeing is at least to some degree misleading, and don't put much stock in the agenda behind it. So, I'm not surprised that many aspects of this video were so easily dismantled. I do, however, think it reflects Dereck's honest belief that self-driving vehicles have the potential to be safer, even if he didn't go out of his way to more fully express the limitations and downsides.\n\nI think it is reasonable that this kind of video exists - it's become quite common across all media, and content creators need to get paid like anyone else - and people should be educated enough to understand what sponsored content is, but I also hope if Veritasium does more like this, that he does it better. \n\nI think he could have been favorable to Waymo while not using misleading statistics and examples. Including a lot of the caveats in OPs video I don't think would have harmed the underlying message much, so maybe there were other reasons for the editorial decisions. For example, OPs video is nearly an hour long, versus the 15 minute sponsored video. Or maybe Dereck didn't spend enough time on this because it wasn't a passion project. Either way, like I said he should do better.", "I think the video is a nothing burger? Like the entire basis is that Derek Muller is overly promoting self-driving car but being misleading.\n\n I don't see how that is the case, when his sponsorship is announced in the first 30 seconds. \n\nThis whole video feels strawman to me.", "My car uses Google Maps (or whatever nav program) whenever I plug my phone into it. Sure, I can not plug my phone in, and it'll use the built-in nav, but then I'd have to pay to update...", "Agree, I support alternative transport options and more bike/pedestrian friendly cities, but there is simply no way we are getting rid of motor vehicles entirely. People like them too much, and frankly for good reason. They offer obvious utility and comfort benefits for a lot of trips. Treating them with such disdain and focusing so much on eliminating cars just turns away potential supporters of better transit infrastructure. Emphasize how better transit can reduce traffic, and can make the times you do need to use a car much more comfortable.", "[A wild Tesla shill has appeared!](https://redditmetis.com/user/Havelok)", "Sponsored content is everywhere now too. I PAY for the NYT and still see it. Sometimes I even read it! People just need to be aware of it, and understand what it is, at this point. It's a form of an opinion piece or editorial. OPs video makes good points, but I don't think he succeeded in challenging the underlying argument of Veritasium's video. I think Dereck does feel that self driving cars will one day ultimately be safer. While the video is propaganda, and the additional details in this video are important, I don't think they really damage the fundamental point of the Waymo video. The waymo videos biggest crime is just being too optimistic and utilizing rhetoric. But Dereck says it's sponsored, and the rhetoric should be obvious to a viewer even at face value.", "The “teensy tiny detail” comment was sarcasm, you realize that right? It’s a huge problem and they know it", "Rolleyes uh-huh. How many videos full of proof would you like me to link?", "I see what you're saying, but personally I think that's just a bit of unintentional irony. \"Fluff and misinformation\" is just the end of the last line of his script before the ad, and he probably fudged the timestamps by a second so it didn't properly split for the ad spot. Whether he knows that VPN security claims are bullshit and he's just a corporate mouthpiece himself, who knows. I think the subtitle thing was a mistake, and either way his whole high-horse thing is undermined. If it was on purpose, it would at least prove he's self-aware about his hypocrisy.", "But when you are educational/science channel, your viewers expect better and more neutral look then... this.", "I'm confused, are you trying to deny being a shill by implying that you have a repertoire of videos talking up tesla to drop whenever you get called out, or are you really just so shameless that you don't care about broadcasting how much of a corporate tool you are?\n\nEither way, you can keep your garbage, I'm not interested.", "Making hydrogen is effectively free in a grid with substantial renewables. The point of hydrogen is it makes use of off peak surpluses.\n\nOf course that doesn't mean the vids aren't dumb shilling.", "this is top-tier stupid.", "Sure, if right and wrong don't matter when it comes to the paycheck. \n\n\nSeems to be a very bad standard to set for collecting paychecks.", "The shurg was pretty damning. It just showed no concern about any potential conflict of interest.\n\nWhen you compare it with someone who, I think, gets sponsored videos right like Adam Ragusea, you see someone who clearly is aware of the potential conflict, mentions the sponsorship pretty much constantly and includes questions about the content, there's a clear difference with how Veritasium did theirs without any care for viewers.", "Why does this need to be an hour long? The information contained does not warrant the length.", "maybe he made a tonne of cash with TSLA and has his own conviction? i dunno", "> The video makes a strong argument, and while at first blush Veritasium is perhaps an unfair target because of the quality of his non-sponsored work, in fact that makes him probably one of the best targets. \n\nIts basically trading off the goodwill of other work to push the message in the ad. That's whats so disingenuous about it and why it differs from regular advertising.", "I don't give that a lot of weight in Veritasium's case. He's very successful and I can't imagine that Waymo would be paying 'life-changing' money for that.", "And as the tech is new its a \"problem\" that will go away as it matures, the cars will literally map streets as they drive. e.g. one of the driverless cars hits a pothole, it tells the whole fleet no other cars hit it. (Might even notify the council)\n\nAlso critiquing the \"It will reduce cars on the road\", sure maybe not completely by itself but with staggered work times, work from home and better public transport it could be one step in a link that works to that goal.\n\nInteresting video with some good things to think about though.", "> Plus the final points about driverless cars not reducing congestion or the total amount cars needed to transport people are also just, like, wrong, there are some very clear arguments as to why, if self-driving cars did work as suggested, both of those things would indeed be reduced, but Tom just presents them as meaningless advertising fluff without any rational backing.\n\nPut it this way.\n\nTake a badly implemented public transport system like Toronto GO where big trains basically work in a single direction and then park up during the non peak times.\n\nIf you replace one of their trains with people in self driving cares, you go from the one train in a siding, to... 1000 cars needing parking somewhere. A footprint that's about 20 times the size in a busy city centre...\n\nIf you game it out there's lots of other problems. The only positive is that self driving system might reduce space between cars. But it comes with other problems which don't help at all.", "He's not wrong that a sponsor sponsored video is awfully generous to the sponsor. And to the extent that fact is glossed over, shame on veritas-whatever. \n\nHe is wrong insofar as presenting a youtube guy being biased in this fashion actually means self driving cars (by Waymo or, by implication others) are less than reasonably safe. For the most part they are, and for most people, self driving cars are not Waymo's but a general sort of technology. \n\nThat's the larger, more important point in my estimation that this guy gets, on balance, wrong.", "I don't have a problem with it being a sponsored ad per se (but then again 20 minutes into a longform video that might be forgotten), the more interesting part is the coordinated astroturfing campaign behind that ad, perhaps the \"ad notice\" should include #astroturfing?", "Right and wrong? He says in the video that it's sponsored, if you're expecting a commercial to portray its product without bias then you're crazy.", "Pretty fucking hypocritical to talk about how Veritasium let sponsor money sway his self driving cars opinions while having a sponsored segment about a the\"formula 1 of VPNs\" that allows you to \"safely and securely browse the web\". Not saying this to invalidate his points, but I do find it in very poor taste to accept a sponsor that makes you say such worthless and dubious claims in a video that talks about this problem.", "I don’t know if you’re right or if you’re wrong.\n\nEither way your response is extremely annoying and you come off so full of yourself.", "Yeah, during the introduction I was waiting for the video to turn towards its larger point that this was an ongoing problem where the Veritasium channel spread misinformation with all of its videos or something sinister. It's crazy that this entire video is dedicated to picking apart a commercial, and painting someone as a villain for being willing to make a commercial.", "Welcome to the internet.", "It's not news to anyone that these content creators are available for hire right? PR firms do contract negotiations with them to make branded content on behalf of the firm's corporate clients. They're not even that expensive.", "When you start out to make the world better and end up a corporate shill. Remove the temptation and you'll sleep better.\n\nwww.reddit.com/r/notakingpledge", "Adam's sponsored video on [multivitamins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXelIq1jQE) was pretty bad.", "Lol hadn't seen that one. Comments tell the story.\n\nDid he delist it cos it never showed up in my feed?", "Yeah I think you’re right but it also important to think of the implications of YouTube channels being so easily manipulated.", "Well, look at the source of that 94% figure. The figure Waymo is so eager to present does in fact occur in an official safety report, and the words Waymo uses are directly applied to it . . . \n\nbut the *very next sentence in that report entirely upends that interpretation. The phrase driver error is in effect a technical term of art, being misrepresented in exactly the same way creationists misrepresent \"theory\" when used about science.\n\nIf he had no idea, it's because he wasn't vetting anything he was told. He was just looking for anything that could plausibly be used as confirmation and stopping without reading even one further sentence of context.\n\nIf he had no idea, it's because a man with the education and experience to know exactly what was happening was wittingly* allowing himself to be played for a chump,\n\nSo he could get paid to do the exact same thing to you.", "It is not free, there exists a quantifiable ERoEI - thats the energy expended in making the fuel, everything from building the renewable infrastructure, cost of maintenance, labor cost, etc, compounded by the energy loss of making hydrogen fuel (x3, if I remember right).", "The fixed costs asssociated with wind generation fall to near zero.\n\nFor sure there's some cost of storing compressing hydrogen and transportation. But this is still tiny compared to the cost of generating this energy \"on demand\".\n\nHydrogen's viability is based on its economics, not its physics.", "Nope, I think his response is on point with this one. Seems like a super shill thing to say and their response was the most shill response possible.", "Has this guy never heard of an advertisement before?\n\n\"Oh my god a video explicitly branded as an ad isn't critical of the company it's promoting, better spend an hour talking about it!\"", "He spends an hour upset because a piece of explicit promotional advertisement isn't a thorough scientific and ethical exploration of self driving cars.", "> the final points about driverless cars not reducing congestion or the total amount cars needed to transport people are also just, like, wrong, there are some very clear arguments as to why, if self-driving cars did work as suggested, both of those things would indeed be reduced\n\nThe problem is that 'easing congestion' causes a phenomenon known as [induced demand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand). It's the same effect as adding an extra lane to a highway - in the short term, yes, it will ease congestion... but then more people will take the car rather than other forms of transport, until a new equilibrium is reached.", "That's an upvote for me, dog.", "Premapping is something that needs to be done for any self driving car to actually work. That Waymo does it isn't some secret. \n\nFor Tesla to actually have self driving cars that can work in conditions where the road is not visible - like snow - they're going to have to do premapping.", "Buying GPS maps though? Seems a bit outdated.", "holy shit could he be more overdramatic. Just tell me what veritasium lied about in the video. I'm like 24 minutes into the video and I haven't heard anything suggesting that the Veritasium guy has misinformed anyone.", "The section 6 content about defining what people think of as \"the future\" is interesting to me. It makes me think of GM defining the future at the world fair and then getting massive government backing for roads which then subsidized cars.\n\nWaymo is trying to restrict our view of what the future will look like instead of high speed rail it will be self-driving cars. Waymo is looking for people we trust to bring us this message, and Derek is shilling for them without looking at other solutions to the problems. It is an issue for trusted voices to become shills.", "Isn't this guy with the VPN sponsor a twerpy Marxist?", "News has been doing this for years, but for every penny a youtuber makes, the news makes a couple hundred dollars.", "If traffic was just a linear curve of the number of vehicles on the road and time, you'd make a good point. But that means ignoring everything that happens to worsen traffic beyond that simplistic view. You say \"reduce space between cars\" implying that's nothing when it isn't. That space is there because of the reaction time of every party involved on the road. It's also because of this reaction time that intersection signals are so long, that lanes are so wide, etc. You also have a clear lack of public infrastructure for people without a car and uncertainty means they will prefer owning one instead of sharing a ride for example, even if they only rarely go out to begin with. That adds cars on the road as well.\n\nSaying \"just build trains lol\" is nice and all, but the upfront costs makes it very expensive for local municipalities and it will need to survive in the red and continue to invest until the service gets great enough to surpass the subsidized car infrastructure, which might take a few years (let's say 5, because I'm optimistic). Even if you wanted that and voted in the right people to make it happen, you would need to cut down on that car infrastructure to make public transport more attractive, and then waiting that 5 years for the shittier service to \"come back to normal\" is gonna suck for the local government when protests might rise over road closures or constructions, business owners seeing a decrease in revenue or people having to change their ways, etc. Sure it would eventually get better than it was before, but that's long term and that's often a no-no when your mandate is shorter than that.\n\nCompared to that, self-driving cars have clear benefits that Veritasium or CGP Grey already talked about and Tommy there or anyone else hasn't disproved yet afaik (only critizing the proof is not proof itself and it was only for a select few arguments as well) and they don't need a whole city-wide redesign and reconstruction of infrastructure for implementation. Would it reduce more traffic and be more efficient than a train? No, but that's a straw man, nobody sensible made that argument.", "[Welcome to the internet!](https://youtu.be/k1BneeJTDcU) sorry I just watched it and it seemed too perfect.", "Youtuber is biased due money? No! Never!", "\"Hold on, I'm printing the directions from MapQuest\"", "It's weird to me that they chose to make this video centered around his video on driverless cars instead of his [more recent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT18KJouHWg) where he talks about how you can identify people through DNA from companies like ancestry or family tree without those people even providing any DNA (tl;dw: if your relative took a DNA test at one of those companies, they could identify you through your relative's DNA, so they just need your relative's consent and not yours). In this video, he talks about it like it's a good thing and never really considers the argument of privacy (I think he mentions it once and brushes it off as selfish or something). It really urked me and while the video isn't sponsored by the companies he talks to, I doubt he would've been able to interview them if he was planning on talking poorly about their product in any way.", "The self-driving behavior in teslas is hard to improve in reliability, since driving logic is currently hard-coded in C/C++. It is easy to roll-out to a large area, however, since they only rely on perception+driving behavior+some mapping data. There may simply be too many edge cases to consider for their version of self-driving to be classified as L4/L5 in the future.", "Hard.. coded? I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about. The code changes with every release via their training software and simulations, that's essentially the entire reason why it's able to do as well as it is doing now. The only thing that is static is the hardware. When the Dojo training supercomputer comes online, this process will become extremely efficient, and they will be able to train the AI to such an extent that all they will be doing is catching the most extreme edge cases. It will be functionally perfect, and several times safer than a human driver.\n\nIf you are talking about the previous version that didn't analyze predictive video and create an on the fly 3d simulation of the environment, that's long long in the past.", "The overall point is that Veritasium is ostensibly a science/educational channel and that the standard for what content can be published, particularly regarding sponsored content, should be higher. Publishing videos that are essentially advertising under the guise of an independent inquiry into a given topic or field is misleading. \n\nThe guy tries to make the case that the way the sponsorship is disclosed implies that the impact of the sponsorship on the content of the video is minimal but, as a matter of fact, it isn't. There was no counterpoint, and talking points used in other similar campaigns were repeated. Propaganda is perfectly apt. \n\n\"It's that people just don't make good use of, if at all, critical thinking skills in general and especially not in an environment/form that isn't really demanding it.\" Yeah, that's precisely the point. The audience is lazy and trusting-- particularly when the publisher cultivates an image of being objective and science-based.", "Maybe free but it depends on the type of Hydrogen if it is CO2 neutral. If you get it out of Water it is fine. If you get it out of Natural Gas you end up with hydrogen and CO2. That’s why the whole fossil fuel industry and many car manufacturers are backing Hydrogen as the whole value chain would not change much.", "Kinda bizarre to make an hour long video to essentially say \"this guy made a sponsored video he is so bad\" while touting a shady sponsor in your own video.", "What's wrong with VPN? Idk much about them other than my work makes us use one", "I really don’t understand the point of this video (which also has a sponsor). Like, usually you tubers try to make money with their videos. The entire platform functions around that assumption. I know a lot of younger people may believe everything Jake Paul or whoever says but it’s still just how the platform works. YouTube is just another creative outlet. Very very few channels can hold up to being actually “educational” and I never really considered Veritasium an “educator.” He just makes interesting stuff that’s fun to watch. Fun.\n\nI’m also an all out millennial who knows the internet is more of a playground rather than some serious place of insight, focus, and intellectualism.", "I never watch any kind of ad, so i didn't watch this video. Nor did I know about that VPN shit because i don't watch those ads either. Funny the claims they'll make. Hard to believe they get away with lying that blatantly. Lying by omission or not.", "I have a disturbing suspicion that the ability to work/sleep/watch Netflix while riding in a self driving car means people would be willing to tolerate significantly longer travel times, leading to a significantly higher travel time equilibrium.\n\nIf you're looking for a horrifying vision of the future, it's self driving cars taking three hours to commute in traffic while everyone scrolls Reddit on their phones.", "Basically most of the claims that vpn companies use to sell their product are things that happen by default with all internet traffic these days. With the exception of being able to change your location. But that doesn’t really hide your identity or fool anyone as to where you are physically located.\n\n\nI’m doing a shit job of explaining it, just watch the [Tom Scott video.](https://youtu.be/WVDQEoe6ZWY) he’s much better at it than I am.", "Thanks! Ill give it a watch when i get the chance (im at work)", "For work they make sense, they allow you to connect to your work's servers and shit without having them on the public internet. You connect to the VPN and it's like you are at the office.\n\nFor 420BlazeVPN youtube ads saying it's great for privacy - they are full of shit.\n\nWhen you are on an VPN your internet provider can't see what you are doing. Your VPN provider can though so what's the fucking difference? apart from lots of sites detecting VPNs and blocking you/throwing CAPTCHAs at you...\n\nCommercial NordVPN-style VPNs are great for:\n\n- Bypassing geo-blocks, sometimes\n- Using the internet on wifi you don't trust\n\nNot much else. Someone somewhere along the chain has to know what you want to look at the on the internet, or they can't provide it for you!\n\nEDIT: get a seedbox and a private tracker ffs don't torrent on your home connection", "They’re great for piracy", "People suggest they do more then what they really do. Not going into technical details they normally say things like \"you can protect your password\" \"you can't be tracked\" \"You can watch Netflix like you are in any country\". \nNot all of that is true, as even with a VPN a \"hacker\" can steal your password, you can be tracked and, netflix has some protection in place for VPN use.", "Reposting from a previous comment: \n\n\nI feel like you're missing the most basic point and use of a VPN: if I don't use one while torrenting my internet gets shut off by my ISP until I acknowledge the breach of service terms, and it's a 3 strikes you're out system. I'm not trying to hide my activity from nefarious people, but from my ISP. And it works. This is the only reason I use one, and it works perfectly, every time.", "That's why you need to be behind at least 7 proxies.", "Veritasium has made a career out of asking questions and trying to gain a deeper understanding of technology. If Veritasium \"had no idea\" it's because they either decided not to have an idea or they got paid not to air it.", "They never made that mistake before until they got paid by the subject of their videos. There's being gullible and then there's making excuses for the people lying to you.", "Nobody said Veritasium can't be wrong tho so I'm not even sure why you think you have a point.", "I mean, google maps are \"free\" but someone still needs to invest money in creating and maintaining them. The idea of a driverless car is that it can adapt to any situation on the road and therefore shouldn't need to rely on pre-planned routes.", "If you haven't seen much of him I highly recommend Tom Scott. He has a really great way of explaining things and he has tons and tons of videos about really interesting and fairly niche things. He takes r/mildlyinteresting kind of stuff and turns it into r/interestingasfuck", ">Hard.. coded? I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about. The code changes with every release via their training software and simulations\n\nI don't think you understand what any of this means. You're just parroting Tesla PR. The downvotes are correct. Stop lying to people.", "The difference being it’s clear that the 30 second VPN ad is an ad and the screen was labelled as such. With the Veritasium video the entire content seems to have been a sponsor controlled content and a prominent advert label should have been visible throughout the entire thing. A 3 second disclaimer is inadequate.", "Maybe you should watch the video. He makes the difference pretty clear in the very first few minutes.", "Maybe take a paycheck without trying to manipulate people?", "I've stopped watching Veritasium over the past couple of years because he feels more like an entrepreneur than a science educator now.\n\nHis tone and his perspective on issues and what part of an issue to focus on and what part to omit bothered me more and more so I stopped watching.\n\nAnd this is far from the first time he oversells some new technology.\n\nBut I wanna be clear, I am sure he still does some great stuff. I just can't stand him.", "Yeah, his house is fucking massive for example. If he is willing to shill for this. What else?", "That was a lot of money left on the table. A lot of money.", "Yeah, OP is just another online scammer that is as bad as what he claims to be \"exposing\" or some shite. Look at these people trying to make money, now go buy this VPN service you don't need that probably logs everything you do.\n\nWaymo is fine, probably. Needing detailed scans updated all the time versus a more generalized and adaptable solution is a detail for discussion by logistics, business, and engineering experts. I've seen people that aren't try to discuss that and they sound like complete idiots, like this guy, shouting from atop Dunning-Kreuger hill, and all I know of it is that I'm definitely not an expert enough to give a great opinion, but it's way more complicated than anyone without detailed knowledge would guess at. Thus this \"weakness\" is not relevant to a video trying to explain the basics of self driving cars to the average person. That he spends an hour either not understanding this, or just as likely not caring because he's going after a popular channel for the sake of clickbait, is nigh irrelevant.", "Oh cry me a river", "Some VPNs don't store logs and have been tested in courts while some ISPs are required to log your traffic.\n\nAlso, much more likely to get pinged for piracy torrents with an ISP than a VPN.\n\nBut that pretty much sums up the comment above with Tom Scotts video. They're not gonna advertise that they're piracy friendly", "A human being, I guess?", "The point is you shouldn't expect \"privacy\" from a VPN which is a massive selling point in all VPN marketing these days. They advertise getting around geoblocks but even that falls by the wayside of scaring you into thinking anyone knowing your personal IP is in any way useful. VPNs are practically useless for those sorts of things, simply because we already have a lot of these features in our browser. As long as you understand that and have practical uses for a VPN such as your case, then you're not wasting money. Everyone else is getting scammed", "It's not a problem by itself, but it is very telling that this fact is hidden so well in so many videos.\n\nThe implication is clearly that these cards are, y'know, self-driving. And it is implied that the car scans its surroundings and, therefore, can deal with new situations.\n\nIt can't.\n\nThat's lying by omission. These cars are simply way less independent than they appear.", "Of course it's not impossible. But if it is a honest mistake, they'll clear that up and then all is good. And we can just wait and see if that happens or not.\n\nBut also, if this would be a honest mistake, it would be a big one.", "I remember watching Veritasium's video and being a bit confused when he suggested that driverless cars could solve the problems caused by cars.\n\nI suspect it would make it much worse to be honest, as the frustration of sitting in traffic would be lessened, making traffic jams worse.", "What the hell does any of this have to do with Tesla?\n\nNo one here even started comparing them to Tesla, so why are you acting like people did?\n\nAlso, [Tesla's autopilot kinda sucks](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35878363/teslas-full-self-driving-beta-is-just-laughably-bad-and-potentially-dangerous/), at least for now.", "Question: Google maps drives the roads photographing. Will they not drive the roads to program autonomous vehicles? Sell the info. If not google, who will?", "Sure. The point is that this needs to be explained and pointed out in an educational video about self-driving. And it was not.", "If an educator is wrong, they'll say as much once they find out they were wrong. So I'm looking forward to their correction on their video.", ">saying that you're a big moron for suggesting that places be connected by anything but busses and trains.\n\nI feel that's a bit disingenuous. Cars absolutely have a place, and no one is saying they should be removed entirely. The issue is people saying the solution to crowded roads in already car-centric cities is to add more lanes, or make cars drive themselves. The fundamental issue with cars isn't that they don't communicate with each other electronically, it's that they are terribly inefficient methods of transport, regarding space/capacity, infrastructure wear, emissions etc.\n\nThe effects of self driving cars are worth considering, but if you want to reduce congestion, and you're focusing on cars rather than improving other forms of transport, such as walking/cycling and public transit, you're just not going to make much progress.", "Not really, that is clearly an ad, and anyone understands it as such. That is no different than having ads on a news channel. Having an ad doesn't discredit that news.\n\nThe whole point is that if you disguise ads as science videos then that's a problem. Literally everyone does VPN ads and everyone understands that these are ads.", "It's funny how it's very clear that people will defend veritasium purely because they like him. I like him too, but just admit he was wrong and that it was a really sketchy video. It's not the end of the world, everyone makes mistakes. Instead this thread is full of \"oh yea, well you just read a VPN AD!\" or other blind defenses of veritasium.\n\nIt's so obvious when people feel personally attacked because their favorite youtuber gets attacked. Just endless whataboutism and anger at even the notion that they did something wrong.", "And why does he use such annoying cuts. Switching the audio half a second before the video when both are just shots of his head is just annoying.", "Ten minutes into the video so far.\n\nWhile I'm no big advocate for self driving cars, this video does the exact same thing that these anti-self driving car videos always do: talking about \"multiple stories of crashes and near-misses by self driving cars\", supported by images of burned out Teslas in the background while providing no actual stories or proof that any of it is true and these images were the result of self-driving capabilities of the Tesla cars.\n\nThis video IMO is so far no better then the Veritasium video it is criticizing. While YouTube is being used for news stories, at its core it is still a platform for creators who want to give you the content that they want to make. When he says they are \"pushing their own highly selective and self-interested vision of the world\" on the viewers, then by no means is he wrong. But is also kind of the point of YouTube. You follow these people because of the things they create and the vision that they have. \n\nIn this day and age of pick and choose which sources you want to subscribe to the final responsibility lies with the end user. It is up to you to be wary of these channels and the information they put out.", "He also did a video on a Johnny Harris video, and on both videos the comment section was full of people praising him for \"exposing this\" and completely devoid of any sort of meaningful discourse or critical discussion. And also a lot of obviously right-leaning conspiracy nuts. Comments about how they knew to stop trusting Kurtzgesagt after they did a video critical of dairy and meat production and how they're definitely funded by Bill Gates and the WEF. That channel's viewer base is a scary army of mindless drones out to prove the existance of a new world order or something.", "I've seen other people mention this point here. I believe he has addressed it on his Johnny Harris video. He makes a point about how having sponsorship inserts such as these is not comparable to an entire video posing as \"educational\". The latter definitely violates any semblance of journalistic integrity. Now whether you agree with him or not on if the former lies in a grey area, you have to admit that the level of magnitude is nowhere near comparable. \n\nI don't think it's realistic to expect YouTubers to not have any ads at all, though you do have a point with the VPN claims, it does come in bad taste. At the very least you know that the sponsored bit is limited within a segment and that the actual content of the video is not influenced by it. He should perhaps consider changing sponsors.\n\nIt is interesting to consider to what extent advertising and journalism can mix.", "Which is funny as the very same video has a \"Lying by statistics\" segment. Ironic.", "The Veritasium video is also clearly an ad:\n>Waymo sponsored this video and provided access to their technology and personnel.", "The viewers are getting their money's worth.", "You summed up my views about veritasium perfectly, he has some great stuff and I guess I prefer what he does to other some dumb shit YouTube is full of.", "Yeah, but he now has levels of trust and integrity money can't buy.", "If I wanted to see a fucking ad I wouldn't be watching his videos, you expect to learn something from educational YouTube channels, with the least amount of bias possible.", "Hhhmmmm. I subscribe to veritasium and didn't see this in my subscriptions", "People underestimate their capability of becoming influenced or corrupted by greed. Its a slippery slope.", "I should have wrapped that in quotes. It was the last thing he said in the video.", "The important part for me about this video is how you present something in a sciency way but veritasium's video leaves a lot of the \"bad\" stuff out, being more an ad than an educational video, but I agree that's way too long for what it says.", "He never said that, he used the statistic to highlight why a company like Waymo would be spending so much money on marketing when their cars are only available to vetted members of the public in one city. There was no connotation or implication that the actual safety of the vehicles is in any way related to the perceived safety.", "The thing in my opinion is that American cities are way too car centric, if you don't have a car you can't get anywhere, I know it's impossible to get rid of cars but also it should be a priority to make cities less about car roads and more about efficient transportation.", "I agree, it's like how cars were supposed to reduce the time you needed to get to work but at the end of the day what they did was make it okay to work really far away from home", "I haven't watched this (hour long) video. But what exactly raises the level of the Veritasium video to \"propaganda\"? I remember it being very light on criticism and leaving out a lot of information, but I wouldn't call it \"progaganda\". It was clearly an advert and I don't really have a problem if Derek chooses to make money that way.", "The main point here is that it's unethical to do promotion pieces like this on educational channels because it uses their earned trust while promoting dubious claims that aren't countered. To that, I agree with the thesis.", "This video is quite terrible, I was expecting some juicy stuff but he is just mulling over some minutia, vague claims and irrelevant things for almost an hour.", "yeah this guy seems to be angry that Veritasium did not correctly enumerate all the 1000 details in a sponsored video.", "That’s the problem with so many content these days. They’re either super short to cater to those with short attention span or super long with unnecessary fillers.", "There's this VSauce video about reasoning, how it came to be and it's purpose and it changed the way I see the \"critical thinking skills\" stuff, so to me the \"people should think by themselves always!\" argument doesn't hold so much ground anymore (it's impossible to know it all, after all).\n I agree with most of your post though (this video is even sponsored by one of those vpns that claim a lof of stuff that isn't really true) but I expect those that call themselves \"educators\" to be more critical of what they promote and how they present it, and when they sell out I expect someone to call them out on their bullshit.", "Are you arguing that a video seemingly about self driving cars, but sponsored by a self driving car company, is considered an ad to the same degree that an actual ad during an ad break is?\n\nThen you're arguing that everyone knew that veritasium just put out a 10min+ long ad. Which is almost worse.", "So it cannot drive roads it has not seen before.\n\nWaymos implementation probably does handle this, they just aren't using it. Teslas drive on roads they haven't seen before and it usually works.", "If someone opens a video with \"this video is sponsored by the company I'm working with\" people in general should be able to apply some critical thinking about whether there is a bias or not. I'd argue that a majority of Veritasiums viewership would probably pick up on that.\n\nPropaganda is Completely overstating what it is, it's an advert.\n\nWhen you see a Coca Cola advert do you question why they don't compare with the relative merits of Pepsi? No. You don't.\n\nSo why would a guy make an hour long video on this issue? To make drama where there is none out of something that most people would realise is an advert.", "There is a reason where I live (in the US) to use them to mask the details of your traffic from your ISP. I live in a major US city which means I only have a single ISP option at my address. Comcast. Comcast has been caught several times illegally applying traffic shaping to bittorrent and probably other forms of traffic. They also monitor for bittorrent of certain torrents and report torrents of DMCA'd things.\n\nBittorrent is maybe not the best example but I have no reason to believe they aren't monitoring other things while they're at it.\n\nSo I think there is an argument to be made that a VPN could give you a way to choose between your ISP logging your activity and your VPN provider logging your activity.\n\nBut yes, most of the claims are oversold. Even in the OP video. Using HTTPS everywhere is generally going to provide better isolation and integrity.", "Holey shit that Surfshark sponsorship halfway through is fucking hilarious. I hope he takes the piss out of himself next video, https and browser fingerprinting render the \"privacy\" aspect of VPN's pretty much useless for what most consumers think they're getting.", "Boy, do a lot of people miss the point here.\n\nNo, having an clearly signaled ad read isn't nearly the same thing as sneaking a short \"this video is sponsored by\" in the video while pretending the rest is the same quality as your regular, well researched content. \n\nThe author also doesn't try do debunk every single statistic but is showing how picking and choosing stats can let you tell whatever story you want and that Derek is simply using Waymo's talking points and provided statistics. \n\nAnd most importantly, this isn't a video about Veritasium so much as it is a video about edutainment Youtube where companies pay creators to lend them their credibility and good reputation to spread misinformation disguised as regular content.\n\nNot everyone is as smart, savvy and pretty as you and is able to distinguish this kind of ad from normal content. And even if they are, a lot of people would still assume that the company just paid the Youtuber to make the video but that at least the content is up to their usual standards and not full of half-truths. \n\nI like Derek but why can't we admit that this type of video is unnecessary and harmful? And gets worse the more trusted the Youtuber is. \n\nSame thing with Destin from SmarterEveryDay and his series of submarine videos. Those are very cool videos, I watched them all with great interest, but they are also propaganda and a recruitment tool by the US military. He trades his good reputation and him being very positive and uncritical for access to the submarine and crew. I think it's important to acknowledge that.", "I mean no offense, but \"it usually works\" is not exactly acceptable when it comes to self driving cars.", "I think the \"clearly an advert\" part is disputed here. There was one quick sentence about it being sponsored, but otherwise there was no mention anywhere that this was an ad.", "Something other people aren't mentioning (although they are being right about it, the only advantage at this point is changing your IP if your IP is banned or something somewhere and changing location which may not even be successful because sites use other methods as well to determine location), is that many of the big VPNs now are getting bought up by one company that used to make malware, who is also buying VPN review sites. \n\nhttps://restoreprivacy.com/kape-technologies-owns-expressvpn-cyberghost-pia-zenmate-vpn-review-sites/", "I remember hopping into Reddit chat about one veritasium video on Learning styles. Holy shit the conversation was heated. \n\nIt was like if you DARED disagree with veritasium you were an idiot. People in that chat with decades of experience in teaching saying there’s something to learning styles even if our way of talking about them may not be correct, but nope. Most of reddits responses were: “video man say learning styles no real so they no real”.", "Yeah, it's probably my 3rd favourite YouTube channel, but that particular video was really bad and I didn't finish watching it.", "The current reality is that 95% of the hydrogen supply is from fossil fuels, most of that from reformation of natural gas. That processing releases just as much CO2 as burning the natural gas. We could generate hydrogen with excess renewable energy and water, but most places don't have an excess, and in places that do (or soon will) it's probably better to try and store that energy to displace fossil fuel usage when renewable generation is low.", "I know, I remember it. Still boosted his integrity massively.", "It could have been a video exposing apples for being round bananas and people would come into the comments going \"yeah I like apples but he has a point\" \n\nWhat's worse than veritaseum putting out something they clearly said was an ad, is this guy branding his video as I'd he is veritaseum. Clearly designed to impersonate the channel to gather clicks, then create drama where it's not and then take in the $$. \n\nSmarter every day just did a series on subs that is one of my favorite video series on YouTube. And it's clearly \"propoganda\" if you wanted to slant it that way. I don't see these as any different.", "Yeah but what about when they hire a celebrity! Then it's clearly propoganda! This video clearly just saw a chance to ride veritaseum popularity with a well times video designed outright to pose as veritaseum to win clicks.", "Found the YouTubers Reddit account!", "He also labeled the video: \"Veritasium: ...\", and used his face in the thumpnail, misleading people into thinking this is made by Veritasium. And then the first 20 minutes he makes claims without providing evidence. This video is worse than the original.", "https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1336467014727110656?s=20 here is Tesla’s FSD configuration table, almost all of the driving behavior is hard-coded and can be turned on/off. Only perception is behind a neural net/uses ML right now. \n\nhttps://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1320551443728896000?s=19\n\nhttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1224182478501482497?s=20", "Tldw. YouTuber designs his drama piece to look like a veritaseum video in title and thumbnail to win clicks and cause a stir making him a shitload of cash.", "An ad that's openly lying to his viewers. While I don't disagree that some youtubers are walking on a thin line with this, Tom Nicholas is a far left asshole.", "Don't forget to sprinkle in your own promo inside a video \"exposing\" other promos.", "\n> SmarterEveryDay's submarine videos are propaganda and a recruitment tool by the US military.\n\nThank you for mentioning that! I know Destin works closely with the US Military. While I appreciate some of his videos, his ties to the military blinds him to the ill-effects of their decisions.\n\nSadly, that subtle subliminal emotional manipulation by SmarterEveryDay's videos, might be lost on those most likely to sign up to join the US military, misguidedly believing the US military to be an irrefutable force for good. \nWhen they most certainly aren't.\n\nWhat is even more screwed up is that recruiters show up to schools and colleges, preying on the psychologically not-yet-fully-developed minds of young teens/adolescents to convince them to enlist.\n\nThose Submarine videos, while cool, much like the submarine films of yore like The Hunt of Red October, which again while very cool, are basically \"US Military is awesome!\" and \"Please ignore all the terrible things the US Military does\" films. \nI urge everybody to read Manufacturing Consent.\n\nIt's important to understand that SmarterEveryDay didn't choose to work with the military to make submarine videos. The military chose SmarterEveryDay to make submarine videos.\n\nMuch like Veritasium didn't approach WayMo to make an entire video about their closed-source proprietary self-driving machines that could collide with other humans. WayMo chose Veritasium.\n\nMaybe in addition to disclosing \"sponsorships\", a disclosure on who approached whom and how and ideally what amount, is also in order?", "Yeah, and the guy is arguing that people don't apply critical thinking to this content and so should be accounted for. This isn't a ludicrous suggestion. There already are laws in place that attempt to do this (like mandated disclosure). It's just about where the line is drawn and if different kind of content (educational) have a further burden of disclosure.", "Why not both?\n\nThe beauty of hydrogen is that its not a dead end like plug and charge and for transportation it works the same way that we currently use vehicular transportation.\n\nAnd its a much more flexible and practical solution for generation shortfalls than the idiotic plans for car battery storage systems.", "Guys! If you don't buy 100 years of Surfshark VPN for 30% off right now your computer machine is gonna explode!!!!", "No, THIS video is a paid advert. Derek said what he was paid to say. If it was a real video, he'd have done the research, and givin a much better account. His other videos are excellent. The problem is that this particular video was an advert disguised as an educational video.", "Veritassium's video makes that comparison.", "Watch the video.", "SED also has a detailed video about how the modern military uses social media as a weapon, with the top brass he interviews using those exact words to describe the video being made. It's not exactly subtle, with Destin spending some time talking about that point specifically.\n\nYes, Destin has biases in favor of the military since he's worked with them professionally and it appears to align with his worldviews. But as a very liberal, anti-military person I still find those videos entertaining and educational, without one ever feeling like I should go sign up for service. Instead I appreciate his ability to make videos about controversial topics without drawing any conclusions other than \"this technology is really cool, let's learn about it\". \n\nAnyone who watches the submarine videos will be very likely to see, or at least have recommended to them, the video about military use of digital technologies. I'm a lot less worried there than I am about veritasium's sponsored videos. Even the recent video about genetic sequencing companies bothered me more than Destin's videos about the military. Veritasium just doesn't do the best job at separating the ads from the content, and doesn't do enough to argue the counterpoints himself. Doesn't mean I dislike his videos, they're generally well made and his math videos are awesome.", "> Why not both?\n\nEssentially because for a long time low emission electricity and green hydrogen will be precious and scarce. Meaning we need to use that electricity as efficiently as possible, and we need to use green hydrogen where it makes the most sense: In industry, heavy transport, construction, farming etc. where battery-electric solutions will often not work. \n\nWith cars, we already have a more efficient solution that's ~10 years ahead of hydrogen anyway. No need to spend billions subsidizing hydrogen cars.", "doesn the car istelf have lidar?", "Then maybe you should watch it again. He's making a pretty good argument as to why Veritasium is being dishonest and using his position to push propaganda for money.", "well tesla is also just lane assistant.", "You're oversimplifying how you're looking at it.\n\nThis \"free\" electricity isn't really \"free\", because you've just pointed out there can be valuable uses for it.\n\nHence, in a market-economy there will be competing uses for it, and one, or a small few, will \"win\" over the others.\n\nPlus, as a slight, but important, side note, there's no way running off purely the \"free excess\" would be enough to power the whole vehicle fleet.\n\nBut, the reason hydrogen is stupid and won't be a \"winner\" is because its full system-efficiency is horrible, and it's trying to do exactly the same job that something else can do better. i.e. batteries.\n\nInstead of producing hydrogen to store, transport, etc. and ultimately put into cars, instead you can just charge batteries, and those batteries can later discharge into cars which also run on batteries (or indeed power homes, etc.).\n\nThis is far more efficient, and has more direct uses, since it is electricity directly, which will be what basically all our infrastructure will directly run off of in the future.\n\ni.e. putting the excess \"free\" electricity into batteries will allow you to do 3-4x the actual useful work with it later, for something that runs directly off electricity (e.g. travel 3-4x the miles in a battery EV, or run an AC unit for 3-4x longer).\n\nSo, in reality, hydrogen's usefulness always falls to doing things batteries literally can't do, such as be storage for very long periods of time (i.e. weeks to months). But batteries are constantly improving, and have a long way to go, whereas hydrogen doesn't have anywhere to go (fundamentally, it can improve in cost).\n\n\nAnd then, in this context hydrogen is not unique or the only solution (i.e. it doesn't have to be hydrogen specifically for this usecase), it must compete with liquid-air, pumped hydro, etc. So would only be desirable if it was the cheapest option.", "It's not hypocritical at all since he isn't discussing VPN's in this video.", ">Tom Nicholas is a far left asshole\n\nExactly, how dare he tell us that Veritasium is lying to us!", "Then maybe you should watch the video again slowly.", "Tom who is not payed figured it out so I dont think it would be a problem for Veritasium.", "The point is that Veritasium is using a position of trust to manipulate its viewers for money.", "dude we get it stop commenting the same thing everywhere.", "The host's accent made this video treacherous. \n\n\n\\Sponsored by the three percenters", "Investing in a dead end just because its got a few years start does not appear to be the smartest way to move forward.\n\nI live in a country which is approaching surplus renewable energy and is starting to roll out hydrogen storage. Its a good solution which diesnt introduce new problems like mineral exploitation and other scarcities.", "> Anyone who watches the submarine videos will be very likely to see, or at least have recommended to them, the video about military use of digital technologies.\n\nThat's a pretty big assumption. You could also argue that in a series of, what? 7? 8? videos he mentions his bias only one time. I give him credit that he mentioned it at all but for my taste he should have a disclaimer at the start of every video in this series explaining his relationship with the military and why he got access. I feel that would be the responsible thing to do.", "Is it really weird? Long critiques take time to make. He could possibly have mentioned it as a late edit/addition but he probably started with the idea for this video before the Ancestry video was out.", "And also \"Veritasium is a very popular science channel who have gained a lot of trust for their educational videos, which makes the aforementioned way worse\". That is a very important part of the thesis, don't skip it.", "Hello, I'm talking to the CEO of reddit now right? because I see reddit.com in my browser bar... How can you seriously say that he can't use the name and picture of the channel/person/video this video is specifically party critiquing", "> Worse yet, he presents things like \"the public perception of the safety of autonomous vehicles have dropped by 5%\" in a light that seems to imply they are -not- as safe as the alternative.\n\nHe's not making a truth claim.\n\nHe's using it to counter a truth claim by Veritasium and to highlight the dishonestly in Veritasium's video.", "And this would be valid if the guy is using the statistic as a truth claim.\n\nHe's not. He's providing contrary evidence to Veritasium's truth claim. Its valid as a part of the critique.", "My first thought was that he's put that tie on then carefully planned how much to untie it", "I mean devil's advocate here but most of his videos that I have seen are in relation to well understood physical phenomena and he has a PHd in Physics. I would be fucking shocked if he was making many mistakes and publishing videos explaining stuff like the uncertainty principle.\n\n\nSeems like this is part of a smaller collection of videos he has made about engineering and stuff that while he has a general idea about. Are far more complicated than explaining why dropping a ball off a dam causes it to fall in unexpected ways", "Did you read the comment that he was responding to?\n\nThey said that if Veritasium missed information (i.e. are wrong) then they are a bad Education Channel and therefore a bad educator. The comment you replied to says that according to that view there are no good \"educators\" then. \n\nDo yeh the guy above basically said that if you are an educator then you can't ever be wrong or you are a bad educator.... \n\n\nDoes that clear it up for you", "He has some really good stuff, even recently, surrounded by some really obvious ads. A drone that walks and flies? Look no matter how much you tell me \"its not cheating\" it might be an improvement on a drone, but it does not really do the same thing a non flying walking bot does because it doesn't balance, it uses to thrust to stabilize itself. If it turned the rotors off and then kept walking, that would be cool. Regardless it really is just a rather unimpressive new tech. Same with the 3d printed rocket, its neat, but everything I know about rockets tells me that weight is a big issue which is the downside to 3d printing a rocket.", "This is a great example of how, for some reason, people on the internet love to interpret what you say in the most “in bad faith” way possible.\n\nI mean, come on. Obviously the creator just made a mistake on the timestamps of his subtitle file. Interpreting the persistance of “fluff and misinformation” to somehow be evidence that he thought his ad placement to be fluff in his video is just ridiculous.\n\nIt’s nearly impossible to have a constructive discussion with someone who insists on interpreting everything you say in this way.", "I mean it is a fluff piece for sure. But it is a bit annoying that it is labeled \"propaganda\". He clearly indicates sponsorship of the video and if you can't put 2 and 2 together about the video being super positive about Waymo specifically like I don't know that you should be watching anything for yourself that doesn't have a big flashing list of all possible conflicts of interest. It is called critical thinking.\n\nThe bigger issue I have here is that a channel that is supposedly spreading unbiased education is now doing ad videos.\n\nI would rather attribute this to someone wanting to get paid so they turned off that part of their brain that hosts their integrity. The reason people watch your channel is because they view you as an unbiased source of information. So when a company sponsors this or that on your channel you have to know that it isn't your \"smart\" audience or whatever they are buying they are buying the ability to try and sneak an ad by the critical thinking of the people who trust you", "What a ridiculous video. Veritasium clearly states that the video is sponsored. In my opinion Veritasium has done nothing wrong. If he didn’t disclose the sponsorship then it’s a different story. What a waste of 55mins.", "I said this elsewhere but.....\n\nI would rather attribute this to someone wanting to get paid so they turned off that part of their brain that hosts their integrity. The reason people watch your channel is because they view you as an unbiased source of information. So when a company sponsors this or that on your channel you have to know that it isn't your \"smart\" audience or whatever they are buying they are buying the ability to try and sneak an ad by the critical thinking of the people who trust you.\n\nWhile this might seem like harsh criticism unless Derek decides to double down on this and pretend like that isn't what he was doing I am willing to forgive and --forget-- critically analyze anything that comes from his channel going forward.", "> I would rather attribute this to someone wanting to get paid so they turned off that part of their brain that hosts their integrity. The reason people watch your channel is because they view you as an unbiased source of information. So when a company sponsors this or that on your channel you have to know that it isn't your \"smart\" audience or whatever they are buying they are buying the ability to try and sneak an ad by the critical thinking of the people who trust you\n\nI mean, yeah, that's pretty much exactly the problem.\n\nAnd there's also the question of integrity. The proper way to do this would be to make it absolutely crystal clear that the following video is sponsored and an ad and not the usual kind of educational video. One quick \"by the way this is sponsored by Waymo so let's go!\" is the legal* minimum here, and not at all what is the right thing to do.", "Ironic.", "[Kitboga](https://youtu.be/CNRdHQJ9AMk) also has a great video on it.", "I guess, but how much sponsorship declaration do you need? Ideally he wouldn't be doing this at all but I also don't think they need more and more disclaimers or larger ones or flashing ones. No one is ever going to be happy with it. Like I said I think the bigger problem is he and others (whether they realize it or not) are trading on years of built trust. Once that shit is broken the advertising will move to another person and the channel will die", "Also interesting to note that while he makes it clear which parts of his videos are sponsored, he's happy to repeat ridiculously inflated claims about how important VPN services are to home users. Spolier: you most likely don't need a VPN at all but he'll happily take Nord's money to repeat their claims.", "> I guess, but how much sponsorship declaration do you need? \n\nOne in the video (at the start, not somewhere 5 minutes in), one in the description, one in the title, ideally. That's about it.\n\nLots of youtubers and streamers have started simply putting \"#ad\" in the title somewhere, and to me, that's perfectly fine. It should at least be in the description, though.", "It is unfortunate, but the issue is that Tom Nicholas currently also lives in a society where he needs to make money and is pressured into doing ads.\n\nAt least it was compartmentalised, but like (I think) Tom Scott mentioned, Nicholas's bar for advertisement scrutiny is just slightly above his own standards.", "bro, just use a vpn and hide from your work ^^^/s", "Yes I wonder how much due diligence this guy has done with his VPN sponsorship. Probably hasn’t even use the product himself.", "Is it a big assumption? Someone willing to sit through a couple hours of videos about submarines would also get recommended a video from the same channel that's also about military technology? Seems pretty likely to me. Personally I never got the feeling that what he was showing was even meant to sway someone into joining the military, it was just a geek geeking out about submarine tech. \n\nI also don't think anyone is operating under the assumption that Destin decided on his own to join a submarine crew during a training exercise in the far arctic, of course they chose him and asked him to do it. Expecting someone to disclose that the military funded and reviewed their videos on a submarine, videos that were heavily censored and required pretty high security clearance just for Destin to film, that's just naive. He was invited to go on a nuclear sub? No shit, of course he was. The existence of those videos is the admission that they're propaganda by the military. Anyone that uses it as inspiration to enlist was going to anyway. Thinking that he needs to make the same disclaimer at the beginning of every video in a 9 part series in just dumb, IMO. It's already pretty damn obvious.", "> Is it a big assumption?\n\nYes it is! Come on now. You know how social media works. Not everyone who the algorithm decides to show this video to is a subscriber. So how would they know that Destin works for the military? They can't.\n\nWhat is obvious to you may not be obvious to everyone. And, even if it is obvious, it still works and is still propaganda.", "Fair enough. Seems reasonable. Just kinda wish people wouldn't be so easily bought for these things. Reminds me of a video I saw recently about Logitech's new \"streamer\" webcam. Guy got one for free then proceeded to give one of the more honest reviews I have seen in a while.", "Sorry but no, that's not the point, that's a point. And it's a valid one that no one is disputing. Another point is that no one I know here in the states is using them for privacy or expecting that from them. We're using them to get around our ISP policing of our torrenting activities only. And for that they work perfectly.", "I didn't realize it was part of the script, I just saw 'fluff' as the only subtitle for awhile, with no text about the ad, and then 'misinformation' show up. I didn't think much until seeing your comment. never saw him before, so was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was self-aware and essentially self-deprecating.", "For those that don't look at youtube comments ( I don't blame you), Veritasium responded to the video with this:\n\n>Tom, I’m happy to receive your constructive criticism, but I’m disappointed you didn’t fix any of the factual errors we alerted you to via email before you launched this video. Examples: \n23:42 You cherry-picked this quote to make it seem like the NTSB blamed automation for the crash, when the report focuses squarely on human error: “The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crew’s mismanagement of the airplane’s descent during the visual approach, the Pilot Flying’s unintended deactivation of automatic airspeed control, the flight crew’s inadequate monitoring of airspeed, and the flight crew’s delayed execution of a go-around after they became aware that the airplane was below acceptable glidepath and airspeed tolerances.” \n32:37 Self-driving cars have maps including traffic control so they would know where stop signs are meant to be even if road markings aren’t there or stop signs are obscured. Plus they have better obstacle detection and avoidance than human drivers. \n39:16 I’m not saying rare accidents don’t happen, I’m saying they happen less often than common accidents, many of which could be prevented by self-driving cars. I sent you an academic paper that recreated in simulation 72 real-world fatal accidents that occurred in the area where Waymo operates. In almost all cases the accident was avoided or mitigated by the Waymo driver. Why did you omit this study? \n47:03 It’s well understood that autonomous cars properly coordinated could reduce traffic because they don’t have the same reaction time delays as humans. For example all cars at an intersection could start moving together instead of one at a time as we currently do. \n47:10 We don’t have to increase the car utilization rate to 100% to reclaim significant value. If cars were parked 90% of the time instead of 95%+ we would only need half as many vehicles. \nIsn’t it ironic that a video purporting to call out misinformation itself contains so many distortions and factual errors? (Which we pointed out in advance but you didn’t feel compelled to fix) \nOn the issues themselves, I like public transport. I also ride a bike, and enjoy walking to get around when it’s practical. But cars will be a part of the transport mix for the foreseeable future. And it’s my opinion, based on the evidence, that roads will be safer the more cars are driven by computers than humans. No one has to pay me to tell you that.", "[Veritasium's response and Tom's response to Veritasium's response.](https://n.0x0.st/Tom_Nicholas/status/1451087071544754179#m)\n\nOnly read after you watch the video obviously :)", "I don't get how vpns work. My friend tried various VPNs and kept getting letters from the ISP warning him for downloading torrents. Seems like a VPN should prevent the ISP from seeing him download torrents.", "And Tom's response. We wouldn't want to omit this, right?\n\n----\n\nTom Nicholas\n\n8 hours ago\n\nHiya,\n\nAs I said in my reply to the email from your team, my decision to make this video came from a place of disappointment rather than animosity. As such, it’s a real shame to see you again coming out swinging in response to my points rather than the video giving you any pause for thought surrounding your relationships with sponsors.\n\nI’m glad to see that you've taken on board my critiques of your initial rebuttals to this video and attempted to strengthen them. I imagine you know the flaws in these responses to what you mistakenly call \"factual errors\" but I'll do you the courtesy of replying to them anyway.\n\n23:42 You accuse me of cherry-picking here. However, the very next sentence from that which you quote states that 'Contributing to the accident were (1) the complexities of the autothrottle and autopilot flight director systems that were inadequately described in Boeing’s documentation and Asiana’s pilot training, which increased the likelihood of mode error [...]'. The reality is that, as in your original video, you're working on the false presumption that humans and automated/autonomous technologies are in conflict with one another. However, as is the case here, such technologies are always going to involve human interaction and they therefore need to be designed in ways that ensure that those interactions don't lead to accidents (as the Acting Chairman of the NTSB states in the quote included in my video). You use the crash of Flight 214 as an example of human failure with the implication that automated systems could have avoided the crash; it is disingenuous and distasteful to have eliminated all mention of autothrottle from your version of events just because it didn't suit the argument you wanted to make.\n\n32:37 It is, again, completely disingenuous to refuse to mention the maps which Waymo vehicles rely on when it suits your argument during your initial video but to now hold them up as a vital part of the technology. You spoke as though those maps didn’t exist in the video and so it was only fair, in critiquing your video, to respond in kind.\n\nA further point for consideration here is the extent to which creating maps/scans for the entirety of even the United States (let alone other countries too) is practical. That seems like a highly intensive task which would be very costly, possibly to the point it’s unworkable.\n\n39:16 Two points here:\n\nFirstly, you do not say in your video at all that the kinds of accidents considered when people discuss the ethical implications of driverless cars “could be prevented by self-driving cars”—you say they’re rare and quickly move on.\n\nSecondly, the “academic paper” your team sent over was a write up of a study produced for Waymo and written by Waymo staff. I can’t seem to find any instance of it being published in a reputable journal (or a journal at all for that matter) or of it being subject to peer review. It is also, as one might expect, based entirely upon accidents which occured in the few suburbs of Phoenix where Waymo cars presently operate (and have had years of “training” in) and so it would be improper to suggest that its findings would be representative of a wider roll out to locations that Waymo’s cars have not been fine-tuned for or where conditions differ.\n\n47:03 While they might have an impact, the idea that these tiny bits of time saved here and there would eliminate congestion is optimistic. The more extreme version of this (included in the CGP Grey video you’re referencing) in which all autonomous vehicles “talk” to one another (or even just to the traffic lights) would require such a level of implementation and standardisation that it is unlikely even in the medium term to the point where it’s a fun thought experiment but little more.\n\n47:10 I make no such claim that we would need to “increase the car utilization rate to 100% to reclaim significant value” in my video. I merely state that the use of the 95% figure is misleading as it ignores several important caveats (like the existence of the nighttime). Even a figure which related to the percentage of the daytime that cars go unused would have been more useful to use here—it may not have given you such an impressive figure but it would have been a fairer representation of the reality.\n\nTo reiterate, suggesting that my video contains “distortions” and “factual errors” is deeply disingenuous. Nevertheless, I know that, whatever the circumstances, someone suggesting that you’ve acted improperly is a horrible experience. I hope that, with the passage of time, you’ll take on board some of the thoughts provided here about your relationships with sponsors.\n\nBest wishes,\n\nTom", "Yup, thank you. I didn’t know he responded. Good to have all the dialogue.", "This is incorrect though because with self driving cars for a majority it will be more like a subscription service that functions like uber rather than owning a personal vehicle. I do agree with a majority of the video, but he is right that his points at the end of the video are just incorrect.", "Someone did... The U.S. government and citizens. They created the GPS satellites and LandSat photo satellites that Google and everyone uses.", "My friend got 2 letters for torrenting with Nord. I don't understand how that's possible but it immediately made me realize they don't work.", "Some other creators chimed in with their thoughts in the comments:\n\n\n> Medlife Crisis\n\n> 16 hours ago\n\n> As you know Tom, I really appreciate your efforts to draw attention to this growing trend of educational YouTubers allowing their trust and audience to be leveraged by corporate agendas, perhaps even unaware themselves that they are being used in this way. Many of us esp in the sciencey space have discussed this privately and feel full integration is not a good idea, but I’m not convinced the audience really sees the problem, suggesting they simply believed their favourite YouTuber’s educational video about Bill Gates, the WEF or Waymo \n\n----\n\n> Not Just Bikes\n>\n> 14 hours ago\n\n> I would like to think that my channel is one that promotes the solutions you were getting at near the end of this video: public transportation, cycling, and walkable cities.\n> \n> I worked my whole career in tech, but I'm a firm skeptic of self-driving cars. \n> \n> One of my biggest issues with them is that a lot of the problems they aim to solve are \"American\" issues, that stem from decades of car-dependent cities. Yes, if you design a city such that everyone needs to drive everywhere all the time, you have problems of crippling traffic, high transportation costs, and dangerous roads. None of these issues really exist in walkable cities with high quality public transport, however. \n> \n> So I see driverless cars as a highly speculative and expensive solution to a problem that really shouldn't exist in the first place. Not to mention the potentially seriously negative implications of having city criss-crosses with high-speed, high-traffic roads full of autonomous vehicles. \n> \n> To me, self-driving cars really seem like a desperate attempt to maintain car-dependent places and car-centric suburbia with a flashy technical gadget, rather than an actual solution to the problems facing cities. \n\n----\n\n> Real Engineering\n\n> 17 hours ago (edited)\n\n> This is great and needed to be said. I worked with Gates Foundation. Don’t think it quite fits into this narrative, but I would say that I wouldn’t work them again.\n> \n> Full integrations are a signal you shouldn’t trust a channel. I see some multi millionaire creators use the excuse of “this helps us fund future videos” as an excuse. That’s bullshit. Do sponsorships fund content. Yes. Do you need to sacrifice your integrity to work with a sponsor? No", "Induced demand isn't a ever-present foregone conclusion. It's a result of excess latent demand, not increased capacity. Increased capacity is just what allows the latent demand to manifest. \n\nIf latent demand isn't present, then induced demand doesn't happen when you ease congestion.", "Interestingly, that very video (The Future of Reasoning) is called out in this video as an example of the Bill Gates Foundation sponsorship also being propaganda on YouTube.", "You are right, but I consider that the bill gates foundation part of the video doesn't take away or change the message of the video overall.", "I was bothered with how little he argued against the people working for a company that essentially wants everyone's DNA on file. Lots of respect for people willing to give up their livelihood to educate and fight against that sort of thing - Snowden, for instance. It seemed Derek just threw them softballs and I find it to be a deeply disturbing issue.", "Wait, which technology is a dead end and why? Electric cars are a dead end?", "There's more to creating a navigable map than a gps signal and a satellite image but you get the drift.", ">But as a very liberal, anti-military person I still find those videos entertaining and educational without one ever feeling like I should go sign up for service.\n\n>Personally I never got the feeling that what he was showing was even meant to sway someone into joining the military, it was just a geek geeking out about submarine tech.\n\n>The existence of those videos is the admission that they're propaganda by the military. Anyone that uses it as inspiration to enlist was going to anyway.\n\nSee, that's exactly why those submarine videos are excellent propaganda! \n\nThose like you and me are gonna watch the submarine videos and go \"Ooo, that's super cool!\" and move on with our lives, but those who are susceptible to it, may not immediately enlist, but are gonna be skewed towards it, even if only slightly.\n\nI should emphasize that not everybody, very few in fact, are going to be immediately convinced to enlist. \nIt's a process, as it almost always is.\n\nThose susceptible may view future US military propaganda less critically after having been primed by the submarine videos.\n\nSome others may not protest as loudly, if at all, when the US military makes bad decisions that costs lives to non-US humans in other corners of the world. \nManufacturing consent at play.\n\nNot everybody is influenced the same way. It depends on who you are, where you are and when(how old) you are.\n\nSome are influenced into taking an action and others, into not taking an action.\n\nThey may even proceed to become unwitting defenders of the United States empire, because they felt they were being \"patriotic\".\n\nSo in the future, if they ever stumble across say, [a video examining the \"malpractices\" of the CIA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI), they're gonna be less receptive to it, even though it's true.", "Tbh, I’ve had really good luck with it, but it’s pretty easy to forget you’re still seeding before you turn it off. I started using a dedicated pc.", ">Essentially, the claims how these cars are super duper self driving kinda go out the window when it turns out that literally all routes are predetermined and 3d-scanned beforehand so the car knows where it is at all times (it doesn't use GPS). So it cannot drive roads it has not seen before.\n\nMost of the time, I do not drive roads I haven't seen before either.", "It's a stupid part of the thesis, given that the sponsorship was disclosed and this isn't a paper in Nature.", ">Are you arguing that a video seemingly about self driving cars, but sponsored by a self driving car company, is considered an ad to the same degree that an actual ad during an ad break is?\n\nActually, yes. At least the self driving video taught us something about their methods.", ">The reason people watch your channel is because they view you as an unbiased source of information. \n\nThen those people are stupid, given that no information is unbiased.\n\nThey should be watching to learn something, not have their opinions fed to them. Why does the audience have to be coddled, especially given the disclaimer. \n\n> While this might seem like harsh criticism unless Derek decides to double down on this and pretend like that isn't what he was doing I am willing to forgive and --forget-- critically analyze anything that comes from his channel going forward. \n\nWhy would you not do this? Of course short youtube videos leave things out. That is the nature of the medium.", "> Yeah, and the guy is arguing that people don't apply critical thinking to this content and so should be accounted for. This isn't a ludicrous suggestion.\n\nYes, it is. He performed the 'mandated disclosure'. How much hand holding does the general public need?", "I've noticed that since Tom Scott's video, more VPN sponsorships have been becoming more \"honest\" and focusing things like being able to watch TV shows on other countries. I suspect there's a connection here in VPN companies changing their marketing strategies in response.", "> Edit: That being said, I am amused that OP's video is sponsored by a VPN, and now I wonder if they would ever publish a video critical of VPNs.\n\nAlso, it's on YouTube", "> Waymo is trying to restrict our view of what the future will look like instead of high speed rail it will be self-driving cars. Waymo is looking for people we trust to bring us this message, and Derek is shilling for them without looking at other solutions to the problems. It is an issue for trusted voices to become shills.\n\nWaymo is working within what US infrastructure will be in the future. We can't even get people vaccinated or wear mask. You expect the US to shell trillions out to completely revamp its shipping infrastructure?\n\nSaying 'cars will dominate US infrastructure in the future' is as much propaganda as saying 'the sky will still be blue in 30 years'.", "Way how is \"plug and charge\" a dead end vs hydrogen?\n\nYou realize hydrogen cells are at their basic idea a chemical battery. Hydrogen cars are electric cars through and through and hydrogen cells aren't necessarily a lot more eco friendly or longer lifespan.", "I agree. Climate change isn't really the subject of that video.", "Wait, so Smarter Every Day has to post disclaimers that his videos are sometimes (obviously) military propaganda because it might influence people with a different world view than you to perform actions that you're against but are otherwise completely legal and widely accepted in broader society?\n\nA) that's naive to think that a simple disclaimer would change anything. B) that's stupid. A guy who makes videos on youtube owes you nothing just because you disagree with how he puts a disclaimer on his videos. C) people are allowed to think what they want about the military, even if it's wrong.\n\nAnyway, I'm done arguing this. Youtuber making videos with the navy doesn't fully disclose his ties to the navy in some videos he made on a nuclear sub (after doing so in other videos), you get angry that a hypothetical Billy Bob is going to dismiss evidence that the CIA/military did something bad. Wat.", "Wow a lot to unpack here but I would like to focus on one thing specifically. He doesn't make opinion videos at least generally. He is a science educator / communicator and the last time I checked hard science i.e. physics is most certainly unbiased. \n\nThe reason they are using him to promote Waymo is only because he is known as someone you can generally trust to explain concepts to non Scientists in a way that makes sense. So when he makes what amounts to an advertisement for someone as a full video people who otherwise might not have the time or ability to otherwise be educated on the subject take his video as truth for better or worse.\n\nNow as for your assertion that people are \"stupid\". May I offer some advice? Calm down. Many people may not have the background to actually analyze everything that he makes and evaluate if they are accurate claims.\n\nAlso, it is hardly \"stupid\" for a layman to accept his opinion on emerging technologies or theories as being well reasoned and researched on a subject at face value as that is why many people watch his videos and he markets himself as a PHd holding science educator with a pretty great track record.\n\nFinally, YouTube doesn't have any requirements as to how long a video can be and even if it did that is hardly relevant here. No one myself included is asking for a full 30 hr lecture series on every subject but certainly you can understand that when it is obvious that he at the very least knowingly omitted some of the more obvious criticisms and or misrepresented the data to make this advertisement look like an open and shut case it doesn't look good from an educator standpoint.", "Tom (Nicholas) has mentioned the difference in the past - at least in his view - in his video on Johnny Harris. The exact timestamp should be this: https://youtu.be/Dum0bqWfiGw?t=1099\n\nBut basically, he sees a major difference between what he calls 'integration' (especially, an ad break/spot - what he does - which still allows creative control over the rest of the video) and 'Sponsored Posts', where the entire video is the deal. Which I think is a pretty understandable/fair way to look at it ethically, especially when full-time creators need some amount of reliable income.", "The example given in the video goes a bit further than that, actually - it's saying that it would be classified as a driver error if there was a chance afterwards to react to the impending crash, even if what we would assign as the primary error would be the view obstruction.", "interesting that Tom didn't mention the stuff in the Veritasium comment given that Veritasium apparently sent it over prior to the video's release. A quick: \"when brought up with veritasium he said this on this point which doesn't address the problem because of X\" would have made Tom's video like 50x stronger.", "oh fuck. His dude takes a DUMP right in Veritasium's mouth. a HUGE DUMP. and then he does it AGAIN. and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN", "Well, to use a basic definition of propaganda:\n\n>Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.\n\nFrom: https://www.britannica.com/topic/propaganda\n\nAnd a little lower, comparing on educators:\n\n>Comparatively deliberate selectivity and manipulation also distinguish propaganda from education. Educators try to present various sides of an issue—the grounds for doubting as well as the grounds for believing the statements they make, and the disadvantages as well as the advantages of every conceivable course of action. Education aims to induce reactors to collect and evaluate evidence for themselves and assists them in learning the techniques for doing so. It must be noted, however, that some propagandists may look upon themselves as educators and may believe that they are uttering the purest truth, that they are emphasizing or distorting certain aspects of the truth only to make a valid message more persuasive, or that the courses of action that they recommend are in fact the best actions that the reactor could take.\n\nI think that paid adverts, that deliberately only mention the positives of something fall under propaganda (in the neutral sense of the term, not the one that makes it automatically negative) and no longer educational content. That's essentially what the video is saying - Tom (the creator of it) is worried about the conflict of interests that comes when there's 'educational' channels that take money/make fully sponsored videos for a company/group, that ends up only presenting one side of the argument (and thus, becoming propaganda) and the impact it has.\n\nThe 'clearly an advert' will be there for some viewers, but others will still walk away with just remembering all the great stuff about self-driving vehicles and think they're completely ready to be on the streets - which is kind of the point of the video, at least from Waymo's perspective. Ads work.", "Well, I think the point of that video that that information is relevant to any discussion on self-driving cars is true.\n\nThe response video obviously didn't give the positives to the current state of things, because it's explicitly in response to/commenting on what the Veritasium video omitted. But it's not a video about self-driving cars, really - it's a video about ethics of sponsorship/how sponsored content often works by omitting important facts. \n\nSo IDK, it doesn't really need to re-hash all the positives of the tech that Veritasium already does, you know?", "Self driving cars are the over-engineered solution to a problem that has a much simpler, vastly safer, cheaper and more productive solution. Public transit. Seriously, go to Tokyo and tell me that transit is not the answer. Literally never had to wait longer than a few mins for a train and could get from anywhere to anywhere else in a time almost as fast or faster in some cases than a car.", "It is OK to discard an assertion about reality, without providing an alternative explanation. There are many ways to do this, mostly simply based on the merits of the argument or its assumptions.", "Maybe come out with less steam next time, you might be partially or completely wrong", "Uh... I am not u/BubiBalboa. You're responding to someone else :)\n\nDelete/Edit your comment and reply to the appropriate person.", "You must be used to watching bite sized \"hit-pieces\" or \"takedown\" videos, I presume? \nBecause this video is definitely not one of those.\n\nConstructive criticism and commentary such as this video takes time and careful consideration of the data at hand, especially when someone is misleading in a non-obvious way.", "> he feels more like an entrepreneur than a science educator now\n\nI prefer entrepreneur over \"corporate shill\" but yes, it would be nice if he went back to basics.", "Yep. People downvoting you arent thinking. \n\nThis is a guy who does educational videos then did an ad as if it were one of his videos. That's scumbaggy as hell and a 30 second disclaimer doesn't cover it. Not when he isn't being informative here or giving this the treatment he normally would.", "> For example all cars at an intersection could start moving together instead of one at a time as we currently do.\n\nuh, no, not unless we want to eliminate distances between the car while driving altogether.", "Only if it's configured correctly. It's possible to be connected to a VPN and still send some traffic across your normal connection.", "> A further point for consideration here is the extent to which creating maps/scans for the entirety of even the United States (let alone other countries too) is practical. That seems like a highly intensive task which would be very costly, possibly to the point it’s unworkable.\n\nGoogle already has more than half the United States mapped: \n maps.google.com \n \n> The more extreme version of this (included in the CGP Grey video you’re referencing) in which all autonomous vehicles “talk” to one another (or even just to the traffic lights) would require such a level of implementation and standardisation that it is unlikely even in the medium term to the point where it’s a fun thought experiment but little more. \n \nThis is clearly nonsense. Obviously a machine is going to react faster to a light turning green and/or the car in front rolling faster than a human. It should be obvious that a line of cars at a traffic light will move through quicker with AI assistance, even without any standardization. And standardization of communication is easily possible. Hell it was done back in the days of AM radio and exists even now on the internet. \n \nOverall this is a terrible response. I don't see how he responded to any of the criticisms directly...", "What a vague and useless comment you have posted here. What he says about the VPN is false and he is a hypocrite for complaining about Veritasium using half truths and misleading information to describe a product while he's doing the same thing. I do agree with him that Veritasium shouldn't have just shrugged for 3 seconds like the sponsor was just a minor thing but I also think this applies to him just casually introducing a garbage product with misleading and worthless information and then moving on. I don't think it's as bad as Veritasium's 18 min biased video but it's still bad.", "If the name of your channel is literally translatable as \"truth\", and the focus of your channel is the dissemination of scientific information, you've made a personal choice to hold yourself and your work to a higher standard. This behavior might not be immoral, but when compared to the standard Veritasium created for themselves it's deplorable imo.", "He is absolutely misrepresenting the truth about VPNs in his sponsored segment what are you even on about?", "Agreed. Him doubling down on his stance in the YouTube comments isn't helping... imho", "Vertasium made a few more comments after that\n\n> \"I use H&S, drive an electric car, want to go to space (not a sponsored video btw) and I think AVs will save lives. I make videos about things I believe in. That’s my moral code. Many of my teen viewers want to become engineers and scientists and work at these companies. If you don’t like certain tech that is up to you.\"\n\n\\\n\n> \"Tom’s claim is that my video is biased due to financial interest. To substantiate this claim he cherry-picks misleading quotes, and outright lies about shortcomings of the tech. If my video were really biased surely he could cite an actual example where Waymo’s AVs fall short. The biggest shortcoming of self-driving tech is that it’s in its infancy but I thought that much was obvious.\"\n\n\\\n\n> \"Did Tom make the case against public transport here? eg. It’s not economical in sparsely populated areas, requires significant upfront expenditure, might require reclaiming of land for railway lines etc. He didn’t, but I don’t think he had to because 1. he’s making an argument and 2. we can all use our brains to think of cases where public transport is more and less effective. My point is you don’t need to walk through every positive and negative of anything, such is the nature of having an opinion.\"\n\n\nAnd this comment from mothafuckn `Real Engineering`, one of the best engineering youtube channels\n\n> \"@Veritasium Come on Derek. You know better than this. These are straw men arguments to distract from the actual point. Your BMW sponsored video about electric cars failed to mention a single other electric car. That isn’t an inaccuracy, it’s a deliberate omission of information because BMW paid you to not mention their competitors. You know how these sponsorships work, own up to it.\"\n\nMy analysis? Veritasium made a triple uh oh", "You don't need to wait for the future for this to be a reality, you just need to use any of the available public transportation systems available in my city.\n\nI had to do that for a full year several years ago. It was literally this.", ">But it didn't tho because a lot of vitally important information wasn't talked about because the guys playing him didn't want him to show the negatives.\n\nNothing in the video said \"I am also going to examine all of the negatives in the self driving space\".\n\nYour comment is invalid :)", ">Saying 'cars will dominate US infrastructure in the future' is as much propaganda as saying 'the sky will still be blue in 30 years'.\n\nYes, and all of energy will be fossil fuel based, because it has always been that way. /s\n\nPeople decide what infrastructure gets built. People can change how it is used. \n\nDedicated lanes for buses is a great example. Fleets of buses which don't get stuck in traffic.\n\nThis is a proposed 20 lane highway in Huston. [https://i.redd.it/idxqwa4sslu71.png](https://i.redd.it/idxqwa4sslu71.png)\n\nDoes that look cost effective? Can you image the taxes associated with that?", "Worthless comments to embellish a product advertising gimmick to you. Saying that it your browsing safe and secure is also and advertising gimmick to you I assume. SUch a dumb and obvious troll lmao.", "Completely. He's completely wrong lol", "lol", ">He is a science educator / communicator and the last time I checked hard science i.e. physics is most certainly unbiased.\n\nIt is most certainly not. In fact, it is often the most biased thing; it's just that bias is supported with experiment and hard data. For example, I am extremely biased that the Earth is round, and that computer reaction to sensor data is faster than a human.\n\n> The reason they are using him to promote Waymo is only because he is known as someone you can generally trust to explain concepts to non Scientists in a way that makes sense. So when he makes what amounts to an advertisement for someone as a full video people who otherwise might not have the time or ability to otherwise be educated on the subject take his video as truth for better or worse.\n\nHe literally says 'this is a sponsored video'. Moreover, everything said in the video is true. It seems people are angry he left out discussion of certain negatives, or that he like, didn't discuss trains? Holding every 'science communicator' to that standard would be impractical; I don't say PBS spacetime is 'lying' if they present a video on special relativity, because they don't discuss it in the frame of general relativity, or mention that such a frame is incompatible with quantum mechanics.\n\nEssentially, why are we holding the failings of the stupid and inept to be the video creator's problem?\n\n> Now as for your assertion that people are \"stupid\". May I offer some advice? Calm down. Many people may not have the background to actually analyze everything that he makes and evaluate if they are accurate claims.\n\nThis seems hilariously ironic, given you are the one up in arms about a pop-sci youtube video, saying that maybe you'll forgive his 'transgressions' if he prostrates himself in apology.\n\n> Finally, YouTube doesn't have any requirements as to how long a video can be and even if it did that is hardly relevant here. No one myself included is asking for a full 30 hr lecture series on every subject but certainly you can understand that when it is obvious that he at the very least knowingly omitted some of the more obvious criticisms and or misrepresented the data to make this advertisement look like an open and shut case it doesn't look good from an educator standpoint.\n\nIt is heavily arguable he did either of those two things.", "Now, he might have added it more recently, but not only is the sponsorship declared at 0:36 in the video, it is also in the description. So by your standards, Derek is fulfilling reasonable disclosure.", "I don't see a difference other than magnitude. In both instances, it was disclosed to me that the segment/video was an ad, and then the youtuber proceeded to try to sell me on a product. In both instances I was made aware it was an ad and took it with a grain of salt. In both instances it preys upon people who don't realize this and feeds false or misleading information to the viewers in hopes they buy into something.\n\nIt's like stealing from the store while reporting someone who stole something of higher value than you did. You are still a hypocrite.\n\nThe line in the sand was drawn awhile ago either way. Disclose what is sponsored content and what isn't...that's it. You wanna draw a new line? Discuss that instead of attacking people. Feeding the outrage machine like this with drama when you are also a hypocrite about the same topic. Not a good look.\n\nI literally cringed when he went right from criticizing Veritasium to a VPN sponsor. Of course, he isn't going to drop that precious ad revenue from this video, he's just gonna move the line in the sand to worse than he's doing but not worse than the other guy.", "Wow ok well this is the point where I leave you. Pretending that the \"bias\" anyone is speaking about equates to empirical fact is well disingenuous at best.\n\nAdditionally not everything he said in the video is actually true as has been brought up in other areas of discussion and at best he misrepresented certain reports most likely at the behest of Waymo.\n\nLastly you seem to want to pretend this is some high science video and it isn't. You are drawing false equivalency. It's an advertisement and only that. If the dude making this criticism video can find the obvious flaws in the Waymo propaganda then I'm sure either Derek or his channel would have been able to find them. \n\nAs I said though for someone who seems to like calling others stupid you are doing your best to commit every logical fallacy in your carrying water for this channel.\n\nBasically, my initial point still stands. He did a poorly researched video that was not really a sponsored video but a full on advertisement. He traded on years of quality content to make some cash. Going forward I will continue to enjoy the channel but will likely not recommend it to anyone else as I cannot trust that he won't make some video extolling the virtues of clean coal or some shit for a big enough sack of cash.", "when the title is literally \"Veritasium: A Story of YouTube Propaganda\" then you've gone beyond \"constructive criticism\". At that point you better show me the best evidence you have within 20 minutes of blabbering.", "That rocket video was also a completely uncritical ad for that company, too. Creepy techno-future nonsense interview at the end, as well, like Mars is gonna save the world. Terrible.", "Liking veritasium doesn't mean you're required to completely miss the point.", "> Yes, and all of energy will be fossil fuel based, because it has always been that way. /s\n\nI mean, I would note here that proportion of US energy served by fossil fuels is basically unchanged in the past 20 years. Moreover, integrating renewables into the grid, and electric cars into US roads, does not involve completely reorganizing our infrastructure. Mass conversion to mass transit would.\n\nQuite simply, it would involve a complete reorganization of the suburban focus of most of the US. That is not going to be technically or politically feasible in the next 50 years.\n\n> Dedicated lanes for buses is a great example. Fleets of buses which don't get stuck in traffic.\n\nWaymo would love to make self driving buses. Hell, they'd likely tell you that. Good luck getting half of America to go along with that.\n\n> Does that look cost effective? Can you image the taxes associated with that? \n\nEffective? No. Likely passed in the US? Yes. Definitely passed in Texas over public transport? 100% yes.", ">Wow ok well this is the point where I leave you. Pretending that the \"bias\" anyone is speaking about equates to empirical fact is well disingenuous at best.\n\nPretending that engineering decisions, which inevitably involve trade-offs, should be free of 'bias' is disingenuous. Everything you read or see, and anyone worth listening to on any topic, has innate bias. It's whether that bias can be backed up that matters. \n\n> Additionally not everything he said in the video is actually true as has been brought up in other areas of discussion and at best he misrepresented certain reports most likely at the behest of Waymo. \n\nAs someone working in the industry, he really did not, and I could just as easily tear about the minor quibbles about what he presented as easily as he could raise them.\n\n> Lastly you seem to want to pretend this is some high science video and it isn't. It's an advertisement and only that. If the dude making this criticism video can find the obvious flaws in the Waymo propaganda then I'm sure either Derek or his channel would have been able to find them.\n\nLol, no, I am saying everyone bitching is wanting to pretend this is some 'high science videos'. No, everything on this channel is pop-sci. This is no different, at all.\n\nThe dude is straight and stupidly wrong in most of his criticisms, and pointlessly trite in the others.\n\n> As I said though for someone who seems to like calling others stupid you are doing your best to commit every logical fallacy in your carrying water for this channel.\n\nDid you mean to make an ironic ad-hom here?\n\n> Going forward I will continue to enjoy the channel but will likely not recommend it to anyone else as I cannot trust that he won't make some video extolling the virtues of clean coal or some shit for a big enough sack of cash.\n\nMay I offer some advice? Calm down.", "But... this post and all the comments are talking about the marketing and VPN services are marketing heavily towards privacy. Even if you or your anecdotal friends don't use it for those purposes, the marketing is sucking in a lot of people under false promises that don't really work. The marketing should be more honest about what the actual uses are but I'm also sure that no service wants to market themselves as \"piracy friendly\"", "When all you use is the title to ascertain whether a video is constructive criticism or not, then your definition of what you consider consider \"constructive criticism\" is extremely narrow.\n\nSecondly, a video can assert that another is \"Propaganda\" and still constructively criticize it.\n\nThirdly and most crucially, Derek Muller himself from Veritasium has responded to the video in the comments beginning with \n\n> \"Tom, I'm happy to receive your constructive criticism but...\"\n\nI think it's safe to say that this video is constructive criticism. And Veritasium's video is still propaganda.\n\nIf you're someone who's looking an \"Aha! Gotcha!\" moments in this video critiquing Veritasium's, then you won't find any. \nThis is not a takedown video.\n\nI think you should watch the full video but if you absolutely need a really stripped down TLDW, [here.](https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qcaee1/veritasium_a_story_of_youtube_propaganda/hhezx2u/)", "When your title calls someone a propagandist, then you better back it up with proof pretty fucking fast. Otherwise you're gonna seem like you're just being dramatic.", "The idea I think is that batteries are a dead end compared to hydrogen. Transforming the world to renewable energy (from which to produce hydrogen) is easier than endlessly building batteries from scarce resources like lithium, cobalt etc. \n\nNot saying that's my idea or that I support this, I don't know anything.", "> I think that paid adverts, that deliberately only mention the positives of something fall under propaganda (in the neutral sense of the term, not the one that makes it automatically negative) and no longer educational content.\n\nI don't think that anything that does not present a balanced viewpoint is automatically propaganda. To me, the word loses any meaning if it cannot be distinguished from advertisement.\n\nIf the main concern is the difficulty a viewer might have in distinguishing an advert from educational content, I'm willing to concede that it may not be obvious to everyone. I remember when LTT did a video on the Oculus Quest which was paid for by Facebook. In that video they were very upfront that it was an ad and that while they had been paid to make the video, Linus had been given wide latitude to talk about the positives and negatives of the product. He makes it very clear at every chance he gets that whenever a video or segment is sponsored by a company, he is not providing an impartial review of their product. I wish that Derek would have been as open and honest about Waymo as this, but at the same time, I understand both creators need a way to fund their work and if companies are willing to pay huge amounts to promote their product and the creator makes the sponsorship clearly known then I don't morally have a problem with educational creators partaking in that.", "Lol blocked", "This video was clearly an attack on self-driving cars and Veritasium. If it was about viewer critical thinking skills, it would have been just that. Here is a video that is a sponsored ad, this is how you can tell it was a sponsored ad even without the warning, and you should understand that. Instead this video is pushing a claim, with some level of bias which is actually articulated at the beginning, about self driving cars and that Veritasium has committed an ethics violation at the same time.\n\nIf it wasn't meant to be something else, then it failed miserably. All the additional opinions about the misrepresentation of data and misinformation by omission is not relevant to viewers thinking critically in general, it's very specific to the Waymo video and even distracts from the point that science/education youtubers should be held to a higher standard. Too much is focused on self-driving cars as a product.\n\nBut even outside of that, this youtuber is guilty of the exact same thing. He makes his money from advertisements. Both youtube advertisements and sponsored deals (for the VPN in this case). Both of those deals come in and are improved by viewership. And as noted in the video Veritasium is basically one of, if not the, biggest science educator youtube channel on the platform. By creating this video he is going to get views just for that alone, a controversial video about a huge name in the community. That will lead to him either directly getting more money through views or through a better deal in the future with sponsors. You can even see it, this video has been up for 1 day and yet the number of views is almost equal to his previous, which has been up for a month. It's already outperforming his last short video and several of his normal videos from last year. By being critical of Veritasium he is earning or going to earn more money than would otherwise be expected based on his history of other content.\n\nDirect money relationship. Yet is that disclosed anywhere in the video? I didn't see it. Of course I don't think he needs to disclose that, that would be a ridiculous standard and something the viewer should recognize. Just as it's ridiculous for this youtuber to claim a different but as unreasonable standard should apply to Veritasium as if he was doing something improper with the Waymo video.", ">May I offer some advice? Calm down.", "As far as anti-self-driving-car takes go, this one has to be one of the worst. Right, the real problem with self-driving cars is that the gubmint can control where you're allowed to drive. Give me a fucking break. There are a lot of problems with self-driving cars but this one is a ridiculous stretch.\n\nYou already drive on \"pre-approved routes\", they're called roads and they're built and maintained by the government! The government is already allowed to ban you from driving in certain areas, and already does! The government is already able to charge you extra for driving on certain roads, and it already does!", "The thing everyone forgets about \"induced demand\" is after adding an extra lane to the highway, sure, the time to travel might remain constant or even go up, but the overall throughput of the roads is higher. More people are getting to their destination in the same amount of time. Induced demand by itself is not a complete argument against making transportation more efficient per-car.", "Agree to disagree. I think this particular critique of Veritasium's work, is sufficiently nuanced that a shorter video might have fallen short in terms of rigor.\n\nI feel you might not be accustomed to watching longer videos :)", "Caveat emptor, you know. You can look at the upvotes on my comment about why I and others are using it to see it's not an isolated or rare concept. Besides, I've already agreed with you and the side that you're continuing to reference, and you're not going to be able to eliminate what I'm saying or the other reasons for using a VPN holding value, so I'm not sure what's left for this discussion.", "You aren't owed educational videos by Veritaseum, they're made because they're profitable. If you don't like it when he makes commercials it's completely your choice to not watch those videos. Complaining that a small percentage of his videos aren't exactly what you want is incredibly entitled.", "That makes sense, thanks for replying.", ">50x stronger.\n\nI sincerely believe that it was similar incidents like this, as the reason to why Goku will always be stronger than Vegeta", "The fact it's a (formerly?) respected science education channel on youtube is why it matters. The channel built itself on being trustworthy and transparent (See: Veritasium's videos on the Youtube Algorithm and clickbait). They violated that trust with the Waymo video.", "It's okay to lie about facts when you're sponsored now?", "How? They announce it's an advertisement.", "The problem isn't whether self driving cars are viable or not, it's about the fact Veritasium lied in order to make their sponsor look good. The argument they made about the airplane crash is unforgivable from a supposedly trustful source about scientific facts. This a complete violation of trust on the part of Veritasium, very disappointing.", "> real\n\nI mean, I love the RE videos but the latest about the Boeing 787, sounds exactly like the BMW video from Veritasium. RE never mentioned the Airbus C-series that are as advanced, ore more advanced than the Boeing plane. That whole two video series sound like a Boeing dick sucking exercise that I enjoyed to the last second :)...Name one of these youtubers without shady practices or hidden advertisements, come on, lets be real", "When you can't even walk to a store because it's too dangerous you know there's a problem.", "> real\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Po5zT1krKOc?t=21", "Lying in order to make your sponsor look good is never okay, especially when your channel is built on being a trustworthy source of scientific information.", "I'm pretty sure veritasium himself would tell you you are wrong, you don't understand what he's supposed to be doing or what he wants to say he does.", "For another example of the type of disingenuous \"educational\" content the video talks about watch The Physics Girl's series on Toyota's Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles. It's bad.", "Anti self driving cars? Where's the anti in actually pointing out what's going on? Even in the sense of using Google Maps some parts are blocked out, why would you even think it's impossible they'd do that? I don't think it's even a massive problem, just something that anti-establishment people will jump on, and people who like to react to things, like you, will somehow get offended at someone pointing out these possibilities.\n\n>You already drive on \"pre-approved routes\", they're called roads and they're built and maintained by the government! The government is already allowed to ban you from driving in certain areas, and already does! \n\nExactly, so we're in agreement that they would implement these same restrictions on the software driving these cars to begin with, correct? Just like corporations cooperate with the \"gubmint\" today, why wouldn't they simply cordon off these areas? I mean, it's not like the government would approve of them sending in a car to map them in the first place, and with current technology wouldn't be able to even if you wanted to. So why try to paint me as \"anti self driving car\"?\n\nAnd who said anything about charging extra? But hey, nice monetization idea.\n\nI think your comment is really weird. I see no reason to avoid these topics, or try to frame me as some \"anti technology\" freak. These things can happen in some capacity anyway give or take some tweaks and in my opinion probably will, so.. it's strange to me that you'd choose to act vitriolic for someone expressing their opinion.", "The amount of labor to create predetermined routes for self driving cars and to 3d scan every road in the country, to a degree of accuracy that they can be used for self driving cars, is considerably more work than what google maps normally does. Google doesn't 3d scan most roads and the the consequences of their maps being out of date or wrong is that you might be confused, not your car crashing or running through an intersection.", "\"Google already has more than half the United States mapped:maps.google.com\"\n\nYou are ignoring the word \"scanned\" there. 3d scans of every road that are updated as regularly as the roads change, and are updated when road work is done, etc, is a far bigger task than what google has done, and google maps is already a gargantuan project", "I posted this on the other thread for this video (deleted now):\n\n> Stopped watching Veritasium when he explicitly had an ad for 'flushable wipes' and supposedly 'proved' that they are actually flushable when there is an immense amount of research showing that this is completely and utterly false. Destroyed my trust in anything he says immediately. If he's willing to fake a science experiment directly in an ad, what else would he be willing to fake or lie about. \n\n> Here's the '[science experiment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s)' he does to prove that flushable wipes are actually flushable.", "I think all of Derek's 'standards' went out the window when he said that 'flushable wipes' are actually flushable and then made up some fake science experiment that 'proved' it. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s", "Derek has lied in sponsorships before, purporting to perform 'science' experiments to prove the ad. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s\n\nHe knows better. If he'd do it in a simple 'ad' just like this, what can you trust from an entire video that is 'sponsored'. Why would you even watch the video if you don't trust him during an 'ad'?", "then why watch the video at all? If you're not going to trust the educator in specific instances, then why even continue to watch the channel? They obviously drop their standards if they're paid enough, so where does that even end? [Blatant lying in an ad is inexcusable for an educator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s)", "the entire point is that you can't be sure he isn't spreading misinformation. If they will subtly lie by omission in a sponsored video, then what can you trust them on? They're willing to lie for money. And why even watch the video at all if you think it can't be trusted because it's sponsored? That's not how sponsorships work! Look to Tom Scott and his video on VPNs for a fantastic example of this. \n\nTake an ad from Veritasium's video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s), which is what caused me to completely stop trusting him. He acts like he performs an _actual science experiment_ to 'prove' that wipes are flushable, which there is countless research and evidence showing otherwise. It doesn't matter that this is an ad, it's incredibly misleading and unethical.\n\nIf an educator cannot be ethical with their science experiments, no matter if they are an ad or not, then they definitely can't be ethical elsewhere.", "if you want something small, watch his '[ad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI9sG3pjVU&t=982s)' here where he says blatantly false things. do you think it's ok to fake a science experiment for an ad? if you do why? because you realize it's an ad? Other's might not, especially young people who don't have as much experience as you. Disguising anything as science, even in an ad, is unethical and incredibly misleading. Disguising an entire video as science, when the science clearly doesn't matter due to it being an ad, is scummy.", "He's not talking about flushable wipes in general, just that this brand does ~dissolve~ tear/disintegrate. If there is any oil or fat on it it is still gonna be bad for the sewer system, though.", "but it doesn't. it tears. it doesn't dissolve. note that he doesn't actually test against actual toilet paper. paper towels tear. You're still not supposed to flush those. Doesn't matter what brand it is, it's not flushable, unless it's toilet paper. Talk to any water utility, the brand doesn't matter.", "Holy fuck this video is so long and doesn't say a whole lot. fuck lol.", "It's cool because you get to have an insight into how technology is getting better in the self driving car world... I see no reason why it's bad lol.", "Yep. You're not going to have idiots sitting at red lights on their phones then having to wait 4 seconds for them to notice a green light. Idk why he thinks swapping out cars for self driving ones = the same traffic when you won't have to deal with people not having a clue about what's going on at lights...\n\nAwful response, seems like this guy has a massive hate boner for Veritasium", "My purpose with the comment I'm writing right now is not to defend Derek, but to actually agree with you. His standards are flaky. I personally never really took his sponsored videos very seriously. The video about wipes is one that I haven't watched, and to be honest I also never looked into the issue of flushing them, though I wouldn't personally ever try it and also, it is more waste into the water systems we have, which I don't like.\n\nFrom my point of view the issues were kind of clear to me, as we shouldn't blindly trust everybody. I think Derek himself has said to be skeptical or critical of what you are being told or taught, that obviously applies to his own videos. It's a bit sad that his own videos become sort of an exercise to the viewer, but in a way it should be expected. We should do that and it's good that it's being called out. \n\nThe lame part is that him being the \"element of truth\" has taken conscious decisions to select which information is shown, or to sound \"softer\" when it's a topic where it clashes with those that sponsor him. He takes a big slogan or name as a brand for his videos, so I think we're right in expecting a more thorough exploration of certain issues that come up in his videos.\n\nI think it's a bit of a human issue in the end, we can't expect all of us to be fully truthful, correct or apply or own standards to ourselves all of the time. Our values are put to the test in certain contexts and some people are easier to give in, some others aren't. I feel like this situation is similar to people who expect news reporters/media to be unbiased, which is impossible. Information needs to be processed and selected because people can't see everything that happened, that's too much info. So, when the time to select the information comes, the bias favors money and those whose lives depend on it, some information passes and the rest is omitted. And in the worst case scenario, straight up lies are fabricated.\n\nPersonally, I think that he should address this more publicly, as there's a good chance that many people might have not noticed the bias in his big sponsored videos. Still I don't think this invalidates some of his other works, at least the videos he did this year on math problems and the downwind ones have been pretty great overall, and don't seem as questionable as others.\n\nI feel like all over the place with this comment, like I think that he has a big responsibility with this video, but also I feel like it's not as big of a deal as we should always be critical of his content. And I felt most people already were (though it's obviously wrong of me to assume so). I'm trying to be as transparent as I can myself. Now I can't decide, sorry for the stream of consciousness, haven't slept a lot this last few days because of work lol.", "Yeah but it has BS talking points in it. A VPN doesn't let you safely browse the web, an adblocker can, because it's more likley to block malware links, but you can still go around downloading virus's on a vpn.", "> being a bit confused when he suggested that driverless cars could solve the problems caused by cars.\n\nWhy? They could solve a lot of problems, such as phantom traffic, people sitting on their phones, people being on their phones at red lights... I fail to see why you're confused.", "Isn't that what sponsorship is? Manipulation and half truths to sell a product?", "Not framing you as anti-technology. Just saying it’s a bad take. If you want to drive somewhere that doesn’t have a sanctioned self-driving route, why not just grab the steering wheel and drive there yourself?", "If you think Tom's video is about self driving cars, the point is flying high over your head.", "Yes, you did.\n\nAnd that's not the issue, I'm just saying it's possible and in my opinion, probable. That's not a bad \"take\", it's just stating a possibility and instead of maybe expounding and maybe diminishing its implications, you talk about previous technology existing, I honestly don't care about speaking with someone with such a dishonest way to discuss things.\n\nHey, if we don't want to have our conversations recorded digitally we can just use letters or speak in front of each other. And from that you will interpret I mean everyone should avoid using it. Honestly, I don't care about your opinion. /disable inbox reply notifications", ".", ".", "Those are all incredibly minor, and none of them are the cause of crowded roads. If anything, I can see self-driving cars reducing the frustration of sitting in traffic, and making more people crowd onto roads anyway.\n\nYou get a lot more benefits from improved walking/cycling infrastructure and better public transit than you would from saving a couple of seconds at a traffic light.", "Alrighty then", "Yeah sure you get more benifit out of walking, cycling infrastructure, no one's saying you don't.", "Waymo's product/business model will be more like Uber's, you will be buying rides and not the car, so these restrictions won't be as noticeable. \n\nTesla's model is different, obviously, but their technology does not rely on these sorts of detailed maps; making it both more potentially useful and also potentially harder to get full-self-driving really working.", "I mean it's whataboutism. Pretty clearly a faulty way to argue. If when faced with criticism you instead say \"well this guy did something too!\" then that's not really a defense that's just changing the subject.\n\nEither way i don't really care about the guy in the video or what he does, i don't watch his videos. I'm pretty sure even veritasium has done VPN ads, or at least all his peers have done so. And i don't think that if you have a clear ad break during the video then that's not a problem. If veritasium did a video on the science of VPN's and it was sponsored by NordVPN then yea, that would be a problem.", "Yes of course but it's an AD. Ads lie. Veritasiums video was sponsored by Waymo. He doesn't say from the start \"oh btw guys this is a 10 minute advertisement\". There is so obviously clearly a difference between an ad being read out word for word during an ad break, and then content that's meant to be scientific on a technical topic, sponsored by a company.\n\nIf the argument is that veritasiums video was actually a 10 minute advertisement and was meant to be that and nothing else, then ok. Like it was no different from a VPN read apparently?", "No, they weren't mentioned at all, like a lot of things (such as how driverless cars could make traffic worse due to increasing the volume of cars). That's the issue, especially on a channel like Veritasium's with the facade of education, when the whole video is poorly researched and missing vital relevant information. It's just an advertisement.", "It's shit like this that makes me want to give up trying to figure out what's right or wrong. Literally everything could come with a \"well, actually...\" that it feels hopeless to get to the bottom of any issue. there's a point, then a counter-point, then a counter-counter point, then a counter-counter-counter point and so on forever.", "No, it means a company is patronizing your activity, that's it. That doesn't make it okay to lie.", "The sponsorship is disclosed in both the description and 33 seconds into the video. Shouldn't you have fact checked this before making these complaints?", "But.... that's the exact poster that Tom Nicholas's video takes towards Veritasium.", "It's not hidden. It's not lying by omission. It's probably not even in the top 10 list of hardest obstacles to overcome to deploy self-driving cars everywhere. Creators/journalists/teachers omit items because they are relatively insignificant. They edit content.", "> It's probably not even in the top 10 list of hardest obstacles to overcome to deploy self-driving cars everywhere.\n\nIt's not? Why not?", "> In both instances it preys upon people who don't realize this and feeds false or misleading information to the viewers in hopes they buy into something.\n\nI feel like in this sentence you're equivicating both ad techniques (ad segment vs sponsored video) and glossing over the outcome of the 'magnitude difference' as you put it. The magnitude of Veritasium's misleading of his audience across an entire video is far more potent and convincing than Tom's ad segment within a video on a different topic.", "Because scanning streets is a practical limitation. Not an impediment or hurdle to overcome. Google could easily fund a rollout if this was the central problem.\n\nPolitical skepticism. Instrument reliability. Instrument performance in all weather conditions. Code reliability. Chip reliability. How the autonomous car handles all manner of system failures (e.g. flat tire at highway speed). How to handle difficult maneuvers like fishtails. How to communicate between cars. How to detect and handle emergencies like the occupants of the car becoming unresponsive.\n\nThere are literally thousands of hard problems to solve and the gotcha is not talking about scanning streets?", "> Because scanning streets is a practical limitation. Not an impediment or hurdle to overcome. Google could easily fund a rollout if this was the central problem.\n\nThe fact that every single street that an autonomous car drives through has to be 3d scanned beforehand is not a hurdle to overcome?\n\nThis isn't a thing you have to do once. This is a thing you have to do forever. Streets change. The surroundings of streets change enough that a car might not recognize the street it is in.\n\nImagine your autonomous car stops driving a road you need to drive through because there was some construction work done last week and now the car doesn't know what to do anymore.\n\nHow is that not a problem?", "It's a trivial problem to solve. A single law mandating that all publics works changes must be published with completion dates to allow the car companies can rescan at the end of a project.\n\nCompare that problem to self-driving cars operating in the rain when all of the sensors + LIDAR work poorly due to refraction through water. The challenge posed by these problems are orders of magnitudes apart.", "Did you just say that this problem is trivial to solve, and then said the solution is a new law (in every single country of this planet, mind you) writing some privilege of private companies into law?\n\nWell, you have fun waiting for that law to materialize, I guess. How many decades that's going to take, you think?\n\nAnd yes, there are far worse problems, too. But those are usually talked about.\n\nSpeaking of which: Snow completely destroys the entire concept of 3d scanned roads being used for this purpose. It's completely and utterly impossible to use this solution when there's snow. Ever.", "It's like arguing with someone at the birth of flight that the government is going to have an entire agency devoted to it. Yes, not only will there be laws relating to self-driving cars, there will probably be an entire wing of the DOT dedicated to it. Letting self-driving cars into the wild means a ton of regulation will be introduced and passed.\n\nMy larger point is there are hundreds of issues and caveats with self-driving cars. Roasting Veritasium about not covering a specific one is dumb.", "Even if there will be laws regarding self-driving cars (and of course there will be, that was never in question!), there won't be a law mandating 3d scans of all new roads.\n\nThe roast was about them not mentioning any issues in any significant detail. This was just one example. The entire reason for this whole post is that there was barely any criticism in that video when there is, as you say, plenty to be critical about.", "> The roast was about them not mentioning any issues in any significant detail. This was just one example. The entire reason for this whole post is that there was barely any criticism in that video when there is, as you say, plenty to be critical about.\n\nI disagree with that though. There's not plenty to be critical about when the technology is in the conceptual phase. There are problems to overcome, very hard problems, but people are working on them and they might figure everything out. If they do, good on them. If they don't then the tech isn't going to make it out of this phase.\n\nIf Waymo was pushing to fully deploy a solution that's not ready for primetime, that's worth criticizing. It's worth criticizing both Telsa's performance and their extraordinary claims in this space.\n\nIt's totally fine to ruminate on the benefits of self-driving cars, because there is a lot to look forward to if it works.", "> Google already has more than half the United States mapped:\n\nGoogle Maps is hilariously inaccurate and incomplete in practice. You're really not gonna be self-driving cars using its data. It's good enough for consumer navigation at best, and even then only in rich countries.", "There's nothing wrong with what you say. The issue is how a video like that is presented.\n\nAnd that video is presented in a \"It actually totally works! Today!\" style that implies that autonomous driving is already here and already working close to perfection. And, well, that's just not true.\n\nIf he'd have said that this is still very much in development and that there is a gigantic mountain of problems still to conquer (and I agree, we'll get there!), then I would have no issues with the video.", "Yeah I can appreciate that take. Even when I was done writing my comment I realized I had a lot of “ifs” and “mights”. He should have qualified/contextualized it in the same way too.", "Fair enough! That's pretty much the essence of the criticism here: The video was sponsored, so just about all negativity (or even anything that might be perceived as negative, like discussing current challenges) is omitted.", "VPN's have exploded in popularity in the last few years, largely because of sponsorships like this that straight up misinform people of what your VPN will actually do for you. It is willingly contributing to misinformation as I sincerely doubt Tom thinks these VPN's work. Therefore if we are going to talk magnitude, let's also not undermine what Tom is doing in this discussion. Both are using the trust of their audience to sell a product, the VPN sponsorship wouldn't need Tom to read out the deal to his audience if this was not the case.\n\nBut on the flipside, despite Tom stirring the pot, both videos are within current acceptable guidelines for youtubers, so any lines being crossed are being drawn by Tom and his viewers. This is why I am not harping on how much worse Veritasium is in this scenario. Would Tom feel this is where the line needs to be drawn if he wasn't holding sponsorships too? Where would this new line make sense without his bias, since he also has sponsorships? And if the goal is to improve ethics, why does this video lean into hitpiece style drama? Even the video title is completely misleading on the extent of the problem with Veritasium, so it becomes extremely hard to take in good faith. It isn't morally consistent and is subject to the same biases he accuses Veritasium of having, ~~both done purely for financial gain.~~ Edit: Actually this isn't even true as Veritasium has stated he genuinely believes and wants self driving cars. Either they are both okay, or neither are okay.\n\nIf the conversation is about maintaining standards for sponsorships, neither were extreme enough to cross a commonly accepted line, ie, both fully disclosed what was sponsored content. If it about improving current ethics...Tom's throwing stones in a glass house, and within the same video even. Presenting this as a hitpiece on a specific content creator was therefore a mistake and undermines his point. Don't throw stones, Tom.", "Yeah waymo is way better than tesla. Tesla just confidently rolls out a unfinished product.", "He didn't say the video was an ad, he pretended it was still a regular educational video that just happened to be sponsored.", "It's a literal ad. He didn't disguise it as an educational video about VPNs that just incidentally was sponsored by a VPN company. It was literally an ad break in a video about a completely different topic.", "People are literally dismissing what Tom said entirely because being sponsored by a VPN somehow makes you biased against self driving cars?", ">I use H&S so I turn off my critical faculties and unquestioningly do a fluff piece for them.", "He didn't say \"this video is an ad\".", "Can you post some of that research that says they're not flushable? I've used them before and I have to say, I've used toilet paper that's more sturdy than flushable wipes. So I can't imagine them being less flushable than toilet paper, unless you're saying toilet paper isn't flushable either.", "I agree with the guys main point that people shouldn't be misleading, especially educational channels like Veritasium. My issue with the video is that I'm a pilot and my dad is an Airbus pilot, and the guys section on automation in planes is bad, and his reply is even worse. He frames it in a way that is very manipulative, which is exactly his issue with Veritasium isn't it?\n\nPlus, if he's framing that in a manipulative way, what else is he doing that with? That to me makes it feel like it's just an elongated attack piece rather than a guy who actually believes in what he's saying. So I'd say the first guy is right on calling it a terrible video, even if the videos conclusion is something I agree with.", "> My point is you don’t need to walk through every positive and negative of anything, such is the nature of having an opinion.\"\n\nThat's an interesting one. I think this is where he frames it as an opinion, instead of an advertisement.\n\nThe content, then, is food for thought. Should you not investigate all the pros and cons before forming an opinion?", "He doubled down.", "\"Full disclosure this video is sponsored by waymo\" at 36 seconds into the video, and proceeds to get into a waymo car.\n\nSaying a video is sponsored by a product you're looking at right then and there (to me at least) is 100% stating it is an advert.", "While you could draw the same comparison, RE was covering the topic from also a science history perspective since 787 did it first. I think it would have put a nice bow on the video if he would have had one last chapter on the further penetration of these technologies into the industry through A350 (more \"black aluminum\" and not the barrel sections process) and Bombardier C-Series (now Airbus A220, which deserves its own examination as a case study of Boeing market ineptitude).", "I can understand thinking that people need to be critical of his content and think for themselves, but in reality, that's not possible. He's catering to a wide audience, including uneducated and very young people. His channel is claiming to be a science channel, and then doing something actual scientists should not do, which is omit information to try to prove a point they want to prove, instead of letting evidence speak for itself. \n\nI think Tom Scott is the perfect example of how to be a education channel. He refuses sponsorships unless he can say exactly what _he_ believes to be true, he tells the truth the whole truth and as much of the truth as he can in each of his videos, even when it shines a negative light on places that literally allow him to come visit. And it makes his content that much better and soo much more educational. \n\nAnyway, thanks for the response! I've found tons of other channels that have just as much educational content as Veritasium, but do it in a way that doesn't sacrifice morals/ethics. So I don't really need to watch him, but I find it good to warn people of what is happening with him, because he's definitely influencing people in the wrong way.", "The problem is what I call (maybe others call like this too) the tweeter syndrome. We expect to have comprehensive and meaningful unbiased discussions in 140 characters or in the case of veritasium’s BMW example, a 5 min video. We can’t tell every single point of view or angle in every conversation or video; if we do so, we wouldn’t be having a conversation, it will be monologues explaining the history of humanity every time we want to explain how sausages are made and we need to name every single sausage that there is or there was, just in case somebody gets offended that their grandmother sausage is not mentioned in the video. Anyway, RE post is hypocritical at best, plain sanctimonious at worst.", "> It's a result of excess latent demand, not increased capacity. \n\nThere is always more demand present if the cost falls far enough. The problem here is that changing the infrastructure changes the optimal strategy of commuting, something that people not involved in traffic economics/engineering often overlook.", "> The thing everyone forgets about \"induced demand\" is after adding an extra lane to the highway, sure, the time to travel might remain constant or even go up, but the overall throughput of the roads is higher. \n\nThere are examples where with even the same number of cars on the road, commute times can increase with more capacity.\n\nThis is of course ignoring the other societal costs to people using cars more often.", "> The fundamental issue with cars isn't that they don't communicate with each other electronically, it's that they are terribly inefficient methods of transport, regarding space/capacity, infrastructure wear, emissions etc.\n\nSelf driving cars, in all likelihood will only increase this inefficiency! Imagine if went from roads with infrequently spaced pedestrian crosswalks at lights to roads where there were no crosswalks because there were no stoplights.\n\nThis is the future CCP Grey envisions and hopes for and one that I do not want.", "That sounds like bullshit. Pop a source in for me will ya", "It follows from Braess' paradox and how Nash equilibria work. Wiki has both a simple toy example and potential historical examples of it at work.", "Having an advert for a vpn is very different than creating an entire video dedicated to showing a company(whose paying you) in a positive light. Intervention vs FULL integration.", "Almost all media is propaganda. It’s not as dirty of a word as you people make it out to be.", "Lol, I don’t think right wing conspiracy nuts are watching Tom Nicholas. Have you seen his content?\n\nAnd kurtesgat like, was funded by the Gates Foundation for multiple videos. That’s not a secret, they say it in the video, just at the very end. Not to mention most of their videos are technocratic nonsense.", "Tom Nichols video is sponsored by surfshark... And he did make some cherry picking and mistakes in his own video qbout veritasium and several others.", "You can have a sponsored video which can still be educational. There's a difference between a sponsored video and a blatant advert. Veritasium is a fairly reputable channel and failed to live up to his reputation.", "what's your definition of propaganda", "Yeah but Veritasium is a big channel and it's trendy to hate on him right now", "I don't think you guys are disagreeing, just speaking past each other. You have a valid reason to use a VPN: you want to hide your torrenting from your ISP. That's pretty much the only way a VPN is useful for the average Joe (that and streaming content from other countries). The problem is, both of those things are on the gray side of legal. No corporation is going to advertise \"get our service so you can break the law\". So instead they make up BS lies about how without a VPN you are unsafe online.\n \n The problem isn't that they sell their service to you, an informed consumer who knows what he needs, what for, and how to get it. The problem is that they try to convince people with no interest in torrenting that they need a VPN too.", "Why is that a bad thing though? Being able to work further from home makes it easier for suppliers and demanders of labor (IE employees and employers) to pair up which (in theory) produces better outcomes for everyone. (Of course the way our society is structured the people who already have wealth and influence use that wealth and influence to ensure that any newly created wealth that arose due to better access goes to those same people who already have wealth and influence, but that's a different issue entirely)", "Tesla can drive on straight roads with clear lane markers while a driver is present. Waymo and others are targeting crowded and unpredictable city streets with no driver present and attempting to offer a taxi service. Very different use cases.", "I hear that, but often when a video is about a product and is paid for by the company that makes it, I think it is reasonable to assume they have an agenda in what they are doing / saying.\n\nAll of his videos are sponsored, but I don't know how often he is sponsored by the topic of his video.\n\nI know there are folks who do this often, but often will say things like \"I didn't have to run this by the company before posting this video\" but even then I don't really trust those videos.\n\nI think the person who made this video is just trying to ride some coattails", "He def gives off a smugness which isn't good for his message.", "I also thought that was weird, but to be clear, I think the implied response to the privacy concern there is \"that ship has sailed, for better or worse\" ./", "No one will read this comment at this point. Oh well:\n\n-The Veritasium video is obviously an ad. You desperately need some critical thinking skills if you think it wasn't obvious enough. It's fine to not like ads, and not want to watch ads, even if you like other things made by the person. I like Samuel L Jackson but have no interest in seeing him in a Coca Cola ad or something\n\n-The VPN ad completely discredits his point. If ads are bad, then they're bad. It doesn't matter if they're a small subsection of the video. Tom's defense really seemed like an attempt to justify, \"When I do ____ it's okay, but when you do ____ it isn't!!!\"\n\n-There's nothing wrong with informative videos that don't explore every single detail of a topic. That's an unrealistic standard to hold people to and would imply that videos that argue a point must be 20 hours long minimum. I already think most YouTube videos that argue a point are too long\n\n-Even if the details of the Veritasium video are wrong/misleading/cherrypicked, the overall message doesn't change: there are driverless vehicles that currently exist (in a limited way), and human drivers are terrible. We should aim for fewer human drivers. Autonomous drivers are going to get better and better, and human drivers won't. Autonomous vehicles are coming and we should welcome them even if they're imperfect, as long as they're better than people. Veritasium could have made the same video without the sponsorship and while I'm guessing it would have been more critical, I doubt it would have been all that different\n\n-There's nothing wrong with an educational video designed to inspire people, rather than present things 100% critically. I study neuroscience. I could, for example, talk about Alzheimer's research and pan it as a hopeless failure that has shown essentially no success. Or I could talk about some promising new things to get people excited. Neither is objectively right or wrong. It depends on the goal of my talk\n\n-Kind of secondary to my main points, but oh well. The benefits of driverless vehicles solving traffic congestion might be overstated. I think that's a fair point. But how often is traffic congestion caused by human idiocy, such as preventable accidents? Sure, widespread expansion and adoption of public transport might be better, but you're delusion if you think that's realistic. My sort of progressive city has been trying to expand their LRT and it has faced insane resistance because of how much it'll cost, and the truth is the expansion is a drop in the bucket compared to what the city would need for all the people who want some sort of post-car public transport utopia. Unfortunately, my city's thinking is widespread throughout North America. Arguing that we could solve traffic by getting people to agree to majorly invest in transit is like arguing we could solve crime by getting people to agree to stop doing crime. I still think we should fight to improve transit as much as possible, but we will never, ever turn LA into a city where it's practical to not own a car", "But then anywhere could be a crosswalk. Maybe there's a push button on a little pole or a phone app or a hand signal or something to indicate you'd like to cross. That would send a signal to the cars and they would half to stop. Or you could put crosswalks without stop lights like we sometimes do now since the cars could see the people. I don't see why this is an unsolvable problem.", "I'm a bit late to the party, but I would like to add to your point: If people don't need to buy a car to go out during the weekend or to get the groceries, I think quite a few people would be more open to the idea of not owning a car and using public transport for commuting.", "This was the crux of my problem with this video. Tom has spent so much of the video specifically arguing for the alleged unsafeness of self driving vehicles. His entire point about Veritasium's alleged misdeed is the argument that Veritasium is misrepresenting the safeness of self driving vehicles, i.e. self driving vehicles are dangerous. Look at the runtime of the video, and look at how long Tom spends on \"debunking\" the safeness of self driving vehicles. Tom is trying to make this sound like it's about broader subjects like the concepts of sponsored content or city planning, but very little video is actually focused on that. This video is primary interested in presenting self driving vehicles as unsafe. Tom multiple times claims that \"people must be made aware of possible downsides of self driving vehicles\", without actually providing any empirical evidence of this supposed unsafeness: A tactic that reminds me of anti-vaxxer rhetoric.\n\nThis is all because Tom's central argument is false. Self driving vehicles are indeed safer than human drivers. There has been tons of studies proving this and very little evidence against it. Tom wanted to \"prove\" that this video, in specific, is propaganda. That it is misinformation, and to prove that he had to argue that self driving vehicles are less safe than what the video claims. This became the center of his argument because his broader assertions about this being a \"propaganda\" piece relies on the evidence presented in Veritasium's vid to be untrue or highly inaccurate.\n\nOtherwise, Tom could've made a video about youtube sponsored content in general, and use Veritasium's vid merely as an example among other examples. Or just make a video about how public transport is superior to personal vehicles, self driving or not. But many people have done those videos already and it wouldn't have been anything new.\n\nHe needed his vid to be a hit piece on Veritasium. So he needed to argue that self driving cars are very unsafe. Because that is just not true, he had to resort to unscientific arguments such as appeal to the people (Argumentum ad populum) or Argument from anecdote to assert a sense of unsafeness to self driving vehicles without actually scientifically arguing against it. And that's what makes his video bad. Maybe Veritasium's video is bad, maybe sponsored content are bad in general. Maybe self driving vehicles are an answer to the wrong problem. All of that are true in my opinion, but I still think this video is even worse because it peddles outright misinformation.\n\nSelf driving vehicles are safer than human drivers. You can still dislike them. You don't have to like them, but you also shouldn't lie (and don't have to lie) about their safety to assert this.", "The point is not AVs = bad. But full integration of sponsored content on educational channels is bad. As those often lack nuance and can easily turn into one long ad or lobbying video. \n\n\nAlso Phantom traffic would only be solved if all AVs communicate with each other or have the same access to very precise real time traffic data. Which is very unlikely to happen with all the competiting companies in this field", "I'd have a much different reaction to finding out someone educating me was wrong than finding out someone educating me was wrong and it was wrong in favor of someone they're financially benefitting from...", ">The VPN ad completely discredits his point\n\nLooks like you missed the entire point of the video. What a shame", "The cars wouldn't need to talk to each other to make a difference. Simply maintaining a reasonable distance between the car ahead and driving \"less jerky\" (heavy on the gas, heavy on the brakes) would be enough. Spend enough time driving on the highway and you quickly realize how bad drivers are at those two things, including myself. Yes, if they could communicate then things would be even better.", "I really didn't. Tom is shilling for a BS product and spouting claims that are easily debunked. Somehow it's okay when he does it, but not when someone does it in a longer form. It's blatant hypocrisy.", "The cost of safely scaling up hydrogen distribution networks across the country is a deal breaker. It’s not even worth contemplating.", ">It's a trivial problem to solve.\n\nAssuming streets don't change...", "\"Oh no, someone is holding a big channel accountable for their actions. They are clearly the victim!\"", "I got a really bad first impression of him when I saw an early video of his where he was walking around betting people money that they couldn’t flip their phone around in the air in a certain way, when it was almost guaranteed because of physics that they couldn’t do it. All with this smug grin on his face, like he was doing them a favour by taking their money and teaching them about science. \n\nLike. Dude. You grew up in the richest part of your city, born into a wealthy family, already with a successful YouTube channel. You don’t need to go and take random people’s money with an unwinnable bet. Big douchebag energy.", "Lol why are you so upset? You're getting paid to post political shills online", "It gets better man.", "Trying to find the truth is a noble cause but it can easily spiral into a rabbit-hole of non-stop arguing." ]	418	videos	Veritasium: A Story of YouTube Propaganda
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https://youtu.be/fplsPvaTHlw	/r/videos/comments/qcakmf/floating_boulders_demonstrate_the_incredible/	[ "the taco bell inside me after 14 beers", "It needs more Anakin vs Obi-wan", "Wow. That's incredible!", "At first I was worried about that guy getting so close, but then I noticed he's wearing a safety vest...", "Here's a live stream of the volcano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4wjiJ6qc-E", "He was also wearing a mask. What a little bitch", "I always wondered how quickly you would die if you fell in lava.\n\nWould it be too quick to feel it? If not, what would it feel like?", "Boulder in lava; like iceberg in water.", "[Here you go!](https://youtu.be/9UlDFHOgbYI)", "When you see lava your mind sort of goes \"ah, liquid, I know what that's like\" and thinks of flowing water, or perhaps syrup. \n\nNope, that shit is rock. Sloppy rocks right now for sure, but still the same stuff as rock.", "Normally when you see video of a devastating event like this it's from some action movie and is always accompanied by some high intensity music to further evoke a sense of danger. But this real life carnage is almost silent...perhaps making it even more terrifying.", "Woah", "Damn, is this still going on? I thought it stopped several weeks ago when the news stopped caring.", "You’re the man!", "Gotta make sure the lava can see you", "I would never get close to something like this. Some lava could spray out and disfigure you for life. Also it could end you swiftly. These guys are really competing for Darwin awards.", "Wrong. You’d sink in and explode. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/kq7DDk8eLs8", "It's like the ending of the Return of the King", "> Boulder in lava; like iceberg in water.\n\nThe ice is so cold, but the lava is hotter.\n\nIcebergs and boulders are moving so slowly\n\nThe water and lava will melt them wholly.", "You wouldn’t sink in actually, it’s too thick.", "I just showed you a video of it happening.", "So cool thanks for sharing", "I've seen chilled versions of these inside the lava tubes at Lava Beds National Monument, California. I probably saw a couple at Amboy Crater, California. Really cool to see one in action.", "Dropping at a high rate of speed is far different than stepping onto it. Lava is generally pretty thick and isn't like water.", "“Hotta”", "I've been watching this for the last few weeks, and wonder if it would be possible to run across the lava if you were wearing proper protective equipment. Like, is it too viscous and you'd sink? If you ran fast enough could you stay on the surface?", "Look, it's not just a boulder, it's a rock!", "The video and original question is about dropping someone in. \n\nAre you in the right thread? Watch the video it’s clear as day what happens Jesus.", "Like I always say, when it comes to lava FLOWING is better than FLYING.", "\"Look at you, so manly with your open nose and throat!\"", "The video you posted is regarding dropping organic waste, not a person. Regardless there is still a big difference. You don't just sink if you step out onto ice, you would if you dropped onto it at a higher rate of speed.\n\nLava is a lot more dense then you'd think. But what would I know, studying geology and all.", "Dude it’s a pig carcass. Are you high? What is your deal with being so ignorant and obtuse? The evidence lays right in front of your eyes and you argue against reality in spite of it.\n\nAnd by the way, it’s not “more dense than I think”, stop acting like you’re a mind reader doofus. it’s 2.56 g/cm³, give or take depending on its constituency.. 2.56x as dense is water. Last I checked metal is closer to 11.29g/cm for like, lead, so lava isn’t as dense as YOU think it is, son. Yeah, I’m not sure 2.56x water density is as rock solid as you think there homie. Lol.\n\nMakes me question your education hard.", "Everything melts\n\nEdit: okay yes some things undergo sublimation like co2 and skip the liquid phase", "Okay here is what will happen. But first of human body/organic waste are basically the same in that they have a high water content.\n\nSo if you fall from a great height into very hot liquid lava then the earlier video is accurate, your speed will ensure you go into the hot liquid rock and this will begin to flash boil the liquid out of you resulting in what looks like an eruption (think organic material in a deep frier)\n\nNow if you don’t fall at speed or just walk out there then you’ll float on the top barely sinking in as the lava is 3x or more (depending on temperature and composition) denser than water. This will royally suck as now you won’t die till either your lungs sear off from the hot air or you cook through enough for you to die.", "So frodo and Sam could have just rode that Boulder right out of Mordor?!", "It is pretty thick, but you will sink into it to some degree by the fact that the surface area of your feet is rather small. and lava is only ~3x as dense as water.\n\nYou would slowly sink in.\n\nIf you jumped in from a height, you would be pushed considerably lower form the onset, along with breaking your bones.", "You can tell because of how it's rocking.", "It is possible to make liquid CO2 but it requires a weird combination of pressures and temperatures.", "It's very viscous, and also much denser than a body, so as long as you can find a way to stop your clothes combusting from the heat you should be able to do it - though it's a really dumb stunt to attempt and could end up with you getting a Darwin award.\n\nWired has a couple of articles about it, and there's a video of somebody taking a few steps on lava in Mt Etna, though it looks like it's got a solid crust on it compared to this flow.", "You won’t sink. Lava is so dense that boulders literally float on them. \n\nThere’s a video of that somewhere /s", "So it's just been popping off like this for four days?", "is it just really really hot mud", "In very glad that the boulder from the ending of Lord of the Rings is still finding work these days.", "So cool", "Cool", "Since Sept 19, I believe.", "Oh okay, that makes sense. I only pulled \"four days\" out of my ass because the stream started on the 16th.", "Earthberg", "Memo to self: If I ever see a giant boulder being pushed like a battering ram at a dam of semi-solid lava that is the only thing separating me from several thousand cubic metres of fast-moving liquid lava .... go watch from a safe distance. \n\nMars seems about right.", "Does anyone else find it impossible to comprehend how just a few miles under Earth's crust has been molten rock for billions of years?? How has it not solidified??", "Unrelated to lava but “rate of speed” is a redundant term. Speed is already describing a rate.", "Does rocks float on lava?", "hot potato", "It’s so cool I can casually sit here and click on something like this love from across the world and it’s not even close to the coolest thing I saw today. The internet is great.", "Seriously waiting for it to go HAM and sluff off the side of the island already. It's gonna be a bad one.\n\nedit- Downvote all you wish, but the odds are favorable that the island is going to shake a large piece off like a dog shedding water. The volcano is a symptom of a larger issue in the making.", "Bigger boulders on the guy walking right up to the lava flow.", "The lava has already gone off the side of the island and formed a delta. [https://youtu.be/ucDZVGOk0us](https://youtu.be/ucDZVGOk0us) I haven't seen where the lava is going now though.", "Does anyone else not have the option to mute or adjust volume on mobile, or am I just an idiot?", "was it really \"floating\" though or was it just being pushed like an icecube on a table would if water rolled by? the bottom of it is obviously melting", "\"A ra-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaack!\"", "I was about to say the same thing, impressive but it be like that.\nOn the other hand, ice is lighter than water, can't say the same for other solid/liquid though", "I'm sure the zoom is making him look a lot closer then reality", "It's free real estate", "Mother nature: “fuck you guys lol”", "Nevertheless it is still proper English, for which redundancy and illogical wording are par for the course", "That's not true, it won't collapse", "How do you think the unthinkable?\n\n>!With an ithberg.!<", "It looks like it may begin to form three additional deltas shortly....", "If you listen closely you can hear a whistling, hissing, popping sound in the background, that is the moisture in the air turning to steam and the bubbles in the lava popping... That is scary....", "What would you call melted Zoid or Dinkle?", "I would argue that this is constructive.", "Jesus Christ Marie", "Floating boulders demonstrate material density, not necessarily destructiveness", "Don't wanna give the volcano covid.", "That one tree amid all the lava flow: \"Don't worry about me guy, I got this. This is pussy lava\"", "Rocks do float on lava. Call Gavin!", "The prevailing theory is decay heat from radioactive elements in Earth's mantle and core.", "The pioneers used to drive these babies for miles.", "It’s like death mountain in zelda", "That's what I was thinking, I mean it's amazing, but I'm not surprised in the least.", "Was that the sound???? Sweet Jesus that's intense and interesting", "Yup. Just Google co2 phase diagram. It will show you the pressure and temp conditions under which CO2 will be a liquid.", "Why not zoidberg?", "Ligma balls", "Now realize the crust we live on and call continents is just a few kilometers thick and is floating on super hot mantle deep underground that occasionally boils its way to the surface as magma. Yep, we are living on giant floating rock islands on a sea of molten rock.", "Amazing. Although I would have moved away from the thing in the first scene. Just imagine that thing topples over and splashes lava everywhere...", "Crocodile head", "Don't you mean\n\nLithberg?", "Me Tarzan, you Jane", "Supercritical CO2 has some interesting uses as a solvent. We can use it to remove caffeine from coffee beans.", "Hot property", "Rip Frodo and Sam", "Damn, where's Pierce Brosnan when you need him?", "Yeah this says more about the specific gravity of lava bring similar to a solid rock than anything else. Lava’s about as dense as rock and really hot..", "Where’s Kyle?", "A brave man close to lawa.", "what happens if you stick your foot in lava\n\n&#x200B;\n\n-my brain.", "Russia or Israel could annex it quickly and send some settlers there before someone else does.", "Volcanic experts observe the crust and find that even when you can walk on a solidified lava field, there may be parts that are still extremely hot and could crumble if you stepped on it. If it’s solidified for quite a long time it should be safe though.", "i can feel the heat from my screen", "Yeah, look up some lava videos, it's a spooky sound!", "That wasn't the sound of drones flying overhead?", "Like when you’re baking a casserole and the sauce bubbles up making the topping all soggy.", "> Oh okay, that makes sense. I only pulled \"four days\" out of my ass because the stream started on the 16th.\n\neh, you didn't pull it \"out of [your] ass\" then; you made an informed guess. Give yourself some credit lol", "Spiceberg.", "Come on La Palma...", "> phase diagram\n\nDigressing here, but weird phase diagrams are super interesting. If you check the one for lead and tin it seems fairly typical, but mixing them together (solder) lowers their melting temperature below either.", "Yeah, I was originally thinking it's like an icecube in water as well but you are exactly correct. It's more what /u/Nikclel said \"was it really \"floating\" though or was it just being pushed like an icecube on a table would if water rolled by? the bottom of it is obviously melting\" Solid rock should sink in melted rock of the same type.", "People underestimate the power of water, too, though. It's why people have to be continually reminded not to drive across a flooded road, even if it's not deep enough to stall the engine. Flowing water doesn't have to be deep to move your car, or to knock you on your butt if you're walking in water. Cars get washed away in flash floods a lot easier than people expect.", ">If it’s solidified for quite a long time it should be safe though.\n\nI get a scientist to approve all my walking surfaces. Never know when that sneaky mantle is going to try to get me.", "Destructive forces? This is literally what created the island.", "Absolutely. Almost the entire of our planet’s surface is of volcanic origin so you can never be too safe!", "Better than a fatburg", "China might build a base on it.", "Be lava my friend", "Drones don't sound like that at all. . .", "The high-ish pitch buzzing sound? That is absolutely what a drone sounds like.", "I guess tectonically I’m sitting on a floating rock right now", "I was promised destruction", "I'm definitely not volunteering to try it, but would probably watch if someone else did...", "\"lava's viscosity its resistance to flow is between 100,000 and 1.1 million times higher than that of water. That means a pit of lava is about as fluid as a jar of peanut butter or a vat of Crisco.\" Perhaps this helps explain it to you better.", "So what? Ketchup is 70,000x water and you’d still go splash.", "Yea just trying to help you understand. Ketchup is 70% water. Density + viscosity. \n\n\nIdk maybe your brain just can't get there.", "Yeah and density is only 2.5x water. Not that much. Ketchup is probably 1.5x.", "And there’s nowhere to be got to. I posted video evidence doing no less than proving my claims. \n\nWhere’s your video evidence?", "Your \"evidence\" is it getting stuck in the lava and reacting on the surface, the same thing a human would do, buoy until the waters gone. Wish you luck in life, as you seem dense as lava.", "technically, rocks float on rocks", "Clearly it punctured the dry surface which would’ve been harder anyway. “Getting stuck in the lava” is what the fuck we’re taking about you autistic man baby.", "Ultra dense. And angry for nothing too.", "do they boulders smell nice?", "wow that's active active", "Looks so primordial, amazing.", "I can't tell WTH they're saying with that jerk in the background constantly yelling stuff about having the high ground.", "I was referring to sounds other than the drone, you do have the ability to filter out various background sounds and understand the effect that wind will have on drowning out those background sounds? Turn the sound up as loud as you can and try to filter out the wind sound blowing over an unmasked microphone on that cheap camera as well as that damn drone sound and under that you will hear the sounds I described....", "So wait, hang on, you're agreeing with me that there is a drone sound in the video, and when I asked if the sound you were talking about wasn't a drone, you proceeded to make it seem like there are no drones in the video at all, rather than explain that yes, there is the sound of a drone in the video, but that your specific sound was different, and the way in which it was different?\n\nThis is pretty obnoxious behaviour, to be perfectly honest." ]	140	videos	Floating boulders demonstrate the incredible destructive forces of the ongoing volcano eruption on the island of La Palma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9lq-uBdxg8	/r/videos/comments/qcanxn/divide_rule_how_you_are_being_made_disposable/	[ "Abstract pontification at its finest.", "Kinda had the same thought watching this", "Very deepak chopra" ]	3	videos	DIVIDE & RULE - How you are being made disposable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWipItq_9bk	/r/videos/comments/qcbdik/squid_game_pitch_meeting/	[ "many spoilers done excellently", "Marked, thanks! Didnt know that function existed.", "When the team with all the main characters wins :O" ]	3	videos	Squid Game Pitch Meeting
https://youtu.be/uur01CK7u8Q	/r/videos/comments/qcby8n/this_clip_is_pretty_hilarious_its_what_got_me/	[ "I threw down for that box set Numero Group put out a few years ago. The thumbdrive it came with had like 6+ additional hours of Best Show bestness! Plus paper dolls, temp tattoos, stickers, giant hardcover book. One of the most well made, lovingly crafted & compiled boxsets of all time. Such a great radio show.", "yea my friend had that!! he's a massive Best Show fan. I had only heard of Tom from the occasional one-off he'd do with WTF, but I remember seeing that box set at my friend's place and feeling massive FOMO. \nThis YouTube channel is so great because he really captures the vibe with the images/video clips he plays alongside the audio.\n\nnow get off my phone!!!", "Lol!" ]	3	videos	This clip is pretty hilarious. It’s what got me into The Best Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guDIwspRGJ8&t=7s	/r/videos/comments/qcc7qt/artificial_muscles_robotic_arm/	[ "magnificent. beautiful design to", "Wow, amazing wrist torsion and thumb mobility. Pretty impressive.", "Good, it's working. Now go stand with Leia and watch wistfully through the medical frigate window as Lando heads off to rescue Han.", "no thumbs up or o-tay? disappoint.", "Looks great", "amazing, but that dumbbell looks like it was recovered from the wreck of the Lusitania", "those sounds tho. bmwaaaaaah bwam seuh, bwam sueh. magnificent technology.", "I love how you see a hand, grab a artificial hand, that is picking up a weight. That shit is kind of trippy in a way", "Wont be too long before sci-fi style combat-capable, strong as heck prosthetics are available! awesome :p", "Why do people get so excited about combat-capable robotics? That's bad stuff. That's what we don't want.", "Because thats what you see in sci-fi TV and movies, Plus hopefully anybody could get prosthetics like that, not just the military or shady corporations.", "Because not everyone finds the idea of being able to enhance your physical capabilities with prosthetics dystopian.", "It's for the rich, let's be real.", "its all fun and games until your 80% prosthetic body gets hacked and you are turned into a weapon against your will.", "If these enhancements cost people money, they will be for the rich and the military, and cops. Tell me that a world where those in power have superhuman capabilities and those without power do not is not dystopian.", "No need for a draft anymore when cybernetics rule the fashion landscape.", "The jacking off robot is coming soon", "That skin needs serious work, but this is an amazing prototype.", "> If these enhancements cost people money, they will be for the rich and the military, and cops.\n\nWhat? You do understand that everything costs money right? Yet somehow it's not only the rich, military, and police who are capable of buying things?\n\nThis argument literally only makes sense if I decide to selectively forget that the entire global economy functions on the principal that things cost money, and that literally everything I have, do, or will own(ed) cost money...\n\n\nEdit: Even if I'm chartable beyond all reason and completely steel man the fuck out of your argument and instead of it being \"if these enhancements cost people money\" to \"if these enhancements are so prohibitively expensive only the ultra wealth can afford them\" It's still a pretty shit argument because \n\nA. There is absolutely no telling what kind of healthcare coverage the public will have in this \"nebulous future\" for all we know universal healthcare will be the standard (and it's not that unrealistic to think it might be either) \n\nB. Why would we ever assume they'll ever be that prohibitively expensive to begin with? The manufacturers of these devices want them to be profitable which means they're automatically incentivized to manufacture these devices as cheaply as possible because the cheaper they can sell them for (while still making a profit) the greater their potential market will be and the more durable they'll be against competition. If you tried to tell an investor that you had a product who's only market was extremely wealthy amputees, they'd laugh you out of the room. \n\nC. Technology gets cheaper to manufacture over time, this is just constant that has always remained true.\n\nEdit 2: Thank god most of the dipshits replying weren't around during the development of the automobile or we'd still be riding horses everywhere and stepping in shit. Because you know of course we shouldn't have cars \"OnLy ThE rIcH aNd MiLlItArY cOuLd AfFoRd ThOsE!\"", "Imagine getting an old fashion from that bad boy.", "As years go by the thought of losing one of my limbs becomes less soul crushing.", "Ahhhw haven't had an old fashioned in a long time", "This is fucking incredible.", "You seem to be unaware that some people don’t have money. Not sure how that fact got past you.", "You seem to be unaware of what my actual argument is or the argument I was arguing against. So let me restate it for you... \n\n\"If these enhancements cost people money, they will be for the rich and the military, and cops.\"\n\nAre the rich, the military, and the police the only ones with money?\n\nNo?\n\nThen L2R\n\nAt no point did I say they would be available to absolutely everyone if they cost money and furthermore (again you should really work on reading a comment before acting like a snarky douche) literally my first of 3 points was that in a world with universal healthcare you wouldn't need money to get one...", "When will the robots take over and kill us again?", "Where did they find that dumbbell? Thing looks like it was forged in ancient times", "Thank you for offering room in your mind for a generous perspective of my argument and not assuming that I'm a complete blithering idiot. \n\n\nWhether this kind of stuff leads to dystopia is dependent upon a couple things. \n\n\nAs you mention, it would be pretty great if we had really nice public healthcare which allowed disabled people to get these kinds of enhancements. But imagine if, say, an enhanced set of leg, arm and core muscles, or a neural lace, or super camera eyes, or whatever, for people who were not disabled, cost about as much as a brand new Tesla. Trivial for the very rich (& military), an investment for middle-class people, unavailable to most people. \n\n\nA trend that I didn't mention, which could also be not so great would be if this kind of tech took the direction of apple phones: no right to repair, long-term payment plans, subscription to services and capabilities. Facebook owns your eyes, Apple own your arms and legs, Neuralink owns your meta-brain. That would probably be bad. \n\n\nAnd to the original comment about combat-capable bots: Just a bad idea. A new weapon of mass destruction, potentially. Only a \"cool\" sci fi thing if it stays in books and movies and shows and games. Not in real life please.", "You're gonna rip your dick off", "Sonny has entered the chat.", "The problem is, and will be for a long time, the power supply. Until we can make some kind of power supply that would fit inside something like that that could power it for days on end, it's going to limit these kinds of things a lot.", "good, that thing has been making me do stupid shit since I was 13. problem solved. Prop it up next to the Washington monument so the taxpayers can enjoy it.", "You have some points, but still think it might be a bit overly optimistic. \n\nA)Granted, but there's also a truism that the BEST and most comprehensive care regardless of society and culture goes to the rich and powerful first. Whether it's in the US or Europe or elsewhere the haves can usually find a way to cut to the front of the line. As a bit of an odd but telling example, look at Magic Johnson, He contracted HIV at a time when it nearly always progressed to AIDS and eventual death in a few short years. He's still alive today and his disease has never progressed. Few other men that contracted it in the early 90s can say the same. Why? He was an NBA star and had a ton of money and contacts. He got better treatment, sooner than it was available for others. \n \nB) I wish this were entirely true. In many cases demand drives UP price as sellers create artificial shortages to keep prices high and maximize profits. See: Every new console in the last 20 years or so. What you tell an investor is \"We sell to every amputee, and if they can't afford it we help them take out a loan. Or their insurance can cover it and gouge them. Either way we get paid.\" \n \nC) Absolutely true. No argument. However, the best tech almost always starts off as military. By the time something like the arm in the video is both commercially ready AND affordable, there will be things out there light years beyond it.", "I call him Fisto Roboto.", "That is super cool. Love the skin and dexterity. I wonder how it would be controlled without a hand to control it?", "We have direct neural interfaces that can learn the pulses from the nerves that would have controlled the biological arm so there’s that", "I'm not sure if we are getting closer to Idiocracy, I Robot, the Matrix or Terminator every day... but its cool progress none the less!\n\nKeep on going till we have to final ask \"Should we have\"...", "Can it crush a skull?", "To replace your sister?", "pretty sure this is how Ultron/Vision was made", ">Not in real life please.\n\nwe already have robots that are combat capable.\n\nwe call them drones, we don't mind them so much cause they don't fly over us... but I can tell you the people that live where the drones are flying have very strong feelings about them. very strong negative feelings.", "Drones are bad enough. But at least at the moment, they require a human hand to make the decision to kill. When killing machines are fully automated, choosing who to kill by algorithm, we will begin to see even more problems.", "It looks like the water is handled through off the shelf stainless water supply risers used for sink and toilet installation. Interesting.", "one word.... WESTWORLD", "Something is really off with this video that makes me think it's CGI.", "I haven't seen much success yet in keeping those connections active, though. The BCI connection to the nerves tends to change and break down over time so the lab tests I've see touted all happened within relatively short periods.", "no. but it can crush your spirit.", "NOOOOOOOO!! you dont know what your doing Destroy it. Blowup Skynet before its to late...", "1 step closer to MonroeBot.", "That is so cool I am not entirely convinced it isnt just a person with really skinny forearms wearing a glove (yes I looked at the channel and his other videos, I believe it, its just very impressive and realistic looking).", "> You have some points, but still think it might be a bit overly optimistic.\n\nI'm not being optimistic about anything. I said universal healthcare is a possibility not a certainty, that's not optimism that's just objective reality. As for my other two statements again, they are statements of objective reality not some predication of the future. As for your other three \"points\" \n\nA) Yeah no I'm not going to just grant you that anything you claim is just some fundamental rule of the universe. There are plenty of examples where money and power are not the primary factors in determining quality of care any one of which instantly dispels the notion that the rich and powerful will always get better treatment is some sort of epistemic truth. Just off the top of my head who recieves an organ transplant is not determined by money or power. Also I'm sorry but you could not have possibly picked a worse example than Magic Johnson as the treatment that saved his life is now available to virtually everyone who has HIV. \n\nB) this one you just entirely misunderstood, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with demands effects on prices and everything to do with potential market size. If I sell a prosthetic that costs 1 trillion dollars there is literally 0 market for that as not even the richest man on earth could afford that, If I sell one for 1 billion dollars there's maybe 2 people in the whole world who could both afford it and actually have use for it, at a million you start to see the market open up a little and at a thousand suddenly it's within reach (no pun intended) of the vast majority of people. \n\nC) There is literally no basis at all to the claim that \"the best tech almost always starts off as military\". As for your second statement my only response is, so what? I'm supposed to think it's a bad thing that someone who lost their limb will be able to have a fully functioning robot arm because some rich dick head might have a shinier one? In what way is this a worse reality that both of them just having to go around with a chunk of rubber strapped to their stub for the rest of their lives?", "> But imagine if, say, \n\nI'm going to stop you right there. \nMy ability to imagine a dystopian future is not in any way shape or form evidence that it will exist. That is literally the entire problem with your argument to begin with.\n\nI could imagine a future that looks like A Brave New World, 1984, or even Fahrenheit 451, that doesn't mean any of these visions of the future will actually come to fruition. So unless there's actual evidence to support literally anything you're asserting about a future with bionics then you're just writing fiction.\n\nOh and one more thing\n\n>And to the original comment about combat-capable bots:\n\nNice try at completely reframing the original comment to be about combat-capable bots when it was actually about combat capable prosthetics. We're talking about people with prosthetics as functional as real limbs (our real limbs are already combat capable, I shouldn't even have to point this out) or better, not terminator robots you doomer fuck.\n\nAlso one last thing\n>Thank you for offering room in your mind for a generous perspective of my argument and not assuming that I'm a complete blithering idiot.\n\nYeah that's not what I did at all, you are a blithering idiot, or at very least you were writing like one. What I did was completely re-write your argument into something that actually represented a coherent thought, just not one someone intelligent would actually have, since you want to be patronizing.", "Is that a compressor in the background? \nIs it using hydraulics.. like an excavator? I have no idea about these things, but it is very interesting.\nJust gotta make it more compact, and we are good to go :D", "Yeah I'm almost positive it is. It's good CGI but notice how it's always close up tight shots not showing the rest of the arm/cables etc. Either cgi or green glove. We need the captain", "Cool smart arm, though I cannot imagine strength is the top top need for people missing and arm.\n\nI wonder how much heat this will generate, I heard a lot of smart arms are hella uncomfortable due to heat (and additional weight).\n\nAlso I heard in a podcast the software to program the different hand gestures is usually proprietary and it is very time consuming for people with these arms to add/modify hand gestures..", "Though, it'll definitely happen. Rich and powerful aren't just going to let that possibility pass by.", "Yeah, he's using hydraulic \"muscles\"", "Hahaha amazing can they make me a new weiner? lol just joking (can they?)", "\"A man's? No. A boy's?\"", "Well then it's awfully convenient the original comment wasn't actually about bots like you claimed but prosthetics, and those require a \"human hand\" (figuratively of course) to make the decision to kill as well!", "Dude's got an arm from 2050 lifting a dumbbell from 1850.", "Watch this muhfucka still gonna buy it.", "Yeah, amazing as the robotic arm was, all I could focus on was the dumb bell from 1720.", "This guy knows. This is true for internal electrodes (in part) because the body's inflamatory response causes the electrodes to become encapsulated in scar tissue over time. The scar tissue electrically isolates the electrode and diminishes its capacity to detect and differentiate between the various neural impulses being sent to the muscles. \n\nFor those unaware, internal (e.g. \"intramuscular\") electrodes would be necessary for a hand with as much dexterity as the one shown in OP's video. \n\nComparatively, external electrodes, which would most likely be secured to the skin surface at the forearm, are simply not sensitive enough to detect (and differentiate between) the plethora of neural signals that are being sent to various forearm muscles durring complex movements. In basic terms, there's just too many muscles too close together, so the margin for error is extreme.", "1 step closer to gundam", "lol", "does it bite?", "Looks like it needs a supporting skeletal structure and supporting \"muscles\" before it can bear any weight on it's own. Really cool design nonetheless", "Did you just randomly throw a dart at your screen and decide to reply to a comment without context? The person he's replying to explicitly states \"Wont be too long before sci-fi style combat-capable, strong as heck prosthetics are available!\"\n\n[Shuttup donnie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TiM_taMJY)", "No one can replace Svetlana.", "So you're just pretending you don't understand how context works?\n\nVery cool, makes you look super smart. \n\n>Who you've gendered as male, I see.\n\njfc do you want a soap box?\n\nEither you're pretending to be too stupid to realize that the only thing they could have possibly been referring to by \"combat ready robotics\" was robotic prosthetics (as that was the only thing brought up by the person they were responding to) or you're actually too stupid to realize that and either way I'm done entertaining this asinine conversation.", "Do you want Other Barry? Because that's how we get Other Barry.", "Nasty-ass vacuum fuckas", "Yeah, fair enough. But it would ALSO be pretty dystopian if the rich and powerful were the only ones capable of having enhanced bodies. \n\n\nMy main gripe (prosthetics? robots? who cares) is the connection between \"sci-fi style combat-capable\" and \"awesome.\" I don't think that stuff is awesome. At least not in the \"cool\" sense of the word \"awesome\".", "Once you've resorted to ad hominem, you've lost your credibility. Learn how to communicate with strangers in a more civil manner. IF you want an actual response.", "Bro you don't even know what a fucking ad hom is. Just stop. and INB4 no it's not any time someone insults you. \n\nan Ad Hom is when someone is tries to discredit your argument based on your behavior or character traits. For instance if you were a smoker that said \"people shouldn't smoke it's bad for you\" and I responded by saying \"Why should we listen to you, you smoke.\" that would be an ad hom because whether or not you smoke has nothing to do with whether or not it's bad for you. \n\nEvery single one of your arguments I discredited I did so based on the merit (or more accurately lack there of) of the argument alone. \n\nFurthermore if you don't want people to insult you and instead act civilly with you, don't patronize them within the first sentence of your response. Take your own advice and \"Learn how to communicate with strangers in a more civil manner. IF you want an actual response.\"", "Where did I patronize you? I didn't realize that I did. Point it out for me, and I will apologize.\n\nThis part?\"Thank you for offering room in your mind for a generous perspective of my argument and not assuming that I'm a complete blithering idiot.\"\n\n[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem)Definition of ad hominem1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.an ad hominem argument2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival\n\nA good example of an ad hominem:\n\n\" you are a blithering idiot, or at very least you were writing like one.\" \n\n\nRegardless of whether we agree that you calling me or my writing style a blithering idiot is technically \"ad hominem\" doesn't matter. It's just as uncivil and counterproductive to a debate as being patronizing. It sounds like you don't like to be patronized. Neither of us do. Let's try not to resort to such tactics in conversation, and if it comes off that way, try to rectify it. I'd like to.", "ROFL I love how you think pretending you don't understand how context works makes you look smart here.\n\n>Why is your explanation valid for the case of why people are excited about combat capable robotics?\n\nBecause by \"combat robotics\" he meant robotic prosthetics, otherwise his comment makes zero fucking sense as the person he's replying to is only talking about prosthetics. Of course you already know this, you just clearly are too stupid too realize how dumb it makes you look to pretend you don't.\n\nAlso I love how in your head the fact that you got upset about something and I thought you were acting like a drama queen means you struck a nerve xDDD\n\nWhat color is the sky in your world?", "Nope I'm saying you're an idiot and that trying to selectively pretend like you don't understand how the flow of a conversation works isn't doing you any favors.\n\nDo you or do you not understand how context works?", "I like how you pretend to not know what part was patronizing and then immediately quote it. Yeah you definitely didn't realize that was patronizing /s\n\nOkay I don't really want to debate someone who needs to go to Webster's dictionary to try and explain philosophical fallacies like Ad Hominem. Not only do you have a completely wrong interpretation of that definition, the thing you quoted doesn't even meet your own definition, I honestly can't believe you'd go through all that trouble and then quote something where I am explicitly attacking your writing, and not your character.\n\n>It's just as uncivil and counterproductive to a debate as being patronizing.\n\nYup so I'll your own advice to you again since despite writing it, it seems as though you've never read it. \"\"Learn how to communicate with strangers in a more civil manner. IF you want an actual response.\"\n\nI mean it's insane that you don't see how me insulting you is literally a direct result of your patronizing attitude. The very term \"blithering idiot\" was quote FROM YOU. So do you really think you would have gotten told your writing sounds like a \"blithering idiot\" if you had not first made a patronizing statement me not treating you like one?", "So you're saying you do or you don't understand how context work?\n\nIt's a simple question.\n\nAnother simple question. Why do you think I'm entertaining the conversation you were trying to have in the same comment you accuse of of refusing to address your question?\n\nhmmmm 🤔 it's almost like at this point I'm not actually entertaining the conversation on ethics at all at this point.\n\nwait wait wait, one last \"simple question\" are you under the impression that when someone tells you they're done entertaining a conversation that they're never going to speak to you again, or that they're just done talking about that topic?", "BTW here is a FAR more complete definition of what an Ad Hom is... from an actual textbook about formal logic as apposed to webster's. Because if you're trying to get an understanding of formal fallacies by reading the dictionary, you're already lost. I say this not to insult you but out of pure honest, anyway I digress. If you don't feel like reading through this entire exerpt (not that I would entirely blame you, it's long, I know, I didn't write it) at least read the part I've bolded for you.\n\n\nAd hominem\n\n“Ad hominem” is a Latin phrase that can be translated into English as the phrase,\n“against the man.” In an ad hominem fallacy, instead of responding to (or\nattacking) the argument a person has made, one attacks the person him or\nherself. In short, one attacks the person making the argument rather than the\nargument itself. Here is an anecdote that reveals an ad hominem fallacy (and\nthat has actually occurred in my ethics class before).\n\n>A philosopher named Peter Singer had made an argument that it is\nmorally wrong to spend money on luxuries for oneself rather than give all\nof your money that you don’t strictly need away to charity. The argument\nis actually an argument from analogy (whose details I discussed in section\n3.3), but the essence of the argument is that there are every day in this\nworld children who die preventable deaths, and there are charities who\ncould save the lives of these children if they are funded by individuals\nfrom wealthy countries like our own. Since there are things that we all\nregularly buy that we don’t need (e.g., Starbuck’s lattes, beer, movie\ntickets, or extra clothes or shoes we don’t really need), if we continue to\npurchase those things rather than using that money to save the lives of\nchildren, then we are essentially contributing to the deaths of those\nchildren if we choose to continue to live our lifestyle of buying things we\ndon’t need, rather than donating the money to a charity that will save\nlives of children in need. In response to Singer’s argument, one student\nin the class asked: “Does Peter Singer give his money to charity? Does\nhe do what he says we are all morally required to do?”\n\nThe implication of this student’s question (which I confirmed by following up\nwith her) was that if Peter Singer himself doesn’t donate all his extra money to\ncharities, then his argument isn’t any good and can be dismissed. But that\nwould be to commit an ad hominem fallacy. Instead of responding to the\nargument that Singer had made, this student attacked Singer himself. That is,\nthey wanted to know how Singer lived and whether he was a hypocrite or not.\nWas he the kind of person who would tell us all that we had to live a certain way\nbut fail to live that way himself? But all of this is irrelevant to assessing Singer’s\nargument. Suppose that Singer didn’t donate his excess money to charity and\ninstead spent it on luxurious things for himself. Still, the argument that Singer\nhas given can be assessed on its own merits. Even if it were true that Peter\nSinger was a total hypocrite, his argument may nevertheless be rationally\ncompelling. And it is the quality of the argument that we are interested in, not\nPeter Singer’s personal life and whether or not he is hypocritical. Whether\nSinger is or isn’t a hypocrite, is irrelevant to whether the argument he has put\nforward is strong or weak, valid or invalid. The argument stands on its own and\nit is that argument rather than Peter Singer himself that we need to assess.\nNonetheless, there is something psychologically compelling about the question:\nDoes Peter Singer practice what he preaches? I think what makes this question\nseem compelling is that humans are very interested in finding “cheaters” or\nhypocrites—those who say one thing and then do another. Evolutionarily, our\nconcern with cheaters makes sense because cheaters can’t be trusted and it is\nessential for us (as a group) to be able to pick out those who can’t be trusted.\nThat said, whether or not a person giving an argument is a hypocrite is irrelevant\nto whether that person’s argument is good or bad. So there may be\npsychological reasons why humans are prone to find certain kinds of ad\nhominem fallacies psychologically compelling, even though ad hominem\nfallacies are not rationally compelling.\n\nNot every instance in which someone attacks a person’s character is an ad\nhominem fallacy. Suppose a witness is on the stand testifying against a\ndefendant in a court of law. When the witness is cross examined by the defense\nlawyer, the defense lawyer tries to go for the witness’s credibility, perhaps by\ndigging up things about the witness’s past. For example, the defense lawyer\nmay find out that the witness cheated on her taxes five years ago or that the\nwitness failed to pay her parking tickets. The reason this isn’t an ad hominem\nfallacy is that in this case the lawyer is trying to establish whether what the\nwitness is saying is true or false and in order to determine that we have to know\nwhether the witness is trustworthy. These facts about the witness’s past may be\nrelevant to determining whether we can trust the witness’s word. In this case,\nthe witness is making claims that are either true or false rather than giving an\nargument. In contrast, when we are assessing someone’s argument, the\nargument stands on its own in a way the witness’s testimony doesn’t. In\nassessing an argument, we want to know whether the argument is strong or\nweak and we can evaluate the argument using the logical techniques surveyed\nin this text. In contrast, when a witness is giving testimony, they aren’t trying to\nargue anything. Rather, they are simply making a claim about what did or didn’t\nhappen. So although it may seem that a lawyer is committing an ad hominem\nfallacy in bringing up things about the witness’s past, these things are actually\nrelevant to establishing the witness’s credibility. In contrast, when considering\nan argument that has been given, we don’t have to establish the arguer’s\ncredibility because we can assess the argument they have given on its own\nmerits. The arguer’s personal life is irrelevant.\n\n-Introduction to Logic and Critical Thinking v1.4, Matthew J. Van Cleave, pg199-201", "So you're saying you do or you don't understand how context work?\n\nIf you want to do this the entire time that's cool by me, whatever gets you off bud. I do have to say though I find it funny that you won't answer because unlike your question, mine isn't even loaded xD", "So you're saying you do or you don't understand how context work?\n\nIt's not a trick question, either you understand how context works in which case you know the conversation we were having was about prosthetics or you don't and that explains why you're acting so brand new.", "Cool so if you understand the conversation we were having is about prosthetics why did you tell me my answer about prosthetics was irrelevant?\n\nAlso this is just as an aside but you do know that combat capable robots already exist right? What do you think drones are?", "> It's not a trick question, either you understand how context works in which case you know the conversation we were having was about prosthetics or you don't and that explains why you're acting so brand new.\n\n\"I'm saying I do\" \n\nSo you're just saying that but in reality you don't? I'm confused.", "So you don't understand how context works, got it. That clears up so much. Have a good life dawg.", "When people are having a conversation, who do you think is generally the one who establishes the topic of it? This is not a trick question.", "> In a typical conversation, no person establishes a scope of what is or isn't discussed. \n\nWrong. Generally the person who starts the conversation is the one who establishes the topic. \n\nIf someone comes up to you and starts talking to you about a television show you both like you wouldn't generally do something daft like go \"ACTUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEATHER\" and definitely not in your first reply to whatever they said about the show. \n\nThat's not how a typical conversation functions at all, I feel like you know this and pretending otherwise is just being dishonest.", "> Conversations almost never have an exclusive topic\n\nWho are you arguing with? When did I ever say conversations have an exclusive topic?\n\nI said who establishes the topic, are you going tell me now that conversations don't have a topic? If that's the case then by what basis was my initial response you called out even irrelevant to begin with?\n\n\n>Instead you would probably talk about the television show, or maybe a new show you think they would like, or some other topic with a relation to the television show.\n\n\nYou're telling me the first thing out of your mouth will generally about \"some other topic in relation to the show\", or would it be more likely that you'd actually engage with whatever they said about the show first before changing subjects like some sort of sociopath?\n\n\n> you might start talking about robotics as well. Like... you did.\n\nI never started talking about robotics as well, what are you smoking?\n\nEdit: I'm going to try one last analogy and if you really can't grapple with this one you're truly lost\n\nImagine this thread was about a completely different topic. Imagine the first comment instead read \"Wow soccer is so exciting, I can't wait for the world cup!\" \n\nto which someone replies \n\n\"I don't understand why people get so excited about sports\" \n\nto which I reply\n\n \"Lots of people grew up watching soccer with their families and it's really important to many cultures. The matches can have a lot of energy and it gives a community something to come together around and root for\" \n\n\nOf course this would be your queue in the conversation to say something dumb as fuck like \"WTF YOUR ANSWER IS COMPLETELY IRELEVANT, IT'S ONLY ABOUT SOCCER, HE SAID SPORTS\" \n\nThat is unironically the same conversation structure this thread actually has.", "> Edit: I'm going to try one last analogy and if you really can't grapple with this one you're truly lost\n> \n> Imagine this thread was about a completely different topic. Imagine the first comment instead read \"Wow soccer is so exciting, I can't wait for the world cup!\"\n> \n> to which someone replies\n> \n> \"I don't understand why people get so excited about sports\"\n> \n> to which I reply\n> \n> \"Lots of people grew up watching soccer with their families and it's really important to many cultures. The matches can have a lot of energy and it gives a community something to come together around and root for\"\n> \n> Of course this would be your queue in the conversation to say something dumb as fuck like \"WTF YOUR ANSWER IS COMPLETELY IRELEVANT, IT'S ONLY ABOUT SOCCER, HE SAID SPORTS\"\n> \n> That is unironically the same conversation structure this thread actually has.\n\nNot sure if you actually saw that also\n\n> I simply pointed out that it wasn't a valid explanation of why one would be excited about combat-ready robotics, as robotics and prosthetics aren't equivalent\n\nYup and another way to word that with the exact same meaning would be \"I simply pointed out that it wasn't a valid explanation of why one would be excited about combat-ready robotics as prosthetics aren't relevant to robotics\"\n\nAs for my analogy change your dumb af statement to \"WTF YOUR ANSWER IS ABOUT SOCCER, SPORTS AND SOCCER AREN'T EQUIVALENT\" if it makes you feel better though", "I'm sorry my friend you are truly lost.", "Seek help.", "What argument do you think you just won? \nDude we can't even have an argument because you fundamentally refuse to acknowledge what started the conversation. We can't have an argument if we don't even agree on what we're talking about you jackass. \n\nSeriously seek help.", "yes\n\n> You just spent a day and a half arguing a trivial point you could never win with me.", "So it's a stalemate then? What are you trying to imply by that lol?\n\nIt's really amusing how you think acting like you don't understand how normal human conversation works is some sort of rhetorical win xD", "Btw you keep bringing up how long I've spent having this conversation with you, seemingly to try and make me look bad for some reason...\n\nI guess I just find that odd when you've been having it just as long XD", "I see what you're saying. I suppose that if the implication of \"you are a blithering idiot, or at very least you were writing like one. What I did was completely re-write your argument into something that actually represented a coherent thought, just not one someone intelligent would actually have\" was not \"you're not intelligent, therefore your arguments are not worth considering,\" then you're right. It would not have been an ad hominem as described above. It seemed to me like that's what the implication was, but I can't actually judge your intentions. By the way, the book quote you gave was a good one, thank you for that.\n\nI do want to respond to a few more things, namely, to apologize for my being patronizing, to address some ideas of civil debate, and hopefully, to get back to the topic of combat-capable enhancements (and/or bots), predictions of \"dystopia,\" etc.\n\nBut before I do that, I want to put two questions to you, not because I'm trying to \"trap\" you, but because I really do want to know, and don't want to make any assumptions before moving further.\n\n1. Take a look back at your original response to my \"If these enhancements cost people money\" comment. I am curious how you perceive the tone of your comment. Does it seem patronizing at all? Disrespectful at all? Maybe imagine if I had spoken to you like that, how would you have responded? Some examples in particular:\n\n\"What? You do understand that everything costs money right?\" \n\"This argument literally only makes sense if ...\" \n\"Even if I'm chartable beyond all reason and completely steel man the fuck out of your argument and instead of it being...\" \n\"it's still a pretty shit argument...\" \n\"Thank god most of the dipshits replying...\" \n\"\"OnLy ThE rIcH aNd MiLlItArY cOuLd AfFoRd ThOsE!\"\"\n\nDo these comments seem patronizing (or otherwise disrespectful) to you, or not?\n\n2. Follow-up question. I'm not sure if you've been in a formal debate or not, but assuming that you had, did you use that kind of rhetoric? We're obviously not in a formal debate setting, but what, in your view, makes that kind of rhetoric more appropriate when talking with strangers on reddit?", "This is going to be a long one because while your questions might be somewhat simple they require unpacking a lot of this conversation, please bare with me. \n\n\n> \"you're not intelligent, therefore your arguments are not worth considering,\" \n\n...Why would that be what I was trying to imply after I just spent paragraphs considering them? Also if you're being critical of what I said I didn't even call you unintelligent, what I actually said is that your writing is unintelligent, which is not the same. Plenty of intelligent people are terrible communicators. \n\n\n>But before I do that, I want to put two questions to you, not because I'm trying to \"trap\" you,\n\nAlright I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you weren't trying to be intentionally dishonest with this question but when you say something like \"Take a look back at your original response\" and then go on to quote as examples several things that weren't in my original response, you don't think that comes off as dishonest?\n\nTo be clear I understand you didn't actually say all of those quotes were from my original response but when your entire point is about how the conversation started off and that what I said made your response at least somewhat justified, how are things I said after the aforementioned original response relevant? After all, given that you feel the pretext for your snide remark is what \"justified\" (I use this term loosely let's please not get caught up on semantics) doesn't it seem obvious I likely feel the same? But I digress. \n\nTo answer your question it depends on what specifically we're referring to. Take the first two lines for example. \n\n>\"What? You do understand that everything costs money right?\"\n\nNo, I find this question neither patronizing nor disrespectful. It was a massive problem with your argument and it seemed honestly perplexing to me that you seemed to have not considered this obvious fact. \n\n>\"This argument literally only makes sense if ...\"\n\nYeah I honestly don't even understand how someone could interpret that as disrespectful tbh so I wouldn't even know what to defend...\n\n>\"Even if I'm chartable beyond all reason and completely steel man the fuck out of your argument and instead of it being...\"\n\nAgain this is just me being honest dude, the whole way to even remotely grapple with your original argument is to be extremely charitable and steel man it, which is literally what I did, and to be frank I wish half the people I talked to on this platform were respectful enough to deliberately try and steel man my positions instead of trying to strawman them to death. Steel manning someone's argument is a pretty undeniable act of good faith in a discussion. \n\n\n>\"it's still a pretty shit argument...\"\n\nI mean yeah I could have probably said that nicer but it's just me being honest, so this one I'll give you but with the caveat that I don't sugar coat things and don't expect who I'm talking to, to do so either. \n\n>\"Thank god most of the dipshits replying...\"\n\nI mean that one actually wasn't even referring to you specifically, I also don't remember if I said that before or after you accused me of committing an ad hom in all honesty, if it was after then yeah I was talking about you too, because people who throw around formal fallacy jargon with what is (and I truly mean no offense by this) a clearly incomplete at best understanding of what said jargon means in an attempt to claim some sort of moral high ground or rhetorical win drives me up a fucking wall. \n\nIt's insanely derailing to a conversation because it forces the other person to either accept a completely dubious charge or go in depth on the actual meaning of that jargon in an attempt to convince them they didn't really know what they were talking about which of course is something most people won't admit even if you somehow do manage to actually convince them. To your credit you were far more gracious than most when confronted with information you didn't previously have.\n\n\n>\"\"OnLy ThE rIcH aNd MiLlItArY cOuLd AfFoRd ThOsE!\"\"\n\nI mean this is basically unironically your argument though is it not? I was just trying to point out how absurd it was, and yes I still wholeheartedly believe your original argument was completely absurd. \n\n>We're obviously not in a formal debate setting, but what, in your view, makes that kind of rhetoric more appropriate when talking with strangers on reddit. \n\nI know you're going to hate that I'm doing this but I'm going to answer your question with another question. Do you think all the same behaviors that are appropriate in extremely casual settings are also appropriate in formal ones?\n\nI'm answering this way because if I'm being honest the answer to your question seems super self evident based on the question alone.", "Oh and one final aside, in general if I'm having a convo with you and I add things in a Edit: edit1: edit2: etc fashion the things in those edits are virtually never actually directed at you, if for no other reason than I have no expectation that you'll actually read them as obviously you're not notified every time I make a new edit. Generally those comments are directed specifically at the other people responding because I've noticed some sort of trend and I'm trying to nip that in the bud so to speak instead of dealing with 100coments about the same thing.\n\nThis isn't really something I would expect you to know or necessarily realize right away so I'm just letting you know now, and that other people are probably likely to use those edits in a similar fashion (though certainly not always, I'm not claiming this is some sort of rule).", "You're not very clever are you?\n\nAlso videos don't start conversations, people do. I mean maybe your deluded ass has \"conversations\" with videos but the rest of us generally only talk to people.", "> you were trying so hard to roleplay intelligence.\n\nROFL and you want to talk about projecting. Please go on another pointless diatribe about how hopelessly mentally outclassed I am compared to you and throw in the word mediocre again.\n\nPlease tell me more about your great genuis that after 2 days is still apparantly stuck in a stalemate with \"a mediocre mind missing the comprehension to really know what they were replying to, but with the fragility to spend the next day and a half trying to save face for some strangers on the internet.\"\n\n\nXD\n\nYou sat alone at lunch didn't you?", "Lol bro I am clearly not the one role playing here. Every fucking monologue you write couldn't be more dramatic if it were written by the highschool anime club. I'm just waiting for you to start screaming and trying to power up [like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlwda9S58Lg). \n\n>Hilarious what the word \"mediocre\" triggers in the intellectually insecure.\n\nLol I'm not triggered I just think it's funny that you've used it like 10 times XD I just assumed you'd have come up with something better by now, you've had 2 days XD", ">given that you feel the pretext for your snide remark is what \"justified\" (I use this term loosely let's please not get caught up on semantics) doesn't it seem obvious I likely feel the same?\n\nYes, it does make sense that you might feel that the pretext for your snide and disrespectful remarks directly led to them. In fact, you did use that argument when you said \"me insulting you is literally a direct result of your patronizing attitude.\" However, I do not actually believe (nor am I arguing) that my snide remarks and patronizing attitude are a direct result of your attitude. My tone is a direct result of my attitude/emotions. For this, I have some apologizing to do.\n\nI do apologize for my patronizing attitude. When I said, 'thanks for allowing room in your mind for not considering me a blithering idiot,' I was reacting with blithe sarcasm because when I saw the tone of response to my (definitely) overly-casual and overly-simplified \"if these cost $$...\" reddit-argument, I became reactive and defensive. It makes me uncomfortable when people think I'm an idiot, even strangers on the internet. I admit that I was not actually \"thanking you,\" I was sarcastically trying to say \"it seems you think I'm a blithering idiot, but instead of stopping there, you did manage to see roughly what I was trying to say, so let's talk.\" But I did it in a defensive way that implied that you were dense in the head. I am sorry for that.\n\nThat said, I did find the tone of your original comment to be extremely patronizing and overly aggressive. It's honestly a bit of a head-spinner to see you using such an aggressive and patronizing tone while at the same time taking such issue with that sarcastic comment I made, and even using that as reasoning to explain why you chose to insult me.\n\nI have looked at my patronizing comment and I can see how it was patronizing. It seems that you do not see how your comments from the get-go could have been uncivil and disrespectful, so I'll go over them and tell you my perspective.\n\n>What? You do understand that everything costs money right?\n\nOf course I understand that. You're responding to an obviously over-simplified, off-the-cuff reddit comment dashed off in 20 seconds. To your credit, you note that it \"seemed honestly perplexing to me that you seemed to have not considered this obvious fact.\" Your options were to a) think I'm a total idiot, b) think 'maybe this guy is dashing off an incomplete off-the-cuff argument. I'll ask him to elaborate to see what he means.' You kinda did 'b' while also talking to me like I'm an idiot. Disrespectful and patronizing.\n\n>\"Even if I'm chartable beyond all reason and completely steel man the fuck out of your argument and instead of it being...\"\n\nConsidering the possibility that my argument was a casual and overly-simplified 20-second reddit keyboard vomit that might have some actual ideas behind it if expanded upon is not \"charitable beyond all reason\". It's reasonably charitable. This is reddit, not a formal debate stage. Expect people to be casually dashing things out, and treat them with respect, not derision.\n\n>\"it's still a pretty shit argument...\"I mean yeah I could have probably said that nicer but it's just me being honest, so this one I'll give you but with the caveat that I don't sugar coat things and don't expect who I'm talking to, to do so either.\n\nHonesty isn't the issue here- civility is. Here's why: I debate for the purpose of views being changed. I don't debate if my view is incapable of being changed, nor do I debate with people who aren't willing to change their views. When people stop being civil in a debate, it's a sure sign that they're no longer motivated by the desire to uncover truth, or honestly learn the other's perspective (a.k.a. \"scout mindset\"). Instead, it's a pretty reliable sign that the debate is about being right, defending your position, defeating an opponent, etc. (a.k.a. \"soldier mindset\"). Aggression is appropriate to a fight. A good debate is not a fight, it's a respectful conversation.\n\nThis is why I stopped when I perceived the \"ad hominem.\" You told me it was not technically an \"ad hominem,\" which is fine, it wasn't. It was instead just a plain ol disrespectful way to talk to me. If you can't see how your language is disrespectful and uncivil, then I'm unwilling to continue the conversation.\n\nTo answer your question, \"Do you think all the same behaviors that are appropriate in extremely casual settings are also appropriate in formal ones?\" Absolutely not. For instance, my original, \"if these things cost money then...\" was an extremely casual comment, not a formal argument. It was oversimplified, yet not out-of-line in this casual setting. If I'd presented that as my argument in a debate hall it would have been absurd. Yet you started insulting me from the get-go. In my opinion, that's not appropriate in any conversation setting, casual or formal.", "> \"justified\" (I use this term loosely let's please not get caught up on semantics)\n\nDead serious, can you try responding again without arguing with me over semantics. Because if I'm being honest the fact that I specifically asked you not to do that and it was literally the first thing I started reading makes me have no desire to continue on. If not I think we're just going to have to end the conversation here.", "Ok, I've edited my comment to reflect what I'm trying to say without arguing about the semantics of \"justified\".", "> However, I do not actually believe (nor am I arguing) that my snide remarks and patronizing attitude are a direct result of your attitude. My tone is a direct result of my attitude/emotions. For this, I have some apologizing to do.\n\nSo you say this but only a couple of comments ago you said this when talking about my initial comment \"Maybe imagine if I had spoken to you like that, how would you have responded?\" So I appreciate you taking full responsibility and apologizing but when I talked about you justifying your actions as a response to mine that is what I was referring to, and being frank I find it hard to believe you were trying to imply anything else. Moving on though. \n\n> It makes me uncomfortable when people think I'm an idiot, even strangers on the internet. \n\nThat's fair, we all get insecure sometimes but it's really important to differentiate between someone thinking/calling you dumb and someone thinking/calling something you say dumb. No one has a good take on everything, and everyone has some pretty dumb takes on at least a few things as well. Part of being charitable in a conversation is trusting the person you're talking to knows that. \n\n>Of course I understand that.\n\nRight, it was a rhetorical question, which is why the answer is implied by the phrasing of the question. I was trying to get you to fully think about all of the implications of that fact, not simply the fact alone. Sometimes I would rather put someone on the path towards a line of thought rather than take the time to explain every detail. That line of thought might go something like this. \n\nOkay, so we realize clearly it is not simply the fact that they will cost money that is the issue but them having such a prohibitively high price that only the ultra wealthy and government agencies would be able to afford them.\n\nBut this raises not one but two new problems. One, we don't know how much they will cost, and two even if we did we don't know how much is \"too much\" or at least we haven't even begun to establish that. \n\nAre you starting to see how problematic that line of argumentation is now? I hope so, and my initial hope as ambitious as it might have been was for you to consider these things on your own by poising that rhetorical question to you. What you see as me treating you like an idiot I see as me treating you with enough respect to be able to fill in the rest of the blanks on your own. \n\n>This is reddit, not a formal debate stage. Expect people to be casually dashing things out, and treat them with respect, not derision.\n\nBeing respectful and charitable are definitely not the same thing, and while you may say that what I displayed is only a \"reasonable\" level of charitability that is obviously an opinion. Here's the difference, I would say that throughout this conversation you have been fairly respectful with the exception of a few snarky remarks, yes maybe even more than me, but what you have absolutely not been, is charitable. Being charitable means trying to look at your opponents arguments in the best light, which is what I did by steel manning your position though you don't need to go as far as to completely restate what your opponent is saying in order to be charitable. Examples of your lack of charitability in this conversation include things like assuming I'm trying to imply you're dumb by posing a rhetorical question to you, accusing me of committing an ad hom attack when I criticized your writing, despite having just spent paragraphs addressing the actual content of your argument, and arguing over the fact that you never actually said \"justified\" despite me explicitly stating that I was using that term \"very loosely\". And now this part is just my personal opinion but if I had to choose between you being respectful and being charitable I'd choose charitable every time because lack of charitability is seriously derailing to any debate. \n\nAs for what level of charitability constitutes \"reasonable\" as I said before obviously that's a matter of opinion but I'm of the opinion that if you yourself aren't even wiling to be that charitable than maybe you should recognize the person you're speaking to is being more charitable than they reasonably need be. \n\n>I don't debate if my view is incapable of being changed,\n\nI'm sorry but that's just plainly silly, even if it's true. You're telling me you would never debate something you know to be correct? For instance say a white supremacist wanted to argue that we should be in favor of genocide I'm sure (at least I hope) that they would never be able to change your view and agree with them, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be willing to debate the point, otherwise you're basically just ceding the ground to the white supremacist to try and convince others of their views unchallenged. \n\n\n>Yet you started insulting me from the get-go. \n\nI absolutely did not, but I feel I already pretty well explained that. You may have perceived my being a little short as insulting but I'm sorry that stems from your own admitted insecurity and not any real insults that were levied, at very least in my initial comment." ]	109	videos	Artificial Muscles Robotic Arm
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qcc84x/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qcc84x/deleted_by_user/	[ "I always enjoyed it and thought it had some really excellent scenes. Godzilla’s first show where you just see his feet, and the final taxi chase are very well done.", "I thought it was neat, I was also only 12", "It’s terrible, it’s a good junky film to watch if you have nothing better (including many other Godzilla films)." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/j2VMU1xwjQ4	/r/videos/comments/qccesl/circus_equipment_malfunctions_at_south_carolina/	[ "if you look closely around 0:07 seconds, you see a jolt of electricity!", "Damn, that went way better than I thought it would.", "[ Jump to 00:07 @ SC state fair accident 10/16/21 wheel of death derail electricity bolt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2VMU1xwjQ4&t=0h0m7s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: james dom, Video Popularity: 100.00%, Video Length: [21])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2VMU1xwjQ4&t=0h0m2s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "looked like a ball of fire dropped from the jolt.", "That dude got out of there so fast", "I like the guy that went to stand under it after it fell", "I think it's just a spotlight being knocked over as the performer rolls into it. It lights up the broken cable as it falls toward the camera, making it look like an arc of electricity. if you step frame by frame (using the . key ) through the video you can see it more clearly", "Yeah, it’s like the situational awareness is off the charts…he hits the ground and immediately rolls the hell outta there.", "Wow, that could have been so much worse.", "As a software engineer that considers fault tolerance daily and after watching this multiple times - seeing the secondary cables hold while also the performers ability to ride the descent and safely roll away I find it hard to see anything more than beauty in this video.", "That was very lucky malfunction, after the initial fail it gains a lot of momentum and that structure is not rated for those kind of dynamic loads in that direction. It should've failed more catastrophically, without factoring in sheer luck. There was a good probability that the whole support structure would've failed too. There is a factor of 5 safety rating but dynamic loads acting wildly and uncontrollably can easily exceed those. 1 ton rated structure can't take 200kg one meter drop (afaik, i've only assembled supports, not calculated them, i'm a land rat not a sky monkey..).", "I read that as “Curious” at first, still made sense", "Probably the same idiot that set it up.", "Awesome safety equipment. If that thing hit the crowd it would have been a disaster rather than just an embarrassment.", "When you roll a nat 20 on your dexterity save." ]	15	videos	Circus Equipment Malfunctions at South Carolina State Fair

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