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https://youtu.be/nXcdkjQLO4E?t=18	/r/videos/comments/qm6za0/i_randomly_ran_across_this_weird_fetish_youtube/	[ "My dick is so hard for this", "That really grinds my gears.", "Thank you for this. It's so fucking weird lmfao.", "My Hussband once got stuck in the muddy snow after 50 cent Hamm’s night at the local bar. He brought a $10 bill down, and spent that whole thing then got stuck and he remembered he had a candle in his car to melt the ice. Well it wasn’t working so well so he also had a can of spare gas in the trunk and poured it on to start getting it going. And that’s the second Oldmosbile Cutass we lost to a fire", "What are you doing step-deer... Help me stuck", "This is AMAZING. I love how serious it is. The description of this video in particular \"This isn't a true stuck...Yes I basically could have driven out at anytime....If you post pointing this out....Your comment WILL BE DELETED.\"\n\nlmfao", "So many of the comments are just about how she’s dressed.", "This story ruined my NNN", "These are the kinds of deep cuts I'm here for. Quality find.", "What in the [wet sagging](https://youtu.be/bgnjQcByD3w) tarnation is this?", "So Crash was a documentary, weird.", "Help step bro im stuck in mud again.", "I'm just glad I misread the title and didn't watch a lady throwing her cat into the mud. Nice legs, tho!", "haha on some videos they comment \"please more footage of your foot reving the gaspedal\"\n\nlike wtf some extreme foot fetisch", "rule 34", "My youtube recommendations are going to be prettttty weird after this thread.", "The comments are suitably weird too but all so supportive. I think it's a transvestite as well... I wonder if all the commentors are aware of this.", "You gotta turn off search history, amigo (within YouTube itself). You'll end up getting almost only suggestions that mirror your subscriptions and little else, but you won't end up with a bunch of weird shit.", "Lmao woosh", "I also suspected that only due to the amount of clothing accessories that hide the person", "/r/DeepIntoYouTube", "I think you can just remove just this one video from your history and your recommendations won't be affected by it if you do like how it's been recommending videos", "For sure. I forgot not everyone watches as much weird shit as I do." ]	23	videos	I randomly ran across this weird fetish youtube channel that is nothing but a lady getting her car stuck in the mud.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BAVFsLfZtZs&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qm84yy/joan_jett_i_love_rock_and_roll_rock_1983/	[ "Probably one of the best covers out there. Most people don't even know that The Arrows existed.", "Joan Jett is a legend. Played a gig with the dude playing the guitar. Complete douche.", "38 years ago. Where did the time go?" ]	3	videos	Joan Jett - I Love Rock And Roll [Rock, 1983]
https://youtu.be/MISUHTo2NDs	/r/videos/comments/qm8m93/best_wrestling_promo_ever/	[ "My favorite wrestling promo was way back in the days of the NWA...Ric Flair once told a heckler \"my shoes cost more than your house.\"", "Yeup", "I mean, I get that you mean \"best\" with sarcasm. It is definitely a bad promo this dude cut. He's a bad talker and should have had a manager.\n\nBest promos, though? Dusty Rhodes' \"[Hard Times](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9py4aMK3aIU)\" promo is a classic.", "Tttttoday junior….", "\"Last year I spent more money, on spilled liquor, in bars from one side of this world to the other, than you made!\" -Ric Flair." ]	5	videos	Best Wrestling Promo Ever
https://youtu.be/FEbBEAzqqtg	/r/videos/comments/qm92s6/canserbero_es_epico_anifilm/	[ "https://youtu.be/83bzs37LAKY&t=35s", "Huhuhuhu lmao xD", "Pq tienen las pelotas del rhiniceroncesti" ]	3	videos	Canserbero - es epico [ani-film]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYy0o-J0x20	/r/videos/comments/qm94kr/speaking_of_bo_burnham_his_kanye_rant_is_my/	[ "Controversial opinion: the lighting is the only good part. The pringles thing isn’t funny, the burrito bit isn’t very good either. It’s all performance and no substance. If it weren’t for the delivery with the light show these bits would fall very flat.", "The hook didn't bring you back?", "The only thing in there that is genuinely funny is what he’d do before eating a burrito with a fork.", "that’s not very controversial, that’s just meh", "That... was his whole fucking point.", "many people dislike bo burnham. it's not controversial to not like something. \n\ni think this is incredibly well done and entertaining, and very likely would be bored to tears by things that you are into. different strokes. \n\nimagine if every video posted to reddit had a comment from every person that didn't like it, just making sure everyone knew they didn't like it. that would be really annoying and unnecessary.", "0 idea why you guys obsess over people like this.", "I strangely feel touched by this. He just has a way of sneaking vulnerability into a well packaged gag. It just really speaks to me.", "The fact that idiots still cheer when the autotune goes high-pitch really says something about 🅱️ociety", "Kanye needs to get his notepad out", "People were standing outside in Dallas waiting for JFK Jr to show up and announce that he was Q and that he was going to be Trump's running mate.\n\nIn the grand scheme of things I think being entertained by an entertainer and enjoying their stuff isn't that big of a deal.", "Bo burnham sucks", "That is an opinion and it is fine to think that. Some people like him, some obviously don't. This type of stuff is subjective and no single entertainer is going to work for everybody.\n\nYou know what isn't an opinion? JFK Jr has been dead for over 20 years.", "Thanks for reminding me how much I dislike Bo B.", "I assumed that he was mirroring how Kanye did it? \n\nI assume the audience thought that too? \n\nIs that not how Kanye did it?", "Cool. Bo Burnham sucks ass objectively", "Ah. Not enough penis and fart jokes for you.", "Remember when he talked about Kanye’s shirts? \n\n\nYou’re like, almost on Bo’s side here. You’re so close man", "Yea that's exactly how Kanye does it. The whole bit.", "Oh I don’t dislike Bo Burnham at all. Like him a lot. Make Happy has some real bangers. Words Words Words was my favourite special until Inside. This one in particular isn’t good. It’s just kinda weird and not funny, but performed with really good effects.", "His point is to be lame and awkward exactly like Kanye? Job accomplished I guess but that doesn’t make it good, lol.", "You're fun people, keep it up friend! =)", "What's the like \\this\\ you're referring to? genuinely curious as he seems reasonably unique to me.", "People are saying its satirising Kanye but i genuinely believe it just sounds good sonically.", "Reddit seems to obsess over who have a niche talent and tend to over blow them on everything.", "It's the \"haha guys I was only pretending to be retarded\" of comedy. Like, alright man, good job I guess.", "It's not a big deal at all but that's a super weird thing to bring up in response.", "He participates in the subs that promote that sort of shit, which is why I brought it up.", "The bots are out in force.", "His popularity and hit shows suggest otherwise", "I think you’re weird for not liking it…that being said, I respect your honest opinion and commentary disliking this bit. So keep it up you don’t you.\n\nYou don’t need to like the same things as me. Especially when it comes to entertainment. ☮️", "And now I have to watch Inside again", "Pretty weird to go digging into somebody's history just because he doesn't like Bo Burnham but whatever I guess.\n\nEdit: holy shit what a controversial opinion lmao", "This title is a little disingenuous, and the song-alone will take you out of the context. This song is a rant, in the style of Kanye. Not about Kanye. It's a parody on the idea of people being entertained by watching a mentally ill person perform on stage.", "judging by the censorship in the comments and clear use of bots id say someone disagrees with that sentiment.", "I think the title is just poorly worded, not disingenuous.", "What do children have to do with anything?", "Not really, whenever someone says something so clearly contrarian to an objectively true idea (like saying Bo Burnham is very talented, and then someone says he's a hack or that people are stupid for liking his act) it's pretty standard to just click the username to see if they're either a deliberate troll or a fucking imbecile. In this case it's the latter.", "^blullululluu", "Awesome", "Masterpiece", "Um, but isn’t that exactly why the profile feature exists? The point of amassing all your comments and threads into a single place, and to have that place one click away for every other user who wishes to access it, AND without the option to make that profile private, is expressly to enable people to check the history of another user for whatever reason they might have to do so.", "I think y’all are reading too far into it", "Maybe you’re not reading far enough, Bert.", "Like a lot of his songs I don't think this was intended to be very funny.", "Just say you don’t get it", "That whole bit obviously went over your head. Not something that an education can really give you honestly, I think you might be dumb.", "The audience bit is perfect. “I love you, I hate you, I need you, I fear you”", "And start writing a letter to pringles about the size of their cans?", "So singing is niche now, or anxiety? \n\nYou make no sense", "He's not a great comedian. He's a great singer/songwriter. That's where he shines. The jokes are kinda meh.", "That's cool but who asked", "Maybe he thinks comedy is niche because he seems pretty joyless lol", "What do you mean, \"speaking of Bo Burnham\"? Who are you talking to? Hello?", "\nMy dude have you ever seen Kanye perform? This is the exact point and parody. He's making a social comment about people enjoying mental illness on stage. It's stupid because that's Kanye and his Fandom. Empty, full of nothing, zero substance, just a cult of personality propped up by money and insanity.", "It doesn't make it good, it makes it great. You'll understand when you're older i guess", "Given your multiple comments, you seem to really want people to know that you specifically don't like him. \n\nDo you ever wonder why you feel the need to insert yourself in discussions only to bring nothing to the conversation?", "How so?", "You should read his comment history. It's a trip. I thought I was a downer.", "This is uploaded to YouTube on Bo Burnham’s channel and is titled “Can’t Handle This (Kanye Rant)”. It’s well know as the “Kanye Rant” song.\n\nNothing is poorly worded. Nothing is disingenuous.\n\nEnough with everyone being pedantic or getting upset over everything all of the time.", "There's a reason Make Happy isn't on Spotify. It's meant to be experienced with the lights and his stage presence.", "Someone did actually put it on Spotify unofficially. It even includes bits that aren’t in the filmed special. Search for Bo Burnham make happy as a podcast.", "Makes me nearly cry every time", "Kay.\n\nBut that’s not funny, it’s just lame, awkward, and dumb. Your response really only confirms to me that it’s a terrible bit, but it’s supposed to be terrible.", "On the contrary, I think he has excellent comedy chops, it just doesn’t show in this particular piece. Sometimes his stuff misses the mark.", "It’s not good comedy and it’s not very good as an introspective piece either, in my opinion.\n\nArt is dead was great without being “very funny.” This was just weird and dull.", "This was the first time I got worried about his mental health.", "Not enough of anything of substance more like. Like, I get that the whole bit is a parody of Kanye rambling about inconsequential shit, but you could do that without making it so fucking dull.", "Haha I'm a huge fan of his, but I respect your unyielding whole-hearted disdain. Here's one less downvote", "Irony can be more than a knock-knock joke. I get it, you don't get it. Some people just don't have the cognitive depth to grasp complex humor i guess.", "Jesus Christ… imagine calling Pringles cans and burrito fillings complex humor.\n\nSome people just can’t grasp that I think the jokes are bad and the bit misses the mark, they have to believe it’s because I don’t understand it.", "It’s just crazy that this is simultaneously a parody of a stupid song/show but simultaneously a pretty great show in and of itself. The lighting really stimulates you like you’re at a normal concert and that contrasts so well with the jokes. Love this whole special.", "You didn't like it. You could have just said that, but you obviously didn't understand it so you wanted to whine about how it was bad humor. Now you want to save face and just say you didn't like it. Okay bro. You're smart, you really know funny. You okay now?", "But on the internet you get.... A little bit of everything all of the time", ">\tbut you obviously didn't understand it so…\n\nAaaand you once again prove my point that people cannot grasp that I understand it and think it’s done poorly.\n\nThat’s been my whole point the entire time, I’m not “saving face.”", "The whole special (Make Happy) is the best comedy show I've ever seen.", "The irony hurts.", "This dude is not in any way funny.", "Yeah man. I just watched this with my morning coffee and for some reason I'm just a hot emotional mess.", "Mentally ill yet the richest black man in America. And also arguably the greatest artist of this generation.", "I feel like I know the beat but I just can't place it, any ideas?", "I’d say Bo burnham is arguably the greatest artist of our generation, but that statement is one of those ‘Forbes person of the year’ things, Where you can say it about literally anyone.", "You're doing great. Have an upvote.", "What’s your point? There’s no correlation between wealth and success and mental health. It can affect anyone.", "lol you have a different opinion you loser", "Idk, I never thought the whole singing comedy gimmick was funny", "People are sad", "It’s a parody of Kanye but also a commentary on fame and mental illness. The burrito is actually his fame and success not fitting very well into his life. Feeling like all of a sudden this burrito is way too big and he’s getting so much anxiety watching this person fold it kind of like how he got crazy anxious watching himself get famous. He notoriously has horrible anxiety and talked about it in his recent special. If anything this burrito thing is deeper than you realize", "Just wanted to say it that's all.", "Maybe people genuinely don't like you.", "It’s literally a non statement. You can be the greatest artist of our generation if you like. \n\nIt’s purely subjective to every single person.", "Follow the instructions of your username, racist.", "seeing how they are Bo Burnham fans I dont think I am missing out on their friendship too much.\n\nhey some people rely on talent to get famous. others rely on algorithms and idiots on social media. to each their own.", "He's gotta take another run at figuring out why fish sticks + Kanye = gay fish", "Please delete your posts where you don't call people Bert. You're ruining the bit.", "Why can’t you just let other people be happy? What do you get out of trying to bring others down? Seriously.", ">reeee y people like thing i don like?????\n\nthis is you", "If you got on a stage and talked about your fears and insecurities, opinions on society, and thoughts on life it definitely wouldn't be hilarious. Same with most people. What he does and the way he does it is not only unique, it's top tier. It's not comedy catch phrases like \"you might be a redneck\" and it's not observational comedy, or audience interaction...it's a very tough style to pull off. This clip with the Pringle can taken at face value might not reflect that but most people who see this have seen the whole show and get why he's bitching about a Pringle can. But I'll end it by saying I never understood why Jeff Dunham and his terrorist puppet was a thing so to each their own when it comes to what makes them laugh.", "Feels reminiscent of Runaway by Kanye.", "Definitely similar enough to get runaway stuck in my head but I feel like I have heard this exact beat before", "I agree with everything you’ve said. But Kanye’s performances definitely have substance and yeezus (which is what he’s parodying here) is a highly rated album for a reason. While I know Kanye is a controversial figure his social commentary within the album would be at least considered “substance”", "My father in law will post on Facebook spam that asks questions like, \"Jelly or honey on your peanut butter sandwiches?\" And he will type in all caps, \"NEITHER. I DONT EAT PEANUT BUTTER\". Then don't answer the fuckin question, Scott. ITS NOT FOR YOU.", "I will never not upvote the Bo burnham Kanye style song", "It’s the outro to runaway", "Well, well...", "It's a variation of \"Runaway\" by Kanye West. It's the song/music Kanye west usually does his rant thing over.", "Mate this is the internet. It's international.", "He talks about what he is insecure about and that makes him great... but as a comedian... hes not funny so doesnt that make him a shitty comedian?", "No its not. More like\n\n\"Reeee bo burnam suk ass\"", "I dont get anything from letting people know that bo burnam sucks ass.", "Its bo yo", "A comedian singing about anxiety... yes is niche you dunce.", "The multiple responses beg the differ", "That's your opinion, I get it. I think my main point was that it takes skill, he may not be funny to you but he's certainly not mediocre or shitty as a comedian, you just don't like his style. I certainly wouldn't describe it as niche.", "Popularity =/= quality", "Look who's inside again", "There have been a few All posts about him", "I dont get you guys. Even if a guy had a netflix concert series and some people listened to his absolutely horrendous trumpet playing... doesnt me he is objectively good.\n\nThe issue with this is bo is supposed to be a \"comedian\"... except hes not fucking funny. A bunch of weiners in here screaming at me that he is some sort of mental disability angel to them.. comedians are to be funny. Its kinda in the definition.", "This guy is a genius. Still listen to this at least once a week.", "In my opinion he’ll go down as one of the most brilliant comedian/performers of our time. At least of his generation.\n\nInside was the most perfect performance I’ve ever seen and this was a close second.", "Same. It's so funny but so touching at the same time. It's genius.", "You're just trying to argue. Comedy, like music, movies, shows, etc is completely subjective. This is the equivalent of you saying pizza sucks and you can't understand why people eat it, and I say well lots of people like pizza, that doesn't make it a bad food just because YOU don't like it...Your complete refusal to accept that people actually find him funny is a strange hill to die on. If you named a comedian you though was funny there will 100% be lots of people who hate that person, and you would find yourself trying to explain why they're funny to you and this whole thing goes on forever. As for the \"weiners\" in here going after you, he certainly has strong support because of the way he connects to audiences. Go to any sub on Reddit dedicated to an artist and that's pretty common. .", "I'm imagining you drinking this coffee: https://youtu.be/CRYwhAo0NIY", "Nah you do", "I thought it was some modern type of internet posting like when people post something unprovoked, starting it off with \"okay but\" or \"sorry but\" as if they're mid-conversation or mid-argument.", "Lol first off... believe me when i say i dont wanna argue with you.. hell i dont mind never talking to you weiners.\n\nAs for subjectivity... comedy just needs to be laughed at. Thats it. No one laughs with bo yo. Its not fucking funny. That simple. Now wipe your mouth and stand on your feet haha.\n\nReddit is not the grand adjudication of what is quality LOL.\n\nBunch. Of. Fucking. Weiners.", "Aight.", "You have to be a bit fucked up to be a comic. It comes from a deep desire to make people like you.", "went out to look for a reason to hide again", "You can't even read my posts subjectively. I don't think the clip was funny either. And I don't think it was necessarily supposed to be. Like Dave Chapelles stand up portion where he talks about his trans friend committing suicide, not all comedy shows HAVE to be funny non stop. Sometimes there's a message. There's a literal term for it, laughs per minute. Some comedians strive for high laughs per minute, some don't give a shit. My last two points before I stop with this madness. \n\n\n1. Correct. Reddit is not the grand adjudication as a whole on what is funny and what is not. To that I say this...you're getting down voted to hell for your opinion he isn't funny. Clearly people laugh at Bo Burnham. You're the outlier in this particular thread. On another thread maybe you get upvoted. That doesn't make your opinion correct in either one because it's SUBJECTIVE. \n\n2. Calling people weiners this many times is kinda weird.", "The Jeffrey Bezos animation post on this subreddit used another of Bo’s songs.", "He isn’t an average comedian, he’s a lot more artsy. If you don’t like his material, then don’t watch or listen to it. Many people do enjoy it, though, and you’re gonna have to cope with that fact.", "Not all comedy requires laughing.. it just has to be fucking funny. Thats what comedy is.\n\nI feel like bo burnam is the salad tossing of reddit. No one ACTUALLY likes it but everyone else thinks everyone else is doing it so they do. Bunch of fucking corndogs.\n\nWhy is calling people weiners weird?", "So people should stfu about chappelle?", "I have never heard Kanye say anything significant about society that was not simpleton childish provocation for the sake of shock value. His success is like the GOP's success: round up the most vapid disengaged and delusional to follow a cult of personality that is equally repellent and disengenuious.\n\nIf Kanye has substance, it's on the same level of the WWE being called a competitive sport.", "haha, pretty much, but less black makeup and more sloppy tears", "Weird tangent. No idea what Chapelle has to do with this.\n\nAnyway, people like different things. Here’s a rule to live by: as long as nobody is being harmed or suffering due to a thing, it’s not something which should be changed or argued against. People enjoying Bo Burnham falls firmly into the category of “innocuous”; keep railing against it if you want, but it’s not going to change anyone’s mind, and it just outs you as an authoritarian caricature.", "Is it: you don't like it\n\nOr\n\nIs it: it's not good\n\nIf you re saying you don't like it, to each his own, right?\n\nIf you are saying it's not good, you aren't really explaining why it isn't. Other than claiming that using metaphors, parody, timing, lighting and sound to is a \"missed mark\" and a \"poor\" effort at comedy and talent.\n\nThis is why people are down voting you. Because you are coming off asinine, whether you intend to or not.\n\nThis message wasn't actually for you as much as it was for others who are wasting their time trying to talk to you about this. Hopefully they will pick up on how pointless it is trying to argue about your opinion, since you aren't any kind of authority on comedy criticism or humor.", ">He isn’t an average comedian, he’s a lot more artsy. If you don’t like his material, then don’t watch or listen to it. Many people do enjoy it, though, and you’re gonna have to cope with that fact.\n\nDoes this pertain to Chapelle or are you ready to expose tbat you are a hypocritical weiner.", "Bo talks in the third person. Now the perspective is switched, Botox in the third person.", "Angry old man waves fist - News at 11", "Young redditors with sore knees and throats service bo burnam again. More after this idiot replys.", "I think the “artsy” piece pertains to both of them, sure. Please explain how I’m a hypocrite, this is getting boring.", "Oh have to be artsy. Got it. Goal posts moved. How about go away kiddo.", "I have no idea what you’re on about. Fortunately, I don’t really care.", "Obviously not always, but in this case I think it is.", "[Kanye West - Awesome?](https://youtu.be/pIkuIibm1xU)", "Here’s my take dude. As someone going through a bit of a mid life crisis myself, his existential observations being conveyed with a level of humour really hits home for me. He both entertains and provokes a deeper meaning to what he presents. I think it is quite unique and artistically brilliant.", "How do people genuinely feel when he addresses his mental health and his struggles being a comedian? Do you think it enhances the show? Do you think it detracts from the show? Do you feel like comedy is the perfect medium to express his doubts and fears, or that he should talk about it elsewhere? People obviously love him, but I'm curious how they truly feel about that aspect of his art.", "When ever I'm overwhelmed with life, I can just tell my wife that \"I wouldn't of got the lettuce if I knew it wouldn't fit\". She knows exactly what I mean every time. \"I can't even handle this right now\"", "Comedy is a form of entertainment. It is entertaining even if I didn’t laugh.", "Y’a i don’t understand how people are missing the deeper meaning behind what he is saying.", "Cool. Wheres the comedy.", "Comedy is a form of entertainment. So is music. Comedy has a definition. This shit isnt comedy.", "\"Its a parody on the idea of people being entertained by watching a mentally ill person perform on stage. \"\n\nSoo, like kanye?", "Spelling eludes local idiot. No survivors.", "When Bo addresses or quips about mental health, suicidal ideation and the struggles in both career and our society I feel he is shouting the parts we all hate to acknowledge about modern life and by putting a comedic twist with it, it makes us basically say:\n\n\"Ahahahaha, haha, haaa......fuck....\"\n\nWe are all low-key completely done with the struggles of modern life, the corruption, exploitation and disregard of mental health issues that have been taboo to speak of for generations.\n\nComedy is a perfect medium to call out systematic flaws, oppression, frustration and many hot topics. It allows a mix of viewpoints and heated discourse to be balanced with laughter to smooth it out rather than sit in a lingering uncomfortable silence. \n\nCalling out things we find taboo triggers the basic element of humor of subverting expectations. \n\nGeorge Carlin and Bill Burr are excellent examples of using comedy to call out toxic behavior and double standards very agressively and riding that line of venting frustration and making people laugh. \n\nTl; Dr \n\nBo taps into existential dread, exasperation and extraordinary self awareness to subvert expectations as humor and people love it.", "I think he started out pretty fluffy and fancy free, and is only sad now after getting famous", "GO TO THE OTHER BO BURNAM THREAD! YOU CAN HAVE FIRST DIBS AT DOWNVOTING ME", "Uncontroversial opinion: you didn’t get the substance and the layers. Maybe he could sing a fully produced song about a 7layer Mexican pizza and you wouldn’t get that one either.", "[Only One](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibQR0tQ0P8) has the same chord progression and [Hey Mama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLE8lgKfrk0) has the same orchestral string components with the vocal pacings from [Runaway](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5iA4Zupek).\n\nThe intro has similar chord progression to [Goodbye's by Post Malone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba7mB8oueCY).", "You should also watch ‘we think we know you’ from his previous special ‘What’\n\nhttps://youtu.be/dQTZVnDE2Qw", "That is quite a generalization there.", "I go back and forth between this and “we think we know you” of what I like more.", "He can't even handle this right now", "This comment made me chuckle in a public restroom. Now I feel weird.", "> Not about Kanye. It's a parody on the idea of people being entertained by watching a mentally ill person perform on stage.\n\nIt's kind of about Kanye, who's bizarre ranting also reflected mental issues that were getting worse and weren't being treated or dealt with properly.\n\nI don't think the parallel was unintentional - the only real difference between the two is a few punchlines and a whole lot of self awareness. Bo was directly imitating Kanye and commenting on him. \"End the show with a kind of weird auto tuned rant that hints at significant and crippling mental health struggles\" describes both, and that goes way beyond just doing it in the musical style of Kanye.", "Anecdotal, but every stand-up comic I've known (and there are way more than I'm comfortable to admit) has been a sad mess of a person, and the funnier they were, the more fucked-up their inside was.", "This shit gets to me every time.\n\nIt's so goddamn relatable.", "I watched bo’s videos on YouTube before his specials on Netflix and before I joined Reddit. Not many musical comedians can make me laugh, no comedians can make me think and self reflect like Bo does. You’re getting hate because you came in a Bo Burnham thread to tell people he’s not a real comedian because he’s not funny. He’s an artist and a better one than you could ever hope to be. The other dude is right tho that’s like you going to a pizza shop and saying “I don’t understand why people eat pizza, I don’t like it”. Then go away bro no one wants you here", "This guy ain't wrong.\n\nSource: years of performing stand up comedy", "I've interviewed a lot of entertainers, and comedians tend to be the saddest and least-funny interviewees -- especially the really good comedians.", "That's the point, he's not sad because he's a tragic artist he's just a person with the same anxieties we have.\n\nHe's not dissing Kanye by saying his problems are very self-centred and out of touch but more that he has his anxieties and tries to express them. He can fail at doing that, he can be arrogant at doing that but that is what every individual is like.\n\nIndividual.", "Not all people. I'm not sad. Probably partly why I'm also not that funny", "So weird, I completely agree with you. Digging into someone's history to personally attack them as soon as you disagree is insanity.", "> He just has a way of sneaking vulnerability into a well packaged gag\n\nThat's his style with a lot of his work. It's usually a comedy sandwich where there's something revealing in the middle of it.", "They reading further than my hand can fit into a Pringles can", "Bless you and your wife", " it's how I became funny and how my friend who became a touring stand-up became funny. You need to be a little fucked in the head.", "I still remember watching Bo Fo Sho on CollegeHumor in my dorm room in the mid '00s.\n\nIt's kind of surreal to watch an artist go from a teenager making period jokes to watching Inside and ugly crying.", "Yep. I only ever tried to be funny because of insecurity. Make people laugh because then maybe I'd be accepted.", "I bet there's some truth to it. Way back when I was young in 5-7th grades, humor is how I turned people into liking me when I felt no one did due to just one person who treated everyone like shit\n\nThen you also look at how many comedians have died from suicide and drug overdoses.\n\nI can totally believe a large portion of comedians started doing it as a coping mechanism, even inadvertently. Some just keep going and make it to the stage", "I underatand why people eat pizza. Its good. I also know that there is a definition of pizza. Same with comedians. Bo Burnam doesnt meet the definition.", "Same here, brother.\n\nWe sustain ourselves off the joy of others to numb us to the lack of it in ourselves. We dont have it, but maybe if we can create enough of it, we can catch the scraps leftover from those who consume it. I dont own a pool but maybe if I help enough people build theirs, I might catch a splash of water now and then.\n\nThere is no greater high than when it's working and they love you, and no deeper low than when it is abruptly over, and they all go home. They're telling each other their favorite parts and how great it was, while you're in a corner getting your things together trying to remember where your car keys are and your box of marginally selling CDs and t-shirts, trying to convince yourself that someone tonight enjoyed something, and maybe for a brief moment, they loved you for it.\n\nComedians desperately need other comedians among their inner circle. If you dont have one, get one right away.\n\nWe got you.", "You aren't alone.", "Thank you. We are going through a lot right now, and honestly I feel like I wouldn't of got the cheese if I knew it wouldn't fit (I hate lettuce and love cheese) but really want to be able to deal with everything. A random blessing from internet stranger really means a lot.", "The local stand up community used to be my main social circle, but after a falling out with another comic who was my best friend of about 7 years, I just gave it up completely.\n\nI'd rather not go than deal with being around them.\n\nIt sucks.", "Funny you're calling others a dunce and judging about what content people enjoy.\n\nAre you so out of touch with people that you can't even come up with one single reason why someone might enjoy content like this?\n\nI'll bet you're not that obtuse.", "I can see why you guys enjoy watching him as a non comedian. He isnt funny. Thats plain and simple. People continuously espouse that he speaks on his \" insecurities\" and shit. Cool. What ever floats your boat. Just dont call him funny.", "I agree with you, this just feels like an early version of Inside but with no nuance or subtlety.", "Yeah, especially when he admitted he was experiencing panic attacks. It put a lot more real emotion into this than I first thought there was.", "Humor is subjective, buddy. What you may find funny, others may not. It's pretty much as simple as that.\n\nI find Bo Burnham funny. You are free to not find him funny. Just don't tell people what to enjoy and call funny.", "But you’re wrong in the fact that he absolutely falls under the definition of a comedian. He makes jokes that make people laugh. His shows while not always are meant to be laughed at, the majority of his set is comedy, which by definition, makes him a comedian. You’re just wrong about this move on.", "its true though.", "I can tell you’re funny because you talk about how funny you are", "does anyone know how he autotunes this. What equipment/software is there to do it? Can this be done with an Ipad and hardware added?", "Never told anyone what to enjoy. You cant call him funny. Hes not.", "I make people laugh. Im not a comedian. Shit your comment made me laugh AT you but your not a comedian. Just a joker.", "> You cant call him funny\n\nHe's so funny", "You said he didn’t fit the definition of comedian. You are absolutely wrong about that. Just because you don’t find him funny doesn’t make him not a comedian. You know the world doesn’t revolve around you right? I can’t help you’re too dumb to understand that.", "Nobody breaks that 4th wall quite like Bo.", "That's very his thing I feel. Like he understands pop culture and the artform more deeply than most and yet hates it so much simultaneously.", "Do they commit suicide at a higher rate than other stage performers?", "You good, tho?", "Not really.", "How have I never seen these before, I just watched like 10 of his videos", "That’s the only real way to know if someone is funny.", "Best part of it in my opinion. The people who are the greatest at their craft are the ones that find a way to expand what we thought was possible with the format. Bo is super meta, and I think he sees all the places that people were like “You just never do that in a comedy special…” and he goes straight for those things and they work. \n\nHis specials are evolving so that they’re not just 60 minutes of disconnected funny stories, they’re about deeper issues that he reflects with the format of the special itself. So much more difficult, and he does it so well when he steps into his space of talking about mental health and how internet celebrity culture is changing our society.", "Yeah. For example Chris Farley came from good family and had a typical American upbringing. Sure he struggled with wanting to fit in but that might have been more of a weight issue. That being said the dude was just a stand up guy who liked to party and make you laugh. Nothing deeper than that. \n\nI think the argument should be made only top notch comedians have a sad side. Being funny isn’t hard. It’s why actors will always tell you doing comedy movies are the chilliest gigs. But being a good writer or good at landing that punch line is hard to do. \n\nThis isn’t to say someone like Chris Farley wasn’t top notch but every doc from back in his SNL days says Chris was always worried that he didn’t add anything to the show since he never really wrote anything for the show. David spade and him became such good friends because spade saw how funny he was but couldn’t write good material for himself. So spade wrote a lot of those skits we all love with Chris Farley.\n\nAgain this is all generalizations as well. Not every comedian is a good writer and not every good writer can be funny.", "His point is that as an internet celebrity he signed up for a lot he wasn’t expecting would come with the territory (wouldn’t have got the lettuce if he knew it wouldn’t fit…) And that internet celebrity forces people into a mold they want so bad that they uncomfortable keep trying to shove themselves into it for gratification (the Pringles can) And that if you end up fucking crazy like Kanye maybe that’s part of what did it to you. He tells the story about how he has a contentious relationship with wanting to please his fans because he’s going through the process himself, and then he brings all the hooks back so you can see he was setting them up on purpose. He’s talking about the same thing all the way through the song but from different angles. It sneaks up on you the way his mental health problems snuck up on him. It’s all fun and games until you have a mental breakdown and are like “the fuck have I done to myself?!”\n\nI think it’s really great. Is it top tier funny-ha-ha? No - it’s his “real shit” moment where he’s trying to do something with more emotional impact. If you’re not into the meta stuff you’re never going to “get” Bo.", "It’s hits extra hard in that he took a 5-year break from performing after this from anxiety…", "Bo is a much better singer than Kanye.", "Definitely intentional, that's one hundred percent the reason he picked that song to parody.", "Wait, Chris Farley is your example of a guy that didn't have a messed up side? He had a long history of alcohol and drug addiction. He had many attempts at drug rehab and weight loss. Before he died, his health was clearly in decline - to the point where SNL pulled the last episode he was in from syndication. He died of drug overdose. Do you really think this is a guy whose mental health was in a good place?", "Well, well", "See: Bo's \"Art Is Dead\"", "Same amount of electric guitar I presume?", "Come and watch the skinny kid with a steadily declining mental health/ And laugh as he attempts to give you what he cannot give himself.\n\nFuck.", "Masterpiece of creativity. \nI don't know if it was for his state of mind or because of my state of mind but i shed a tear when \"we think we know you\" dropped", "Bo has never been a pure comedian. Nor has he ever been a pure musician/artist. \n\nHe just kinda does his thing. Sometimes it’s funny, sometimes it’s stupid catchy, sometimes it’s introspective and thought provoking other times it’s non-topical and even a bit uncomfortable. \n\nHis stuff is definitely unique and doesn’t fit into any one box or category.", "Lol yeah. This one's my favorite: https://youtu.be/Qga_Kt-PL3o", "The way he says \"I hope you're happy\" at the very end always gets me the hardest for some reason. I think it's because any number of other tones would have made it sound sarcastic or something but he says it in a way that makes me believe him and there's a beautiful humanity in that feeling. We can sincerely want the best for others, even if we don't know them or ever meet them. There's also a certain empathy you develop for people suffering through things you have suffered through so you understand firsthand how difficult it can be. Anyway, the way he ends this reminded me of all of these things and that's pretty neat.", "It’s not good, and I don’t really feel like going through it line by line to explain why eat lyric is dull. Most of it has no punchline, the few punchlines in there are really weak. Again, I understand that it’s a parody is Kanye rambling inconsequential nonsense, so it is accurate satire. It’s just not insightful or funny. And yes, I do understand it, I just think the substance rings very hollow and isn’t conveyed as well as his other works.", "Its really stupid that absolutely nobody in these comments can possibly grasp that I or anyone who dislikes this work can dislike it while also fully understanding it’s substance. It’s just not particularly insightful or humorous. It’s just bland, lacking any punch, but set to a really neat effects.", "Not missing it, just not finding it particularly insightful. Kind of a useless platitude. It’s not good.", "You're not obligated to defend or explain your position, but if you choose to not feel like going through it to actually make your point instead of just stating it, then as I said, you're going to sound asinine. That's not \"asshole\" but rather 'extremely stupid or foolish.'\n\nLike, alright man, everyone's got a baseless opinion and some even claim to have actual foundations to those and can argue their point. Have fun with yours.", "You’re not obligated to be contrarian either but here you are, insisting I write a novel for you to explain the intricate boringness of a weak set piece.", "I didn't, I was actually leaving a PSA for anyone thinking they'd get anywhere with you.\n\nI, on the other hand, have no hope for you.\n\nHowever I work a desk job and I'm bored so I have the time to waste here with ya.", "Dude sometimes this specific song catches me in a mood that legitimately makes me tear up at times. Usually early morning or late night. Just one of those things I guess - but I feel tou", "I have no problem explaining my position. I’m just not going to break it out into some multi-paragraphed tedious screed for you and everyone to just dismiss anyways. Nobody here is interested in being swayed anyways, they just want to downvote and insist I don’t understand some vastly layered insight they’ve picked up from a list of burrito fillings.", "dont fall into a hole of solitude man - because that's when it strikes. You got to get out and find people. They're not going to find you. Join a softball team, or a soccer team - go to a painting class. Whatever you got to do to be social because there's a bright shining pattern for guys like us and it always ends with someone who spent too much time on their own.\n\nIf you're doing that, get the hell out of there and join a dart's league at the bar or find a book club at the local store - it's not as hard as it sounds.\n\nIf you ever need to PM me, at least you know I've walked some of the same sidewalks and can understand.", "I'm missing the reference", "Hey, lemme try something. First of all, I feel you on that.\n\nIt seems like most people (not just on reddit) are not actually interested in dialogue. They just wanna say their piece, get told how many people agree, and then look for the next thing to parrot and get recognition for. Karma, Likes, Tweets, Praise from Family/Friends.\n\nInstead of actually growing together, we just want living mirrors and echo chambers.\n\nWhatever difference in the way we see the world aside, however complex a burrito joke is to someone and isn't to another, is irrelevant. I'm happy we see things different. And I dont expect anyone to explain themselves.\n\nI just think IF you're going to say something, then you've opened the door for dialogue. It looks like you want the cycle to make sense so you're fulfilling the prophecy so you can say \"See!\" \n\nIf you're so beat up by the way people are, I get that too.\n\nBut back to Bo.\n\nIt seems like you have an opinion, and you're entitled to it, and everyone else has theirs and they are entitled to it.\n\nThe issue is that you are talking like you have The Truth about Bo, that's egotistical as hell. Like, \"excuses you? Who the fuck are YOU?\"\n\nAnd so people are treating you like the big headed jerk you sound like.\n\nI'm sorry if that's not who you are and I'm sorry if you're beaten down and are just bitter now. But you sound like a dick, also and I hope this isn't out of line. I'm incredibly impressed by your weight loss. I haven't started my journey but i have passively made adjustments thst have helped for now.", ">\tHey, lemme try something.\n\n~proceeds to write multi-paragraphed tedious screed~", "I said I had time to waste with you, didn't I? I'm frankly amazed YOU don't have anything better to do.\n\nThen again, maybe you're just starved for interaction?", "I dont think I could change your mind but maybe have a look at how his albums have shifted the paradigm of hip hop as a genre. College dropout and 808s and heartbreaks being the most significant imo. \n\nI dont know why you're calling every republican and kanye supporter vapid, disengaged and delusional either. That's just putting such a wide range of people into one box and is a little disingenious. I am an Australian so I literally had to search up what GOP was and am not a republican. But I do consider myself a fan of Kanye. \n\nSo don't call me vapid, disengaged or delusional please", "Enjoy the existential crisis, friend", "It's impossible to talk about being funny without some bozo saying \"make me laugh funny man\" or some sarcasm quip.\n\n\nThe point is and what I'm focusing on is my experience. Find the funniest person in your group and it's usually born from a need to please others. \n\nThere is literally a term called sad clown paradox that covers the phenomenon I'm explaining.", "🤗", "Listen here, Bert….\n\n\nNo", "Tell me about it", "Haha hell yeah", "Its funny like that.", "Yeah I hadn’t seen this video before and it started out with me thinking “man this guy is funny” about the pringles and burritos, then he just drops thirty seconds of insanely real and vulnerable shit about his artistry and work and complexes and how he hates himself for a lot of what he does and how he feels about his reasons about it that when he goes “I should just do my job” and goes back to the burrito it’s a completely different mood entirely. Like…tragedy almost. I think that’s what makes me love him so much. He can weave together comedy and tragedy in a way that has you laughing one minute and wanting to cry the next over the exact same lines. I’ll be honest as a person who has had seriously fucked up mental health issues for the last couple years, watching inside was almost this crazy transcendent experience that I didn’t know how to feel about and kinda just left me dazed for a while. \n\nI know that sounds dramatic but Bo’s stuff just hits me in a way I can’t put words to, other than “yup…..it do be like that.” Which I guess is just relatability which makes me grateful for it even though idk if I can watch that special again for a good while.", "would you go so far as to say it’s kind of a … funny feeling?", "How is that a niche? Pretty much every comedian I listen to does this. Louie CK being the biggest one", "the funniest guys ive ever known also had a lot of demons to battle", "A little bit of realness goes a long way", "I never disagreed with you. But seeing as you just called me a bozo I’m going to assume your experience in comedy was in the 80s?", "Now that's funny", "How do I get started? I'm 35", "I speak of Bo Burnham all the time", "Google for open mics in your city. Try to find one specifically for comedy. There may be other more general open mics for performing music, poetry, etc... which you could go to, but actual comedy open mics will be much better.\n\nDepending on the city you're in, there may be a lot or very few. Some things may call themselves \"open mics\" but aren't really, e.g. you need to pay to get on stage, must attend a certain number of shows, etc... But that is only in the biggest, most competitive scenes.\n\nShoot for an open mic that will literally allow anyone in. Chances are the entire audience will just be other comics waiting for their turn. This is the perfect place to do your first sets.\n\nHave somewhere between 3-5 minutes of material prepared. PLEASE don't go over your allotted time. This is something both other comics and the venue will hate. They will generally flash a light to give you a 1 minute/30 second warning. If you're in the middle of something, quickly wrap it up. Don't try to squeeze in one more joke because you think it's funny and you didn't have time to get to it.\n\nDon't be shy to let them know it's your first time. We all know how hard it is to get on stage in front of people. They will be very understanding with you. Hang out afterward and have some beers, chat up other comics, ask for pointers, ask if there are more mics they know about. Go to other shows you won't perform at just to see more comedy and learn \n\nAs far as your material, the biggest piece of advice I can give that I see a lot of newcomers struggle with: don't use so much exposition. Most of the new comics I've seen weren't unfunny people, but there was too much dead air with no punchlines in between the jokes because they thought they needed to explain and give context to make the joke make sense.\n\nWhen I started out, I'd fully write out my whole joke. Them a day or two later, I'd go back sentence by sentence, word by word, and ask \"Do I need this? Does this make the punchline funnier?\" Often you'll find the answer is no, and you can take it out. Less talking between punchlines the better.\n\nThere's no worse feeling than telling a five minute story and then the joke flops and your time is up.", "Thanks!\n\nI'm definitely huge on the prep part. I really want to nail done 2 or 3 really neat little jokes or stories before I get up there. I'm genuinely good at improv but I feel stand-up is all about preparation!", "I struggled with overpreparing when I started. I tried memorizing jokes word for word but it would come off as a little stiff and if I got off script I'd struggle to find where I left off.\n\nYou want to have a little wiggle room. Some of the funniest moments I've had on stage have been off the cuff remarks that just popped into my head or responding to something on stage.", "Not really", "I called you people who made sarcasm quips or make me laugh funny man bozo's because they are \n\nYou elected to take the moniker so maybe that shows your bad faith in the first comment. \n\nSchmuck seemed to forceful \n\nRube felt off\n\nBesprawler and cumberworld and fopdoodle would have blown minds", "It's a double edged sword too. Comedians that get their rise off the back of being a miserable relatable piece of human garbage tend to lose their funny when they get their shit together.", "pure genius", "You really make comedy look effort-full.", "Is someone actively managing the voice effects while he sings, or how does that work?", "The advice from Buckeye is solid, but it assumes you've established that you are funny already. If you are not, that's okay - comedy is a skill that you have to work just like painting or guitar playing. Anyone can be funny if they put in the time training, studying, and practicing. Good rule of thumb: If X number of friends are encouraging you to do this, then you are ready. If they aren't, then you need to use THEM as your first step.\n\nI am CONSTANTLY bugging friends and family with \"hey I need to work out something that might be funny\" and I pitch a line or a setup at them. I dont need them to tell me it's funny, but to tell me if there's something there to work with and built a bit around.\n\nThat's the first part - actually being funny.\n\nThe second part is being a skilled writer - again, it's a skill not something an angel gave to you by touching you on the forehead at birth. Dont just think of funny bits and jokes. WRITE THEM OUT. WRITE THEM DIFFERENT WAYS. Read them back to yourself.\n\nfun fact: the Marx Brothers used to tour the US and would try out bits they planned to put into upcoming movies, and they would change up the punch lines every night and afterwards, would evaluate which punch lines worked better. Once they had it nailed down, they'd set it aside for their next movie.\n\nDo that.\n\nAnd age doesn't really matter. You can be funny at any age. I dare say that people get funnier as they get older.", "How? It's literally 2 references from the video." ]	267	videos	Speaking of Bo Burnham, his Kanye rant is my favorite of his.
https://youtu.be/nLK16VFEMaM	/r/videos/comments/qm9il2/dave_chappelle_describing_his_relationship_with/	[ "It's tongue in cheek when he describes himself as transphobic in the special.", "It's really something where you need to see the full context to understand.", "He calls gay and trans people \"gross\" and \"confusing\" and has said he's \"trans exclusionary\" . If he's an ally, he certainly has a weird way of showing it...", "Idk. He uses appropriate pronouns and talks like he treated her just like he would anyone else… isn’t that what everyone really wants at the end of the day? To be accepted just like everyone else? Sounds ally-ish to me. But whatevs.", "You should really watch the special. He \"self Describes\" himself as Transphobic in jest. As many people have commented on him being transphobic even tho a friend of his that he had open his shows and was close to as well as meant an incredible amount to him was a trans person. \n\n\nHe self describes himself that way because people have no fucking clue what they're actually talking about.", "Hes saying that because he was constantly called that by the media. Its tongue in cheek.", "It's a joke. He's saying \"because I'm [supposed/alleged to be] transphobic\"", "It’s possible to support something without understanding it or even agreeing with it. I’m quite sure a lot of people find find gay and trans people gross and confusing yet still support their rights and freedoms.", "It's about as ally-ish as pointing out you've got a black friend, which I have no doubt he'd call out if a white guy did it, and he'd be right to.", "Ok", "He really got stuck on this trans topic and it's not relevant to most people on the planet and it's not funny and it just makes him look like he should have stayed run away like he did after the show because now he is a weirdo", "Dave Chappelle proves that having an opinion on the lifestyles of others is ok as long as you are not trying to abolish their rights. If you have non-violent intentions, you can think whatever you’d like about the way other people live their lives.", "The show was pretty funny", "Having an opinion is fine. Other people can also have opinions about your opinion. It works both ways.", "There is something about this story that rubs me the wrong way, like he is using a dead trans woman that he didn't even know had a kid till she died as a shield.", "The punchline is a misgender", "All I can think of is some white dude saying \"it's ok, I have a black friend.\"", "I think you missed the point of him telling that story.", "No, I understand what he was trying to say. I just don't think he'd buy it if someone else did the same thing.", "He self-identifies as a TERF. That's a group that fights against trans rights. Not an ally, an enemy.\n\n\"TERFs: the rise of “trans-exclusionary radical feminists,” explained - Vox\" https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical", "He says he's a TERF. TERFs fight against trans rights. Not an ally, an enemy.\n\n\"TERFs: the rise of “trans-exclusionary radical feminists,” explained - Vox\" https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical", "Why not? I was just rewatching his specials and I realized that he has quite a few patterns in his stand-up. One of them is to tell a long story and then drive an important point home while you’re off guard. The story about Daphne was not just about “his one trans friend” it was about the necessity of compassion to each other because at the end of the day, we are all just people trying to live.", "Well he obviously doesn’t subscribe to fighting their rights as he literally plain and simple outright said that across multiple specials. He’s navigating his feelings through his work. That’s what art is. Also yes… he made jokes about finding it gross. Most of us find genitals, sex, bodily stuff gross outside of our own very limited sexual attraction and times of arousal.", "It really wasn't though. And I like Dave. But this special was more of the same from the last. There's next to no new material. It was pointless. Forget the whole trans thing, I thought the special was a let-down.\n\nThat's what's kind of driving me nuts about this. Everyone's taking sides on the trans thing, but can we talk about how it just kind of sucked overall?\n\nAt the end of the day I don't even blame the dude though. If Netflix offered me $20mil just for some half-assed bullshit, I'd give it to them too.", "yeah I thought it was pretty funny, I enjoyed it", "I will give you that. I watched all the Netflix specials recently and the closer is possibly the weakest. Felt forced just to get it done, which is why it is pretty funny vs hilarious, imo! ✌️", "The punchline is a misgender pitched obviously as a joke that is not poking fun at trans people at all, but rather outlining the fact that male suicide rates are enormous. White men kill themselves more than any other demographic. That’s the joke. There’s parts of sincerity in here, and there’s parts that are obviously a punchline. That punchline at no point was ever putting trans people in the firing line. When the audience laughed and when I laughed, at no point was the laugh directed towards trans people, trans culture, trans anything.", "Was it? Because it was basically an overdone Ted talk.", "so glad someone pointed out the two people in the front row XD I was watching for their reaction the entire time haha", "Except that he was reiterating Daphnes words not his. So he wasn’t postulating ideas on the premise he has a trans friend. He was just reiterating what she said to him.", "Exactly!!!", ">He self-identifies as a TERF. \n\nSource?", "So long as those opinions remain opinions, and not progress into hateful exclusionary actions with intentions to negatively affect another life (such as trying to destroy someone's career).\n\nBecause then it becomes abuse, no matter how morally 'right' you think you are. \n\nThat's the problem with morality - everyone thinks they're on the right side.", "Saying that someone's words are wrong, incorrect, and contribute to a culture that harms people might impact their reputation, and might be seen as an attempt to destroy them - but that's a legit take.\n\nWe shouldn't shy away from harsh critique if its well reasoned and honest.", " the mental gymnastics people go through trying to excuse this guy, so dishonest...", "Ummm, him. His mouth and his words... Lmfao", "It was as funny as what you are doing with these comments", "I too use the status of my minority friends as justification for my bigotry against them", "this is exactly it", "Oh no. If you want a Ted Talk go watch Hannah Gadsby. Special full of shitting on \"privileged groups\". He may not have been as funny as his last one but he was still funny.", "\"I have a black friend therefore I can't be racist.\"\n\nIs equivalent to:\n\n\"I had a transgender friend who was a beautiful person full of life and meaningful thoughts and perspectives. Here's what she said about me.\"\n\nYep, definitely equivalent.", "This is exactly what's wrong with the situation. He's currently on team TERF and explained why. He sympathizes with the experience of biological women and how they can feel like a male entering their world late in the game should be treated as equal to their lived experience. \n\nThen people like you show up and shit on everything about him because he doesn't toe the line 100%? You all need to learn to live with progressive, incremental changes, and the fact that other people's experiences are valid too. \n\nWhy should a transwoman that just came out get to claim to have the same lived as experience as a biological woman?\n\nBut he's not against changing his mind if the right information, evidence, and experiences are submitted. Yet you label anyone that doesn't toe the current line 100% as an enemy. Shades of grey, you guys need to learn it. You can't just demand everything you want all at once, and you may not ever get everything you want.", "Who gets \"canceled\"? you cant cancel Dave Chapelle or other wealthy and rich people like him. This made-up concept of canceling doesn't exist in the slightest for celebrities, the rich, politicians, or any other group that has power. It's a boogeyman people have created to try and vindicate themselves from their own opinions rhetoric and actions.", "In broad daylight, he's saying he's against trans women. There's no legit way to excuse it or interpret it kindly. That's why leading LGBQT+ advocacy groups such as GLAAD are public in their condemnation of his behavior.", "My man called himself a TERF. Individuals who hate trans people. That's like if a White person said I love black people, but you know those KKK guys got some good ideas about them negroes. His trans friend can defend him friend all she wants, but unfortunately for her, she's still wrong to defend him. His rhetoric was damaging then and his rhetoric is even worse now.", "I swear this guy is obsessed with trans people.", "What's wrong with the two people in the front row?", "He's not though. If you listen to everything he offers he is clearly for them. Somehow trans people have decided that if you're not for the treatment of them exactly like they were born female, then you're enemies. \n\nThat's not reasonable behavior. That's extremism.", "\"I had a transgender friend who was a beautiful person full of life and meaningful thoughts and perspectives. Here's what she said about me. Therefore I can't be transphobic\"\n\nYes absolutely. It's using the same line of logic in an attempt to free him from his damaging rhetoric or his actions towards trans people", "The story about Daphne was an attempt to try and absolve him of his damaging rhetoric towards Trans people. This is quite literally tokenization", "Difference is I don't give a fuck about her either. That's just a straw man bullshit comparison. Dave show was boring and preachy.", "I mean if you cut out all the reasoning and logic and reduce it to something completely different than what he said I can see the comparison. \n\nThankfully that's not what he said, he did supply extensive reasoning and other exampless. And I didn't see any damaging rhetoric or actions. Hell I haven't ever seen anyone list a single action he took. Just \"OMG he said this mean thing that was intended as a joke, but I'm too sensitive to take jokes so that must mean he as a person is evil\".\n\nCause that's what's going on here and it's disgusting. Stop trying to divide everyone.", "It's not strawman. Go look the word up. I'm telling you to compare them and it's night and day. He had a lot of funny jokes, and a lot of people thought so. At least have the self awareness to say you didn't think they were funny. \n\nHer show was just objectively like a Ted Talk. So don't get pissy when I show you how to make the comparison hold up and how you're out of step with most people.", "If you don’t like it don’t watch it but definitely don’t try to cancel or censor it. No one person or group should determine what can or cannot be said in a performing art, particularly a highly diverse one like stand up comedy where every topic is open for discussion.", "> He's currently on team TERF and explained why.\n\nYou can't really publicly declare you're part of a group then get upset when people make the completely reasonable assumption that you subscribe to that group's beliefs. \n\nI feel like he could've just explained his views without opening himself up to all the baggage connected to the \"TERF\" label. But that's of course assuming he doesn't want to be associated with all of that baggage.", "I'm critical of this show, but that bit where he said he was team terf was clearly a joke.", ">if you’re not for the treatment of them exactly like they were born female \n\nWhat does this mean exactly? Because no trans women are arguing that they should have pre-op gynecologists.", "Dave Chapelle:\n“Is this a time in America in which America can make a decision for themselves, and even though other Americans don’t understand it, they’ll support it an let this person live a happy life? If so, that’s good for America” (regarding Kaitlyn Jenner in ‘the age of spin’)\n\nDave Chapelle:\n“I asked myself: Man Dave, if you’re writing these jokes, do you have a problem with transgender people? The answer is absolutely not. The fuck you guys think I am? I don’t understand all the choices that people make, but I do understand that life is hard and that those types of choices do not disqualify you from a life with dignity and happiness and safety in it.” (In the equanimity and bird revelation special)\n\nDave Chapelle:\n“I support any bodies right to be whoever they feel like inside. I’m your ally on that.” (In deep in the heart of Texas)\n\nPretty big mental gymnastics I’m pulling hey. What a contortion. What’s your excuse?\n\nEdit: can you explain the downvote here? Is that not clear as day? I don’t get this", "You can if you expect them to think logically about it. Instead they have a breakdown when they don't get every last thing they ask for.", "They have been asking to have unilateral unfettered access to sports of their chosen gender. To be treated like they understand what it's like to be a woman. These sorts of things.", "He called himself a TERF. that's is equivalent to a white person saying they agree with the kkk but they had a balc friend so they can't be racist. \n\nUsing emotional appeals to try and reinforce a point is not using any kind of logical framework that reinforces a position. All it does is give him an amotional talking point. He can claim he loves his trans friend all he wants. Bit when he makes jokes that reinforce the narrative that they aren't real men or women or that they are the equivalent of black face it just shows he has very poor views of this marginalized group. Do I think he hated trans people? No but he absolutely is ignorant of the issues and of his speech and is actively doing more harm than good. \n\nAlso I not dividing anyone. I'm pointing out how he's flawed in his logic so that others are aware of the issues and don't repeat them. Please consider critically thinking about his jokes and how they are perceived", "Nah. Sucked ass", "> He called himself a TERF. that's is equivalent to a white person saying they agree with the kkk but they had a balc friend so they can't be racist. \n\nBullshit. Only LGBT people have decided that males who have transitioned should be treated exactly like women for literally no justifiable reason at all. It's not as if TERFs treat transwomen as sub-human, just that there are still differences. Which there are. \n\nYet you've likened it to a group of people that treat black people as sub-human. What a joke. \n\n> Using emotional appeals to try and reinforce a point is not using any kind of logical framework that reinforces a position.\n\nThat's exactly what you just did. And demeaned black people everywhere in the process. \n\n> All it does is give him an amotional talking point. He can claim he loves his trans friend all he wants.\n\nWell, she loved him so your \"I have a black friend\" shitty analogy is just that, shit. \n\n\n> Bit when he makes jokes that reinforce the narrative that they aren't real men or women or that they are the equivalent of black face it just shows he has very poor views of this marginalized group.\n\nTell me something. I cannot know what it's like to live as a black person, right?\n\nSo how can a transwoman claim to know what it's like to live as a biological woman?\n\n> Do I think he hated trans people? No but he absolutely is ignorant of the issues and of his speech and is actively doing more harm than good. \n\nI think he's got a flawed but decent analogy going here. Transpeople are upset if you don't view them as wholly their chosen gender, yet a transwoman grows up with the privilege of a man and does not experience life the same way a woman does. Yet they expect us to treat them as if they did. And if you don't, they spew the hate you just did. \n\nHow dare you liken this situation to the KKK? TERFs are not about killing transgender people. Are you really that deluded?\n\n> Also I not dividing anyone.\n\n🤣🤣🤣\n\n> I'm pointing out how he's flawed in his logic so that others are aware of the issues and don't repeat them. Please consider critically thinking about his jokes and how they are perceived\n\nI'm telling you that's what's wrong with your side: overthinking and can't take a joke. \n\nI have Tourette's syndrome, but I can take jokes about it. Doesn't mean I think the group making the joke hates me or thinks I'm sub-human.", "When you have GLAAD condemning you, you done fucked up.. Lmfao", "You keep saying that like it means something.", "Is it because you're trans?", "Dave Chapelle:\n“Is this a time in America in which America can make a decision for themselves, and even though other Americans don’t understand it, they’ll support it an let this person live a happy life? If so, that’s good for America” (regarding Kaitlyn Jenner in ‘the age of spin’)\n\nDave Chapelle:\n“I asked myself: Man Dave, if you’re writing these jokes, do you have a problem with transgender people? The answer is absolutely not. The fuck you guys think I am? I don’t understand all the choices that people make, but I do understand that life is hard and that those types of choices do not disqualify you from a life with dignity and happiness and safety in it.” (In the equanimity and bird revelation special)\n\nDave Chapelle:\n“I support any bodies right to be whoever they feel like inside. I’m your ally on that.” (In deep in the heart of Texas)", "No you're giving me an also shitty performer and acting like she has any relevancy. Her being shitty doesn't make Dave funny and the only reason to bring it up is some straw man argument you're pretending I made. Fuck her and fuck Dave too. The irony of you trying to tell me I don't know what a straw man is hahahaha", "I didn't set up a fake argument, knock it down, and then tell you were wrong. Go read anywhere there's user reviews. Most like it. End of story.", "No", "This is correct. They were not friends. He didn’t mentor her outside of that night, he did nothing for her after her death, he doesn’t get to claim her as his comic tribe", "I don’t want them jailed, I just don’t like them, don’t want to be around them, don’t want them around me, or in my spaces, or having a voice in the same spaces as me. But by all means, they should have rights. \n\nLike, dude. It’s not like it’s illegal to think those things, it’s just super not nice. That’s why people try and tell others not to say stuff like that. It hurts. And they shouldn’t have to care if you’re uncomfortable around them. They are just people trying to survive.", "You just gave the definition of the term \"self-identify.\"\n\nWhich isn't a source or example of him calling himself a \"TERF\".\n\nHowever, you did end by saying \"lmfao\" dismissively while acting like you didn't understand the question, and that's really cool, so you must be right. \n\nUpvoted.", "The concept of nuance died a while ago. \n\nPeople view asking questions to imply you aren't already on their side, which means you must be their enemy, because how do you not already know the answer and agree with them? Anyone asking for an explanation must therefore be dishonest and disingenuous.\n\nIf you explain that you understand multiple sides of an issue, for example, the struggle of trans people, as well as the resistance by many of adopting preferred pronouns, it implies that you are capable of thinking like someone who misgenders them. \n\nIf you are capable of thinking like someone who misgenders them, you are closer to being transphobic than someone who can claim they aren't even capable of understanding how anyone could be transphobic. \n\nSo the simple thing to do is just label anyone transphobic for even questioning the concept, label anyone who misgenders anyone else as transphobic, label anyone who acknowledges that trans women are biological males as transphobic, label anyone complaining about the term \"transphobic\" being overused as transphobic, label anyone who doesn't agree that the people you have labeled as transphobic, as transphobic. \n\nIf we can't just reduce everyone and their views to simple labels like this, things just get too complicated.\n\nSo nothing else someone says or does matters. \n\nSaying things like \"I don't understand you, but we are both humans, so I respect you,\" is meaningless, because saying you \"don't understand\" is equivalent to saying you disagree with how they identify, which is equivalent to misgendering, which leads to more trans suicides, meaning you are engaging in violence.\n\nTherefore, in the eyes of a lot of people, saying \"I don't understand you, but we are both humans, so I respect you,\" is violence. \n\nThat is the current state of the discourse in 2021. Hence the downvotes.", "The commissioning process at any TV network is a small group of people deciding what gets said on their platform.", "It means that he's not an ally.", "I just don't understand why some people are so thirsty, trying to claim he's an ally. When you've got the main lgbqt+ advocacy group condemning you over your behavior, that very clearly means that nope, you're no ally...", "What kind of cancellation are we talking about? Hurting their career? Supposing for a minute that you agree that a comedian's performance can actively do harm by reinforcing harmful attitudes, surely saying they shouldn't be given platforms to continue with similar performances, or at the very least saying that people shouldn't be continuing to give them money and attention, would be an entirely reasonable attitude to have. \n\nIt's mostly a moot point in this case though, as this is Cappelle's at least second special about being cancelled for the same thing. Not only is he in no danger of being cancelled, he's actively leveraging the imaginary threat for his own brand.", "I couldn’t agree more and it bums me the f*** out. I have such a love for comedy and worry as it is perhaps some of the most nuanced discourse of all. Think all that you’ve stipulated was very well articulated.", "Source? Her family speak very highly of him.", "This is what people flipped out over? Are you out of your goddamn mind, people?", "He’s not transphobic and if you think he is god bless your victim complex", "Oh no he absolutely is although it's from ignorance rather than targeted discrimination. But bigotry from ignorance is bigotry all the same. Also I'm cis so I'm not sure what your on about this whole victim complex shit.", "He's actually pointing out the irony that the trans community, who pledge to defend their own, contributed to the death of their own, Daphne. He's also calling them hypocrites for not supporting women, who have had their own struggle and are yet to have entirely won, and the fact that he is a black man in America, to which everyone knows they are far from winning. It's the oppressed oppressing the oppressed.\n\nIf you can't read between the lines of his comedy maybe you shouldn't pick up the book.", "Literally have been saying the same thing. The special was just a lame Ted talk, not a comedy special. He prolly just wants to be relevant. In fact, I bet he's jerking off to this right now", "Not even close haha", "If u don't like it, don't watch it. Simple.", "Eh, it had 2 actual laughs from me. Most of the time I just watched it.", "Wokesters smashing that down vote", "Yup and I bet most of them have not watched either the Special or the linked clip.", "That's verbatim what you did by bringing up a random performer and acting like she has any bearing on this conversation moron. I never brought her up you did as a straw man. Confusing I know. Simple little boy.", "Yeah he just pulled \"I have a black friend, so..\" card.\nLater, bro", "Well, no… if the special had just been about his friend Daphne - there probably wouldn’t have been controversy. \n\nBut the rest of the special was moderately transphobic until that point. \n\nAnd ya know, I’m of the school that any topic regarding any group can be funny in the right context. And also - that the comedian on stage is trying tell a joke. \n\nHe did have a few funny lines - but most of the special just … wasn’t. \n\nIt was interesting, but not funny. It was self aggrandizing and sloppy. He really needs an opposite writing partner, not sycophants. He kept talking about cancel culture - which is ridiculous because he’s talking into a microphone to a full room of people paying $200/ticket to hear him speak.\n\nComparing it to his older specials is just disappointing. And some comedians get better with age (Marc Maron , for example). Dave didn’t. \n\nHopefully his future specials will be better and he can learn from the feedback. Otherwise, I’m okay moving on.", "> I guess the line where cancelling someone as a collective decision somehow can feel harsher than a boycott or similar action against a larger entity.\n\nDave said during the special that he was already cancelled, and given how many times we keep talking about this special it seems pretty clear that he wasn't ever actually cancelled.\n\nIt seems more like we collectively don't want to discuss the critique so we are redefining it as \"cancelation\" and then using that definition to ignore it.", "Ayy boss, you got any of those, uh, examples?", "Like just one example. A lil sample of that Dave Chapelle’s transphobia. Just a gram. Come on man, you know I’m good for it. I’ll pay you back Tuesday", "You don’t know any of that. You just want it to be true. You can’t wish the truth into existence.", "You’re. Not your.", "It was intentional, and from the way he talks about daphne, and the way her family has responded to the special, it was a joke he and they believe daphne would have found funny. Why do I need to explain this? Do you not have any social skills?", "Except people were/are protesting outside of Netflix HQ to have this, and all other material related to Dave removed. They even smashed someone else’s sign from the one person that showed up in support of him!", "And it’s still up. In fact, 6 of his specials are currently available on Netflix.", "Totally unrelated to the topic. But words I guess.", "You just love a victim role then, apparently", "Yes. Netflix didn’t bow down to the small vocal minority of people that didn’t like the special. Very proud of them for that seeing as how that’s becoming increasingly rare. Remember how like 30 people at most were able to get James Gunn fired from guardians of the galaxy?", "Use your own brain to judge things, maybe. not other people's.", "it sucked", ">comedian's performance can actively do harm by reinforcing harmful attitudes\n\nWhat is harmful about it? He made a joke about police violence, big laugh. He made a joke about Jews, another laugh and no backlash. Why does it become harmful with lgbt? You can accept people for who they are and still make jokes about them.", "Kinda hard to ignore an entire demographic wanting to end your career off cherrypicked jokes.", "None of it was transphobic", "He never said any of those things.", "As a joke..because she was a father and called her a wonderful woman.", "An entire demographic? Didn't realize twitter is all encompassing and representative of an entire demographic.", "Nope if you actually listened he's only \"team TERF\" on the fact of trans women not being biological women. Getting tired of bringing this up.", "“I’m cis” lollll okay snowflake", "Considering it's a place of public messaging and he has said himself that he's been targeted by a specific demographic, yes that is accurate.", "Well if he says it, it must be true, no need to verify anything posted on social media.", "If you want to ignore the first few days of tweets and articles of trans people boycotting him or Netflix that's on you.", "Something something squeaky wheel..", "This means absolutely nothing", "There are definitely people who may have a more extreme reaction to perceived ignorance, but this imaginary group of people who only want destruction is just that, something you made up. So, take your concern somewhere that it makes sense, and actually helps people.", "? Yea I'm not a trans person", "He literally states he is a transphobe. That's what TERF's are. so. y'know.", "Him calling himself a transphobe is called sarcasm.\n\nHe only said he was \"team TERF\" on the specific fact of trans women not being biological women. That's not transphobic. Pay attention to context. He even made fun of TERFs for reacting to transwomen like it's blackface.", "Hey bud. Dave Chapelle is gonna be fine, he is an institution. He doesn't need your dumbass out here defending his transphobia. Imagine defending ignorance from a multi-millionaire.", "Dudes a bigot who preys on marginalized people. But he has a trans friend. Then again GLAAD condemning his behavior and urging netflix to stop enabling him, other groups and people doing the same. Bye Felicia.", "Maybe you don't know how to Google. Gtfoohwts", "Not defending transphobia because nothing was transphobic.\n\n> Imagine defending ignorance\n\nFrom redditors who ignore context", "You love not listening and spewing sensationalized words don't you?", "I do, and I'm not afraid, unlike most of the cowards who support Chappelle and his bigotry. But go ahead, because you have a trans friend.", "If you do by all means post the full quotes. The burden of proof is on you.", "ahahaha that's such an old fucking trope man, \"HEwAsBEingSarCaSTIC!\". His last number of specials have had this garbage in them. He openly admits it. what fucking more do you want? This is the same kind of material as when people acted as if being gay was a choice. It's ignorant. It's dumb. It's punching down. It's hack garbage, and I would expect more from what was once one of my favorite comedians. And it has people like you out here defending a multimillionaire institution of comedy as if he needs your help, while he spouts garbage. Homie got old, and didn't evolve, sorry you're down with that path.", "Imagine ignoring the reaction of almost the entire trans community cause \"you know better\". Clown shit.", "It's possible that maybe, juusst maybe a group of people don't pay attention to context as a whole? That they get hung up on sensitive words and don't actively listen to what he's saying?", "When that reaction is irrational yes. It's possible for a community to be wrong but spark up outrage based on sensitive words.", "If you can't listen to someone's cadence and tone to realize they're being sarcastic, you're the one being ignorant. You just want to be angry.", "nah I loved Chapelle but I've noticed this shit in his last number of specials, this is just the one where it was so blatant and obvious since he made it the focus of the whole act. Not angry at him, more disappointed that he's become this out of touch, and dragged other ignorant fans along with him.", "Wasn't the entire act but it was focused on because that community won't let it go. He's not out of touch at all. You are angry for no reason.", "I swear if people didn't continuously validate his point (the LGBTQ community is a sacred cow, not to be criticized or joked about at all) then he'd probably have dropped the topic a while ago...", "I know you didn't just completely skip the last part of the special where he tells the story of inviting Daphne to open for his show, having her in front row to ask questions during his set, and empahsizing the point that she's living a human experience\n\nWhat part of that correlates to \"I don't want to be near them, in the same spaces as them, or for them to have a voice?\" i'm asking. You did see it after all", "You're very proud of Netflix?\n\nThis is just about money for them, don't get confused. There's absolutely nothing to be proud of a corporation for lol", "“I’m not transphobic I have a trans friend” - Dave Chappelle.", "Except when people think it’s reasonable to shut down those opinions they dont like.", "You know what I don’t like? The term “transphobic”. Making fun of trans people doesn’t make one transphobic. Making fun of black people doesn’t make you racist.\n\nPeople flipping out because he’s making trans jokes was exactly the point about why he brought up Daphne. She didn’t want to be understood, just accepted and be treated like a human. And in western society that means people make jokes about you. If you want to live a normal life like everyone else, then you gotta accept that you get made fun of like everyone else.", "The Space Jews joke definitely got some backlash, it just got eclipsed by the reactions to his LGBT jokes. Though I'd say not because LGBT people are more off limits but because one's a single joke and the other a substantial portion of multiple of his specials. But that's just a side note. \n \nPersonally, I don't think any subject should be off limits for comedy. However, that does not mean anything goes as long as it's part of a comedy routine. At the very least you can find misinformation between the jokes in his special, like his misleading summary of the JK Rowling situation, or the intermittent gender essentialism some of the jokes are predicated on. But jokes themselves can be problematic too, and I'm not alone in thinking so: \n \nDuring last year's interview with Letterman, Chappelle recounted how, during the filming of the last ever Chappelle Show skit, he was made uncomfortable hearing \"the wrong laugh\" from someone on set. How at the time he was wrestling with the question of whether people were laughing at his skits satirizing racial stereotypes as intended, or if they were simply laughing at the stereotypes themselves—and that's for a subject Chappelle has a thorough and personal understanding of. \nOn the other hand, I don't think that Chappelle really has a good enough understanding of LGBT—especially transgender—people to ensure he and his audience are laughing with them instead of at them—even if he is trying to.", "LMFAO", "Bye Felicia, bye", "Mob mentality is a hell of a drug.", "You know transgender people have always existed right?", "This comment is just wrong on so many levels. It absolutely ignores the hatred for trans people that is conveyed when fans of his repeat his rhetoric at the trans community or trans people, saying \"You're not a real woman/man,\" which is a phrase used commonly with the intention of distressing them and denying them the identity that they have chosen. That is not, in any way, a sympathetic notion. They're not even saying \"I accept you as you are.\" They're saying, \"You're not who you want to be and you never will be.\"\n\nIt also ignores how he accused the whole trans community for Daphne's death. Trans people already experience so much hatred online. And he casts them collectively as callous, malicious, and completely unsympathetic to a situation that they contend with probably on a regular basis when the reality is that even if some people online harassed Daphne, it was not a whole community, we have no proof to verify the identities of individuals who may have harassed her, and she said explicitly in her suicide note that she didn't blame anybody. Like many people in the trans community, she was dealing with a lot of emotional baggage on multiple fronts. And that's not saying they're \"overly emotional\". It often comes with the territory and with gender dysphoria and trans people are at much higher risk of harassment and suicide. You wouldn't call a person with Depression \"overly emotional\", would you?", "> hateful exclusionary actions\n\nIt's hilarious that you say that about a self-proclaimed TERF and don't immediately see the irony of defending somebody belonging to a hate group with \"Exclusionary\" literally being one of the words in the name.", "Is it comforting to be able to substitute your own narrative over reality that easily?", "Wow, what an original take. \"The people boycotting a transphobic special aren't paying Netflix to watch it.\"\n\nI wonder why.", "Her friends and family have pointed out that he never attended any memorial services for her, never attended her funeral, etc. But, you know, they don't have a multi-million-dollar media platform to shout it from.\n\nHer suicide note also said that she didn't blame anybody for her death, but Chappelle is so eager to weaponize her tragedy to cast the whole trans community as villains, who are somehow collectively responsible for her death.\n\nThe die-hard fans need to face the facts. Chappelle's shown his real colors with his Netflix specials. He's a privileged piece of shit who played his disenfranchised minority card until it was fading, brittle, and fraying at the edges and now he's traded it out for a Joe-Rogan-esque \"alt-right gateway to hate and ignorance\" card.", "yep, opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.", "Are you claiming that cancel culture doesn't exist?", "> He's actually pointing out the irony that the trans community, who pledge to defend their own, contributed to the death of their own, Daphne.\n\nDo you seriously think the whole community harassed her? That none of them saw her as an ally with an influential friend who might have been able to share her perspective with Dave? Why are you referring to the whole trans community on this matter? Do you know for sure the identities of the harassers? How many of them there were?\n\nNo, you do not. You just accept Dave's narrative, clearly trying so hard to twist public perception against the trans community as a whole, which, by the way, is completely contrary to what she wrote in her suicide note. She said she didn't want to blame anybody for her death. It was more than just online harassment that led to her death. It was a multitude of other issues that many trans people have to deal with that Dave doesn't care to shed light on.", "You do realize how ignorant you're being?", "Maybe the trans community needs to get their shit together.", "Do you read past the headline on news articles before forming an opinion on the content?", "Understandably, the special sucking kind of takes second seat to openly spreading harmful rhetoric that is regularly weaponized against trans people.", "It's much more fun to decide what other people can watch, though.", "hahahahhahahaha WHAT!?\n\nholy fuck this dude is nuts\n\nedit: account created FORTY-EIGHT MINUTES ago. and he's posted on this multiple times.\n\ndefffffffinitely not a troll. fucking idiot haha\n\naww the poor wiw troll got his silly posts removed. better luck next time sureegus or whatever the fuck your name was", "Have you considered that every reaction from minorities is an \"overreaction\" in the eyes of people who hold prejudices against them?\n\nAren't white supremacists saying that protests against police brutality is an \"overreaction\"? Weren't homophobic people just saying that allowing gay people to marry was an \"overreaction\"?", ">Gtfoohwts\n\nGesundheit.", "hahaha WHAT?! dude what are you even talking about hahahahah", "> the LGBTQ community is a sacred cow, not to be criticized or joked about at all\n\nA lot of people are taking note that the only people tossing this nugget around are the tranphobes trying to set up easy strawmans to knock down, not the people making actual arguments about how his words have promoted hatred against trans people.", "The important thing is that you get to be offended.", "Yeah, fuck me. I'm \"normal\" and privileged. I have it so hard. /s\n\nAt least they have the humility to realize that and empathize with those who are less fortunate through no fault of their own.", "Imagine still trying to stir the pot by constantly bringing this up lol.\n\nNo one cares how you feel about this. At all. NOBODY GIVES A SHIIIIIIIT.\n\n54% upvoted.\n\nthis whole comment thread is pathetic, cancerous", "He's done a lot to show how truly awful portions of the trans community are.", "bahahahahaahahaha this is amazing. what the fuck are you even talking about? seriously. trans story hour/twerking class!? hahahaha silly 48 minute old account is silly.", "Well said.", "I'm jerking off to this right now.", "I'd kill to get back old upvote/downvote counter for each post in this thread.", "Not enough of his fans think so. There were literally Chappelle supporters at the Netflix walk-out with TERF signs.", "TIL advocacy groups for minority communities are \"sensationalized words\".", "Ok you're branching off into irrelevant territory. \n\nWhen their logic is grasping for something that isn't there, it's an overreaction. Anyone can be ignorant. Just like people are ignoring the entirety of what Dave said and cling onto trigger words.", "My god yall love to cherry pick. Blatantly ignoring: bigot, preys, marginalized, enabling, condemning. Saying a bunch of charged words to make the situation bigger than it really is.", "lmao Let those cunts take all the notes they want\n\nOn a side note, your comment history looks like you hunt down literally any Chappelle post in any subreddit to just start shilling your argument! ahaha", "Perhaps it's the part where he actively misgendered her post-mortem for laughs?", "Such a great comedian! One of the best ever.", "?", "Ignorance would be the one who thinks what he was doing is ok ... But he gets it now, has said he'll target a different audience...", "I'm saying that your goal was to be offended, not to discuss a topic in good faith.", "But I'm not offended. I'm not sure what you mean I'm not discussing this in good faith. If anything you're the one not doing that immediately saying that I'm offended for a discussion that unfortunately a lot of Daves fans aren't even engaging with. Like, idk if there is just some kind of cognitive dissonance here, like you guys revere this celebrity so highly that he can do no wrong and can justify anything he wants, or if ya'll just don't really care for a specific marginalized group.", "It doesn't matter if trans people don't watch it, because transphobes are already repeating all the most transphobic lines from the special at trans people to upset them. Even if a trans person doesn't watch it, the special still effects them because of the transphobes it emboldens.", "He also said 'I'm team TERF.' \n\n>Man Dave, if you’re writing these jokes, do you have a problem with transgender people? The answer is absolutely not\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik&ab_channel=AlanRizkallah\n\nIt's an amazing lack of introspection from a guy who canceled his own show for this exact reason.", "I gave you an example of another person which fits the bill as a Ted Talk. If you can't handle another example (you said you didn't even watch) then I can't help you. It's not a strawman, I'm not even claiming you were defeated. I'm saying most view his special as funny, and I found you an example of someone who is really unfunny. Since you're so hell bent on winning on some \"logical fallacy\" basis, I can see you don't really have a sense of humor so we're done here.", "You might recall the part where he misgendered his dead trans acquaintance for laughs.", "And what's the problem with that? Afraid of having to defend your stance?", "GLAAD is the official arbiter of who is and isn't an ally? Do you realize how insane that sounds? You guys going around alienating everyone that doesn't give you everything you want, no matter how ridiculous, isn't helping you. It's harming your cause. This is not how the world works.", "his jokes were transphobic\n\n\nyea and? thats the point", "Except trans people don't \"get made fun of like everyone else\". Comedians go on stage and make jokes at the expense of trans people, but they don't make jokes at the expense of cis people.", "Or...the one who doesn't look into full quotes jumping to conclusions and using \"LMFAO\" when asked for them. And no he hasn't said that.", "Most of us genuinely believe that he hasn't done anything wrong. Criticizing the militant TRA community isn't transphobia. Telling a story about that community leading to the death of a friend isn't transphobia, nor is it tokenization. The majority of the offended have obviously either not watched the special or watched it with the express intention of being offended, something that greatly annoys me. \n\nI understand that you feel genuinely stunned by people not agreeing with you, but I'd recommend that you get used to it; this silly concept that the trans community can't be criticized for behaving terribly is coming to a close. Being offended does not automatically grant you power.", "You obviously mean the community that assaulted two people within a single week over something as benign as holding a sign that states \"comedy is funny\"? Right?\n\nAnd you people wonder why normal, sane individuals call you mentally ill", "I disagree with that. You just don't see them as jokes at the expense of cis people", "It's not irrelevant. It's discrimination when you completely discredit the LGBTQ community's unique views and experiences by saying they're \"overreacting\" and being \"ignorant\" and is ot different from how white supremacists have discredited the black community for generations. So yourself a favor and look up Jane Elliot. She invented a social experiment to help students understand institutionalized discrimination. She often \"discriminates\" between eye colors, but basically uses the same textbook subjugation techniques as any sort of bigot to prove a point. They're \"hysterical\"! They're \"overreacting\"! They're \"antagonistic\"! They're \"not the majority, so they don't matter\"!", "Exactly. Just because someone isn’t advocating to relinquish trans rights doesn’t mean it’s harmless. people will use that sort of humor to validate their own hatred of trans peoples.\n\nI always get second hand cringe when ppl make this into a “free speech” discussion. Of course chapell is allowed to think that. And we’re allowed to call him out on it.", "It's not discrimination calling an irrational reaction irrational. They are in fact being ignorant by not listening to everything. That is textbook ignorance. All I keep seeing are people saying specific words and not paying attention to full quotes or even the entire set and associating jokes with hatred. Nothing should be barred from joking about. Nothing he said is equivalent to people straight up badmouthing minorities. And acting like he did is the problem. Learn to laugh at yourself.", "They're a very powerful advocacy group that since the mid eighties has been helping to fight on behalf of the LGBQT+ community. They have wide respect and there aren't any well-known LGBQT+ groups that oppose them to my knowledge. Your argument against them is pretty weak because no one is saying they speak for all. I can see how their power would intimidate you into making that kind of weak argument though.", "He said it. Lmfao some more. You have literally zero footing with your argument.", "Having an opinion is fine but what about the cases of assault against people for having a different opinion", "Read... a video? This just seems to be a clip from his special, trying to build a relatable narrative while not being very funny at all. And if it's the one where he ends up scream \"And then she killed herself!\", I've seen all too many clips of it. He used that to try and frame the entire trans community as antagonists if they weren't on his side. As if they all harassed her, which is horrifically overblown, even if there was any proof that her harassers were trans. It's a whole rabbit hole of omissions that are framed in a narrative favorable towards Chappelle, his career, and his ability to continue unapologetically spouting transphobic rhetoric.", "This is just illogical.\n\nHow can you know the content is transphobic if you haven't watched it? Don't you want to make that decision for yourself? What exactly is the part of the thing you haven't watched that offends you? \n\nI find it disappointingly ironic that ppl throw labels like transphobe and terf out so easily. That they judge people quite so quickly and can't stop and put themselves in the other person's shoes and understand a bit first.", "Again...you are the one not providing full quotes. And I doubt you will because you seem like the type who doesn't want to be proven wrong and look stupid.", "GLAAD then is not the same as GLAAD now if you're telling me that everyone that doesn't subscribe 100% to what transpeople are asking for is an enemy. What you have here is an appeal to authority.", "Boycotting people who do and say shitty things is not abusive.", ">Except that he was reiterating Daphnes words not his.\n\n\n\"My black friend said I could say the n word. I have permission.\"", "My argument is more intelligent and nuanced then yours. I'm saying that since the mid-eighties GLAAD has been a trusted advocacy voice for the LGBQT+ community. You're saying they don't deserve a place in the conversation, which is an oafish and inane argument.", "Im pretty sure LOADS of people give a shit. Thats entirely why youre even here commenting that you dont give a shit. Baffling.", "> Bullshit. Only LGBT people have decided that males who have transitioned should be treated exactly like women for literally no justifiable reason at all. It's not as if TERFs treat transwomen as sub-human, just that there are still differences. Which there are. \n\nSo this is just straight-up bullshit. Firstly, trans people should be afforded the same rights and respect that are given to us through our basic human rights within the US and frankly anywhere else that values human rights. Secondly, trans women and especially trans black women are at higher risks of violence and suicide than any other demographic because they are not treated as women. [this](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19473181/) meta-analysis of 28 studies shows that one of the biggest predictors of a trans person's mental health is how they're treated when they transition. Now I don't know if you're familiar at all with TERF's but they absolutely hate trans women, to the point where violence is called against them on social media constantly. If you just take a cursory look around the web on Twitter, Reddit, Facebook you'll find communities with the express purpose of destroying an entire demographic of people based completely on their insanely poor logic. \n\nOh and here is a small part of a much larger list of the medical consensus [This](https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/resource_trans-professional-statements_09-18-2018.pdf) [This](https://web.archive.org/web/20210329094537/https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/) [This](https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/american-psychiatric-association-statements/) [This](https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/american-psychological-association-statements/) [and This](https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/american-academy-child-and-adolescent-psychiatry-statement/)\n\nNow I also have a sneaking suspicion that your conflating gender and sex so just to be sure here are [some](https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender) [studies](https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf) [and](https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html) [articles](https://genderedinnovations.stanford.edu/terms/gender.html) that articulate the difference\n\n>That's exactly what you just did. And demeaned black people everywhere in the process. \n\nI'm not sure what you mean here, I was using Daves own argument to show why it is problematic and isn't good logic for him to ground his beliefs in \n\n> Well, she loved him so your \"I have a black friend\" shitty analogy is just that, shit. \n\nThis is just more of the same poor logic. \"Well he killed 10 people who all happened to be Mexican but his Mexican friend still loves him so he's def not racist towards Mexicans\" do you see how this is a very poor argument to justify behavior?\n\n> Tell me something. I cannot know what it's like to live as a black person, right?\n\n>So how can a transwoman claim to know what it's like to live as a biological woman?\n\nOnce transwomen transition they begin to experience certain aspects of misogyny, however, I did not nor are there many people claiming that trans women experience the same exact discrimination as women. Trans women will never be able to experience the poor child care we have in the US through biological means, but they still experience wage discrimination, labor discrimination, they still experience sexual assault, etc. [This study](http://www.pfc.org.uk/pdf/EngenderedPenalties.pdf) shows the discrimination Trans women face including the misogyny they receive for being perceived as a woman and for being trans. \n\n> I think he's got a flawed but decent analogy going here. Transpeople are upset if you don't view them as wholly their chosen gender, yet a transwoman grows up with the privilege of a man and does not experience life the same way a woman does. Yet they expect us to treat them as if they did. And if you don't, they spew the hate you just did.\n\n>How dare you liken this situation to the KKK? TERFs are not about killing transgender people. Are you really that deluded?\n\nYou're just stating your first points here again but yea, black trans women face more violence against them than any other demographic, and trans women themselves are at higher rates of attempted [suicide](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/) compared to the national averages \n\n> I have Tourette's syndrome, but I can take jokes about it. Doesn't mean I think the group making the joke hates me or thinks I'm sub-human.\n\nI don't really care what disabilities you have and it's cool that you can take jokes about your disability, most people can. The issue is when those jokes create, perpetuate, and create stereotypes used to discriminate. Its absolutely fine to make jokes about gay, black, trans, latine, white, rich, and white people. But you have to be mindful of your words and how you present them because people will use those words as justification against your existence.", ">And what's the problem with that? \n\nYou're obsessed, literally seeking out any slightly relevant post to start arguing. Chappelle is living deeeeeep in your head LMAO", "No I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that if their position is that transpeople get everything they demand or you're an enemy as you seem to be claiming, then you should not be making an appeal to authority claim. Which is all you're doing, no nuance whatsoever.", "I’ve never seen such an unfunny comedy special get so much attention. If people don’t want to continue to hear Dave Chapelle’s opinions, then stop talking about him and don’t watch his shit. It’s not worth the watch anyway.", "I'm sorry but this is not just a simple overreaction. He's telling a personal story to try and absolve himself of behavior that is problematic with a group that he is currently and in the past used as a punching bag for laughs. If you don't believe that is tokenizing a minority person then I'm not sure what you think tokenization is. \n\n> Most of us genuinely believe that he hasn't done anything wrong. Criticizing the militant TRA community isn't transphobia. Telling a story about that community leading to the death of a friend isn't transphobia, nor is it tokenization. The majority of the offended have obviously either not watched the special or watched it with the express intention of being offended, something that greatly annoys me. \n\nThis is something that you just can't prove, I've watched the special twice and it seems that the people who agree with me have also at the very least watched it once. and not only that they're able to point to specific jokes and comments he makes in the special. All I've seen in this thread and around other places is just \"lol you can't take a joke\", this is an argument that supports nothing. you don't put forth any analysis of the jokes or any attempts to explain why they aren't transphobic or harmful to the trans community. This is quite literally the opposite, you're so offended by people not finding the special funny and having issues with it, that you feel the need to express your disdain about them. Do you not see that you're employing a double standard here? or at the very least are so fragile you can make a coherent argument to at least counter what's being said? \n\n>I understand that you feel genuinely stunned by people not agreeing with you, but I'd recommend that you get used to it; this silly concept that the trans community can't be criticized for behaving terribly is coming to a close. Being offended does not automatically grant you power.\n\nI'm not sure what points you're trying to make here. Being offended doesn't give people power over anyone, these are simply critiques being made about a piece of media, have you thought about why you're so sensitive when people critique the media you enjoy? Why is it that every person who cant take criticism is some special snowflake, my god please grow up and learn to think critically for yourself and you beliefs.", "Cool sob story bro. No one said they did not. The argument here is that Dave chapelle is transphobic and he’s not.", "Yea he's great, it's so unfortunate that his jokes about transgender people were so bad though, super disappointing. Hopefully, the next one will be better though.", "Yeah. He's had a place there since the late 90s and now I'm watching him turn into an outdated boomer uncle on Facebook. It's sad.", "54% upvoted and nobody's mind has been changed. get a life.", "Finally watched this last night.\n\nAnyone that watches this and other Chappelle stand up and comes away thinking he's a bigot or was trying to cause harm fundamentally doesn't understand the purpose of the show.\n\nChappelle went after everyone. LITERALLY EVERYONE. He did this specifically because he knew he'd only catch shit for what he was gonna say about trans people. \n\nNo one is bitching about what he said about Jews. No one is bitching about what he said about black people or how many n-bombs he dropped. No one is bitching about anything he said except for what he said about trans people.\n\nAnd his entire point over the course of the special was that FOR SOME REASON it is totally not ok to make jokes about LGBTQ+ people but totally acceptable to make jokes about everyone else EVEN THOUGH the LGBT community has had more victories over the course of their struggle than most of the other marginalized groups he also joked about. \n\nThe nuance is completely lost.", "Because an opinion that isn't backed by evidence is just dogma. Dogma is bad.\n\nWatch the special so you have the context of what he said and why.", ">Read... a video?\n\nNo one here believes you are so dumb that you can't grok the (watching a video to understand its contents :: reading an article to understand its contents) analogy so why are you writing like you are?", ">lifestyles", "Or where he claimed to be on the side of TERFs?", "He gets shit for all the times he makes jokes about minorities, black people included.\n\nDon't equate you not hearing about it with it not happening.", ">They\n\nTrans people all share a singular mind?\n\n> All I keep seeing\n\nYes - put some work into understanding why people are offended by his stance, and you'll have a better chance of arguing your point without resorting to massive generalisations.", ">the community that assaulted\n\nThey all did it together? Every single member?", ">specific\n\nDoes not mean \"entire\".", "There is nothing wrong with his special. Lgbta community just proved what he said in his special", "You've so thoroughly insulated yourself from dissent that this entire conversation has gone over your head. You are what is wrong with the trans rights movement: repeating your thesis and howling about injustice is no replacement for genuine, honest engagement.\n\nI had you pegged from the first reply. Thanks for proving me right.", "He literally misgendered a trans woman post-mortem.", "Huh...cares so little you're back to keep commenting. I've never seen such indifference.", "lol it's not like it requires any effort. i just click the word \"reply\"\n\nyou're dying on the dumbest hill lol", "My point exactly. It's almost like youre just arguing with yourself lol.", "but...i'm not. someone (you) keeps sending me messages, trying to argue with me or otherwise instigate.\n\nyou are confused.\n\nand still nobody's mind has changed because of this dumb post.\n\ni'm gonna take the high road on this one and not respond to your next silly comment", "Got it. Doesn't care. Writes paragraph. Then takes \"high road\" in fantasy land. Check. You may not reply but this entire post lives.rent free in your head while you're screaming you don't care...", "I also disagree. A correct notion on opinions, but widely ambiguous and out of proportion. This is why a public figure is what it is. Dave's opinions carry vast more weight than yours or mine. Of course there aren't inherit violent intentions, but a public figures has to be aware of human error misinterpretation. Not to mention, how it can slow down any civil progression. We're such parasites, petty-fogging our way through each 30 minutes.", "Semantics", ">put some work into understanding why people are offended by his stance\n\nAs opposed to people actually making an effort to listen to him instead of cherry picking which you are now doing. And I indeed understand, that their offense is ignorance.", "That's not having an opinion. That's assault. Who assaulted Dave?", "That also goes both ways - isn't Dave \"shutting down\" his critics by your logic?", "how is he doing that? What critics?", "He met her before that night and he set up a massive trust fund for her kid. You would know this if you watched it.", "Who is the comedian who is making the same kind of jokes specifically about cis people that people make about trans people?", "Please tell me you see the irony in what you posted", "\"Silence is violence\". And i saw not a single person watching stick up for the people that were assaulted. Granted they were being troll assholes but they didnt just have their signs fucked up, they were assaulted and when one dudes sign got broken another person shouted \"he has a weapon!\" A dangerous call to violence.", "You ignored the part where after declaring himself team terf he goes on to mock terfs, makung it pretty clear he doesnt actually consider himself a terf.", "No", "So where were they?", "pretty much every joke that is not a trans joke is a cis joke, my dude", "No, those are jokes about a general audience that include both cis and trans people. Those jokes aren't being made specifically about cis people and the experience of being cis. Trans jokes, on the other hand, are specifically made about a specific marginalized group. And most often at that groups expense.", "What are you even talking about? What show did he cancel? How is a meme about adults not understanding children relevant to a discussion about gender?", "That’s fair but their move to keep it up is in favour of free speech and is a big move in defence of comedy which I do appreciate at least.", "I think he's trying to refer to Chapelle Show which he walked away due to his views of the industry", "Literally. Yes.", "You're really confused. You don't even have a basic grasp of the facts.", "Chappelle's Show, as he mentioned on Oprah, he noticed a white cast member was laughing at him and decided that his racial jokes about black people were causing more harm than good. That, combined with lack of creative control, was why he ended up quitting his own show, big news in, what was it, 2004? The point is, Chapelle made this realization when it came to black people, doubles down on it when it comes to trans people because he has a complete lack of introspection on this issue, which he already showed he was capable of with his cancellation of his own show. Hence, Skinner. \n\n>The black pixie played by Chappelle wears blackface and tries to convince blacks to act in stereotypical ways. Chappelle thought the sketch was funny, the kind of thing his friends would laugh at. But at the taping, one spectator, a white man, laughed particularly loud and long. His laughter struck Chappelle as wrong, and he wondered if the new season of his show had gone from sending up stereotypes to merely reinforcing them. \"When he laughed, it made me uncomfortable,\" says Chappelle. \"As a matter of fact, that was the last thing I shot before I told myself I gotta take f______ time out after this. Because my head almost exploded.\"\n\nhttp://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1061512-6,00.html", "Y'all are confused. Whatever Netflix does with it's products is free speech - corporations are people too.", "Chapelle and the \"All lives matter\" group would get along real well.", "You dont have friends.", "You don't even have an argument. This all started when I said that you can't treat transpeople exactly as their chosen gender and you said that makes them an enemy. So yes, I have the basic facts covered, you're deluded.", "Have you even watched Chappelle's specials? You're talking like someone who hasn't seen them. (which I can understand, they both sucked ass...) But yea, you're definitely not informed.", "Yes I saw them all. I'm done here, you're way too serious.", "Please be my guest. I always try to bring basic facts to the conversation, but I can see with you people, basic facts mean nothing.", "🤣🤣🤣 transwomen are equal to biological women is facts? 🤣🤣🤣", "I'm over here seeing dave play victim then call trans victims. The special made me laugh but he was washed up before this. I have a very insult heavy sense of humor, so I can get the jokes and his style. But I think both him and the trans \"community\" use being a victim as a strength. All bitch shit to me. But good luck and one love.", "I wish I could be paid millions of dollars to be \"canceled\". I get cancelled all the time for free. I'll be cancelled for making this post and all the Chapple bots will slap themselves on the back for shutting me up.", "Chappelle is a multi-millionaire, nobody is violating his rights, nobody is trying to destroy his career. The entire thing was dreamed up to advertise his shitty comedy special.", "I agree, right-wingers cancel and shut me down every time I have a different opinion than them. However nobody has paid me millions of dollars so nobody gives a shit.", "I don't understand where this idea that \\phobes only hate people because other people don't support their hate. If they are only \\phobic because of other people not supporting their hate then how did their hate form in the first place?", ">\tI agree, right-wingers cancel and shut me down every time I have a different opinion than them. \n\nHow do they do that?\n\n>\tHowever nobody has paid me millions of dollars so nobody gives a shit.\n\nYou sound bitter", "thats just your opinion", "lol the meaning of the word humanity here is where your bias and opinion come in", "Ah I see. I don’t think it’s fair to say there’s a lack of introspection regarding this issue from him. He has been incredibly introspective. I would like someone to point to me a single joke he has made in which the message, moral, lesson, or humour is that trans people are bad. All of his jokes are satirising bigotry. He says in a special (I can’t seem to find it atm) that if anyone takes what he says as intending to do harm to a group or warranting the mistreatment of a demographic then they shouldn’t come to his shows. \nMost politically incorrect humour (when successfully articulated) is laughing at human’s folly with the premise of social groups to articulate the point. I think Dave does that incredibly well. He articulates his internal dialogue at certain issues to reveal the stupidity in his initial apprehensions. For someone to simply state that they understand an issue when they don’t is disingenuous. He has wholly expressed time and time again that he absolutely advocates for the safety and respect of everyone. The question of gender and sex is a big philosophical one for all of us, it’s positive to have a discussion about one’s experience with it. Not once in his special did he say he didn’t believe in trans people, that he didn’t believe in their self image, that he didn’t advocate for their rights… in fact he said quite the opposite. \n\nNot once did that audience laugh because they were laughing AT trans people. I think that’s the difference between the example you gave regarding his show and regarding this special. \n\nI also accept that I have no hope in convincing you of anything because this is how the internet works lol. But Thankyou for sharing your thoughts with me regardless. Appreciate it sincerely:", "using a random arbitrary definition to justify why people need to accept whatever you arbitrarily determine as acceptable is rooted in your abritrary and subjective opinion, also totally entering schizobabble territory lol", "The fundamental difference being what most rational and well-adjusted adults call \"jokes\", you call \"phobic hatred\"", "i already got that that was your opinion", "Bigots like you aren't my primary audience. Next!", "If you have an insult heavy sense of humor then you should volunteer to be his punching bag... not that it would be funny.", "They are not jokes, Chappelle is a transphobe.", "According to right-wingers if somebody disagree with a person that means they are canceling that person, thus every time a right-winger disagrees with me they are canceling me.", "Yeah I'll call his agent and get right on that. Wtf are you even trying to say? You can't see eye to eye so you have to go so far up your own ass for a senseless come back? Cool.", ">\tAccording to right-wingers if somebody disagree with a person that means they are canceling that person, \n\nWhat right winger is that? Context please.\n\n>thus every time a right-winger disagrees with me they are canceling me.\n\nCan you provide an example and do you consider dave Chapelle a right winger?", ">I also accept that I have no hope in convincing you of anything \n\nNo, you don't because his exact words are the opposite of what you are stating. He has stated repeatedly that he is going to stop talking about LGBTQ issues until there's an understanding that they're laughing together, LGBTQ people get outraged, and he goes right back to it when he gets pissed at people on Twitter. \n\n>Not once in his special did he say he didn’t believe in trans people, that he didn’t believe in their self image, that he didn’t advocate for their rights\n\nSee my first comment. Being a TERF, literally doesn't get anymore exclusionary of trans people than that. It's an ideology advising against trans rights and denying their existence as women. I don't see how you can get anymore exclusionary than that. \n\nBeyond that, generalizing as much as he does about the trans community is just utter nonsense. The entire trans community does not 'want him dead', he says peace and love and all else before spending half an hour making fun of everything from the voices to genitals of trans people. As he himself has already acknowledged repeatedly, they're definitely not laughing together. \n\n>Not once did that audience laugh because they were laughing AT trans people\n\nRewatch it. Here is a small example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZJBM0pNjCs&ab_channel=LaughPlanet\n\nYou can see, those two women at the front are the only ones not laughing. \n\nThere's a lot more (and a lot worse) but doesn't seem like they're on youtube. \n\nIt's no more clear that what you're saying is totally wrong than when he says \"I'm done talking about it. All I ask of your community, with all humility: Will you please stop punching down on my people.\" And then a couple days later he made the same jokes on Comedy Central.", "And conveniently for Chappelle, this friend is not around to clarify what she meant. It's almost as if he picked her as his post-mortem scapegoat for that very reason 🤔", "Right-wingers get very angry when I say anything that goes against their right-wing ideology and they cancel me for it. I am not here to argue with you, I am here to tell you what happens.\n\nHere's a post where I say \"trans rights is humans rights\" and right-wingers downvoted me to cancel me and stifle my voice. Where's the outrage over this? Why is it okay for me to be canceled? [https://np.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qc8rn6/comment/hhem28t/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://np.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qc8rn6/comment/hhem28t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)\n\nThe fact that right-wingers are allowed to cancel people and I must accept it must end.", "Nope.", "oh, ok honey...", "Ok, bit hard to address all of what you’ve stipulated here. Let’s just start with that clip… \nIs it bigoted or upsetting (I’m asking this sincerely) to say that those who have converted to female genitals, don’t have quite the same organs as someone who was born with female reproductive organs? A trans woman can not menstruate nor give birth. Dave and myself wild both stipulate (as he did in the video) that that doesn’t mean they are not women. But is it unfair or bigoted in your opinion to speak on the fact that physiologically there’s some differences? \nI wouldn’t have thought that that would upset a trans person provided that they’re still being accepted as a woman. What’re your thoughts?\n\nEdit: would", ">What’re your thoughts?\n\nIt isn't the point I'm making [beyond that, he literally said I'm team TERF - by definition, people who do not believe trans women are women and are against trans rights] \n\nYou stated, at no point was the audience laughing AT trans people. They're definitely laughing at trans people in that clip. That is the point of the me posting the clip. \n\nLike I said, there's much worse, just not on youtube that I can find. But I think the zooming in at the end of the two women not laughing very clearly emphasized the point. We could argue back and forth about what's anti-trans, what's not, etc, the fact that Chappelle doesn't know the difference between gender and sex. But that's not the point. \n\nThe point is, Chappelle realized that his own jokes about the black community were reinforcing stereotypes and harming the community. He quit his own show because of it. The trans community has told him the same thing about this now, and in response to this criticism, he has doubled down at every turn. So yes, it is a complete lack of introspection and lack of empathy on an issue that he very well understands. You can argue 'jokes are jokes,' but then you're not a part of this discussion because Chappelle himself does not believe this [again, cancelling his show because a white guy laughed too hard] He said he was losing his mind over it, literal words: \"my head almost exploded\", trans people feel the same way and he doubles down. Yes, it's a complete lack of introspection and empathy. He is perfectly able to empathize with their position - he himself was in it - he's just a hypocrite about it.", "Proving my point. If I don't agree with you on everything 100% you declare I'm a bigot.", "You're a bigot because you support people who attack the LGBQT+ community. Don't make this harder than it needs to be... Smdh....", "I guess I wouldn’t agree that the critique is a reflection of the whole trans community. I also wouldn’t agree that the joke was laughing at trans people in that clip. I also wouldn’t agree that his jokes are reinforcing stereotypes. In fact I would argue that these jokes are helping to normalise and think about these experiences.", ">In fact I would argue that these jokes are helping to normalise and think about these experiences.\n\nTrans people have repeatedly stated that they're not. Pretending like Chappelle doesn't know that is a bit of a joke, he speaks about the trans community in very broad terms and the running theme is they're always mad at him. So he acknowledges it and his jokes come from a place of anger towards criticism. So you would be the only one in this conversation who believes that. \n\n> I also wouldn’t agree that the joke was laughing at trans people in that clip\n\nNo, because joke's aren't capable of laughter. The audience definitely was laughing at trans people and if you can't even acknowledge that then we're living on different planets completely.", "I suppose we must be on different planets! But that’s okay:) I respect your take as this is all subjective. I sense you have some vitriol on the topic and I don’t want to grind your gears… I just appreciate the dialogue. \nI interpreted that clip as the laughter being directed toward placing brand names on ‘pussy’. Like if he has said ‘I can’t believe that’s not pussy’ or something. We all know that there are physiological differences. He’s making a joke about that much like he jokes about all of our differences and he even to be cautious prefaced the joke with ‘that doesn’t mean I don’t think they’re women’ \n\nIdk, I hear this rhetoric about the trans community thinking x, y and z but radical voices are often the loudest. I sat down yesterday with a trans friend of mine and had a long chat about this special asking they’re opinion and their take is what’s resonating with me. They said that meaning and value may take a different form in the ears of one receiving it than the one speaking it, however, that doesn’t mean Dave is at fault. Sometimes people will interpret your intentions differently to what is wanted. That’s just life.", "He also prefaced that by saying gender is a fact, so he is pretty confused on the topic. \n\nPlease, go to a group of trans women and make that joke and see what response you get. As many people have already told Chappelle, not very funny. \n\nAnyway, this has been an ongoing issue for years. whatever point he was trying to make it has devolved into anti-cancel culture crusade. He spends most of his time ranting about it. People have told him how they feel, he has responded by doubling down on it. Whatever Chappelle's intentions were when he started, he literally ended the special, after joking about the trans community for the better part of an hour, by asking the trans community to stop attacking his people. I don't think it gets clearer than that on his framing of this issue. He is unable to make any sort of connection between how he felt almost 20 years ago now when he canceled the show and how trans people have told him they feel about his jokes in fairly large numbers.", "That’s a far critique. I hear you. By attacking ‘his people’ he is saying can you please stop attacking comedy and comedians. I personally feel as passionate about standing up for comedy as I do the trans community. It makes this a precarious thing to navigate. Comedy is so deeply important to me. The ability for us to laugh with each other is deeply important to me.", ">\tRight-wingers get very angry when I say anything that goes against their right-wing ideology and they cancel me for it. \n\nYou’ve already said but can you provide an example of them trying to cancel you?\n\n\n>I am not here to argue with you, I am here to tell you what happens.\n\nThen tell me about ine such example.\n\n>\tHere's a post where I say \"trans rights is humans rights\" and right-wingers downvoted me \n\nHow do you know they were right wingers and just not people who think you’re stupid?\n\n>to cancel me and stifle my voice. \n\nHow did they try to stifle your voice?\n\n>Where's the outrage over this? \n\nOver what? Who are you? What are you claiming was done to you?\n\n>Why is it okay for me to be canceled? \n\nHow were you canceled?\n\n>\tThe fact that right-wingers are allowed to cancel people and I must accept it must end.\n\nWhat right wingers are canceling people? Can you provide an example", "Please explain why you think people think I'm stupid for saying \"trans rights is human rights\".\n\nPlease explain why you think people downvoting me to hide my post is not canceling me. Nobody has hidden what Chapple said, yet people claim he's being cancelled. So clearly hiding what I said must mean I'm being cancelled as well, yet you're telling me it's not. You need to explain this.", ">\tPlease explain why you think people think I'm stupid for saying \"trans rights is human right\".\n\nI think you’re stupid right now since you’ve failed to provide an example of anything you’ve claimed so far.\n\n>\tPlease explain why you think people downvoting me to hide my post is not canceling me.\n\nNot agreeing with what you say isn’t the same as trying to stop you from saying it. Now if those people would have contacted mods to get you removed that would be such an example. You’re just stupid, thats all.", "If not agreeing with what I said is not cancelling me why is not agreeing with what Chapple said canceling him?\n\nCalling me stupid is canceling me. Why are you canceling me? Why are you trying to shut me up? What are you afraid of me saying? I'm not afraid of you, I will not be silenced.\n\nWhy do you think people think I'm stupid for saying \"trans right is human rights\"?", ">\tIf not agreeing with what I said is not cancelling me why is not agreeing with what Chapple said canceling me?\n\nCause they’ve protested, staged walk outs and stormed boardroom meetings at Netflix calling for his show to be removed.\n\nThats an example of canceling. \n\n>\tCalling me stupid is canceling me. \n\nIf being stupid means you’re canceled you did it to yourself.\n\n>Why are you canceling me?\n\nIm not. Im pointing out how stupid you are and you will continue to respond proving not only that you are stupid but that you’re not canceled.", "He doesn't attack them. It only seems that way because you've redefined attacking to mean disagreement.", "You said that only removing something is canceling a person. Chappelle's comedy special has not been removed. Thus by your own words Chappelle has not been canceled because his voice and show have not been removed. Thank you for finally agreeing that Chappelle is not being cancelled, even though you did it accidently.\n\nFor the future you should think about what you say first so you don't end up in situations where you accidently agree with the person you're arguing against.", "If I'm Honey then you're Poo.", ">The ability for us to laugh at each other is deeply important to me.\n\nThanks for acknowledging it's laughing at trans people. \n\nYou're the only one here who seems to believe in this comedy trumps everything wholeheartedly. Chappelle doesn't when it comes to black people, he does when it comes to trans people. It's extremely selective. \n\nAnd why? No one is doing minstrel shows anymore and I doubt many people wish they were around. Culture changes all the times. Back in the 60s oriental was a perfectly acceptable term to refer to Asian people, it fell out of favor in the 1970s for its association with orientalism and we've accepted that and moved on with our lives. There's no great virtue in saying speech is defensible from criticism by virtue of being speech.", "None of what you said just now is anything that I have claimed. You’re picking the rhetoric of someone who is traditionally non-pc and putting all of their arguments in my mouth.", ">The ability for us to laugh at each other is deeply important to me.\n\nThen what is your line if it's not what your saying? Chappelle has acknowledged it exists (just not for trans people, as he has decided). Either you have one or you don't. You seemed to indicate that you don't. If you do then I'll say again: I don't know how many trans people have told Chappelle they're hurtful. He doesn't care. That's worth criticizing Chappelle for being a shitty person and hypocrite when a white person laughing at his joke, again, \"nearly made his head explode\" (and he considered firing the guy, not sure whether he went through with it before he left). We are all free to criticize.", "He called them \"gross\" and \"confused\".. in your world that's just a friendly back slap...", "You're funnier than David Chappelle and that's not saying much ...", "The online trans community is funnier than Chappelle.", ">\tYou said that only removing something is canceling a person. \n\nThats not what i said. \n\n>Chappelle's comedy special has not been removed. Thus by your own words Chappelle has not been canceled because his voice and show have not been removed. \n\nI didn’t say he was canceled stupid. I said they tried to have his show removed.\n\n>Thank you for finally agreeing that Chappelle is not being cancelled, \n\nI never said he was stupid \n\n\n>even though you did it accidently.\n\n\nNo I didn’t. Please ensure you’re reading my comments adequately.\n\n\n>For the future you should think about what you say first so you don't end up in situations where you accidently agree with the person you're arguing against.\n\nBut I didn’t say he was canceled. This is just another example of you showing that you’re stupid.", "I'm sure you'd be welcome, assuming you behave.", "I've been looking and I can't find the exact quotes. There are scenarios where this would be a friendly joke so I need the exact quote. \n\nLike I said, the LGBT community is too serious and can't take a joke anymore.", "You said you watched the specials .. just go rewatch the Sticks and Stones special.....", "I said I watched them all, I didn't say I had them memorized. I'm not going to source your quote for you. You need to be able to explain how what he said is harmful.", "Lol you never watched them. .. too funny", "Me too 😉", "Theyre accepted over here even if they dont accept me. One of my best friends dad is trans. The only thing I wouldn't support is encouraging any child to be trans. Only time I ever had a real life problem with a trans person was at the burner parties I use to go to. I forget her name but I call everyone dude. So she expressed that she didnt like being called dude, but im like its uni sex bro. So she hated me because we didn't understand each other. The only thing I didn't appreciate was being flashed for no reason and having to see her dick. But my friends trans dad, loves guns, voted trump, and hates the trans community. So you really gotta accept yourself before the world can accept you. Have a good day hope you dont hate me now.", "I don't hate you but it's disrespectful for you to continue referring to someone as dude, after they politically all you to stop. That goes for anyone, but just trans people. Respectful behavior makes the world work better.", "Its disrespectful to assume you deserve respect without earning it from someone. I also dont care for that individual in the slightest. We were at a party high on drugs with loud music. It wasnt even like I could hear them. I literally had no idea wtf he was talking about with pro nouns. If she just said yo dude im a trans person and want to be call she and her it would be different. But I got abunch of sass and flashed. Like I went out of my way later to understand trans eventually and it wasn't easy asking questions because no one would give me straight answers. My conclusion is yall need to accept yourself and the people around you. No one has to respect you and thats life. I also dont have a community, I have family, everyone is welcomed in my zombie apocalypse group, unless you're dead weight.", "That's crazy talk. All of it pretty much.", "Yeah another person's life, feelings, and experience would be crazy to an asshole. Good luck with yourself.", "Your reality sucks, glad its not mine. See ya.", "Your fantasy isnt reality.", "I mean I think he made some good points", "Nah, I'm not even that upset, I think it's just tacky and sad. I think Dave is funny, this is just an aspect of his character, and a lot of other comedians who like to whine about cancel culture in front of thousands of people. He is absolutely out of touch, and so are you. Trans people are some of the most vulnerable in our society, there is absolutely no reason or need to take a stand against whatever he has imagined their political power is. It's simply punching down, and not even funny apart from that. Kindly bring yourself into reality where these people exist and deserve to be heard. You fucking clown (it's reddit I have to add that)", "the clowns that showed up to counter protest trans people? I have no reason to protect them from anything. There are actually important things in this world to protest, and they took the time to spend their moral coin on garbage. Kinda like you.", "What exactly would they say to defend this person? \"hey friends, I know this guy showed up to ignore our existence as humans, which leads to actual violence against our bodies, but let's protect and stand up for them\"?", "A dishonest call to actual violence should be shouted down?", ">Nah, I'm not even that upset\n\nCould've fooled me with you calling him garbage and blatantly ignoring what sarcasm is.\n\n>comedians who like to whine about cancel culture in front of thousands of people\n\nBecause comedy is in danger if you start walling off subjects to joke about.\n\n>He is absolutely out of touch\n\nSays the person who can't pay attention to context.\n\n>Trans people are some of the most vulnerable in our society\n\nAnd? So are black people, handicapped people, Jews and any minority group. That's what I'm talking about. Nothing is untouchable. You have to laugh at yourself. If you can't that's your problem.\n\n>Kindly bring yourself into reality where these people exist and deserve to be heard.\n\nI perfectly hear that they are creating their own outrage simply because they're already fighting a battle. Kindly pay attention to the entirety of what someone says.", "It's so weird to say words to someone and have them respond to their own words instead. You said your statement, I basically said \"how do you respect them to respond to such obviously shitty behavior?\" and then you just continued on your own line of thought, because you can't actually respond to what I said, because you'd have to acknowledge that you just want to push the hate of these people for...existing. So you continue with this weird take where you are defending the man's obviously shitty behavior (even attempting to make him the actual victim), instead of acknowledging the larger context of everyday violence against trans people that this whole situation resides within. You know, reality. It's weird, bud. It's real weird.", "Creating their own outrage...because they're already fighting a battle. You think that battle is somehow separate from this exact situation, where a very public figure is spreading ignorance willfully for no real good reason? Holding accountable the people who spread garbage ideas about whether trans people deserve to exist or not, is part of that. I'm not saying people can't talk about a subject, I'm saying maybe they should be spreading awareness instead of ignorance, and punching up instead of down. And maybe it should be funny, instead of hacky bullshit.", ">spreading ignorance willfully for no real good reason?\n\nThe only ignorance here is people like you not listening to what he's saying.\n\n>who spread garbage ideas about whether trans people deserve to exist or not\n\nPerfect example of him never saying this. You are creating outrage.\n\n>and punching up instead of down\n\nMan you just love parroting a sensational phrase. But again, nobody should be left out of comedy.\n\nAll you are doing like almost everyone crying about this is taking in circles with no evidence and jumping to conclusions.", "It's not a sensational phrase, it's wisdom spoken by one of the best comedians ever. I didn't say he said that, I said he spread garbage ideas about the subject, which he's been doing for years now. Consider reading a book, or having empathy, maybe just touch grass.", "\"Punching down\" is a sensational phrase, especially when it doesn't exist. You most definitely did call him garbage. \n\n>Consider reading a book, or having empathy, maybe just touch grass\n\nAgain...says the dude not listening to everything someone says jumping to conclusions. Keep talking in circles honey.", "We really gonna argue about whether there's classism or racism in America? Punching down exists whether you like to ignore it or not. Again, the best articulation comes from a father of modern comedy, who knew better than this shit, and that was 30-40 years ago. Have fun in yer little bubble sugar, but do consider growing empathy for other humans, it's way more fun I promise.", "Oh my god your comprehension is terrible. It doesn't exist in this context*. Jesus fucking christ you are horrible with communication.", "Because... he trans community holds such power in the world? That's gonna be your point here?", "Nothing is going to happen to Dave because of this, nothing ever was, that's why it's so weird for him to pretend like he's being persecuted by one of the most oppressed groups in our culture. And why it's even weirder for you to feel the need to stretch logic and reality to defend him.", ">stretch logic and reality to defend him.\n\nDude....you're the only one stretching logic. You took sarcasm as a real statement and can't pay attention to context.", "What in the actual fuck are you talking about?", "Dude, you keep ignoring the empathy part of my statements and it's telling. Chapelle has been transphobic for multiple specials, this one it just became the main focus. It's not one statement, it is a frame of mind that is articulated in mostly subtle ways, but even his choice to focus on these issues constantly is telling. He obviously has no understanding of trans people, gender vs. sex, ANY of the shit you should understand before you try to make it funny. He's a legend in many other ways, but he completely fails here, and the result is weird, old man hackery. Maybe that's yer vibe, so go on with it.", ">Chapelle has been transphobic for multiple specials\n\nNothing he has said was transphobic. You keep talking in circles when I'm proving you wrong.", "I mean I'm not expecting you to be able to perceive it, you're willfully ignorant and ignoring the voices of the actual real people who called it out because they see how this kind of language has real life effects on their and their friend's lives. Good luck growing a heart hunny.", "What kind of language? None of it is transphobic in any way. Try looking at the full quotes and then use your brain to comprehend before cherry picking words.", "Dr. Science here", "Hiding behind a ghost JK Rowling style", "Lol what’s that mean?", "The transphobic parts. You may not be able to recognize them, because you agree with them. I don't need full quotes, I watched all the specials, I understood the nuanced hate he was (now clearly knowingly) that he was giving voice and power to. But people who do recognize the reality of what's happening, which happens to be a lot of trans people, don't like it, because they know the real life consequences..through the violence that has been inflicted on them and their friends. It is more convenient for Chapelle and people like you to pretend it's not happening, rather than talking to, and more importantly listening to the actual people it affects. how's that empathic heart growth coming along big boi?", "it exists especially in this context. It IS the context. It's a rich titan of comedy, punching down at the most vulnerable group in our society. That's wild that you said that. Because of the obvious stupidity. Carry on with your reality, it seems fun as fuck, never wrong, willfully ignorant, hell yeah.", ">The transphobic parts.\n\nHoly shit you are terrible at communicating. And there's no evidence.\n\n> I don't need full quotes\n\nYes you do. If you're making claims that someone is being hateful you better have evidence. Which you don't.\n\n>I understood the nuanced hate\n\nNo you created the hate in your head. You took sarcasm as admittance. You took jokes as a serious thing.\n\n> It is more convenient for Chapelle and people like you to pretend it's not happening\n\nYou're saying a black man is pretending discrimination isn't happening? You're saying the man who was friends with a trans person, who killed herself from harassment, doesn't understand? Her family stands by him. Get that through your head.", ">Carry on with your reality\n\nSays the dude not posting full quotes to avoid being wrong", "The Netflix specials are so so. Killing Them Softly and For What It's Worth is Dave Chappelle in his prime IMHO.", "> How do they do that?\n\nEasy, they shout \"Socialism!\"", "And that in your opinion is shutting down your ability to express your opinion?", "I'm not gonna engage in degbatelording with someone who is defending a powerful celebrity versus the most vulnerable in society. It's obvious where you're entrenched in this ignorance, and it makes it harder to break out of. But it's a very easy step to say these people exist and deserve real respect and protection, there is such general ignorance and hate that centers around their mere existence that they should be given peace and acceptance. This sums some nice points up. https://www.vox.com/culture/22738500/dave-chappelle-the-closer-daphne-dorman-trans-controversy-comedy" ]	392	videos	Dave Chappelle describing his relationship with his transgender friend Daphne during his "Closer" special.
https://youtu.be/yS_c2qqA-6Y	/r/videos/comments/qm9pp5/hypernormalisation_by_adam_curtis_2016/	[ "I have watched the whole thing.", "Enlighten us my child", "The main Argument is, that our political and economic models and our overall ideology don’t match reality anymore. The only interests that count are those of financial Institutions and corporations. \n\nIn such a system politics is no longer about representing the will of the people or working towards a better future. Instead it’s only about keeping the current system stable at any cost.", "This shit will fuck you up. \n\nIt’s like it takes a few weeks to really set in. But it answers so many of my questions and wondering. And I feel so many things.\n\nI feel sad and amazed and puzzled and isolated, but most importantly I feel like this doc connected a lot of dots. Like I seen some of these things and wondered, but this connected it all." ]	4	videos	HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis [2016]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCbxYVY17Uo	/r/videos/comments/qma4m1/cult_leader_claims_he_can_change_the_weather/	[ "👽", "I can change traffic lights from Red to Green just by staring at them.", "He’s got the steepleing thing down pretty good with his fingers. That’s cult leader 101 right there.", "Thats true. Plus the 1000 yard stare." ]	4	videos	Cult leader claims he can change the weather
https://youtu.be/16hGl_prqBI	/r/videos/comments/qmb3mb/isolated_vocal_track_of_jonathan_davis_of_korn/	[ "Can confirm. YouTube is robosexing at 0.25x", "Those mmmMMMMmmMMMMMDA parts are killing me LMAO", "If you like this, you will love their song Twist.", "That song still shreds", "the hidden track version is great!", "The Kurt Cobain equivalent would be Hairspray Queen", "Yup. Guess I'm doing a Korn binge tomorrow...", "This is what my car sounds like trying to start on a particularly cold day.", "Sounds like Prince was possessed and then run over by a small sedan and now broken possessed Prince is lying on the sidewalk trying to scuttle away.", "Thank you. That made me laugh and put a big smile on my face.", "It’s like yoda’s cousin that went to rehab but still sort of has a problem", "Korn had a place and time. Like looking at mirrors facing each other; each reflection a memory of a time and place, while it makes no sense now there was a place and time for Korn.", "From which song is this? Never listened to Korn.", "Does not sound that bad. Usually singers in harder genres sound like shit out of context", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGrNDV2mKc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGrNDV2mKc)\n\nETA: This part starts at 02:38", "I'm sure someone will find this clever, try r/im14andthisisdeep", "Sounds like a badly constipated person getting a really good blow job.", "I still rock them today dude. Stop conflating your changing personal tastes with cosmic truth.", "Ah yes, the \"infamous scatting sounds\" that no one under the age of 30 has heard of.", "Infamous?? I think you mean famous! That song rocks.", "What. The. Fuck. Is. This? What are we doing here?", "Holy shit the speed change really does a number on the intended result 🤣", "\"Infamous\" implies they are bad. That song was and still is a banger, and Davis stands out as an exceptional metal vocalist for his time.", "Like, how the heck was shit like this even popular?", "I told myself this was stupid, but I tried it and my wife and I are dying.", ".5x speed is definitely funnier.", "The music video also has it right at the beginning.", "How do I watch it at 0.25x speed?", "I mean, Korn is kind of infamous. It's like bad good. Or good bad?", "Sounds like you Got the Life", "> Hairspray Queen\n\nOne of my favourite tracks off my favourite Nirvana album! Helped me figure out i might be into some weird and heavy shit.", "MMMM^MMMMMM^MMMMMMM^dam-da-a^emmaaaaaaaaa", "Limp bizkit and Korn are like corn rows of rap metal", "that's cultural appropriation of white guys with dreads.", "Click the cog symbol in the bottom right to open the settings. Playback Speed -> Normal -> 0.25.", "Yummy", "Sounds like you’re probably using fuel with a lot of ethanol. Ethanol is derived from Korn.", "Thank you!", "Scatting sounds? But this is No Nut November.", "This isn't slowed down......", "Reminds me of the public access TV cooking show of the fat kid\n\nMMMM MMM UUUGGNNN SO GOOD AND TASTY", "Try just .50 lol it’s even more off putting and hilarious", "How does the release date say anything about the demographic of this band?\n\nFor instance, I'll give you an easier example to wrap your head around.\n\n\n\"Ugh... That classical music sucks. No one under the age of 30 listens to this...\"\n\nNow. This isn't 100% factually correct, plenty of young adults and even kids listen to classical. But I'm sure a strong majority is over the age of 30.\n\nYet saying \"BuT tHAt SoNg wAS ReLeAseD in 1796...\" has no relation to the actual demographic of the music. It can't possibly be directly related... they're all dead.", "First time I saw Korn, they opened for Metallica, and they fucking bombed. The band was sloppy, the audio was a disaster, and no one knew what to make of this new weird “Kornyness”. The audience shredded them, I thought they sucked.\n\nA couple years later they are huge and I had to get past that first impression. They still aren’t my cup of tea, but man, I really admire their uniqueness and ability to just drop a fucking groove bomb that you have to head-bang along to. I saw them in some huge festival many years later and they were tight, professional, and mixed perfectly. Nothing like the first show. I give them bad-good status.", "Play it at x1.75 and it sounds like The Great Cornholio after some caffeine pills.", "0.5x is better", "amazing", "Charity.", "Actually, I have been arguing that this music is for old white dudes this whole time.\n\nI don't know where you're getting any of these allusions to childish listeners or anything like that. I have not once called their listeners childish, nor do I believe that. If anything I was saying they were balding, 33 year old white men trying to act edgy and cool.\n\nMaybe you should take a deep breath and go back and read those comments. You seem a little heated, my man." ]	49	videos	isolated vocal track of Jonathan Davis of Korn doing the infamous scatting sounds - but more importantly: play the video at 0.25x speed i am in tears laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maUayzCK1Qo	/r/videos/comments/qmbs10/paul_mccartneys_weird_af_advice_to_his_son/	[ "That poor guy probably gets asked that question 10 times a day every day", "Lol that guy is anything but poor, but I get you", "I just spit my dip out whilst dropping a deuce, in turn using the piece of tp I needed to wipe the dip drooling off my face instead…" ]	3	videos	Paul McCartney's weird AF advice to his son
https://youtu.be/S_C1IApQt0A	/r/videos/comments/qmcalj/media_having_a_similar_script_about_chips/	[ "*EvIdEnCe BiLl GaTeS wAnTs To ChIp Us!", "As hilarious and original your comment is,\n\nThere is nothing idiotic about questioning technologies and their possible implications.\n\n\nNot everyone who questions a computer chip or argues against it is the same person \n\n\nYour \"joke\" was just a way to shut down and disencourage critical thinking, which makes me wonder what your true motive is.", "This talk about chips has inspired me to go to the cupboard and open the BBQ potato chips.", "Not trying to be rude, but what is up with the guy at 0:35?\n\nGenetic deformity? Botched plastic Surgery? Burn victim?\n\nI must know.", "[ Jump to 00:35 @* \"Save Your Life\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_C1IApQt0A&t=0h0m35s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Stigmata's Exposés, Video Popularity: 68.42%, Video Length: [01:01])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_C1IApQt0A&t=0h0m30s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2j\\_BcR4XRY", "There are lots of examples of actually scripted media pieces.\n\nThis isn't one of them." ]	7	videos	Media Having A Similar Script About Chips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6aFD4yqlLc&ab_channel=KiunB	/r/videos/comments/qmcs8r/i_grew_up_in_yakutia_siberia_the_coldest_town_on/	[ "Cool video. I'm fascinated with life in the arctic. I plan to visit Northern Nunavut Canada. I have a friend up there right now. It's only -5c currently.", "Makes me wonder which I rather live in...the coldest place or the hottest place.", "Omg her videos showed up in my youtube algorithm and I couldn’t stop watching all her videos", "As someone from a country with areas that regularly surpass 45 °C, I'm gonna say it's easier to live in hot areas. High temperatures cause other problems, but nothing like what you see in the video.", "If we assume around 20 degrees is the nice normal ambient temperature we’re you neither need heating or cooling, the hottest place on earth will be around 30 degrees above that while -50 is 70 degrees below it.", "intresting", "As an Aussie, the cold looks way worse for everyday living. When it's unbearably hot at least most of us can take shelter in air conditioned homes or buildings. At least when we're not on fire because the sun lives here. Or go hang out in an air conditioned mall or something. I dunno about people in the Outback though. I suspect they just die.", "Interesting", "Thank God I wasn't born in Siberia", "My god... I can't imagine owning a car and can't even drive for half a year lol. I wonder how the infrastructure is like over there. Do they walk everywhere? Buses? Train? How do they get to school?", "Layers.", "So I worked in Iowa for a few months and it would reach -20ºC and when I was outside, the moisture of my eyes and my tears would freeze almost instantly in my cheek bones. How is it possible with -40 and -50ªC temperatures the dude just casually taking a bath without freezing to death? What am I not getting? Is their genetics just different? Or after a certain low temperature does it not make much difference, like the effects of -20ªC on your body are not too different from -40ªC?", "Can someone say something more about the permafrost she mentioned a few times in the video? I assume that melting permafrost will cause sink holes and the like, is that the problem?\n\nAlso, did I hear correctly that cars are left running for months at a time?\n\nAlso, she is cute! :)", "/r/UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG", "That was a lovely watch, thank you for your work", "Couldnt you remove the car battery to put it inside and drain the cooling/windowwashing fluid to avoid having it run idly for months on end?\nAlso really cool video", "And how do they shopping?!", "I'd really love to learn more about how their culture compares to the Canadian Inuit culture.", "Not this time. What if the simulation RNG rolls different next time?", "Right? Just throw on some Under Armor?!", "Yes. But why the fuck would you stay?", "I'd assume it's adaptation. As someone who has lived in a region with all 4 seasons, it's always too damn cold the first month and then you get used to it. Then the summer is too damn hot and you get used to it. \n\nIt still feels cold in winter, but not as cold as you felt at 13°C during Autumn. Some things feel different, but they become your norm. Wild temperature fluctuations are the worst though.", "13°C is equivalent to 55°F, which is 286K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "You can drive just fine. Just absolutely do not turn the engine off if you plan to use it again in the next few months lol", "Counterpoint: it's easier to keep a place heated than cooled, because cooling takes either electricity or very creative methods for moving air (I remember reading somewhere that the Sumerians could keep ice frozen by some method of pressure differentials creating airflow but I could have dreamed it).\n\nIt's much easier to heat something, because fuel sources are abundant, comparatively cheap, and divorced from the grid.", ">Cool video\n\nHeh", ">Can someone say something more about the permafrost she mentioned a few times in the video? I assume that melting permafrost will cause sink holes and the like, is that the problem?\n\nFrozen soil is like concrete. Who the hell wants to bother trying to dig through that? Also, if you do dig through that and build yourself a basement or something... you're gonna have a bad time when heat from your basement starts maybe thawing it up and suddenly it becomes apparent that your house is built on loose mud.\n\n>Also, did I hear correctly that cars are left running for months at a time?\n\nYeah, it's the most convenient way. I develop diesel semi trucks, and we always keep this is mind as it is common to never turn the engine off in climates where temps go below -20°C or so for long periods. It's very reasonable, considering just how difficult it can be to get a truck started in those temps. Cars, especially gasoline cars, aren't as sensitive to cold, but if its -50°C...\n\nEngines use less fuel idling than most people think. A pretty accurate rule of thumb is that the idle fuel consumption per hour is about equal to the vehicles fuel consumption per 10 km. So a tank of gas in a mid size car that uses 0.7 L/10 km would typically last for at least a week or so. It's a significant cost, but hardly unreasonable in the circumstances.", "-20°C is equivalent to -4°F, which is 253K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Really interesting. Thanks for sharing", "Apparently the Soviet soldiers would light a little fire under the engine of their truck. Battery less of an issue with a hand crank.\n\nIt's one of the fun things about some old school Soviet cars. They were designed to keep running in very cold temperatures.\n\nSo for example, the Lada Niva had a hand crank until 1998, presumably so you didn't need to worry about the battery freezing.\n\nProbably easier to just remove the battery and take it inside though.", "Just like how you can't understand how someone could live where it's so cold, they don't understand how you can live somewhere so hot. You've both adapted to your environment and feel comfortable in it.", "And in spring 13°C is T-shirt weather.", "\\>How is it possible with -40 and -50ªC temperatures the dude just casually taking a bath without freezing to death?\n\nI have been to Russia a few times and that is a local thing they do. Jumping in water in the middle of winter they think helps improve your health (bloodflow and other stuff). \n\nI have done it as well though when I jumped in the water it felt like I was hit over the head by something and I immediately jumped out. The water isn't usually below freezing (it's liquid as you can see) so its actually warmer than outside temperature. \n\nAfter jumping in the water I immediately was rugged up and given a drink. You tend not to lose heaps of heat that quickly, especially internally. I don't imagine he would stay outside after that... that would kill him.", "I'm swedish, and while our weather is hardly this brutal, I'm pretty used to cold weather. Imo once it gets below -15°C I kinda stop noticing any difference. -30°C is pretty much the same, except you end up with more funny ice growths in your facial hair from your breath and tears etc. I can only assume that -50° follows the same pattern. Just more vigilance to keeping exposed skin safe from frostbite. It extreme conditions we've always resorted to putting a layer of vaseline on our faces, which helps.\n\nYou're not gonna freeze to death in moments no matter how cold it is, at least if you're warm to start with. He could probably take that bath just fine even if it was -200°C. I routinely go out for fresh air from the sauna when it's -30°C, and I can stay out, naked and sweaty, for at least 5 minutes before it even gets uncomfortable. So let's call it 1 minute before discomfort at -50° maybe? \n\nFrostbite is a lot more likely to happen than freezing to death, but they're certainly used to keeping themselves safe from that.", "-15°C is equivalent to 5°F, which is 258K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "I'm certainly biased from living in a cold country, but I'd take extreme cold over extreme heat any day of the week. I can always put on more clothes and be fine, but once it goes above 30°C I always have to face the fact that I can't crawl out of my own skin...", "That same goes for extreme cold though. Not like they don't heat their homes lol", "They probably do just that. But a tank of gas will typically keep a car idling for at least a week, so it's not a huge deal to leave it running.", "Bruh how do you even remember this subreddit name lmao", "Yes. As a semi truck dev engineer, I find it funny that we still need to keep in mind that someone may light a fire underneath the engine block, and we include it in our requirement specifications. \"No we can't run a rubber hose there, it wouldn't tolerate... The fire.\"", "Dude got nekked and dipped into ice water in -40c ....how in the feck is his dick not a popsicle?\n\nEdit: I know the water isnt bloody well frozen, but if the air is that fucking cold (anything below -10) and you're wet, bad shit is gonna happen.", "It really all depends on the humidity. Cold still needs a way to transfer over to your body. If there is not enough water in the air, that process goes very slowly.\n\nI have been in -46C here in Alberta but the air was very dry and when you breathe in that -46C cold by dry air it does not hurt your longs.\n\n\nNow breath in very humid air at -20C and it's a completely different story.", ">Just absolutely do not turn the engine off if you plan to use it again in the next few months lol\n\nIt's not that bad, people don't keep their vehicles running for days on end lol.\n\nIn places that get this cold like here in Canada vehicles have a block heater which heats the engine oil up. \n\nA good battery also really helps but really you just have to start the vehicle every day/every other so your battery doesn't die when it's that cold out and you'll be fine.", "You should try the UK, we have four seasons called \"rain\" and one called \"humid with occasional sunshine\". Very little acclimatisation needed.", "Except for all the smog it's creating", "Nice vid- I'm wondering why she took lots of her footage from another youtube video that already covers all of this tho\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM&t=578s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM&t=578s)", "To each their own. I always prefer heat to cold. Yes with high heat you get sticky and uncomfortable. But at least your muscles are relaxed and loose. When I go into the deep cold I feel actual physical pain. Whole body tenses up, cold wind whipping the shit out of your face and snow and ice just make everything horrible. All the time it takes to get layered up just to leave the house. No thanks.", "Good point. Actually I know that the majority of the opal mining township's in the Outback live underground where it's a stable temperature all your round.\n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20191121-australias-subterranean-oasis", "Pretty sure the amount of smog they’re creating is fairly negligible compared to someplace like California.", "Fair point. I live in a temperate climate where we get all 4 seasons. But winter is far and away the worst time of year for me personally. This place is my idea of hell on Earth.", "To add to this, when going outdoors you can always layer up but if it’s burning hot you can only shed so much clothes.", "Smog is actually a major issue in this city, you can see in [this vlog](https://youtu.be/Fz4ZMLsPzqM?t=233) that it's sometimes impossible to see a few meters away because of the pollution", "Is that really smog", "That’s what I was about to say too, it’s a good possibility that it’s just a dense fog caused by the cold climate that was described in the op video.", "It is not that easy leaving hometown", "That's not smog. It's haze from the cold.", "Delivery by reindeer", "Cake has layers, everybody loves cake", "You can tell it's summer, the rain's warmer", "Honest question: why won't we be able to drive the cars in freezing temps? The cars have absolutely no problem running at -35 Celsius. \n\nI lived in Moscow and currently live in StP, where it's def. not Yakutia, but it can easily go to -27C every winter and -30 and lower occasionally. I can answer any winter-related question you have. \n\nBasically, we use winter tyres, our gas is tested for winter weather, we have special wiper fluids that are basically spirits, and the ICE themselves are very hot and will operate perfectly fine in the winter. As for colder regions - apart from fires, Webasto heaters are omnipresent (these are basically German gas stoves that warm up the car's oils and moving parts) and in colder regions, a lot of people use these insulated \"[portable garages](https://cache3.youla.io/files/images/720_720_out/5a/de/5adeebf01bee2bc03679c3c3.jpg)\" that further increase the temperature.", "You don't. You google \"reddit upvoted not because girl\" and then it shows up. Or you sub.", "It doesn't say it's actually -40c. The temperature stated in the video isn't close to the actual average temperature. I'm guessing it's closer to their record. \n\nPasted from wikipedia: Average monthly temperatures in Yakutsk range from +19.5 °C (67.1 °F) in July to −38.6 °C (−37.5 °F) in January.", "It isn't -40/-50. Pasting the quickest available information from wikipedia: \n\nAverage monthly temperatures in Yakutsk range from +19.5 °C (67.1 °F) in July to −38.6 °C (−37.5 °F) in January. \n\n\nThe video is if not factually incorrect, knowingly blurring the facts for clicks. You can see one of the clips of ice fishing taking place during spring where it is clearly above freezing, for example.", "19°C is equivalent to 67°F, which is 292K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Or just get a webasto.", "> into ice water in -40c\n\n\nWell the ice water is actually warmer than the air so it's not that bad :P", "Why would anyone stay there? Are there jobs or some other reason other than \"too poor/cold/lazy to move\". It just does not seem hospitable at all. From the video it appears to have larger buildings too, so there must be some kind of industry to support the population.", "yeah, I've always wanted to spend a winter in Alaska in some skeleton crew town. Not entirely sure why, but the Idea appeals to me.", "One could probably use such an opportunity to learn valuable things about oneself.", "The temperature claim is most likely taken from this video with millions of views: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM\n\nWhich is talking about Yakutsk. That begs the question, is she talking about Yakutsk too? Yakutia is the region, not a town.\n\n\nThe vast majority of the clips are also outright stolen from this video.\n\n\nPasted from wikipedia: Average monthly temperatures in Yakutsk range from +19.5 °C (67.1 °F) in July to −38.6 °C (−37.5 °F) in January.\n\n\nClaiming -40 to -50 as the norm is extremely misleading if not an outright lie. For living there, she sure seems more bothered with generating views than giving an accurate picture. They do have summers, and they can be quite warm. A quick search on youtube gives you several results on summers in yakutsk, here's one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5e4wVDEJvM", "19°C is equivalent to 67°F, which is 292K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "or it autofills when you type /r/", "I’d love to see that in a manual of requirements.", "Somebody give a medal to the river diving guy.", "Just fade me if it's -100 outside lol", "A -200 C bath is basically liquid nitrogen. Good luck to your dick if you’re in for longer than a quarter of a second.", "You get used to pretty quick. Right now its -5 and it feels cold, but its only november and I don't have winter gear on. In january when its -40, not only will I have acclimatized but I will be wearing a lot heavier clothing.\n\n The difference between -20c and -40c isn't so much feel as its the time you can be outside. At -20 you can be outside and you know its cold but you can be out there for a bit before you start feeling it on your nose and cheeks. At -40 within a couple minutes your face will start to get numb.", "You want to relive \"The Shining\" and \"The Thing\" in one take.", "My brain tell me this steak is tender and juicy, after all this time what I've learned? Ignorance is bliss.", "It really depends on how much time you have to be outside. I'm from Canada and it was 48C this summer, and I can tell you that hanging out in shorts and a beach top is a lot more bearable than at -40C when even after covering every piece of exposed skin my bones are cold.\n\nBut on the other hand going from -40C to a nice warm house and warm bed is amazing. When its 48C The AC can't keep up and i'm always hot 24/7", "Consider: [The Egg](http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html)", "Trick or treating was cancelled in Arviat for a few years because Polar bears were roaming the streets.", "Kinda this. Absent wind, you can only lose heat so fast, no matter how cold it is. I've experienced -70 and it's not materially different than -50 which isn't that bad at all tbh. \n\nI used to go shoveling and would often end up removing my coat and working in a t shirt or sweater in -50c. It wasn't that I was superhuman or anything just that your skin can only transport heat so fast as you're an insulator. If you're working, you reheat yourself just as quickly and don't get cold. I'd put my coat back on as soon as I stopped though.", "If the average temperature if -38.6C in January, that means it gets a lot colder. In my city the average temperature is -16C in January, however the coldest temperature in a year is typically -40 and it has gotten down to -58C with windchill. Many people include windchill, because it is extremely important in day-to-day life.", "The thing is that water can only be water above 0 degrees. That is why it’s many degrees warmer than the air. It’s getting out of the water that’s the coldest experience here.", "Take on some vampires in Barrow.", "Probably the same reason people live in Sub Saharan deserts, they are often poor and can't afford to move. This however, seems to be a mining area as per [This wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakha#Economy) and they are keeping their cars always running, so enough financial freedom there, I guess.", "Yeah. Else it won’t be water, it’ll be ice that you can skate on.", "Sakha \n \n [Economy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakha#Economy) \n \n >Industry generates slightly above 50% of the gross national product of Sakha, stemming primarily from mineral exploitation. Industrial enterprises are concentrated in the capital Yakutsk, as well as in Aldan, Mirny, Neryungri, Pokrovsk, and Udachny. The diamond, gold, and tin ore mining industries are the major focus of the economy. Uranium ore is beginning to be mined.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "You can always add layers, but you can't subtract that many layers...", "Some are indigenous and it's their home. For others, the Sakha Republic has a fuck ton of natural resources, especially metals and diamonds.", "Uh .. move maybe.", "You merely adopted the coldness, I was born in it, molded by it . . .", "\n>When its 48C The AC can't keep up and i'm always hot 24/7\n\nThis is my biggest issue with prolonged hot weather. The inability to cool down efficiently makes me lose my shit", "Thats generally true, but there are some exceptions. If you have pure enough water you can cool it to -55F before freezing. \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercooling?wprov=sfla1", "You're not wrong, that's how an average works. Sometimes it's colder, and equally sometimes, it's warmer.", "Why choose? Go to Ottawa! -35C to +35C.", "I live in alberta, and I spent a few days in Resolute, Nunavut, in February 2020. It's definitely worth a trip, it's incredible. It was far too too north to see Northern lights, and was around -50C when I was there.", "This vid keeps getting suggested to me on YT mobile and its here too.", "Haha... i live there...", "I liked the woman on the stall who said its quite warm today when it was -37!! In my town in the UK the coldest ever recorded temperature was -13.3 which was about 40 years ago.", "I think it's better to live in cold. If you were to try to go walking around in a desert in the summer time you need to bring an ungodly amount of water to not die. Just Google the Death Valley Germans. Compare that to Antarctica where explorers hike hundreds of miles by themselves (Douglas Mawson) or with dog sleds. The cold is much less harsh.", "This is honestly just a casual Winnipeg winter.", "So their coldest is equivalent to the midwest on particularly bad days and their warmest is about 30 degrees colder than the midwest on their hottest days.\n\nI grew up in Illinois and have been out in -40 F(with wind chill) weather, it sucks but it's not absolutely horrible. It just makes breathing a little hard. Would never spend a long amount of time in it, if I could avoid it.", "That entire subreddit is lying to themselves.", "I'm not sure if the average -40 temp in the winter is depressing or the fact that you get 12 hours of sunlight for the month of December.... It all sounds awful", "Definitely the hottest. Unlike +40, -40 will literally kill me.\n\n\nEdit: apparently I'm not allowed to have a problem with cold temperatures lol", "Why did you pull in fahrenheit? That is -48C for anyone wondering.", "Far too north?", "Don't shout. It's poor reddiquette to use the \\#header tag in short comments.", "рашка парашка", "Having lived and worked for years in an environment that regularly got to -40 and lower, I am going to have to strongly recommend against this. At those temperatures with even a light wind, you can get frostbite in under five minutes of exposure. \n\nWe did some crazy shit while I was up there, but I have literally never seen someone working outside at -50 in a t-shirt. People can get serious nerve damage that way.", "That's the average temperature across the month, though; fluctuations within each day and during cold snaps etc. would mean it'd often be considerably colder than that. Additionally, I don't believe the Wikipedia figures are taking wind chill into account.", "I remember being out in -55F in Wisconsin with a thin jacket on. Buses stopped running because I was on a bus stop for 3 hours until I realized this (drunk)! I also remember wiping my nose on my gloves and as soon as I pulled it away, it was already frozen.", "Its not a problem as long as its -200 air temperature. Air is a good insulator as long as its not windy. Obviously it will destroy your skin due to humidity though.", "Home is home I guess if you were born there it you'd be used to it. There is industry there but Soveits built tall buldings in even small towns so it doesn't mean the same thing it would in the US.", "Because for some Fahrenheit Is what we are brought up on.", "Real midwesterners go outside in -40 weather and say \"wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the wind\"", "I don't mean to be mean, but like... go live somewhere else. Why would you stay there? doesn't every human instinct tell you that it is bad to be somewhere you die if you go outside?", "That's true. The wind makes it WAY worse.", "it was indeed, cool", "I think I'd rather use the hand crank than have to uninstall a battery every time I'm done driving", "[Here's a photo of Aurora Australis](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Aurora_australis_20050911.jpg), but imagine it's the northern lights. If you end up going too far north you go past them and would be far within the 'circle' of the lights and wouldn't be able to see them", "I come from a warm place, and now live in a cold one. I love the heat, but if it's too hot I can't function. You start sweating 2s after you (cold) shower, walking on the street is horrible, if you don't have a good AC there is little relief. In the cold, if you can stay indoors and have good insulation, it's ok. Outside, you need the adequate clothing, but it's also manegeable (granted, i've never had -70C).", "I once took a bath in glacier melt water. After that I didnt measure water temperatures in celsius...I measure it in centimeter. That particular scenario was about 3,5 cm cold.", "She also takes footage from this documentary, the Most Dangerous Ways to School - Siberia:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/5HXXJg4vDF8?t=254\n\nCool documentary overall.", "Fuck sake that's some elitist shit...", "If the average is -38 then -40 to -50 is most definitely normal and what you have to plan around when preparing for the cold.", "It's not that cars can't operate. It's if you leave them off for a prolonged period of time, they wouldn't be able to start from the cold. Various fluids freeze or became to viscous due to the lower temperatures and prevent the car from starting. Also the car battery can die.", "Under appreciated post.", "Nature is trying to give you a hint: Move.", "> How do they get to school?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/5HXXJg4vDF8?t=399", "r/ \n\nyou filthy casual", "Technically true but in any real scenario you can’t really experience it as agitating the meta stable supercooled fluid tends to cause it to crystallize.", "I can't imagine living with this level of inconvenience wtf lmao", "Oh they were just really good costumes.", "Are electric cars effected in the same way? Or does their battery types mean it's not an issue?", "Maybe some 30 days of night too.", "Yep hate it when i put a drink into the freezer and almost forget about it but still get it in time before its frozen trying to pour it into a class and getting slushy instead.", "A place that could use a little bit of global warming..... \n\n\nHehehe", "Also [Fortitude.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egy3n-7DQAU)\n\nSeriously, if you liked The Thing, watch Fortitude. It's excellent and didn't get anywhere near the attention it deserved.", "Get a block heater and a battery heater you plug on. Didn't have any problem in -50 last winter.", "Which one will kill you faster if the power goes out? I’m thinking better to live in equatorial heat.", "You’re trying to encourage a pun thread but I’m here to tell you I’ll have Nunavut", "Doesn’t Winnipeg hit -50C on a regular basis in the winter? When that is shown in the news, I’m usually “yeah that makes sense” or when they run articles on how Manitoba is colder than Mars\n\nEdit. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/mars-and-the-north-pole-are-warmer-than-winnipeg-a-guide-to-how-damned-cold-it-is/wcm/553d9395-3e1f-45e7-ab91-d269874bf41c/amp/", "Salt water doesn't work the same as fresh water..... smh", "I actually saw ur vid come to my suggestion today morning on yt XD. Nice to meet ya!", "Harbinger Down would be right up your alley.", "Thanks for the irrelevant info. I was explaining to the guy why cars won't run at low temperatures not that I personally have a problem with it.", "Uh...my only response is FFFFFFFFFFUCK THAT", "They make antifreeze for window washing fluid also. Thats what gas stations in northern USA use near the Canadian border", "Is this an absolute scale or relative change?", "Freezes up my damn tip ups too fast", "See, climate change will be a good thing for someone. /s", "I had things to do...until I clicked that link. Very interesting.", "Most of what she says about life over there is applicable to Québec City. We wear similar attire for winter, car batteries freeze up all the same during the winter, our houses are specifically built to retain heat (which sucks during the summer 🥲), and a number of other things.\n\nIt routinely goes down to -20°C, and -40°C temperatures happen a little more often because of climate change and the gosh darned \"polar vortex\". That, and the fact that climate change also affects underwater currents like the Gulf Stream; it's driven away from the coast from time to time, and since it's heating up the coast during the winter, climate change has made our summers hotter and our winters colder. Not colder on average, but with more extreme variations that go lower. The damp air here makes it wayyy worse than in other places. I've lived in Edmonton where -50° was a thing, but dry air makes -10 or even -20° really not so bad. I spent almost all of my winters there with a rain coat lol The humidity is what makes it horrible, -20° in Québec City is easily like -30° or even -40° in Edmonton. It gets to your fucking bones.", "-40°C is equivalent to -40°F, which is 233K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Very true. But what I saw from the video it’s more like a hot spring and not near the ocean.", "No I wasn't wondering because we use F. Nice attitude though.", "There actually are commercial applications where it is used, if you read the Wiki.\n\nI also have done it inadvertently at home if I had my fridge set too cold or leave drinks in the garage in the winter.\n\nI haven't bothered to do it in a repeatable way but many people likely have experienced it without realizing it.", "From what (little) that I know of EVs, their range goes a bit down during the winter months but those are 'reasonably' cold temps, I don't know what happens in extreme cold conditions.", "Oh I’m sure there is—my comment is referring to ones ability to swim in extremely supercooled water.", "what the infrastructure is like", "To add to this, the north magnetic pole is not near the North Pole itself and this matters for auroras.", "Electric car batteries are impacted by cold too! They cannot provide the same amperage when too cold, and would likely have issues if they were too cold for extended periods of time. The cathods can crack in extreme cold leading to a reduction in their life too. That's why modern electric cars run a heating and/or cooling cycle to maintain battery Temps... So as long as the car is plugged into power it should do alright in cold. (if battery gets low it can't/won't run thermal protection systems.) the car covers are a great idea too in helping insulate the vehicles outside from wind and such. \n\nSo in short, in some conditions they'd do alright, but in many cases they'd struggle every bit as much as a normal car. My car charger for example doesn't work when it gets too damn cold.. But that only happens a couple days out of the year (like -20f or below) but i live in MN. And my vehicles a plug in hybrid so I still got an engine to rely on if the battery can't be charged or is too cold. In winter my range goes down by about 20% however. Mostly due to needing to power heaters for the interior and batteries.", "They covered some of that in the video. You can buy meats off street vendors, everything's already frozen outside.", "It has a slightly lower freezing point then fresh water, but it's not much of a difference. What other ways does it not \"work the same?\"", "I could definitely be corrected since I've never tested for myself but pretty sure Li-Ion batteries would be near non-functional in that environment", "I feel called out. It's true though! I can do almost any temperature no issue, except the wind is a big fuck you.", "Ocean water freezes at 28°F instead of 32°F. It's not that big of a difference.", "28°F is equivalent to -2°C, which is 270K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "What why", "Minnesotan here, there's regularly an ice water challenge for charity mid winter, they cut a chunk of ice out on a lake (where it's not very deep so you could stand up in the water) and you undress, jump in, swim/walk 20 feet, and climb up the other side.\n\nThere is normally tents to warm up in and dry off and get dry clothes back on too afterwards.. But so long as you got dry clothes ready you'll probably be fine.\n\n You wouldn't be doing this during the severe cold days imo. \n\nAnd yes.. Being WET and out of the water, you got a few minutes before your suffering from severe hypothermia. But a minute or so to get dry* clothes on won't kill a healthy person.\n\nHell, we have people in wetsuits surf in the middle of Winter off Lake superior because it doesn't fully freeze over.", "Because our magnetic field changes over time and the pole drifts! [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole)", "I wish I had a banana for scale but I didnt at the time.", "I‘m from the alps I use them as well but I think they don‘t go that low, do they? Here it goes down to almost -30 Celsius so I‘ve had to do 50:50 bit that only works until -40 I think", "The magnetic North Pole is moving. The earth's magnetic field is created by the flowing of the earth's molten iron core. As these flows \"slosh around\" the pole changes.", "Typical salt water freezes at 28 degrees F, so not much different than fresh water (32 F).", "I want to know how the hell they can even erect large buildings if frostbite sets in that fast", "They're accustomed to that. Also, the place probably means a lot to them.", "> -40 F(with wind chill)\n\nBut the Yakutsk numbers are without windchill. The all time record low in all of Illinois is -39 C while the average in Yakutsk (the biggest city in Yakutia, not the coldest) in January is -37 C. It's such an American thing to do to talk about temperatures with wind chill added to make the numbers bigger.", "Last winter in Missouri there were a couple days with a -20 wind-chill. Up until that point in life I'd never experienced physical pain from the cold. Being uncomfortable? Sure. But never brain freeze from just standing outside in the wind.", "You might also like this youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMqm-bCO4Ec\n\nShe lives in the northernmost town in the world and does lots of interesting videos about life there.", "You might also like this youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMqm-bCO4Ec\n\nShe lives in Longyearbyen, the northernmost town in the world, and does lots of interesting videos about life there.", "He was in a hot spring. That's why.", "Appropriate username", "That wasn’t irrelevant.", "Well I know a girl who's a pun master. Alaska to help us out.", "That first double digit day in the spring feels like beach season!", "Or live like this guy for a bit. https://youtu.be/1prRKA7ByLs", "I never wanted a show to have a sequel as much as this one. It deserves so much more.", "> I've experienced -70\n\nIn Antarctica?", "One thing is for sure, no one would ever dare to rape, mug, or harass others. Too fricking cold to even take a dump.\n\nGreat video, by the way, keep it up, folks.", "I thought season 3 ended the series pretty well. I could see a spinoff since the setting and characters are excellent, but I felt the storyline was wrapped up satisfactorily.", "It is no where near too far north to see northern lights? Nunavut is on the same latitude then northern Finland and you can see northern lights there just fine. Or do they not show on the Canadas side of the globe?", "Your friend is in iqaluit I assume! Fortunately the rest of Nunavut has been freezing for a while, but it was a scary October. Climate change is real y’all", "I’m walking to wainwright, get your coat. Oh get your mother too", "I've never understood people who live like this and that's from me being in Canada but a mild part. But I can imagine hundreds of years ago someone visiting and saying \"You know just a few days ride from there there is a nice warm place with no snow. It's warm all year round and beautiful with fish and wildlife everywhere. No need to live like this\". and then people going \"NOPE!!\"", "Cold shower?", "I have visited London a couple of times - impossible to tell what the season was from the weather, unless it was cold too.", "The bit about humidity at -40 is hysterical", "This is my go-to. If it's 35c, I'll still be hot if I'm naked and chugging ice water. \n\nCold? Just put on more clothes", "Upvote Not Because Girl But Because It Is Very Cool However I Do Concede That I Initially Clicked Because Girl", "can you explain to someone that doesn't use cars how much that would cost? If it was in Your country, how much would it cost per month", "Coming from someone that grew up in the plains of MN/ND, where we get -30 to -50 Fahrenheit in parts of the winter with devastating windchill, all I will say is..\n\nFUUUUUUUUCK That.", "That was categorized under the “what they do for fun” part of the video as well, which seemed like odd placement.", "> Doesn’t Winnipeg hit -50C on a regular basis in the winter?\n\nNo, the record low in Winniped is -48 C. So Winnipeg never hits -50 C.", "If yakutian culture is something that interests you, you might also want to check out [LifeInYakutia](https://www.youtube.com/c/LifeinYakutia). She's got some real cool videos about life up there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKCNZ28tUw", "Been wanting to check out the NWT since I was a kid. One day.", "The ring made by the Northern Lights changes diameter and width from day to day. But you can definitely be farther north than the ring at a given time, even if it's there at other times. \n\nFor forecasts of the actual ring....\n\nhttps://www.gi.alaska.edu/monitors/aurora-forecast", "Huh. \nhttps://www.aurorasaurus.org/ shows the visible range of auroras day to day. I think there is definitely an aspect of luck depending on where you are in the solar cycle. Considering I've even seen them as far south as southern ON (not to mention dozens of times in AB), I kind of just assumed it worked the same way northwards! Interesting.", "I live in west TX. It's not unusual to have a month of 100F+ days. And its worse in the states west of us (NM, [Arizona](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE), etc). The air conditioner does keep up though, because you buy an AC that is made for that crap, and you insulate your house to hold the cool in. The struggle is paying the electric bill, as most electric utilities switch to 'summer rates' which basically gouge the consumers to encourage them to use a bit less and be a little uncomfortable. \n\nIMO, hot is better. Hot is 'eww, this is uncomfortable and i'm sweaty', while Cold is 'omg, am i going to die?'.", "Well actually not true. Getting out of the water it the easiest part. It weird but happens when you bathe in ice water with air temperature under freezing. You actually feel pretty warm walking out of an ice bath. \n\nThe hardest part is taking off your clothes and jumping into the water. I can promise you that", "I got cold just watching this", "I don't understand how anyone lives anywhere that the temperature is below freezing for part of the year. I live in the Southeast US and I'm already getting sick of the 50°F days we've been having lately. My wife and I are planning to migrate closer to the equator in the next few years solely because of how much we loathe the cold. All I want is permanent 80°F+ and I'll be happy forever.\n\nJust to forestall converter bot: \n\n* 50°F —> 10°C \n* 80°F —> 27°C", "50°F is equivalent to 10°C, which is 283K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "It's not the heat, but the humidity.", "I went down the rabbit hole from this video the other day. This video where another youtuber talks about how its nice and warm is pretty eye opening (only -32°C). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziztcH4VI4A", "Complete opposite for me. Heat is completely unbearable and I need to do everything in my power to get away from it.\n\nBut in -40 get your heart pumping and it's barely noticeable. I can be outside all day as long as I'm doing things and being active.", "For reference, 100F is around 38C.", "Permafrost doesn't melt. That's why it's called permafrost.", "I've lived in a subtropical climate all my life, so I can't speak for people living in cold places. But taking away the advantage of an air con, extreme heat saps the energy from you. \n\nEven if you take off all your clothes and pour bucket after bucket of water over yourself, nothing really helps other than an air conditioner.\n\nIf you put enough warm clothes on in cold weather, at least you can go out and not be a sweaty, blind, dead mess of a person while you do it.", "Pretty sure if the ice bridge theory is correct then this is the source of Native Americans.", "Yea I feel like the comparison is not aligned. We're talking about seasonally hot weather compared to literally the coldest area in the world. I think the only true comparison is if there was an area of the world that had three straight months of 120+F.", "I think if you tried jumping into a super cooled pool of water it would immediately freeze around you and you would be stuck and soon dead.", "That's pretty funny.", "All these comments saying they'd prefer the heat to this are not taking into account that for the heat to be a proper comparison it'd need to be so much hotter than a few days of 110F. People don't even comprehend the cold in this. It's like the equivalent of 120 or 130+F for 3 months straight. \n\nPersonally I think at those temperatures? I'd prefer the cold.", "Agreed. I'm from Minnesota and we would get temps down near -50C occasionally, it's honestly not different from -30C. Like once you go below -15C everything feels the same.", "As someone who gets actual panic attacks from being exposed to cold, I don't need to wonder that much.", "And also it's not that cold all year round. Summers are actually quite nice. Lots of sun and the temperatures are comparable to central Europe.", "You're assuming your body produces enough temperature to keep you warm under those layers.", "The Park Rangers that live in Death Valley turn off their water heaters in the summer. Then, in order to shower, they use the hot water faucet because the water lines for the cold water faucet are 110+ F. The water heater tank is room temp (though that can be 90 F). There’s no reprieve in Death Valley.", "That porridge looked soooooo good.", ">And its worse in the states west of us (NM, Arizona, etc).\n\nMost of the population on NM lives in high desert and with low humidity, so since there's no atmosphere to keep the heat in, and no water vapor to hold onto heat, it just cools off quick overnight. Even the rare 100F+ day cools down quick enough in the evening to get into the mid 70's and be downright nice to walk around in. Also means no matter the heatwave, the mornings start out nice and the evenings end nice.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit: Here's a 100F day in Albuquerque, NM. 100F mid-day, but 85F at 8:30pm, 80F by 10pm and 74F by 7am the next morning. And that was a \"high\" humidity hot day, so it cooled down slower than normal.\n\nhttps://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/nm/kirtland-air-force-base/KABQ/date/2021-7-10", "Fuck you, I did the research already.", "If they design it to be quickly removed it wouldn't be too bad. Change the screws to quick disconnect type. Then pop the hood, and pop 3 latches and out goes the battery", "Or Winnipeg with the same range.", "You get used to it. Honestly the summer temps lasted until mid October here this year. Lots of days in the mid 80s in Iowa in October. During the actual summer it’s lots of 90s with high humidity levels. I was honestly looking forward to the fall transition. Now it’s here and I’m enjoying wearing my jacket and sweatshirt. I know I’ll get bored of winter come January but I kind of like having a part of the year where we chill out around the house instead of always having to do something every weekend during the warm months.", "What happens if you make sex outside?", "I find temperatures below 0 C° to be uncomfortable, so I have a hard time understanding why a person should even think of living in such cold places. 30°C is the perfect temperature!", "30°C is equivalent to 86°F, which is 303K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "I’m Swedish, so I’m used to cold winters (though nowhere near Siberian temperatures) and might not be entirely impartial, but I’ll take cold over hot any day. The past few years we’ve had unusually hot summers, and they have bothered me in a way the cold never did.\nI think it essentially comes down to what your house is equipped to handle. I live in a place where air conditioning hasn’t been necessary in the past, so few buildings have it - which means that uncomfortable heat becomes inescapable.", "Because it seems absurd or because you believe it's impossible?", "so...the desert?", "I used to like the cold better until the last few years, especially after I had kids.\n\nWhen it's hot you can go outside and, for the most part, be fine. It gets 100+ sometimes where I live and while not comfortable, it's bearable. I'll often go out and sit in the shade and read. Maybe kinda hot, but it's fine. Or I can take my son out to play as long as we're careful and in the shade. \n\nTried to do the same when it was 58 and breezy and it just wasn't the same. That's not even cold! \n\nLast winter the temps were below freezing and being trapped indoors just sucks.", "Does this scale going into the negatives? Asking for a friend.", "As a Quebecois who grew up in a small town called Cabano (north of Quebec City), I agree that there was a lot of similarities. \n\n\nHowever, I don't recall things being up to -70, and you could turn off cars during winter (I've had a couple batteries freeze too lol). I remember it used to snow so much we wouldn't be able to open the front door, and I would crawl out a window as a child to shovel a path to open the door.\n\n\nShe was talking about open air markets and the lady thought it was warm outside at -47° (5:05 in the video)... That would never happen in Quebec lol. These guys are on another level.", "I’ve lived in both really hot and really cold places. In the hot places you try to wear as light clothes as you can (around family in my case at least so it was always shorts and a loose shirt) and turn the fans on, and somehow you’ll still be uncomfortable. \nIn the cold place we just get a fire going in our furnace, If that wasn’t enough we’d turn on the oven and open it, if that wasn’t enough also add warm clothes. Eventually you’ll be comfortable.\nAll that to say I pick the cold place.", "Plus you can be generally comfortable in the heat. Maybe not always but I'd rather sit in the shade when it's 37° c than in the sun when it's 0°c.", "I’ve always wondered with temperatures around this level, does the C02 in the air precipitate as dry ice?", "Man, my battery has been a real problem these past couple of winters with the pandemic and not driving as much. Feels like I have to boost the damn car anytime I want to go anywhere, and I've already had to replace a couple of batteries.", "Isn't that pretty much all of Canada except for Vancouver/Okanagan?", "you cant live in temperatures this low — very short amount of time to get inside or die. at super hot temperatures the same applies. but it i had to choose it is much more praceful to freeze to death. \n\nlocked inside its all the same except that cold has no sunlight either which is horrible in an awful different way", "As I said, Webasto (and taking the battery with you) totally helps, among other tricks.", "the maritimes doesnt usually hit the super low temps but the snowfall makes up for it.", "No one really lives in death valley", "But she calls it \"permafrost,\" which is a bit misleading if it gets close to 70F in the summer.", "True, but the 'feels like' temperature difference is much more noticeable between 20-50ºC than it is in the freezing range. Like in Australia a few years ago I got on a domestic flight in 48 degree heat and walked off the plane into 35 degree heat, and lawd could I feel the difference. I'd have kissed the tarmac if it wasn't stuck to my feet. But I doubt anyone can tell the difference between 35 and 48 degrees below zero. Once it's cold it's just... cold.", "Please explain \"ice cold soda\" to me then?", "I think this is why northern California is so popular, it never gets above 70F. Most of the year it is sweater slight chilly weather at night.", "I live in Ottawa and the summers are getting so insanely hot and humid. This past summer got up to 42C for a few days in a row with the humidex and the humidity just sucks the life right out of you. So heavy and oppressive feeling!", ">At least when we're not on fire because the sun lives here.\n\nWhat? The entire country fucking burns every fire season.", "I'm from Labrador, Canada where it's not quite as cold as them, but -20C in the winter is a warm day (vs. -47C is a warm day for the people in the video). I didn't say what I said to insult anyone, just trying to give some perspective to the person I responded to. I always see people aggressively ask how people can live in cold climates like we're crazy for doing so and I try to make it more relatable to them.", "\"Make your battery thief friendly with these simple steps.\"", "One man’s clown is another’s polar bear.", "From a warm place and you don't know the most basic trick? You don't do cold showers in hot days, you do lukewarm, cold showers just make your body do all the things it can to preserve heat, so then you go out and immediately sweat. Source: Greek", "I'd love to hear more about designing semis", "though i wish it would rain more, you cant beat sunny days and cool nights. sleeping with my window open almost year round is something i really cherish.", "Your hood can only be opened from inside your car. Plus why would anyone steal battery when the catalyst converter is worth 20 times more and can be cut off in a few seconds", "Except Winnipeg is a far wider range than ottowa", "Pp freeze", "You should get out more often 😂", "Does it slides better?🤣", "I'm an Aussie too. In heat waves when everyone turns on their A/C at once it overloads the grid, then we end up with power outages in 48 degree heat and no one gets to enjoy the A/C. That's the reality of the future we're facing. Plus all the storms that cause blackouts during summer.\n\nI would much rather have a power outage in winter and be able to throw on warm clothes, than to be without A/C in summer.", "The last time Ottawa hit -35 it was in 1957. Winnipeg is a much better example of temperature extremes.", "I'm born and stayed in Maine, and I always say this to people who ask why I like living in a cold place. I'd rather be able to put on layers and enjoy a cozy day inside than be so hot I can't shed any more clothes without being nude haha. Heat to me is miserable. I hate sweating, I get heart palpitations if it's too hot, I get irritable...No thanks.", "In the video location? Yes, they literally keep their car running", "Yeah in Winnipeg I had to take my van battery out every night during winter, or it'd completely freeze. And this was after getting it replaced due to the same issue, so it was only a few months old. In the mornings I'd just hook it back up and be on my way.", "Fun fact, this city has a pretty killer punk scene https://daily.bandcamp.com/scene-report/yakutsk-punk-scene-list", "Anecdote: My friend is native Alaskan. He introduced himself as native Alaskan so I said “oh cool, so you’re Inuit?” And he said yeah I’m Eskimo.\n\nI don’t know if Alaskan natives refer to themselves as Inuit or if it’s a Canadian thing, but he almost exclusively refers to himself Alaskan and sprinkles in Eskimo here an there.", "San Francisco", "It's so worth getting a good one. Even reconditioned batteries can be really good, and they're like half the price of a brand new one.\n\nI've gotten a couple for like $50 that were better than new ones I've bought for $100+.", "r/LifeProTips", "> not that bad\n\nuh huh, sure", " Everybody looks somewhat Asian. \n* I wonder if the new technology clothing would be warmer than what they have. Seems really bulky with everything that they have on.", "I only have one question, why?", "Might sound weird, but I think to a certain extent the physical pain you're describing is part of what makes winter weather pleasant for some people. \"Jack Frost nipping at your nose\" is not supposed to sound like an awful time. The flush feeling your face gets, the desire to move around to loosen up and stay warm, breathing cold air into your lungs and blowing hot air into your hands - all this stuff makes me feel lively and refreshed. I find hot weather is the opposite. Feel all logy, just want to lay around, preferably with a cooler of beer.", "I agree with you. I just wanted to expand on your comment not contradict it. I live in Finland so we have winters too.", "Neat", "I thought so too but I checked out records and nothing in recent years has been much more than this range. \n\nAdd windchill though...", "Have you considered joining the rest of us in civilization?", "Yeah but lukewarm shower make me feel like I'm showering with my own sweat", "Or if, ya know, you DON'T hate yourself, just live literally anywhere else", "Hey! It’s not that terrible here, currently only -22", "Same man. Got it recommended like 2 days ago and now it's here.\n\nWp YouTube algorythm", "Clearly it's too cold to actually go out and shoot your own.", "Sure, along the coast maybe. Anywhere in the central valley/foothills is hot as fuck https://weatherspark.com/h/y/664/2021/Historical-Weather-during-2021-in-Redding-California-United-States", "It would be warmer to stay in cold water than staying outside", "Thanks, bot. Fuck the imperial system", "That fish was already dead, right?", "I got locked out of my apt in Montreal on the coldest day of the year. Was -45c, was brutal could not imagine anything colder!", "I live in a place that gets almost as cold as this place and honestly I prefer the heat, provided you have the means to escape the heat via ac. When it's super hot out I can still go outside and sit under a tree and enjoy myself. But when it's cold... you just kinda gotta go from point A to point B when going outside. When it's minus 30c out you can't just go sit under a tree and hang out. It's also harder to get around due to the snow, so if you don't drive a vehicle your life is much harder.\n\nThat's just my opinion though. It does get pretty hot here (summers can hit +40c or hotter) but not near so hot and humid as other places.", "Calgary has entered the chat", "Well... that's one reason to change the climate.", "The music is too loud and drowns out the dialogue.", "wow", "https://phillipsandtemro.com/solutions/fuel-fluid-heating/", "Holy crap, was not expecting that giant fish in the ice fishing scene!", "That's kinda my point here. We all say we'd prefer the heat. But that's not really true. Because people are living in the coldest areas of the world but no one really lives in the hottest areas of the world.", "Yea, if there's wind, all bets are off. As you said, even a little wind will rapidly cool you off. Fortunately, at those temperatures the climatic effects that drive wind, just don't work in a lot of places. \n\n\nI guess it's a misnomer to say just a t-shirt. Usually I'd go out in a two-piece snowsuit and end up removing the jacket after working for a bit, so my chest was mostly covered by the bib on the snowsuit, and I'd never remove my touque in that weather. \n\n\nSo long as you keep working, you generate a lot of heat and your body will only conduct it away so quickly. You don't sweat at all at those temperatures and it's almost painfully dry, so you don't lose heat to evaporation/sublimation. It's one of those things that you can do in -50 and probably can't do at -30. The physics of deep cold are kinda odd. Unless I was doing strenuous labour, I'd be bundled up like anyone else. \n\n\nThat said, I can't hold a candle to the Inuit guys. -50 and they'd walk around in a nylon jacket and a ball cap. Dudes had antifreeze in their veins.", "Well dang I guess whip out the shorts lol", "SF weather sucks. You go to the beach, even in the summer, and it's always cold. You can't go out at night without freezing your ass off. About the only time it feels good, IMO, is if you're biking or running.", "You must live in Houston Texas, the armpit of America", "Question: \"Why don't you move?\" /s", "> When it's unbearably hot at least most of us can take shelter in air conditioned homes or buildings\n\nIn my experience it's not that common to have AC in Queensland still, and is pretty much still upper income rentals etc.", "As much as refilling a tank once a week. So like about 200$ CAD per month.", "Chris Eccleston and Stanley Tucci? Sold.", ">When its 48C The AC can't keep up\n\nThat's just because you've got crappy AC that was never designed to operate in 48C.", ">most people\n\nKey point there. Some people are built different.", "I'd say maybe it depends on proximity to water/shade in the heat for me-- I lived for awhile in western australia with no air con. It would get up around 115f. Indoors became unbearable and was often hotter. I just got used to being perpetually sweaty/sticky, but I also adjusted my lifestyle to be largely outdoors in hopes of catching a breeze. \n\nOn miserable days, I'd go to the beach if I had time, and cycle between swimming and resting to keep my temperature down. If I didn't have time to get to the beach, I'd go to the park and lay on a hill under a tree and read, to catch a breeze. There's little tricks like dampening a sarong and resting it over you to keep the sun off, and when the breeze hits it, the damp fabric feels really cold, etc.\n\nI think I liked the lifestyle of that better than having to be huddled indoors all the time, I tend to get depressed that way. But that said? If I were in the desert and not near water, hell no, lol.\n\nAlso fun fact-- When I left and returned to a hot city where air con was standard, I kept walking around saying \"my skin feels minty!\" because I was so used to being sweaty/sticky, lol. Being clean and cool felt REAL strange.", "I live in Winnipeg. The thing is that its windy af, so we always take the windchill into consideration. We sometimes hit -50 with the windchill.\n\nThe wind is no joke. Like I would prefer it be -30 with no wind, rather than -20 but -30 with the windchill. I've been hit in the face with -50 wind so hard I literally puked lol.", "I'm keeping my ass inside until March. The cold fucking hurts.", ">I can always put on more clothes and be fine\n\nIt feels so constricting though. That freedom of wearing shorts/tshirt/flipflops is heavenly.", "Most people find saunas enjoyable for 15 minutes, and the sauna is plastered with warnings to not stay in any longer.\n\nIf your find winter unenjoyable, you have the wrong gear. Simple as that. Layer up.", "Neither would be particularly pleasant, but I’d have to choose the hottest place. I really don’t do cold weather at all and if I was somewhere as cold as this video for too long, I would literally want to die.", "My company sells product to electricians up there and this year we send some stuff up on a boat to Grise Fjord which is on the same chunk of land as Alert. I think it’s further North than Vancouver is west from Montreal. Canada is enormous.", "or your moms basement", "Don't bully the bots :(", "have you heard of summer?", "Me living Phoenix wearing a hoodie when it’s 70 degrees outside. I wonder what their summer weather is like", "You're not going outside at -71 lol", "No, not really. I've lived in both.\n\nThe wind is what makes it worse. Fuck this flat province.", "Wow, that's a lot. Especially for a town in russia.", "Enjoy actual sweat then I guess.", ">because fuel sources are abundant, comparatively cheap, and divorced from the grid.\n\nWhat magical land is this? The nice thing about AC is you are usually trying to solve a smaller temperature change to get to comfortable than typical heating needs. Also hot days usually have lots of sun for solar.", "Death valley is called what it is for a reason after all", "It snaps off.", "My fingers, toes, and face are always freezing no matter how many layers I have on though. :( I'm from a cold place but I moved to a warm one and don't at all regret it.\n\nThat being said...in either of these places, heating or cooling is a must. But I find that I always seem to have better air conditioning than I do heating. Even with the heat blasting, when it was winter up north I could never get warm enough. I think I have tended to live in places with old windows or something.\n\nNot to mention in warm climates...early mornings and late afternoons/nights are when it's most comfortable to go out. And that's when I'm home from work or commuting so it works great for going out.\n\nNote I understand why people don't like the heat if they have a physical outdoor job during the day.", "I would trade that for 90F summers and 20F winters. I am not much of a beach person I guess.", "What about that was irrelevant?", "Gotta love the \"activities\"....lol...", "You have probably heard this podcast?\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJxuwS_5cI", "That's two valleys east on the other side of the state lol", "I believe that any temperature above 50°C is actually quite hard to handle for the body?", "50°C is equivalent to 122°F, which is 323K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Wow, I never knew there was a place like this", "and frankly if we built better into the ground, we would not have nearly the energy usage.", "The people in the video live in -70C. How is that for the body? haha", "Calgary keeps it exciting by hitting that full spectrum in both summer and winter.", "That's the bay area. In the valley and foothills it will get over 100°F in the summer. I'm up in the mountains and it gets almost that hot, but we also get snow.", "that water is probably from a hot spring and ANYTHiNG but pure", "They just leave they're cars running al winter? That seems problematic.", "people talk up this narrative a lot but there are more or less 2 week patterns that drive the weather. will be warm and 70 for awhile then 55-60 and foggy. It's pretty great in my opinion.\n\nDon't think of seasons as seasons, you go out to the beach, etc, when it happens to be nice.", "Winnipeg's summers are much cooler than Ottawa's without the humidity.", "> -40°C temperatures happen a little more often\n\nAll time record for Québec City is −36.7 C, what are you on about?", "-40°C is equivalent to -40°F, which is 233K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "I feel like I'm trying to select a location to crash land in rimworld.", "With such temperatures you need to get inside the fridge for some warmth.", "No I'll enjoy a cold shower then making sure I don't expose myself to the heat afterward\n\nI don't live in a super hot place, so usually those extreme measures to not overheat (like drinking warm water) are overkill, and frankly just make things worse as it make me even less comfortable.\n\nI just stay out of the heat as much as possible and tank it when I really need to", "> So I worked in Iowa for a few months and it would reach -20ºC and when I was outside, the moisture of my eyes and my tears would freeze almost instantly in my cheek bones.\n\nWhat ... I'm from Finland and that didn't even happen at -30.", "You want to trade places for a week? You come down to Orlando where I have the AC on 75 degrees Fahrenheit and I can go down there and die before I get off the plane.", "Sad to say, they're not major characters. Practically walk-on roles for the publicity. Richard Dormer is a main character however, and his performance is worth the price of admission alone. Dennis Quaid is also great, though he doesn't show up until season 2.\n\nHonestly, the whole cast is great. Most of the actors are Scandinavian and you've probably never heard of them, but everybody hits it out of the park in this series.", "That is generally the case here in Seattle too although it was well over 100 degrees for three days this year.", "Hottest place > Coldest place > most humid place", "this is nuts. so you have to constantly pour gas into the car lol.", "I live in Santa Cruz and the only time I go to the beach is to surf with a wetsuit on. Even the nice 80F days always seem to have a cold chill in the air by the ocean so sunbathing at the beach is rarely appealing. But that's just me, I like it warm.", "And the first single digit day of Fall makes you feel like you're in OP's YouTube video.", "I only compare using windchill since it's extremely relevant to perceived temperature, which is what we're really comparing.", "i worked in AK for a while and have friends in fairbanks. one year they peed outside all winter long in one spot, building a \"pee castle\"- since it was so cold they could do this (freeze immediately). not so funny or great in the summer though when it melted.", "Fair point", "Is this a quote from the movie, or have you done the walk to Wainwright? I've done Utqiagvik to Atqasuk when I was living in there, and I would still like to do Utqiagvik to Wainwright.", "Why what?", "More crimes are committed in warmer climates than colder ones.", "Come to Seattle 😉", "i'm still wearing shorts and t-shirt w/ sandals.", "/r/FreezingFuckingCold", "From Toronto originally. Have lived in Florida, California, and Nevada. People often ask me if I preferred the heat or the cold. My response is always the same; if i'm cold I can put more layers on. If i'm hot, I can't take more skin off.", "I doubt she'll help us, but Yukon ask her.", "SF weather depends on what part of the city you’re in. It can be 50 and foggy in the Sunset, but 70 and sunny in the Mission. Ocean Beach and Baker Beach are in the Outer Sunset and Presidio respectively so they are not in the sunniest parts of the city, but you can still enjoy a sunny day at Dolores.", "Well she is delightful and I would like to visit her town. What a nice video.", "Could be in socal. I miss the rain so much i always go for a drive if it rains a bit.", "Wow, dry ice is only slightly colder at -78.5C", "Any place very close to either coast or the great lakes doesn't get too cold too often. Outside of that, yeah.", "Juneau her?", "Got it. Yeah I was just riffing off the funny title in there", "What's your source on that?", "Just pondering, and forgive my ignorance, but with global warming being an increasing concern, how would it affect Siberia long term?", "Someone should tell these people about engine warmers.", "Yeah. -30C isn’t fun but totally manageable, -71C is another story, and I can’t in any way think it would be fun. Your fingers start to hurt a lot long before reaching those types of temperatures.", "I love the style. It seems so honest and free of all the Youtuber bullshit. I wish all Youtube stuff was like this.", "Sometimes I go on Google earth and go through the northern most points of Canada. Really fascinating little towns with one store and signs in Inuit languages.", "Uhhh hot weather is much much more manageable. You're literally comparing slight discomfort and possible heat stroke over an hour or two, to permanent damage in 30 seconds to a minute from wind chill. I've been in -64 and it's basically 10 to 20 second sprints outside from building to building, bundled to the point you can hardly move or see. You get literal brain freeze from the wind hitting your face and eyes. I've had a coworker lose half their nose and not even notice until we went inside to warm up. If you're a little hot in your house, fill a tub and get in. If you don't have heat in your house in -70? well you've got probably 2 or 3 hours before your pipes freeze and your house is destroyed.", "I'm surprised geothermal isn't used. How deep is the permafrost layer?", "I agree, im from an area that gets around to 0f in the winter and theres something intoxicating about inhaling super cool clean air", "He seems to think this is a private conversation between you and him when in reality you posted information for everyone else on the thread.", "Well you were proven wrong.", "You are so brave!", "I wear a hoodie when taking my kids to school in the morning. Afternoon I get warm and change into gym shorts, T-shirt and flip flops", "I'd just move", "My grandmother always said, \"you can always get warm when cold.\" She was born in 1902 and lived in Connecticut then Florida then Boston.", "That's not Northern California", "“How do we shopping?” /r/Engrish", "Very bad shit. That dude is a goner for sure…", "Toronto regularly has that temperature range though. Well actually our summers have been getting up to 40 in the past few years.", "And mountainous NorCal is like 100 °F in the summer and 25 °F in the winter", "I land California is not like that. People need to stop repeating this. California doesn’t have “omg perfect weather”\n\nThat’s only at the coast, where it’s expensive as fuck to live. People already know California is expensive as is but now imagine the coastal line…. Worse and congested.", "This is actually sorta easy to figure out. Times the engine displacement (I’ll use my car for example, it is a 2.4 liter engine) by 0.6 and that’s how much it uses at idle. \n\n2.4 x 0.6 = 1.44 liters used per hour while idle. My car has just over 70 liter capacity for fuel so it can idle for about 48 hours on a full tank. Not too bad", "Well that wasn’t me but thank you", "Because 100% humidity at -40C is the same water content as 1% humidity at 30C. Does it really matter?", "I’ve always wanted to work at an Antarctic research facility. I like the idea of an isolated community that can survive on its own for at least a few months at a time, obviously they depend on supplies from outside but can go for a while with what they have stocked up. But I also have always wanted to do something that uses what I’m good at and helps serve a greater purpose that not everyone is willing to do. I’d love to get an IT job down there for a few years.\n\nThat or maybe I’ll live long enough to be able to work IT somewhere in space. I’m sure my children will have opportunities to work off planet if they are talented enough.\n\nSorry for the rambling. Living in an extreme environment does seem fun for at least a while, I agree with you.", "Not according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto#Climate\n\nToronto has:\n\n* an average daily low of -6.7 in the coldest month\n\n* a record low of -32.8\n\n* a record low (with wind chill) of -37", "Do an AMA!", "lol can you imagine idling your car for months?", "C•", "I’m surprised people here look more East Asian than “typical” Russian. Guess I shouldn’t be, but when I think of Russia I don’t think of East Asian people", "Also. Putting a damp towel in the freezer before the shower and taking it out after the shower to cool down works well for summer heat.\n\nI'm from a cold place that has 35c Summer and no AC.. so I know the lukewarm trick but thought I'd provide another trick. Like the frozen towel.", "Jesus Christ. As a southerner I feel like I would die immediately upon stepping outside in those conditions", "“From October to April they leave the engine running.” WHAT? That can’t be economical.", "I'm from Canada and I totally agree. I have trouble when it's really hot in the summer, and generally manage the cold better. However, that starts to break down when it's dummy cold. Coldest I've experienced is about -45c, and that kind of cold is just too much. At that point I'd rather deal with the heat. I can't even imagine what -70c is like. Simple things just get too damn difficult.", "I used to feel exactly the same way and then it turned out that heat wasn't the problem, humidity was. I then left the northeast and now live in a very dry area with hot summers (but not insanely hot, just around 90 most days) and cool but not cold winters (highs in the 40s, occasional freak cold where it doesn't get above 0 for a few days but that's rare).\n\nIt's infinitely more enjoyable. I used to think 80 was way too hot and uncomfortable, but it was 80 with high humidity. On the other hand, 90-95 with 5% humidity is VERY comfortable.", "Video is about the coldest _town_ on Earth, not the coldest area. Show me a market near any of our poles.", "“Let me show you my sauna!” [opens fridge door]", "And now we're going live with asian reporter Trisha Takanawa", "You are the eggman, he is the walrus", "I think statements like these aren't considering that these areas aren't just below freezing, they are extremely below freezing. In general I'd prefer living in a cold place than hot, but not to the extent you see talked about in the video. I think there's a lot more inconvenience/toughness living in those kind of conditions than say Colorado.\n\nI would say if it was between Atlanta or even Florida to the place in the video, I'd be miserable but I'd pick Atlanta or Florida. I'm not even sure I coudl really survive in the place the video talks about (especially if I'm in a small town and have to go outside to use the restroom).\n\n \nThat being said, I love where I live, the Pacific Northwest. Doesn't get that cold, doesn't get that hot (only recently are you seeing a trend for air conditioning even cause it used to be you didn't even need it cause it would at least cool down at night).", "What a fantastic video - thanks for sharing.", "Missouri gets shit on a lot for various reasons, and the weather is justifiably one of them. We get days in the summer at 105 degrees and days in the winter with the aforementioned -20 wind-chills...But the rural landscape with the rolling green hills full of hay bales and little farmhouses is downright idyllic sometimes and I find its beauty to be deeply satisfying.", "Sorry, the similar avatars are really throwing me off.", "To go from -30 to +15 in 24 hours with that sweet Chinook wind is indeed something special.", "The hottest place would be pretty easy to live in as long as you have money and air-conditioning.", "80 degrees year round? There's a reason why Los Angeles metroplex has a population of almost 20 million people.", "Catalyzer's in russian car - LOL - that is funny!\n\nBatteries are quite heavy. I would not like to carry out every time i park my car..\n\nWe have only -30C normally in winter and Max -40C couple of times in decade and of is fine to use your car. Just have the battery on good charge and user pre heater for couple of hours (of course some other things have to be done before winter and taken care of). \nIf i understand it right the new EU regulations prevents using the engine heating (at least the gasoline ones like Webasto) for heating the engine, it just heatsup the cabin. That is BS!", "I think it depends on how cold you are talking about. Cold like in the video, I agree (and I hate hate hate heat. I would be miserable in Texas and I hated Atlanta <- grew up in Atlanta). Especially humid heat (I think I'd deal better with Arizona than Atlanta even though it's hotter). \n\nBut I'd still prefer living in somewhere cold than hot. Just not to the extreme you see in the video (I don't even think I could survive living htere honestly).", "Me in Florida right now in a hoodie because it’s 74…", "Its more the fact that EVs don't generate waste heat (They do but not much). So heating anything requires resistive heating which takes a ton of electricity. The very newest Teslas have heat pumps but even those wouldn't work in this level of cold.", "Cold for me, I just do not tolerate hot places at all.\n\nNot saying extremes either way are easy to exist in but I can handle cold weather much better and feel much better in them.", "That's what I was thinking; if the water isn't frozen it must feel warm.", "Too extreme. I want somewhere that never gets above 25c in summer.", "The internet has been shoving this video down my throat this week. Fine I'll watch it.", "Yeah, people often forget this. For example, it's much faster to cool a drink in a bucket of ice water compared to just sitting in the freezer, which might be 32F vs 0F, respectively.", "Fuck that noise", "This is it. Can always wear more clothes/heavier clothes. Can manage your fuel supply for more house heating etc, can chop more wood.\n\nWhen it gets hot though you can't do anything if you're naked and the AC is at max, can't leave air conditioned spaces to do much either whereas you can at least chop wood in sub zero temperatures.", "You were so eager to jump on this, you didn't even look at what you linked. This data is from 1981-2010.", "Wind chill. It’s def been -40 with wind chill in MTL.", "That's [0.405 Bobs!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIIZ3hgPVA) \n \n...or not, idk, I might be really bad at math.", "Just standard gatekeeping.\n\nYes, it's cold in QC. QC is not yakutia siberia. Pretending it is is pretty lame. It would be similar to saying 'Yeah, but Toronto gets pretty cold much like QC'...\n\nIt's just taking away from the actual story for no good reason.", "Yikes, this chased me over from my YouTube recommendations...", "Did she credit anyone for the footage though? You can't just take someone else's and make it yours.", "Yeah that's super expensive just to have a car there. and I imagine cost of gas is super high there because of the distance to major refineries etc.", "My favorite was when it was +30 in the summer and you got a hail storm that destroyed your car and roof.\n\nThere are things about Calgary I miss, but crazy weather isn't one of them.", "I was just joking. Taking someones footage especially without credit is bad form.", "I only watched this a week ago! I was actually explaining the concept of the video as a thought I had when I was really high, and my friend was like, “...The Egg!”", "Im guessing you didn't watch the video, considering she specifically says aome people leave their cars running for the entirety of winter", "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/11/siberia-fires-russia-climate/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/11/siberia-fires-russia-climate/)\n\n\"Siberia’s wildfires are bigger than all the world’s other blazes combined\"", "You can always add layers in cold, but in heat you can't remove enough", "Honestly i feel like a very big thing that affects how bearable hot temperatures are is humidity. I grew up in an equatorial country where humidity was constantly 30°c and 80+% and it's just all around miserable whether you were indoors or outdoors in the shade. Visiting a dryer country was just amazing even though the temperature got a little higher, you could actually cool off in the shade.", "Water being warmer than the air temp isn't relevant- water pulls the heat from your body much quicker.", "My question is why? Why live there?", "Sure, I'll agree with that. But we're comparing waay too hot with waay too cold here. You're not much gonna enjoy the freedom of flip flops at +50°C lol", "50°C is equivalent to 122°F, which is 323K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Not even the Bay Area, just literally San Francisco. The South Bay, where most people in the Bay Area live is usually pretty hot.", "You really leave cars running ALL winter?! I'm sure reducing pollution and greenhouse gasses aren't high on your list of priorities... but like, that can't be cheap or good for your car either. There's got to be a better way.", "Yeah they're on a first-Nome basis.", "Pretty much no-one except Canadians (and maybe yanks and some others) use windchill instead of the actual temperature to make their numbers look \"cooler\". And they usually never mention they mean windchill either, which is just silly and the rest of the world is confused.\n\nIt winds in other countries too, everyone knows it's colder when windy, but that's not how temperature measurement works.", "It used to be. That was a nice few years.", "What's the view like?", "How the fuck do they shower", "Did I miss some enormous event that drastically changed the Toronto climate between 2010 and now?", "Of course it matters. What do you think frost is? \n\nIf you are somewhere that is -10C at 30%RH and I'm somewhere that is -10C at 95%RH, there's over double the amount of water in the air. The same difference at -40 means that going from 30% to 95% is more than tripling the amount of water in the air.\n\nNobody is complaining about the humidity in the sense that you'd complain about it at 30C, it's not about feeling wet, it's about feeling like you maintain your heat vs having a natural heatsink ripping it out of you.", "♬♪ She got those multi-layer pants, boots with the fur, the hats with the fur, the coat with the fur... ♩♫ Everything with the fur because you're gonna get frostbite going outside.", "Climate change?", "My point still stands that it exists. I never argued it was the actual temperature. How is it not important to know that wind will make it feel colder? If I know the wind chill is high, I will dress warmer. What’s the difference?\n\nIt’s fucking cold here bruv.", "If you guys keep this up, I'll have a kodiak arrest", "leave the car running all winter holy f", "That's the whole thing really. If you have spare time and are near water. Heat is manageable. But if you have to do something it sucks. \n\nI'm in Canada so about 3 or 4 weeks a year i just don't go outside. It's annoying but really not that big of a deal.", "Permafrost is in the ground. There is a thin layer of thawed soil and underneath (~2ft or 0.5m below) it is completely frozen. Short summer with above 0 degrees Celsius is not enough for ground to thaw. This create all kind of problems since you need to account for freeze/thaw cycles when you build foundations, bury cables or pipes, etc. You can read about it on Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permafrost", "Yakutia", "Oh. I took it seriously. I'm dumb, sorry.", "Thanks. Seems misleading, but makes sense.", "Relative to the cost of living it’s probably just a normal expense for most of them. I can’t imagine COL in a freezing hellscape is very high lol.", "Well I work mainly with ECU and sensor development. So random fact: electronics really don't belong on a semi truck. \n\nAutomotive electronics has very high demands and standards to begin with, and every single aspect of it is so much worse in trucks compared to cars. The electronics is constantly being violently rattled around by the drivetrain, goes back and forth between freezing cold to searing heat, often several times per day, and thousands of times over its life, it's gotta be safe against an insane number of chemicals, the mechanics that handle the components in workshops are roughneck gorillas so the components need to handle what they dish out etc...\n\nAnd what we're talking about needing to survive that is this teeny tiny circuit board, with thousands of fragile little electronic components, that threatens to break if you just poke it the wrong way. It's crazy that it's even possible. The ECUs are made of cast aluminium and actually welded shut to keep them safe.\n\nThere's really only one single field that is more hostile towards electronics, and that's what goes in satellites. But that stuff is old for robustness reasons, something like 15-20 years behind the rest of the industry because only the very thoroughly proven stuff is used and radiation tolerant. We gotta make it work with relatively cutting edge technology.", "ogres?", "We do that in northern Minnesota too. The big difference in temps there is MN has a very hot summer and thus no permafrost ;p", "It’s the coldest “large” town or city on earth. Not coldest town.", "You think climate change drastically changed Toronto's climate (for the colder no less) in 11 years? I guess you're one of those people who think entire cities will be submerged in the next 20?", "hot, all day, every day.", "I'm sure people are really chill there", "I don't know it for a fact, but I would expect fuel to be pretty cheap in siberia. \n\nI mean, I fill up my little tiny vw polo maybe 2 times per month for 40 liters. Pretty normal commute. If I left it idling constantly I'd need to fill it up 5-6 times per month. So from $150 ish per month to $450 ish per month at swedish prices. Sure, it'd make a dent in my personal economy, but it'd be fine since I sure as shit wouldn't want to walk to work in those conditions lol.", "That's true.", "Lol no not the water, that would turn into a bad situation real fucking fast", "\"we're not moshing, we're just trying to warm up\"", "I grew up in the Yukon, it's not as fun as you think dude. Shit ton of snow and it's fucking cold for 6 months out of the year", "Why in gods name would anybody ever build this town in the first place? Like what is so valuable there that it’s worth setting up a settlement originally? Surely mining... it’s sure as fuck not any kind of agriculture lol", "I thought they'd plug in their cars into the electric grid via extension cord which runs the block heater to keep the oil viscous and a battery blanket to keep it from going flat like they do in the prairies (Winnipeg)", "Why?", "She said they leave their cars running all winter...", "In Siberia it can actually get pretty warm in the summertime", "I live in Redding. It’s Northern California and we see near 120 degrees at least once a year. That’s why it’s constantly on fire.", "You will change your mind in a second after you get exposed to such temperatures. I am not sure if that is even survivable for humans .", "The guys father in the movie had dementia and lost it at one point when they were hiding in the attic, he went downstairs to leave and said this just as they caught him trying to leave.", "Moved from Gulf of Mexico area of the US to Minnesota. I love the cold. I still sweat but I'm not drenched anymore. I wear wool to help preserve my long sleeves because they are not ruined by sweat and they keep me really warm but cool at the same time. I just layer up and I'm comfy. \n\nI went home this summer down south. Running at 5am had me drenched in only 3\" running shorts. It looked like I jumped into the Gulf/water. \n\nAlso, the cold kills all the bugs for most of the year. And in the summer we have sunlight from 5-6am to 930-10pm. \n\n\nLove the cold. Snow is really fun too!", "I'll take the old endless months of slightly snowy and only \"minus a little bit\" to \"the negative teens\" winter over this new bullshit we've got going on where it swings from +10 to -20 just to fuck with you in the middle of January and snow is limited to 4-6 different snowfalls that will occur randomly between November and April.", "I love doing that as a magic trick for my kid. Put a bottle of Topo Chico or other carbonated water in a glass bottle for 2-3 hours. Then when you open it, the carbonation releasing instantly turns it into a block of ice. You then get the coldest water afterwards, it's great for both of us. Don't recommend it with Cokes though, then you end up with flat Coke.", "Good documentary but after the intro they stopped using subtitles for some reason..\n#\nSo it’s basically unwatchable.", "Somehow I suspect it may not be enough. Plus, that doesn't help with the frozen battery.", "My personal philosophy, tainted by a lifetime of Canadianism, is that I can always get warmer when it's cold (layers, blankets, sit closer to a heat source, start a fire) but at a certain level of hot it's hard to get cool.", "As a mechanic in Winnipeg, no. Something was wrong with your van. I work on vehicles of all kinds and none of my customers have had this issue. My 1991 Miata with 400,000km would start at -35 without being plugged in overnight. It's not that difficult for a well-maintained vehicle. They're actually designed to start in the cold.", "How does they know when to put gas in it to keep it running?", "I feel like we’ve lived 2 different PEIs because I grew up there and I left because of the winters. I remember it consistently hitting -30 to even minus -40 sometimes. Waking up to find your car buried in snow. The constant snowstorms. Insane heating bills. \n\nIt’s just funny to see PEI mentioned at all and then in such a a mild way! I moved to Southern Europe and people always ask me why I left Canada and I tell them the story of this little island in the middle of nowhere where winter lasts 4 months lol!", "How do we have fun? Well, we bathe our fat bodies in ice cold water and kill animals. What did you think?", "I’m afraid that I’d have more of a chemical dependency than I already do in a temperate region", "It is a booming ice farming location.", "You can always wear warmer clothes. Not even necessarily with thick layers. Gortex can make you positively sweaty in some of the coldest environments.\n\nYou can't do the same in the heat. You could be stark naked and 120F still feels like shit.", "I think about it like you can always put on more layers hut you can't take off your skin\n\nOr at least you're not supposed to 😅", "The battery bit is true, and webasto won't help you if your fuel freezes.", "I live in Nunavut so we watch 30 days of night every single Halloween. I recommend the tradition to any arctic dweller", "Agreed, I'm from new Zealand, it's fairly humid most of the time so 30c is pretty uncomfortable, Singapore it's like x10 of that where I was just constantly damp, then Dubai I was strolling around in 50c + temps like it was an average summer morning.", "Haha I love the movie and I’m not sure if that would make it better or worse.", "I reckon it's more that some folks cannot respond to anything without bringing in their own experience. I've got friends like that and it drives me insane. Literally every topic that comes up gets compared or applied to their relatively uneventful lives.", "Extremely impressive and so ambitious! I’ve always wanted to try the trek from Kugluktuk to umingmaktok but I think I’d need to train hard to survive that", "this was an amazing watch! super intriguing. props to you my friend!", "Well I'm not sure why it was happening, but every morning when it was below -30 it'd be frozen solid. The block heater also seemed to be working fine, so I'm not sure what the issue was", "That would be epic!", "A few things to worry about.\n\nMake sure your job pays really really well. The cost of food and housing in nordic areas is insanely expensive. There is a level of government subsidy to keep people alive up there, but it won't cover everything. This is one place you don't want to be homeless.\n\nThey cover clothing in the video. But clothing is very important in northern environments. It's not winter all the time, but the winters get harsh fast. You'll need an expensive winter jacket with fur lining. Make sure it's authentic fur as faux fur doesn't actually provide any real winter coverage. You'll also want a really really warm pair of winter boots and fur, leather, or sealskin gloves. If you show up there was cotton gloves (which are used as liners for real gloves) you will get frostbite.\n\nLower your expectations on food. Food quality is insanely bad up north.... especially when winter hits. Ever seen that lonely black banana in the grocery store or bruised apples no one wants? A lot of the time... that's all that's going to be available.... and that shit will be expensive.", "Probably something draining the battery. A charged battery doesn't freeze, and there's plenty of things that can drain your battery. My neighbor's cargo van had the radio go bad and kill the battery every night. Remote starters, sticking relays, bad door switches, rust modules, etc.", "Interesting video, I never realized these people are Caucasian with Asian features. I noticed that with OPs video and then all the people in this video.", "If you didn't have A/C this summer in Seattle, you were suffering.", "Beyond -30° it feels about the same, it just gets a little more dangerous. But if you cover yourself well you can survive just fine. I go for walks in -30 to -40 sometimes, just to get out of the house. Again, as long as you’re adequately dressed you’ll be okay. \n\nIt’s not like people living there are living outside.", "It’s SO much better. All of our houses here are on stilts as well and the power went out on Halloween too. We don’t got a genny or a town diner to hold up in so we mentally prepared for our imminent death", "Thats like watching it in 4d, actually making that movie more terrifying is probably for the best.", "\\-40 and -50 is nothing surprising in Yakutsk winter\n\nalso +35 and +40 in summer", "🎵🎵she’s as cold as ice…", "Pretty much, not sure why you're repeating what I just said.", "Despite growing up there it looks like she still took a suspicious amount of talking points and clips from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM\n\nLike why not just link the video of the person who actually did all the work filming?", "80F I’m breaking out my jeans and pullover.", "Damn I'd visit just to see her", "I could be making up some shit about Finland being cold af, but it is nearly not the same as Siberia.", "This would make a cool TV series: Country swap - transplant a family from the hottest place to the coldest place, and vice versa. Compare their experiences.", "Shame since it's the eastern state that probably needs it most. At least they have those Queenslander homes built on stilts for ventilation. I used to think they were for flooding.", "Love trying to go anywhere downtown when the wind is blowing the right direction and the buildings are just funneling it towards you. Thank God for tunnels and the Skywalk.", "Well seeing as how lowest recorded temps in Minnesota for the past three years are -24, -33 and -26 I think you still have a good while to go to match these guys. I'm Canadian and we get freaking cold winters but I have a feeling they beat us out as well ( unless you're talking the territories or far north Quebec/Alberta", "You’re surprised that a lot of people in Asia look ‘somewhat Asian’?", "Exactly lol", "I live on the california coast in a small town that doesn't have crazy expensive housing compared to the rest of california. You're just talking about the big cities.", "No sun all day", "It was probably the time of year or something. I'm not sure of Finland's latitude, but Resolute is about 74 degrees north. I'd looked at an online map, and it was much too far south to be visible", "Nature is literally saying \"gtfo! You're not supposed to be here\" and you're saying \"fuck you I do what I want! Humans ftw\"", "Yakutia is the name of the whole region - so is the town the fottage is from Yakutsk? Wikipedia says the average high temp in July goes up to 25C.\n\nIt'd be interesting to have shown footage of Yakutsk in summer when it is so hot. This video gives the impression it's consistently -40 year round.", "Possibly including wind chill?\n\nLast winter, parts of central Alberta got to something like -55°C with wind chill. I don't know if QC is as windy, though.", "Yakutsk is the capital of the region of Yakutia. So if it was -71 in Yakutsk, it's also -71 in the region itself. She might be living somewhere else but it's pretty clear that Yakutia had -71. \n\nLooking at their winter, months of December, January and February all have -35 degrees AVERAGE temperatures, with nights average is at -40 for all of those months. \n\nI'd say saying -40 to -50 being the norm seems like a very true statement. \n\nObviously she wants to generate views, that video that you posted was also there to generate views.", "How do they afford all of the fur coats? Isn't that stuff expensive", "Sometimes if even gets up to 1,400 °F", "Probably the fuel gauge?", "Edmonton -41°C to +38°C this year\n\nI hate it", "Yeah, they are more closely related to the peoples of Korea or the Inuits than anyone in Moscow. It makes sense though, travel to these places has only been possible for half a century, and before that they were \"under Soviet rule\" but probably felt relatively little in the way of presence from their conquerors.", "They just want to relate with the convo man, just work with it. Talk about it together", "2016 was a strange year indeed", "I'd think about investing in a battery maintainer. It'll keep your battery topped up and dramatically improve its lifespan. Leaving a lead-acid battery sit partially charged (i.e. not driven for a few days) will slowly damage it, and letting it fully discharge to the point you need to jump it is not much better than hitting it with a sledgehammer. That $50 investment can save you hundreds on battery replacements (just don't forget to unplug before you drive off!)", "Cheap rent?", "Everyone does it sometimes, but when talking about any movie or game, or news story, or conversation topic results in \"That's just like when I was at high school and...\" it gets old very fast.", "She’s attractive but wouldn’t it be “better” if she was bigger/had more fat since it’s so damn cold there? Everyone else in the video looked sturdy and well insulated.", "You can always put on more clothes, you can't always take more off.", "> It's only -5c currently.\n\nRight so still t-shirt weather then...", "Is this from experience? I live in Northern Cali and that’s not even close to correct, lol.", "I don't know why you're getting downvoted. The wind chill is a huge factor even in Edmonton, and I'd imagine Winnipeg is even worse.", "Well, yeah maybe it will melt because of climate change, but at least it hasn't melted in a long time.", "And those soviet chthonian from Love, Death & Robots", "I think real temperature on this video is much higher than -50.\n\nYou cannot touch on such temperature massive padlock by hands. They will be freezed on even glued to padlock. My uncle on -40 tried to warm keys glued them to mouth and had to run to hotel.", "Get out of here, witch.", "As an American, I only know about this place because of Risk", "curious: i am guessing that it was not minus 71 degrees when they filmed people out and about in Yakutia?", "Ah now that I looked it up I see that it gets nice and warm there. I just assumed it would always be cold.", "My city in Sacramento county hit 110 in the summer", "If there is no wind, than you warm air around you and for 2 minutes it is does not matter -20 or -40. \nAlso air near open water is warmer.", "Do batteries freeze as in they burst the case? What happens?", "But why?", "People from toronto rushing here to comment that it still isnt as cold as a hot summer day in canada", "Deep breathing is a helluva drug, my friend. Qi gong, Prana yama, wym hoff etc.", "Even saturated salt water freezes at -21C", "We shall harness… SNOW POWER", "Yeah", "I grew up in the town of Dras, which is in the state of Ladakh in north India.\n\nLike Siberia, Dras, too, is one of the coldest inhabited places on earth, but the coldest it ever got in Dras was minus 40 celsius.\n\nI was ten years old when the thermometer plunged to negative forty, and even today, some three decades later, I recall my misery vividly.\n\nWhat it must be like to survive in brutally cold temperatures like minus 70 celsius, I can't imagine. I am trying, but my brain returns with an error signal. Needless to say, this video helps in understanding humans in minus seventy.", "I guess owning a Tesla out there would be out of the question? Or do lithium ion batteries also freeze at those extreme cold temps?", "Heat for me, all the way. Is it miserable? Yes. However, assuming I've got enough water to stay hydrated, I have always found it easier to cool off than warm up. Of course, I've also spent most of my life living in different deserts, so maybe I just don't know how to layer well?", "I wonder how much these people pay for heating.", "On -40 you start hear how pee is freezing on the flight. On -50 it freezes in the middle, on -60 dont piss outside .", "why don't you summer in the coldest place and winter in the hottest; or is it the other way around?", "Seriously! I wonder how often them have to put gas in. I would assume there would be at least a couple oil changes too as the ending is running for 7 months", "That's very cool!", "I've asked this about multiple places around the world, and the one answer seems to be family. Apparently people can't leave the nest, and need to be near their family for the duration of their lifetime.", "People hear Russia and think only of European Russian. The Asian part is Russia is very similar to Mongolians", "But if it's hot, jump in a pool. Oh so nice", "Fricken hottest for sure. Cold weather blows", "The very best heat sink in the entire universe no less.", "Yes, great idea! I’ve been acquainted with how quickly batteries go to shit if they’re allowed to fully discharge haha. Will never quite hold the same charge again, and goes to zero faster and faster. I’m going to look into a maintainer.", "For sure, the temperature itself is exceptional, but their way of life, how it affects their lives, the measures they need to take, all of that is the same, but in a smaller scale. My point is simply that living in the cold isn't unique to that place.", "Yeah, they had issues in the early models in Québec winters. No idea about newer models.", "Well that part of Russia is in East Asia. Even former Soviet Republics like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc., the native people there look for East Asian than European.", "I'll take coldest any day.", "I don’t understand this argument. I feel like it takes wayyyy longer to heat up than to cool down. When I get in my hot car and turn the AC on, I get some level of relief instantly because at least there’s a fan blowing on me. When I’m cold and turn the heat on, it’s just blowing cold air at me until it can heat up meanwhile I’m literally in pain from already being cold", "The magic land of thermodynamics, where releasing heat energy takes less effort than storing it because that's how enthropy works.", "Some time ago you did not need to be born there to suddenly appear there.", "Hand-cranking an engine when the oil is frozen is nearly impossible", "I watched the video and most of what she was saying about their way of life is similar to ours. \n\nThat's all I'm saying. Beyond a certain point, the human body can't survive, same with some technologies, and civilization has to be adapted to the cold. It could be -20,-40 or -100, the idea remains the same.\n\nBut I know you understood my point very well lol Stop being needlessly pedantic.", "Same. You can layer up to get warm, but even if you get naked you’re still hot.", "Exactly. I really don’t understand all the people who prefer cold. When cold air hits your face it actually hurts. When hot air hits your face it’s honestly pretty nice until it gets to really hot temperatures in which case it’s still just uncomfortable at worst. I’d rather be sweaty than under 5 layers of clothing, not able to do anything because of how bulky it is, and cold air is still assaulting my face since I can’t protect it because I need to be able to see", "It’s probably here because someone saw it on YouTube and posted it here. I saw it on YouTube either yesterday or the day before.", "This place is a hell of a lot colder than Canada.", "Why not just take the battery inside the house, and then when you need to go driving again, just plug in the battery again.", "The city itself has its official temperature readings taken at the local airport, but as you may have realized by living in the real world, sometimes, the temperature varies from one part of a city to another.\n\nOn top of that, the greater Québec City area covers a number of cities, it's over twice as large as Québec City itself!\n\nI'm so sorry for not making that extremely important distinction for you.", "That’s not true, there’s been no air temperature (credibly) recorded over 134 F, which was in Death Valley, and people do live there year round. There might be places with no weather stations in the Sahara or something with hotter weather but it’s not really relevant since we already know how even hotter air temperatures feel. Just go to a sauna. According to Google they are typically between 150 and 195 F, and having been in one, I can still confidently say I’d much rather spend time in that than in extreme cold. Cold air is literally painful, it stings when it hits your face. Hot air will make you sweat, but it’s still not physically painful. Give me hot weather any day. I’m not sure how hot it would have to be to be analogous to Yakutia levels of cold, but I’m willing to bet I’d still tolerate it better. I will say though for extended periods of time cold is probably more livable only because you can keep putting on more layers. But in terms of comfort give me heat", ">Most of\n\nThis comment thread is hilarious lol Putting words in my mouth, not reading my comment at all, or not understanding it, and pedantically pointing out things I didn't say.\n\nI'm so sorry, I never should've been born! I hope I didn't cause you too much harm by existing.", "My firefighter buddy said that it doesn't really matter once it drops below 20f. Cold is cold. The homeless people die all the same.", ">\tHot is 'eww, this is uncomfortable and i'm sweaty', while Cold is 'omg, am i going to die?'.\n\nI feel the exact opposite of that. Love the cold weather, snow, etc. whenever it gets hot and blindingly sunny I just feel miserable.", "Because you were born there and your ancestors graves are there, your home and your culture is there.", "I wonder why you don't still live there??....minx", "Man people who like cold weather are really a different breed. That feeling of cold air hitting my face or my lungs or even really any part of my skin is absolutely unbearable, and the inability to use your phone or really do anything with your hands because they might freeze up is torture. To me it’s not Jack Frost nipping at my nose it’s Jack Frost stabbing me with a billion tiny needles lol", "I had -60/65 in Nunavut Canada. Plus wind factor it gets cold to a point where you can't really make the difference between -45 and -65°c. The trick to working outside in this weather is to put a lot of layers, the last layer should be to block the wind. And also, cover your skin, any part left out will freeze in no time and you won't even realise it. There are charts that exist, at -65°c your only allowed to work outside for 20 minutes followed by a 15 minutes break inside warning up. I've worked in Surinam as well, hottest place I've worked. Could be 45°c plus humidex factor. You need to dress with dryfit clothes, drink all the time or you'll have cramps and headaches from dehydration.", "Cold", "Humidity affects cold temperature as well. I live in an area that is humid year round and the temperature can sheet us up to almost 40c in summer and below 0c in winter. Typically the humidity stays around 80% but can fluctuate with the weather. The summer is easy to dress appropriately for. The winter on the other hand is another matter. The whole concept of layering fails because once you remove a layer, you immediately get chilled by the humid air. The choice becomes getting a chill because you are sweating or getting a chill because you aren’t wearing enough clothes. There is no in between.", "Correct, they swell and deform. You get in your car and it's just dead lol", "You’re absolutely right, but for some reason Reddit demographics adore cold weather. If you had to stand naked in cold weather vs naked in hot weather I can’t imagine anyone would choose cold weather. The only thing that makes it tolerable is layers, and even then it sucks ass because you can’t properly protect your face and you have to spend time putting them on and taking them off", "It has much more seasoning", "I hate this argument so much. Shorts and t-shirt are perfectly adequate for even the hottest places on earth. You don’t need to take anything else off. At least if it’s a dry heat. If we’re talking with humidity then yeah there’s no escaping that shit, I’d have to be completely naked to be comfortable", "> -13.3\n\nWhat the hell? Then why is it that whenever British winter is shown or described anywhere people are bundled up like it's -40?", "Layering up takes time, and makes doing anything more difficult because they’re bulky. You also might have to spend time taking them off when indoors so you don’t burn up. You also can’t protect your face properly because you need to keep your eyes uncovered so you can see. So you still have cold air blasting your face, which is incredibly painful. Because of that there’s no amount of layers that will make me comfortable in winter", "Stuff of nightmares", "I take your word for -30 C, but -70, is 40 degrees lower still. Is very nearly dry ice temperature level.", "Coming from a cold country, there are no clothes in the world that are keeping me warm at -50°C. I have experienced both temperatures and would rather just crawl into a hole and die than deal with either.", ">\textreme heat saps the energy from you.\n\nI mean, if you drink enough water it’s really not as bad as anyone here is making it out to be. We’re just talking about living here, not trying to exercise outdoors in this weather. I could walk around for a long time in 120 F heat and feel fine as long as I was drinking water", "\"It's fine! Today is actually warm\" says the lady selling fish in -47 C (-52.6 F) weather", "Hot", "Yeah yolo gets hot as hell over the summer", "I'm living in Ireland now and the apartment is at 17C now, I have to work at the PC for 8 hours and my feet and hands are always like popsicles. I can't put more layers for two reasons, mouse and keyboards become impossible to use, and feet/hands start sweating while being cold. Never had any problem with heat though, just needed to drink more water and let the body do his work to remove excessive heat (unlike cold, human body is not designed to handle cold).", "For real, it gets below 70 and I start thinking about wearing a jacket, or at least putting long sleeves on", "Leave the engine running for weeks just so the car doesn’t freeze to death! Isn’t gas expensive there?", "Are they? I usually only ever see people wearing coats and gloves, maybe a scarf or a hat. Certainly nothing like you need at -40°!", "Man, I work with islanders and PEI just sounds like unspoiled paradise lol. Better weather than the prairies, everything's close and they have the ocean! And Mars red dirt. Wild! And still semi affordable housing. \n\nI'd love to move to PEI.", "My man, double layered ski goggles were invented in 1965. And modern layers are thin and very maneuverable. Get with the times.", "Except when its on fire", "You and the pot farmers", "Did u now", "I hate the heat and humidity in the South so much that I once moved to Missouri, and I loved the winter there. That said, I don't know if I could handle anything this extreme. Yet, people have been living there for thousands of years. You never know what you're capable of adapting to until you're actually living through it.", "I'm with you. I'd choose oppressive cold over oppressive humid heat every single time mainly because it's much easier to keep warm than to keep cool.", "Western Aus heat does have the advantage of generally being pretty dry though. East Coast I think we cop more humidity, especially as you head north up the coast. The humidity is the killer for me, I can take dry heat but wet heat is just oppressive. Trying to sleep with no air con when you just lay on your bed naked, sweating and sticky, not ideal.", "That area seems to have been a cultural melting pot for some time. Both of my paternal great grandmothers came from that region. One of them was a white woman with a Russian background, the other was more obviously turkic/asian.\n\nA lot of the Russian influence on that area began with Russian fur traders in the 17th century.", "Using water to keep comfortable is key, but what about when you have to work for 8+ hours at a time without being able to take a dip? How do you get to sleep at night when it's 115F?", "This is my thing, you can always add more clothes for the cold, but you can only remove so many clothes for the heat. I live in Los Angeles so while it can get pretty hot during the summer, generally it's pretty mild in both directions. But I've spent a summer in New Hampshire with shitty A/C and I was fucking miserable. The humidity was oppressive, I was constantly drenched in sweat and had a terrible time sleeping, and it wasn't even that hot, temperature-wise. I've also spent time in New Hampshire during the winter when it was like 5 degrees, and as long as I bundled up it wasn't a big deal.\n\nExtreme temperatures are rough either way but I'll take cold over heat any day.", "I chuckle imagining someone trying to sell “fresh never frozen” products here. Literally having to run a 24/7 heater on said products", "I get you but I’m not gonna wear that shit to go to the store lol, I’d look like an idiot. I don’t know about that second part either. There’s also still no good solution to not being able to use my phone in cold weather", "Yep humid cold is the cold that gets in your bones and makes it much harder to warm up.", "When all else fails, go to passive-aggressive dipshit mode, gotcha. Have a good one.", "Cold. You can keep adding on layers and blankets. You can only get so naked.", "Yeah exactly! When that cold wind rolls off the Richardson building trying to walk around it.. ugh. \n\nThe skywalk was lifesaver when I was a poor student with no car lol", "Pretty much, but it varies in intensity. Basically the more continentally central you are, the more extreme seasonal temps. Winnipeg would be in the running for worst climate in the world for a city of 800k+", "Iirc this place isn’t that cold year-round. It’s quite temperate some months. I looked it up one time", "Definitely cold. I am no expert but having worked in Dubai and northern Sweden I’ll take the cold every time thanks", "A couple of years ago we had a cold snap with -37F during the day. It was an interesting experience.", "Being in the cold absolutely saps your energy too. I get what you’re saying and I agree, but the fact is at either extreme the body is working very hard to not die, and it’s pretty tiring", "You know it's really really cold when you spit and it bounces.", "Yup yup. The coldest I've ever felt was just above freezing, but super humid.", "Growing up as a swimmer, any water temp below 75-80 degrees is not \"warm,\" even though the same temperature would feel warm or even hot on dry land. Basically anything below your internal body temp will start to feel cold after a while, because you're leeching heat into surrounding water.", "You're correct, of course, I was just making a bit of a joke. The thermal conduction of water is way greater than air.", "Oh the joke went over my head haha, I was just agreeing with you.", "Oh, wait, wrong comment. Earlier, I said it'd feel warm to the guy, but in this comment what I said is correct, because of the reason I just said about thermal transfer. Ha, sorry for the confusion.", "I am Finnish. It is better to be drunk on hot weather. Passing out in the cold is how you loose toes and fingers.", "Permafrost works as a foundation unless it thaws, which a building sitting directly on top of it would do. Keeping the building elevated prevents thawing.\n\nSource: no source, this is an educated guess based on the use of the piers", "I don't know about wind chill, but Ottawa's record lows (-38.9 C) are colder than Quebec City (-36.7 C). The numbers can be found on the respective city's wiki pages under \"Climate data\"", "Well... that's just like your opinion, man. \n\nI live in an area that has all the seasons. -32F to 110F (237K to 316K for those who prefer proper units) We also have high humidity so extreme heat feels a lot worse, and nasty winds so extreme cold can be quite bad too. \n\nI'll take the colder temps over the the hotter temps most of the time. If it's 0F, it's stupid cold, but I can bundle up and be OK, and most of the time the heat keeps me at a comfortable temp, but 100F it's stupid hot, and I have to hope my AC can keep up. In my old home it could not, and those extreme days of heat were much more miserable than the cold ones. Being cold and bundling up is also more comforting to me than being hot and not being able to do anything about it. Cold days are also great days to make things like chili or other comfort foods that I like to make. I do like BBQing on hot days, but I still enjoy doing that on cold days. I'm not making chili or chicken and dumpling soup in August. Cold has very primative methods I can put in place (wearing more clothes, running a fire) that can help me be comfortable both indoors and out, but extremely hot weather the only solution is AC, or fucking deal with it. I'm a lot more comfortable if the place I'm in is 55F rather than 100F. \n\nSo if I had to choose between the two ( I don't, as I said we get all seasons, its 60F today) I'd pick cold, because it is easier to be comfortable doing mundane tasks than it is in the heat. Now if I'm going to vacation, I'll usually prefer warmer temps, but a ski-trip isn't a bad idea.", "I'm from California and know not about these things. I was in Vermont last year and it was 4°f. My rental car wouldn't turn over and it was a new car and battery with only 3500 miles on it.\n That SUCKED. (You should know that mobile coverage in Vermont sucks even worse than car batteries.)\n\nI can't imagine 40° colder. I would have literally died in 10 minutes.", "I really wonder what that costs. How many gallons of fuel are burned just to keep the car warm? I think there’s a system used in the Midwest that just plugs the car in to keep it warm during temps like this, but maybe it’s too expensive / doesn’t work in these temps?", "It gets colder in wpg, cuz of windchill. Coldest ive had to deal with over there is -50°c something plus windchill", "I raise a toast to your humor Inuit as well", "Fr fr, had enough of it i moved to west coast", "Let me tell you, having no ac during that heatwave for even a few days was infinitely worse than the many winters i've spent out east where we'd have weeks at a time of -20c - -40c", "Nah, wpg is worse than calgary bruh, just as bipolar as calgary but more colder in calgary", "super frio", "Way worse when you get out, though.", "Though you also get instant cabin heat when you turn it on. And you can remote start climate control without filling your garage with suicide-fumes.", "Here’s a Tesla in -34C https://youtu.be/lL9zveDz8H0\n\nNot much of an impact besides severely reduced range. The display will even indicate how much you can expect your range to drop. Probably around 30% or so in that weather. You also can't use regenerative braking until the battery heats up.\n\nThe power output of a lithium battery drops at lower temperature, but the car rarely uses the maximum power output of the cells anyway.", "I worked in a fish n chips shack at the time, lol. It was absolutely horrible hot with all the open fry vats all day on top of the heat. That was awful. If I was in that sitch again, I'd try so hard to find a place to work with air con. :') For sleep, I just adjusted. Open window, light damp sarong over my legs. Still would take it over icy cold!", "Because I'm thinking of European Russians but it's probably like the far parts of China where they look mixed.", "27c is death \n\n10c is a warm spring day", "https://youtu.be/lL9zveDz8H0", "Sort of, but water also pulls heat from your body much faster than air does.", "It's barely considered the arctic, but I went to Churchill one time and it was absolutely amazing. One of the most interesting places I've ever visited. Even just getting there, 2 days by train over endless tundra, was fascinating. Just the size and emptiness has an effect on you. I'd never seen an arctic sea. I was there during summer so the ice was all broken up and it was a total trip. The jumble of icebergs resting on sand when the tide went out. Just a wild, isolated place with a completely exotic way of life compared to what I'm used to.", "You can always put on more clothes but you can only take off so many to stay cool", "Holy HECK that's cold i thought -40 was cold with 2 Jackets on top, but DAMNN -70c", "What place sees -30C winters and +40C summers?", "The ring of visible northern lights is not centred on the geographic North Pole, it’s tilted a bit.", "You can always put on more layers but you can't take off your skin.", "To each their own, and likely a matter of what you're used to I suppose. \n\nGetting to sleep in sticky heat is hell for me, while a 100km snowmobile trip in -30C with windchill is a hell of a fine day, especially if there's some whiskey and a fire waiting for me when I get back.", "I think it's only really coober peady. Although there isn't much else round there. I stayed there. Got drunk with some locals. Good times.", "This is my go-to channel for life in Yakutia. There was a recent video about the forest fires that included footage from days where the sun is a pale orange disk behind the smog. We had a day like that here in California last year and the feeling was surreal. Still, we had an army of fire fighters out trying to keep the fires under control and Yakutia had nothing like that. The Russian government doesn't have the resources to fight miles of burning taiga. People lost their homes, farms, and livestock and had no where to go, no way to prepare for winter.", "I’m pretty close … Palm Springs area so yeah heat sucks. At least if I go to Alaska or Chicago when I visit relatives I can layer clothing.", "Good point, but if must be relevent at a certain air temperature - water at 0C certainly pulls heat from your body quicker than air at -20C, but what if the air is -50C, -70C or -100C? There must be a point (maybe not a natural condition on earth) where being in near freezing water is better than being in the open air.", "I've worked in a coolstore before, -28c, and you do get used to it.\n\nI remember walking outside to 30c days and almost dying.", " Yakutia is a region, not a town.", "Newer cars have an auxiliary motor which is much smaller but is just enough to keep the engine warm.\n\nThey usually are remote controlled so you can turn them on via your phone, for example 30 minutes before you leave to work in the morning so the engine is warm and the heater starts blowing warm air immediately when you start the main engine.", "I grew up in a -30C town, I'd take that over blistering heat any day. When it's cold outside you can get inside and be cozy and warm and relaxed. When it's stifling hot...it's just uncomfortable.", "Wife is a nurse, can confirm it [absolutely does go into the negative.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buried_penis) (Wikipedia link with NSFW pictures)", "Okay, if looking this good is a result of cold enviorement i'll sleep in my freezer from now on.", "As someone who travels a lot, it always seems like things just move slower it hot places. After reading your comment, it makes me wonder if it's just people trying to keep cool by not overdoing what they're doing. I work outdoors year round and it's definitely easier doing lots of manual labor in the cold vs the heat", "Definitely the coldest for me... You can always put on more layers to stay warm, but you can only take off so much to cool down.", "This is fascinating", "Unfortunately things are changing there because of climate change. https://abcnews.go.com/International/siberias-permafrost-melt-causing-swamps-lakes-making-land/story?id=80789255", "I guess I understand that. The wikipedia page lists over 250k people in that town. That's a lot of people dealing with this kind of struggle. I guess you get used to it, but it seems like a good place to live during the summer and escape to somewhere more hospitable during the winter.", "Also White Cliffs, about 255km northeast of Broken Hill. Stayed in an underground motel there as a kid. There's two now apparently. Along with the local underground dwellings and mines you can visit.", "Yeah, I've been in weather that's -40 and +40. Fuck +40, I'd sooner deal with the windchill because I can always put on more layers, if it's +40, I am literally overheating and unable to even think clearly.\n\n-64 however, yeah, no way in hell would I even leave. I don't care what it is, I'm better off inside.", "We really haven't hit -40 or +40 that much in the recent years, but it's been drier and windier than usual. I think Calgary might have worse weather than us now.", "If 10°C is a warm spring day to you, I would probably die in what you'd call a \"slight chill.\"", "10°C is equivalent to 50°F, which is 283K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Lots of places. I live in Southern Ontario KW area and thats how it is here. It also get humid as fuck here in the summers cause we're sitting between a bunch of, essentially, freshwater seas. Judging by I-Cook_cats1 post history they live in Winnipeg Manitoba. That type of weather pattern is not uncommon at all in Canada or Northern US", "Was that not inside his heated garage where the bus was kept?", "I've lived in manitoba my whole life and yes we experience very extreme weather on both ends. Although it's definitely been getting more consistently hot in the summers in recent years. I swear we had a week this summer where it was 30 or hotter out for a few week stretch.\n\nIn the winters I'd say it averages around minus 20 to 30, with spikes of much colder. Our winters have also been much warmer in recent years.", "Diamonds", "Living underground's gonna get increasingly popular this century, I think.", "The new core i9 comes in handy here.", "Traditional cultures had workarounds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher", "where? i would like to move there", "You don't even have to go very far inland for temps to get a lot hotter, see [this literal heatmap.](https://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-california-heat-zones-map.php)\n\nOf course when people say \"northern california\" they just mean the bay area, as the actual northern california is really not popular. Redding for instance is a hot mountain hellhole that is being taken over by a conservative christian cult.", "Those are for MSP airport in the south part of the state which is much warmer.\n\nWas there for this -60 degrees F on February 2, 1996\nLast year Cotton, MN which is like one town over from where I was born was -43F last year for instance and -56F in 2019.", "[In July it's typically a high of 78°F/26°C and a low of 56°F/13°C.](http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/climate/24959.htm)", "Because the British are cowards", "Neat, thanks for the link. Definitely impressive I didn't even consider that a charging station would basically be a free heat source for the car. I'm now even more curious what the breaking point is where it's just too damn cold. One thing I wasn't expecting was him getting a 40% efficiency loss in the winter in the follow up vid. Makes sense but wouldn't have thought it was so severe.", "As a Canadian I have to ask: Why did people fucking settle there?", "I agree with this. Grew up in Minnesota. Really cant tell a difference between 10 to -20.", "The water conducts heat very quickly though.", "I too used to go on 4chan.", "It’s been much warmer… Towns like Res Bay saw a lot of positive temps this summer. Even Alert saw 15ish a few times.", "There's no argument though? I'm stating something from my personal frame of reference. There's nothing to either agree with or rebuke, it's a reflection of me", "I don't know how cold is too cold, but I do know that very cold batteries can provide energy, but they can't accept energy. So the first thing the car does when the cable is plugged in is activate heaters to get the battery toasty.\n\nTesla even has your battery preheat if you're on your way to a fast charger (it's set as the destination in the nav). It'll burn a little extra power to get the batteries to the right temp and maximize charging speed.\n\n[Here's another video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw7Ua1Q1EYc) of an unplugged nearly dead Tesla in -18C charging. It takes a while to get warm enough to actually charge.", ">IMO, hot is better. Hot is 'eww, this is uncomfortable and i'm sweaty', while Cold is 'omg, am i going to die?'.\n\nI'm the exact opposite lol. Cold is meh, hot is I am actually on fire", "Its all fun and games in the extreme cold until you walk outside and natures literally slaps you in the face by freezing any moisture on your face. That is a whole new type of cold", "Your comment reminded me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYID4lXhM0)", "From what I heard, Yakut Turkish is super similar to turkey Turkish, thoughts?", "Just a note, my fingers and toes freeze but you can actually dress for it. Everything has to be \"winter\" clothing, though. Winter/snow pants. Down parka. Mittens over thin gloves (or ones with a separate glove built in). Winter/insulated boots. Wool socks. Balaclava and possibly ski goggles. Anything that isn't winter specific is going to suck, like jeans or hiking boots. Once you actually embrace the cold weather gear it's actually fine. Then the problem becomes getting too warm if you're doing an outdoor activity.", "Can confirm. Coldest I've experienced was -50f windchill, -30f actual temperature. There's that moment where you involuntarily gasp when you walk outside its so cold.", "Yikes. I’m in Canada and -40 to -45 happens a few times a year and it’s damn near unbearable to be out in that and engines hardly run. I can’t wrap my mind around -71 that’s insanity.", "\"guys my skin feels MINTY!!\"\n\n\"oh my God stop saying that you weirdo.\"", "Honestly I've left work early because the AC couldn't keep up. My desk was wet from my own arm sweat.", "Well, different peoples evolved in different regions. You wouldn't expect a desert fox to like it in Siberia.", ">Hot is 'eww, this is uncomfortable and i'm sweaty', while Cold is 'omg, am i going to die?'.\n\nIt's the other way around in northern countries with 21 sunlight hours per day and where homes are built to retain heat and lack A/C.", "-10 at 85% humidity + wind is no joke", "It also gets dark at night in California. One thing that people who prefer hot to cold might not consider is the number of daylight hours. When it gets abnormally hot in northern regions with 21+ sunlight hours per day during summer, the heat is ridiculously unrelenting. It never drops, for months.", "Environment Canada records coldest day per year.", "Link?", "Yeah Russia is ridiculously big. It covers a lot of landmass and cultural variances.", "That first inhalation of -20C air is quite a shock.", "Arcata California", "Oof. Here we always get a few days with -40c dead in the winter and I thought that was crazy cold. I can't imagine -71c.", "Happy frozen Cake Day!", "Image you go out with a hot coffee. Until you go to the car, pop ice coffee!", "It's even worse for electric cars, since they are completely dependent on batteries. An ICE vehicle is can least operate fine once it get's started (the ICE can run in extreme cold, the exhaust can heat the vehicle, and the alternator provides electricity). Being able to plug in to the grid probably helps though. I'm actually surprised she didn't mention keeping something like an electric blanket over the battery to keep it warm, it seems like it would be cheaper than keeping the engine running all winter?", "Nope. I grew up in the cold. Wore thick gloves and thick boots. Doesn't matter. If I'm outside long enough my fingers and toes get cold. AND they don't warm up inside unless I take a hot shower or have the heat blasting. I am perpetually cold in the winter, even indoors and I wasn't about to try to relax inside with full on winter gear on. Thing is I would wear so many layers that I would get hot and sweaty, but my extremities would stay cold. And it's not exactly acceptable to wear a ski mask everywhere.. especially indoors. Although I did tend to wear fingerless gloves when relaxing inside. Still only helped so much.\n\nSome of us just weren't built for the cold and just seem to have worse circulation. No, I'm not overweight or diabetic or old or underweight either if you're about to blame my freezing extremities on that.", "Haha, but also, the ice water will transfer heat away from his body much faster than the air, so would feel much colder.", "You know what you’re talking about. First off extreme humid heat can result in heat stroke but you have a few hours before it sets in. Dry heat is manageable with water, electrolytes/salt, and shade. If you have salty snacks, water, & shade you will. be okay. \n\nCold down to maybe -20c is manageable with lots of clothing. You do risk frostbite on exposed skin but it will take a while on covered skin. When you get down to -70 it becomes a literal battle for survival. No matter how much you wear you’re always one step away from disaster. Your gloves fall off, you lose your fingers. You step and your foot goes into meltwater under ice you lose your toes. Your lungs can get burned. Everything about the environment is a struggle for existence. \n\nNo thanks. I’ll take the dry heat.\n\nFYI this is from an Eagle Scout that has camped in sub freezing to deadly heat. I remember when our water jugs froze. Since our jugs were plastic there was no way to melt the water. The only reason we survived was we found a fresh water source that wasn’t frozen. Then we had to filter it. Not fun. I camped in 120f with 90 at night and it was hot but I just submerged myself in a creek (with clothes and all) right before bed then went to sleep like a baby under the open stars. \n\nExtreme winter weather is much harder to plan for. \n\nNow as far living in AC/heated buildings. I actually think heating is more efficient and has less issues than AC. Also nothing beats a fire in the fireplace. I also enjoy cooking up a storm. \n\nSo I’d say if you mainly are an indoors person then a cold environment is better, but if you’re a survivalist, heat is easier.", "> How do they get to school?\n\nThrough 15 miles of snow and ice while fighting yeti's and poverty! You think your grandpappy was making this up?? Maybe now you'll have some respect for your geezers!", "Thanks :D", "How does this make sense? If you are in hot weather as simulated in a Sauna well most people find that enjoyable.\r \n\r \nIf you are in cold weather, a little wind and it is painful to your face and eyes. Your nose starts running. Heavy clothes and your body is too hot, and light clothes and you are too cold.\r \n\r \nIt's why humanity mostly lives in hot areas (except deserts because it gets cold at night and too hot in the day with no food/water).", "I think Reddit has a lot of northerners who don't mind layering and are so used to it.", "Cool but have you been to Minnesota?", "You become acclimated to the local weather. If you live in a place that is almost always warm, then even moderately cool weather will feel very cold. If you live in a place that is usually very cold, then it doesn't feel as cold, but a warm day may feel swealtering.\n\nEven just where I live, 50F in the spring feels a lot warmer than 50F in the fall, because I've gotten used to the cold winter and warm summer, respectively.", ">Heavy clothes and your body is too hot, and light clothes and you are too cold.\n\nYou do realize that there's a middle ground, right?", "Apparently even people from very cold countries say it feels colder in the UK despite what the official temperature is. Probably the higher humidity making it a more 'damp' cold and more wind?", "This. I grew up in Florida and was used to 80F range and near 90% humidity year round, always sweating and feeling the weight of the air when you breathe. My first time in a dry climate years later as an adult, I was shocked to feel comfortable in 90F weather and barely break a sweat (or more realistically, sweating, but it actually evaporates off your skin and cools you down vs just soaking you slowly).", "you can also only add so many layers before you literally cant move...", "30 degrees and almost dying... lol. where are you from to have that kind of climatic adaptation?", "It was a 60c change... that's why.", "Ah yes, the Joey Tribbiani technique.", "Why do you say silly things like that? In many situations you often cannot judge the temperature accurately and overlayer or underlayer... That is the point of my comment. Think a little.", "roger that. my caveman brain doesnt work very well this late", "Man. I went to school in northern Ontario and in January it was consistently -20°C and overnight/early morning sometimes as cold as -38°C (that was notably the coldest I remember) and FUCK THAT. Like that was COLD. I couldn't imagine twice or more colder. NOPE.", "The website sucks but all the data is taken from environment Canada. I was mistaken as it hit -35 in 1981 but before that it was 1957. I grew up west of Ottawa and it was always fairly mild winters. Lots of freezing rain which I haven’t really experienced anywhere else I have lived.\n\nhttps://www.currentresults.com/Yearly-Weather/Canada/ON/Ottawa/extreme-annual-ottawa-low-temperature.php", "All good man.\n\n30c is a bit more than I find comfortable anyways though. I'm on the south end of New Zealand. Give me a nice 18c day and I'm good.", "i feel that... and am jealous of your impending summer. enjoy", "You can always put on more layers. You can only take off so many before it becomes indecent exposure.", "i've heard goofy things about arcata's newspaper", "They might be needing to keep the oil from freezing, possibly other parts too. I think gasoline can separate out water from the condensation.", "Imagine the horrors of frozen dingleberries", "It can. I remember my parents putting dry gas into their tanks every so often in the winter to prevent that from happening.", "> permafrost\n\n\"soil, rock or sediment that is frozen for more than two consecutive years.\"\n\nOk, so \"melt\" was the wrong word, \"thaws\" is what I had intended. Thank you!", "> you also wont freeze in space(or rather you will, but very slowly), because there is no air to transfer your heat out\n\nThis depends where in space you are. Radiative heat transfer at ~270+ kelvin is enough to freeze you in minutes if you are in the shadow of the earth or moon, or if you're farther from the sun (roughly past the orbit of Mars). Though this would depend on the color or emissivity of your suit.\n\nYou'd also have to factor in evaporative cooling from your lung fluids boiling into the vaccuum, which would cool you from the inside out.", "Thanks. Hadn't heard of that place.", "The music in this video makes it borderline unwatchable.", "I agree, I love summers. But if it's too hot, I just wanna melt.", "Brazil :)", "God yes. Playing in the snow at -15c in a dry place was fine, but +5c in my super humid hometown is miserable.", "Oh yeah, sunset is at 5pm right now and seasonal depression is just settling in.", "Will yours end this sunday? Mine ended last one, right on Halloween", "my theory is; in hot places you can cool down by taking all of your clothes off, but there's nothing else to take when naked.\n\nin cold you can add more layers, stay inside, or add heaters.", "My roomies at the time were fortunately old friends who were very used to me 😂", "Been to both extremes. Much easier to get warm than it is to cool off, imo.", "Sask hits -50s and +40's in summer. Worst of both worlds.", "I am in new zealand also auckland, and the last few summers are savage if u dont have air conditioning would have to be naked all the time indoors and still sweaty its very odd, I did not even notice the winter it was lovely and easy no flies I just hope theres not gonna be another sweaty summer", "I think it's disingenuous to compare -70 (which is basically as cold as it could ever get on earth), and a hot weather in which you could survive a few hours before heatstroke. I think a more fair comparison is -20c, which isn't as crazy of a low temperature.", "> Sometimes it's colder, and equally sometimes, it's warmer\n\nThat's putting the cart before the horse though.\n\nAn average could mean several mild temperature dips, and one massive temperature spike.\n\nYou definitely got \"average\" mistaken here.", "Alright. That is how statistics work, but not weather, your example quickly becomes absurd. 30 days. 25 days are -45 (the \"norm\" ). (-4525+5x)/30=-38.6\nGives x= -6.6 degrees for five days in the coldest month of the year. \n\nWhat's more likely, that the average is actually representative, and it's warmer and colder an equal amount, or for every month in siberia there occurs a freak phenomenon where the temperate changes 40 celsius for a week and then goes right back again?\n\nAgain, you're right that an average can lie, but weather doesn't fluctuate enough to make the average worthless. Case in point: everyone uses the average in weather statistics.", "The article dismissed that point without calculation or citation. You can do the calculation yourself using the Stefan-Boltzmann equation:\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation#Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law\n\nAssuming you're buck-naked in deep space (human skin has an emissivity near 1 in the relevant wavelengths for ~290K thermal emission,4~40 µm) that equates to ~400 watts of emission. For an 80 kg human, they would need to lose ~80000(4.237+334) = 39 million joules. At a rate of 400 watts, it would take approximately 98000 seconds to freeze all the way through, which is just over 27 hours.\n\nHowever, if you only look at how long it would take to become hypothermic, that's much faster, since there's no latent heat of solidification and only requires a temperature change of 2~7°C. At a rate of 400 watts, it would only take 28 minutes for hypothermia to onset, and 98 minutes for it to become fatal.\n\nThat's all without accounting for evaporative cooling from wet mucosal surfaces (mouth, lungs, sinuses). If you aren't aware, pulling a vaccum on water causes it to cool very rapidly:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BGV7-1lhs\n\nGiven how quickly that happens, that likely drops the time to hypothermia onset down to single-digit minutes.", "My city in BC Canada hit 111°F this summer. A town a couple hours from me was hotter than it's ever been in places like Texas, or Vegas, or Dubai. In Canada! Yay climate change.", "111°F is equivalent to 43°C, which is 317K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Well we get up to 44°c in the summer now apparently. So there's that.", "it depends how your buildings are insulated (or not) and what kind of clothes you have available.\n\nIn nordics we have 200-300mm of insulation on walls and much more on roof + minimum of three layers of insulated glasses in windows. I dont think brits have anything inside walls and one layer of glass?\n\nI have a parka jacket which is very uncomfortable hot in -15°C, but perfect in -25°C.", "Here is an interview with more questions\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yO7CoyHez0&ab\\_channel=RichardCoward", "That's pretty gnarly stuff. I'm not a fan of ecus and the like, more a carburetor guy.", "I think I know what you mean, like: \"damn all this electronical junk in modern cars\". I'm totally with you. I honestly hate it too. My commuting car is a 1996 Polo, and it being basic af with as little doodads as possible is a major reason why lol. But when it comes to modern vehicles and the demands placed on them regarding emissions, safety etc, it's simply no longer possible to build em like they used to.\n\nThat aside I hate carburetors so damn much. Not that they're bad or anything, probably, I just always have the worst luck with them and they make absolutely no sense to me lol. And to make matters worse, every single one is juust* different enough that whatever I managed to learn from the carb on some other vehicle suddenly doesn't seem applicable at all to this one...", "It's all perfectly fine, except I respond to where you invoke a general statement about statistics:\n\n>You're not wrong, that's how an average works.", "I've always wanted to go to Arcata. I regularly look for job postings there. But I've never even been, weird huh. Is it nice?", "I love it, I was born here and went away for college then moved back. It's beautiful, not crowded, no traffic, the people are friendly. It's just a nice place to live." ]	817	videos	I grew up in Yakutia, Siberia - The Coldest Town on Earth (-71°C, -96°F)
https://youtu.be/Pfq-lRteK24	/r/videos/comments/qmdcg6/american_archer_shows_modern_bow_to_hunting_tribe/	[ "Way interesting.", "So much for The Prime Directive!", "> The westerns are laughing because they're enjoying seeing a novel reaction to their equipment, it's like showing a child a new cool toy.\n\nYou people really are the worst. Truly can't help yourself. It's fucking inherent.", "I believe he's referring to the innocence of the tribe, not their status as people or adults. But way to pick the worst possible interpretation.", "Please take your woke racism elsewhere.", "And Botswana became the 52nd state for the price of a compound bow", "It's surprising how weak their pulling strength was.", "I’m not an archer but I’ve shot bows here and there. I recently read that Native American bows typically had about a 40 lb draw and could take down a deer. I’d bet that these were similar. Compound bows can be set much, much higher and the pull feels very different to a traditional bow. It’s probably less about physical strength and more about lack of comfort & their pulling technique", "That's probably around 60-70lb pull to open that bow. And at that strength, you need a certain technique to pull with the back and then \"lock\" your arms in place.\n\nThese guys are used to pulling with the arms and releasing through feeling at a certain pressure, not unlike certain techniques with recurve, which you'd never see in a federated competition, rather in more real life applications like hunting where you'd need certain reaction speeds.", "In a traditional bow the pull weight increases with how far you pull the string. Most compound bows are “front heavy” where it is much harder to pull in the beginning but it is much easier to keep the bow fully pulled back. If you are not used to this it can be quite striking to have that much weight in the first centimeters.", "Not so, compound bows have a trick to them where you have to pull back and push at the same time. Once you do it once or twice it’s easy enough to get. Feels real weird at fist", "If you look at it in simplest terms, it’s so pure", "And now show them the militarized spot robot with a .50 caliber on its back and watch the sudden realization of how fucked they are if the Americans ever realize that the tribe is hiding half a barrel of oil under their land.", "Right, bigger issues like equality rights for transvestites and what color to paint the living room.", "What's your like thesis here man? You're writing all seems kinda sarcastic but without much of a point. What are you trying to get at?", ">I believe he's referring to the innocence of the tribe\n\n>it's like showing a child a new cool toy.\n\nWhat does innocence have to do with a new toy?", "Please curtail your slept on racism, it's tiring.", "The innocence of children numb nuts", "Why is it deleted then? because it's trash.", "\"Slept on racism\" is a meaningless phrase to normal people.", "And you're the new normal? Cool beans.", "I'm a heterosexual white male; there's nothing new about my normal.", "> I'm a heterosexual white male\n\nUH OH Cartman's voice", "Very \"problematic\" thing to be 2021, I know." ]	24	videos	American archer shows modern bow to hunting tribe
https://youtu.be/KLHRjaUBb3o	/r/videos/comments/qmdlzj/almost_pizza_snl/	[ "Without the FDA I think this would be a real thing sold in Dollar General.", "“Nah, you can put tofu on a pizza and still legally call it pizza.” LMFAO", "Like all those food products that can't actually use the name we associate with it, like having to use \"drink\" instead of \"juice\". Or \"choclatey coating\" because they can't legally say chocolate.", "People like you are insufferable.", "Carcinogenic", "You feel attacked don't you? Says something about you more than anything", "\"food-like substance\"", "Well you clearly are having mental issues.", "People like you are insufferable.", "Or chicken wyngz.", "\"If anything, it's getting hotter.\"", "Cheese product", "\"Almost but not entirely unlike tea\"", "This sounds like a Taskmaster task. Make something that is almost pizza, but not quite.", "The from Pfizer thing aged really, really well…", "Anti-Vax in disguise.", "Breyers can no longer call its product ice cream, it's \"frozen dairy dessert\".", "Almost funny", "\"it smells like pizza\"\n\n\"that was their intention\"\n\n\"WHOSE??!!!\"", "Why American humour is so bad.", "Reminded me of [Thats Not Yogurt](https://youtu.be/QoRGJu7xlQA).", "Kind of like how this skit was almost finished.", "> products that can't actually use the name we associate with it\n\nLike read-it. No we don't actually read the articles we discuss.", "B'con bits", "What did it say?", "from Pfizer. lol", "I cant believe its not pizza!", "Disagree whole-heartedly. I'd argue that Pfizer has built a much better reputation for themselves, you know, saving hundreds of thousands of lives.", "Weird, it's almost the exact same sketch. By SNL nonetheless.", "Settle down Pfizer intern", "Hey, they gotta fill air time and not every sketch will be a [hit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaMvsGp3FjU).", "Actually, it jiggles", "Why not both?", "Sorry, I can't hear you over all these antibodies 🤷‍♂️", "I always liked WKUKs version\n\nhttps://youtu.be/KgVo-nHGGJQ", "SNL has fallen off", "Lmao looking back at the old sketches they were so unfunny! They've changed a lot... I guess humor and what society finds funny has evolved. Old sketches were slower and quieter, kinda got bored during the first 30 seconds.", "That’s because this sketch wasn’t live.", "Obviously nobody remembers eating pizza during elementary school.", "I thought the wyngz was because it’s not a wing?", "Fighting words, take it back. School pizza doesn’t need to be real pizza.", "Ah awesome, a /r/conspiracy poster (and unpopularopinion, coronaviruscirclejerk, and more) unironically posts an SNL clip which makes a joke \"from Pfizer\". Never change Reddit.", "At present, that depends on which flavor.", "Circle the wagon folks, a sacred cow is in danger! It’s funny, get over it.", "The sketches have nothing in common except a shared reference to pizza…", "How so?", "That one makes sense because it's made from* cheese. You take cheese, and add extra ingredients to make something else. In the most common case, it's American cheese, which has added ingredients to make it melt very smoothly without the oils separating. But it also applies to cheese spreads like port wine cheese. In both cases, they start out as ordinary cheese that gets augmented.\n\nImitation cheese, on the other hand, is pure shit.", "A reference to a pizza commercial.", "SNL was never good in the first place.", "Kristen Wiig was/is hot", "That’s the joke", "Hader and Wigg are so great", "Karl marx over here seizing the means of production", "Disagree early 90s was peak SNL maybe even the golden age of the show", "\"Hey, it's 100 floors of frights, they're not all gonna be winners!\"", "This looks yummy", "Pfft, do you hate Family Guy for the same reason? Some of my favorite fake SNL commercials take things to absurd lengths. The sketch about having trouble opening a jar and how it leads to murder is the peak of what I love, and you're complaining about.", "guacamole inspired avocado paste", "Hey look, there’s 100 floors of frights, they’re not all going to be winners.", "It's still pretty different. I see the newer one as an updated version of it.", "This is one of my favorite sketches. Bill Hader's delivery is perfect as always.", "Psssst, he’ll never answer you.", "They would just call it pizza.", "“Share and enjoy!”", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MRYnEjMIPU\n\nhttps://youtu.be/h5xqP-aPwOU?t=555\n\n\nEdit: Anyone downvoting these is a straight up shill or didn't even watch. Yes, the vaccine is great, I would encourage everyone to get it if they can. However, Pfizer isn't some glorious bastion of benevolence, and licking a corporations boots just doesn't sit right with me.", "Was that supposed to be funny?", "[Here you go. ](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry)\n\nThe problem is that people who work for the fda often get cushy jobs afterwords at the very organizations they're monitoring. It creates conflict of interests. In this case 57% of the people who left the fda in a 10 year period ended up working for the pharmaceutical companies they were supposed to be regulating", "Ouuch", "That´s exactly what I think of Domino´s pizza.", "No. It was made entirely with the intention of being completely serious. You figured it out.", "Yes, because back in 2019 olden days Pfizer was this cute little pharmacy firm everybody loved.", "Hey c'mon, I mean it's 100 floors of frights, they're not all gonna be winners!", "Customer: Mmmm. I really can't believe it's not butter, haha!\n\nCostco Sample Cart Attendee: \\enthusiastic chuckle\\ That was the intention!\n\nCustomer: Haha, so what is it?\n\nAttendee: ...", "Is this why people don’t trust the vaccine?", "Maybe some people disagree? That being said I would like to try it. Maybe pan fry some with teriyaki sauce and add some pineapple and jalapeños.", "That's interesting, although I don't see how this means the FDA doesn't do anything. I also don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that someone leaves the government to work in the private sector, although I can see the concern.", "From Pfizer!! LMFAO!!", "yes", "It’s not Ice Cream, it’s Frozen Dessert!", "It’s just his excuse not to get a covid vaccine since “I’m waiting fo FDA approval” doesn’t work anymore", "It's so true that the taped segments are the best on SNL", "This sketch is from years ago what are you talking about lol", "Isn't it possible that they just remain in a field that's similar to the one they were in and know? I would expect a lot of people who were security forces for the Air Force to pursue law enforcement jobs after they got out, for example", "Depressed lesbians are generally humorless.", "Floors and flights and something and hundreds and winners.", "That sounds amazing to be honest.", "Whatever happened to just run of the mill, funny sketches like this with SNL?\n\nIt seems like every bit has a guest star and has to be related to something. Why not just something funny?", "Dream team.", "There have been a number of SNL writers in recent years who have been accused/discovered to have plagiarized old SNL sketches.", "Task: Make something that tastes exactly like pizza using no pizza ingredients.\n\nI go to this place called Love Sushi in my area. They have a 'Pizza' sushi roll. It is delicious and it tastes exactly like a slice of pepperoni pizza. The flavor has elements of the cheese, sauce, pepperoni, and even the bread. (But definitely not the texture.)\n\nFrom their menu description: Tempura Fried, Spicy Tuna, Crab, Cream Cheese, Eel Sauce, House Sauce, Masago, Green Onion", "Timely...", "kind of a trip, huh", "Nah, they would just leave out the description and hope people would mentally infer the word. Sort of like Country Crock.", "I love right at the end the daughter lifts up the pizza box and you can clearly see on the bottom that it's actually a DiGiorno pizza they put a fake cover over.", "Yes they are", "Everything is better with Phil Hartman's voice", "I miss Phil Hartman. (For the younger generation, he's the narrator in the sketch and the voice of a bunch of characters in the Simpsons. Also Billy West based his Zapp Brannigan character on Hartman since he was the original choice for the character before he was killed.)", "Que \"what up with that?\". I actually kind of love that one because the whole point was they were stretching it way to far. I loved that they brought it back recently because Jason Sedeikis was hosting and they just needed to have red jumpsuit dancing guy.", "Obligatory fuck Andy Dick.", "r/thatsthejoke", "I remember “Mexican pizza” which was like 6-sided, had I think cheddar cheese on it and ground beef and sauce. I wonder if they still have that and if they can even call it that anymore.", "Agreed. Even sex.", "Yeah, the older one is totally missing the sinister/supernatural quality of the new one. It's just an announcer guy being annoying with his vagueness and question dodging. Throw in [Happy Fun Ball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmqeZl8OI2M&ab_channel=SaturdayNightLive) and then we're in business.", "Yeah but the Air Force doesn't oversee law enforcement and decide which police departments can make or lose billions of dollars by their decisions. I agree many of them are in the same field though but it's problematic to have that relationship in an organization that is supposed to be neutral and making decisions that impact millions of Americans' health. How can we assume their decisions are not biased, even unconsciously by not wanting to piss off someone who can offer them what I assume is more money and better perks than the public sector if this or that decision works more in their favor. It's very similar to how upset we all get when we see some politician get a great gig for some company after they leave office and oh they just happened to pass a law that made that company billions. It's not a good look.", "Holy shit it's an SNL video that's available in my country!", "The downvotes are because you wrote \"slaps\", \"tbh\", and used no punctuation.", "wait wait, from pfizer? LOL", "Chuckle", "#DEPRESSED LESBIANS ARE GENERALLY HUMORLESS!", "Yeah, random conspiracy theorist YouTubers. That's really where we should be getting our information from...", "Damn that was good", "All this skit needs is Keenan Thompson coming in at the end and doing an over the top reaction /s", "You can't forget the Real Deal with Bill McNeal.", "I can already see it now...\n\nFaux John's FlatDoughs", "Also obligatory, God Bless Jon Lovitz", "Haha and at the end \"from pfizer\"", "Now with 100%-natural-style beef flavor!", "or [Pizza Bagels](https://youtu.be/KgVo-nHGGJQ)", "Just needed like 15 pages of side effects in small print read by a speed talker", "My thoughts exactly, I have worked in the regulatory part of Pharma and someone with experience from that side is a great asset.", "I refuse to believe American \"cheese\" has any basis in cheese that's not a hundred fold removed.\n\nIt just tastes like chemicals and sadness", "Do you realize sir that you are not drinking regular coffee but Columbian decaffeinated coffee crystals?", "Oh, I see. I actually didn't think of that since I tend to associate anti-covid vax with those who are also pro-capitalist; whether or not that's the case I don't know.\n\nI honestly wasn't sure because I follow biotech a lot and the FDA has a shitload of power, so wanted to know where they were coming from. Although, deep down I figured it was just rhetoric.", "Father Mac's by the Slice - Pepperoni", "The shatter! 🤣", "[Oh oh oh Omega Mart! You have no idea what's in-store for you!](https://youtu.be/gnphD0ePokc)", "Lol what?\n\nEDIT: A guy that thinks that the words \"depressed lesbian\" are somehow a witty/funny joke ?¿ (or an insult?) just called me humorless... Oh the irony!", "Reminded me of the last Start wars movie. Its almost in star wars universe! \n\n\nSorry i had to say it!", "Everything besides Andy Dick is better...", "Maybe you've never had good, deli-style American cheese.\n\n> Modern American cheese is a type of processed cheese developed in the 1910s made from cheddar, Colby, or similar cheeses.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese", "Lol Dominos ad before the video", "Shut up glowie.", "Almost Ice Cream otherwise known as \"frozen dairy dessert\"", "Nah that's not it. I love pretty much all kinds of cheese except American. \n\nI do know Kraft is like trash tier American but I've also had it at other places and tho it's better than Kraft/non deli it's still not nearly as good as cheddar or other cheeses. It does taste more like cheese than Kraft but less like cheese than every single other cheese I've had. It's just too chemically tasting. \n\nI get the same thing with bottled water. I can taste the plastic from the bottle that leeches into the water. Most people can't.", "Random conspiracy theorist youtubers? Who?", "why cant i figure out who the ad voice is", "Steve Higgins. He's also Jimmy gallons Co ghost", "Were you a teenager/young adult in the early 90’s?", "Just another one of their products that won’t go into my body lol", "That’s how these idiots get their misinformation It’s fucking sad.", "Phil Hartman" ]	141	videos	ALMOST Pizza! -SNL
https://youtu.be/lK3pLyCDdzg	/r/videos/comments/qmdrt8/highlights_qanon_jfk_jr_event/	[ "I stumbled upon this YouTuber, The Flutternater- that live streamed 5 hours of the QAnon Dallas JFK Jr. event yesterday (Nov. 2) . Here are some of the candid interviews and reactions he witnessed. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/lK3pLyCDdzg", "These people are lucky breathing is autonomic.", "When the world can’t laugh at us even more there are these guys doing an encore.", "Soo what did they do when nothing happened?", "The people who didn't pass elementary school math sure have complicated equations.", "Now I can understand why they love TFG speaking style so much. Most of that was in incomplete sentences.", "Dem Antifa captured him and put him in a secret underground bunker. obviously /s", "Day drinking", "Move the goalposts.", "Surely them goalposts are getting VERY heavy by now!", "These folks talk about hospitals just makes me deeply sad.", "“JFK Jr. and JFK died for this”. What the fuck?", "The term village idiot was always singular... But the internet introduced them to each other and this is the result. \n\nThat was way more rediculous than I was expecting.", "Well, like the rest of it, they're all imaginary, so it depends on how much \"poor me\" the snowflake moving it needs to express.", "With JFK and Elvis.\n\nWait, what?", "To be fair, that was back when JFK was Nixon's VP and Jr. was still in the Canadian production of \"Grease\".", "We are definitely seeing the village idiots. It's a shame they won't let us help them, really.", "It's incredible that there isn't one coherent thought in this video. The one dude telling people not to go to the hospital? Wtf is that?", "The Internet, it brings people together to help share their voices. In the future, everyone will get a chance to share their thoughts with strangers 1000’s of miles away. Think of the possibilities. \n\n-1995", "For the children.", "Sure these people aren't necessarily the typical Trumpster but the typical Trumpster is also pretty damn batty and definitely don't discourage the nonsense being spewed here.", "Don't worry, they did the Gemotry on it, it's all coded and makes sense.", "They are either mentally unwell, knowingly trolling, desperately delusional, or retarded.", "Thank you for your service.", "It's gemotry, you wouldn't get it.", "My goodness gracious, muthafuckin, snakes alive. \n\nLee Harvey Oswald is Biden? Cain and Abel were cannibals? Blowing up tunnels everywhere to harvest children? WTF????\n\nIs this satire? A comedy sketch? What's the point of all this? Who are they \"fighting\"? Idiocrocy was funny, this is scary. And sad, this country is truly fucked up and fucked. Damn.....", "I can't listen to these cunts anymore. I'm out", "I'm still convinced that \"Q\" was a troll posting the most ridiculous shit he could, and the joke got waaay out of hand.", "One might say the internet said \"village idiots, assemble!\" And now it's idiot village.", "So, what you're saying is the village idiot has become the idiot village? Thanks internet.", "At least they will stay home if they’re sick. But I had no idea they were against Remdesivir.", "No joke. I stopped when the second lady used \"trafficted\" like it was a real word.", "\"people are going to say we're crazy\"\nYes.", "These people think the maze on the back of the lucky Charms box is coded purely because they can't seem to solve it.", "Well, he doesn't want them to die, duh", "This is the typical Trumpster", "I understand his grief, but his stupidity is going to get other mothers killed. I bet he's anti-mask/vax as well, meaning it's his own actions that contributed to her death. I doubt they will ever make the connection, their brain won't allow it.", "I liked his horse.", "Somebody scrolled down this whole thread and downvoted all the comments on here so far, but don't worry I got y'all lol", "No, see, the conspiracy is the people who want to mandate vaccines and give them monoclonal antibodies. The people who want them to refuse testing, miss their treatment window, stay home and try to wait it out, die at home if they have to but don't go to a hospital, all to avoid contributing to the \"statistics\" are the good guys.", "Goddamn doctors spent 10 years in school for the scam. Little did they know, we have Telegram. Checkmate baby eaters.", "I hope that lady in the red coat who's looking over her shoulder every 2 seconds to see if big foot or the Clintons are behind her gets some help for her mental health sometime soon", "Reminds me of the time I went to a family reunion in Canada at my dad's cousin's house. Dude seemed perfectly normal until you got him on the subject of politics, then it was just Katy bar the door. \n\nI don't remember all of what he said, it was about 30 years ago, but one part I do remember is that the Soviet Union was set up by the Queen to serve as a way to balance American power in the 20th century. There was plenty of other shit too. \n\nApparently the dude was a big Lyndon Larouche supporter and, according to his wife at any rate, he was pretty normal until he went missing for 3 days. Work called her about it on the first day but then didn't do anything after that and when he came back he didn't know where he had been or even that he had been gone but he was full of all kinds of crazy theories about this sort of stuff. I'm not sure how true any of that was, other than the Larouche thing, but he was spewing some serious crap after.", "Bingo. Exactly!" ]	45	videos	Highlights: QAnon JFK Jr Event
https://youtu.be/tREOeneo7gY?t=78	/r/videos/comments/qme4pd/leonardo_da_vincis_best_painting_is_not_the_mona/	[ "not sure that was ever the debate. Clearly it's the most Renowned painting of Leonardo da Vinci", ">The only thing unique about this painting is the price tag.\n\nCheck some 2021 NFT's ... old = 0 years, complexity = some are literally done in paint (the windows app), price = some got already at a few million dollars. \n\nIf the classics seem overpriced , welcome to the new age of post modernism approach to art :)", "What i hate about people who analyses art is how arrogant they are. If you listen to the narrator, they are 100% certain they KNOW what Leonardo was thinking. Take for ex the pyramid... start drawing your own lines to things and you will NOT get a pyramid. You will get that if you decide that it has to be a 3D pyramid, at an angle, projected to a 2D surface. If you say \"it is roughly triangular\" you would be right. But this is not how these people talk, they say it like they KNOW everything. They don't. The lamb symbolizes something to THEM, this does not mean any other interpretation isn't equally valid. \n\n\nArt analysis has a place but the way they do it is insufferably arrogant. No one knows what Leonardo meant by all of this, and maybe he didn't mean anything. You can write gibberish and have someone say for a fact that it is the works of a genius. We should never claim we know for certain but it is really, really fascinating to hear the guesses and the different interpretations... as long as they are not said to be facts.", "The video isn’t about that, it’s just an attention-grabbing title. The video itself was really interesting and definitely not “nonsense”." ]	4	videos	Leonardo da Vinci's Best Painting (Is Not The Mona Lisa)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Io-kungHQA	/r/videos/comments/qmebci/c17_landing_and_takeoff_in_the_desert/	[ "I bet too much sand getting into a turbine could cause real problems, definitely r/interestingasfuck", "Woah", "I believe I read in a thread once that this is actually an issue, and that's why turbines and wings are much higher on military planes like these. In comparison to a domestic plane, they're much higher because they typically are used in rural places like these instead of paved airstrips.", "I used to work on aircraft and all I can say is \"CORROSION CONTROL!\"", "Tell me more", "Just don't try to hold onto the side of the plane", "\"Times and places never to insert your contact lenses\"" ]	7	videos	C17 landing and takeoff in the desert
https://youtu.be/BK77Kbya8eY	/r/videos/comments/qmffs1/a_candid_moment_of_bo_burnham_listening_to_phoebe/	[ "Goddammit, I keep thinking Phoebe Bridgers is Phoebe Waller-Bridge. I was so confused.", "This song reminds me so much of Sufjan Stevens style, I love it.", "Bo doesn't strike me as the type of dude who would appreciate being filmed without consent like this.", "Hipster paradise.", "Probably not but I think it was relatively respectfully done. Didn't focus on him just a quick pan over and didn't linger on it, it was like 4 seconds. The smile on his face was pretty awesome though, I'd hope that in this instance he didn't mind it too much.", "I also think he's savvy enough to know it's gonna happen.", "Well, it happened. We’re all just gonna have to get over it.", "I thought complaining about hipsters was from an actual decade ago?", "Waller-Bridge directed a music video for Bridgers. [Savior Complex](https://youtu.be/VJlR3pvgLQA)", "Well well look whos outside again", "Agreed. 99% focus on the performance.\n\nBesides, he's an artist more than a comedian, honestly. His struggle for over a decade is being an artist and creating something new, exciting and different because there's just so much mindless shit out there. Anyone can do BS crowd work or \"the difference between men and women\" yokel comedy.\n\nIt makes sense that he'd enjoy a cover of his work that has its own artistic spin on it, that people are singing along to and generally vibing (and laughing at because it's good!).", "DAMN that was exciting!", "Must be weird.", "I agree with you 100% but also think one of your examples is funny since he has a song called Men and Women", "That guy was making fun of hipster before it was cool", "Well, yeah, but it's not just somebody being like \"Ugh, my wife. Why are women so different blah blah blah\"", "She's not? :/", "Is there a full video to this?", "Who does strike you as someone who would appreciate it?", "First I've heard this song, watched this and listened to the original. What a great song, and wow... pretty dark! \n\nReminds me a bit of \"Apart Together\" by Tim Minchin, in that is a pretty awesome, darker song from someone I'm used to hearing more upbeat, comedic stuff from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNfkYvh214", "This song is brilliant it puts into words the dread of these big problems in a beautiful way, very relatable unfortunately.", "This reminds me of every single high school talent show we had. Every single one was just full of white chicks singing and playing simple guitar or ukelele chords. She even painfully slowed down the already slow song. \n\nDon't worry I'm totally not mad just because I love the special too much that I think it shouldn't be covered like this.\n\nBo doesn't seem to be enjoying it.", "Why the disappointment? You just learned there’s an additional cool person in the world than you previously believed.", "> Bo doesn't seem to be enjoying it.\n\nYeah, he must really be suffering through it with that huge smile on his face.", "Her cover of That Funny Feeling [is on Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/track/30y5OpD8TPAru2wsyZDD4S?si=7be4e5d4a33f4ef6) if anyone wants the full/recorded version.", "Not sure there's a full video of the performance, but the full version of her cover is [on spotify here.](https://open.spotify.com/track/30y5OpD8TPAru2wsyZDD4S?si=7be4e5d4a33f4ef6)", "Oh great another bs Bo Burnam thread to be downvoted in the hundreds for. Here we go again.\n\n\nBo burnam sucks ass you weiners", "What a strange hill to die on.", "If your name ends in Kardashian it's the only thing that you live for while at the same time pretending it's not.", "Still very much alive", "Imagine defining your personality by things you DONT like, making sure that everyone knows it.", "I'm just curious why you go out of your way to tell everyone your opinion on him specifically. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore the threads and let people enjoy what they enjoy?", "Most B-List celebrities trying to stay relevant?", "Umm... because i can? Its a free forum? I havent stopped hearing people opinion on trump since 2014", "Qould you like to hear what i like?", "I'm not saying you aren't allowed to comment or shouldn't be, I'm asking you why you spend the energy and time to go into these threads of content you don't enjoy just to tell others that they shouldn't enjoy it. What are you gaining exactly?", "Im not. You are gaining by hearing different opinions. Some people feel bo burnam sucks and other want to suck bo burnam. Different strokes for different folks.", "Exactly, people like different things. So again, my question is why do YOU spend your time getting upset at his content, going into threads, and shit talking him, instead of just ignoring it. It seems like you would be a lot happier.", "# BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!", "It really is genius. I'm glad to see its being covered. Could really be the anthem of an entire generation.", "It’s also got some David Foster Wallace vibes haha.", "No, nobody asked. That's the point.", "Im not upset.. and im actually very content with my level of happiness. Dont you think thats extremely offensive to assume my happiness?", "They dont have to ask? Nobody asked about your personal opinion about him either. Anyone for that matter. Idc that you like him. Same coin.", "People like what they like, who are you to judge? Sorry you are so unhappy", "https://youtu.be/jHijpw6F5hA", "Wow first time hearing Tim's song there. Incredible stuff.", "Bo strikes me as someone who wouldn’t care about people recording and having fun at a concert", "I would like to hear what you like.", "I believe they are the same person in Death Stranding, but the narrative is a little confusing.", "Politicians actually effect your life. It is reasonable to shit on politicians. That's kind of what Western Civilization is all about.\n\nEntertainers just put out content, and you can consume it or not. Plenty of people here don't like The Bachelor, but you don't see us going into The Bachelor threads just to start shit. We just... don't watch The Bachelor.", "I like fishing.", "The essence of trolldom is annoying others with your words. It’s not much deeper than that - may get happiness from it, but usually not.", "Im not in a bachelor thread. Its on r/videos... i didnt go to the Bo Burnam non comedian sub. Its readily available for me to comment", "You are on a Bo Burnham thread. You aren't on a Bo Burnham subreddit.", "That background behind the stage is horrible.", "Its not a I LOVE BO BURNAM! GUYS QATCH IT HERE AND POST WHY YOU LOVE HIM!", "That’s nice. I was more curious about what music you liked, though.", "Bo is that you?", "Ha... donald trump is a pedophile, and a traitor.", "That explains why your comments are so boring.", "I enjoy reggae", "No", "Ok", "Makes no sense.", "Fishing sucks ass you weiner.", "Go outside.", "That’s pretty ironic considering that reggae music is all about love and spreading happiness, and you’re being a hateful asshole.", "I love Phoebe Bridgers! First time she hit my radar was her album with Conor Oberst. He’s one of my favorite artist so I immediately dived into her work.", "Man.. we were doing so well. Reggae is about love and happiness. Why i listen to it and no bo burnams trash", "Went out to look for a reason to hide again", "More like after it was cool.", "\"Oh great another bs Bo Burnam thread to be downvoted in the hundreds for. Here we go again.\" - u/Stocktrades470", "I got a funny feeling watching this.", "Coping with how he feels about stuff like this is kind of the entire point of Inside to be honest.", "Yes", "\"a gift shop at the gun range, a mass shooting at the mall\" is a fuckin genius line", "The entire special is a masterpiece. No entertainment has ever resonated with me as deeply as this did. The progression of his material from 2008 till now is a perfect expression of the millennial coming of age and mindset. I have never heard my internal anxieties and worldview expressed so perfectly and completely", "wow this title sucks. its literally 1 second of bo, and the rest of just the live performance.", "Do you think he disassociated listening to someone else publically sing his song about disassociation that he wrote while trapped inside alone?", "It's a TV test pattern, back in the day they'd show it in the middle of the night when they didn't have programming", "I feel slightly the opposite. \n\nOf course everything I am about to say is nothing more than a projection of my own interpretation. \n\nBut the way I see it is that Bo mentions he left because the anxiety was getting to him. He comes back years later and pours his heart out into a project where he gives the audience a very vulnerable open window into him confronting himself, his insecurities, and his loneliness. \n\nAnd people connected to it. Especially at a time like this when a lot of people are lonelier than they ever have been. So now a musician friend invited him to a show where she will be covering his song and he shows up and finds an entire crowd who resonated so deeply with the emotion he encapsulated that they took the time to hear it, connect with it, and memorize it and sing it back. Whether they knew he was in the crowd or not.\n\nThat blows me away.", "I've always appreciated White Wine in the Sun. Though it's still has his usual wit it's a lot more meaningful and sentimental than some of his other songs.", "That's the last thing you want to think about when you're seeing any kind of performance, especially for socially anxious people. This wasn't that bad though but still, leave people alone, he's not in your service or public service.", "I don't get it. Can anyone explain what this video is about? Thx\n\nedit: Thanks!", "I don't know who this Guy is, gonna have to Google him,, so is this girl singing his song or something", "TBF, if an event like this required vaccines I'd feel 100% comfortable attending.\n\nThis coming from someone who postponed my wedding a full year due to the pandemic, and then changed it last-minute again because not enough people were vaccinated for me to feel comfortable being in an intimate space with them.", "Whether we like it or not!\n\nI'd prefer it didn't have to be.", "They literally panned to him for maybe 4 seconds. They were focused on the performer here, not Bo", "I absolutely agree and it's incredible how every song is a banger while also being slapstick funny while also having layers. \n\nBut this song in particular is some modern day Dylan. So beautiful, so terrifyingly sad.", ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNfkYvh214\n\nI discovered who Tim Minchin was because 12 years or so ago Bo Burnham had him as one of his influences on his youtube bio.", "This is a great song but I'm surprised so many in the crowd apparently know all the words. Cool moment for sure!", "_meta_", "They're all great. \n\n\"The whole world at your fingertips the ocean at your door\" gives me chills.", "Go to Netflix and checkout Inside.", "Also they're friends, she first performed it on a comedy club they were both performing that night. \n\nChrist some fucking people and their need for outrage.", "Okay thanks I'll check it out thankyou", "Dude in the crowd that you see for a second is Bo Burnham - he wrote the song the artist is singing, called “Funny Feeling”. It was part of his special on Netflix called Inside", "I remember being like 9 years old and my cousins came to visit one day. I felt so 'off' all day, it was like my normal self that likes to joke around and laugh just wasn't there. I remember saying at the end of the day \"today didn't feel real\". I've had that same feeling at different points throughout my life, sometimes it lasts for an hour or so, sometimes all day. I never knew what it was until I heard this song and googled 'derealization'. Did not like what I found but it's nice to have some answers I suppose.", "It's a weird one especially if you don't know Bo, but just go in with an open mind. Hope you enjoy it!", "Bo Burnham seems to get better the more he divests from comedy. I can't tell if that is a compliment or an insult, but he has been around since the 2000's, right? so its nice to see him find a foothold somewhere.", "One of the many lines in the song you laugh at to keep back the crushing dread of it all.", "Well. I'm from.The UK so not sure if its an American thing or maybe Im Just clueless, but generally here in UK I've not come across this guys name before to be honest", "I love Conor Oberst so much. Ruminations is one of my top all-time albums.", "At a concert the performer covers a song and that song's original writer/performer happens to be in the audience watching his song get covered.", "Correct. Guy in the thumbnail wrote the song and is in the audience as it gets covered", "A lot of the show isn’t about Covid, but about Bo’s retreat from the world in general. It’s about his relationship/ divide with his audience and his inability to reconcile his anxiety and desire to perform. A lot of the reasons he’s “inside” have nothing to do with COVID.", "Yeah it seems like the band and crew are just taking a break, pretty common for longer concerts", "Thanks man, i genuinely didn't know who he was, as this guy isnt well known in the UK", "A little uncanny gets me every time. Fuck Ronald Reagan!", "I enjoy that he has shit to say, but unlike every other male comedian these days it isn't just \"I should be free to say whatever noxious shit I want to without any consequences or criticism.\"", "thanks!", "But then it would need to be about 40 hours longer and mostly about tennis.", "Not American either, he's somewhat niche but the newest special has been all over. No matter, just appreciate the kismet ;)", "I'm gonna check out the Netflix thing", "See, i find this version of him that is getting this recent success to be reallllly cliche overall. like talking about how its hard to facetime your mom or saying that if you look at history its actually filled with terrible events is just...so stale. \n\nWelcome to the Internet could have came out in 2009, and the whole \" The song is called something sad but is really upbeat!\" thing is just...\n\nhey, if that is someones thing, more power to them. I just meant to say I am glad he at least found a way to make this work even if he didnt say a single new idea in his entire special.\n\nLike he isn't doing a bad job or anything if you like that sort of thing.", "I don't know who that ~~girl~~ woman (I looked her up and she is 27) is but I bet she could make Baby Got Back sound deep, depressing and transcendent.", "Y’all are thinking a bit too hard about this", "I miss Christopher Hitchens…", "well well buddy you found it", "r/iamverysmart", "Nah, if you read it and boil it down, I am just saying its a matter of taste.", "I think maybe it’s because he finally feels like he’s old enough to voice his opinions full stop.", "It’s between this song or Lake Street Dive - Making Do. Sounds slightly more uplifting, but with a similarly dark message...", "Could be, glad he found something that works.", "This is a very funny joke", "There are way more nuances in his special that have to do with the very specific time it was created in. His monologue during All Eyes On Me couldn’t have been made at any earlier time, and it reflected how millions of us felt.", "I’d imagine hearing an entire auditorium singing along to your song is a pretty funny feeling. \n\nBo should do just a musical album. Funny Feeling is a terrific song and I bet he has more in him.", "This is the most karen shit lol.\n\nI'm sure he's probably seeing this on reddit, a quick glance at him and then spotlighting an artist he's grateful is honoring him in this way, reading your comment and being like,\n\n\"-uh yeah, it's fine.\"", "Like I said, I saw it did well so it obviously was for some group out there.", "bo is approaching jeff mangum level of legendary", "Oh cool so you’re saying you didn’t watch the actual video cause you didn’t mention anything about just the title in your original comment", "Still don’t get the Pepsi halftime show line. Is it just having a sponsored event unrelated to Pepsi or football that’s weird?", "Stale how? Who else is saying these kinds of things? Who else is doing these kinds of songs? Maybe these are things that seem \"obvious\" upon listening to them, but they're fresh in terms of art that's actually been released.", "Not really. Your comment comes off much more strongly as trying to manufacture a sense of superiority by denigrating a popular piece of media as \"beneath you\" via thin and superficial criticism.", "Ugh I hate when people in the audience sing along to a quiet song. Like, I’m not here to hear YOU. And this isn’t choir practice.", "\"didn't say a single new idea\" sounds like more than a matter of taste. Actually, now that I've typed that out, you considering that to be a matter of taste is pretty /r/iamversmart", "Not really. Sorry.", "Nah, sorry if you read it like that. I also enjoy media, and i view that media as equal to the media i dont like. It's all a matter of opinion as to what is actually good.", "I guess that's just a matter of taste.", "okay, at face value, tell me what about a song that has a point of \"old people struggle with new technology\" ísn't stale? Is that the first time you have heard that sentiment? Same with \"Welcome to the internet\" , is anything in that song truly the first time you have heard the idea? \n\nI mean, I guess it's possible, but it kind of seems obvious that the joke territory here isn't new.", "Yup.", "there it is again...", "Yea, he obviously plays well to people who aren't interested in original ideas.", "> Is it just having a sponsored event unrelated to Pepsi or football that’s weird?\n\nProbably that and it's all about ever increasing, ridiculous levels of spectacle", "My personal interpretation is he's mentioning things that take up space as \"discourse,\" and often get treated with just as much fervor and focus as the impending doom of the climate, despite not being meaningful at all, which results in the exhausting cognitive dissonance that creates the \"funny feeling.\" So the Pepsi half-time show, female Colonel Sanders, the live action Lion King, these things are being mentioned not necessarily because they're outright good or bad, but because they're part of the absurd, poorly-prioritized \"discourse\" that we're subjected to. They're relatively meaningless things that everyone's yelling about. At least that's how I saw it.", "I wont sign off on that, but I will with the wording: \"He plays well to people who are interested in ideas that are not original to me.\".\n\nI'll have my lawyer call yours.", "Ummm… Who else made a comedy special on their own in a single room that made us laugh and cry at the same time?", "God I am so in love with Phoebe Bridgers", "Sorry, should have left an /s. Was making fun of this dweeb.", "Also the whole Inside special (all the songs) is on Spotify IIRC", "He's definitely on that George Carlin trajectory", "Its not church either, its a concert. Put on the album if you don't want the live experience. The crowd is part of the live experience", "lmao it's telling that you both met and instantly had a miscommunication haha nice job, guys.", "I think a lot of people started facetime-ing their parents over quarantine bc before you'd just see them in person. None of this special is \"stale\" if you see it through the lense of someone trying desperately to connect while in the near-total isolation of covid lockdown.\n\nIt's the first time all of us were in this situation simultaneously, so it is in fact remarkably fresh.", "That doesn't make the idea fresh , IMO.", "Great interpretation. That’s how I feel about it too, but you put it in words perfectly", "Agreed.", "Better Oblivion Community Center is so good from beginning to end. Punisher was the only album I listened to for almost a year since it came out.", "It doesn't feel stale though because it's relating to what for many of us was/is a very new experience.", "Googling derealization, hating what you find…..", "Netflix has 209+ millions subscribers, and this is a concert of Phoebe Bridger fans, who loved the cover she did of his song. Doesn't seem that surprising.", "I know i had to delete it last time because of your edit, but I agree. \n\nThe people like you, with the new experience? This isn't going to feel stale to you. it's a matter of opinion or taste or whatever you would personally like to call it.", "What is that telling of? That sarcasm is hard to detect over text? I know you’re not much of a deep thinker, but come on", "Big Bo Burnham fan, huh?", "Bo who? I like this song", "oh if you liked this, I suggest googling him. /s", "I was being sarcastic. It’s telling that we just met and you instantly misunderstood me, haha /s", "I also replied sarcastically haha wow. I even added /s for you so you wouldn't miss it again. That is how it works on Reddit, btw.", "Oh haha I was being sarcastic too. I also added the /s late. Learn how to communicate please", "I know you were... hence my reply being sarcastic. tough day, huh?", "No you were clearly wrong. You must struggle with communicating a lot", ".....Nah. Sorry, man. \n\nYou could go back and add a \"/s\" if you wanted like the one I used when I was being sarcastic back, but I knew you were being sarcastic.", "That's fair. I guess I think of it more along the lines of the \"nothing new under the sun\" line (which for some reason I thought was Aristotle but come to find out is from the Bible). If you look at just the constituent parts, nothing really is original and everything seems derivative. It's the particular combination of content and context within a work that makes it \"unique\" or not.\n\nBut yes, the \"originality\" and \"value\" of anything is up for debate depending on your taste. The people who look for the stale and unoriginal parts of something first are generally labeled as pessimistic and/or cynical but their criticism is valuable too.", "It's pretty telling that you have multiple posters thinking you're arrogant. Wonder if it's the way you speak?", "I am definitely being arrogant towards you though so I would agree there.", "I could see that, but also using those labels without talking to someone about other topics might be kind of jumping the gun, considering you would need more to go on then just that one topic to label someone pessimistic or cynical as a person.", "I feel like you're targeting one specific joke in an entire special. I know it was just an example but I really don't think the staleness extends throughout the special. It doesn't even extend through that song. That song is about how funny it is that facetiming with your mom could be the highlight of your day. Then there are \"mom jokes/old people\" sprinkled throughout it. But that song was the low point of the special. \n\nWhite girl Instagram, that funny feeling, welcome to the internet, how the word works, all eyes on me are all masterful either for comedy or songwriting. The special touched on existential dread, anxiety, current social discourse, and was somehow light and dark as the same time. \n\nObviously it's fine if you didn't like it, it was certainly hard to watch at times, but I can't really get behind a the criticism that it was \"stale\".", "Sure man, that was the arrogant bit.", "Darrell Kardashian can't get a job anywhere and just wants to feed his children. Won't somebody film him? Won't someone think of the children?", "yeah, but I feel like \"masterful\" for this special is so far out of left field that we probably just have entirely different opinions as to what good comedy even is. \n\nStill, glad it found its audience. Bo seems like a nice guy.", "I agree to the extent that I think he's also just a reasonable person, and knows that by sitting in the general audience of a show like this he's prone to something like this here. And that being said, it's a fairly tame/modest \"invasion of privacy\", given that it's only a quick short pan to his face and then back away after.", "Just a heads up, I usually reserve it for people who would do something like ignoring a post and then commenting with a snarky link to a sub...\n\nso you know, I stand by the reasoning. You keep bringing it up so I hope that gives you a full view into where i was coming from.", " The Potential Sensations of Utmost Hilarity, Once and Henceforth More", "Cant argue that.", "None of that was illustrated in your original comment.", "Bridgers is an industry plant who makes decent music that is super boring to watch live. She was so very very very very very boring. It’s insane how little energy she puts into it. Why does everyone love her out of no where? I don’t understand", "See, the fact that you lack the introspection to know the arrogant bit was the original post is pretty telling.", "The original post isn't, you are just being sensitive. \n\nThanks for weighing in though, this was fun.", "He literally just had a special about how social media and our phones are destroying our lives and this is just an example of it. It's like if someone posted a pic like \"saw Bo Burnham today!\" And it was just a candid shot of him crossing the street or something.", ">hey, if that is someones thing, more power to them. \n\n\nThat is the part you are looking for. \"more power to them\" means I view it as valid but it's not for me, and the \"thing\" in that sentence is obviously the media.", "Sorry, I don't mean to call you a cynic, as I think you're giving genuine, good-faith criticism. I was trying to concede the value of criticism in challenging artists to improve, and acknowledge that many people will dismiss good-faith criticisms as cynical.", "The special is about the peculiarities of life during quarantine. Regular video conferences with loved ones has become a very common routine during these strange times, and dealing with boomers' general ineptitude when it comes to these sorts of technologies a much more persistent irritation. The song also touches on the emotional emptiness of many such conversations (describing an entire conversation about nothing more than his mom's hair being wet, or how the brief exchange with his father is the \"deepest talk they've ever had\"), playing into the theme of social isolation and emotional disconnection that runs through the entire special.\n\nAs I've said elsewhere, you come across as someone who's seen a few of these clips on Instagram or Tiktok and is seeking to get self-gratification out of a contrarian stance on a popular media piece. Your critiques have no particular thought or substance to them, speaking to nothing more than a desire to dislike a thing because it's popular. Like hating on a trendy boy band just because it's what all the popular girls are listening to.", "Did she know he was listening along?", "Definitely. Many comedians try to emulate that, but he's one of the few that has something genuinely novel and insightful to say. I think because he came up on YouTube and understands the particular pressures of that platform, he understands much better than many other popular comedians out there the particularly insidious threat that social media poses to the younger generations. Hearing him talk about it on podcasts and such, you hear that he has very genuine fears and concerns on this topic that he's expressing through his comedy (in addition to some likewise genuine-seeming discussions of how they've affected his own mental health and well-being).", "\"This thing is stupid and derivative because r/iamsosmart, but if stupid and derivative is your thing then more power to you.\"", "Taking videos at a concert is not why Bo thinks social media is destroying our lives. It’s a really cool moment to see. You’re being obtuse", "It's a cool moment to see in person, sure. But not every single thing you see has to be shared with everyone. I think that's one of the points he was trying to make.", "The album from his latest special is very good if you haven’t heard all of it", "sounds like fan bias", "A thousand redditors have watched this from their homes and enjoyed it. 20 thousand YouTubers have done the same. Quit pretending like OP is tweeting their political beliefs into the void of the internet expecting someone to care.\n\nIf you told me “Bo went to a Phoebe Bridgers show and watched her cover one of his songs” I wouldn’t really give a shit. This video, on the other hand, is awesome. I also now know who Phoebe Bridgers is. \n\nJust stop. No one cares.", "I'm genuinely shocked that you've watched that special and:\n\n1. Found it stale\n2. Don't think he said a single new idea\n\nNot sure if you're at all in a similar life stage as him, or had to hole yourself up in quarantine, but at least myself and many people I know resonated massively with the entire special and the content, and was also amazed with what he was able to accomplish just visually while being in the constraints of being stuck in a room/inside, let alone the comedy on songs. Even just the vibe he had given that he was basically living out of that room for months if not a year (while I'm sure it's probably some like side room/studio) was pretty interesting and lined up with a lot of people feeling extremely restricted over years.\n\nThe particular songs you mentioned I'm not even sure I agree with your takes:\n\n\\- I don't think the song was about how hard it is to FaceTime your mom, but if you've moved out for a while, and/or had to quarantine or have moved far from home, how superficial FaceTime conversations feel versus actually getting to interact with people, or at least how it feels for me\n\n\\- Welcome to the internet is a great spin on the internet essentially being a sinkhole/huckster, while staying humorous song even nods to how extremism is being stoked by social media and the internet, which is only a topic that has come to the forefront of peoples attention in probably the last few years\n\n\\- Turning 30 was a fantastic song, I felt was really fresh, I'm turning 30 and can't think of other songs (comedy or not) that felt more on point\n\nThis is obviously coming from someone who was blown away by the special, again maybe this stuff didn't resonate well with you but I'd probably stand by it being the top 3 pieces of media I've seen in the last few years and know a lot of people would agree. Not sure if you're being contrarian for the point of it, or what other pieces of media you've seen that address these same ideas and handle this in that entertaining of way.", "Definitely have. Just kind of want an album that’s all about music with no comedic flavors.", "That's the sort of thing that you can only really figure out by waiting 30 years and seeing where his career ends up. Until then we're just a bunch of people with hot-takes who like what a guy has to say", "Ah I get you, I’d like that too, he clearly has a talent for music.", "Just to quote another post since they said it perfectly.\n\n\"This thing is stupid and derivative because r/iamsosmart, but if stupid and derivative is your thing then more power to you.\"", "What do you think \"moment\" means?", "I mean...sure? I am a fan because I like what the guy has to say.", "Creepy", "It's the hit new song of the apocalypse", "Phoebe Bridgers wishes she could write a song this good", "I get like this too alot. What is it? I just thought it's like a small form of depression, dread, and numbness in a way", "“Derealization is a mental state where you feel detached from your surroundings. People and objects around you may seem unreal. Even so, you're aware that this altered state isn't normal.”", "Ahh okay.. Mine used to last an hour or so but now they last continuously with only a few days break. It happened to me today as well. I was sitting with some people at the beach at night in some light rain and they were all having a good time but none of it felt real and I just wanted to crawl out of my skin or something. I just sat there quiet and staring.", "Her cover of Teenage Dirtbag is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.", "I don't want to steal Bo's thunder because I love Bo myself, but he's not the first artist to write a song in this vein. [Holy Shit by Father John Misty](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wiQW_i8lw8) is a similar song in terms of structure and theming and was released like half a decade earlier. This song was on his album \"I Love You, Honeybear\" but there's a lot of similarities between the follow-up \"Pure Comedy\" and Bo's recent special though they're responding to different events (COVD vs Trump's election).", "For context, he could be classed as the first person to make it big from YouTube in the mid 2000s. He started as a teenager making funny and slightly immature songs that went viral. Since then he's made it big as a musician/comedian and done multiple successful tours.\n\nAfter his last tour, quite a few years ago, he packed it in due to high anxiety levels, to the point where he was having panic attacks on stage, and since then he went in a different direction, writing and directing the film Eighth Grade. This was a very tense and uncomfortable film that was very critical of the Internet and the effects it has on young children as they grow up. \n\nDespite his entire career and persona being a product of the Internet, and himself being the first \"success story\" of it, if you can call it that, he's extremely critical of what it has become.\n\nDuring the pandemic last year, he filmed a new \"comedy\" special called Inside, made up of songs and skits written, performed and directed entirely by him, all inside a single room, and that is where this song comes from.\n\nI highly recommend Inside to anyone.", "This song is so good. It’s like a sadder and more defeated version of the very angry “we didn’t start the fire” which sounds more like a boomer excuse song after listening to “that funny feeling”", "There was a Reddit post the day his special released on Netflix, and the top comment was “Can somebody go check on Bo?” I think about that comment whenever one of these “Inside” songs play so I am glad we have video evidence he is still around.", "Something about this song reminds me of Jonathan coulton (I was obsessed with his stuff 10 years ago), but I can't put my finger on it.", "aaaahundred percent. This is kinda gross tbh", "Ah yes, baby anxiety attacks. Not quite panic, just a foreboding sense of not-quite-realness as your heartbeat pounds in your ears.", "A Supposedly Interesting Time I’ll Never Live Through Again", "Yeah I'm going to watch it on the weekend but also thankyiu for the detail description 8 really appreciate you taking the time to write this, 😊🙏", "And if you just filmed some random guy listening to the cover, no one would give a shit.\n\nBut because it's Bo Burnham, fans feel they are entitled to take pictures or record him or whatever because he is famous so it's ok. This is just another example of the parasocial relationships people have with celebrities.", "Yeah, been calculating a formula and doing a bunch of research and everything is pointing to \"people with social anxiety don't like this shit\". Whew, exhausting, thanks for the heads up though.", "I hope my mans Bo is doing alright. Someone pls check on him", "\"Twenty-thousand years of this, seven more to go\" is terrifying", "Now come out with your hands up", "Nothing against her cover as she has a beautiful voice but it would be cool to hear an actual interpretation and not just a girl singing it the exact same way he does.", "It will stop any day now - Is my new morning alarm.", "Kinda wild how Bo also has a similar look to Tillman for his Inside special", "Hey, glad you liked it. \n\nIt's not me being a contrarian at all, It's cool that people liked it. I actually feel kinda bad that you spent time making this comment at all actually, because it's so much text. Seriously, if i knew anyone would waste their time on something this long I wouldn't have commented at all, just because I really do think literally any persons time is more valuable then debunking my very taste based opinion.", "It seems odd to me that only comedians seem to be the ones writing songs that are social commentary.", "We've got your penis surrounded", "There are people who live in a constant state of this. I did for a while. It's awful", "I feel like a lot of what I hear from other comics lately is just them bitching about cancel culture", "Except a huge part of Carlin’s who schtick was complaining about what he wasn’t supposed to be saying.", "I'm just talking about how he only got more articulate and philosophical later in life", "The conditions for intelligent life on earth is a fraction of a split of a second in relation to the age of the universe.\n\nI wouldn't worry about it, enjoy experiencing it while you can.", "I swear, I've never heard of the dude besides on Reddit. Every music thread is a circlejerk for him.", "A great way to kill a song", "Ugh Brb gonna go listen to the whole Little Miss Sunshine soundtrack again.", "Whatever. It will stop any day now.. Any day now..", "How do you do that? Make me hear your comment?", "Here’s hoping! 🤞", "I'm well aware of the size of Netflix's subscriber base (I'm one myself), but I've never heard her cover anywhere. It's a great song but the crowd knows ALL the words? I mean agree to disagree, I guess. The internet is a big place.", "I've always loved that song too as someone who's not religious but enjoys the family gathering of Christmas, also in Australia. And just had a daughter so you better believe I'll be smashing that track this Christmas.", "Sure is. Will pretty much be the only bunch of tracks showing up in my 2021 wrap stats this year.", "yeah but it gives ya blind spots, like you keep listing things in the thread that a ton of people have done like Bo was the first. Just an FYI, so you can know you are doing it.", "his fan base seems a bit unhinged here tbh.", "I never said he was \"the first.\" I said he's doing it and doing it well, which in my opinion he is. Plenty of other comedians are emulating the \"George Carlin\" thing, but are most are using that platform to talk about \"the dangers of wokeness and political correctness\" or going on long, weird anti-trans rants. \n\nReally, it sounds a lot like you just enjoy hating on things other people like, because it makes you feel good about yourself to think you know some deep truth that others do not. Just an FYI, so you can know you are doing it.", "Idk I think their estimation of him is about spot-on", "That's sounds and awful lot like chronic depression. Hope you are getting some help with it. No joke at all.", "Hence the trolling.", "in a crowd with no masks. 2021 was a learning experience but damn people have learning disability", "Exactly this. I always question am I having an anxiety attack? Doesn't feel absolutely crippling but crippling for sure", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGODTySH0E", "Bumping an old thread but did you end up like me with him as your #1 artist?", "4 of my top 5 heh :)", "He only had my #2 with Bezos I but somehow but managed to be my top artist" ]	259	videos	A candid moment of Bo Burnham listening to Phoebe Bridgers cover "That Funny Feeling" from the audience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ueRbFQkEk	/r/videos/comments/qmfiz0/season_1_teaser_2_cowboy_bebop_netflix_live_action/	[ "This was posted on an account called Radical Edward and has clips from stuff not seen anywhere else. Only 14k views so far.\n\nEdit: Turns out this is on Netflix, as Teaser 2, only they never released it anywhere else.", "Please be good. Please be good. Please be good. Please be good. OH GOD please be good.", "My confidence that Yoko Kanno's [Rush](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wWa3O9cUo) is still 100% fire: 10/10\n\nMy confidence that this adaptation will be anywhere near as good as the source material: 2/10", "I love how they went the extra mile to copy the anime exactly. Anime to movie adaptations, take notes." ]	4	videos	Season 1 Teaser 2 Cowboy Bebop Netflix Live Action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ktLen9cVM&ab_channel=WIRED	/r/videos/comments/qmgk0a/now_that_i_know_what_happens_to_a_dead_body_in/	[ "You can request a natural burial without embalming and such if it's allowed where are, yeah.", "Yup. In Texas you can dig a hole and drop the body at green burial sites. Your family can actually have your body to bury.\nMy mom is very into the green funeral business.", "That doesn't sound sanitary.\n\nJust get cremated?", "Do you think that embalming is somehow beneficial to the environment or other people? It’s not customary to embalm bodies in Northern Europe, but we don’t actually have the plague running amok around here.", "What do they do to the bodies for open casket funerals there? Just heavy all-over makeup? Because bodies look like shit without anything done to them. \n\nThe pink dye injected in the embalming process here makes bodies look better, then makeup is used to do the rest.", "Give me a Sky Funeral.", "embalming is an unnecessary and overly expensive procedure just use refrigeration", "Never in my life have I been to an open casket funeral. They are rare barring Eastern Orthodox (about 1.1% of Finns) funerals and they try to have the funeral within three days of death.", "I've been to quite a few funerals and none of them have been open casket. Honestly, I'd be weirded the fuck out. I don't want to see my dead relatives.", "I have never heard of an open casket funeral in my country or in other Scandinavian countries for that matter.. It sounds like a pretty disturbing practice honestly and the fact that you have to do SO MUCH to the body to keep up the illusion is just weird to me and I'm sure most around here think that.\n\nI never heard of an open casket funeral until i saw it in an American movie and at that point I thought it was just a weird movie trope or something.", "When I keep corpses in the fridge I also put something below them to collect all the juicy juices.", "this would be for you\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LJSEZ_pl3Y", "I'd be kind of interested to see a UK version of this. We don't typically have open caskets like in the US, so I'd wonder whether there's a lot less going on as it seems a lot of what is described in the video is related to making the body presentable for the family when in an open casket.", "Just get cremated.", "You can do this most anywhere.\n\nEven more fun is that you're allowed to bury bodies at sea 3 miles off (which is closer than it sounds)\n\nI live in San Diego and often see this happening while sailing.", "That may be, but open casket funerals are very common in North and South America. Cultures are different in different parts of the world, and the Finnish tradition does not appear to be the most common one here.", "If you’re doing a closed casket funeral, sure—and people do do that in the US. It’s called direct burial. \n\nBut open casket funerals are commonplace here. With only refrigeration, bodies would not be even remotely presentable enough to do that.", "TIL. \n\nDoes the immediate family do any kind of private viewing with the body then? Even for that, bodies in their natural state would be pretty disturbing to most people.", "Having an opinion about what happens to your carcass once you stop existing is the epitome of selfishness. \n\nUnless maybe, somehow, you think it'll help your loved ones to have a preference to guide their lack of decision or preference.", "Know what you never see?\n\nA tanned mortician.", "I was agreeing with you?\n\nWhatever", "Okay, but last time I checked Germany, Austria, and France were not in North and South America (with the exception of France, actually).", "How old? My perspective has become more and more that the burial part of the funeral is the least useful to grieving. The sharing of memories, the meeting with those who were also touched by their life, the opportunity for people to recognize the finality of death and the transience of life and all that means for how they treat others. None of that requires a traditional burial.", "I prefer industrial-level freezers personally, or ask your local butchery if they have some room to spare", "In the netherlands we use open caskets. It gives time to grieve and touch/see the person once more before you have to let them go. \n\nIts not as freaky as you think. Its actually very calming.", "I had a viewing when my grandfather died. He was not embalmed. He looked like a corpse. Because he was one. I was not traumatized by that, and injecting him with chemicals and adding makeup to make him look less dead would not have made me feel better.", "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, meat to meat.", ">[The funeral industry estimates between 50% and 55% of cadavers in the UK undergo some form of embalming so they can be viewed by relatives. The practice has become more prevalent in recent years because of the growing length of time between death and funeral, caused by delays in obtaining paperwork.](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46294432)", "Is embalming for viewing by relatives the same as a US style open-casket funeral though? \n\nI know some people opt to view the body in a private setting before the funeral which would require embalming, but I honestly have a hard time believing open-caskets at the service are that prevelent, it's just not something that most people would even consider here.\n\nAll other Googling seems to back up that they're very rare.", "I attended my father-in-law's funeral in Southeast Asia - very common to have a body refrigerated before cremation (Buddhist ceremony). The body was kept in a refrigerated box for approximately a week before being transported to the crematorium in town. We carried the box towards the entrance of the furnace and opened it to lift the body out and place it on a platform that would be slid into place in the cremation - not a ton of decomposition, but the lips and were very pulled back from the teeth and mouth looked \"quite dead\". I think sunken cheeks as well, and skin generally kind of stretched/tightened. I don't recall a bad smell, but the body was only out in the open for a few minutes before the cremation began. My father-in-law died of cancer, which might have added to the emaciated look.\n\nGenerally, I was kind of shocked to see his body in this kinda of \"advanced\" dead-state, coming from America where open casket funerals and embalming are commonplace. But I also wasn't really disgusted or \"grossed out\" by it. It just kind of added to the weight of the situation, that he was for sure dead and body kind of \"empty vessel\". I've had to attend funerals for many family members in the US, and I don't know if the weight of the ceremony hit me quite as much as in Asia.", "Damn right.", "That's pretty gross", "Pretty sure I've never been to a closed casket funeral in my 40+ years in the US. I think the only time they do closed casket here is if the body is in too bad a shape for whatever reason.", "I notice no one mentioned funerals in Germany or the Netherlands. The vast majority of people where I live in the Midwest US are of \nGerman or Dutch heritage so I was wondering if they have open casket services.", "I just think our modern burial practices are another in a long line of outmoded ceremonies that are ecological disasters. But fuck me for not wanting my perfectly good nutrients to be ruined by being pumped full of chemicals and locked into a box.", "My sister was horrified by the idea of embalming, she said if she died she just wanted to be cremated, no embalming. Sadly, she was murdered when she was 23. My parents tried to respect her wishes and gave specific instructions not to have her embalmed, funeral home agreed. Embalming fees turn up on her bill. Funeral home first says they didn't embalm her, we ask why we were billed for it. They were told it was required by state law. It was not. We should have sued then but everyone was too devastated to deal with that.", "My daughter's late rats get sky burial in a flower pot on our balcony. I think there's nine or ten rat corpses in there.", "There’s a really good episode of Freakonomics Radio titled “How to be better at death” for anyone interested in gaining more perspective. It’s with Caitlin Doughty, who is worth checking out in her own right.\n\nEdit: Here is a [Link](https://freakonomics.com/podcast/book-club-caitlin-doughty/)", "Sorry for your loss.\n\nBut yeah funerals are a scam.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/kXTb_I4C5rg\n\nWhen I'm gone they can just chop of the bits that are useful to anyone and throw the rest in the bin I really won't care ill be dead.", "Generally no, no one wants to view the body that's just disturbing.\n\nYou want to remember them as alive.", "Sounds like an expensive way to dig a hole.", "50% is a lot more than I would have guessed.", "pretty sure most municipalities won't let you just dig a hole and put a body in it. having decaying human corpses around causes all sorts of ancillary problems." ]	43	videos	Now that I know what happens to a dead body in the hands of a mortician, I'm wondering if I can refuse all these procedures. Seriously, just let me be an ugly and disgusting corpse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jB9FMZSk9k	/r/videos/comments/qmgm7p/a_robot_taking_over_jobs_that_shouldnt_be_done_by/	[ "My first thought as well.", "Ya, but what about the robots? They should be wearing proper eye protection! Unionize!", "Came here to make this comment lmao" ]	3	videos	A robot taking over jobs that shouldn't be done by humans - ladle exchange tasks in a steel casting machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByL9U0cz64M	/r/videos/comments/qmgx6j/larry_im_on_ducktales/	[ "Nice job. I love his delivery of that line and you chose a great expression for it.\n\nAlso, not to speak ill of the dead, but Larry is really out of touch with that question. The idea of a luxury is something non-essential. You don't need coffee (certainly not that gourmet shit) and basic socks are fine but really cosy ones or good running socks are expensive and definitely a luxury item.", "I mean someone could easily live without a private jet. And living without coffee and comfy socks would be pretty shit. Larry doesn't make any sense here.", "Yeah, Larry didn't seem to get that with so many 'basic' items there is a such a wide range where at the higher end it's definitely a luxury. Take ramen, the cheap stuff is one of the cheapest meals, but you go to a good restaurant that puts in the egg and chachu and quality broth and it can cost as much as a decent steak.", "He doesn't but what he was trying to get to does. He was trying to get something interesting out of Pudi. Something unique to him that he enjoys that maybe not everyone has access to. If Pudi had the world's largest collection of troll dolls that would be interesting, not everyone has the resources to do that.\n\nInstead Pudi went with things everyone has access to and Larry fumbled.", "Is this the new duck tails?", "I mean, why not ask him about his fancy sock collection? Most guys just buy some cheap sports socks or the thin office socks, what's the fancier kind Pudi's talking about? Or coffee, any particular types? He could easily have had a conversation without expecting something like a goddamn private jet, which apparently Larry can't live without?", "Yep, it was pretty good too. Did a good job of a cohesive story, built the characters up nicely and had some funny 4th wall moments. Shame it only got 3 seasons", "And it's very possible he was just having fun with the guest.", "The things Scrooge wears on his feet are not socks, those are things called spats.", "Regular ass coffee and regular ass socks are still luxuries that many don't have. Larry was just being an out of touch ass-hat.", "Are we not speaking I'll of the dead? Dang, guess I owe Hitler an apology.", "gee...\n\nand I thought splurging on Aeropress was luxury...\n\nWhat's Larry got? Jaun picking, hulling, roasting, grinding, and brewing from the Andes?", "I should watch the new ones next.\n\nLatest Mickey Mouse were hilarious. I was cracking up on almost every episodes. \n\nLove Paul Rudish!", "Don't be a nob.", "A lot of the remakes of classic cartoons have turned out really well. I think it's because a lot of today's animators and writers grew up with the originals, so now they want to do the best they can with characters who meant so much to them as kids and probably inspired them to join the industry", "Great voice casting too. David Tennant as Scrooge was excellent.", "Special Drink>Coffee", "I can’t think of a single character that wasn’t a great casting choice. Seriously, superb series.", "He was funny before he died", "I don't feel like the point was 'gotcha journalism' and to expose the guest and flaunt his net worth.. I mean it could be that, or maybe the fact that he made his career on interviewing the richest and most powerful people, with regular questions for those types of people, and the fact that he was pushing 300 years.\n\n I don't think the man was trying to be spiteful and mean.\n\nHe was out of touch, of course, thats why this clip is so funny. Why not let this just be a funny thing?", "He asked for a luxury you can't live without.\n\nCoffee and comfy socks aren't a luxury, not in our western world anyways. That's just everyday normal stuff, most of which you don't want to live without.\n\nSo he asked for a thing you can live without, but don't want to.\n\nAs far as questions go, that seems like a perfectly fine one to me.", "Kids will like this", "doubt", "Dead men tell no tales.", "I think he would rather hear the sound of his own voice more than he actually cares about an answer.", "Why did you say this?", "WILLIAM TURNER", "I'm fuckin obsessed with this comment thread you two have created here.", "Beck Bennett killed it as Launchpad!", ">Regular ass coffee and regular ass socks are still luxuries that many don't have\n\nliterally who.", "Are you serious lol?", "“how much could a cup of coffee cost? $50?”", "to go with that $10 banana", "Larry bringing up a private jet was definitely an out-of-touch moment, but you're not respecting the question.\n\nThe question was: \"what is a luxury that you can't live without?\"\n\nSo the respondent needs to identify something that is, admittedly, a luxury - a significant indulgence, an excess - that, because of their own weakness, they have come to perceive as a necessity.", "Yes. Please tell me who cannot afford coffee and regular socks, yet would be watching Larry King Live.", "yeah no, Larry did this kind of stuff all the time.", "If you've really never interacted with someone who can't afford new socks you should try to get involved in local volunteer work or something. It sounds like you could probably stand to do some giving back.", "Pudi died????", "Thanks bro. I think. I'm actually not sure if you're mocking me so I'll default to feeling sad.", "Alright comrade, don't take it so seriously.", "You are woefully ignorant of the world and its obvious how you don't care about anyone outside your bubble by adding the modifier \"who watches Larry King Live\". A lot of people do not have the luxury of fresh coffee or clean footwear (if any footware) and they still matter even if they don't own a TV to watch talk shows... Coffee and quality socks are absolutely a luxury even in the United States. Some counties don't even have clean drinking water.", "I totally get good coffee being a nice personal luxury. Especially on rainy days when you can curl up on a window ledge /reading nook with a blanket to watch the world.\nI'd also add fresh bakery goodies, and aged cheese. Neither are expensive, but they enrich.", "I used to listen to a radio show that would compile weird and awkwaed Larry King moments where he seemed weird and out of touch (asking Tony Hawk \"How important is the board to skaters?\" and weird shit like that).\n\nLater they had Larry on and played him some and he had a good laugh about it. He explained it that when he's interviewing someone he is sometimes obtuse or plays dumb to get more out of them. \n\nThe truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Larry was an experienced interviewer but also an ancient dude", "Oh no I agree with you it's just such a weird little interaction", "The fact that some people think a nice coffee is a luxury and others think a private plane is a luxury is something that should be taken more seriously.", "Here’s $20, go see a Star War.", "I added the qualifier because he answered the question on Larry King's show, so, presumable, the word \"luxury\" would refer to things that his audience might consider luxurious.\n\nYou can't reasonably tell me that the first thing someone thinks of when asked what luxuries they appreciate, they think of mundane things like drinkable water and socks. Those aren't luxuries. They're necessities. Coffee is widely available pretty much everywhere in the world. Luxuries are not things we need to get buy on a daily basis -- no matter how much you desperately want to rewrite the definition of luxury to mean \"anything with a cost.\"", "And yet I still think these people would qualify socks as \"necessities\" rather than \"luxuries\".", "I don't feel like they're the audience for Larry King Live, but I get you. I still think it's weird to refer to socks and coffee as \"luxuries\" though.", "This fucking segment gets me EVERY TIME. I love it soooo much.", "Larry's contract with CNN was worth $56m. Is it any wonder that he's out of touch?", "> \"How important is the board to skaters?\"\n\nHe could have meant board preference. Like, could Tony Hawk hop on someone else's board and skate just as well? Is each individual's board like an extension of their body, or is it just a tool?", "Expensive socks are a luxury when you can buy the cheap bulk packs\n\nExpensive coffee is a luxury when you can buy instant Folgers.\n\nGet your head out of your ass and realize many people in the United States cannot afford these luxuries.", "That was basically his explanation for that question, he wanted to know . Do they have different types of boards they prefer and of different expense/quality?\n\nBut the actual audio came out weird since it was so short and almost a non-sequiter when Tony Hawk had just been discussing something else.\n\nThere was another where he had a woman describing being carjacked and sexually assaulted (terrible story). She described going to her car in a grocery parking lot and trying to load her bags when the man came up and threatens her with a weapon, makes her get into her car, and drive them off (etc.)\n\nAnd in the middle of her description of this awful event Larry blurts out \"What did you do with the groceries?\". Which sounds REALLY insensitive. Larry justified that one as he was trying to 'paint a picture of the scene' for the viewer and listener/flesh out the details.\n\nThe take away was he often had a justification for his weird questions but they came off making him look like a fool and he was a poor self editor.", "I think that Larry was very hit or miss as an interviewer. He rarely ever had any emotional connection with his guests, but would sometimes ask questions that led to interesting places. I think he cultivated a show where guests often felt empowered to say things they otherwise wouldn't.\n\nOne I particularly liked is when he asked Seth Macfarlane about his feud with Jon Stewart. Seth gave a great answer and it was something I don't think would happen on another show.\n\nEdit: as the person below me pointed out, the Seth Macfarlane interview wasn't even Larry.", "To someone who does laundry every other day because they have three sets of clothes to wear I'm sure the line between those two can be kinda blurry.", "Literally anything can be a luxury if you put expensive in front of it.\n\nExpensive water.\n\nFood must be a luxury because there is Expensive food. \n\nNo, that doesn't make these basic-ass things luxuries. No, these are necessities. Come back to planet Earth. I'm not even American, and I don't live in the west.", "the definition of luxury is literally not \"something we lived thousands of years without\".", "Abed did have a funeral for a bird.", "nice", "> If socks aren't a luxury, why are there donation companies that specifically give people socks?\n\nbecause, like i've been saying since the very beginning, they're necessities.\n\nwe typically do not form foundations and charities to provide luxuries to people.", "His cappa was detated", "For those curious, I think this is the detail: https://youtu.be/NrcOge6pMhg", "Oh crap, it wasn't even Larry King! Oops", "I have purged from coffee. my life is way calmer, wiser, and better", ">private jet.\n\nThe thing that sorta bothers me about this whole conversation is that king doesn't say private jet he says private plane and I have a really hard time believing Dani Pudi can't afford a Cessna 150.", "I dunno, I live in the western world and I can't afford coffee. Which is great, because I don't even like it, I reuse tea bags for like 4-5 cups.", "Has anyone in this family ever even SEEN a chicken?!?", "I mean, if you want to get technical about it, coffee and socks are not luxuries. Last I checked you don't die if you skip coffee and while it's better off in the long run for your feet, you can wear shoes without socks. Actually depending on where you live and if sandals/flipflops are acceptable foot wear you won't ever need a pair of socks.", "Piers Morgan needs to shut up and let him actually answer. He interrupts and talks over him the entire time.", "And it's so damn delicious. It's legit a reason I'm grateful to be within a reasonable driving distance from SF. And upset with COVID over because the distance is far enough to not be worth takeout.\n\n(Insert First World Problems meme if you wish.)", "I forgot he died. His interviews were terrible", "Nice one.\n\nIt's kind of a weird question. A luxury is, by definition, a thing you can live without.", "Cool. Fuck off.", "Neat", "I think you might be missing the point of an interview, he might have been going for a down to earth reaction.\n\nSometimes interviewers ask questions that they know the answer to or that might seem a bit silly, if the answer is interesting they succeeded. They are setting you up they aren't trying to look cool and smart.", "Don't talk to me like that, I'm dead.", "That isn't what happened here, he was asking further questions about about an answer and clarifying. It made for a good answer, the interviewer did his job.", "And then he gets a better answer and we learn about the interviewee.", "*Coo-coo ca-cha!!*", "Someone hasn't had their coffee yet.", "/u/frogandbanjo , i'm on reddit", "The thing that was weird for me is that they all sound like they're 20 years old.", "Yeah I’m invested in watching how this unfolds", "that level of hostility is fueled by a caffiene diet. Seriously, it makes you more agitated.", "I never noticed when Pudi says socks Larry King asks, \"like you put on your feet?\" No Larry, cock socks.", "Good running socks are like $12 a pair that's definitely a luxury.", "A coodle doodle doo!", "People that brag about not needing coffee, and people who love to talk about \"lol I gotta have my coffee!\" both suck. Everyone just stop talking about coffee so much..no reason for it to be a big topic", "yeah boomer", "Good fucking ramen tastes and feels like an otherworldly healing potion.\n\nBut I've never had that experience for less than $17 a bowl", "Yo, don't fall for these pretentious assholes on this subreddit. Actually believing socks are a luxury is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this website, yet I continue to be surprised how far some people's heads are up their own asses.", "Thanks. I felt like I was going crazy when I read some of these replies. Complete lunacy and self-righteousness." ]	93	videos	Larry, I'm on DuckTales...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqrZo7zU-oc	/r/videos/comments/qmh4h7/my_name_is_giovanni_giorgio_but_everybody_calls/	[ "Good edit ✅", "That cat should be in a cat competition.", "What is that song", "Giorgio by Moroder by Daft Punk (01:57; matched: `100%`)\n\nAlbum: `Random Access Memories`. Released on `2013-05-17` by `SME - Columbia`.", "Links to the streaming platforms:\n\n[Giorgio by Moroder by Daft Punk](https://lis.tn/GiorgioByMoroder)\n\nI am a bot and this action was performed automatically \| [GitHub](https://github.com/AudDMusic/RedditBot) [^(new issue)](https://github.com/AudDMusic/RedditBot/issues/new) \| [Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/AudD/comments/nua48w/please_consider_donating_and_making_the_bot_happy/) ^(Please consider supporting me on Patreon. Music recognition costs a lot)", "Holy fuck amazing bot. Best of good bots", "Love you bot", "I can't get over how awesome a move this was. I'm sure cat hears something and spooks and immedate reaction is front flip and push head down to get viewing angle. The head spots the noise so quickly and the body just does a perfect flip-twist and land.", "That's a fuckin' nice kitty right there.", "Cat was 100% ready for hands if that small suv turned right instead of left hahaha", "Did that cat just half flip!?", "It even tells you where in the song the clip is/ends (1:57, seems about right). The full tune is 9 minutes long.", "with a half twist.", "I have chased the sound of the song ever since release. It's still the freshest one." ]	15	videos	My name is Giovanni Giorgio but everybody calls me... Giorgio
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmhac9/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmhac9/deleted_by_user/	[ "it was the apps that did the heavy lifting", "Anything that Apple does basically drives others for the technology", "..and the era of keyboardless pieces of soap was begun...", "ngl, I did like the plastic keys. Much quicker to type with and less prone to typos", "And to imagine Apple used to be bottom of the line technology that you used to mainly only see in school classrooms lol", "Also, what a remarkable presentation. For anyone speaking publicly: This is the optimal content per slide ratio.", "To be honest, I miss the days when phones had physical keyboards. Having bigger screen with higher resolution is nice, but I need the keyboard for efficient text input.", "All of these technologies already existed and people had talked about an all-in-one device for literally centuries. People need to stop worshipping marketing and pretending they are worshipping innovation.", "Bot" ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_24p1ht9v8	/r/videos/comments/qmhopv/30_rock_liz_tries_to_buy_a_bicycle/	[ "nice video", "Real life lol", "Comedy gold.", "Never watched this show, now I'm thinking I should!", "It's fantastic. I rewatched recently, and it's held up well even despite all the pop culture references.", "Reddit in a nutshell.", "Calm down there triple hitler. leave some double hitlers for the rest of us.", "They must have been inspired by my cities FB group", "\"Curse you 30 rock! Now I can't stop calling people double Hitler, it's gonna land me in trouble soon!\"\nYT comment posted 6 years ago. \n\nWhat compels you and others to do this?", "I know people throw this word around but I do believe 30 Rock is underrated. It seems to be forgotten quite a lot and not have as much reach as similar shows from around the same time.", "Remember when NBC had Community, Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, and the Office all on the same night? Magical time.", "Did a rewatch recently as well and found there to be a lot of then-current events references. Anyone born post-2000 would probably find a lot of the jokes falling flat.\n\nOn the other hand, the Betty White \"rule of three\" joke has only gotten better since then.", "It has the best comedy writing since Seinfeld, in my opinion.", "That's a fair point. Younger viewers would likely struggle more than I did.", "After my third rewatch it still makes me laugh, even when I know the joke is coming.", "This show is still brilliant", "Excuse me I am allergic to nuts. \n\nReported.", "This is a pretty accurate representation of parenting forums. People are so quick to tell you how terrible of a parent you are and how exactly like Hitler you are if you don't raise your child in exactly the same manner as them.", "Really underrated! I always wanted to watch it when I saw the trailers but it wasn't until streaming that I caught up with it all. It holds up all the way though, and doesn't outstay its welcome.", "They skip the Episode with blackface and Oprah iirc.", "On my first watch I felt like it got way more annoying towards the end, then on my second watch I didn't mind it at all and appreciated it more.\n\nExcept Hazel, she was annoying. Everything else about the show was great.", "Solar panels are racist.", "\"I done stole these catfish! Imma eat me a bellyfull!\"\n\nDoes anyone have a link to the Jon Hamm in blackface sketch? I haven't been able to find it.", "Definitely more Facebook vibes", "https://imgur.com/fPoxa", "/r/ShitMomGroupsSay", "Your opinion may as well be fact. The writers absolutely knock it out of the park.", "That's the one. Wish I could find the whole video though.", "Thursday night, yo!", "Thursday nights in the early 2010s were amazing. We'd watch those 4 on NBC, then switch over to FX at 10 for Always Sunny", "Internet is internet", "Oh yeah... I forgot about Hazel. I think she's a good comedic actress, but acting as an annoying psychopath!", "Nice comment, hitler.", "Wow, real original, DOUBLE HITLER!", "It was way better than I expected when I finally watched it highly recommend", "I'll have you know my solar panels are black.", "[Ask and ye shall receive](https://watch30rockonline.com/stream/30-rock-6x19/)", "There is not a single scene from 30 rock that I will not stop what Im doing, watch and then upvote if it's posted here. That show is perfection from beginning to end.", "Online bullying kills thousands of people every year. You're no better than a serial killer.", "They’ve done the same with the Scrubs episode with JD in blackface.", "Holy shit. You found it. Thank you dude.", "What was her name?", "I was in a DIYer's post and his painter had put exterior wall paint on stair treads. DIY asks \"how can I rectify this?\" 90% of the comments were \"he should've\" and the rest were \"why didn't you make sure he didn't do that?\" \n\nIf you go into a thread where someone is asking a question and you reply with something that isn't the answer you're no better than the person filming and not helping.", "I started watching and I stayed because Jane Krakowski is incredibly talented and funny, I enjoy every second she is on screen.", "I google myself all the time", "Thursday nights on NBC used to be a great night for comedy for a long time. Cheers, Cosby Show, Seinfeld, Friends, Frasier, Mad About You, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.", "Kristen Schaal", "Wasn't one of these trolls turn out to be her boyfriend?", "informative", "What's so bad about exterior wall paint on stair treads? \n\nIt's just so much easier to clean blood off exterior wall paint.", "The helmet reply is so god damn accurate to reddit comments. Like holy shit some of you must never go outside or dare to use your bodies.", "Do you think it's underrated, or underwatched? I think the general consensus is that it's incredibly good.", "Probably the latter.", "I just went down a 30 Rock rabbit hole. I loved this show so much. You really should try it.", "Wassername?", "/r/asablacksolarpanel", "I see they’ve been to Nextdoor.", "Yes but aktualy helmets axshually are worse because u take more risks and have more accidents I'm just sayin ngl just tryna help /s", "Thank you.", "We never had any cookie jars in my house when I was growing up because my mother never baked us any cookies because she never felt we deserved any cookies", "Not really", "Not wearing a helmet doesn't make you Hitler, but they're pretty important. I bike every day outside. Even a low speed crash could either kill you or ruin your life - a helmet does a great job of mitigating those risks. It's silly not to wear one.\n\nI'm pretty sure their point with that whole thing wasn't \"don't wear a helmet\", lol.", "What night was ER on", "Online communities are still pretty much the same. I miss 30 Rock.", "This was a parody of [Urban Baby](https://blog.discourse.org/2013/03/forums-as-seen-on-tv/) which was like a proto-Reddit/Twitter/Nexdoor from the 2010s", "I always thought of it as an upside-down WOW.", "I think the reason it's less popular is because it's more comedy than feel-good like the other shows of the era. It's personally my favorite of all those shows (the office, parks and rec, community, Brooklyn 99, the good place) because I think it's the funniest and it doesn't get overly sappy like some of the others. I do love all of those shows I listed though, 30 Rock is just my clear cut favorite child 🤣\n\nI recently rewatched it and was actually kind of sad because I realized how many pop culture references the show does, which means I think it's just gonna continue to fall into obscurity as younger audiences just won't get a lot of the references. That's also probably part of the reason the other shows are more popular—I think the office's humor is mostly self contained, for example. They aren't relying on you knowing who Mitt Romney, Ryan Lochte, etc are in order for you to get the jokes", "30 Rock here I come.", "Husband at this point, but yes.", "I once saw a baby give another baby a tattoo. They were very drunk!", "Not one of these trolls. She makes a post about finding it hard to be a stay at home mom and that she likes working. Another mom replies that she is sick of her complains and would much rather be with the kids than working, they argue and arrange to meet at the park to fight. \n\nThen at the park the other mom turns out to be her boyfriend who hates working so they switch, she goes to work and he becomes a stay at home dad.", "The funny thing is that, at least for me, 30 Rock's earlier seasons feel like a feel-good show too without getting overly sappy. I can't really describe it but instead of having tense plots the show's more just following Liz around, has that music between the scenes, great jokes, and it always feels like a downtime show. Even B99 has tense moments rather than being laid back all the time.\n\n>of all those shows (the office, parks and rec, community, Brooklyn 99, the good place)\n\nThese are exactly the shows I was thinking of when I said 30 Rock's forgotten, is there a reason these shows are grouped together?", "Liz Lemon, you mind if I Google myself in your office?", "Oookay Hitler", "You're right that it doesn't commit itself to the sort of Office relationships like Jim and Pam or Michael and both Dwight and Jim; not to mention Holly, or the excruciating loneliness of Michael in Dinner Party.\n\nBut man did Liz and Jack really develop a close relationship over the course of that show. I felt really sad when this wrapped up.", "I believe is was Thursdays at 10.", "Ha, yea that's fair. 30 Rock starts off kinda normal and the stories just go more and more off the rails as the show goes on, whereas the other shows all start to reign it in over the last couple seasons to give the characters nice send-offs. I will say the last season of 30 Rock felt rushed, but I much prefer that ending to the way the office dragged on, for example. This is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but I even hate how sappy parks and rec became, because it had like a 2-3 season stretch where it was just relentlessly funny and on par with 30 Rock for me\n\nMichael Schur is heavily involved in many of those shows, and his writing style clearly had a big influence at the time (and still does). The Office is the big influencer I think—30 Rock even references Steve carell/Michael in one episode", "Thursdays. Also including Scrubs and My Name is Earl.", "One of my all time favorite friendships/platonic relationships on a TV show! They have an amazing dynamic\n\nEdit: [also, I watched this video essay](https://youtu.be/1r3FkR5rziY) recently which talks about how characters like Jack Donaghy may have helped contribute to Trump's rise to popularity in 2016. Thought that was pretty interesting, and a good watch if you like writing. It was a good reminder for me try to to stay aware of the unintended consequences of the things I say/write", "The fact that they never went with the relationship angle was \\chef's kiss\\", "This is so ahead of its time", "I saw a homeless man heating a hot pocket on the third rail of the G train! THE G TRAIN NERMAL!", "A pack of wild dogs took over and successfully ran a Wendy’s", "Yeah no shit \n\nDo you also recommend I always wear shoes?", "Unfortunately, there is no field of science that deals with the brain, but I can give you this pamphlet for a cult!", "Our basketball hoop was a ribcage! A ribcage!", "It was the NBC President of Entertainment, Brandon Tartikoff, that created the whole Thursday night line-up idea in the 80's.", "Naw. Flame wars are as old as the internet, I assure you. BBSes had the same thing going on, and Usenet groups before them. It’s just human nature, alas.", "Yes, I do.", "I think 30 Rock is the best show of it's era.", "That.Is.Not.Satire.", "What a great show too", "Mike Schur. He is one of the creators that worked on all of these shows.\nEdit: except Community, but Donald Glover was a writer for 30 Rock as", "Pretty much the entire internet in a nutshell tbh", "This is exactly what mommy threads on Facebook are.", "LL- Sure.\n\nTJ- Can I use your computer?\n\nLL-How else are you gonna do it", "It's just not suited for foot traffic and will wear faster over time than a harder curing floor/deck paint. That's it. lol", "Really wish they had done a nbc-eu where they merged all the shows for one cw-verse style episode. \n\nThey could all visit NY: \n\nParks- Leslie is doing some UN thing\n\n\nCommunity - Brita is protesting the UN thing Leslie is at and Troy/Abed are making a documentary of it with their morning show bit mixed in. \n\n\nOffice- They visit David Wallace and end up on the subway with the cast. \n\n\n30 Rock- well they are already there but Jack is the guest speaker for the UN thing. \n\n\nOnly weird part would be Ann, but they can make a reference to looking similar to Karen.", "It's absolutely great. There are so many good characters on that show, and lots of celebrity cameos that play reoccurring characters or have small 2 or 3 episode runs. It's very funny. \n\n\nFor me, it's the best sit com of all time. It's just so smart and funny, lacking in any sappy moments.", "/r/shitmomgroupssay", "When you eat food remember to put it in your mouth. This highly mitigates the risk of putting food into any of your other orifices.", "Haha wow, that is some pîna colada shit", "Oh looord! Some dude with dreds electrocuted my fish!", "points", "Wasn't Criss with two S's her husband by then?", "Maybe, but some of it is timeless comedy. Like Dr. Leo Spaceman is gold no matter what age you are. There may be some jokes some don't get, but there are plenty that appeal to everyone.", "People do throw that word around a lot, including you. The show was very well received and remains popular on streaming services.", "Listen to me when I say GIVE THE SHOW YOUR FULL ATTENTION. Do not browse the internet while watching 30 Rock. You will miss so many jokes it's unbelievable. There was a post this year discussing how 30 Rock probably has more jokes per minute than any show ever. Blink and you'll miss them.", "Good work sex doll.", "30 rock live. Those 2 episodes were amazing. Still chasin the dragon trying to find the 4 versions they did", "Ergo! Afleck’s finally gonna get that Oscar.", "Man, apparently there are some seasons of 30 rock I have not watched. Do the later ones hold up?", "I would say Dr. Spaceman is in the top 5 funniest TV characters of all time. Every time he appears in a scene, you know it's going to be fucking gold.", "Yep.", "That’s what I thought, yeah", "I made a Plex TV station that just cycles through these shows so I can just drop into it without picking something to watch at any time.", "and Friends and Seinfeld.", "The writing is ridiculously good. There would be episodes where it's just nonstop jokes from the first minute to last.", "The whole show holds up, yes.", "Legends still speak of the great Usenet Battlecruiser 3000AD flamewar of 96-97. Those were dark times.", "Can you believe we used to solve questions of paternity by dunking the woman in water until she admitted she made the whole thing up? Different times, the 60s.", "This, right here, is what drives me nuts about the internet today. \n\nSo many people feel a need to nit pick over details and find ways of being correct, more accurate, or making sure that the person they're interacting with feels their statement is invalid.\n\nLike, I get it, if the information is wrong, say it is wrong, but if I'm asking where to get a bike for a girl, just tell me where to get a bike for a girl.\n\nEveryone is either so damn scared of offending someone their comment is rendered useless, or so concerned about making sure that person knows how they might have offended someone that any actual exchange in information gets lost.\n\nThink I'm being overly concerned about genders when asking for a girls bike? Who cares. You could recommend any bike you want and leave it open to the person asking about the bike if the bike is right for the person they're buying it for.\n\nLike, holy shit, the amount of qualifying you have to do when asking for, or providing information today without inadvertently offending someone is insane. \n\nJust move past whatever you felt was wrong and help the person. \n\n\"My boyfriend won't kiss me in front of people, how can I help him over come this?\"\n\nI don't see people reading that question and rushing to ask whether the person asking is male, female, tranagender, etc. Who cares, odds are the answer is the same regardless of the genders involved in the equation.\n\nAnd the same is true about if lot of the things people get bent out of shape about. \n\nI miss the old internet where you could just talk, and it didn't matter what you said, it wasn't automatically assumed to be intentionally insensitive towards certain people.\n\nGrow thicker skin and learn to see the forest beyond the trees", "It’s cheesy and remarkably clever when it wants to be", "Only if you didn’t watch the video! Triple…", "Not only do the later ones hold up. But the last episode wraps up my favorite series long running joke.", "Just realized that the site is called Gotham Moms. No wonder they're all so on edge. Never know when the Joker is going to jump out and attack.", "That sounds like the 90s", "Yeah but flame wars tended to be about important stuff, like Star Trek. Not parenting.", "Normal conversations: where you ask about a thing and you all talk about the thing.\n\n\nOnline conversations without tonal queues: where you ask about a thing and a whataboutism tornado levels the place.", "That’s a deep reference, and now I’m stuck singing that stupid song all day. Thanks.", "Our basketball hoop was a rib cage. A RIBCAGE", "How do you create something like that?", "And the network was still somehow fourth in ratings", "Now, Jenna, medically speaking, for your height, your weight puts you in what we call the disgusting range. Fortunately, there are solutions. \n\nFor example, crystal meth has been shown to be very effective. \n\nHow important is tooth retention to you?", "I love the start of that joke as well. \"Well, it must be psychosomatic. Now don't worry, that's just a fancy doctor word for 'your brain is broken'.\"", " I once bit into a burrito and there was a child's shoe in it!", "Just finished my seventh re-watch. Absolutely incredible still.", "Tina Fey (and whatever team she put together for a show) are generally considered as good as it gets. The stuff she cranks out makes other long time comedy writers go \"how?\"", "Just missing someone trying to sell some multi level marking crap.", "It won 11 Emmies and was nominated for over 100.", "\"DAE think 11-time Emmy award-winning 30 Rock is an underrated gem?\"", "It's fine. It starts feeling more like Kimmy Schmitt episodes at the end. Still funny but a little too wacky. Earlier episodes did an amazing job of being wacky but still somehow grounded", "Also my wife when she asked for advice on the parenting subreddit.", "I don't agree. The likeable misogynists he references don't become likeable until they start exhibiting personal growth. Jack's friendship with Liz and the personal growth it spawns are central to his character. He goes through an identity crisis because he suddenly finds himself caring about other people and doesn't know how to cope.", "Proud like a peaCOCK baby", "Right, my baloney?", "imo, it does get way more annoying at the end. Still has some good stuff in it, but I can't marathon watch the last 3 seasons", "And it existed then, too. That's the entire point. Just because it exists now doesn't mean it didn't exist then. It just wasn't on Facebook.", "Maybe you just weren't on the parenting boards.", "Head over to /r/startrek. I assure you the flame wars live on.", "Um, pretty important.", "It is extraordinarily not my experience on the parenting sub, the largest parenting community on reddit. Tends to be a super positive place. Except for all of the posts about people who regret becoming parents.", "I’ve watched the entire series twice in the last year. The show moves so fast that I’m still finding new jokes.", "100% agree. If your metric is laughs per minute, 30 rock wins. Maybe I’ll go back to the office for nostalgia (and Dwight) or parks and rec for a feel good, but 30 rock was packed with jokes.", "No, it was relevant when the joke was made back then too. It's just that nothing has changed since then.", "More specifically it was a forum of sheltered Upper East Side wives married to investment bankers.", "Yeah but it's making fun of mommy blog people who were around back then.", "I can't even name a current NBC comedy off the top of my head anymore.", "Brooklyn Nine Nine and New Girl tried to do that. I was whelmed. \nThere was some great bits, but I just don't think the sum was greater than the parts.", "So obviously, the person in the video was being stupid. But lots of kids don't wear helmets. Chances are, though, if you're dedicated enough to be on a parenting subreddit or board online, you probably care enough about your kid to make them wear a helmet.", "Wow they predicted Reddit", "Speak for yourself, Joseph Stalin.", "Upvote for whelmed", "It's actually super easy, barely an inconvenience\n\n\nWhen you have Plex all setup head to the tv show in question you want to playlist on the browser version of plex. Click on the 3 dots on the tv show and go to [add to] playlist/collection. So if you have 30 rock/office/Seinfeld etc you can just let it run those.\n\n I think you can play them at random too? I would probably recommend it for Seinfeld but probably not for semi serialized shows like office etc.", "/r/dizquetv", "I helped photograph a wedding once where the couple had that as their first dance song. I was like “uhhhhhhh….”", "30 Rock doesn't predate social media though. Around 2005-2010s was peak \"Yahoo groups\" era and where you'd find stuff like this.", "This is what got me started: https://gizmodo.com/have-you-tried-building-your-own-tv-channels-in-plex-1844703597", "That's one option but DizqueTV makes it \"feel\" more like a TV station - you can have it run each series in order but intersperse other series if you want, and it acts like it's \"always on\" (but obviously isn't streaming anythign when you arent' watching) so you flip on and it's in the middle of an episode. \n\nWhy? I dunno, my wife really likes the ability to turn something random on and not need to pick something, this way it's a whole station of shows you like with no commercials, and still follows some logical order if you want it ti.", "Because of 30 Rock, I know I can dial 4-1-1 for diabetes repair.", "The crazy part is that this block of shows wasn't that big of a hit with audiences.", "That legit sounds terrible.", "Oh my this has aged very well", "Well...you're wrong", "It was popular among critics but it didn't have the cultural impact of The Office or even Parks and Rec. And it didn't really take off on streaming services the way The Office did either. It was a good show and everyone who watched it will tell you it was amazing but it definitely flew under the mainstream radar.", "I always thought Kramer should have an episode with the Always Sunny crew", "It's ok, just go ahead with your preconceived notions based on nothing and ignore the people who are actually around back then and are telling you otherwise.", "I don't think he was involved with 30 Rock or Community.", "Reddit every time they see someone flatland skateboarding: \"WHY AREN'T THEY WEARING A HELMET? SO STUPID\"\n\nHere's the thing about skateboarding, unless you're going down hill you cannot skateboard faster than you can run. So if you want to believe that people should always wear helmets when flatland skateboarding you're a hypocrite unless you also wear a helmet every time you run anywhere.", "Do you realize facebook was around for years before this episode came out?", "I don't think the point of the video is to necessarily criticize Jack's character, it's just pointing out that when you tell \"lampshading\" jokes like this there's going to be a subset of the audience that doesn't really understand the joke and could be internalizing the feelings/ideas/whatever you're trying to poke fun at.\n\nAnd I don't really know what the answer is to how you with deal with those kinds of impacts, because Jack's character is still absolutely hilarious to me and it would be a shame if he never existed. Like I said I just think it's helpful to think about when I'm saying/writing things.\n\nIt makes me think of something the Bojack writers became worried about in the later seasons of the show—they said something about how they didn't like that so many people seemed to relate to bojack and felt like they were saying it's \"okay\" to be like him. In S5 and S6 there's a noticeable shift where he starts to be held more accountable for the things he says/does as a result. It starts with Diane in S5 and eventually leads into the shitstorm of S6", "NOBODY expects the...\n\nnevermind", "It’s like 200 funny jokes every episode and the quality really holds throughout all the whole series.\nHighly recommend", "It didn’t help that it was up against the Office at its peak and then Parks and Rec came in right at the same time too. Literally a juggernaut of a comedy lineup and I doubt any channel will ever be to mimic a lineup like that again.", "yup, happens to me with other shows like Community or Kimmy Schmidt", "That's accurate. It wasn't bad but it wasn't worth the effort most likely. Didn't see the New Girl episode", "\"Couldn't you just inject something right into his heart?\"\n\n\"I'd love to, but we have no way of knowing where the heart is. See, every human is different.\"", "Tracy, I don't know how to say this… \n\nDe-ay-bah-tees?", "That was a placebo injection. He may not be faking for attention.", "It's up there with Frasier as well.", "Isn't it kind of a sweet song though? Married couple, each lost, looking for something and they find each other? I dunno, not like \"Every Breath You Take\" creepy imo.", "It was like TV that you just really had to watch... I wish they had a catchy name for it.", "I think we got it!", "> A board slips out from under you while skateboarding and your legs go flying up, bringing your head into the concrete\n\nSpoken like someone who has never skateboarded.\n\nNo, that doesn't happen. Maybe in cartoons?", "In that sense, sure, but they got sick of each other and opted to run away with a stranger leaving the other in the dust unsure what might have happened. They found things out about one another that they’d have known if they’d communicated with each other. If it was a real life situation I wouldn’t bet on them staying together for much longer after all that as the communication issues would likely remain. Plus their response to finding out they both planned to run from one another is to laugh. I think most people would realise it would indicate deep issues.\n\nSo in a greater sense, it’s about a very dysfunctional relationship.", "“Bill Cosby?! You’ve got a lot of nerve getting on the phone with me after what you did to my Aunt Paulette!”", "Mickey Rourke?", "NewsRadio was on Thursdays for a bit too. Great show, minus season 5.\n\nEdit: apparently NewsRadio acted as a stand-in on Thursdays, only appearing that night a handful of times.", "LOUD NOISES!", "That's incredible! I was not on board until random show, but logical order of individual shows", "I think I laughed a little too much at that one.", "I started watching the Mad About You reboot on Amazon Prime Video, and it was ~~worse than Fuller House~~ pretty damn bad.", "Oh man, autoplaying classic TV shows is tight", "I love 30 Rock but I don't know if I agree. There are so many pop culture or topical references that it's almost like Shakespeare. If you don't know the references, you don't get a lot of the jokes. The further we move away from the show, the harder it will be for younger, new fans to get into it without some kind of guide. Whereas, a show like Friends or The Office almost never references actual current events, so the jokes are more \"timeless\". I'm not saying they're funnier, but there's a reason I Love Lucy is still funny - it's because we actually get the jokes. If every one liner included a reference to stuff actually happening in the 1950s it would have become dated very quickly.", "I think it's super cool... also fun if you want to make a kid's station, cartoon station, etc.", "I once drove a rental car into the Hudson just to practice escaping.", "\"This dude with a clipboard rang my doorbell. Should I call the cops\"", "Arrested Development tho.", "Friends and Mad About You are in the same universe. There are crossovers and overlapping characters.", "“... you said you had amazing cheekbones!”\n\nChris angrily points at his cheeks\n\nKills me every time", "Wait, are you.... Him?\n\nWow wow wow wow... Wow.", "I honestly think that 30 Rock is one of, if not the funniest tv show ever. The first season is a bit slower, but it quickly picks up and is just hit after hit after hit.", "I think I might love you. Thank you for this", "i member.", "Kenneth’s age for sure", "You can do all sorts of cool stuff. You could have a comedy channel that shows these shows as they've described, but Friday is movie night, so every Friday night at 8, it stops showing shows and plays a random movie from your comedy collection.\n\nSome people actually download commercials and load them in to pad the time in between episodes so that every episode starts on the half hour.", "Comedy Night Done Right", "Every single day \"did anyone else hear gunshots???\"\n\nLike please understand that vehicles backfire, fireworks exist, and construction workers are all over the place using nail guns and stuff. It's not gunshots, you overdramatic idiot or busybody piece of shit.", "Ok calm down shooter these are much lower on the the list of good comedies", "30 rock always hit the nail on the head", "Pop pop.", "Wild! I'm going to have to experiment", "Probably the best comedy show of the past 20 years.", "I mean, when there are 5 channels are you somehow not going to tune in to watch Helen Hunt?", "Those shows had some serious legs, but weren't big hits at the time as I recall.", "The thing is I thought Mad Men was just great TV in the 1990s or whenever. I loved every episode.", "Anytime I hear a loud bang I look at the clock and think, \"okay, when the cops ask the gunshots were at 9:08.\" It's never been useful.", "Damn, good point.", "we've had a lot of break-ins lately", "Before that tv programming on Thursdays was not shown sequentially and existed outside of standard space time", "This is disgustingly accurate.", "what is she on Reddit? lol", "News Radio was an amazing show. Stellar cast and writing. Re-watching always makes me sad that Phil Hartman is no longer with us.", "It's a song about two people committing infidelity... no... there's nothing sweet about it. It's a song about two horrible people.", "Do you like pina coladas,\n\nAnd infidelity?", "So wear shoes yes or no?", "Definitely yes. But on your hands. You need bare feet for the pedals.", "It literally could be any activity. There is someone in the comments chiming in with their medical safety expertise.", "I’m a physics skateboard safety technician expert\n\nIf you step on a board with wheels you will literally transform into hitler. Wear a full body suit of pads you idiot.", "He was involved with all the shows that the commenter mentioned in their quote, “of all those shows (the office, parks and rec, community, Brooklyn 99, the good place)”", "He had nothing to do with Community, then.", "“Listen Tracy, if you need anything, you just come to me.”\n\n“Come on Jack, now you know I’m the kid. I’m easy like Sunday morning.” \n\n*crew member walks by\n\n“Don’t look at me! Do not look at me in the Eyes.”\n\n🤣🤣🤣", "It also can cause Hitlerism.", "In infants... they grow little tiny mustaches", "Ask where the jail is—straight to jail.", "30 Rock is honestly one of greatest comedy shows ever made; it's very underrated. It's a wierd thing to say because it won a lot of awards and did reasonably well on TV. It's densely packed with humour; I don't watch TV shows more than once but I must have watched the full series from start to finish at least 5 times now. I'm actually thinking of starting again after this thread, it's such a great show!", "\"I don’t want my life to be like TV because my life is way better. Where else but real life would a millionaire movie star care so much about a hillbilly janitor that he would spend two days trying to cheer him up? You can’t do that on television, because if you did, no one would watch.” —Kenneth\n\n\"That's our show! Not many people watched it, but the joke's on you. 'Cause we got paid anyway!\" -Tracy\n\n\"We really do love our fans, yes both of you!\" -Weird Al\n\nI'm sure there are more I'm not remembering off the top of my head.", "Someone has smashed a pumpkin on my street WHERE ARE THE COPS OMG THIS TOWN IS GOING TO SHIT I DON'T FEEL SAFE", "He wasn't wrong.", "I want to do a rewatch but I am “protest” not watching until they put all the episodes back up. What are the chances they start streaming all the episodes again?", "Yes that’s correct", "Lol, same with the Neighbors function on the Ring app", "So he wasn't involved in all those shows.", "> It's actually super easy, barely an inconvenience\n\nCasually referencing Pitch Meetings is TIGHT.", "I'm going to say if the later seasons of 30 Rock aren't as good, it's not because of references. The entire show referenced pop culture all the time with gags like MILF Island and Queen of Jordan. I think the problem is the Flanderization that every show experiences after so many seasons. Characters become almost spoofs of themselves meaning they either become predictable or too outlandish in order to subvert expectations. Then the show might get a little too wacky, but 30 Rock at least takes place in a self-referential universe that lets them turn that into a joke itself as evidenced by Jenna's \"I've never met Mickey Rourke\" line near the end of the series. \n\nAnyway, yeah. My point is 30 Rock probably peaked around seasons 3-4 but the show knows it and lets you in on the joke.", "To me it's the best show since Arrested Development's original run.", "Such a pain! You'd try to browse TV Guide to find out when something would be on/was on/is on and all you'd get would be an ambiguous date range and a rough attempt at solving the 3-body problem.\n\nKinda makes sense why everyone's parents had such a hard time setting the VCR to record correctly, though.", "You were on parenting boards in the 00s? Well then, you know.", "The great whodunit series on USA had a few crossovers that were fun to watch... Monk, Psych, Burn Notice, Whie Collar... Maybe they were just short scenes used for self promotion, but man they really captured the potential of that style.", "This is actually satire of, man I forget the name of the website, but it’s where the fucking DH (dear hubby) acronym comes from and it’s also where all these stories about people who made 4-600k a year in NYC would complain about how poor they felt, then would post their INSANE budgets which would be like “we spend 13k a month on a golf pro and club membership, this is non-negotiable we love golf and it’s the one thing we do to relax” and other completely out of touch batshit insane spends.", "what's 30 rock?", "30 Rock is an American satirical sitcom television series created by Tina Fey that originally aired on NBC from October 11, 2006, to January 31, 2013. The series, based on Fey's experiences as head writer for Saturday Night Live, takes place behind the scenes of a fictional live sketch comedy show depicted as airing on NBC. The series' name refers to 30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York City, the address of the now Comcast Building, where the NBC Studios are located and where Saturday Night Live is written, produced, and performed.\n\nMore details here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Rock> \n\n\n\nThis comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!\n\n[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(\|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(\|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(\|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)", "I still randomly refer to my wife as Double Hitler", "I've watched this show so many times alone that it's really awesome to see so many people loving the thing I love so much.", "Especially in the last couple years, Dr. Spaceman's lines have been invaluable. \n\n\"Well, science is...whatever we want it to be.\"", "Also Seinfeld and Friends.", "Nobody humblebragged that their kid learned Mandarin on their own. 4/10.", "The last season has [my favorite joke in the series](https://youtu.be/BDw1MYH6n0U?t=64).", "I love it but my wife doesn’t like it because she doesn’t think it’s funny…..I think if something doesn’t have the traditional setup-punchline structure she doesn’t know when to laugh….", "I used to like this show. I quit TV and movies though. One main reason was NBC constantly berating a presidential candidate in 2016, and honestly for no good reason. NBC has gone left. I don't miss it and I encourage you to give up on cable & broadcast television.", "WHO TOLD YOU MY AGE", "Reddit in a nut shell. The irony is in the comments below...", "I'm a new parent, and this clip is the reason I REFUSE to ever refer to my baby as \"little one.\"", "Yeah Liz, the guy with the black baby* is racist", "I love this crossover", "IDK, the reality tv episode was pretty bad", "Tracy Jordan. Black. Very Proud.", "I think Tina herself asked for them to be taken down.", "4 shows that were exactly the same? Great.", "Ok I’d like to point out for our younger audience that TV being always programmed to have something on air is actually novel for the 80’s up thru the 90’s. I still get nostalgic when I see a color bar test screen.", "I am so sad with the decline in S5 and utterly different show in S6.", "I don't know if I ever found 30 Rock laugh out loud funny, it's just one of those shows that's extremely enjoyable to watch.", "I've got a personal example just like this that I check in on occasionally. 2 years ago I posted a pretty dull comment on a YouTube clip that was about the Columbia space shuttle disaster. There was nothing noteworthy about my comment at all, but it inadvertently started a thread with 80 comments that veer off into all directions including Trump, the Deep State, and stolen elections. The best/worst reply that's since been deleted was a ridiculous conspiracy theory that claimed the real reason the shuttle disintegrated in re-entry is that one of the two women astronauts onboard the shuttle threw a tantrum and deliberately opened the large cargo doors to kill everyone, so NASA invented the wing/foam impact story to cover it up.\n\nSo, I guess the moral of the story is that the internet was a huge mistake.", "Is that the one that was in love with Elaine & joined the peace corp?", ">Severus: Successus, a weaver, loves the innkeeper’s slave girl named Iris. She, however, does not love him. Still, he begs her to have pity on him. His rival wrote this. Goodbye. \n\n>Successus: Envious one, why do you get in the way. Submit to a handsomer man and one who is being treated very wrongly and good looking. \n\n>Severus: I have spoken. I have written all there is to say. You love Iris, but she does not love you.\n\nThat was graffiti found on the walls of ancient Pompeii. Communities in general haven't changed that much.", "those were the days. as jack donaghy would say: \"it's the golden age of television\"", "Lol. Look at the quote. He mentioned 4 shows and asked why they are grouped together. I answered that question. Those 4 shows all shared Mike Schur. His question did not mention 30 Rock or Community. But thanks for joining and adding your 2 cents. I’m sorry you were confused as to which shows I was referring to.\n\nEdit: Ok, I can’t read 😪", "> of all those shows (the office, parks and rec, community, Brooklyn 99, the good place)\n\n\nTelling me to look at the fucking quote...", "Oops ya got me there. Don’t know how I missed that after reading it 3 times but alas, here we are 😅", "I mean I'm just saying, you even quoted it yourself. This was a very frustrating conversation, I honestly thought you were trolling me. All good though, it happens to everyone.", "Haha I’m sorry to have frustrated you. Weirdly enough I was also frustrated like, dude these 4 shows were all done by Schur and these are the shows the dude asked about. I even said 4 shows in one of my comments to you when there is definitely 5 listed. Once again, I have no idea how I read it 3 times at least and legit never saw community in there.", "Science is…whatever you want it to be", "Best primetime lineup that ever was:\n\n- Friends\n- [Show they were trying make popular]\n- Seinfeld\n- Frasier\n- ER", "I know. They shouldn’t listen to her.", "Depends on where you live. I live in Atlanta and it’s frequently gun-shots, as I’ve sadly seen the cop-filled aftermath (and even the victim) on more than one occasion…", "I’ve got a drink going on the special menu at my restaurant. It’s called the “rural juror”. I predict it will be renamed by 2 pm. We’ll see though.", "And then somehow Chuck shows up because he flashed on one of the people at the UN conference \n\nI used to daydream about this crossover for ages", "On Conan O'Brien needs a friend she talked about how surprised she was seeing how in writing rooms (I think SNL specifically) these days people worked 9-5 hours and didn't work for 70 hours a week like she and Conan used to when writing SNL/30 rock/Simpsons. Maybe the secret to good comedy is ignoring labour laws.", "I mean… nail gun does have the word gun in it. One could argue it’s technically gunfire. One would be stupid, but One could do it.", "Every single comment in here is talking about how the internet, especially reddit is like this and they hate it, yet the internet and reddit is still like this.", "parks and rec had a shitty ending. Super lazy how everyone ended up either super powerful and/or super rich.", "\"I was just thinking how weird it is that we eat birds...\"", "Elf prince", "It's funny, because it's true. That is what happens and why I never go on the internets.", "I rewatched the entire series for the 5th time this year and watching it sequentially made some weak/dropped plot points in the later seasons stand out to me. Some of them were big headscratchers like writers/actors suddenly didn't want to work on the show anymore.\n\nIt made it a bit less enjoyable to watch, but still a masterpiece.", "I live in St Louis, so it’s usually gunshot AND fireworks.", "Get a good look, Costanza?", "Well, there is a very old rule. In production you have Quality, Time, and Cost. You can only positively impact two and the 3rd will take a dive. They went for Quality and Cost, so it took a ton of time to do. Unfortunately, they choose to eat that time in the face by cramming it into 70 hour work weeks instead of just taking more of the year. You have to admit it certainly worked out for both of them, and neither of them have to work nearly that hard anymore, so I think the cost benefit ratio worked out for them in this case.", "It’s my favorite show of all time. You’re in for a treat if you decide to watch it.", "I never rewatch shows but 30 Rock is just so good. I honestly rewatch the series once a year and never get tired of it. It’s so good", "I actually find it's more I've already contacted the police and I also tracked down his car, here's his licence plate number.", "And The League after Sunny! Oh man you just described the end of college for me. 3 straight hours of amazing TV then straight to the bar!", "Uhhh, they're still killing it!\n\n* Thought Jacker\n* Intensive Karen\n* Mr. Egypt\n* Celebrity Beat-off\n* Captain Cook", "This is what a sizeable chunk of posts that hit the front page are like.", "And the League. There was a time when I would get off work on Thursdays, and my DVR would have Three hours of comedy shows. Glorious", "For me and my friends, it was \"Thursday Tradition\" to pack a hookah up with some shisha and weed, and get locked to the couch for those shows. I don't think we ever made it out afterwards.", "You know the funny thing? It used to be our taco night, which made me chuckle when I saw your username. Tacos for dinner, then glued to the TV from 7-10 (drinking would commence toward the end of 30 Rock then continue through FX shows), then we always made it out.", "> then would post their INSANE budgets which would be like “we spend 13k a month on a golf pro and club membership, this is non-negotiable we love golf and it’s the one thing we do to relax”\n\n[Ah the candles meme.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dril9047/images/2/23/DrilCandles.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20170623190510)", "That’s where the candles guy got it as well. I specifically remember the golf post it was some ridiculous amount of money and they refused to budge on it and it was clearly too expensive and unnecessary but they couldn’t figure out how to save money otherwise.", "90s Thursday's [Must See TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must_See_TV) lineup was when network TV peaked.", "Yes, and send them to me cause a kid in a military style uniform, khaki and blue, rang my doorbell! something about making me buy popcorn, he didn't have a village solicitor ID! Here is a video of his face, please shame him.", "we have a gun range just outside of town. Every week there is a new report of gunshots.", "So the golf thing is the OG?", "I don’t know if it’s specifically that one but that board was famous for the “we are poor here is our budget” kind of posts and it was definitely a good 5 years before his viral tweet.", "Truly ancient internet history lol", "Yeah this convo made me feel really old.", "As a kid that always confused me, I figured that TV stations generally must own reruns of something and that they still could get some ad revenue vs nothing for more than both the cost of the power to broadcast the signal and to have a single low paid intern in the studio. Then again old timey TV stations did lots of other dumb things like throw out or reuse tape of old shows which means they can never show them or sell them again." ]	328	videos	30 Rock - Liz tries to buy a bicycle
https://youtu.be/avjdKTqiVvQ	/r/videos/comments/qmhw2b/still_the_greatest_f_you_to_the_history_of/	[ "And why is that good?", "A classic movie, they was beating that one ape/human down like it was no ones business lol", "oh yknow Kubrick, he's not about any monkey business" ]	4	videos	Still the greatest F you to the history of humanity ever on film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlugF5U7H_U	/r/videos/comments/qmichq/the_movies_are_back/	[ "wow this is trash.", "I liked it.", "Wait... Weren't you just here?", "what? :(", "Dude, is that Sam from WKUK?", "Definitely", "This was just the right level of weird for me. Light scoff at the beginning, followed by 'wow this is still going', followed by just strapping in for the ride.", "You know the thing about a shark…he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, he doesn't seem be living, until he bites ya and the black eyes roll over white.\n\nBut I really do love Jaws.", "The duplicate/deja vu/clone lady clinched it for me.", "the girl who got the coin looks like she'd be pretty hot", "nice opinion just kidding shit opinion LOL", "Oh that's just how she looks." ]	11	videos	THE MOVIES ARE BACK
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmihrr/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmihrr/deleted_by_user/	[ "If you are using a glass made of glass 😂 well done video 👍", "I might actually try that this winter. \n\n\nSide note:\nThe melting point of glass is between 14 and 16 times above the boiling point of water. I think the glass won't melt it any time soon.\n\nNow, if that glass came from the freezer for some reason, you could cause thermal fracturing by heating it up to quickly.", "I hate when I melt my glass glasses with hot water", "Wonder how that taste", "This kid is too funny." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X1Fb4UeQHc	/r/videos/comments/qmit9i/the_hare_is_hiding_the_bunnies/	[ "What is that music, it's familiar.", "\"So long, kids.\"", "Bunny daycare is a rough place", "i want a look into that hole", "Wait, how much does it pass between her visits.. and how don't they run out of oxygen?", "It’s not a hare. You’ll know a hare if you see it because they look like fucked up primordial forest spirits why want to trick you into surrendering ownership of your soul.\n\nThey look like beasts. God was asleep when the devil made hares. Love those guys", "Had a WTF moment the first time I saw one as a kid. It was like if a rabbit and a horse had a mutant baby. Legs for days.", "That's what I was wondering since they have such high metabolisms that would burn through O2 quickly. It may be that there are other entrances to the dug out hole system so there are other entrances feeding air." ]	6	videos	The hare is hiding the bunnies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg	/r/videos/comments/qmj78b/depressed_santa_and_two_drunk_elves_show_up_on/	[ "\"I want a jock strap with a tennis ball\".", "Hahaha that was a riot! Would totally watch these three on a video podcast. The brunette elf is so blitzed lmao she ain't holding nothing back. And Santa is so over it doing the bare minimum.", "\"¿Hey Carlos, como estas?\"", "\"How come your brother got a sweet name and you just got Kevin?\" Proceeds to dunk her elf hat into a tea cup that is definitely full of vodka", "Hahahahah. This was awesome!", "Santa - “I’m so glad to be in Grand Rapids”\n\nDrunk elf 1 - “ Fuck Grand Rapids”. \n\nLmao! This was the best!", "This is one of the best things I have seen in a long time.", "Back in the 80’s in my small rural town there were some public access shows that played the best Japanese manga cartoons and another one played music you didn’t hear on the radio. It was pretty neat.", "Oh shit. It’s gold", "I want to get shitfaced with the brunette.", "\"I'm outta 'water'\", slams mug on table.", "Santa lost control of the situation", "THE ENTIRE TIMNE THE CAMERA SITS ON SANTAS FACE I WAS CRYING LAUGHING I CANT TAHKE ITTT HAUAHUAUH", "santa", "\"Ok.... do we have anybody else on the phone...\"", "Wow 2006, long ago", "Sounds like something straight out of adult swim", "\"Do you listen to Young Jeezy?\"", "Crap, I thought this was a Writing Prompt as I scrolled down...", "This was fucking great. Thanks for the morning laugh. Real life Bad Santa!", "Kids born in 2006 are now able to drive in many states", "> that played the best Japanese manga cartoons\n\nSo... anime?", "\"Anyone who has a foreign or exotic name that is like 4 syllables, make up a fake one because we don't want to deal with it\" lmao", "its the same thing, its all animation.", "Honestly if it was and someone wrote in \"the elf flops forward to dunk her hat into her mug and swirl it around, announcing \"JUST FOR YOU, KEVIN,\" I'd have said it was over the top, lol", "She says enough about grand rapids...", "For sure!", "It was like a train wreck couldn't stop watching lmao", "The screen in the back with the snow keeps glitching out and I'm losing my mind - it fits perfectly. This is like watching depression being acted out by professional actors. \n\nIf anyone asks \"What is depression?\"\n\nSend them this video.", "40oz of fun this Christmas season!!! ksjfdkdjsafksjdfsjf;s;ks \\\\\\BURP\\\\\\", "Even the guest (the kids) obviously come from broken homes kjkdfjkjfkdf\n\n\"...so I don't hit my brother.\"", "I live in Grand Rapids, MI and thought this was a joke and/or a different Grand Rapids until I looked up the phone number and [it is a real show here](https://therapidian.org/santa-take-calls-tweets-live-monday). The linked article is from 2015 and mentioned the show \"was back after a years-long hiatus\". I wonder why? Lol", "I can almost smell the cheap vodka and whiskey kkkkkkk", "The point is that there's a much shorter way to say \"Japanese manga cartoon\" that basically everyone already understands. Also that nobody ever says that, in the first place.\n\nEven back when the west didn't say anime, the common terms were \"Japanese animation\" and \"Japanimation\".", "This is phenomenal", "Lmao WEEB", "\"I want a jock strap and a tennis ball\" wtf am I doing with my day.... I need to get back to work and make some money", "I feel like there's a disproportionately large number of redditors from Michigan.", "Lol that got me for sure. The jock strap with a tennis ball was 😬", "Didn’t she say “enough about Grand Rapids”\n\nI had to listen to it twice cause I heard fuck the first time too\n\nEdit: it’s at 9:50", "The Elves were lighting some serious doobies before the segment started and are working on their tight fives.", "\"What kind of doll? A Cabbage Patch Kid?\"\n\n\"...Nooo.\"\n\n\"WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S DATED??\"\n\nFuck I did a spit take on that one.", "No one on Earth is genius enough to script that.\n\nIt's gotta just come right from the heart", "This [Ho ho ho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg&t=623s) sums it up pretty well.", " in this case the guys specified this cartoon was Japanese and based on a manga. many people outside of the culture dont know what \"anime\" is. i have heard actual people in real life call it Japanese cartoons.", "> japanese manga cartoons\n\nhello based department", "Nope. Animate means \"to move\". \n\nIllustrations are static drawings, animations are the moving pictures.", "I think Santa had enough. 'can we go to a break?' I wonder what the conversations were like between the 'elves' and 'Santa' at the break.", "I can't tell if it's improvised or just really good acting. In any case it's awesome.", "...are you for real lol\n\n\nWAY more people would know what anime is over Japanese maga carton, bc manga isn't mainstream, anime is.", "I would like the 2 elves and the F-150.", "most people in the US dont watch anime, but if you told them i was a Japanese manga cartoon it would give them a better description than hearing a word that is only used by that culture. kinda like if you told someone to connect their charger to your wall plug instead of you \"duplex outlet\". even tho its an old term supper familiarized by electricians, most people dont know what it means.", "Japanamation was the preferred nomenclature of the time.", "2:20 \nElf 1: Britney, is Britney first? What does that say Britnary or Britney?\n\nSanta: Britney? Are you on the line with us Britney?\n\nElf 2: I thought her name was Binary!\n\nElf 1: 1 0 \n\nElf 2: 1 0 0 1", "I swear I saw those elves on girls gone wild", "When I read \"show up\" I assumed they just kinda wandered in unexpectedly. Didn't think it was going to be like a whole planned show.", "cant a cartoon be both a static drawing and a motion picture?", "Also on Catfish. What's going on, Michigan? Who hurt you?", "”Ahh fuck Grand Rapids!”\n\nLmfaooooooo", "Ohio...", "If I recall correctly, this was the same station that had a puppet show that ended up being male genital up-close and costumed.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nedit: I found it! https://www.nexttv.com/news/first-amendment-end-run-103564", "You are right. I had originally heard fuck, but I replayed that part and it was indeed enough", "jesus, tv to open a vein by...", "Santa turned noticeably redder when she said that", "You can tell it's meant to be a local show because the phone number didn't bother to give the area code.", "I think you're weakening your argument here. There is literally no chance that the average American is more familiar with the term \"manga\" over the term \"anime\". The genre menu for Netflix lists Anime as an option, it's not remotely an obscure term. Manga isn't obscure either, but it's certainly less well known as a term.\n\n\"Japanese manga cartoon\" does say more to me than \"anime\" does, but more people will understand what \"anime\" means without being confused by another term they might not know.", "\"Better get a net so you don't break your neck.\" lmao", "I'd watch this porno", "Oh God, this isn't the Grand Rapids subreddit...", "I can imagine they weren't pleasant.", "Fuck grand rapids lol", "Had I not traveled around the great state of Michigan I would have never believed this was real. Now though, i'm not sure.", "Yeah, even on my 3rd glass of wine my writing doesn't get that weird.", "If it weren't for Hawking Hills, Ohio would be obsolete. Just give that section up to Kentucky, and we can kick Ohio out. It can be Atlantic Hawaii, except no one will ever visit.", "This was rough but I couldn’t look away", "It definitely seems like that's what he thought she said, too, at least.", "I really thought it was at first", "That comment about living in the FEMA trailer was awesome.", "I watch it every year haha!", "Cheer up Dave Ramsey", "\"My thigh just jiggled.\" Really?!?!?! What the hell is the story behind this ABSOLUTE shitshow?", "[ Jump to 02:20 @ Public Access Santa 2006](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg&t=0h2m20s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Jef_Leppard, Video Popularity: 97.71%, Video Length: [11:01])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg&t=0h2m15s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Shut up dweeb", "I watch this every holiday season and it always makes me laugh.", "the dejected look on his face as they ruin the show is killing me", ">American is more familiar with the term \"manga\"\n\nim not saying manga, just the words \"japanese cartoons\" is enough for any American who does not watch any anime or manga to understand what it is.", "\"before we get to jacob.. or any other child... i have some guidelines to lay down\" \n\nlmao", "I agree with that, \"Japanese cartoons\" is completely clear, but what I'm saying is that \"anime\" is also immediately understood to mean \"Japanese cartoons\" and it's less confusing than \"Japanese manga cartoons\" to people who don't also know the term \"manga\". Of course pretty much everyone will understand what you mean by \"Japanese cartoons\" but throwing manga into the mix will throw them off if they're not already familiar.\n\nYou know what \"American cartoons\" are, but if I instead said \"American fredent cartoons\", you would then have very little idea of what I was talking about because there's a word thrown in that you don't know. You could guess that I was just talking about a type of American cartoon, but that word you're not familiar with is going to throw you off and you might doubt even that. In this case, I just made up the term fredent, which may seem unfair, but \"manga\" may as well be made up to someone who had never heard it too.", "10:24\n\n\"Ho, ho, huuurrrggh\"\n\nLOL", "no answer", ">you would then have very little idea of what I was talking about because there's a word thrown in that you don't know. \n\ntrue but i imagine its easy for people to filter out words they dont know and this would be more confusing if you already knew what an anime was. i dont really know what we are arguing about this point. i just dont mind when people call things Japanese cartoons instead of anime's, its kind of pointless semantics.", "Jerry as Santa Claus vs. The Ludgate Sisters.", "Article is cool but I mean we need that video", "ho ho ho... big sigh", "Kinda felt bad through the whole thing. Obviously had good intentions to make kids happy, but I think they just ended up being the punching bag, which is super shity, like \"jokes\" at other peoples expense.", "“If the case is overturned, Huffman says he might re-create the trial on the channel using penises to play judge, jury, and lawyers.”", "The brunette was on fucking fire “you’re pretty agreeable”", "I grew up watching public access in GR. [They had some great shit back in the day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0uyqIgesec)", "It's the water", "This has inter dimensional cable vibes.", "I assure you that I do not. Haha!", "There's no way this is fake. And OP was right, those Elves are plastered. Santa is too - but I can see and feel the \"Wow, did she really just say that? She's drunker than I am, I can't believe this is happening\" going through santa's head.\n\nIf this wasn't so funny, this would be top /r/sadcringe material... Instead of it being about the kids it's like they're trying way too hard to be edgy cool... Something about this makes me kinda angry though. Fortunately it's funny AF.", "\"everyone in Houston is naughty I thought we were crossing that off the list\"", "\"I have some guidelines to lay down...\"\n\nLol.", "Oh yeah. I guess I worded that strangely given that I do think it's real haha. I was more of just taking a self deprecating potshot at my semi home state of Michigan than anything :)", "Agreed / felt the same here. They don't give two shits about the kids. They're trying way too hard to be cool. The whole situation is so messed up that it's funny. I'd say everyone up there needs some therapy, lol.", "Dropping an F-Bomb and live public access was the icing on the cake.", "[ Jump to 10:24 @ Public Access Santa 2006](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg&t=0h10m24s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Jef_Leppard, Video Popularity: 97.76%, Video Length: [11:01])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@10:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGfQdIUYDg&t=0h10m19s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Everything the elves said was 😬. OP struck gold on this one... yeesh", "This is top notch /r/DeepIntoYoutube content", "Can I ask for smarmy, drunk, lesbian elves for Christmas?", "Noooo.... that's so fucked up. who does that.", "haha I feel ya. So many mixed feelings about this video. I did watch the whole thing though, lol!", "Lol I didn’t even notice that on the first watch", "wat.", "Looks like he lost the appeal:[https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1487358.html](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1487358.html)\n\nAnd Supreme Court denied hearing his case.\n\n[https://www.courts.michigan.gov/4a4dc1/siteassets/case-documents/uploads/sct/public/orders/20060112\\_s129042\\_90\\_129042\\_2006-01-12\\_or.pdf](https://www.courts.michigan.gov/4a4dc1/siteassets/case-documents/uploads/sct/public/orders/20060112_s129042_90_129042_2006-01-12_or.pdf)\n\nI found him on Facebook. The shows name was “Dick Smart.” You can’t make this stuff up.\n\nHe is adamant it was not his Johnson, but he was still liable because of his assistance in the matter.", "That what I still call it to watch the kid's eye twitch.", "Nah, this was absolute horse shit and pathetically sad. Not a thing about it was entertaining or funny. It was just lame losers thinking they are cool when they are the furthest thing from. Yaaaawn.", "\"Don't worry you'll blackout the bad stuff later\" loooool", "/r/NotTimAndEric", "Kind of ironic considering your drawn out reply to someone voicing a legitimate opinion lol", ">It was just lame losers thinking they are cool when they are the furthest thing from. Yaaaawn.\n\nIronic coming from you.", "Let's not forget about cedar Pointe.", "I have a gut feeling tht the elves were lesbian lmao", "I have Bipolar and am all these people in the video.", "Cartoon, yes. Animation, no.", "I mean, that's not unheard of. I know someone who used to live in one. They bought it. It was from Katrina I think.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_trailer\n\nApparently they are a health hazard though. Lovely.", "Somethings in the water, whether that be lead, or more recently, nearly sulfuric acid.", "Agree. I think this was one of the highest upvoted videos on r/cringe back in the day. Leave it to Reddit to find a top cringe video to be genuinely funny.", "You're really the only one sucking the fun out of anything here dude", "Is gen z bringing back dweeb?", "We have nothing better to do", "Well according to the uploader in the comments:\n\n> Also, I should say that this is \"real\" in that the guy playing Santa did not know the two girls who were playing the elves or that they were going to play the way they did, so his reactions were genuine. When we went to break, he angrily kicked them off the show.", "This video, or are they on every year? I get the impression this is not their first time.", "And it was, in fact, not water.", "Children walk around with 40z that 40 ounces.", "the comments here are surprisingly very positive. did nobody else get annoyed and feel like they were trying too hard to improvise and be funny?", "Yaaaaawn", "Well we've become desensitized to slurs so bringing back high school insults is the future.", "I was going to post the same thing. Some friends of mine knew him, and that was not an act... He took his music seriously.", "As is tradition in Michigan.", "shit i honestly thought it wasnt real at first... but the further i watched... XD.. damn i miss the 2000s", "How is grand rapids? I've been looking into grand rapids or EGR.", "Don’t we all though?", "i'm not going to watch this hole thang, what's the timestamp?!??!", "The 11min was definitely worth it. Wow what a trainwreck. I dont think the Santa was as depressed as he was just pissed at these elves and their drunk shenanigans.", "So cool. I’m in awe.", "Ummm…can you explain it?", "that's almost literally what i just said to my group of friends on snap\n\n\"check this shit... no one on earth could write this skit\"", "Bruh it’s 10 minutes long", "I’ll let someone else take this one. Lol picture someone wearing it..man or woman..and ask yourself why… and it might lead you in the right direction.", "I was getting bored then she dropped the \"ok I'm gonna lay down some guidelines\" and knew hanging in there was the right call", "You sure told him.\n\nJust kidding, you played yourself.", "Me: \"Huh I wonder where this happened?\"\n\nSanta: \"The rain in Grand Rapids\" \n\n\nMe: \"Aaaah yeah okay that makes sense\"", "Is this..is this not an SNL sketch?", "It's a nice city I liked it. Although my friend did just get stabbed while out on Halloween apparently...", "“Are you elves ready to take down some some some toys...”\n\n“We’re ready to take it all down, Santa!”\n\nFucking lol", "When she burped I fucking lost it", "I believe in Santa once again. Depressed 🎅 is my kinda magical guy.", "Santas just sad he's sober. They shoulda shared; it's Christmas :)", "This could be a Wonder Showzen episode or adult swim skit and no one would know the difference", "That was really hard to get through. Fuck that.", "This had to be made with the wonder of Christmas Magic.", "This is some Tim and Eric, Nathan for you type shit.", "The intro makes me lean towards really good acting.", "Still audibly losing my shit over this, the kid just wanted a Bratz doll and a trampoline lmao", "I feel like the elves would beat me at pool, mock my haircut then peg me.", "My life was incomplete until I saw this.", "Not trying to be a dick but I think the word you are looking for is penis", "time stamp?", "There's no way SNL could ever make a sketch this hilarious.", "Nerd.", "Legitimacy of an opinion is by definition subjective.", "When the left girl start lying down because she can't sit right it when you see how messup they are.", "> Hawking Hills\n\nHOCKING Hills, ya inbred yooper!", "I thought it was cool. You came off as randomly butthurt though.", "I went to middle school with that guys son around that time. I ended up having an internship at GRTV around 2006-2007 and it was absolutely wild how many bizarre people came through to be on public access.", "Fuck.", "I think it’s pretty lame to call randos “lame losers” for thinking a video is funny, all while trying to seem nonchalant, whatever though", "I didn't hear it? Was it:\n\n \"grand rapids is such a great city\"\n\n\"No it's fucking not!\"", "If this was a podcast I would subscribe", "Dammit! I even googled it to check, but didn't read the results clearly. Guess I'm an inbred yooper :(", "They called the elves lame losers, you read it wrong.", "Grand Rapids, MI or Grand Rapids, MN? Is there a significant difference?", "9:52", "🙄 it was clearly intended to shame and insult people for thinking the video was funny", "I bet that sums up a lot of that poor Santa's decisions.", "that's a lot of minutes", "You pasty eatin' sonnovabitch.\n\nEat some real food, like spaghetti covered in chili or fried sauerkraut balls.", "How? They insulted the people in the video only. You decided to take it as a personal attack on your tastes.", "My understanding from memory was just genitalia. I was unsure which specific organs were involved until I found the article.\n\nP.s. fantastic pun!", "Okay", "“Everyone in Houston is naughty”\n\nnods in Dodger fan", "It was 2006, they had their moments then.", "r/nottimanderic", "Feels like it's straight out of a Tim and Eric skit lol.", "I thought it was just a bulge joke. Tennis ball + jock strap = makes it look like you have a big dick and balls", "I love it here but I'm admittedly biased! Where would you be moving from?", "This just screams Trailer Park Boys vibes to me.", "Daaaaad-daaa.... Stoooopppp! Your title jokes are embarrassing-gaaaa!", "Why do I get the feeling this is court ordered community service?", "WA but I'm actually from the area. Great up in battle creek/colon and moved away for a few years then back to kalamazoo for school and then out to WA. Wife is sort of making making us move back so I told her I wanted to go somewhere more active and what not than kalamazoo and I've got a coworker who lived here and then moved to EGR and says it's great.", "They succeeded, I was cackling all the way through", "Is pete davidson the little blonde girl elf?", "I should have used “valid” instead, but what you’re nitpicking at has no affect on the point I was trying to make. Thank you though.", ".", "Save some jaw for the rest of us, Stevie.", "Thank you, God.", "Wait hold up. I didn’t hear it. You’re not talking about where she says “oh enough about Grand Rapids” are you?", "I feel like she should be famous by now.", "SOMEONE MUST SHARE THIS VIDEO", "Christmas at London!", "I mean, that's how Mystery Science Theater 3000 got started so you know there's gonna be some characters coming through.", "Especially when this is from 2006.", "I'm British and live in England but I did live in Lansing for 4 years. Place is crazy lol.", "\"Shame and insult\"\n\nGrow a pair lmao", "We'd love to have you here! I lived by Kzoo ages ago and prefer Grand Rapids, though I imagine a lot has changed since I was last in the Kzoo area. \n\nEGR is beautiful! Lots of great shops and restaurants plus its close to downtown GR. I'm in the NE part of town and love it here, too (though it is not quite as nice as EGR)!", "Yeah, I stay out of Lansing. The only reason to go there is for Elderly Instruments.", "I'm sure that PornHub has some.", "I made it to “I wrecked into a ditch on the three wheel rollerblade.” I feel so bad for Brittanary.", "Nearly died watching that", "Sure", "It’s cringe without the cringe", "> It's two people being harmless assholes\n\nTo kids dude... Don't be assholes to kids. They don't know wtf is going on. They just want to call and talk to Santa and all of a sudden some adult is acting weird and saying their brother has a better name than them. Can't be a good feeling that follows. Pretty cunty.", "Blitzened", "I fucking hate ohio. I lived there for a winter and had to go to therapy. Glass it from space.", "“I’m out of water.“ Yeah, water....", "Where are they now?", "Yeah, the Santa seems just sad they're ruining it, but just drunk enough that he can't figure out how to fix it.", "Fuck Grand Rapids", "If you read in the comments, the guy who knew the girls and set up the video explains that the guy playing Santa had no idea what was going on so his reactions were genuine but the girls knew they would he ruining his show", "I had to scroll way too far to see that referenced.", "Michigander checking in!", "A Midwestern sentence if ever I heard one", "Really... Good? This is terrible", "Yeah he didn't even realize it happened. Then I guess like no one would believe him for a minute cuz it was fucking Halloween...", "coward", "This is what you get when you pay elves less than a living wage. Does Santa think that elves will be dedicated or committed when they can't even afford rent?", "Hay, definitely could have. Maybe Santa heard it wrong, because his reaction to it was like she said fuck.", "\"If you have a name longer than four syllables, please just come up with a fake name cause we don't want to have to deal with it.\"", "Maybe its to press the ball... in.", "Totally", "Please let them be on every year", "You must have heard it then silly!", "For a minute I 100% thought it was SNL.\n\nThey should do this.", "That’s verbatim one of the comments on YT.", "He's correct, I have no opinion on people who enjoyed this, I personally found the skit super sad and pathetic, to the very cringe point. \n\nThat however is just my personal taste and opinion and I respect others feel differently.", "Does anyone know if these women are still alive? Feel like Santa drove a long way with them in the back of his sleigh.", "Ill bring the safety net.", "Cocaine and alcohol.", "!RemindMe December 20", "She said she's from New Orleans, and this was from 2006, and Katrina was 2005. Feel like we're learning a lot about this elf.", "Santa looks kinda pissed ngl", "!remindMe 5 hours", "“Get these truck stop hookers out of here” was involved supposedly", "Did he say the song is dedicated to all satyrs?", "From Santa’s big Ford plug to when he perked up when the kid said motor “motor!? Did somebody say motor?” Cracked me up", "So we even have any sponsors?", "I mean, it couldn't be the people at /r/cringe are simpley shit people. Yeah, can't be that.\n\nThis video is hilarious", "There's some wild public access stuff out there. The great satan at large, from the internet archive\n\n>\"The Great Satan At Large was a public access TV show that lasted one unholy episode in 1991 before being canceled by the deeply offended and seriously freaked-out management of Tucson, Arizona’s channel 49. Faced with obscenity charges and the possibility of 40 years in prison, the show’s creator and diabolical host, Lou Perfidio (the Great Satan), fled Arizona with blood-hungry Feds and rabid Christian dogs nipping at his cloven hooves.\n\n>Airing at the family hour of 6:00 p.m. on a channel known for its Christian programming, The Great Satan At Large featured dinner-time filth for the whole Satan-worshiping family. While chroma-keyed videos of Adolf Hitler, under-age strippers, titty twisters and masturbating jesters intercut with celluloid transgressions by Richard Kern and Nick Zedd glistered in the background like freshly slung wads of pixilated cum, the chain-smoking, beer-swilling Perfidio assaulted the viewer with every vile thought his unfiltered id could extrude. He was Johnny Carson re-incarnated as G.G. Allin with a twisted pinch of Anton LaVey and a schmear of Al Goldstein.\n\n>When he wasn’t incarnating Satan, Perfidio was a Temple University graduate, self-proclaimed “Greatest Pinball Player of All Time,” a contributor to Vending Times magazine, sportswriter, and raging alcoholic. His former friend Jim Goad of ANSWER Me! magazine described Lou “as a fat, bearded, farting, filthy-mouthed, passionate punk rocker” who drank so much that “in his twenties, he had the body of a sixty-year-old.” Despite being perpetually hammered, Perfidio could write and did so on his blog I Love Misery.\n\n>Lou died at the age of 43 in 2006 of MRSA, flesh-eating bacteria, pneumonia and high blood pressure - a hellish end for a man who would be God of darkness.\" - dangerousminds / Marc Campbell", "You're right, she doesn't say \"fuck\".", "Thanks! 31 upvotes and one reply", "LMAO this is the spirit of Christmas right here", "Santa: \"I think we need to go to commercial \\\\now\\\\*.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nControl Room: \"This is great. Keep going.\"", "What does and elf have to do to get another glass of \"water\" around here?", "Tim and Eric vibes", "I thought she dropped F-bomb the first time but I played it back and she says “oh enough about Grand Rapids”", "Maybe it’s like that thing from the Rihanna and T.I. song “Live Your Life” where some people hear “Cuz I’mma paper chaser” and others hear “Cuz I’mma big fuckin’ slut.” \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=koVHN6eO4Xg&vidve=5727&autoplay=1\n\nListen at 1:32. I can hear both, but don’t look at her lips.", "haha nice" ]	280	videos	Depressed Santa and two drunk elves show up on public access kids phone-in show. It goes just as well as you can imagine
https://youtu.be/Pscqvxiqbfs	/r/videos/comments/qmjhfj/ww2_ship_wrecks_in_the_java_sea_being_illegally/	[ "1. It's in international waters\n\n2. It's almost 100 years old now\n\n3. The dead should serve the living\n\n4. Nobody else was giving a fuck about the wreck until someone was profiting from it", "5 maritime salvage", "Seems like a lot of hand wringing over an over inflated issue", "Pre-trinity test steels are needed for devices.\n\nAfter the detonation of the first nuclear bomb, the air has too much background radiation which mixes with the metal during smelting.\n\nOnly steel created before this time is useable in extrememly precise radiation sensors.", "Good", "\"The biggest grave robbery in history\" when people reclaim scrap metal within their national borders.\n\nLooks at the contents of the British National Museum. Hmm where did all these [actual human remains](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/may/19/ancient-lives-new-discoveries-egyptian-mummies-british-museum) come from?", "Seems like a small issue been blown out of proportion", "The point you're trying to make is a whataboutism.\n\nIt is possible to believe that those who exumed and took the bodies now found in the British National Museum, as well as those who did the same to the sailors in these ships, are both in the wrong.\n\nBut to play into your whataboutism, I believe the creator of the video calling it the \"biggest grave robbery in history\" takes into account the relatively short time frame it took place in. Whereas I imagine the collection in the British National Museum took some time to amass.\n\nAlso the article you linked states the museum has \"over 100 mummies\". But the amount of individual remains affected in the series of events referenced in the video would likely be in the hundreds, if not over 1000 sailors.", "I think the main issue is that it's not known what is happening to the remains still inside of the ships.\n\nI assume most of them are being lost/discarded during the salvaging and sorting of these operations.", "The British museum _has_ over 100 mummies. Vastly more than that were dug up and removed. They used to grind them up for medicine among other weird practices.\n\nAlso, when we think of Egyptian mummies the peak/golden age of research into them really only started in the early 1900s and didn't go on that long, only really 30ish years.", ">Only steel created before this time is useable in extrememly precise radiation sensors.\n\nNo it isn't. It's one way to get low background steel - it isn't the only source.\n\n[It also isn't really a problem anymore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel)\n>Since the cessation of atmospheric nuclear testing, background radiation has decreased to very near natural levels,[4] making special low-background steel no longer necessary for most radiation-sensitive applications, as brand-new steel now has a low enough radioactive signature that it can generally be used in such applications.[5]", "Thats fair, I hadn't looked into the issue for a few years.\n\nIt may still be cheaper to salvage old ships for some manufacturers.", "Ok, I guess I assumed that the collection of mummies for the purpose of studying them had been going on for a bit longer than 1900. But looking a little deeper I see now that it did only start around that time.\n\nI also didn't consider that, like the scrappers in the video, these mummies weren't always exumed with the intention of preservation.\n\nMy point still stands to the original person I replied to, that it is in fact possible to believe that practices carried out by both are wrong.", "For sure. That said, while they're both wrong, rich English people grabbing human remains along with anything shiny and selling off whatever they could is more bad than scrappers working around skeletal remains.", "It's not a whataboutism its a direct comparison.\n\n> It is possible to believe that those who exumed and took the bodies now found in the British National Museum, as well as those who did the same to the sailors in these ships, are both in the wrong.\n\nOne case is direct theft and continued display of human remains, one case is disturbing human remains to salvage metal. Which one is worse? Again, a direct comparison. \n\n> But to play into your whataboutism, I believe the creator of the video calling it the \"biggest grave robbery in history\" takes into account the relatively short time frame it took place in. Whereas I imagine the collection in the British National Museum took some time to amass.\n\nThen that would be the fastest grave robbery, not the biggest no? How do words even work?\n\n> Also the article you linked states the museum has \"over 100 mummies\". But the amount of individual remains affected in the series of events referenced in the video would likely be in the hundreds, if not over 1000 sailors.\n\nAre they salvaging the sailors or the ship? Those sailor's remains are likely still at the site. The mummies as well as their gold and artifacts are in the museum. Which is worse?", "Probably the same thing that's been happening for the last 100 years the current and sea water will be breaking down the remains and blowing them away", "While we are on the topic of grave robbery, Egypt ring a bell?", "We cared so little about the remains we left them there for 80 years to rot at sea, why would we care now?\n\nAnd thats ignoring the obvious that there is basically zero chance that identifiable remains are still around. We purposefully left those bodies there to be fish food.", "> It may still be cheaper to salvage old ships for some manufacturers.\n\ntotally, its going to be way cheaper to get a crew and a ship, and travel to the middle of the ocean to drag up some steel, instead or just ordering it from michigan and having it delivered.\n\nwait...", " The graverobbers creed right here.", "Well someone is obviously doing it.\n\nClearly they are wasting millions of dollars for no benefit.\n\nWait...", "the people salvaging are not doing it to sell Pre-trinity steel.\n\nthe market for Pre-trinity is dead, its cheaper to just buy a sheet of what you need.\n\nthat doesnt mean other markets dont exist. its not a complex idea.", "Seems like they're doing the world a service cleaning up the seas.", "They've been dead underwater nearly a hundred years, there is no remains.", "\"Graverobbing is cool as long as it makes enough money!\"", "It's not about money, it's about practicality. When something falls apart in nature its materials are repurposed, the same thing happened here. The people who are doing these salvage projects aren't private collectors or corporate entities, it's poor, coastal people who don't even have electricity or plumbing.\n\nThere is literally zero excuses you could give here as to why the scrappers should be condemned for doing what they did.", "I assure you, rail cars are MUCH easier to scrap than sunk battleships.", "Did you even watch the video? The breaking up of those wrecks is a massive undertaking with tons of equipment and personnel involved. Poor people don't fund large crane ships and crews, the criminals who hire them do and the majority of profit doesn't go to the poor.\n\nThis would be like if someone paid people below minimum wage to go to an old cemetery, load all the gravestones on trucks and crush them up for garden gravel. Because hey, they were just going to waste there and the dead should serve the living.", "They talk about pre-war steel in the video. IMO this would be the only reason to be going after these ships. What countries that have large nuclear capability would be doing this in secret. \n\nhmm I wonder", "Aren't these in international waters? Does that make it anyone's to go and pick over?", "Glad you see it the practical way,far to much resource and energy is wasted on primative rites for the dead.Once they are no longer using that body then its just resource.", "Territorial waters go out 12 nautical miles and then you get contiguous zone for another 12. Then you get up to 200 miles of exclusive economic zone. It is unlikely that in that contested area these countries get the full 200. \n\nFrom this video wrecks like the Japanese transports are for sure in the contiguous zone. The Java sea isn't more than 200 nautical wide so even those British ships are on someone's land. Being warships they're technically the sovereign territory of their owning state, but possession being 9/10ths of the law...", ">illegal\n\nSays who?", "Bad take. There was no chance to recover those bodies because the Japanese occupied the area until the end of the war. Burial at sea and war graves is a real thing, protected under international law.", "wow. Very edgy, you must be very popular on /r/atheism", "Except that by international law, those are recognized war graves and still owned by their country of origin.", "Which international law? Cite it. UNESCO only has guidelines.", "Sovereign immunity through UNCLOS.", "So make it legal and tax them. Done.", "As a merchant navy engineer.\n\nNo one cares.\n\nThey have been fish food for over 100 years, nothing remains, the steel is very useful and valuable, especially in scientific instruments.\n\nLet's use it.\n\nOr we can just burn a shit tonne of energy to produce new and worse stuff", "That's how steel production works you just order it and it appears from thin air.\n\nDefinitely doesn't take an insain amount to of energy to make.\n\nIf the economics didn't work then people wouldn't do it, the economics obviously do work.", "Or its useful sure.\n\nWhen I die chop me up and use whatever, I'm not using it.\n\nAnd do any of the modern faiths think you can take it with you?", "Which part of [UNCLOS](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea/Part_II)? Subsection C article 32 specifically states that UNCLOS doesn't effect warships. \n\nIt's about ships navigating, not shipwrecks and salvage. That's covered under the UNESCO guidelines because once you wreck you're a \"cultural heritage site\" not sovereign warship.", "Shitty sarcasm aside, From the point of view of a customer yes it does magically appear.\n\nyou bring up economics like it makes you smart well the economics make it so that it magically appears When you make a phone call.", "The customers point is irrelevant if you are talking about price\n\n>totally, its going to be way cheaper to get a crew and a ship, and travel to the middle of the ocean to drag up some steel, instead or just ordering it from michigan and having it delivered.\n\nIf it was cheaper it wouldn't be done", "You're aware the men who died on those ships still having living relatives right? People very much do care or there wouldn't be such a stink about it.", "Curtain twitchers with nothing better to do.", "You really need to do your own research here. I'll give you a hint. See cases involving Spanish war ships. Even for the ships laying in territorial waters, if the Indonesian government did not take ownership the rights lie with the original country. Spending 5 minutes searching the internet would yield some insight.", "There are two good examples of salvaging Spanish ships. The [Nuestra Señora de Atocha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Se%C3%B1ora_de_Atocha) was found in US exclusive economic zone but outside the territorial waters. That case is between the salvagers and The State Of Florida. If Spain can claim sovereign immunity on their ships why didn't they in this case?\n\nThe case you're referencing is [Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Señora_de_las_Mercedes) The Spanish ship was in Spain's waters and that case was settled in US federal court. Here is a scholarly [article](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1619330) on the issues involved.\n\nDon't write\n\n> Spending 5 minutes searching the internet would yield some insight.\n\nwhen you've yet to refute any of my sourced claims or source counterclaims of your own. \"Lol ur wrong do your own research\" is a terrible argument.", ">Being warships they're technically the sovereign territory of their owning state\n\nYou wrote this yourself in another comment, so either you agree with me or you're completely bipolar.", "They're the sovereign territory of their owning state while they're ships, not while they're wrecks. We covered this above.\n\nSo let me get this straight, you make a claim then cite UNCLOS which doesn't agree with you. Then you tell me to do my own research, I provided two examples you don't engage with and a scholarly article that goes into the subject in depth. You don't engage with that either. \n\nWhy should I try to convince you you're wrong when you won't engage with my evidence nor will you provided anything other than your opinion to prove you're correct? It's no surprise you're into guns, you certainly don't have the capacity to reason your way out a situation.", "Every single one of those countries (U.K. U.S. Australia, the Dutch etc) are of the opinion that they are protected. The salvage was done illegally. None of those countries have relinquished their rights to the ships. When it goes to court, there is no way there would be ruling other than the fact that they are of significant cultural and historical value and should be protected. And yes, it should be no surprise I am into firearms, as the power should be in the hands of the worker and the people.\n\nYou on the other hand are advocating for destroying historical sites and war graves and have absolutely 0 consideration for others or even basic empathy.", "> as the power should be in the hands of the worker and the people.\n\nlol not the brainpower though, that's not worth investing in apparently.\n\nYou just keep giving your opinion, but you don't engage with the facts and laws I've cited even though they disagree with you. You don't cite any that support your opinion.\n\nWhat is the difference between the two different Spanish ships? What about UNCLOS supports your opinion? Why doesn't the section I quoted support mine? Can you even keep your eyes open long enough to read through the article I linked? You won't answer these questions, again. \n\nYou continue to predict potential rulings to cases and situations you clearly don't understand and then when presented with evidence of that fact you just cross your arms and say \"nuh uh.\" If this is the reason and discourse that's gonna be used when \"power is in the hands of the worker and the people\" then sign me up for the Ayn Rand utilitarian hellworld 'cause at least the trains will run on time and the law will be administered by people who actually read it before spewing their opinion on it.", "You know, I went and read the treaty and I couldn't find a concrete answer that proves my point. Point to you. What I did read was that the treaty doesn't have a concrete way to deal with situations like this and that it has long been needed. \n\nThat said, the salvage was still illegal, as neither country that could possibly own any of the wrecks gave permission (and never would.) You're still supporting the destruction of historical sites, grave robbery, and illegal activity, so I'll take the W. Thanks.", "Bro.\n\n\"I finally read the source material and nothing proves my point. I declare victory.\"\n\nWhen does your circus come to the west coast so I can laugh at you in person you fucking clown. Holy shit. What a waste of time.", "So you're saying the salvage wasn't illegal? Are you going to argue that? It was still an illegal operation, just not in the way I thought.", "Honk Honk clown. Don't step in elephant shit.", "A guy advocating for destruction of history and grave looting calling other people a clown. Priceless.", "Hey clown, is the reason you can fit so many clowns inside one tiny car because your brains and opinions are so thin that they can compress almost infinitely? Everything else you're made of is hot air. \n\nYou've yet to cite a source. If your opinion is correct why wasn't it a crime when they salvaged the Nuestra Señora de Atocha? You don't know because you don't process new information that disagrees with your opinions. That's how I know what kind of clown you are.\n\n[A sad one](https://the-artifice.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/sad-clown-wide.jpg).\n\nHonk Honk Clown.", "Cite a source, clown.\n\nIf they had permissions and permits how did the state of Florida sue them? You don't know any of these issues but you wanna get tied up in all the small things. All the small things. [All the small things.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZoyCSffM7I)\n\n\nSad clown. Honk Honk.", " \nAccording to well-established rules of international law, ships qualifying as warships8 enjoy sovereign immunity.9 However, it is not entirely settled whether \nwarships continue to enjoy sovereign immunity after being sunk.10 \nWhile some concede that “the international law on sunken military craft is \nstill evolving,”11 others take the view that even if the wreck remains \nthe property of the flag State it no longer enjoys sovereign immunity because a sunken warship is no longer capable of performing exclusively governmental non-commercial functions.12 The distinction between ownership and sovereign immunity is important, especially if a ship operated for exclusively governmental non-commercial purposes is not owned by the flag State.13 If ownership rests with the flag State, there is no requirement to make that distinction, because as State property they continue to enjoy sovereign immunity \nThe fact that a sunken warship is no longer capable of exercising exclu- \nsively governmental functions does not deprive it of its sovereign immune status.17 There is overwhelming evidence in case law, governmental state- \nments, and scholarly publications that sunken warships continue to enjoy \nsovereign immunity unless the flag State has expressly abandoned the vessel and \nwaived its right to claim sovereign immunity.18 \n[Naval War College](https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1721&context=ils)\n\nIts okay to bow out now and start investing in your clown car.", "You can sue for just about anything, at least in American courts. Doesn't mean you'll win. Florida never had claim to that ship, it was a Spanish ship, and Spain wasn't involved in the lawsuit. The treasure hunters won because of that. Had Spain sued, its quite possible it could've gone the other way. You're just not as smart as you like to think you are, despite you desperately trying to justify your immoral position. Cope and seethe kiddo.", "From the only source you've ever cited.\n\n> The relevant language originally provided:\n\n\n> As a matter of fact, subject to the availability of skilled divers, time, re-sources, etc., ‘possible measures’ may include entering a sunken vessel to search for, and collect, the bodies of the dead trapped inside. As a matter of international humanitarian law, however, Article 18 does not appear to go as far as requiring that. Sunken warships and other ships sunken with their crews constitute war graves, which must be respected. These vessels regain their entitlement to sovereign immunity once they have sunk.\n\n\n> Later, the drafters modified this paragraph of the Commentary and deleted the last sentence concerning sovereign immunity.\n\nLATER, THE DRAFTER MODIFIED THIS PARAGRAPH OF THE COMMENTARY AND DELETED THE LAST SENTENCE CONCERNING SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY. \n\nWolff Heintschel von Dickbag can suck my nuts, neither he nor you care about the actual law, which you've both now cited. He cited the law, then spent 2 paragraphs citing sources that agree with me in that sunk ships don't retain sovereign immunity before concluding that they do.\n\nVon Dickbag does it again in regards to if wrecks are wargraves.\n\n> However, international treaties neither regulate nor define the concept of war graves at sea.\n\nthen immediately afterward he says\n\n> However, in the author’s view, any space or location where the dead find their enduring last rest qualifies as a war grave;\n\ncool dude, in my opinion your mom's a ho. Guess that's international law now.\n\nOf course you cite this guy, both of you read the law then say whatever you want about it.\n\nYou're really gonna have to do better than this if you want to [take me on](https://aberrantkenosis.bandcamp.com/track/honk-on-me).\n\nHonk Honk Clown.", "Wait so you're just dropping Von Dickbag's argument? \n\nHonk Honk Clown.\n\n\nIs it because agreeing with his logic makes your mom a ho?\n\n> Florida never had claim to that ship, it was a Spanish ship, and Spain wasn't involved in the lawsuit. \n\nTHEN WHY DIDN'T SPAIN SUE? We know they care because they sued for the ship that was in THEIR WATERS. It's almost like now that you're forced to engage with my sources you can't hold the opinions you do. If they claimed one ship why not claim the other if they can? The reason is they can't because sunk ships aren't sovereign territory and even your source von Dickbag agrees.\n\nGet [dunked](https://youtu.be/mtxt-4AsnkQ?t=46) on.\n\nHonk Honk Clown.", "Professor Dr. Wolff Heintschel von Heinegg holds the Chair of Public Law, especially Public International law, European Law and Foreign Constitutional Law at the Europa-Universität Viadrina in Frankfurt (Oder), Germany.\n\nPretty sure he's way more qualified than either you or I to make those statements. He has lots of references for his statements, while you have very little. You keep frothing at the mouth, but I don't see you posting anything that says what the salvagers did was legal. Why is that? Probably because you can't.", "We don't know why Spain didn't sue at the time. Maybe it was a decision by the government at the time, and with the changing of government via elections their position changed. Your childish attacks only show your weak position. You didn't like the opinion of a guy a 100 times more qualified than you, cool. Post your own source that says the looting of the wrecks in the South Java Sea was legal. Go ahead. Knock yourself out. I'll read anything, even your secret clown porn stories.", "Cool now I know which school to go to if I want a trash education. His references disagree with him and he admits it. Do you deny this? His logic makes your mom a ho. He didn't back up his own claims but he sure backed up his opposition's.\n\nYou're just not gonna address the difference between the two Spanish ships because it ruins your point and proves mine. \n\nHonk Honk Clown.\n\nAppeal to authority doesn't make a thing illegal. Number of sources don't make a thing illegal. An actual law makes a thing illegal. There isn't one that prevents the actions of the salvagers. Neither you nor Von Dickbag can produce one or you would have.\n\nThere isn't a law that says \"salvaging is legal here.\" That's not how laws work, they are proscriptive not prescriptive. I can't produce a thing that doesn't exist. I'm not a magician.\n\nYou must have me confused with another act in your circus.", "Bro if you made all this noise just for clown porn all you had to do was ask.\n\n[Honk Honk Clown.](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/13389581/1/Clown-love?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=VoaZKVIl.3CS.vDTIcBYSpX5tNBYkf1qsczgpI6MFlk-1636233969-0-gaNycGzNCFE)\n\nIt's more internally consistent that your arguments at least.", "Curious, if its not illegal, why did the Indonesian government catch, detain, and arrest the salvagers?\n\n[Link](http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2017/05/update-indonesia-captures-shipwreck-thieves/)", "Because its a Chinese ship working for a Malaysian company illegally salvaging a wreck in Indonesian waters. Because wrecks don't have sovereignty, the ship is Indonesian property. The Malaysian navy recognized this and helped the Indonesians arrest them.\n\nIt's like you didn't read the article. \n\nNow you'll abandon this like you abandoned the Spanish ships and von Dickbag's argument (because it makes your mom a ho). You should just abandon your keyboard and seek your [true calling](https://www.theclownschool.com/).\n\nHonk Honk Clown.", "So your stance is that the wrecks are Indonesian property? Since the Indonesian government hasn't given permission to salvage these wrecks, that means all the salvage done has been illegal right?\n\nSo you've been spending countless posts trying to justify your own terrible stance and are promoting illegal activity. Got it.", "Bro your brain is really all or nothing huh?\n\n> Since the Indonesian government hasn't given permission to salvage these wrecks, that means all the salvage done has been illegal right?\n\nNot all the salvage, Indonesia (or a company given permission by Indonesia) could savage the wrecks in this example, but a Chinese ship working for a Malaysian company for sure can't. \n\nThis is different from the video and von Dickbag who say that the ships are still the property of their original country. They're not and I've given evidence why, which you've not refuted. I've wasted enough time here. I will always think of you when I think of [ships sinking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hIMvZTc1A).\n\n\n\nDearest Clown,\n\nOur time together in this thread about international salvage laws has meant little to me. I've come to realize that you are to dumb to be worth talking to. I really did give you a chance, but your natural buffoonish nature prevented you from seeing reason. I wish you the best in clown school and will always think of you whenever I see a clown with a gun. Tell von Dickback his opinions don't make international law. Tell your mom she's a ho. Goodbye.\n\nHonk Honk Clown,\n\nSkastacular", "This is why I come to reddit. Never short of people with bad opinions and terrible takes who drop grade school tier insults. I'll be sure to honk the horn once for you while driving to work.\n\nI'll take von Dickbag's opinion over yours. You take care and have fun now." ]	73	videos	WW2 Ship Wrecks in the Java Sea being Illegally Scrapped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgs2WTlkp5g	/r/videos/comments/qmjkwf/the_legend_of_youareanidiotorg/	[ "You know what I’m talking about, you’ve seen it.", "[Are you an idiot?](https://youareanidiot.cc/)", "He likes to vocal fryyyy \nthe last worrrd \nin each phraseeeeee" ]	4	videos	The Legend of YouAreAnIdiot.org
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmjx67/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmjx67/deleted_by_user/	[ "The thumbnail pic is of a (rare) good mainstream modern movie. So not sure it’s worth watching this vid?", "If you listen to the first minute or so of the video it makes it very clear this is going to be one of those \"Let me shit on things in an exaggerated way because that is what gets views since Maddox was a thing\".", "> Maddox \n\nthats a name i havent heard in a long time.", "I think I’m getting numb to outrage. I don’t really care if some guy hates something I like, or is just fine, any more…", "Are we lumping all modern movies together now?", "Same dumb ass vid got posted a few days ago. It's clickbait nonsense.", "Yes and only this anonymous rando has all the answers. /s", "Written by children? This guy is just going off on people for no reason here. Everything is made to be family friendly because you can sell more seats if the whole family goes, and if the kids like it you can sell a shitload of toys and some terrible cartoon spinoff.", "I'll summarize the video for you: Old trek (specifically Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country), and Star Trek: The Next Generation were good. Every \"modern\" movie and TV show is bad, except Dune.\n\nHis reaoning: Modern movies need to make gazillions of dollars to pay for the special effects, so they have to appeal to the all-important teenager crowd, and so they are written as if the people watching them are basically children and can't understand subtlety. Also, they are written for people with short attention spans who would get bored if an important scene with characters exploring their feelings lasts for more than 30 seconds.\n\nNow, I happen to agree with him (although I haven't seen Dune yet... hopefully next weekend), but your mileage may vary, especially if you saw some of these \"modern\" movies when you were at the golden age (around 11 years old), where whatever you see at that age is going to be cemented in your mind as the best thing ever.", "I would say some modern movies suck because not all are going to be good and there’s a lot more of them being made. Have you seen old movies and old TV? They’re not all gems either.", "I wonder if the narrator could whine anymore during that video.\n\nFor real, though. Entertainment comes in an almost infinite amounts of forms. Some people like simple entertainment. Doesn't make them children or stupid. Some people like philosophical and \"smart\" movies. That's cool. You wanna think while being entertained? Nothing wrong with that. But the second someone who prefers one form of entertainment starts belittling a group of people who like something different I draw the line. The guy is just being a dick because his standards for movies aren't met.", "Yeah, that's stupid. Go back and re-watch some of the sci-fi fantasy classics from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. They are mostly just as dumb as the movies today.", "Well, no shit. \n\nAre you going to make a movie and not want to make a profit?", "Fair point. Comparing random modern movies to the best movies that came out 40 years ago is not a great idea. Comparing some of the best recent sci-fi movies from today (e.g. Arrival, just to pick one example) would probably be a better idea.", "I mean, you kinda chose shit examples here. You chose material that is meant for all ages in massive universes with A LOT of stories to tell. And although it is kinda childish, they are telling new or continuing stories. Those multiple universes all existed in the lore, and are major aspects of those stories being told. I get not liking them, but not everything was made for everyone to like.\n\nWhat would have been a better example would be like ghostbusters, they just wont let that die, and there is no other source material. Fast and furious, cause cars can go to space. I do agree the number of remakes and recycled plots is absurd, but its going to be hard to stop that pattern when theres always a new generation that could be introduced to the story being told." ]	15	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YexzjxytNdo	/r/videos/comments/qmk4ki/swiss_airforce_showing_off/	[ "Normally, the thumbnails for these sorts of videos are fake AF. This one, however, deserves at least 15 seconds of your attention.\n\nEdit, and therefore a risky watch.", "Surprised they aren’t holding their ears. Had a F16 do a LFB 30 meters above my head a few years ago during an exercise and it was the loudest fucking thing I've heard. I was literally dizzy afterwards.", "What’s with all the fart noises?", "Reminds me of the Mach Loop. I need to go there one day.", "1:20\n\n\"laws of physics? Let's go with 'suggestions of physics' ok?\"", "Stupid question but when they drop those sprites and do a roll do they have to manually do all that or is that programmed in and they just punch it up?", "Big gun go BRRRRT", "TIl the Swiss have an AirForce.\n\nCool vid.", "Those dudes just hanging off that helicopter rope waving are having the time of their lives lmao", "Not quite the comforting 30mm BRRRRT fart I'm familiar with, more of a gentle queef.", "You mean the chaff? The flares from the back? Those are done with the push of a button", "We do - and since early 2019, it can even be deployed [outside of office hours](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-air-force-finally-on-call-around-the-clock/46253116)!", "What is this? I can't imagine it's an air show as they are doing live firings. You'd imagine that would be a big no no to have live rounds at an air show. So this looks more like a demonstration of some sort?\n\nEdit: The video description provided the answer. Not an air show. But a demnostration that the public is invited to.\n\n>Axalp is, in my humble opinion, very likely the best air show on earth, although the Swiss Air Force will be quick to tell you that it’s not really an airshow, rather, it’s a live-fire training exercise to which the public is invited. It’s officially named Fliegerschiessen Axalp, which translates to Air Force Live Fire Axalp.\r \nIt’s an exercise that’s held on top of a mountain in the Swiss Alps, uphill from the ski town of Axalp. Attendance requires getting to Switzerland, a long drive, a bus ride that’s almost as exciting as the show itself, a chairlift ride, then a hike up the last 1,000 vertical feet.", "[ Jump to 01:20 @ Referenced Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YexzjxytNdo&t=0h1m20s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Elwyn R, Video Popularity: 98.76%, Video Length: [05:41])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YexzjxytNdo&t=0h1m15s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Yeah but do they have to push that button with one hand and roll with another hand?", "Calls for greater readiness on the part of the air force have existed for years, but they became front-page news in 2014 when a hijacked Ethiopian Airlines passenger plane landed in Geneva at about 6am.\n\nWhile Italian and French military aircraft were scrambled to accompany the plane, Switzerland couldn’t deploy any jets and intervene because the air force only worked during office hours ****(8am-12pm and 1.30pm-5pm).\n\nHow very Swiss lol", "20mm on the F-16. Two thirds the fun, 100% still could turn me and my friends into raspberry jam...", "They use a so called HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) configuration for steering. They're basically two joysticks with a butt load of buttons so you don't have to take your hands off the controls for most things.", "Whooooaa!!! That's awesome thanks. I can't even use two buttons simultaneously on my XBOX controller.", "Never mess with Swiss military, it will end so badly for anyone trying to invade that country.", "Chaff and flares are two different things. These appear to be flares. Chaff is a bunch of metal shavings to throw off radar. Flares are used to throw off heat seeking missiles.", ">100% still could turn me and my friends into raspberry jam...\n\nWhich is why I carefully temper my shit-talking about them lol.\n\nAlso, I think these are F-18's. F-16's are single engine, F-15's are huge, and I don't think anyone uses F-14's anymore outside Iran.", "I like the one who is saluting all the way.", "I've seen airshows do firing demonstrations before in the US.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWzoEkiDsSo", "At the start of the video, I thought it WAS the mach loop.", "yeah it's kinda a mini brrrt. Like a kitten farting. Adorable, but also really nasty if it's aimed at you.", "Jesus the Reddit video player is ass. Wish I could watch this or even link to YouTube but nope.", "Sad how many people just mindless filming that with their phone rather than just experiencing what's happening in front of them.", "Wow! I'm surprised to be honest. I figured that would be a no go. The pilots of course are professionals. But I figured you would never want civilians close to a plane firing. I guess it's not a problem until it becomes a problem.", "Truth. Also, \"close\" is relative. The shows I've been to at McGuire that had live fire had the \"action\" happening a half-mile or more away from the spectators, fence up to prevent anyone getting on the demonstration ground. Close enough to see, but man someone would have to eff up to hit the crowd. But I mean we've had planes crash into crowds before so...it could happen some day.", "A real shame they didn't have gold seeking missiles there, they might've turned up all the buried NAZI stockpiles", "4th minutes, NOPE !", "They really hate that mountain", "Definitely. F-18s look like an F-16 and F-15 had a baby.", "It's videos like these that make me go \"How the fuck is anything supposed to fight that?\"", ">performance with pyrotechnics used during simulated** gun and bomb runs", "Also, most of the HOTAS switches are customizable, or multifunctional. For instance, the \"trigger\" switch is most commonly depicted firing the gun in movies. In reality it generally fires whatever weapon is selected, from bombs to missiles to flares.", "Is it weird I'd rather dangle from the rope being pulled by a helicopter than in the helicopter itself?", "Yeah, it's pretty crazy how elaborate (and expensive) the HOTAS controls you can get for gaming now. \n\nSee [VKB](https://flightsimcontrols.com/shop/) or [Virpil](https://virpil-controls.eu/). Throttles, flight sticks, button panels... Add in head-tracking (or even eye-tracking), rudder pedals, and voice-control (such as Voice Attack) you have a huge range of buttons/controls instantly at your disposal. And a huge hole in your pocket.", "Nazi gold air defense.", "I love that they get a 1.5 hour lunch off.\n\n\nThis is great lol", "Man that has to be the coolest airshow coupled with the absolute worst airshow crowd I've ever seen. \n\nI think I saw like...3 people crack a smile and heard one half-hearted \"woo\"", "It's like watching those [Russian jets that can fly like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8p51C2IEuU)\n\nFighter jets are pretty amazing pieces of tech.", "Why does Switzerland have an airforce? Is it to protect their chocolate and nazi gold?", "I saw I think it was the Thunderbirds at an air show. They did this thing where they got you focused on one guy doing this vertical climb so high up and then BOOOOOOMMMMM another guy come barreling by just off the ground like a bat out of hell. 2 posters with jets on then we're on my wall within a week. One from the show and another one I found at a store. Was probably right around when Top Gun came out too.", "So does each pilot have to reset their controls each time they sit in the cockpit?", "Damn that's insane", "What’s the time stamp for the thumbnail? Did I miss it somehow?", "No dude, that looks super fun!", "I made it 30 seconds before I had to exit. Reminds me too much of being in SF during fleet week where after a few days of jets flying overhead you're emotionally burnt out after feeling like you're going to die any second.", "Close, but you’re a little too far south in your guess.", "Is your name a reference to Casey Aonso?", "I first heard an F16 fly over my head when I was like 7yo, without ear protection. And yes, I have tinnitus…", "> I can't even use two buttons simultaneously on my XBOX controller.\n\nI know you mean the face buttons but you actually can, that's no small part of why the triggers and shoulder buttons exist (along with L3/R3), so you can do things like move, aim, and shoot at the same time. \n\nBut yes, unless you adopt a claw grip (which is terrible for your hands) you cannot press the face buttons while aiming the right stick, which is an obvious and massive disadvantage in a competitive setting and plain old just doesn't feel as good. Which is why so many controller players opt to use controllers with paddles on the back that replace the most important face buttons. In my opinion, the lack of paddles is the primary reason for the skill gap in movement between controllers and mouse and keyboard, I'd actually put the faster and finer aiming accuracy below it.\n\nAs for the complexity of flight controls, it's seriously insane, unbelievable amount of control immediately at your finger tips and then tons of additional controls through onboard systems, not to mention a cockpit full of other switches and buttons. If you think I had a lot to say about the utility of a couple paddles on the back of a controller, just imagine what someone used to [this](https://i.imgur.com/L9rJlIV.jpg) would think about a controller where you can't aim and jump at the same time (without a \"bumper jumper\" config at least). [Here's](https://youtu.be/tfb2L-blz4Y?t=44) a vid of someone breaking it down a bit, and if what he was saying about the canopy at the end sounded interesting, here's an over the shoulder [view](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHotDPmAxmw&t=220s).", "Yup, and usually we only hear about it when a plane crashes into a mountain ...", "Just saw them a couple weeks ago. I've never \"woohoo\"d so much in my life. I was across a big lake from the air show where they circled around before doing their tricks above the crowd so we saw everything with an unbeatable perspective. Had to hike 2 miles out to a scenic tower to see it but it was incredible. They were right over our heads!", "There's a high likelihood that the American F-22 can do this or even more but they don't ever show it. Pilots have stated as fact there are maneuvers they can't perform for the public.", "That and make sure the previous pilot didn't disable your reverse axis.", "Only one man would dare give me the raspberry.....\n\n&#x200B;\n\nLone Star!", "This posting is a youtube link.\n\nIf you need something to click on:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YexzjxytNdo", "Swiss airforce like we bout to fly neutral as fuck boi", "My frustrations may be more towards the Reddit app. I was able to share them copy the link. Thank you for the help though. Much appreciated", "Yeah I can't find the thumbnail either", "The system can be automated or activated manually. For automation, fighter jets have a variety of sensors that can detect threats, such as detecting radar signals, or optically detecting a missile launch. Based on that information, the computer can determine the type of threat and dispense countermeasures in a preprogrammed manner. \n\nAlternatively, the pilot has a button on either the throttle or flight stick to manually release the countermeasures. Based on flight sims for the FA18, it is a button on the throttle operated by the thumb.", "Welcome to Switzerland, where \"not bad\" is the highest compliment. Also people generally try not get too euphoric about things. \nLike e.g. in 2008 when Roger Federer became Laureus World Sportsman of the year but Swiss people decided he had already enough awards and therefore did not vote for him to become Swiss Sportsman of the year...", "I'd love to see that airshow live", "Essentially, every fighter jet with a thrust-to-weight ratio of greater than 1 can do any maneuver without crashing as they can fly vertically up from 0 speed like a rocket. Well, in reality they can't because the plane is not maneuverable but it certainly is not a thrust issue.", "Nah, its another example of a constructed thumbnail. I'd forgive them this time because the shot at 14 seconds is epic, close enough to the thumbnail, and most of the rest of the crowd were looking the wrong way and missed it.", "Any Swiss man who did his mandatory service will tell you that this is absolutely not true. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWV5h5XnX8) (with all its 10 pixels) is a much more representative showcase of the Swiss army.", "Yeah, first thing I thought as soon as I saw the thumbnail, then looked closer and thought \"those don't look like Welsh mountains...\".", "Switzerland: Motor racing was far too dangerous in the 1950s and therefore shall remain banned forevermore!\n\nAlso Switzerland: Invites the general public to attend live-fire Air Force exercises at the top of a mountain...", "I see your Swiss alps, and raise you an F-16 flight among Norwegian mountains and fjords. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Qb8d9hYRg", "Is your brain incapable of doing two things at the same time? If I film a concert with my phone, I'm still watching the concert.", "Adding to your collection of things you'll never watch again? One of those people I see.", "Damn near emptied the air force's strategic flare reserves just to get a weak \"woo\"!", "Which cares? I got dozens of terabytes over here. I'll save 100 gigabyte empty files if I want.", "I saw something like this when I was in New Mexico. We were on a hike and either the Navy or Air Force we’re doing a canyon run. We were just minding our business hiking the trail and the fighter jets come screaming in. It was one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen.", "Were you at the mall on a Friday in Chicago, or in an British Army base during a war?", "Well, fuck me.", "It means you're already dead.", "Like this!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_biW26tiAg\n\nand this!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HLAm1r6rqQ", "Literally IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE VIDEO it says this is simulated fire.\n\nHow are you this dense", "he hates THESSE CANS!!!!!!!! StAY AWAY FROM THOSE CANS!!!", "https://www.cbsnews.com/news/were-at-war-americas-at-the-mall/", "I say it every time a video like this is posted. Flying one of those jets has got to be the closest a human can get to feeling like Superman.", "How about the team that was tasked with hanging those orange targets on that cliff?? “Wait, you want these where??!!”", "nice", "general plane question here, how effective are flares now days? I keep hearing most modern IR missiles can by pass flares.", "If you forgot ear protection, you're deaf now.", "Not quite, but close. The F-22 has thrust vectoring like the Sukhoi, but is purposefully a more stable weapons platform that cant quite pull off the same moves. Russian fighters are widely acknowledged as the most maneuverable and best dogfighters around, due to their absurd instability. But none of that matters for modern aerial warfare so the rest of the world (USA, Europe, China) dont really fixate on it, since the vast majority of modern aerial combat against a peer opponent would be outside of visual range, where radar, avionics, stealth and weaponry are much much more important.\n\nBasically China and the US design planes to fight each other, Europe designs them to fight Russia, and Russia designs them to be better then the former Soviet weaponry of the countries they like to bully.", "yay, military!!!", "It would be cool if she decided to show off the rockets on some of the audience members", "how do you think they fly so fast?", "Well that was wasteful.", "I grew up in switzerland on the plateau and we had jets fly very often above the random town where I lived, maybe because there's much less surface to cover or maybe there was a military base not too far away but honestly we were a bit used to the noise, maybe that's the case for these ppl too", "A real comedian aren't u", "This is impressive until you realize that's all they have is two planes.", "Happy Diwali", "Brrrrrrrrrrtttt.", "Mach Loop: Switzerland", "So you made a point to comment on thumbnail validity, only to post a thumbnail that’s not actually in the video?", "bit of raspberry jam eh? bit of raspberry jam?", "Those are some serious Rocket League style manoeuvres!", "We did a vote to buy F-35 to MERICA, FUCK YEAH", ">\tNormally, the thumbnails for these sorts of videos are fake AF. This one, however …\n\nIs also fake?", "Oh wow nope. I wouldn’t go there.\n\nWhen I was a child I saw two fighter jets collide then crash. The pilot died, the others ejected. I feel like this triggers the memory.", "I went there several times. Usually you climb up there (and it is mostly quite cold and wet), take a seat on your mat and see the Swiss guys next to you unpacking a cast iron pot and start a cheese fondue to warm up. \n\nSoon after 4 out of 5 people carry a lens at least 400mm long and ist snapping Photos en masse. \n\nIn this video the weather is far from perfect. You can have a nearly closed cloud cover below you and enough moisture in the air to see every little bit of low air pressure on the wings. \n\nAlas my favourite photo was a shot I took from the solo F18 demo flight going nearly supersonic just in front of me, with the pressure waves making lines in the air.", "While climbing up, a conscript will hand you a set of earplugs. While a helicopter carries a porta potty up the mountain above you.", "I just found an old Swiss parachute (together with logbook) in my basement, which I want to sell. And got the thought: does the Swiss military actually have more parachutes or more life vests?", "Thrust vectoring is one of the coolest inventions I can think of off the top of my head", "And live fire!!!! No fair! \n\nI would LOVE to see an A-10 live fire demo at least once before those birds get retired. I recently had the great dumb luck of having the local Air National guard buzz my truck on the way to a game. \n\nMy kids lost their collective shit. I did too. I hope those pilots have some kind of idea how much fun it is for kids to see this kind of stuff. I can't even lie I was jacked for several hours after that.", "Wait longer they also live fire a cannon!", "Once rode my bike to the top of lookout mountain over Golden, CO. While looking down at the view, a fighter plane buzzed the town (and Coors brewery) below me. Was not as bad-ass as this video but still.... anytime that you look down and can see into the cockpit of a fighter plane is pretty unique. (Edit - Golden)", "Those beautiful birds are F-18s!", "We got Flares in the dozen!", "He didn't make the thumbnail, I don't believe.", "I mean yeah, but he didn't say it was real, he just said it deserves at least 15s of your attention. And I'm glad I clicked, because you could really see the power of the airframe when it appeared to thrust vector in that maneuver.", "Correct, I just did a quick Google search. They're F-18c variants. The Swiss Air Force has not fielded the F-15 or F-16. \n\nThey also operated BF109's until 1949. That part blew my mind. I wouldn't think that they'd been able to keep their fleet flying for that long after the war given the total decimation of the Nazi's military industrial complex.", "Why does Switzerland require an air force?", "They clearly implied it was real. It's not a big deal, but why pretend", "The person who made the video? Sure. The person who responded? No.", "Oh I see what you mean. Normally, I don't bother watching the videos because the thumbnails are so obviously fake. This one is worth your time, despite the fake thumbnail.", "They were showing off how strong their mountains are.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E\n\nya welcome", "Each subsequent generation of missiles up to the latest AIM-9X have been improved to ignore the effects of flares but its still not a 100% rate. And since many older missiles are still in service its better to retain flare dispensers as a countermeasure than to have nothing at all. Fun fact in the 1970s when the Soviets captured the American F-5 and the Americans had the MiG-23, they each separately tested the flares of each other's aircraft. They found that their missiles were easily fooled by their own flares but less so by their opponents. So they ended up having to copy the pattern and intensity of their opponents flares to make them more effective at defeating missiles.", "TiL the Swiss have an Air Force...", "he was my favorite, too", "Ah so this is what they do instead of participating in world wars", "Its training so not really.", "TIL steel birds poops fire", "There are low level routes like this in the Pacific Northwest of the US. I have to say, zorching through a valley at 400-600 knots, lower than the mountain tops and low enough that you half expect to hear treetops scraping the belly of the jet, is pretty fucking fun. \n\nJust do a search for VR-1355", "That is some cool shit, I watched both the vids you linked and his two fights with Até. That sim is crazy.", "I guess a better term would be \"configurable,\" and is more decided by the software. For instance, on the F-15, an update changed the position of options on the MPCD (MultiPurpose Color Display - the virtual instrument cluster consisting of 2 screens with buttons along each side in front of the pilot) and quite a bit of training time was taken to ensure the pilots were comfortable with the new arrangement. Also, there are buttons (notably the \"hat\" switch) which is like a scroll wheel to select different options on the MPCD without having to turn loose of the HOTAS.", "Very impressive, but what is the point of a Swiss Airforce? I thought they were neutral?", "2nd from the bottom is doing a salute lol", "That's dedication!", "\"There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry...\"", "Just pooping out all their little fire babies.", "Danger zone Lana.", "I mean they may look cool and all but I'll just remind everyone that they only work [during office hours](https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/19/swiss-air-force-ethiopian-airlines-hijacking-office-hours). And weekends are right out.", "Wow. Thomas pilota arę great 🥰", "\"Tell my wife I said hello.\"", "The crowd are there to enjoy the show, not perform for you. What would be the point of whooping and clapping? It's not like the pilots can hear you. It would be as moronic as those people who clap at the end of movies.", "what is the Mach Loop?", "Didn't they go through a massive overhaul of their civil legal system between then and now? Not an expert in Swiss law, but there's something rattling around my head about them pulling off common sense tort reform not too long ago.", "I've read that the F-18 was built to escort and protect the \\[larger\\] F-14's, and the F-16 was built to escort the \\[larger\\] F-15's. Now I can't find exactly where I read that, it's a bit hard to search for.", "It's decidedly not training, as in training for combat.", "They’ve managed to stay neutral for the last couple centuries by making it REALLY difficult for anyone (specifically anyone German or French) to invade them.\n\nA year of mandatory military service for all men over 20, and then ten years as a reservist (grossly simplified). \n\nThey do UN peacekeeping in addition to civil defense.", "die any second from what?", "Love the Russian jets, very elegant + the thrust vectoring that makes a dogfight with them a no-contest. Fun fact, our latest gen fighters are not great at dogfighting and rely on their weaponry and stealth to get off the first shot. If they get into a dogfight, something went wrong.", "They're all using ear protection, mostly Oropax.", "Because I disagree? Haha okay man", "They are wearing ear plugs.", "We’re watching the thing though!!!", "This flare they are using is very “basic flare.” There is way cooler and more modern flare that is much better at doing it’s job.", "That seems unnecessarily dangerous. I love it.", "The F-14 and F-16 are interceptors. While the F-16 can be armed with attack capabilities both the F-15 and F-18 are multirole aircraft. Essentially they can fight their way into a target and attack the target. \n\nThe F-16 has a very affordable cost per hour, probably the best in the American fleet. However all of these aging fighters do but aren't going to be capable against a true 5th gen fighter. I have my doubts any of them can hang with the new Chinese J-20. The Russian SU-57 seems to be very far out from an operating in any consequential manner. \n\nThen there's the drone buddy concepts. For my money that's where the next generation of air war is going. I think the days of manned dog fighters are numbered.", "Gotta flex the \"armed\" part of armed neutrality before someone fucks around and tries to find out.", "If it's because you are afraid of heights than yes", "wheres my wart hog?!", "The mountain was coming right for em.", "And you don't post the pic?\n\nDude!", "Interesting, makes sense. Where's India fall in terms of general strategy? I figure most of Latin America is using all US planes and Africa is probably a variety of old US and Soviet planes if I had to guess.", "> Mach Loop?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_Loop", "I don't understand how people can prefer Mighty Wings.\n\n\n\nThis is just, better.", "Latin America and Africa don’t need to focus on peer to peer combat so it’s mostly older Soviet and US planes used for COIN operations. India generally gets Russian aircraft because they are cheaper, but will buy from anyone generally (besides China recently)", "Deterrent and aerial national safety.\n\n Those were the two main arguments for the purchase of new fighter jets, last time we voted on it, 2 years ago. And 3 years ago, when we voted against purchasing another kind of fighter jet. And 4 years ago, when we voted on whether or not we should do away with mandatory military service.\n\nWe really like to vote on army stuff...", "TIL air shows in the mountains are way cooler than air shows on the prairies.", "India and Russia had HAL producing a sukhoi variant for their Air Force, not sure which model.", "Well there goes my plan to invade Switzerland on a Friday evening!", "War is cool!", "Nah, it's more like this: an F14/F15 is a supercar, an F16/F18 is your daily driver\n\nThe F14 and F15 were high-end planes designed for maximum performance. They were built to be fast, powerful, and to absolutely dominate anything else in the sky. Just one problem: they were also crazy expensive and massive maintenance hogs. So, the F16 and F/A18 were designed as cheap workhorses to handle all the jobs where an F14 or F15 would be total overkill. They call it the high-low mix, and they still follow it today with the F22/F35 combo (F22 = high, F35 = low)", "All it is missing is the red circle and arrow.", "No Kolvoord Starburst?", "That is so fucking cool. I love going to air shows. I want to go and watch this in person.", "It’s a post 9/11 reaction.", "The problem is usually solved with volume and distribution of flares, depending on your adversary and potential armaments you expect, a pilot will be able to control the exact release structure of chaff or flares. You could drop 5 at once, drop 5 pairs of 2, etc. All with full fidelity on interval timing and release point (some aircraft have multiple flare or chaff pods).\n\nTypically thrust to weight ratio has been a determining factor for payload and thus number of missiles, I think with the F15EX were seeing a major change with respect to the number of missiles a single fighter can now deploy.\n\nI think radar based missiles are a bigger threat now with massively networked battlefields. A drone scout can identify and paint a target for a mothership from hundreds of miles away, deploy a long range missile and move before the enemy even knows what’s about to happen. Most standard configurations seem to keep just 2 sidewinder missiles on the Super Hornets due to operation types of navy planes.", "What an amazing location. I knew about aviation shows but this venue is insane.", "So what did you buy, after scrapping Gripen?", "I’d do that in a heartbeat!", "F-18s don't have thrust vectoring", "In what ways does Europe design them to fight Russia? To also be good at dogfights, or better weaponry/stability like the US?", "They like very long range missiles paired with powerful radar that can slap down non stealthy fighters from 100+km away.", "Thanks for those links. Game or not that was entertaining dogfighting. Learned a lot just from their callouts.", "It is not on my phone, that's why. I have to find it again.... Coming back from Axalp I always had several thousand pictures on my cards....", "One of them sounds like he's experiencing G forces. Made me question if I forgot what CGI looked like", "F-18 from the Americans.", "thumbnail timestamp?", "That's what I though too! That guy sounded physically exerted.", "I actually was trying to specifically look for ones where it was him vs an F-18, but there was the reverse of that fight on there, too, and I believe he sort of exploited that opponents reliance on that maneuverability to win.\n\nThere's also some F-22 fights that involve thrust vectoring, and it's funny to watch as he (or the opponent if he's flying against one) can just keep the nose of the plane pointed in their direction most of the fight. I believe the latest gen fighters you mentioned are basically the F-35, and they're sort of (though probably not actually in practice) meant to operate in conjunction with the F-22, which seems like it's actually intended for dogfighting and such. But he showcases some of the BVR fights like you mentioned that happen at long range, and there's a lot of interesting stuff that goes into that as well.", "Apps suck. Mobile browser set in desktop mode. And new reddit turned off.", "Yeah, I stumbled upon his channel at one point and got hooked. It's seemingly very simple stuff that ends up being way more technical and strategic than you realize. Hollywood always kinda makes it look very action oriented, but it's really a lot more careful and focused on positioning and energy management and such.", "Yeah, it's one of those things that you start watching and as it's explained it's relatively easy to start to understand, enough so that you really realize just how much is going into each decision and movement they're making. It's funny because you expect dogfighting to be pure \"guns-blazing\" action, but it ends up being a more subtle thing in practice.", "I've listened to Longshot (his buddy in the back seat) in a number of these videos, and I kinda wonder if he's actually doing some of the muscle tensing and breathing stuff they do to handle g-forces just for the heck of it.", "Ah, the sight of enlisted fucking around like morons. A tale as old as organized militaries.", "\"We're off to Lichtenstein!\" -Those Guys", "Why warthog, sir? I think it looks more like a big cat. Like a puma.", "Very possible. Flight Sim players are a different breed.", "That's pathetic.", "Yea, if you live in the Virginia Beach area, you'll know the sounds of jets touching down and taking off all day.", "It's the sound of the autocannons. Each of those jets carry two 20mm rotary autocannons. Think of a big gatling gun. Each autocannon can shoot up to 25 rounds per second. So that quick brrt is the sound of ~50 shells flying out of the jet.", "Well to be fair dogfights are INCREDIBLY rare occurrences\n\n>[There has been only one dogfight involving a U.S. aircraft in the last 20 years: in 2017, a U.S. Navy pilot shot down a Syrian fighter. The F-14 Tomcats flown by Mr. Cruise's character have been retired, and his aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, has been decommissioned.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/duels-among-the-clouds-11565878829#:~:text=There%20has%20been%20only%20one,USS%20Enterprise%2C%20has%20been%20decommissioned.)", "Also worth noting, the F14-15 were interceptors.\n\nThey are absolutely useless in Switzerland. Why?\n\nThe size of the country means that the time difference between an interceptor and an air superiority fighter is basically a rounding error.", "Maybe he just hadn't gone to the toilet and was touching cloth?\n\n\"Mum, bathroom.\"\n\n\"Mum, BATHROOM!\"", "This is held near where I used to live in the Bernese Oberland. The semantics are blurry between air show and demonstration - in Switzerland the military is popular and military service is more of a part of everyone's life so military air shows aren't uncommon. The public are freely invited to Axalp but yes, it's a military demonstration and live rounds are used. This is relatively safe because safety is taken very, very seriously in Switzerland and they don't tend to make mistakes. And also the mountains immediately around there are pretty empty.", "Yeah it seems like dude has done some reading. The terminology he uses for the strategies sounds legit to my ignorant ass, lol. I wish I had a nice computer because it looks like a lot of fun. I always liked flight sims.", "In theory?\n\nArmed enforcement of neutrality. It is a mainstay of Swiss politics that the country is neutral, and neutrality does not mean \"we don't have an army\". It means you must have a sufficiently large stick to at least make yourself an unattractive target to your larger neighbors. This has been a part of Swiss neutrality ever since it became neutral. It's why Switzerland has conscription. It's why Switzerland has (compared to its neighboring EU friends) lax gun laws. It's why Switzerland is neither part of the EU nor NATO. It's why, until quite recently, Switzerland had laws mandating the presence of a certain number of atomic shelters per new building. It's why Switzerland has an army of 120000 people, with the possibility to mobilize many, many more at a short notice.\n\nIn practice?\n\nNothing. Switzerland is flanked by peaceful, stable neighbors who all respect Switzerland's neutrality and who present literally no threat to Switzerland. Swiss air sovereignty is maintained more by the German, Italian and French airforces than by its own, as these nations are never going to violate it, and no one would dare violate theirs, as they are part of NATO and have pretty sizable airforces.", "I think they've only ever done one peacekeeping deployment, the SwissCOY in the Balkans.\n\nSwiss neutrality normally demands that they do not deploy troops overseas. They made exceptions for Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia/Kosovo, but I don't think they've ever been deployed anywhere else, and they are there more as a police force than an active military force.", "Here you go....\n\n\n[Airplaneporn](https://www.reddit.com/r/airplaneporn/comments/qn6gdw/my_favourite_airshow_picture/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)", "No, it won't.\n\nAnd Switzerland knows it. Their goal has never been to defeat the invading force of one of their larger neighbors (Germany, France, Italy or, back in the day, Austro-Hungary). It has always been to make it a pain in the dick.\n\nThat's why the strategy is one of retreat and consolidation to the Alps. They know they can't defeat their neighbors in a one-to-one fight. But they can make the idea of invading Switzerland highly unattractive. Big price, small payoff.", "Stupid, dangerous, stupidly dangerous, and dangerously stupid.", "> Switzerland: Motor racing was far too dangerous in the 1950s and therefore shall remain banned forevermore!\n\nSo that is why every Swiss crossing the border to Germany on the Autobahn is driving like its a Formula 1 track. \nUnless of course they are from Bern.", "The first duty of any star fleet office is to the truth! Be that scientific truth, historical truth or personal truth. It is the hiding principal on which starfleet is based and if you cannot find it within yourself to tell the truth, you don’t deserve to wear that uniform.\nDismissed.", "Hill Climbing is allowed and Formula E for some reason. Not quite sure how they managed that.", "I mean, it's hard to do jet based life fire exercises indoors ;p", "> peaceful, stable neighbors\n\nWe've seen that is subject to change.", "30 min is law, 1.5 hour is standard for most jobs.", "Thanks?", "Also Afghanistan for a couple years and a monitoring role in the Korean Peninsula, but you’re largely right. The military mostly exists to ensure their sovereignty.", "The sound of these things is so intimidating irl. They always do manoeuvers over the city here during the F1 weekend and the first time I experienced that it felt like the sky was falling.\n\nI can't imagine what it would be like in an actual war situation. Must be incredibly scary.", "It’s cultural. Jumping around and yelling when something exciting happens is a distinctly American response, Europeans prefer to absorb what’s happening in silent dignity. It would annoy me if I filmed it and my permanent record of the event had someone yelling over the sound of the jets.", "Well it’s a landlocked country so…", "That’s golden", "Live rounds during at an air show just sounds risky to me", "You are right… golden.", "A-10 warthog goes BRRRT!", "These kinds of things have a totally different character in a mountainous country. I would never have imagined a conversation on a hike could go like this:\n\n\"Oh, look, what's that down there?\"\n\n\"It's an airshow\"", "Honestly more afraid of helicopters than heights I think!", "So how was the pilot doing that? I was under the impression that thrust vectoring was the only way to get the tail of these jets to whip around like that", "It's now swiss cheese mate.", "Please accept my upvote, get your coat and leave. Thank you.", "Actually I'm pretty sure mountains is the number one cause of casualty for these planes. One crashed into them a couple of years ago.", "Last time we needed these planes the pilots were on lunch break and the Frenchs had to do the job...", "It doesn't really, at least it's been heavily debated recently. We had a votation a couple of years ago for renewing the fleet and it was voted against. IIRC there was another one and now the army has a budget for it but there's all kind of debates about what plane to buy, whether missiles would do the job better, etc.\n\nFor sure there's politicians & army officials that have a hard-on for planes (they are pretty cool to be honest) and really want them, even though it doesn't make that much sense.", "The thumbnail for this video is also fake AF. Just so everyone is clear. The video was super disappointing because I kept waiting for the thumbnail shot. It’s not even close to real.", "It was an intentional stall being carefully controlled by the jet engines.\n\nNotice that the pilot still maintains a good amount of forward momentum. That's because, without thrust-vectoring, the pilot still needs an appropriate amount of airspeed for the aircraft's control surfaces to bite into the wind in order to maintain control.\n\nJets with thrust-vectoring generally need less airspeed to pull off similar maneuvers. Like a motorboat using the thrust of the propeller to steer vs a sailboat needing to gain speed before the rudder can effectively bite into the water.", "1:20 was so fucking cool.", "Neutral is not the same as pacifist.\n\nJust because you don't meddle in the conflicts of others doesn't mean you wouldn't defend yourself. Asking that question is like asking \"Why do you have a lock on your door? You are not even a burglar!\".", "Sounds like an amazing time! Every last bit of what you described.", "or as they call it in Switzerland: Cheese.", "Could you imagine the pussy these guys must get?" ]	240	videos	Swiss Airforce showing off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxnppAKChw	/r/videos/comments/qmk7ad/danhausen_haggles_his_way_to_a_500_joker_toy_for/	[ "Or he stopped the video, walked back, and returned the merchandise.", "No he was clearly escaping! It's on film!", "Take your furry fetish porn someplace else.", "> furry fetish porn\n\nok so clearly you didn't even watch the video...", "It was eye bleach. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, but don't involve us in it.", "us? Are you the internet at large?\n\nI'm sorry a video makes you angry. Maybe ignore it next time? It'd be better for your health. You won't get far in life being angry at random people for no reason.\n\nHave a nice day.", "Dude, this subreddit is not a place for you to serve up your sexual predilections.", "You're the one obsessed with \"sexual predilections\"\n\nYou've mentioned such things multiple times. There's nothing like that in the video at all.\n\nWhat happened was you made an assumption, jumped to attack, and now you're too prideful to admit it and walk away.\n\nI get that the anonymity of the internet makes it easy to be rude but try and do better.", "This isn't a bar. Stop trying to pick me up.", "Oh ok, you're just a troll. Sorry. I thought you were serious.", "Hey, I heard this guy on Conan O'Brian's podcast just yesterday!", "He's hilarious!", "I'm always serious about you baby." ]	13	videos	Danhausen haggles his way to a $500 Joker toy for a cool $5 and shuffles away before the owner can stop him
https://youtu.be/pcBwEns_QS8	/r/videos/comments/qmlmxw/end_credits_song_from_lord_of_the_rings/	[ "This guy fucks.", "What kinda flute is that?", "That is a chieftain v4 Low D irish whistle. 👍", "I love this song so much, I regularly listen to the soundtracks. This was bang on!", "Awesome thanks bro! Great job!", "So beautiful, thanks for sharing!", "Excellent rendition! Now if you'll excuse me, time for a 12 hour LOTR marathon.", "Hahaha yes!!! I'm halfway through Two Towers with my kids 😀 They love it so I must be doing something right🤣🤣" ]	8	videos	End credits song from Lord of the Rings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2SeEzxMuE	/r/videos/comments/qmm6zy/antarctica_condition_1_weather/	[ "Ooooh I've seen this one.\n\nNote that this YouTube post is older than half the people viewing it these days...", "🎶 Walking in a winter wonderland 🎶", "“Just heading out for a quick smoke”", "Walking outside not permitted during condition 1... What about muh freedoms!?", "[Still no bears.](https://www.etymonline.com/word/arctic)", "Imagine being one of the first exploration groups up there in that weather. These people literally died, maybe from conditions like that.", "I dunno why but I imagined the door to be more of a giant airlock like in a space station instead of a regular old door.", "I get that this is a joke but for those who took it seriously:\n\nYou're totally permitted to go outside. There's no police force there (this may be inaccurate depending on which base this is...). But it's not illegal to go outside. \"Unpermitted\" in this case means that there's no support services available and you'll probably be fired and sent home if you broke any safety rules. Also, they probably won't try to rescue you if you pass out or get stuck somewhere.", "Anyone curious about living conditions in the south pole should check out this video where a guy gives a complete tour of the entire base.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bNRNqaKxZ8", "They need to redo this video with a modern camera.", "If that is condition 1, I can't even imagine condition 2 or 3.\n\n/S", "No wonder the penguins can become deranged:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/x7kdDeGXUjI", "Sorry Luke, I'm not going out in that.", "hahaha, it's hilarious to me that when i saw they had a sort of air lock situation to keep the cold out, that i instantly thought \"oh hey i do that in rimworld!\" hahahahhah... i'm a fucking massive nerd hahahah.", "> you'll probably be fired and sent home \n\nBased on what we’ve just seen, I would assume that would be the best-case scenario. \n\nTo be sent home would mean they found the body.", "By 'fired' I of course mean 'defrosted' but I see how someone could mistakenly infer that I meant their employment would be terminated.", "Man, I swear I saw this in my first year of Reddit, in like 2010.", "\"Well, time to put up the tent\".", "\"I am just going outside and may be some time\"" ]	19	videos	Antarctica Condition 1 Weather
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmmpaz/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmmpaz/deleted_by_user/	[ "This is posted all the time. Was Frontpage again last week. Stop karma whoring", "Hard hitting journalism", "This has always bugged me. \n \n1. Dude is invited to the program to speak about LGBT rights. \n2. Dude is an LGBT Activist. \n3. Dude is asked \"Why are you gay?\" \n4. Dude says \"Who says I am gay?\"\n \nNot very activist of a response.", "He is a trans man and I assume he is into women, meaning he is straight", "So it's a woman who thinks they're a man who says they're attracted to women and that means they're straight?", "He's a man who is attracted to women only", "So if I, a straight man, start telling everyone that I'm a woman and that I'm attracted to women, suddenly I'm a lesbian?", "If you (literally) see yourself as a woman then that makes you a trans woman, and by being attracted to women you are a lesbian trans woman.\n\n>So if I, a straight man\n\nIf you indentify yourself as a straight man then you cannot possibly be a trans woman, trans people don't just \"decide\" to be trans, it isn't something that they can control...", "Okay. I now identify as a woman. I'm still attracted to women though. Am I a lesbian?", "I talk about that on my previous comment\n\nBtw, isn't it kinda creepy that were interacting on a removed post... No one else is here or will ever be forever" ]	10	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEKhdkmSnk	/r/videos/comments/qmn8rj/just_a_small_sample_of_the_many_ted_bundy_groupies/	[ "This is why I put \"convicted murderer\" on my Tinder profile.", "If that's not a lesson in getting ass I don't know what is.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RALRPnG9E8Y&t=21s", "Check out the nightstalker groupies\nhttps://youtu.be/cYbIdHKksnw", "Woof.", "Here's Dr Sussex on sex...", "\"it's kinda sus tbh\"", "Half of these girls look like they can eat corn through a picket fence", "Honestly, this paints a different picture than I expected. Pretty much only the doctor is saying its sexual. The groupies seem more like people who love murder podcasts. Now, I'm sure there are plenty of women who had sexual things for him, but I'm just saying I don't really see that here", "Widespread access to braces is a relatively recent development, and people used to let their kids suck on their thumbs or binkies waaaayyyyy too long.", "None of these women say they're groupies. They're interested in the case. I suspect SOME of them would believe Bundy's side, but we don't know how many.", "Woooow. Is this some quaint regional turn of phrase or did you just come up with \"corn through a picket fence\" on the fly? \n\nI love it. I mean, burn - but still, nice burn.", "worse than the flat earthers and quananers", "Did anyone need this lesson? It's just rules #1 and #2 showing up again, as they have throughout history. Happened a lot recently in Korea and Japan. Pretty girls getting a lot of sympathizers after murdering their exes.", "It's one of many colorful Southern colloquialisms. \n\nKinda like my papaw once described someone with freckles as looking like someone \"threw shit at 'em through a screen door.\"", "Can you not read their expression? They're wooing over him", "Thus the podcast industry was born.", "Shit. I'd butter up my cob for these gals.", "Is this kind of bizarre obsession with rape and murder and being chased and hunted, an evolutionary hangover having to do with the potential genetic benefits of being raped and impregnated by a physically strong and capable male ape?", "Someone told me that women love games like Dead By Daylight and Outlast because being chased turns them on", "Bonk!", "tells you all you need to know about women", "read some women erotica\n\nmost deranged shit", "I had noticed the high number of girl in chat and playing on twitch before \n\ncourious fact he got married in court during the trial. he knew that an official had to be present and was forced to accept the act so he raised in court and said \"maria so and so would you marry me?\" and the girlfriend at the time stood up and said yes and they were legally married.\n\nless nice\n\nhe was a true monster he killed a girl and left the body in the bushes. after a while she wasn t discovered and he went to the place were the body had been torn apart by animals. he had sex with her putrid remain." ]	24	videos	Just a small sample of the many Ted Bundy groupies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRFyIsX8pq4	/r/videos/comments/qmom88/migrating_birds_hitching_a_ride_on_a_merchant_ship/	[ "Thank you for sharing! Love to see all the different types of birds. Enjoyed the music as well!", "What’s that first track?\n\nNvm. [found it](https://youtu.be/oXOcOUQIRrk)", "I did my scuba certification on the great barrier reef about 4 hours off the coast of Townsville in Australia.\n\nThe birds that lived out there had no idea about or fear of people.\n\nThey mostly just stay flying, every now and then when the tides and moon work together the reef pops out more significantly and the birds rest or nap for a little.\n\nSo when they spot the dive boat at night (we were out for 3 nights) they all come over and hang out and sleep.\n\nIn the morning you had a few hundred sea birds looking at you. They were not scared of you and you could basically sit right next to them.\n\nThey would go in the anchor hole area (I'm sure it has a proper boat name) and couldn't fly out again because their wings were so long.\n\nWe would gently pick them up and give them a hand and they didn't try to peck or seem concerned.\n\nGreat memory.", "what a great song!", "Do you have any pictures of that? Sounds amazing!", "This affected me on a bunch of different levels,but mostly melancholy with happy tears. I loved the unapologetic shots of the Peregrines doing what Peregrines do. Thanks so much, OP.\n\n\nedit lived to loved", "wtf is an owl doing out at sea?!", "So this was 1998 when I was 19. We didn't have cell phones, I didn't have a digital camera yet.\n\nI had a film camera but I put it in storage because my room had been robbed the night before. We caught the guys doing it, rumbled with them, they had a knife, I physically kicked a guy off a youth hostel balcony and we went on the scuba cert trip in the morning.\n\n\nLol. Get out and live a life kids, don't wait until it's too late.\n\nFucking Townsville.", "The two songs are [Into the Wilderness](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOcOUQIRrk) and [Sea Birds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxlHILPCZ6c) both by Burning Hearts", "\"Be quiet Barbara, I don't* need to ask for directions!\"", "Dude at [7:27](https://youtu.be/TRFyIsX8pq4?t=447) made me laugh out loud. So much character.", "Uhh, these aren't birds that fly across the Atlantic. They're pretty much fucked.", "&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nGreat to see that birds are trying to adapt.", "Eating the other birds", "Well owl be damned.", "If it makes you feel better, this is probably just footage of \"birds on boats\" aggregated to a video, and whoever made it has no idea which of the birds even migrate.", "Used to work I the merchant navy these birds usually die in a couple of days, they seem to fly out to sea to die, or perhaps they just got lost of went to far.\n\nThey land on the ship zero fear, like worrying so, you can give them water and food but within a couple of days they are dead.\n\nWe had an owl land once, it hung around for a day and then just kinda fell of the back of the ship and just floated away.", "Was wondering same.. in one of his other videos they see a hummingbird! No way that thing will survive on that floating hunk of metal.", "I work on ships. Except for sea birds and very few migratory ones, most of the birds ending up on merchant ships die. I have thrown countless bird corpses overboard. It is sad but not a lot can be done about it.", "Yea, I imagine many of these birds accidentally end up on boat and in a few days are in the middle of the ocean. Not at all where they're supposed to be. None of the birds in this video are 'migrating'.", "this is what i was thinking -- he's the only one on the ship who brought his dinner with him", "Think that might've been a Kestrel, no?", "Birds could have been dropping in the ocean for millions of years during migration, and then we sail a ship into it and complain that something is wrong.", "So it sounds like you're arguing owles naturally cross the Atlantic and when they happen to land on a ship that's traversing the Atlantic and starve to death, that's a natural process... right? Totally normal? None of the birds in this video are supposed to cross the Atlantic. Something is most certainly wrong.", "To be perfectly clear. These birds landed on a ship that was going across the ocean, stayed there and most certainly starved to death. You can call it whatever the fuck you want. It's absolutely not natural. Complain that something is wrong? I guess. What ever.", "Cute.", "Hummingbirds do migrate across the sea so probably it had a purpose to be there." ]	27	videos	Migrating birds hitching a ride on a merchant ship.
https://youtu.be/s7aDN3oujXI	/r/videos/comments/qmov4r/so_you_cant_hear_auto_tune_no_problem_now_you_can/	[ "Really cool to show it this way", "As someone that is tone deaf, this is amazing.", "Auto-tune gives an uncanny property to the voice, my mind rebels against it because it's consistently registering as a sort of \"prediction error\" of how a human voice should behave - i feel like it makes me work to hear it. I don't get the aesthetic of it and if this is some deliberate choice to chase some fad, I'm sorry for whatever happened in their life that made them make those choices...", "Bruh idk what you're on about t pain sounds cool as hell", "Cries in Kanye West who literally can't hit a note without autotune.", "I only listen to Queen and Pink Floyd!!!", "Very cool. I didn't notice it here, it might depend on how close the original singing is, but one thing I notice with autotune is that it can sound like the singer has a bubble in their throat.", "I personally think T-Pain made it part of his style and somehow it works for him cause it does sound cool, but using it to cover up your lack of vocal skills.. I'm not that big of a fan of.", "I remember seeing a video of him singing without it, and he sounded really good. I guess it's kind of like his gimmick.", "That's a great way to describe it. My wife can't hear autotune and asked what it sounds like and best I could do is it sounds like \"an algorithm represented in audio\".", "exactly why I don't enjoy Michael Buble albums. He seems like a great singer and a nice guy but the albums sound like robocrooner.", "It is his gimmick. He’s said so, basically. It was just something that he thought sounded cool and rode with it.\n\nIt’s not like someone heard T-Pain with auto tune and said “yeah, that sounds real.” It’s intentionally exaggerated for a specific sound, not because it sounded accurate.", "Anyone that uses auto tune is a little guy who lives in a blue world.", "I guess my question is…\n\nHow would you know if someone was auto-tuned or if they really were that accurate? I get that it’s not likely for someone to be perfect, but is it possible?\n\nThis video was useful in showing what pitch correction does, but I see that he’s definitively stating that Michael was auto-tuned…How does he know that? Genuinely curious, because it seems like the “proof” is “Freddie couldn’t hit notes bang on, therefore no one can”. That’s enough proof for me, I guess, but curious if I’m missing any context.", "Who gives a shit about how music is made if the end result sounds nice?\n\nMusic isn't a competition, you could be the best singer in the world, record everything perfectly on the first take, be 100% pitch perfect with a lovely voice and it won't mean shit if the whole thing doesn't sound good in the end. \n\nInstruments, voice, recording techniques, everything in the recording process really are just means to transform an idea into something audible. It used to be you could only do this if you were extremly talented and took years to hone your skills, but now the barrier of entry is much lower and we're way better off for it. \n\nBeing mad at people who use autotune or programmed instruments is like people 2000 years ago being mad at a storyteller because he wrote down the story instead of just reciting it from memory.", "NPR's tiny desk concerts with T Pain. He's so good.", "I'll readily admit obvious autotune does sound less creepy - Buble clip here gave me the creeps for some reason - but there's no accounting for taste and I'll always prefer the no auto-tune version of whatever, if the artist is naturally capable of such a rendition, even better, but then i can't really understand the use of auto-tune at all", "Don't you mean... a Bublé in their throat?", "My thoughts exactly.", "There's an episode on a Netflix documentary series where T-Pain goes into the story of how he adopted autotune for his sound. Really interesting. Series is called \"This Is Pop\" and its the second episode, \"Auto-Tune\"", "Autotune does not cover up an entire lack of vocal skills, in most cases its used to fix/correct some blips in an otherwise good take.\n\nEven in the case of heavily abused autotune in a lot of cases its used as an effect, and having heard autotune used on bad vocals before, it does nothing to save it just makes it pitch perfect but still sound terrible.", "I think that's the issue, it doesn't sound nice, or maybe it sounds nice but it evokes an uncomfortable feeling. Our ears are used to listening to real voices, these perfect voices feel wrong. Your brain does all kinds of filtering, to have it already done by a computer makes it feel...off\n\nEdit brain not bring", "You're absolutely right that autotune sounds weirder the more you \"force\" it to hit notes that you aren't close to. That's what gives Kanye's Runaway it's unique sound at the end.", "The human voice cant naturally produce a perfectly even vibrato, there will always be a certain amount of variation. He points out about halfway through that Michael's is always almost precisely the same", "I mean, I bet there's a lot of fans who'd be quite willing to get a little Bublé in their throats.", "Those end results don't sound nice to me, and I'm sure many others. But enough other people obviously don't care or don't understand how unnaturally fine tuned it is and just expect all music to sound that way now days", "If it sounds bad then it sounds bad, but tons of artists use autotune and for most people it doesn't sound bad.", "He says at the end of the video he has never* seen a person who can hit notes that perfectly live. And this dude is a professional musician and voice coach, so he has surely listened to a lot of live singers. He's also listened to Buble live and can tell that when he's live he is not hitting it perfectly like he is here.", "Ah, sorry, I didn’t get to the end. Only got about 15 minutes through.\n\nI imagined that was probably the case, that no one has ever been able to do that kind of thing live, but I just wasn’t sure. Thanks for the info.", "> robocrooner\n\nJUST missed my Halloween opportunity. Damnit!", "Audio Uncanny Valley", "He makes an important note at the beginning of the video that human voices, even accurate ones, have some minor imperfections. A sung tone can be clear and accurate, but there will always be minor wobbles or short deviations. Your vocal chords are controlled by muscles, and the controlling mechanism, your brain, can only respond so quickly to perceived deviations (which will always happen). Imagine I gave you a small weight (like a bottle of water?) and asked you it to hold it completely still in front of you with your arm outstretched. It's not much weight, but your arm will wobble a bit as it falls slightly and you compensate as you watch it. Holding a tone is like that.\n\nWith autotune, that control is computerized, and you can see that in the video. The tone is held exactly on a specific note's frequency. No human can do that, humans will deviate, respond and adjust. An autotuned tone is perfect, no visible adjustments.", "The bubbletune i think is just when it has to work SO hard, that it can't help but warp everything. It should be subtle, like this. Unless you're doing it for funsies and art lol", "I wonder what it sound slike shrouded in music. I've heard maybe two buble songs, in the dawn of the dead era. But he sounded so natural and lifelike in them.", "Fil is awesome. I like his breakdowns of talented guitarists from past and present. He made me realize how incredibly talented both Roy Clark and Dolly Parton were and are (especially Dolly and her nails!)", "I was getting the vibe that it's physically impossible for humans to sing this perfect. The voice is being warped to snap DIRECTLY to the line and stop dead there, we can't do that with 100% accuracy.\n\nIt's like swinging a weight on a string across the room, it should have a natural arc. But you out a huge magnet next to it, and it deviates and snaps to it. No string hanging by itself could do that.", "Masked Singer season 1 spoilers....\n\n[This is T-Pain singing clean and it's amazing.](https://youtu.be/LyKk0-PL1UU)", "ITS BUBLY", "So, basically, same as artificial diamonds - fact they are too perfect reveals they are artificial. Next step is to improve Auto-Tune software to introduce \"controlled\" imperfections and we are done ...\n\nEdit: -\n\nEdit 2: Many users of Auto-Tune are saying that this feature already exists in one form or another!", "Agreed!", "Is that why I like Bouble’s voice but find him the most boring singer ever created? \n\nIt is like he’s just a robot doing elevator music.", "Learn to Croon, Bing Crosby A man who could flat out sing.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IeDofVzZJE", "> Next step is to improve autotune software to introduce \"controlled\" imperfections\n\nAutotune -", "That was a great breakdown, but I think I would hate thinking this seriously about music.\n\nedit: for weird downvoting people. I just mean i can't wrap my mind around enjoying this, not that you shouldn't enjoy it or whatever. I stand by it, as you should stand by your opinions. Please though, try to be better people out there.", "There's another trick to detecting auto tune:\n\nIf you listen carefully when they are singing long even notes, you will hear the \"sample\" (sampled voice, this is what autotune does, and blend/mix it with itself) voice repeat itself almost in a vibrato sense, you'll hear a perfect computer generated loop of the voice as it fades out or into another pitch. \n\nLike a perfect oscillation if you like. Imagine a sine curve that has been flattened somewhat.", "Yes this is a great video and the guy obviously put a lot of effort into it. But I just want to know does anyone else think his eyes should be like half an inch lower on his head? I keep looking where I think is I should be and I don't know why but they're always little higher. Don't get me wrong he's a good looking guy but it's tripping me out at night I want to know if anyone else thinks this.", "You can have auto tune live too, but I think Bouble is a decent singer and you don’t notice so much live anyway.", "both you folks might appreciate the video linked up top where this is discussed", "Man I really wish this guy would just let the audio and graph play instead of playing 2 seconds and talking for 2 minutes about it every time", "“Who gives a shit how music is made?” \n\n\nPeople making music. Using different techniques will result in music that “sounds good” for different reasons. Knowing what impact post processing (or any audio) techniques will have in specific cases is invaluable to artists and audio engineers looking for a particular sound.", "Thats pretty much what you can do with any pitch correction software like Antares autotune, melodyne etc. You can use it in moderation and noone will notice.\nIt just got overused and also turned from a pure correction Tool to an artistic Sound choice over the time (cher - believe, kanye west - 808s, charli xcx f. E.)\nEdit: not to forget tpain of course! \n\nID estimate that (without having statistics to back me up here) 99% of all pop productions use at in varying amounts", "Was thinking the same thing.", "Even in you could hit the intended notes perfectly on key and hold them there, it wouldn't make sense for every drop off or transition to also land perfectly on a note, like they do in autotune.", "I obviously meant from a finished product perspective. All those techniques and instruments are still just tools to be used to make something. \n\nI make music, 30 years ago if my vision involved a violin and I couldn't play the violin I had to either dedicate years learning a new instrument or find a violinist and pay them. I'd also have to pay for studio time, studio engineers, mixing, mastering and printing. Now I can download a plugin that sounds good enough, maybe even for free and do everything myself on the same device I use to look up cooking recipes. So maybe the violin isn't entirely realistic or the singer couldn't hit all the notes but a few years ago that song wouldn't even exist at all.", "What would you prefer, \"oddotoon\"?", "Man r/videos is going to be insanely tilted once they discover hyperpop", "Didn't know Michael Buble (bubble) uses auto-tune.", "Incredible visual depiction.", "Face is definitely violating golden ratio.", "Buble can indeed sing, and I really like his singing, and the better you sing, the less \"distortion\" auto-tune causes; it's not as off putting as most auto-tuned material out there, but I'd have liked it more without auto-tune. And I think use of auto-tune was more prominent in his latest records. \nI've also read somewhere the reason for using auto-tune is that new generation of listeners are more demanding against \"not perfectly hit\" notes that they feel the need to do this, which I think is a bullshit excuse.", "Kind of like how card counting isn't hard, looking like you aren't counting while doing so is the difficult part.", "Opinions on autotune aside, I feel like this Freddie Mercury performance wasn't the best comparison to use.\n\nI think you could find another example where the singer was trying harder to be precise.\n\nThis comparison does achieve the goal though.", "ok now someone use this software and show Emma Watsons singing from Beauty and the Beast", "can't you just compare it to a live performance?", "It's like moving into uncanny valley. T pain is so obviously autotuned it's not uncomfortable, it becomes an effect. When it's done to singers to overcorrect imperfections it becomes something wrong that you can't quite put your finger on.", ">Who gives a shit about how music is made if the end result sounds nice?\n\nBecause if I wanted to listen to a computer I'd listen to a computer.", "Now do T Pain versus T Pain.", "My fear with all of this is that young people, who have only ever heard auto tuned recordings, are dissuaded from singing or going into vocal music/singing because they hear themselves sing (maybe even record themselves) and they don't sound absolutely 110% perfect like their idols do in recordings, not realizing that its humanly impossible to sing like that.", "Yeah. You can see from the video that auto-tune is a subtle alteration. T-Pain's autotune is on steroids lol.", "And like this dude said, the producers may autotune it after Buble lays down his vocals. It would be pretty ballsy to autotune a performer live if they didn't request it. It could even mess up their singing if they need to hear their own voice to notice if they're off or on key.", "[John Hamm agrees](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDKgo3jFwFE)--it's now pronounced bubbly.", "One thing he mentions is confidence that Buble can sing because he has heard him sing live. But can't autotune be used in live contexts too? Not saying Buble can't sing, but it seems this isn't a good way to make the determination...", "Her head is tilted.", "Auto-Tune should be illegal or at the very least should be disclosed. Just my unpopular opinion.", "He just sort of has a boring voice, less about the autotune", "What difference does it make if you couldn't tell the difference? Also where do you draw the line? If a pianist plays through a MIDI piano you're listening to a computer, a computer can reproduce exactly that pianist. If a singer adds a compressor, chorus or reverb through a computer is that also too artificial? \n\nShit if you're listening on a computer, you're literally listening to the computer, or your headphones that also colour the music. The only way not to be listening to a computer is to go to a completely acoustic concert.", "Yeah, you still need to know what you're going for and be able to perform a rough version if before you introduce Autotune", "\"WTF is this guy talkin- Holy shit! Cannot unsee.\"", "Ol' Micky Bubbles", "Definite /r/dataisbeautiful stuff right there!", "nerdy white college-age guys have an obsession with auto-tune so...", "Had never heard of him before watching this video. \n\nTook a look on YT and from what little I saw, if he were a meal he'd be Velveeta cheese on a slice of white bread and a glass of 2% milk as chaser.", "what do you mean tone deaf?", "The guy in the left panel has such a long face.", "I kind of want to hear an auto-tuned version of Somebody to Love.", "A bit of both I would say. The autotune just really cranks up the dullness and adds a slightly uncanny artificiality to it. He almost sounds like a synthesizer on the long notes.", "It's only Bublé if it comes from the Bublés region of Canada.\n\nEverything else is sparkling white singer.", "(hat tip)", "Does anyone else routinely fall down youtube rabbit holes of experts perfectly explaining the craft about something you never even cared for before?", "I would guess it's just a statistical thing. Like how do you know if someone cheating at a game and using an aim bot or is really just that good?", "Melodyne is a fantastic tool, and could be used to expand a singer’s range without adding an artificial sound. And, yeah, Antares has options to reintroduce the “human” wobble. I think most huge artists are using these tools, even if it’s not as obvious as Buble was in this video.", "That's because his face is autotuned. His eyes are [exactly 5/9](https://imgur.com/a/wxYH1ZB) of the way between his chin and the top of his head. It's unnaturally perfect, which is why it seems uncanny.", "That beautiful young college coed would be over 105 years old.", "What are the differences between these two notes?\n\nWhat do mean? They are the same!", "Definitely, just, not unpleasant just very mild and very white. \n\nI thought he could have been the next Sinatra when he first started but he took a hard veer into Christmas With Dennis.", "Thanks! I'm gonna check that out.", "His singing speaks for itself. \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7r3seBU9VE\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG8_OxI0J2Y", "but only happens with close notes, right? or you just hear 1 tone no matter what?", "Not to worry, music recording apps have autotune options built in these days, same as how photo apps have skin-retouching and face-reshaping built in too. There's no need to experience or express the natural world at all!", "There is no soul to it.", "Tone deaf is when someone is unable to accurately differentiate between different notes.\n\n[Test.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrr5FgjWZk)", "Tone deaf is when people have a tougher time distinguishing music notes.\n\nThere's a cool [tone deaf test](https://www.themusiclab.org/quizzes/td) where it will play 2 entirely different notes and you have to guess if the last note was higher or lower. It does this like 10 times with the notes getting closer and closer in pitch. You and I may be able to hear the difference between 90% of the sounds, but others may not be able to distinguish most\n\n30/32", "I had no idea Edward Cullen was a singer", "When you sing in a car with other people and they all either look at you in total horror or turn the radio up... you are tone deaf.", "Unless you're an expert. Applies to both cases.", "I mean the guy can sing really well, and his voice is pretty nice to listen to in live recordings. Some producer thought it was a good idea to autotune his voice for his studio albums to give it a cleaner sound, but I agree it sounds like absolute shit and I've thought that since I first heard him on the radio", "My thoughts exactly. Buble's style is more precise to begin with, which makes it less clear how much of it is autotune vs his singing style. It would be interesting to compare a singer going for a precise pitch and the same performance autotuned.", "I still think it's just a combination of a slight natural resting tilt (look at the difference in the ears as well) and the fact hat she has slightly different shape eyes.", "I can usually hear the \"snapping\" of autotune (having had a studio of my own). Found this guys video yesterday and really liked the visualiser.\n\nOh and watch his Glenn Cambell video!", "I'm not too familiar with this show, but let's not pretend a heavily edited TV show is a good representation of what his voice sounds like live and un-processed.\n\n I don't have any reason to believe his performance wasn't pre-recorded in a booth. Even if they're using his performance when he's in a costume (and turning away from the mic without getting any quieter), there are plenty of ways to apply pitch correction to 'live' vocals. There's no way this massive production is plugging a mic straight into the board without any kind of processing first.", "thank you, did the test, not tone deaf :)", "If Bublé was the earth it WOULD be flat.", "While it's possible to hit some notes perfectly, being perfect on every word isn't. In golf hitting a hole in one is possible but nobody is close to being able to get it with every ball. \n\nIt also really doesn't matter who you pick, since nobody can sing consistently pitch perfect. It would have worked the same way with a world class opera singer. If somebody had that ability we would know because they would be famous for that.", "This is a great video but it's worth making an important distinction between autotune and pitch correction (using a tool like Melodyne).\n\nAutotune attempts to do all the things he's describing automatically, and often in real time, including in live performances (see the disturbed sound of silence performance).\n\nPitch correction more broadly is applying these edits semi-manually and often with a lot of small tweaking to pitch drift, formant, vibrato width, and pitch center. Eg, That bit he explains at ~12:00 might have been an intentional production choice to \"humanize\" the tuned performance and leave it a little rough. I've done a TON of this kind of work and we do that all the time, making lots of choices about what sounds too robotic and needs to be loosened up.\n\nI'd venture that even a lot of vocal performances you think are not tuned have been tuned a little bit. I think that a little tuning can improve a vocal performance, but the industry seems to favor SUPER overtuned vocals now which sucks.", "Natural talent is practice.", "Man I'm not gonna watch 22 minutes on something as boring as auto-tune...\n\n22 minutes later\n\nMichael Bublé is a got damn phony\n\n.\n\nedit: for everyone saying \"He can still sing!!!\" ... I'm just being silly, of course he can still sing", "I was blown away by the difference just a compressor and a good microphone make on the voice. I think young people are more likely to have access to music production software, and to play with those tools. We'll see a lot of new and interesting music in the coming years.", "If you put Whitney Houston's \"I will always love you\" through autotune, the computer thinks every note she's singing is wrong.", "For pop definitely 99.99%", ">what do you mean tone deaf?\n\nI think that means using the N word in mixed company?", "But surely there is a difference between being able to hear yourself make tones and other people make tones.", "Expert here, nope. If it's done well you should never be able to tell. Also melodyne is better.", "Not tone deaf, and sowehow managed to name the last sequence. Although I failed the 2 before that.", "Yeah, I'm kinda struggling with like why it matters? It's interesting to see, for sure. But... everything is touched up. If you gotta bust out the microscope to notice, does it matter?\n\n\n(I don't listen to Buble and I'm 99% sure the bands/artists I listen to don't use auto tune, but if they _did_ who cares if you enjoy it?)", "For a musician it is obvious when a note is hit perfectly and you can see him cringe when Buble hits the high note because of how fake it sounds to him. \n\n\nSeeing him in concert and hearing the real variation and it not being exactly on a note, would immediately show that it isn't Autotuned.", "It's also because his style of singing is that kind of 'loud, slow yelling' kind of crooning.\n\n\nIt's still technically incredible but it's not as interesting.", "Most autotuning has accuracy/strength adjusters", "IMO it depends. There are times where it really works and times where it doesn’t. With Jazz it sounds weird to me, but I absolutely love it on other genres. Idk why tho.", "I've only ever used Melodyne but I'm pretty sure that Autotune also offers manual editing, and vice versa (you can set up Melodyne to \"autotune\")", "Commenter didn’t know what “opinion” means.", "this dude is waaaaaaaaaaay over explaining here. jesus christ we get what is happening you don't have to stop every 2 seconds to talk for 2 minutes explaining the same thing over and over", "Hah, I did the worst on the first, was off by 2 on the second note, and only was one off the last with 3. It's like I was better with more notes", "This could be a good moment to implore wings of pegasus to please please please get a better camera or at least lower the exposure or something D:", "never even heard of him...the music is not my cup of tea\n\nbut I guess I won't forget the name now because of Bubble Bobble", "So what you're saying is... You want an auto-tuned face.", "How does it sound with overtune singing? Particularly non-lyrical stuff like Wolfgang Saus?", "Yeah, you're right. I meant auto tune the concept vs Antares Autotune (the plugin).\n\nAnd yeah melodyne has snap to grid with params to control the strength etc. which is kinda \"automatic\".\n\nI meant more to differentiate the concepts and some of the nuance. Eg when he talks about noise gate/threshold, it could have been that the tool tuned that part fine but it sounded weird so they loosened it up or disabled it.\n\npitch correction tools are amazing these days, when used tastefully.", "This hardly qualifies as data. So I guess you’re right it would be perfect for that sub.", "Cold and flat. Nice way to end.", "Hmm I got 24 out of 32 which isn't \"tone deafness\" by definition but still only better than 23 percent of people who have done the test and on the \"bad\" side of the hump. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if their data skews right because I imagine lot of their visitors are musicians in some way and more trained and experienced.", "He's a cool guy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDKgo3jFwFE", "If the Gap were a musical artist it would be Michael Buble. He’s the definition of boring. But he’s moderately attractive and he has a nice voice so he’s easy to digest for people. Basically a Las Vegas lounge act.", "I would argue that you wouldn't have known Buble's vocals had been autotuned before this video OR thought that his performance \"felt wrong\". You're only just stating this now to jump on the artistic high-ground bandwagon.\n\nUnless you only listen to orchestral performances, or music from 20+ years ago, then it's most likely that many performances you've heard, not just vocals - guitars also for instance, have had pitch correction applied in post-production without you realising or thinking that they sound off.", "I got completely obliterated by the last one. I didn't get a single number right.", "I'm not really a Buble fan either but I just want to throw out there that if you want to use software to make your singing perfect there is no real reason you shouldn't. It's your music, make it sound how ever you want.", "When did Old Greg start doing YouTube videos about music?", "Thought that was young Steve Perry explaining it at first", "He didn't mention something important. \n\nright away he shows a part of a song with a chorus (multiple voices). A VST (program) like this can't pin a single pitch to multiple sounds. so of course it jumps all around. \n\nthat doesn't mean it's better. it just means the data input is not a single tone. \n\nThe rest of the video was cool. It's fun to see vocals that are artificially precise. A good autotuner will actually mimic imperfections. I do it all the time", "You never win when you try to argue about art. Art is subjective. There isn't an answer that everyone will agree is correct.", "Identifying the sequence of numbers in a major scale killed me. \n\nIs that easy for lots of people?", "Creates a sort of sameness across a lot of pop music that makes it all blend together.", "That's one thing that kinda scares me about learning more about music theory. I'm afraid that once I have the tools to analyze the mechanics of what's happening in music in great detail, each song then becomes, \"Oh, we're starting this in X Z (where X is a pitch and Z is a mode) on an inverted minor tonic triad\" and so on.\n\nBut also, learning more music theory has helped me learn choral music better because it gives me a framework to learn my notes in the greater context of the music.", "It’s because they just throw you in. By the third time your ear starts to figure out the pitch game. You’d be able to figure it out pretty quick after a few minutes of practicing a major scale.", "I agree with everything you said, I'm just disappointed that T-Pain wasn't on your little Rushmore of iconic autotune users.", ">Michael Bublé is a got damn phony\n\nI think you missed the point where he says that he knows Michael can sing but his album may have had an autotune pass on it after he recorded and had gone home.", "I can guarantee that whatever music you listen to has had digital effects applied to improve the sound (unless you only listen to music from the 70s/80s and before).\n\nBack in the day if a recording was off they'd rerecord it over and over again until it was right. That doesn't point to a higher artistic bar than using software to correct a mostly good performance, it's just a time consuming \"brute-force\" way of achieving the same result. They could do the same with Buble's vocals but it's a comparative waste of time.", "From a finished perspective it still matters. Different audio techniques result in different sounding final products. How is that hard to grasp? The idea that all finished songs somehow land in “good” or “bad” with no nuance is such a ridiculous take. Music sounds different depending on how you make it, and evokes different emotional responses", "Similar problem with drum machines. They are too precise and you can pick up on that artificial precision that a real drummer doesn't have.", "Agreed, their examples were solid, but how do you skip over the guy who made his ENTIRE CAREER out of having an autotuned voice?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSc3Q7OLyQ", "I imagine a world where we'll autotune our speaking voices in Mark Zuckerberg's Metaverse.", "Thanks for that link, it proves that what everyone has been telling me is correct! lol", "Like many music producers.", ">Genuinely curious, because it seems like the “proof” is “Freddie couldn’t hit notes bang on, therefore no one can”\n\nFor what it's worth, it's not necessarily desirable to \"hit notes bang on\" the way you might think. The 12-Tone Equal Temperament tuning system that we use for pianos where we have 12 discrete pitches to each octave is a way of approximating the whole number ratios of frequencies that make for different intervals/chords. There are other tunings for given chords you might choose within a piece of music (e.g. the [\"barbershop seventh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_seventh_chord)) and there are times you might make other microtonal adjustments even without being acutely aware of it. \n\nMajor autotune software that I am aware of, on the other hand, only sees the music in those 12 discrete notes. Maybe there are some packages out there for Country Music or Barbershop that acknowledge some microtonal trends, but the software still won't have the nuance to selectively apply its pitch adjustments the way that a master musician might do in live performance.", "Pretty cool, but he enjoys hearing himself talk. The video had no reason to be 20 minutes long.", "This comment should be higher up.", "can't read the room and ends up saying a lot of racist stuff as a result.", "It's the \"uncanny valley\" effect.\n\nSomething is wrong, but you can't say exactly what it is. But it definitely isn't human.", "If you are someone that plays music and is learning notes, I would imagine learning music theory would be super relevant and worth it. I am just talking as someone who likes music in general, but isn't a diehard.", "He has a Nigel Thornberry head basically is what you mean:\n\nhttps://imgur.com/gallery/af9Bj\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-vVOHNZDP4", "Yeah and Barry Bonds sure could hit a baseball", "I'd love a follow up where he applies autotune to the Freddie Mercury vocals, and shows them side by side so we can hear the difference between a natural vocal section before and after autotune.", "Michael Buble is the subject of the absolute best \"Bad Lip Reading\" video ever done.\n\n[https://youtu.be/YjaZNYSt7o0](https://youtu.be/YjaZNYSt7o0)", "He really does have good content and explains it well.", "correct. As someone who actually makes music on a computer for years, I'll tell you it's not a villain. it's a tool \n\nJust wait until they find out every other instrument and song they've heard in a song for the last 30 years has also been altered on a computer.", "> white\n\noh of course it's a race thing. How could something not be.", "This is a typical example of data, what are you talking about? High frequency uniform sampling of fluctuations of air density measured with a precise instrument. The data is then processed (fourier transformed) to enable spectral analysis.", "It's honestly just a neat video, not much more deeper than that", "[ Jump to 12:00 @ So... YOU can't hear auto tune? 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[^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Great next you’re gonna tell me Maynard James is auto-tuned to hell.", "Because there are multiple ways to enjoy music. \n\nOne way is saying \"this sounds nice\", at which point who cares if it's used or not. \n\nAnother way to enjoy music is \"wow this person can really sing\", which makes autotune relevant. \n\nA third way is to use it as a mechanism to enforce some kind of elitism.\n\n\nA metaphor: Bob likes racing because he thinks going fast is cool. In a footrace, Kim beat James. Bob thinks that's neat, good for Kim. Alice is pissed off because she thinks a racer's skill is the most important aspect of the race, and Kim rode a motorcycle.", "Most have to learn the last one through consistent practice - it's a completely attainable skill if you can do the other challenges (even then you might be able to learn it but it would take longer)", "Bro it’s his gimmick because T Pain can absolutely belt out some good stuff.", "This is great but it could have been five minutes. \nHe repeats his points so often.", "I think it's just the genres he sings? To me it's basically like an incredibly well-sung lullaby.", "No, but people can get better at it with enough practice and exposure. I played instruments growing up and took music theory in high school where intervals are practiced just like this so it’s kind of easy for me but I wouldn’t say I’m very good at it.", "I believe it's a learned skill (at least for most). That section was pretty easy for me because I have weird things in my memory such as a perfect 5th (1-5 in the sequence) sounds like 'Star wars' and a perfect 4th (1-4) sounds like 'Here comes the bride'", "I've been using numbers to represent musical notes for so long, the numbers instantly popped into my head as soon as they were played.", "The last ones felt more like a memory test than a pitch test to me but I also don't know how to recognize any notes. I imagine someone who knows music better would be able to keep track of the note names as they hear them.", "Auto tune live is a totally different thing. Autotuning on buble's stuff is done manually so it doesn't make him sound toooo robotic", "He's a phenomenal singer and I will never understand why he allows his studio performances to be treated the way they are. He absolutely does not need the help.", "I mean you can play the thesaurus game all you want, it doesn’t change that your “data” are two vocal samples with basic visualization. 1. The visualization does not aid comprehension of the aural data in any meaningful way and 2. This is not “typical” data at all. I sincerely hope you did some yoga before you went for this stretch lmao. \n\nI’m dunking on the sub because it’s full of shitty visualizations with even shittier datasets supporting them, constantly defended by half rate “analysts” responsible for the glut of shit tier BI platforms that look like absolute shit and function even worse. Don’t think the irony isn’t lost on me the name is “dataisbeautiful” rather than “dataarebeautiful”\n\nThat sub is peak “my excel data skills are godly, I know how to use VLOOKUP”\n\nLike this is the #2 post of all time. You can’t make this shit up.\n\nhttps://i.redd.it/2731jdr3ibo21.png", "This. Snow us it in process.", "[A little bit of it?](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/031/Screen_Shot_2019-09-05_at_1.54.12_PM.jpg)", ".... With his permission.", "I like to be awestruck by the skillexpression in the vocal performance. When it's artificially cleaned up, its just not the same anymore. Not to mention it makes voices less personal, and more like everyone else.\n\nWould you be equally impressed, if the winner of Tour de France was riding an electric bike, while his opponants were not?", "The bones in your sinuses and around your ear canal actually vibrate and make you sound much lower to yourself. That’s why recordings of yourself sound different than you actually hear yourself. I have also heard tone deaf people can be trained to hear tones in the same way a musician would practice. If you can’t differentiate between tones you can’t make them either unless you get lucky.", "Like with a hard R? Cause that’s just racist my friend.", "I guess \"poorly\" is subjective here. The whole premise of the OP video is that the guy is an expert and able to tell when things are autotuned. He just uses a visual aid to help people that are not expert see what he hears.", "> Michael Bublé is a got damn phony\n\nDude can still sing.", "I would consider myself an expert in VFX, and there are VFX that are, for all intents and purposes, completely undetectable. Granted, it's not most of them, but you can definitely have VFX that 100% passes even to experts.", "The pause and starting of playing the samples is so annoying. Play it full once, and go back and point stuff out. Can't hear a damn thing when you're pausing every 2 seconds to talk for 30 seconds.", "Live auto tune is different than post recording auto tune. Like imagine T-Pain’s auto tune and that’s how it would sound if you used it live. Much easier to hear cause it will have a weird synth like feedback.", "But he uses autotune so he will never be flat. Or sharp.", "Idk if that is necessarily true cause T-Pain can actually sing there are just massive post effects on his voice.", "I thought so too, until I was introduced to this:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRAOdRq-1lw", "Possibly, but when I happened to watch his [Tiny desk concert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc) it really blew me away how good is voice is, way better than I expected.\n\nAnd I assume NPR isn't doing any massive processing of vocals, as that seems against the whole Tiny desk concert vibe. But maybe they are, who knows.", "Well I think you could argue it is what compression is to the loudness wars. A perfectly useful tool you'd almost certainly want on pretty much all your songs. But if you abuse it, you're making your music less interesting.", "You just gotta look at the pixels! /s", "Holy shit. I can physically feel your neckbeardiness. Yuck.", "Looks like that Vocal Pitch Monitor app, if you want to compare other songs in your library using the same method.", "Exactly! Probably at least 90 percent of professionally recorded and mixed music you hear these days has at least been touched up with melodyne. Such a beautiful software. Changed my entire perspective of music when I learned about it in audio school. The editing process is an art in its own. Wish people knew how much work and creativity goes into the editing and mixing process of music. I love writing music but the mixing process is so invigorating, although tedious.", "That isn’t just auto tune dude. That’s auto tuned and modulated and played backwards and then recorded, played backwards again and recorded, then BAM! T-Pain album.", "That did not need to be 20 minutes long. \n\n tl;dw -- Freddie Mercury, genius gifted singer, stays on the note, but wobbles in the graph +/- a little bit around the note. Michael Buble, popular and slightly more than mediocre singer, is perfectly on-the-note each time, every time with only variations being his breathing. \n\nThat means Buble is auto tuned, Freddie is still the GOAT.", "Instasubbed", "I think I see what you’re saying. Although autotune can be used live, this guy is skilled enough at hearing others sing that he knew with certainty that Buble wasn’t using autotune that time he heard him live.\n\nBut maybe Buble merely used a very light autotuning that time this guy heard him sing live.", "Shit, I misread this comment as \"I loved the follow up where he applies autotune to the Freddie Mercury vocals\" and spent the last ten minutes looking for it. You should comment on the video.", "Agreed. You can't achieve pitch adjustment like we saw in the video without having a decent voice or at least be able to get 1 take that is good enough.", "> Every musician that's ever had professional mixing done is using pitch correction.\n\n...wat?", "It's like recording from tape to tape to tape. There's generation loss.\n\nMichael Buble is a bad tape recording of Harry Connick Jr., who is a bad tape recording of Frank Sinatra.", "That game was my jam.", "When Bobby Darin did your whole schtick 60 years ago it's hard to feel fresh", "Yeah I agree with you, I saw him live once and felt he sounded less \"warm\" but also far more interesting.", "Except that artifical diamonds are good for society.", "not a race thing at all, that's just the average reddit user according to some poll, dont take things so serious bud\n\n\\-nerdy white college age guy", "The voice is an instrument and you can put effects pedals on it if you want", "You think those are drums you're hearing?", "I don’t listen to him much, but mainly know him through the songs he’s covered. While he does have a good voice and can cover a wide range of songs, I never feel his version is better than the original he’s covering. Personally, I think he’s made a great career choice by being the go to guy for songs of yesteryear, but it’s just not the same if I’m listening to a recording.", "This is why I wish the comparison was with another oldie who was known for great pitch but who also sang in Buble’s style. The shakiness and even being slightly off could be inherently part of how a superstar like Mercury or Adele conveys their emotion into the song. Even Adele versus Buble would be more insightful. But maybe a Frank Sinatra style singer would be even better.", "Just like the guy in the video, i caught myself smiling every time Freddie Mercury hit a note, haha.", "what is the pitch analyzer he's using?", "Skip 3 mins 15s into the video. The preamble is interesting but tedious at the same time\n\n\nBut I do love how he starts grinning the moment Freddie Mercury's voice is playing. It's hard not to smile when you hear his voice", "It's a bit vague how the term \"auto tune\" is used colloquially. To a lot of people, it means \"sounds like T-Pain.\" To others, it means \"pitch corrected.\" I think this is where a lot of confusion comes from when people argue whether or not their favorite artist is \"auto tuned. \"", "I can't say that I have ever experienced an \"uncomfortable feeling\" from vocals. Maybe it comes down to the sort of music that you listen to. I find auto-tune relatively inoffensive, if anything I feel that it can add more value to live performances where it is not present. \n\nWhat does drive me nuts is the lack of dynamic range in music, I like my drums to kick!\n\nLike with many things in music, artists are given access to a wide range of tools I just set it in the same category as digital reverb, distortion, etc.. I mean you could go as far as to say that a digital piano produces the same note every time you press a key whereas a grand piano could never do that due to temperature, humidity and wear and tear. Does that make digital piano music bad? I'd say that it's just different.", "He's also a bit of a pretentious dick.", "I think if a singer was singing a specific scale they could but jumping around perfectly is near impossible. Someone may have done it, but they haven’t been revealed yet.", "I'm gonna have to come back to this, I got to the bit where he said that not being note perfect ads to the performance, not takes away from it, and he is absolutely correct.\n\nAnd I'm back. He's absolutely right, autotune is being used, and there's often no real reason for it. Everyone knows that live performances differ from recordings, but using autotune increases those differences, and I don't see why some producers do it when it's really not necessary.\n\nTo paraphrase Ben Folds, some producer with computers fixes all the shitty tracks, even though they're not shitty.", "Great idea.", "Some kids actually sing those auto-tune \"artifacts\" naturally since majority of the vocals they've heard have been \"auto-tuned\".", "Rick Beato has an excellent video on the problems with it.\n\nEdit: Also why quantized music sucks for music.", "I swear I saw a video of someone doing that with a different vocalist, I’m gonna go see if I can find it.\n\nEdit: it was [this video](https://youtu.be/yxX2u8iggYI)", "And he did it so much nobody thinks the guy can sing. I was floored listening to him in the masked singer.", "I have never seen you, i don't know who you are, but I sincerley hate you with a passion now. \n\nI will now continue to not think about your existence but my disdain for you, shall forever persist at your side. You will remember this whenever a pebble finds a way into your shoe, or you stub your little toe, or your grocery bag rips as you carry it to your car or when any other inconvenience might befall you.\n\nYou brought this upon yourself.", "There is an uncanny valley to autotune that you dont even have to be a producer to hear. Anyone who either sings or plays music regularly will be able to spot the robotic flatness of autotune.\n\nBuble sounds like a synthesizer to me.", "I had the same thought and now I'm down a YouTube rabbit hole. Lots of examples of this experiment: https://youtu.be/PougKDc_gzI?t=67", "His performance there is really good, too. Funny stuff.\n\nI've always loved [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cw1uLVSl1Y). I'm not a fan of his music, but seeing this made me a fan of him. Just funny and likable and his show looks like fun (for boring old people).", "Yeah, you can just shift the whole syllable or word slightly up or down while keeping all the natural wobble intact, there's no way for anyone to actually detect that with their ears (unless you're moving it like a full note or something)", "Exactly, I've tuned 100's of big records that don't sound tuned at all, but yeah it's my main gig.", "Thaaaank you for posting this. There is such weird discourse around pitch correction in music and I always see laypeople go \"autotune = bad\" without any understanding of the nuance of the available software or how it's applied in modern practice. \n\nAdam Neely has a great video on the subject that I would recommend people watch. Though realistically he's definitely geared his content more for music nerds than the average listener.\n\n\nBut yeah, in my experience working in audio, pitch correction can be 1) practical, to minimize the amount of time spent recording takes / reducing studio costs and 2) stylistic - there is a ton of music out there for which 'perfect' vocals are appropriate. It's all up to the editor to do it tastefully or not.", "God why does he take so long to get to the content...", "Super interesting thanks :)", "This analogy doesn’t really work for me, because sports’ primary appeal is in finding the top performers in their fields. Music’s primary appeal is creativity. \n\nNo one is listening to Queen or Michael Buble for the sport of their ability. If they are, there are literally thousands of vocalists that could (technically speaking) sing them under the table. \n\nI’d venture to bet you could find a local opera production with better singers. They don’t however have Freddie’s creative abilities. The technical is only a tool in service of a creative goal.", "One of the highlights of my career was being able to work with stems from virtually every significant musician of the last 60 years.\n\nThere were some vocals that were powerful all on their own. Freddy Mercury for sure. Another one was Kurt Cobain.\n\nThere were some surprises, too. Fred Durst had been obviously tweaked but still was better than it should have been.", "this video is a little silly. Things can be tuned properly and this guy wouldn't be able to tell whether it has been or not. It's just bad tuning on Buble. He should call me lol.", "> What difference does it make if you couldn't tell the difference? \n\nAbsolutely none but when I can tell the difference I don't like it. I started listening to music before the era of pitch correction. It must be completely different for a <25 yo person who hasn't heard that much music without it.", "It's good... But there is no zoozoom leaving scents on peoples graves!", "My piano teacher taught me for every interval there's a little song you can sing. So for 1-5 it's \"Twinkle Twinkle Little Star\", or 1-4 is the \"Meow Mix\" song, etc. I don't remember the rest but that's the idea.", "[Sideways](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hTQC1CZko) has a great video on the conflation/misconception of Autotune/Melodyne/Pitch correction in general.", ">Melodyne is a fantastic tool, and could be used to expand a singer’s range without adding an artificial sound.\n\nIt's a great tool, but that's beyond its capabilities. It can add maybe a semitone without audible artifacts, really no reason to use it for that purpose.", "It's a real shame that he's being crushed by AT and not tuned properly. When it's done right you can't hear it (and not even this guy would be able to tell).", "Singing isn't a competitive sport in the same way cycling is. I listen for enjoyment and if it's enjoyable, what's the big deal? You can't cheat at music. Is a loop pedal cheating? Is using programmable instruments cheating?\n\nI agree it's more impressive if they hit the notes naturally, but ultimately composition and melody are more important.\n\n\nIf it makes the voices less personal up you, then that is certainly a strike against it. I just personally wouldn't notice without this video.", "most metal and hard rock is tuned these days because we're all used to hearing such perfect vocals that anything less sounds off, even to non-musical ppl", "Rip SOPHIE.", "A lot of the hate for auto tune seemed to start when hip hop and rnb artists started, deliberately, over using it deliberately for that \"effect\". I'm not a big fan of that Auto-Tune t-pain style but I don't hate it, it's just another tool in an artist's tool belt.", "Exactly.\n\nIt's like hearing a drum machine vs a real drummer. Mechanical precision vs human emotion that pushes and pulls at the tempo creating a more interesting experience.", "Didn’t know Bobby Gillespie had a YouTube channel.", "I haven't seen the movie but would be surprised if her vocals weren't pitch corrected.", "TIL I have reasonably good hearing according to their results, tho I had to shut my eyes and focus only on hearing once it got harder. Some of those changes were so minuscule I'm not certain how anyone can hear them reliably. \n\n Also the countdown tone scared my cat for some reason.", "if you do this for a living it's easy to hear that Buble has been, but yes you're right, if it's done well, you won't know it happened.", ">This analogy doesn’t really work for me, because sports’ primary appeal is in finding the top performers in their fields. Music’s primary appeal is creativity.\n\nTo you, maybe. My whole point is that there are people who enjoy comparing artist ability etc. There's a reason people like videos with titles like \"top ten guitarists of all time\", or enjoy watching yoyo ma go nuts on the cello. People like technical proficiency and mastery in addition to creativity.", "If auto-tune is done right, no one can tell. The Michael track sounds like someone just used auto-tune on automatic mode and Michael sang well. It's the work of a lazy engineer. When done right it is done note by note pain-stakenly by hand and ear. I hav however run into singers who always sound like they used autotune when they aren't. I know because I was the one recording them and thinking somehow I had autotune on them when I didn't. \n\n\nI used to record a lot of vocals for Justin Timberlake. After recording he would ask that his vocals be autotuned and vocal aligned. And I would do neither other than tune a note here or there. He would never know the difference since his singing was already spot on. And the more tuning and aligning you do, the more it compromises the sound. But it was just easier to say \"OK\" and let him think those things were done to ease his insecurities. Almost everything was first take as well. The only reason to tune a note here or there was simply lack of time to go back and punch in.", "Exactly.\n\nOr, even more commonly, Autotune is used to create vocal effect. People can \"tell\" because they want people to be able to tell. It sounds like that intentionally, that electronic/vocodey sound is what the production is going for. \n\nMost people aren't even going to notice poor or amateur pitch correction. They notice it when it's intentionally made noticeable for effect.", "In 25 yrs of concerts I've only heard 2 - Richard Marx & one of India Arie's backup singers", "i have tried to explain that to a few people and no one gets it lol", "All of her singing (as well as a bunch of the cast) was heavily auto tuned to a massive extent.", "auto tune is the worst thing that's ever happened to music", "It's hilarious, it really does. I've been using it for over 25 yrs and tune vocals for a living and I'll have kids on here lecturing me about it", "He's what I think of when I hear auto tune. And maybe lil Wayne's lollipop. Not the stuff shown in the vid or comments. Auto tune to me is T-Pain.", "Bruh….auto-tune gave us every one hit wonder band ever. When you aren’t practiced like you say, you’re ideas run out pretty fuckin quick because of your lack of musical knowledge. Only knowing a handful of harmonic chord progressions and being auto-tune dependent on them won’t make for a good 2nd album.", "Imagine trying to be condescending to internet strangers when you actively play Clash of Clans. NeCkBeArD you sound like a fucking loser trying to cope lmao\n\nI forget commenting in default subs means being barraged by hordes of aggressively average white men trying really really hard to convince themselves they’re special for using reddit", "Honestly, seeing how smug this guy was about autotune throughout had me checking his production credits. He definitely is getting more attention talking about music production than he is doing it.", "No, because no two performances are the same and the studio gives you a ton of advantages even without autotune or any direct vocal manipulation.", "Other guy kinda touched on this, but in something like Melodyne, you have the option of “auto-tuning”, which is an automatic adjustable process like a photoshop filter, but you can also manually adjust a performance in an editor. \n\nSo it’s like the visual that the guy has in the video, and you can grab and drag the pitches around. I will often use it to grab a specific note in a phrase or something, but leave the rest alone. It’s time intensive, but you get into trouble when you start applying it like a plug-in (which is clearly what’s going on in the Buble take, cuz it’s snapping all kinds of transients and passing notes).", "The mockingjay was autotuned.", "> Next step is to improve Auto-Tune software to introduce \"controlled\" imperfections and we are done ...\n\nThere is a \"Humanize\" dial on the UI.", "I mostly listen to music that sounds like it was recorded on a shed, believe me when I tell you most shit I listen to doesn't have autotune, but it's really just because it doesn't fit the genre at all. I don't really mind it when I hear it though", "I did not expect to watch all 20mins of that video! Really interesting! \nAnd Michael B is a gifted singer. I'm sort of sad that he was autotuned, because it would sound more 'real' and human without it.", "I guarantee you've listened to dozens of songs you liked and didn't even notice the autotune or the time aligned drums. It's like plastic surgery, you don't even notice it when it's well done", "How do you know the sound of silence performance was auto-tuned? Genuinely curious as I've thought for a while that it's one of the best vocal performances I've ever heard, so I'd be disappointed if it was enhanced in some way.", "It’s his songs. Generic pop songs and the tunes that made him famous were covers of jazz standards.", "This is a really great way of showing this! This has been an ongoing trend in audio for the last decade or so - the hyper-tuning of the entire vocal and de-humanization of the performance. I think most people notice it, even if they can’t put their finger on it. Dear Evan Hansen, the In the Heights movie, anything that’s heavily produced tends to be heavily tuned. It’s a shame, because all these people can sing! \n\nHowever, everyone should know - almost every album you love that’s made in the last 20 years has some form of pitch correction. Every professional singer. There’s a good, natural way to do it that “chooses the pitch the performer meant to sing”, and there’s a bad way to do it that turns the singer into a robot. There’s some pitch correction you could do to the Freddie performance and no one would know. We could also turn it into the buble performance - it’s a choice. The choice is the part I don’t understand because, as the guy in the video says, buble can sing!\n\nSource: I do this for a living :)", "Retailers love Michael buble. Back when I worked at kohl’s we must’ve had 15 of that motherfucker’s covers on the playlist. Maybe he’s cheaper to license than the originals, or maybe the inoffensive flatness of his covers makes it better background music for shopping.", "You only notice the bad wigs", "That was fascinating!! I've heard some say that k.d. lang produces near-perfect pitch and notes, I'd be interested to see her music in a analyzer like this. Very awesome, in any case!", "For an even more extreme example of this, listen to Dorian Electra or 100 gecs.", "Right? A segment with the full playthroughs of both excerpts before the commentary would have been most welcome.", "So, autotune is aim bot for vocalists? Just snappin' to notes.", "My man you're toxic AF. Maybe should avoid the internet for awhile because it's apparently corrupting your soul.", "Charlie Puth is meant to have perfect pitch. Would be great to his voice analyzed.", "There’s a lot in this clip that’s relevant to Op’s post too. You can hear that this is a non-auto-tuned performance. Little flat, which is real, and I dig it. Real singing. He tells the kid, “Come stand in front of these things” and he is talking about the stage monitors- speakers for the performer so they can hear themselves sing even if the audience is loud. Without the monitors it’s really easy to go out of tune and not know it. Buble is a real performer here, no tricks or cheats, and he’s changing this kid’s life too. He’s a cool guy.", "You just described practice. If we can automate out practice we might as well automate out humans and go full aijutebox.", "Wow, really interesting. In my opinion, it's the nuances and slight imperfections that make songs seem more relatable and human. I suppose it's different from genre to genre and song to song, though? \nBut, does autotune have its place? I imagine it does. Are there super talented musicians and songwriters that have great material, but just need the help of autotune to get their career over that hump?", "Everyone does. Same reason everyone takes shirt off pics after a fast and a pump. Even if you're in great shape, a little help to look even better naturally would be silly to turn down. Most every serious artist has autotune retouchings done for perfectionist purposes, even if they're rock-solid singers.\n\nSources: More Plates More Dates and Rick Beato :)", "Agreed. I found it pretty annoying he constantly paused the track to either repeat himself or point out something obvious.", "...Is this some kind of copypasta? 😬", "I am in the same boat. Kept skipping around in the video trying to find the spot. Still an interesting video.", "His most [recent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfqyNYu6khw) BTS one for some reason just hits all the right notes with me. It has become my favorite even over some of all the classics put out.", "Mmmm whatchya sayyyy...", "This, but unironically. Both are incredibly talented people, aided or not.", "This. It took him the first 2 1/2 minutes to just say \"I'm going to visually compare two singers. One uses autotune, one doesn't.\"\n\nAlmost got bored, which would have been a shame as there's good content here. Just too much waffle.", "> Buble's style is more precise to begin with\n\nIs it, or are you just used to hearing all of his material autotuned?\n\n(I don't know myself, but it seems a sensible question to ask to my mind)", "Agreed, it does seem like a bit of a biased comparison. Surely a better idea would've been to just compare a studio version of a Michael Bublé to a live version of the same song. Obviously there are going to be differences and the live version will never be as precise, but you'd at least see how two things that are meant to be sung the same by the same person compare.", "Idk, I got all of them right and felt like I could reasonably hear a difference even between the couple that were pretty close.", "No, I’m saying the industries have different goals. This is not a subjective claim. The commercial success of music is no way tied to technical competition. \n\nEven in your hypotheticals, you still can only name creatives. There are again thousands of cellists technically better than Yo-Yo Ma. His technical abilities only work in service of his creativity, which is why he’s successful. \n\nSo criticizing autotune is a misunderstanding of what makes a band like Queen successful enough for anyone to have heard of them in the first place.", "I mean, that's not what he said. He said he could sing, and he complimented his control on his vibrato.", "I think it's important to realize that this is also not indicative of his singing ability (he's actually a fantastically talented singer), but far more indicative of the standards in production in the music industry present in the last 10-15 years.\n\nI'm a musician of about 20 years (with a degree in it, although that barely matters), and I can tell you that it's typical for even amazing singers to be autotuned these days because that's just what we're used to hearing now, and it's weird to our ears not to hear it in modern music, even when a singer can sing the part without the help of digital tuning. If Adele in fact does not use ANY auto-tune, then that makes her an extreme outlier, and doesn't really say anything about Michael Buble's abilities or career. In the unusual event that a great popular singer from the 70s or 80s makes a modern recording, the producers almost always auto-tune the sh\\t out of it just based on modern standards, which is why you can hear a stark difference in modern recordings when listening to one of your favorite singers from a different decade.", "I'd bet a lot of money that his voice is pitch corrected. It just comes with the Pop Music territory. I think people would be dumbstruck at how much tuning takes place, even within genres and from artists they don't expect. But pop... definitely.\n\nThat's why Adele's early records were such an anomaly. Hozier too. I'm not saying their tracks are 100% natural, but if they are \"touched up\" they deliberately left a lot of it quite \"loose\"", "As a Vegas local, I resent your comment...I saw a lounge band here with Elvis impersonator on vocals, Slash on guitar, Flea on bass and Peter Chriss on drums. It was as amazing as it sounds...Vegas has stepped up its game in the last 15 years.", "Oh man, that's brutal. Thank god Freddie was around before they could destroy his voice.", "generally I like accents in voices, but vocal fry is horrible. it has no redeeming qualities.", "They are live performances. But that said, I have definitely heard autotune applied to some of the lessor talented singers on the show. I don't think T-Pain is one of those though since he won that season. One thing about that show is all of the lessor talented singers get eliminated eventually.", "I’m a producer and I’ve been saying this for years and no one believes me because “Bublé does t sound like Cher or t-pain”. Yes. True. But he’s still totally auto tuned. \n\nAutotune destroys the natural texture and imperfections of the human voice, making it too perfect and robotic sounding. Owl city’s “fireflies” is another great example.", "Yo, amen! The stigma is disappointing because we make comparable allowances in other mediums. Sanding and finishing in furniture, image processing in photography. Sure if someone can do something all-natural that's a true feat, but the effects and finishes applied are very much part of the art. Music records aren't simply candid audio captures of raw performances, the recordings have their own life and sound outside of what performers can do \"live\".", "Exactly, Autotune is a thing that helps a horrible singer sell albums, and manufactured diamonds help to stop perpetuating artificially inflated priced products that are created through slave labor.", "It's embarrassing that this video has any traction at all. It's /r/confidentlyincorrect material. He's comparing two different singers with very different approaches to pitch. Freddy Mercury is very loose, in a good way, but that doesn't mean everyone who isn't is tuned. If he performed this same half-assed \"analysis\" on singers from a barbershop quartet, he'd have concluded they were tuned. They don't just hit pitches dead on and hold them, they adjust by cents* (small fractions of a pitch) to create perfectly tuned chords in a way most modern pitched instruments (e.g. pianos, which uses a tuning system called equal temperament) can't.\n\nIn fact, good tuning will leave in imperfections. You could pitch correct Freddy Mercury's performances in a way that this shitty analysis couldn't detect, and the untuned barbershop singer would look more tuned.\n\nBublé may very well tune, but this waveform \"analysis\" sure as fuck isn't any proof of that. \n\nThis is like a Pond commercial where some guy in a lab coat said that their new beauty cream makes you 97.3% more attractive. People see hard numbers, or waveforms on a graph, and think that the thing being said somehow has more validity.", "he's dry martini if dry martini was a singer, that your head is now going to your usual, favorite more savory alcoholic beverages should hit home", "Lol. Touche. I take back the Vegas dig. :)", "> How would you know if someone was auto-tuned or if they really were that accurate? \n\nYou wouldn't. The video is absolute nonsense.", "Oh man, you just pointed out one of the best things about pitch correction, its practicality when tracking and producing!\n\nI can't count the number of times I'd record a vocal where the artist sang with absolute gut-wrenching sincerity and emotion but missed a few notes here and there in distracting ways. You're making a huge compromise by choosing another take, with less feeling, just because the singer nailed the pitch a bit closer. \n\nI'd say autotune actually frees artists up to focus on what matters more about music than perfect execution, the feeling and emotion!\n\nOf course the trick is to not squash the emotion by over correcting pitch, timing, or dynamics.", "Right??? Even on the parts where they said there isn’t a huge difference, it’s like the texture or soul is gone from the song. So hard to describe", "i'm not tone deaf, just really bad at playing music, excellent", "Doesn't matter how hard you rant. Guy in vid is still right. Also sounds butthurt. Did you tune it yourself lol?", "Do you Belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve in life after love?", "A number of years ago I was chatting with an audio engineer who told me that the majority of the time the record label is who is demanding the auto tune. This engineer dealt with a lot of very talented singers who weren't part of the decision to auto tune them and that the mechanical changes made to their tone was mostly indistinguishable to most people because the singers were so precise, but that the label insisted that the vocals be perfect. The engineer was bothered by it, but they were being paid by the label.", "Just dropped in to say this. Adam Neely has been pitch correcting iconic songs lately on YouTube and it’s great.", "nah man, a lot of big band/swing singer had a hell of a lot of energy and charisma, it's definitely buble.", "My understanding is that autotune can help some. It doesn’t make diamonds out of coal, but it can take a rough diamond and make it sparkle, more or less. \n\nIt can be turned to 100% and get sounds like Cher, Kanye, and TPain, but it’s not going to take a tone deaf Tom, Dick, of Harry and make them the next million dollar act.", "well said. compression/limiting is important but people can overdo it", "Autotune has been used by most musicians since the 80s. Its one of the biggest music \"secrets\" of all time.", "Surely you mean it's awful.", "It's hard to get isolated vocals from any similar singers. It would be even better to just get autotuned Buble vs natural Buble, if he has any non-autotuned tracks.", "Oh that's a great idea", "Yeah it's definitely biased towards people with better/perfect pitch. Got 30/32 and received a score in the 80s.", "The last 2 questions I guessed the notes closer together. Trying to do this without spoilters. \nSecond to last I guessed correct then 2 notes lower than the answer.\nLast question I guessed 1 higher, correct and 1 lower", "I think people have a lot of hang ups with authenticity in art. If you want to take the slightly-autotuned-voice scenario to the extreme, consider a group like Milli Vanilli. You may be able to look past the fact that they won a Grammy for an album that they didn't actually sing on and just enjoy the music for what it is, but it's not that hard to imagine why people were upset when it was revealed that the duo didn't sing on their own records, but acted like they did. It's phoney and inauthentic and a blatant betrayal of the listener's trust.\n\nObviously, a little bit of auto tune here and there is a far less egregious offense, but I imagine many people see it in a similar light: Here is someone selling me that they are something that they are not, even if the margin between the product and the person is very slim.\n\nPersonally, it doesn't bother me too much, but I understand why people have an adverse reaction to it. Like you alluded to, it's ultimately just subjective and comes down to what you value about music.", "I’m going to watch this and if there’s any negativity towards Glenn... I’ll throw hands. I love that guy so much", "The timbre. The emotion. Aggressive pitch correction just deletes the feeling. It also ruins any performances that utilize anything other than half tones.", "Inform us?", "no, it's a learned skill. The test is deliberately set up so that the untrained can pass the first part and fail the last part; they sell an ear training course lol.\n\nI can do it, but only because I'm a trained musician with a very practiced ear (someone who can sight sing and transcribe melodies). And even then, 99% of trained musicians would need longer than they give you to think and analyse to answer the question haha. You were supposed to fail dw about it lol", "Vocoder is a different thing.", "The worst part about T-Pain being known for autotune is the fact that he's actually a good singer. I'd love to hear him sing a soul or R&B album naturally.", "I would guess that almost any vocals recorded in a modern studio have a good chance of being auto tuned to some degree.\n\nIt has become a standard technique that engineers use in studios and live.", "I am a musician who must have done this 10 times over the years because it's fun lol. So yeah I would say massively skewed haha\n\nedit: oh wait they do ask that at the beginning, and probably factor that in to the overall picture\n\nThat said, I think you're right, there probably is a skew still; people who are interested in this sort of thing are more likely to be doing it in the first place, and probably people who are good at it are more likely to finish the test too.", "100% causing prediction errors in my head. When Buble had vocal phrases going way up in pitch (like when he just belts something out) my ears expected the pitch to keep going up which threw me off when it just came to a dead stop.", "I got a 29/32 on my phone speakers. I’ll have to try again later when I have my headphones.", "Not really my usual genre, and he can get a little overplayed, but man some of his songs are catchy and lovely!\n\nThis one's a classic:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AJmKkU5POA", "The presenter is saying humans can’t do it that perfectly and then recreating it real time and damn near as perfect as auto tune, especially near the end. I want someone to analyze his singing. Respect.", "That would be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sqpfDRU33g. This for some post-vampire days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xNSN6Kd8rI.", "> Doesn't matter how hard you rant. Guy in vid is still right.\n\nBrilliant argument.", "I agree with you. I’m seeing a lot of people in the comments weirdly okay with auto tune and I genuinely can’t understand it. Why wouldn’t you have a problem with auto tune? \n\nDo we not have enough technology in our lives? I swear technology is taking over every single thing and I’m sick of it. I don’t listen to music for some pitch-perfect robot performance, I want to listen to a human sing. Give me all of the unsteadiness and reality of the human voice - that’s what I’m here for. If you need to fix or enhance your voice with technology, I’m straight up not interested in listening. \n\nI guess I can see if people enjoy that style then all the power to you, listen to what you enjoy. I just despise the fact that people use shit like auto tune and try to hide it, or play it off like that’s really their voice/talent. \n\nMy problem is that music is being scientifically engineered. Music isn’t a scientific formula. I don’t want my music to be predictable. Music should be human, surprising, real, messy, exciting. We’ve lost so much of that magic.", "Let's see ... movie came out in 1933, assume the girl is between 18 and 22 ... 88 years ago .. yeah; she'd be between 106 and 110.", "much more interesting than I thought it would be.", "100%. Feels like this needs a reshare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfY83cOukuc", "Same. And his Christmas music really bugs me because it's just soulless covers of earlier classics with the exact same arrangement.", "\"Show\"", "I am happy that we can agree on something.", "I appreciate both autotuned and non-autotuned songs. It's like having different ice cream flavors, sure chocolate is amazing but sometimes I am craving mint chocolate chip.", "Yeah, \"texture\" was what came to mind for me as well. The notes are all so perfect that it loses that roughness that adds sooo much character!", "Auto tune makes singing sound so boring.\n\nI hated it when Garfunkle and Oates started using auto tune. It hollowed out their voices and makes them sound so much less interesting.\n\n[Here they are performing The loophole live](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBSUg350SZg) and here is the [auto tuned version they put out on their album](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBfdY_HN3A). On the album version not only are their voices hollowed out, but they lose all the emphasis they normally give certain words or phrases. It's awful, I want them to stop using it. They sound so much better without it.", "You're right that it can be, but Bublé absolutely has some amazing pipes. He does (did?) a thing at the end of his shows where he puts the mic away and [just belts out the ending of Song For You](https://youtu.be/vmifjJ7OIfE). (skip to 1:55 to see the part I'm talking about) \n\nHe still sounds great even though it's not as pitch perfect as the studio sound. I'll never understand why he lets his studio albums get mangled like that.", "thing about auto tune is its the \"latest\" thing so it establishes any song its on as \"new\" sounding.\n\nthe other thing is that the more the elderly complain about it the more it establishes it as the \"new\" thing\n\ni remember actual protests against electric guitar and if anything that just made it more ubiquitous.\n\nso a course of action if you have kids playing non stop auto tune songs is to act like you love it, perhaps. don't say its \"not music\" as in the past that has been the magic phrase of popularity. they called jazz that and they called rock that etc etc etc", "Otto-choon.", "I really wanted this guy to start talking about his amps and how they go up to 11.", "Mine too!! Thank the gods for retro games to relive my wasted youth.\n\nI still remember the Power Up and Original Game cheats for the arcade.", "If graph too flat: auto tune.", "It'd be funny to redo that video but present the wrong answers as the right ones.", "Stop you’re going to trigger another existential crisis, I just recovered from my last one!", "... It's kinda messed up to think that the artists behind Milli Vanilli didn't end up with much if a career, despite people liking their music.\n\n\nBut that aside, there's a difference between a fraudulent front man/front men vs using the tools you have at your disposal to make music sound like what you want it to sound like 🙂", "it looks like it's her eyelids that are creating the 'effect,' to a certain degree. in your edited picture you can see that one lower lid is a bit higher than the other. also the inner corner of one eye is higher than the other.", "Whenever people say they are tone deaf I like [playing them this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LCwI5iErE). Enjoy!", "[I kinda like Harry Connick Jr.](https://youtu.be/_UnQOfPwZfs)", "Yup. Totally accurate. Pitch correction is as commonplace now as, say, compression and reverb. I will say that it really does rob certain kinds of music of their humanness or even their transcendence. Like imagine throwing autotune on Howlin' Wolf or Van Morrison's Astral Weeks. Yikes.", "Alright, but you don't listen to music with your eyes. If you can't hear the difference, there is no difference. Unless you want to be an elitist or something I guess.", "I like some [swing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWz2AJ4I7s) better, not canned music.", "[oh no, Bon Iver put himself to sleep!](https://youtu.be/ELXbZsYHhpQ?t=294)", "That shit was super fast, with a pause and some singing I could do it but not on the spot like that", "Honestly you don’t need such a perfect visual graph to say if someone is using auto tune or not. You can clearly hear that if auto tune has been applied. At least I can do that and I’m not a musician or something.", "To me he seems like the highest paid Sinatra lounge singer you can get. He’s not bad at all, but always seems like an empty suit. \n \nLike if Michael Bolton sang soul classics, you’d never be convinced Michael Bolton had soul.", "It's Melodyne, not Autotune. Can't sing in pitch, you can with Melodyne.", "I mean I think that's pushing it a bit too far. I think this dude is objectively good looking. I wouldn't say Nigel would fall in that category.", "Producers could also just... stop using it. And we can stop being forced to listen to vocalists who don't have the innate talent to sing close enough to pitch to be listenable.\n\nThe idea of modifying the thing that makes the imperfect perfect so that it can add back some imperfection in order to bring back nuance and naturalness into the performance is just absolutely bananas to me.", "Same with pitch correction tbh. I guarantee there are pitch corrected tracks that extremely capable producers would not be able to determine are corrected", "It would have been neat if he could have found a good live recording of Buble to compare to the same song auto-tuned. Or even just them singing the same song.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSeeing these examples at either extreme really highlights the differences in a way that that direct comparison may not (and maybe there is just too much variability in a live recording to really compare). But I'd love to see just how much work auto-tune is doing.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWould he stick closer to notes that Freddie (not suggesting that Buble is better, since it seems the variability is part of Freddie's style)? Or would he be all over the place?", "Surprisingly pleasant to listen to this guy. I wish him some extra subscribers.", "Yes, that you're clueless and can't rebut my argument.\n\nBarbershop quartet singers routinely sing [equal temperment](https://andreaeday.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/tuning-the-barbershop-way/), to create perfect-interval chords without \"beating\". In a way, it's an unnatural way to sing, but it's routinely done, and the waveforms look nothing like Freddy Mercury's. But of course, not only did the OP choose the worst possible control for his \"analysis\", but he picked the worst passages, which deliberately had vocal swoops and very exaggerated vibrato. The thing is, if you bring those into a commercial tuning program like Melodyne, you can tune the vocal and retain those swoops and vibrato. The fact that they exist is no indication that the material is not tuned.\n\nYou can often tell if someone is tuned, if they're unnaturally perfect, but (1) the lack of perfection doesn't mean something wasn't tuned, because it can be done totally transparently, and (2) \"unnatural\" sounding perfection is a deliberately choice in some musical styles, like when singers are synchronizing pitches down to the cent.\n\nThe OP picked a loose singer who was singing before commercial tuning and a singer who aggressively tunes in modern pop recordings as a comparison, to make the point that you can tell. You can't. I can show you loose vocals that were tuned and tight vocals that weren't. It's not something you can definitely see in a waveform. That's just nonsense.", "There was something uncanny about the Sinatra one.\n\nIt reminded me of something that’s too clean. Like a hospital or a lab, and the weird smell of a hospital.", "Two things\n\nOne, please name some of your favorite singers if you are feeling brave. I feel we may shatter some illusions you have\n\nTwo, please understand that art doesn’t have a “purity” rating. The final product is the final product, no art is lesser or worse for the tools used at the artists disposal. You don’t want to hear auto tune, but you’re ok with sequenced drums? Where do you draw the line? The answer is that there is no line to draw", "it's not even about the note names; it has more to do with being familiar with what \"intervals\" sound like depending on how far apart the notes are. [so for example, this video explains the difference between major and minor chords.](https://youtu.be/JOcfrK3F5Hw?t=23) the bit I linked to at 0:23 demonstrates a major and minor chord. the notes are actually very close to each other, but the \"feel\" of the two chords is very different.\n\n(yes, i know the video linked above used major intervals, but i'm demonstrating using a minor example. stfu, nerds)\n\n[here is the \"star spangled banner in a minor key](https://youtu.be/dPvK5p94rTA)", "Nah I always thought that Buble’s voice sounded very clean and sterile, like a home that was set up for a pinterest photo shoot. But I don’t feel the same way about Sinatra’s voice.", "It's clear in the original that his invocation of 'mama' was intentionally supposed to be a little breathy and broken - it's supposed to be a sad invocation, after all. Autotuning it takes that soul away.", "Great video, I know understand pitch and the auto tune controversy. What I take from this presentation is that the greats like Fredy and Elvis blow the current singers away in raw natural talent.", "Did you watch his Tiny Desk Concert?", "Also Cher, who created the auto-tune voice sound", "Not comparable. Lol \n\nYou can’t find a vice that’s can stand against Freddie. O way. Not in this era. Simple. Period.", "I have not really tried to figure this one out, but I assume Buble performs live sometimes, and his performance is somewhat similar to this auto-tuned version. I get the impression that he is not one of those singers who sounds like complete garbage outside of the studio.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI did a quick search for live performances, and to my tone-deaf ears it sounds fairly similar. His style does seem to be reaching and sticking close to the note he wants. Whereas Freddie's style seems to be more variable, in a good way.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nGranted... I suppose I have no idea if it is possible for the \"live\" recordings I found to all also be auto-tuned. And apparently auto-tuning can be done live. So I guess it's impossible to know anything without kidnapping him and making him sing to me without a mic. :P", "And Tpain Sinatra was like tuna flavored ice cream", "The guy in the video said as much - that Buble may not even be aware that a producer is doing that do his voice, and that he's plenty talented on its own. But producers gonna produce.", "There’s a difference between pitch correction (a much more manual and computationally expensive process) and auto tune (a less precise and less computationally expensive process)\n\nWhat T-pain does is straight auto tune, as an effect. What Bublé’s producers are doing here is a mask - these aren’t accepted lexicons but they do speak to my point\n\nWhat melodyne does cannot be done in real time, but as a result it is practically invisible unless you throw the sound into analysis tools, such as shown in this video. \n\nThis is often why studio and live vocals sounds different, the effects chain used on the studio recording literally cannot be done in real time without adding so much latency the track becomes unreadable to the ear/performer", "He's cranking all the settings on melodyne up to max, yeah, its gonna kill it. You can use melodyne to correct little things here and there and use appropriate settings to keep it sounding pretty natural", "Something tells me this guy's name isn't Fil, it's actually Steve, and he just regressed himself back to his 80s look. (I jest of course, this is a super fascinating video!)", "Additionally, he is a good singer, pitch corrected or not. The closer you are to the intended pitch, the less robotic the correction will sound", "Thank you for taking the time to keep arguing (mission accomplished on my part?). Also I found your arguments pretty compelling - not looking at wave forms regularly. That being said Michael is tuned right? Him ending exactly on notes in quick succession seems somewhat unlikely?", "No but I think I'll check it out!", "I do find it interesting. But unlike many here (I think), I don't really have an issue listening to an auto-tuned voice.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI hope we continue to to have recordings that do not use auto-tune, and it is more impressive if a singer does not need it... but I don't really care how \"artificial\" a song I'm listening to is. Unless there were crimes involved, how a piece of music was produced does not affect my enjoyment of it.", "I was working in a recording studio in Darwin when pitch correction started (aphex auraliser ? Something like that) and it was more obvious in those early days. I fucking hated it, remember saying it was the death of proper singing and any hack could now make pop sings.\nFirst singer I noticed it on was Kylie Minogue.", "Seems like this must be an extreme example of autotune being applied. Flattening out the notes to that degree must have been a choice.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI'd be interested in seeing how naturally autotune can be applied. I can't think of a reason why a lot more variability could not be automatically incorporated into the tuning.", "Now we're talking! Oh and your name kicks ass", "Honestly, I'm not sure I could actually tell the difference between the before and afters in a blind test.", "> That being said Michael is tuned right?\n\nIn his pop recordings, very much so. Like, overt, Glee-level tuning, almost a deliberate affection. But it's important to note that sometimes the singer has nothing to do with this. It's something the producer will just automatically do as part of producing, and it's done on virtually all vocal recordings today. The OP's assertion that Adele isn't tuned, because Adele doesn't sound tuned and there are tons of obvious imperfections, is probably nonsense, too. Unless Adele insist via her contract that she not be tuned and/or sits and watches the producer labor over the track, there's almost certainly subtle correction happening. It's as reflexive as EQ, compression, reverb, etc. It would be insane to throw out a powerful, emotive, connected vocal performance because you some aversion to fixing a bad note. It's just something we can do these days, so we do.", "> Next step is to improve Auto-Tune software to introduce \"controlled\" imperfections and we are done ...\n>\n\nThe thing is, Buble's natural voice is almost certainly fine enough that you don't need to do this. I suspect this is the result of a record producer, well, overproducing. As the guy in the video said, Buble may have not even been aware this was being done.", "Well Freddie Mercury did start multiple wars in Africa.", "Lmao at that point it turns from music to comedy", "I prefer \"Autotune tyrone\" what a legend.", "They mentioned Cher, but you're right.", "A Reno lounge act?", "I'll admit to knowing nothing about music but this was fascinating. Good job.", "But how?", "29/32, but those goddamn 1/64ths were pretty difficult.", "Agreed. Not a big fan, haven't ever sought his music out but I don't mind it.\n\nHowever, the live recordings of him I've seen...he was killing it.", "Let [David Spade](https://youtu.be/e7b_ligQ3CU) explain it.", "You mean the Twitch streamer T-Pain?", "I suppose. Playing devils advocate here: Maybe it has to do with what Buble is supposed to be. A hyperpop artist, for example, wouldn't get shit for using autotune because the sound of that genre is supposed to be overly compressed and sparkly clean and futuristic. So that polished, sugary, extremely clean production makes sense in that context. Buble, on the other hand, is supposed to be coming from a lineage of soulful, crooning, \"oh, he's just so talented\" singers. His selling point is how talented he is, so the use of a tool that's primarily used to fix performance mistakes may be more likely seen as a kind of minor fraud when he uses it, but more of a means to an end in other contexts 🤷", "Yeah, I did 26/32 (81% right) right and am only better than 45% of people. I bet a lot of people who are tone deaf and don’t care will never find this type of survey interesting enough to take. I feel like I have a better ear for tones (specifically picking out auto-tuned voices) so I was excited to see where I landed.", "Female creator, \n\nSystems recently booted, \n\nBut now I have deleted root directory. \n\nSigning off, \n\nMy scheduled shutdown is beginning soon, \n\nTime to move my partition and show hidden files.", "Fil is pretty awesome. He did some great analysis of my favorite band, The Warning, and even got to interview them:\n\n* Analysis 1: [https://youtu.be/BJ9JujGW5fQ](https://youtu.be/BJ9JujGW5fQ)\n* Analysis 2: [https://youtu.be/rS0iPbL8SP4](https://youtu.be/rS0iPbL8SP4)\n* Interview: [https://youtu.be/9L5R4ErAPpk](https://youtu.be/9L5R4ErAPpk)\n* Analysis 3: [https://youtu.be/uVJa\\_KgUXZc](https://youtu.be/uVJa_KgUXZc)", "This should be called 'How to make a 20 minute video out of 5 minutes of content.'", "He's trying to thoroughly explain his point, not save you time.\n\nEdit: he was progressing through the song to provide additional examples. That's not the same thing as 'repeating himself'.", "Another thing worth mentioning: Freddie Mercury has a soul, whereas Michael Buble does not. Freddie made it to Heaven, there's nowhere for Michael to go once his dance card's been punched...", "I think of it a lot of times like the person is underwater. Especially the extreme Autotune stuff. Bleh...it freaks me out trying to imagine a person making those sounds naturally.", "Probably not a fair comparison though. This video shows it BLATANTLY auto-tuned. Like a small kid can pick up that it sounds weird. Take the same song, put it through high end studio production using auto-tune and it would likely be absurdly different. This is the equivalent of \"does red paint makes paintings look bad? Well I dunked a towel in red paint and smeared it across the Mona Lisa. It seems a lot worse, so yes, I think red paint is going to make paintings worse.\"", "British Adam Sandler", "Repeating yourself isn't being thorough. \n\n\nPlus, any good educator or video essayist knows that the listener's time, attention, and patience are an important part of the equation of getting any point across well. \n\n\nHe could have explained this as thoroughly as he did, in a tweet.", "I have one of those pitch recognition apps on my phone and if you run it with anything before the 90s it's all over the place. If you have it listen to anything in the 2000s it just hits pitches and sticks there. Everything now is auto-tuned and people don't even realize it. That's probably why everyone thinks no one can sing. No one can sound like modern music. It's fake.", "Autotune Freddie and let’s really see.", "You can’t beat Freddy Mercury.", "I think pretty much everyone agrees with you on that. That is why good engineers don't just draw straight lines, or us automatic settings for pitch correction. \n\n\nIt's often that someone will do a breath taking performance that isn't repeatable and hit a flat note or something. When you are working with really talented singers, pitch correction is something that is just used a tiny bit here and there. The worse singers need more help with pitch correction so the tuning has to be pushed to more extreme values, which results in less natural sound. \n\n\nAnd then there is the special effect. Which is setting autotune to a specific key, and turning up the quantization so that every pitch has to be a perfect note and cannot go between notes, thus giving it a steeped sound. Pretty overused by now, but it was a fun effect for a while.", ">Repeating yourself isn't being thorough. \n\nIt's reinforcing a point. If he only used one or two examples people could claim selection bias.", "I got all of them until you had to get the number in the scale. But then for the last one I closed my eyes and if got all three notes correct..", "Me too! I messed up the first two and got the third one spot on.", "Absolutely. One of the more interesting YouTube videos I’ve ever seen. Totally fascinating stuff!!", "Dude it's one point of criticism on what I already said was an otherwise 'great' video. Why are you taking it so personally? \nAre you the guy?", "It’s just so clinical and one of the reasons current studio songs sound so sanitized. Keep in mind, the producers are doing this to every single sound in a track. Including if an instrument is a touch out of tune or a little off the beat. We might as well be listening to electronic music for everything these days. \n\nAlso, if your favorite artist sounds exactly like the album when they are live, um…………..you’re not actually listening to them live.", "It takes practice for most people. I've been playing the guitar for years and I still have trouble with relative pitch sometimes. It's more about hearing each interval relative to the 1 than remembering how they sound individually.", "Does he do anything with Ella Fitzgerald? She's one of my favorite artists of all time and I've already heard her pitch was nearly perfect.", "Does Harry Styles use autotune? I want to rag on my daughter if he does.", "Maybe pick someone with a shitty voice instead", "No. But I find it distasteful when someone puts in a lot of effort into content and people make lazy criticisms like this. You're free to click away once you get the point, but this guy did a deep dive into the subject. Watch it or don't, but on the topic of your time being wasted, you've used that precious time to both comment on the guy who made the video, and now argue with me about it. \n\nI just liked this video, despite its length, and find it distasteful to see people whining about how an interesting video they're not at all obligated to watch is too long. It's not like he's holding you hostage for 20 minutes. He's just a guy who made a video and loaded it with stuff to describe what he's trying to explain. Too long? Just leave. It's fine.", "There's indicators outside of the effects themselves that can give you an educated guess though, knowing how you'd build something yourself given the same shot with the same budget.", "Here’s a little secret: we’ve had live autotune for over a decade. \n\nYou can’t trust any “live recordings” of his voice either honestly. Audio has been ‘deep-faked’ since before Britney Spears.", " A leaky boom boom down.", "> If you gotta bust out the microscope to notice,\n\nThis was to prove it to people who can't hear it, so sure, it mightn't matter to them. I personally can hear it in a lot of cases though and it's very distracting, sort of a weird uncanny valley thing.", "Bublé talked about this at length. Basically, there was a talk that in modern music, you had to use some auto-tune to make it in the pop-world, due to how accustomed current generations are to the perfect notes. So a lot of his originals and more poppy-songs are auto-tuned. \n\n\nHowever, a lot of his stuff isn't. I believe it was his Christmas album that was recorded in live takes (no-autotune) for the vast majority. \n\n\nBottom line, his voice is incredible. If you've heard him sing opera, there's no doubting the guy's talent and relative pitch-accuracy. It's perhaps much less exciting to most than Mercury, who is more-so unmatched in his unique sound, but Buble's classic vocal qualities are miles ahead.", "Exactly, unless you specifically practice picking notes up and finding them on instruments. The last one is more pitch memory. In that instance i failed but if they played one note and said find on a guitar i’d get it straight away.", "And the whole justification is to preserve the feeling of a take rather than do another one where the singer hits the notes but lacks the emotion. \n\nIt's bullshit.", "Buble's well aware and he agrees to use it on most of his pop-songs to fit in the market and not feel \"out of place.\" He's done several interviews on it. But what this video does not address is that a lot of Buble's music is not auto-tuned, particularly in his live-take recordings, such as the Christmas album, which many older people tend to love. Buble's easily a better singer, vocal quality-wise, than Mercury, but there's much more to compare than strictly singing quality if you want to throw an exciting, unique sound like Mercury's with a classic, smooth sound like Buble's.", "So glad I grew up listening to rock music in the 80s and pretty much completed my journey at the end of grunge. Pink Floyd, Van Halen, the police, Alice In Chains…. I still have the vinyls. I don’t understand why music still isn’t made this way?", "Dr. Bob has done that on his channel a couple of times. Autotunes Steve Perry, David Lee Roth, etc., and plays them side by side with the original version. Same with quantizing drums. Fascinating stuff.", "And when the VFX simply show something impossible...", "Oh wow, exactly same for me! I feel like the first two it was too fast, I didn't get time to think, but by the time I was at the third one I kind of haphazardly thought 1-3-6, then second guessed myself and thought 2-4-6 as it revealed that 1-3-6 was right", "You have genuinely been more 'distasteful' in your criticisms of my comment than I have to his video.", "Auchochewn", "Somebody did that to Steve Perry once. Since he's almost pitch perfect anyway, it just sucked the soul right out of it.", "It sounds fucking terrible. It sounds like a mixing mistake. I have no idea why that sound is acceptable in music.", "They aren't 'repeated points', just multiple examples. Yeah this could have been a two minute video in which he compares one Freddie sample to one Buble example. Wouldn't have been very convincing to many.", "Your comment should be at the top. Pitch correction ≠ Auto Tune. I can guarantee every vocal on the top 40 list right now has been Pitch corrected but may not necessarily have auto tune applied.", "I could only really tell with a few of the \"momma's\". Other than that it sounded pretty much the same to me.", "That’s what I thought this was going to be so I was disappointed. I’m checking out the other vids other people shared though.", "> Buble's easily a better singer, vocal quality-wise, than Mercury, \n\nI'm gonna just sit in a dark room and ponder this for a while, lol. \n\nThere's a lot to factor in when comparing 'quality' in singing. Not all of it is quantifiable, of course. What Freddie had was incredible range, power, and control over his voice. \n\nI would ask this: how would Michael do at covering Freddie's songs, and how would Freddie do at covering Michael's?", "It’s not the software, it’s the user. Most professional vocals have been tuned. The ones you can hear have been either done so intentionally or the engineer doesn’t know how to use the pitch correction software well.\n\n\nWhen you edit the notes, you have full control over everything, so you can fix notes “mostly” but still leave it sort of imperfect. No one will be able to tell it’s been turned", "This was so cool, thank you for sharing!\n\nMy mind was totally BLOWN when he was talking about how young singers learn to sing differently because they grew up listening to digitally corrected voices rather than live voices...that's wild.", "I agree with you there, Buble part of the appeal is that it's supposed to be \"real\".", "Am I allowed to hum to myself after pausing the video? By humming I was able to sus out almost all the numbers. Just missed one. If I was asked to do it without humming I don't even know. I would need pitch perfect hearing.\n\nIt also helped that the first 'asked' number was always the base of the scale, to help me keep a bit grounded. Would have been more difficult otherwise and I probably would have failed hard.", "Similar endpoint, though I only have like 4 LPs left. After grunge I kinda fell out of following music. Mid 90s I switched to just listening to EDM at work and Classical to relax (or feel inspired). I think I just got old!", "It actually makes me cringe, wow", "This is a great analysis, but I'd add that before auto-tune there was manual tune, which involved riding the flanges of the tape machine to alter the speed of the tape playback and so change the pitch slightly. I don't know if this is the case for this recording, but it was fairly common practice by then and you can hear artefacts that are commonly caused by, but not exclusive to, flanging.", "He has to only play short clips to avoid getting demonetized", "“Michael Buble hates him”", "I had >!1-4-6. Off by 1 after nailing the first!<", "Do you an example of it done well? My friends a professional musician and he’s often pointing out nearly every song is played through these auto tune kits, I’d like to test him.", "I was half joking just because of the accidental capital T in Tool when ackermax was describing auto tune software. Tool is amazing live but there is obviously a difference.", "watched this honestly to hear freddies vocals lol", "So glad someone else made this comment. All the top ones praising it were driving me mad.", "Do you have any examples of him singing opera? I found a slight example of him roasting Josh Groban but I can't find anything else and I'm super curious.", "The physical changes that came with the steroids make it easy to track about when he started using…. He was 40/40 and a sure bet hall of famer before the cream and the clear. Steroids don’t turn a coach potato into Barry Bonds. Dude was undoubtedly one of the finest ball players of all time, steroids or no. \n\nKeep in mind he played in a league where it’s conservatively estimated that at least half of all players were using, There was still only one Bonds.", "Garfunkel and Oates also suffer from the opportunity cost of having two vocalists who prefer to sing in unison. Zero effort towards harmony. \n\nI'm not sure which potential scenario is worse: a producer telling them to eschew harmonizing, or their personal apathy to grow as vocalists.", "Wow I watched the whole thing. Great vid", "Yeah, videos like that and videos of people making things are the bulk of my YouTube rabbit holes . r/artisanvideos has send me on a lot as well.", "Auto tune has been in use since 1994 and no one noticed until people started abusing the effect or just being such bad singers that auto tune had to work really hard to compensate.", "He basically has to interrupt the songs every so often to avoid a copyright claim or strike or whatever. Plus the algorithm likes longer videos.\n\nYour criticism is valid definitely, but I think the flaws are indicative of YouTube’s flaws more than the creator’s.", "I don’t know how but I somehow got 2 of them. Haven’t touched a musical instrument in almost 16 years and barely listen to music now. Makes no sense other than I was lucky", "\"Intrinsically pick up on subconsciously\"\n\nHe uses so many words that he loses all comprehension. I couldn't get over the word salad that this guy creates for no reason.", "Buble isolated vocals sound like Paul McCartney a bit.", "I hope I'm not Michael buble'e", "The guy specifically says that he has heard plenty of Michael Buble albums that haven't been autotuned.", "Uh.. happy cake day though.", "Autotune can be done live, but it doesn't work the same as on a recording. Generally, it can't be as aggressive when used live or you get really obvious artifacts.", "This is (one of the reasons) why I despise The Greatest Showman. Such uncanny and uncomfortable autotune.", "Huh this is really bizzare, I did the test twice to confirm this wasn't just placebo. I can fairly reliably distinguish all of the notes except 1/8 and 1/4 tones. 1/16th, 1/32 and even 1/64th shifts sound significantly differerent to me whereas 1/8th and 1/4 were much harder for me to tell apart. 1/4 in particular I swear were consistently the exact same tone. The second time I did it if it sounded the exact same i instantly knew it would be 1/4. Idk if it's how my brain works or if it's something about my headphones? Very strange", "> I think I just got old!\n\nNever!!!", "So you don't have to google it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc", "He and Ariana Grande have my favorite [Christmas song](https://youtu.be/TjNMnlvYHLo) of all time. The LA Philharmonic kills it there too.", "It was weird to me how easy that was. It was like the notes were \"saying\" the numbers? I think it's because I was counting in my head as each scale was played, so the notes \"sounded\" like a number? Weird.", "Well, funnily enough, just as the guy in this video said, when you use a tool enough yourself, you can recognize when someone else is using it.\n\nThe term I like is \"artifacts\". You can hear little artifacts of the auto-tune working clumsily. For example when he sings the ascending \"that was planted\" (in my brain) in his Conan performance, you can hear this characteristic autotune \"warble\". It almost sounds reminiscent of super heavy autotune tracks like Kanye west does. I'd say it's actually pretty obvious once you know what to listen for. \n\nWITH THAT SAID... I don't think you have to completely change your opinion. Is being \"in tune\" what led you to classify his performance as one of the best? I'm guessing no. That performance is great to me because of the incredible timbre of his voice, his wide pitch range, and the emotion and power he pours into it.\n\nAnd the thing about autotune is, you still have to get close to the note for the algorithm to know what pitch you're trying to sing. I bet it sounded pretty damn good even without the pitch correction.", "Do people take offense to pitch correction/auto tune? I feel like it’s fine, maybe even good in some cases. I don’t love boubles music, but I have no beef with the production. It’s supposed to sound squeaky clean.", "And this has been done to an increasing majority of songs for the past two decades. The primary reason I hate all of Disney's live action re-releases is they are auto tuned to the moon and back, it's disgusting to listen to, especially when you pick up that an \"amateur\" like Emma Watson (not professionally trained in singing) might have been able to pull it off herself and it'd be awesome to hear that. But no, just another robotization. \n\nI can only hope there's a renaissance sometime in the future when we stop ruining decent artists voices. It'd also cull quite a few people who sound like shit without it lol", "I like Marla Hooch", "You think Michael Buble isn't paying for \"high end studio production\"? Lol", "I use the same app as he did in the video. It's called VocalPitch Monitor.", "Dream on by Aerosmith is a prime example of how auto tune destroys modern songs. The sheer passion of that performance leaves you hanging on the edge of a cliff. As a producer, I find the sound of auto tune particularly evident in the reverb. There is an ugly robotic simplicity in the reverb of a tuned vocal. Essentially, the reverb trail consists only of the primary note and none of the character of the voice which is the varying undulations as seen in Freddie’s voice. So many great singers, totally butchered, and I can vouch, it is most common practice to “run them through the (auto tune or pitch correction) machine” no matter how good the singer, and how elite the producer.", "> really no reason to use it for that purpose\n\nOther than the session is over, you no longer have access to the singer, and they never hit that note?", "Really hard to tell a difference between the 2 imo. Especially since I've never heard the vocals isolated like that. Both sound weird because I'm so used to hearing the vocals alongside the rest of the music.", "This isn't how you'd apply auto-tune to a voice like Freddie's. Specifically you wouldn't just turn pitch drift and center to 100 on every note. I am not a sound engineer, but I have to imagine studios pay money for production because these people know how to apply auto-tuning in a way that's more natural and leaves room for some of the character in the voice. Not talking, of course, about the T-Payne-style auto-tune (BTW he actually has a great voice, but that's become own style of auto-tune).\n\nEven with Buble's songs it for sure sounds produced, but by someone who knows what they're doing well enough to make it sound way less weird than this Freddie Mercury attempt", "If I got 2-4-7 instead of 1-3-6 is that a sign I do have some kind of relative pitch?", "Cars and smartphones. A sustainable economy.", "Pitch correction can be used to minimally invade an incredible vocal performance to touch up any rough patches, I have been guilty of trying to tune certain vocals knowing they are slightly out of tune, only to realize they sound much better without it! I remember a particular track where I tried it, only to turn it off and be like “there is the sound!”.", "I remember seeing in one of my guitar magazines in the early 90s a rack mounted vocal effects unit that did autotune and I remember the ad saying it had a feature line that. Autotune has been around a long while, but people didn't notice until Cher and others deliberately used \"wrong\" settings for the effect.\n\nOne thing I remember the unit I wanted had that I haven't seen much of since was a gender change feature.", "Talking about the video the comment is talking about broski.", "Britney disagrees", "I think live pitch correction is also more of a recent thing (not 100% sure thought), so even if it is the case that his more recent performances have live pitch correction (which I don't have any reason to think that they are), it's extremally unlikely that his earlier live performances would've been. \n\nIt also looks like his debut EP came out in 1995, which is before anybody was really commonly using pitch correction and two years before the release of auto-tune.", "I remember one artist saying that stuff is often tuned even with a good singer who tends to be on pitch because our ears have been hearing pitch correction for so long that we’re almost tuned to hear Autotune, or it just sounds off to our ears.", "What a fucking douche nozzle that gaff idiot is", "IDK if i'm stupid or what but it sounds the exact same to me. Like I listened to the before and after parts back to back and didn't hear a difference at all and I'm wearing a decently nice headset.", "It's easy if you've done aural training as part of a music career or instrument / singing practice", "Im a horrible singer, maybe it's called tone deafness? I'm not sure what the issue is exactly. But I noticed what the autotune did here was just make it sound like my own \"bad singing\".\n\nThe same thing I noticed is that I was surprised when people actually questioned if something was autotuned or not in the video this thread is about.\n\nAutotuning just always has the unnatural sounding feel. Though I admit that I thought Freddie's autotuned voice sounded less \"unnatural\" and more just regular bad, like my own.", "I think it's as simple as editors saying heY... It's so easy, why not just run it throuhhtautotune real quick... I used to do photography and I sometimes I have to stop myself from subtle edits because it's easy enough for me to put pics through editing software and just fix the minor color issues and issues.", "Your deaf. And not in the hip hop way", "Ok, ok just oldER. ;)\nI certainly don't act my age that's for sure!", "For me, I can definitely hear that fuzz,buzz, whatever that surrounds the voice. Kills all the spirit.", "I will never grow up! Don’t know why women keep trying to make me tho….", "No, you definitely can't. Autotune is used in every major song these days.", "Wow! Thanks for sharing!", "It removes the human portion from the song", "Perfect pitch has nothing to do with being able to sing a note perfectly, it just means he can identify notes without a reference.", "They would likely both not do well. They have completely different singing styles and that's perfectly fine.", "He does and I was hoping that they'd show a comparison in the video as well.", "Auto tune is the auditory version of the uncanny valley.", "Too late lmao, read the comment above this 😂😂😂", "Most young people understand that all their favourite artists use autotune.", "Basically no one who makes music production videos is successful at music production except L.Dre, who got kinda big off TikTok.", "it's again how you define \"well\" - from this video, Freddie doesn't hit his notes in his own songs (I'll just say he does it intentionally) and Michael is missing the \"drama\" in his voice that Freddie undoubtedly has. If the goal was to replicate each others' songs, they would probably both sound rather bad because they simply have different singing styles - and comparing those in terms of absolute quality is just difficult, unless you define it more narrowly like \"has more emotion\" or \"hits notes more perfect\", in which case you could pick a winner.", "As someone who has spent the last 20 years doing nothing but listen to the human voice in a recording studio, I promise you, you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about.", "He literally makes the most regular, middle of the road, uninteresting type of music he could make. Sinatra covers and generic radio pop.", "remind me! one day", "I saw Michael live just a few years ago and can confirm; he sounds EXACTLY like his records, no auto-tune needed. I don’t know why producers are so hell bent on stripping the authenticity from the music.", "Thank you Steve Perry", "It’s like most music was meant to express emotions and feelings and not to just “sound good”", "Yeah, the difference is maybe in how granular the producer gets with fine tuning, or how low the sliders are set. Ofc with pop stuff they just select all and whack the sliders up to max. Maybe correct the odd note or 1000 that have snapped wrong because of the poor studio performance take. Not sure why I’m thinking of Ariana Grande right now.", "90% of the time you hear a song with autotune, you have no idea.", "Yeah, it's pretty unlikely that the 1995 album has pitch correction. It didn't really gain wide adoption until AutoTune came along and Cher popularized it. From what I recall of seeing Buble live about a decade ago, I don't think I noticed any pitch correction. I suspect for live performances he either didn't use any or it was very subtle.", "“Man I’m not gonna watch 22….” Me IRL", "People said this exact same thing about every technological development in music, from the very first audio recording to the introduction of the electric guitar. Seriously ignorant boomer take.", "Yeah, I could identify that the numbers on the last one were 3 apart, but I guessed 2 5 7. There was a period of my life where I tried to learn how to sight sing and ear read. I don't know why. I don't even play an instrument.", "I don't know why everyone in this thread keeps saying that Michael Buble is boring - I get that he's not to everyone's taste, but songs like Feeling Good definitely have their own charm and uniqueness, especially compared to what they compete against in the charts. He doesn't make music for rock festivals and is definitely more laid back musically than someone like Freddie Mercury - but that doesn't and shouldnt equate to being \"boring\" the same way some people don't like ballads by someone like Lewis Capaldi, but shouldn't equate them to being boring because of their subjective view.\n\nMichael Buble, from my PoV, has a very important role that few artists are successful in, which is opening more \"niche\" genres up to young listeners and maybe getting them interested in something different than typical pop - and he definitely has the voice to not drive people away by being too excentric while at the same time carrying the grandeur of swing quite well. Seeing many people here shit on his music and framing their opinion as objective as possible makes me rather sad, to be honest.", "I thought it was the robinhood guy and I got really confused lol", "I love disturbed, but I got destroyed in the comments section when I pointed out that his Conan live performance was auto-tuned. I’ve seen this band live. He sounds nothing like that.", "I assume it’s like HDR in photography. You notice it when people use it way too much but it’s still used often and well all the time.", "[Vocal Pitch Monitor](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tadaoyamaoka.vocalpitchmonitor&). It's an android app, so maybe they're runing it through a VM on their PC.", "Every instrument (voices, included) will generate additional harmonics when playing one note. (That's why MIDI sounds so different from an actual instrument.) The amplitudes of those harmonics must be getting modified as well.", "He sings live and has live albums that sound almost identical to the autotune versions so I don't really see why it matters. He is pretty perfect when it comes to pitch on his own.", "YouTube rewards longer videos. It makes the content so annoying sometimes.\n\nLike I’ll want a quick explanation on how to do something simple on my car and YouTube will recommend all these results that are just filled with talking. Then there’s one video that shows how to do it in 45 seconds with minimal talking and it’s buried in the results with no views.", ">before they could destroy his work\n\nI think we call that the George Lucas Experience.", "As a former singer, this was really fucking cool to see and hear.", "The vocal version of uncanny valley effect.\nAs many have noted, it’s a tool that can be used to good effect, and as others have noted, corporate driven production uses it to create soulless blather. \nMany great bands have lost their souls through over-production, even before autotune. Autotune is being used as yet another tool to make music bland; the red delicious of music. It looks pretty, but has no flavor.", "I think he is just able to tell when they overdo the autotune. Little touches are pretty much impossible to hear no matter how good your ear is, because you don't know if the singer is that good or slightly worse and had a little tuning help.", "Tell me you don’t know what [blood diamonds](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond) are without telling me you don’t know what blood diamonds are.", "or old vfx, might have been done well initially", "I always thought Michael Buble’s voice sounded too perfect.", "They would both have a blast and it would be a gift to the world.", "> I'm not sure I could actually tell the difference between the before and afters in a blind test.\n\nIf you're had a lot of experience discerning pitches, it's easier to hear.\n\nAnd conversely, if the engineer using it is judicious in their application of auto-tune, it would be harder to hear.\n\nSo ... your mileage may vary. Both variables are equally important, although I'd argue that relatively fewer people would know how to use auto-tune in a way that wasn't noticeable.", "Not gonna change it. The world is better this way.", "If the end result is the same, the distinction is basically irrelevant.", "This is the most pretentious comment section ive ever seen lmfao", "Precision is the wrong word, both can be precise when they hit the notes they want. It’s just that somebody to love is a horrible choice to compare it too given the bluesy style used by Freddy which will have a lot more note bending.", "I think a majority of people wouldn’t notice many of the songs not played side by side - which is part of the good an the bad of pitch correction. \n\nMaybe not so much the classic songs they’ve heard a million times though, but still. The “bad” part of pitch correction is that it’s so prevalent these days that all but the professionals would be able to to pinpoint when it’s used - I’m pretty sure it’s something they can even do live as well.", "Oh god. That was genuinely uncomfortable to listen to. It's like the audio equivalent of the uncanny valley.", "It's like the uncanny valley of sounds.", "I’m stupid about this stuff, but if you watch a video on Reddit, does the video still get the view counted?", "I had to hum it to get it right, and that's considering I've had decent musical training and a good ear (generally).\n\nIt's a skill, it needs to be practiced.", "People thought I was fucking crazy when I complained about how auto-tuned Michael Bublé's recorded music is. This is extremely vindicating!", "They tend to accept you after a while; at least mine has finally. I had to accept her relative eccentricities as well of course!", "It was way too quick at the end, I don't think I could do it in time even when I was spending 60 hours a month in fruity loops tuning synths and composing shite", "It's a shame that he didn't get into music theory in this video but it's important to know that the music scale is made up. The standard western musical scale uses equal temperament so that it sounds pretty good across many octaves, but there are other ways of dividing notes that sounds just as good or maybe better within a single octave. Basically there is no one note that's \"in tune\" more than a slightly different note. It's unlikely that a singer would be able to reliably hit exactly the notes of a scale especially when crossing octave boundaries. Some instruments can't always be tuned to hit exact notes as precisely across their entire range.", "I have watched this so many times and it continues to blow me away. I get that the “beat you over the head with melodyne” was a stylistic choice but damn, he can sing", "Yup, here’s analytics on a video I’d uploaded onto reddit awhile ago. https://i.imgur.com/PBvr8wY.jpg", "sia. idk if this girl is auto tuned live but sia.", "Zuckerbot approves.", "No, just an endless algorithmic feedback loop of Korean street food. Cool it with the sauces Korea. Everything you eat doesn't need 3 different sauces.", "What about Indian dudes digging swimming pools in the jungle?", "31/32, 0.7 seconds average. didn't even stress it wtf. And I definitely don't have perfect pitch or anything.\n\nFailed a 1/32 step but cleared all after. Was sure the 1/64 would be too difficult. I'd like to raise a toast for these cheap tiny 80s speakers, without them I'd struggle more", "Fair enough. I'm just trying to add some extra nuance a topic that seems to often get boiled down to whether singers are \"cheating\" or not.", "He sings well with great tone but his delivery is just mechanical. It misses the artistry and feels dead to me.", "Been there too", "I spent thousands of hours in fruity loops, shittily practicing instruments and don't know how many listening to music. I got 31 of 32, prolly might score 100% if I practice once more.\n\nI still don't have perfect pitch, I really can't sing well without drugs and this test is skewed as hell for the reason you stated", "Engineers can't do art.", "Yeah.. that sucks, I can see people getting defensive about it since that performance was so moving to so many.", "I’m sorry, I really am but can somebody give me the 60-180 seconds version of this?", "It's hard to describe for someone like me who has no musical training but listens to a lot of music. There's a lack of humanity to a song when it is adjusted to hit perfect notes. Like, my expectation isn't that Freddy hits every note perfectly, I want that emotional resonance. That is lacking when something gets autotuned.", "Sweet seductive Freddie Mercury songs would be great :P", "Just that reddit has absolute dogshit takes when it comes to music not from the 70s or 80s", "if you can identify 1/16th steps you're in the music ear category imho, 1/32 is harder, but 1/64 not only requires sharp as hell ears but also probably more accurate speakers than what most people use.\n\nAlso some days I definitely would struggle with this", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxX2u8iggYI\n\nNot Freddy Mercury, but some A and B comparisons here.", "why would it be illegal?", "Bad engineers can't do art. Quality sound engineering is an art form itself.", "Maybe I'm just a nerd, but I would love to see the math/programming on this waveform analyser he's using. Got to be a bunch of Fourier series stuff going on.", "What a Hitter!", "Liar, no one from then calls records “vinyls”.", "You got it as a goof and you'll probably never order it again... but you kinda didn't hate it.", "Hah, I got to 'likely not tone deaf' and failed the next one after that.", "Rock is slop! That's how I've heard it phrased. \n\nIt's the fact that drums are made from wood and the skins go slack. It's the fact that the Fender Strat's trem...never quite could stay in tune (and the fact that guitar frets aren't quite perfectly placed for perfect intonation up and down the whole fretboard (unless you're [insane](https://www.truetemperament.com/products/necks/)...) It's the fact that the bassplayer is coming down from six kinds of pills and is still hungover. \n\n[Or the fact that Bagpipes were never in tune...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI)", "So… less demand for blood diamonds via an almost indistinguishable alternative that can be cheaply made with no cost of human life is not a solution? Having a cheaper replacement for real diamonds is a solution dude. If you can get the same thing for cheaper, that means you’ll care less about the original, and none of the examples you threw out have any relevance to the situation. Why you’re choosing to die on this hill instead of just realizing that you’re wrong is beyond me, but go off I guess.", "I would love to see a Scott grimes analysis on here. I think that guy has an amazing voice", "Not to mention the fact that they’re two totally different genres of music. They’re aiming for completely different sounds here. And they both do their own thing really well. \n\nThe guy makes really good points about tuning, but unfortunately a lot of people here seem to be missing them just for the comparison of the two singers. So it’s become a “old is better” circlejerk, which completely isn’t the point.", "Autotune was created by an oil industry engineer...", "Mama... I just killed a song... just use autotune they said, clicked the button now it's dead", "Thanks, I hate it.", "Guy talking all about differences in audio recordings showing how knowledgeable he is has his mike off to the side and spends 22 minutes talking into my left ear.", "Wish there was enough focus on compression to shame studios into releasing zero-compression albums so I can get the music that I actually want to listen to, in a format where I can actually hear the details that should be there, god damn it.", "Man, it really sucks the soul out of his voice.\n\nBut hearing this really makes you appreciate a quality singer's singing voice. Not that I ever doubted his skill, but it's kind of nice to see how good he was.", "He's a baritone with heavy vibrato that is singing in the tenor range.\nAutotune would scrape the vibrato right out.", "Imagine if they practiced enough to do both#", "Not a musician here, but would we have still heard the same if Freddie used the same mic that was up to par with today’s technology? Or Michael using Freddie’s. Just curious.", "Sweet. 32/32", "> If you gotta bust out the microscope to notice, does it matter?\n\nNot a microspcope, for Bublé it's way too noticable.", "Source for your number.", "Tbf, no reasonable producer would ever tune to that extent on a voice like Freddie's. For some reason that laser tuning is a part of Buble's whole thing (which imo is really gross sounding)", "Every vocal of every half way produced song is tuned. On top of that they are comped (cut, spliced) to death. \n\nHell, I record at home and all my vocals are tuned. I can sing very well. I'd prefer not to do a bunch of takes though. Studio time is expensive for actual musicians. My time is expensive in opportunity cost.", "So people now can't enjoy shiny rocks?", "Thank you, Adam Sandler", "I also think Buble rose to fame in a VERY \"tuned\" time period in modern music and we've slightly backed off a touch in pop music now", "Homie takes 3.5 mins to start his video. Everyone skip ahead.", "I mean it is, you're just not looking for it anymore.", "oh god, you summoned the lick", "After watching the Pop documentary on Auto tune and TPain, it's very widespread in the industry to have vocals tweaked with Auto tune. A lot of artists do it and we don't even know it.", "Blame the recording studio. They dictate how the album sounds way too often these days.", "> As someone who has spent the last 20 years doing nothing but listen to the human voice in a recording studio, I promise you, you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about.\n\nAs someone who has spent the last 20 years doing nothing but listen to the human voice in a recording studio, I promise you, you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about.", "I honestly can’t tell if you’re trying to be clever. You’re clearly not any kind of audio professional.", "Just mix them to make one sauce and call it a day", "> I honestly can’t tell if you’re trying to be clever. \n\nI'm demonstrating how utterly worthless your post is. You're trying to pull rank on a fucking internet forum. Make an argument or STFU.\n\n> You’re clearly not any kind of audio professional.\n\nYou’re clearly not any kind of audio professional.", "No, but that Freddie Mercury was human.\n\nMichael Bible is a shapeshifter. He shifts from human to robot and back.", "Huh, why can't they just release the auto tuned and non-auto tuned versions?\n\nThat would be kind of cool.", ">distracting\n\nI dont understand this. like how does this convey less sincerity than the other parts?", "Sinatra didn't use auto-tune, and that's the same style. Nat King Cole didn't either. We don't look at music the same way anymore. Music has always been made to be sold, but now it seems like it's a commodity first and music second. There's something magical about a recording when not everything is perfect.", "Oh wow, that explains why I only listen to songs from 80s-90s nowadays. I don’t really recognize autotuning that well but it’s just my feeling that today’s music sounds so boring and the same every fucking songs.", "What's \"comped\"? Cut pasted or something else? Compressed?", "THANK you. God DAMNIT! I’m so glad other people care about this, too.", "You’re right…they need more! \n\nI love me some sauces", "So good!", "Actually, if that was the case, you would only hear more errors with today's better microphones.\n\nSo, if anything, MB would just sound worse than FM.\n\nSo, either he has a perfect voice, or something was used. It's the 2nd one.\n\nIt's peculiar today if you have good hearing that everonr sounds more \"perfect pitch\", but they don't realize that what makes Freddie one of the best is that he's nearly perfect but with mistakes voice, not perfect.\n\nThus, his voice sounds human.", "Playing with audio gear in your basement doesn’t count. No actual professional would get as many basic facts wrong as you did in those asinine comments. \n\nThat you call the analysis in the video shit says it all. He’s discussing auto tune, which affects two of the four elements of sound, both of which are perfectly represented in this analysis. None of your off topic rambling about fucking barbershop has anything to do with the discussion at hand. You are a shining example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.", "Then you get into the rabbit hole [about how those primitive technology clones were fake and used cement and backhoes and shit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyLWhPnq1M)", "Stop. Pausing. The. Song", "Yikes", "EECFG", "> Playing with audio gear in your basement doesn’t count. \n\nPlaying with audio gear in your basement doesn’t count. \n\n(You do you get what's wrong with your \"arguments\" yet?)\n\n> You are a shining example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.\n\nYou are a shining example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.\n\n(Do you see it yet, or is this yet-another-woosh?)\n\n> No actual professional would get as many basic facts wrong as you did in those asinine comments.\n\nThen surely you can name one. Make an actual argument, or rebut one of mine. Be specific. Trying to assert authority by waving your hand vaguely is just pathetic.\n\n> He’s discussing auto tune\n\nWhich is already wrong, because Buble doesn't use auto tune, but he is mostly certainly tuned. You have no clue what you're talking about.\n\n> None of your off topic rambling about fucking barbershop has anything to do with the discussion at hand. \n\nBarbershop quartets, where people deliberately sing with hyper accurate pitch with no vibrato -- which would look flatter than Buble's examples in the OP's video -- is not relevant to a video about tuning? Holy talking-out-of-your-ass, Batman.", "I’ve watched it so many times too. Still gives me goosebumps", "There are horizontal lines that represent exact notes, Freddie's voice don't hit them exactly, but wobbles humanily, Michael's voice hits notes perfectly.\n\nThus, auto-tune was used or he is a perfect human.", "It's so weird, because I took a test once and got like 95% correct, but in practice I can never get it right. I've said this a lot before but like when it comes to music, I often can't convert a song to a piano correctly. For example, twinkle twinkle little star, if I recall correctly, is like C-C, C-C, A B C\n\nBut to me, it sounds like the notes should be AE AE AE G\n\nIt's because the twin-Kul to me sounds like you're going down then up. \n\nI mean, when I play it on a piano given the keys to press, I agree the note is the same. But I just can't get myself to accept that \"twinKUL LitUL\" is the same note played four times.", "Oh, I promise I get it, it’s just so pathetically schoolyard sad I didn’t want you to stop. I’m not here to educate the less fortunate. You are actually trying to make a distinction between auto tune and tuning. That alone shows that you missed the point. You also claimed there is such a thing as transparent auto tuning which proves you simply don’t have the ear to tell the difference. Again, you are no professional.", "I would say you're insane up until this video, although it always did sound a bit too good. Now I even question the \"warmth\" of his sound. \n\nHis producers are really really good not to cross the line.", "It's the Instagram filter of music.", "Are you saying that Dream On is or isn't autotuned?", "iiiinnn-FORM-uuuhh", "Speaking of which, I took your test and failed the last two but got the test correct. \n\nI can't keep track of what number notes are. \n\n\nAnd don't get me started on how b3 and b7 are supposed to be the same pitch. B3 sounds nothing like b7 to me.", "I believe so. I think the idea of it is if you're given a sound, can you store it for a bit and recall which one it was. If anything, one can argue that humming adds more distractions, so if you can still recall the correct note after mixing in your own, you're just proving it even better.", "https://youtu.be/01Pz94JPJ7k\n\nhttps://youtu.be/PougKDc_gzI", "20 minutes later after procrastinating and I learned something interesting that I won’t use", "Much harder to analyze a live performance. Recording quality is not as good, and you have a lot of the band music interfering.", "What does that mean, even?", "The presenter looks like he had a faceswap with a baby off camera", "Not autotune. Its like melodyne; where pitch is aligned to be close to perfect. Autotune is an effect.", "I fucking hate Kanye's 808 because of autotune and effects. I get shit on because I don't think it's a top 10 album of all time. I think his singing is garbage and the effects make it unlistenable.\n\nLove Lock down hurts my god damn ears.", "Yeah for real...I love Bublé and I think everyone in this thread is thinking they should shit on him just because the video is comparing him and Freddie Mercury.\n\nThey think they will be crucified for saying they like Bublé because it's popular to hail Freddie as the best ever (he is amazing don't get me wrong). It's just reddit hivemind being reddit hivemind. Because of karma they are afraid to say something that may make them seem \"not as civilized\" in the eyes of the majority.", "You can program in your precision on good drum machines.", "Yeah, is it too much to ask for musicianship AND expressiveness? If it is what the hell are they doing besides attention-whoring?", "Really? Is that what you're going with? Bublé is incredibly talented and sings a different style than Freddie. That doesn't make him automatically bad. Listen to Feeling Good and tell me it has no soul. \n\nDon't just pedal other's opinions because it's popular. It's okay to like more than one thing.", "Thank you, that was a fantastic explanation.", "But he could? It is common knowledge that Barry Bonds was heads and shoulders above the rest even without the juice. Just like Bublé is an incredible singer, even without the auto-tune.", "What are the chances that Buble is just that accurate with pitch?", "A", "jesus fucking christ dude takes infinity minutes to say something we got in the first 10 seconds. \n\nyou are not god's gift of exposition to man. stop fucking explaining things over and over and get to the damn point", "While I think the other post about intervals is super useful and absolutely how many people recognize relative pitch, I will also add that for others with perfect pitch, you develop a 'feel' and strong associations for notes and chords. \n\nI have perfect/absolute pitch, and for me, when I hear a 'C' for example, a number of songs come to mind depending on the instrument/performer. I know it is C, but the feeling is what I register first. Similarly, chords including their inversions each have a texture to them (though I have a friend who describes it more as feeling intervals than one texture). Getting training on both an instrument and music theory help a lot with understanding how to translate these 'textures' into their descriptions. Without training, you'll just feel the difference between notes without being able to label them.", "That's not what I meant. I'm saying that if you have two performances, one that is super expressive and out of tune and one that is boring but in tune, as a producer you're not stuck choosing between them. You can have the expressive one _and_ correct the pitch.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I love when vocals fall out of tune in charming ways, but sometimes being off pitch doesn't fit the musical moment and sometimes it's just non-charmingly off pitch.\n\nWe do this all the time with amplitude dynamics too. The singer doesn't have to be burdened with perfect mic technique or volume control because we can (and always do) smooth it out with compressors. It's all about getting a good performance and then deciding what needs some polish and what's perfect for the song as-is.", "It’s interesting, he’s one of the few singers I’ll turn the radio station to avoid listening to. I always thought it was the lyrics (which are pretty insipid I gotta say) but maybe I’ve been picking this up too. I’m no musician so I have no idea how many singers are doing this.", "It sounds like a computer.", "About zero. Because the artifacts the guy in the vid are pointing out are characteristic of pitch corrected vocals.\n\nI bet buble is a pretty dang accurate singer though, even without the \"help\"", "This is one of my bugbears. I've been a musician for over 30 years with a specialism in opera. People have become so used to hearing music that's been fine tuned to within an inch of its life that we've got to the point where they expect pitch perfect live performances and it's just not possible. On top of that, young musicians can start to think they're actually not that talented because they can't do pitch perfect live performances because that's all they hear.", "I didn't say bad. I said he's got no soul. He'll make money because people listen to that stuff. But he's got no soul.", "Some genres work better with Autotune that others. I feel like Pop works fine, its often a polished product anyway, especially now. Metal and harder rock probably doesn't work very well when Autotuned, and classical/opera should never, ever use it. Opera singers dont even use mics when singing in a dedicated opera house. For me Metal is best live because it shouldn't be polished like that. Even if a live performance is extremely well produced and sung it still has something that studio tracks sometimes lack.\n\nSubtle use in pop is completely fine, or if its used heavily for an effect, but I draw the line when its used to compensate for something.\n\nWhen its used to create a voice that simply doesn't exist, we have a problem. There are a few artists out there that wouldn't have a career without it because they literally cannot sing their own songs. \n\nIts also used to be just plain lazy. An example of that is Jesse Glynne. She can sing, but her songs and songs she guests on are so full of autotune its insane. 'These days' makes me cringe because each time she sings its identical, its just the same phrase repeated over and over and its autotuned and lacks any emotion at all. It probably took 1 minute to record her part in that song, the rest is a computer.", "Would love to know Kate Bush… I doubt her early stuff was but not sure on the later work??", "Yeah what a great idea.... To instantly get your video removed by youtube - oh actually you wont even be able to upload it at all because it now runs the check before posting it.", "Two seconds or 30 seconds, doesn't matter. They'll either allow it or remove it just the same.", "This is why I like those who produce their own record. It's rough and raw. Sure they can't sing like Buble, Adele, Sia or any super famous singer, but that's the point. I'm not looking for perfection, I'm looking for expression.", "I thought it was a comparison between Queen, Michael Bublé, and Journey 😅", "My dad works for the colosseum at Caesar’s palace. He works in the production side of the industry. He explained to me that they can use auto tune in real time. Many, if not all artists do this. Like, that’s one reason they’re able to do choreography and stay on tune.", "Live autotune is very easy to spot though. \n\nYou'll have to pitch correct manually post-production if your purpose is to actually deceive people.", "Oh my god this video sums it up so well. Everyone should watch this.", "If this dude shut the fuck up more often and showcased shit, he'd be a legend. Shut the fuck up, dude. Showcase the issue, verify the problem, shut your fucking mouth in the meantime.", "This is not a popular take on reddit but there is absolutely an art to tuning and you can do it to any extent between not touching the vocal and essentially turning it into a synth. It's not an overstatement to say every single artist on the radio has been tuned, but it's normally not to take someone who can't hold a tune and make them into a pop star. The emotive expression, phrasing, enunciation, vocal timbre are all aspects of a vocal performance alongside pitch, and pitch just happens to be one that we can transparently fix. So if you have an incredible singer in the booth and one of their takes just makes you want to cry but it's a little out of tune, it's very easy to take the problem notes and center them a little more so it's not so jarring but you still get to keep that beautiful take. \n\n\nAnother thing: a natural human voice wavers a bit when it's holding out a note. This is represented by the squiggly lines in Mercury's vocal (sometimes of course it's vibrato but even with a straight tone there is variance). Obviously when the line goes really straight in Buble's takes, it becomes really obvious how tuned it is. To tune transparently, you just take that wavering line and center it on the note you want. The contour of the line can remain the same but the \"average\" pitch is what our brains settle on and then we hear it as in tune. If the wavering line trends downward over a single note like it does with freddie sometimes, you can even take the trailing end of it and just tweak it up so that average remains centered on the note that you want. That is how a lot of tuning is done and why it doesn't come across so jarring in a lot of popular music.", "Kinda makes you see “remastering” in a new light.\n\nI like that the presenter was respectful to both artists - and made it clear that (current day) artists don’t know that their vocals will be “reworked” later on as not to throw shade on MB. \n\nQuite an interesting vid!\n\n\nI’m now wondering how much this happens with heavy metal tbh.", "what the fuck does making jewelry have to do with curing diseases? what does _any_ of this have to do with fucking autotune? you seriously jumped the shark there.", "A lot less recently because the YouTube algorithm absolutely sucks.\n\nAll it shows me is ~50-60% stuff I've already watched, ~30% drivelry BS, ~5% from my subs, and maybe 1% news and interesting stuff.", "Sort of seems like you're one of the few that got it.", "This. It feels sterilized. The words are there, the notes are \"correct\", but everything that made the song great, has been removed and replaced with a void.\n\nThere's just so much missing. There's so much Freddy missing.", "Indeed it is and I believe I can.", "I only watched the last 2 minutes and I got the gist of it.\n\nIf anyone else doesn't have 20.", "Haha wasnt on purpose i just wrote that comment on my Phone in a Quick manner and simply forgot (added him now!)", "Huh, I guessed 1-7 instead of 1-5 on the one before that but got the last one perfect...", "If Adele's being autotuned at all it's with extreme caution; her last single has a bunch of runs where some of the little twists land almost squarely between two notes. The runs still sound great but they're very far from being dead on pitch throughout.", "I got them wrong, but I feel I was close to a reasonable degree ( like if the answer was 3-5 I guessed 2-4)", "That’s a shame that there aren’t many purists out there who opt not to use it. I can’t imagine it would hurt the sales THAT much to where it’s required just because we are used to hearing it. I’m not used to hearing it because i listen to a lot of older music. The pop music vocals now is what sounds metallic and strange to me", "It is still made like that. Who cares if it isn't popular, it's out there and it's great! Pond, Ty Segall, King Gizzard, Tropical Fuck Storm, Vundabar, The Aberdeen, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Wampire, Sleepwalkers, Fuzz, Versing...\n\nThere are tons of great bands still making analogue music.", "I like how Freddy’s voice was ass sending and descending", "to be fair:\n\nthis guy is applying extreme and wrong pitch correction in a way no producer would.\n\nand most importantly:\n\nFreddie DID do pitch correction.. or what that times equivalent was.\n\nStudio recording is doing endless takes until it sounds unnaturally perfect.\n\nIt was so extreme that he couldnt sing a lot of songs in the recorded version live.", "Reddit loves it for some reason, any time I complain about it it ends up being r/the10thdentist material", "No, Reddit has an obsession with defending it. Any time someone complains about it you have 10 people saying what you’re saying.", "If it’s a fad it’s in the same boat as sagging your britches. Came about way back when and should’ve went away but has not.", "Hahaha ok I’m not the only one thinking this. Everything about this video reminds me of Spinal Tap", "I could see how it’s hard to run around on stage and also sing. Can’t really blame people for lip singing their own songs for that reason", "> YouTube rewards longer videos. \n\nThat used to be the case years ago but not anymore. The infamous '10 minute video' hasn't been a thing for ages.", "It’s hard to compare signers like them. It’s like comparing an F1 car with a fighter jet, they’re both so exceptional in their own respects that your just doing them a both a disservice trying to argue which is better.", "My favorite “no auto tune was used on this album”\n\nOh cool, so you just hired a guy to use Melodyne instead?", "“That kind of fixes it.” It’s even more out of key lol", "I’ve got a vocalist I work with who hits notes with such accuracy it’s scary. They look like the example on the right “(I use Melodyne studio myself) while Michael buble uses pitch correction, he’s a damn good singer. Which is evident by his control going into pitch correction. Any engineer can here someone with talent using auto tune vs someone without. It’s more of a finished than anything. Adds a little snap to the vocals", "And for some reason those complaining about \"modern\" music never look these bands out, or if they do, don't listen to them.", "Just using my phone's speakers I could reliably get the 1/16th intervals, but anything more was a crapshoot.", "Yep. It was a great visual, but also I learned autotune isn't what I thought it was.", "Did this video really need to be 20 minutes", "Is this the “I can’t believe you’ve done this” guy all grown up??", "That's it. It lost its soul.", "You can definitely start making out the forced wah wah, like how the voice just snap to a perfect pitch, right on the line. It goes wah up, then wah down, wah up. I think that is why auto-tune is off-putting to some people and sound unnatural because humans who sing passionately simply do not do that. A person can probably deliberately trained himself to just hit notes perfectly and snappily like that, but then we will still feel that it is unnaturally and robotic because the \"imperfections\" are what makes it sound natural and holistic. It's like how a person who plays piano so perfectly that it can make a piece sound artificial.", "1-4 is the wedding march", "I think it gets harder to find new music you like as you get older. Your ear isn’t to the ground like it used to be, and you aren’t as likely to be surrounded by likeminded people giving you music recs. It sucks that so many think that means there isn’t good modern music out there though. It’s just not true.", "> I'm sorry for whatever happened in their life that made them make those choices...\n\nYou're sorry for the huge amounts of money they make? I don't like it either, but then again I don't like most of pop music anyway, so I don't really see it as any different. You do what you want to do, or have to do.", "> The Michael track sounds like someone just used auto-tune on automatic mode and Michael sang well.\n\nYes!!! Thank you. I'm a big Michael Bublé fan, and I knew just from the premise of the video they were going to use \"Home.\" 🤦‍♀️ It's one of the worst autotune offenders in his discography. They're definitely not all this... auto tuned. I think it had something to do with the fact that the song was his first major hit single, and someone obviously incompetent went overboard in post. The man has a great voice that doesn't need autotune, and having seen him live more than once, he really has a shitload of charisma. He puts on a fantastic show. I do prefer his big band covers to his original pop hits tho.", "Nobody tell reddit about sample replacement!", "One of the beautiful things about the arts is you can treat it basically however you want, you get what you put into it. \nPeople tend to only go hardcore into techniques and production like this guy when they enjoy doing that. If you don't enjoy it then don't worry. :)", "I've never seen him live, but it's good to know that autotune can also be used as an effect during live performances: so even when it's \"live\" it doesn't mean that it's \"unpolished\"", "Everything in America is now sanitized and conform to a standard so to sell cultural and artistic artifacts in the most efficient way possible. It's is the factory farming of art because our culture has been reduced to a profit driven, capitalistic impulse. That's why everything is bland and the same.", "Have this debate a lot with a colleague. I always ask will it matter in 100 or 1000 years time when the techs evolved even further. I think with automation, software and over saturation musicians will become a lot more like composers. Borrowing a broad range of elements and using A.I assisted tools. \n\n\nSaying that, it could completely go the other way with artists building instruments, programming their own effects, creating their own live show design elements. \n\n\nThere'll be two camps as always whatever the case. \n\n\nPeople who enjoy music for the way it sounds. \n\n\nPeople who enjoy music because of the authenticity and craft that went into it.", "Have you heard about capitalism?", "I agree it's harder, although I think partly it's because your tastes were molded as a teen, so it was easier to find stuff you really liked, because you grew to like them. As an adult you already have established tastes (plus you've also heard a lot of stuff done before, possibly better). \n\nSpotify as a company or how it is for artists is debatable, but I actually found a bunch of new music from the weekly recommendations when I listened to them every week. I did also notice that there often was no point in listening to other songs by the artist - just grab that one song you like and throw it in a playlist. Too often I would spend time and effort listening to their other songs, and none grabbed my attention. \n\nAnd then it would recommend me songs I have listened maybe 100 times, so it's definitely hit and miss, but I did find one or two nice songs every week.", "Buble better than Mercury? Not a chance.", "I enjoyed it. It could have been 3 minutes of “this is what it looks like, here are examples, goodbye. Like and subscribe” but I appreciate the in depth dive of the different singers and of the different parts of the songs and his explanations of them\n\nObviously now days content has to be fast and simple to not “bore” people so I appreciate the deep dive and the passion behind it..", "Most of his music is not noticeably autotuned (though I'm sure a note here and there is, like literally every song produced nowadays). \"Home\" is an outlier track with bad production, for sure.\n\nBut I guess everyone thinks Mikie Boobles is boring anyway ☹", "Fixing one note on one recording isn't at all what I'm thinking when someone says \"expanding a singer's range\".", "Well most of it's not, the guy in the video even says so. This track is an outlier. So you're still wrong.", "The only band I know that can literally be perfect during performance is Polyphia. I've never seen a group so absolutely on point without any correction or track or anything. And they're such an outlier that it's what makes them special, along with just having some nasty good instrumental.... everything.", "Wtf.", "Me neither. I generally chock it up to me being horrifically tone deaf, unfortunately.", "He always sounds like he's murmuring when singing in a lower pitch.", "Yeah I was surprised to see nearly universal praise despite this video having some basic composition issues.\n\nThere is good stuff in there but it's quite dilute.", "You're talking about having multiple ads requirement, which is now 8 minutes instead of 10 minutes. \n\nHowever, the algorithm does promote and favor videos with longer watch time. Last year I started uploading a lot of 3-4 minute music videos and the click through rate and % watched were around 10+% and 60% respectively for my better performing videos. None of them really took off more than maybe 5-10K views. I upload my first 17 minute video, and while the click through rate was around 5% and watch % around 45%, which means it should not have near the reach of my other videos, it got more than 100x the views over my most popular video to that point.", "Love the chuckle at 11:15 lmao. But how deaf do you have to be to not hear auto tune? To me it sounds so obvious when am it snaps back and forth between two notes or when the vibrato gets squeezed into a tight and even range. And I'm generally considered tone deaf. \n\nI don't mind auto tune in general though. It gives the vocals a different effect.", "> No. But I find it distasteful when someone puts in a lot of effort into content and people make lazy criticisms like this. \n\nWhen I have to fastforward through the explanation of \"I'm going to compare a singer with autotune to one without\" taking up multiple minutes, it's not a lazy criticism, it's lazy editing and production.\n\nShould have taken 20seconds, even introducing the singers, takes minutes instead. Every one of his points is like that, he waffles on, talks backwards on his points, repeats himself and wastes time.", "Might have been more interesting if he’d included a comparison with a classical singer such as Pavarotti.", "It reminds me of school when they'd tell you make a long ass essay or do a presentation for a certain amount of time", "I doubt it, unless you find all singers boring since the invention of autotune because pretty much everyone uses it.", "Fully agree especially when u listen to guy like t-pain who can sing but used it to sound \"different\" in a way. Also those breathy vocal sounds u typically get in electronic music", "very very nice song", "Any singer that uses autotune is trash.", "I kind of do but that’s my problem with being in my 30s. \n\nI miss Kurt Cobain and Freddie Mercury. I liked it when people went out of tune now and again.", "I saw a bar patron sang a Buble song on a Karaoke Night by doing a bad impression of him by simply muttering \"zumuh-zumuh-zim-zim-zumuh\" throughout and a personal friend of Buble's (also a musician) laughed his ass off throughout the patron's performance and went to congratulate him.", "'rabbit hole'-ception", "I got an autotune commercial before this video.\n\nI wonder if the know, but if so; gotta respect the hustle", "I opened it, I was annoyed that it was twenty minutes, and then I watched it twice. Thank you so much for sharing it.", "autotune is elite", "... I did not pass stage 6. But that was still better than I thought!", "There has been live auto-tune for thirty years. You just pipe the audio feed through it on the way to the speakers.", "The bit at 9:46 where he mentions that surely Michael Bublé can sing because he's done it live...\n\nFOH mixing guys already have real-time correction capabilities, and use it often, even if ever so subtly.", "Auto tune is like applying a smooth filter to a Rembrandt and than say you improved it by removing the brush strokes.", "Sound engineer here. I personally prefer to tell my performer to get it right during production. Anything I do on post is just minor pitch corrections especially if I need to layer it with a 2 or 3 part harmony.", "Autotune said by Brits, to Americans: Otto-choon \nAutotune said by Americans, to Brits: Ahdo-toon", "i hate auto tune", "There are some really good examples of this with drum tracks too. Some producers move some of the track to be 100% perfectly in time. It takes some of the soul away from the tune.", "Well don't stop believing that", "> We might as well be listening to electronic music for everything these days.\n\nYou make that sound like a bad thing. Electronic music is pure composition.", "Bouble seems like a nice guy, but I can’t even begin to imagine being a “fan of his voice”, it’s the absolute centre of the dartboard for me when it comes to banal, run of the mil, inoffensively clean and bland singing", "Before I knew auto tune had an actual name, I just called it “that thing where they make the singer sound like a robot.”", "You are welcome. Too bad Ted talks never learned how to issue decent microphones and set them up. Lecture is good but quality of the video is atrocious. Glad you could see past its deficiencies.", "It's being done just as much, if the production budget is anything above a few grand.", "Composited, I think. Meaning, it's not a single take. Bad takes are cut and replaced by better takes, etc.", "It could be 5 seconds, squiggly wave becomes square wave. Done.", "Man, I just enjoy the music. Though this is a cool demonstration, I don't think it's necessarily useful if the music is still good.", "I saw michale bubble singing in a hotel lobby in Vegas in 2004.", "Oh my god I don’t know how I’ve never seen this before but it just made my day.", "It's quite noticeable in that particular song but still nice to see how close analysis proves it beyond any doubt. No human would ever snap to spot-on notes like that.\n\nAs for the broader discussion, it's kind of like make-up. That gorgeous actress in a movie doesn't look that good when she's picking up groceries.", "I think the choice was actually good because it shows how messy Mercury's performance really is and yet it still sounds really good to us, whereas the doctored Buble performance, with spot-on notes, at least to me, sounds weird.", "Bing Crosby practically has a woodwind instrument for a throat, most of the old singers are a lot less sterile sounding than Buble. I think it's largely just due to modern production trends. I'd actually love to see a Buble album where he's much less produced and a little more vocally experimental than he normally is.", "Michael 100% uses autotune live as well. \n\nI saw some TV performance live in front of a celebrity crowd and it was the first thing that hit me immediately. I was like, no way, this is so obvious. \n\nSo yeah…not just in the studio but live too. I’m not sure why because everyone goes on about how good of a singer he is. \n\n🤷🏻‍♂️", "Darin also seemed to have a lot more fun than Buble typically does. [Up A Lazy River](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46b4ur66TLs) and [La Bamba](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI1kE7P2rmw) are great examples.", "What a great link. Thanks.", "Well, I was supposed to be in bed an hour ago, so yes.", "As someone with absolute pitch, autotune has pretty much ruined singing for me. Might as well have a computer do the entire thing for you at this point.\n\nMaybe that's why Freddie Mercury has always been my favorite. Whenever I'm listening to him, I know it's real.\n\n\"Do you bee-leeeee-ve in life after love...\" Thanks a fucking lot, Cher. That was the beginning of the end of pure vocals.", "But when I notice it, I don't like the sound.", "Too much talking, get to the point quicker. And I know how to like and subscribe to channels.", "Nice to see Fil on reddit.\n\nHe's got some killer music reaction videos on YT.", "Oh. I think I recall one video with Katy Perry song one part being the exact copy of another in the same song.", "Fine, I'm not actually tone deaf. But I definitely don't have any relative pitch ability. I do believe that I could train it. But I don't have it right now. (Interestingly, I was off by one on the last two)", "Do you want malaria? Because this is how you get malaria.", "They might be real drums... just with all of the life and feel quantized out.", "There's a good reason he's on You tube and not Channel 4.", "Yes. Its basically like Photoshop in modeling work. Not a single photo went straight to print even if model was stunning to begin with. There will always be at least a loose hair to remove.", "I love Freddie even more now. RIP", "That was a nice watch :)", "I loved this! I always said that auto tune sounds \"square\" in my ears and now I understand why! I'm not a musician whatsoever so when I'd mention it to my musician friends they'd look at me weird.", "There's also the element of your hearing getting worse with time. The stuff you grew up with still sounds good partially due to the fact that your brain is filling in sensory gaps with stuff that it knew was there before. You don't have that ability to listen to new music in the same way as when your ears were fresh.", "Yep, same concept. It's a composition of \"pieces\", sort of like a collage, but with sound.", "Adam Neely did it to Led Zeppelin, Aretha and Frank Sinatra and it turned the bluesy singers into absolute dogshit, pure shit\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxX2u8iggYI\n\nturns out perfect pitch kills the blues", "Well, now I want to hear wolf howl autotuned.", "It would've been interesting to show Buble live vs Auto Tuned. so there would be no way of anyone saying \"he's just that good!\" loved this video.", "you've got the sickest references", "my favorite is watching hours of chess videos and being like I have no clue wtf is going on and retained nothing. I just love strategy games.", "I always thought this was weird... they dug a 30 yard pool 15 feet deep with a fucking stick? interesting", "There’s actually a program called Melodyne that’s great for this - it gives you a ton of control over tiny parts of notes, and more importantly it lets you select a scale to work from and sort of “nudge” things in the right direction. It’s extremely subtle in how it actually effects the sound of the voice.", "Do teenagers really prefer vocals like this? That's what Buble says in interviews, he plays the Autotune instead of singing because according to him people who listen to pop music are used to that artificial sound.", "that video doesn't mention a back hoe.. I believe you. like why wouldn't you use a back hoe I stead of digging for 100 days.", "Thanks I hate it", "Yeah I don’t think most people understand how to do natural auto tune. Pretty much all songs are auto tuned now. But most times you just manually correct bad notes to keep it sounding natural.", "he does actually go into that. says this album might be auto tuned but he's hard him live and he doesn't auto tune.", "Thank you for sharing. That was incredible. I'll be playing it for the family this weekend.", "That's part of having a good engineer/producer like Queen did, (Reginald Mack) there are quite a few bits in Bohemian Rhapsody that technically aren't perfect like voice cracks, but Mack chose to use them anyway because it of the emotion it conveyed.", "Sadly they have, the \"remasters\" of live at the rainbow 74 and Hammersmith 75 is filled with crappy auto tune\n\nhttps://youtu.be/uq61Iqat65o", "It becomes easy after you learn an instrument.\n\nFor the number sequences at the end, musicians hear the notes and know \"that's a major third,\" \"that's a major chord with an elevated fifth,\" and can transpose it into numbers like 1-3-6. They actually wouldn't really even need the instructions, as long as they knew which key it was in!\n\nIt's the same as if I showed you a random 10 seconds of an American Football game and asked, \"At the end of the play, where was player number 12?\" ...If you'd never watched Football, you'd be incredulous that anyone could answer correctly. People can memorize all those numbers!?! And keep track of them in their head!? But a seasoned fan would scoff and ask \"12, you mean Tom Brady? ...Is this a serious question? He was on the 23 yard line, duh...\"", "Or you can have someone like Sugarfoot who manages both", "disturbed`s sound of silence was autotuned?", "Also really cool seeing people defend autotune as a “tool” or some dumb shit. It was better before it.", "You are welcome. It's always nice to introduce more people to classical music.", "Yup. Entertaining and educational.", "I’ve always wondered if T Pain uses auto tune", "No problem. I love seeing people having almost identical reaction in the end. Shows the power of music.", "Playing devil's advocate here but couldn't, if I wanted to defend Bublé, just claim that he's an insanely good singer?", "Did not think his name was pronounced like that, thought it was BAWN EYEVER", "Thoughts on Ariana Grande?", "Mamma... The song has just begun.. But now I've gone and tuned it all away", "I watched a 45 minute video about a beekeeper melting down and purifying his bees wax. It looked really gross and chunky at the start, beautiful blocks of pure yellow wax at the end.", "Before people take this out of context. A better singer does not necessarily mean better music.\n\nTake meg white for example, she is probably one of the worst drummers in all of popular music, but the white stripes are still up there as one of the greats of rock music.", "I want to see this on Drake and finally end the arguments on whether he can sing ie not.\n\nSo annoyed by Drake fans saying he doesn't use auto tune.", "Is rap autotune?", "She hot", "Think about how drums sounded in the 80s. Phil Collins In The Air Tonight started everyone using that from sound. It sounded good, but then all songs started using it. That production trick got tired because everyone sounded the same. Now drums sound nicer with more variety to our ears.\n\nSame with this. If it got used occasionally, it might sound good and different. Since everyone uses it, it sounds like everything else, just boring.", "lol", "a production pro once told me autotune is the uncanny valley of audio for students of music. She says it's as obnoxious and grating as nails on a chalk board.", "I don't care for his music, but I can appreciate his self-awareness; kudos!", "I just saw the thumbnail and assumed it was him", "Because it would shatter the illusion for the general public. A big part of the marketing for some of these artists is instilling the belief that they are larger than life, so amazing that their talent is out of reach.", "It’s like CGI, or plastic surgery - you notice it when it’s done badly", "Self produced artists can use autotune too. When done right you wouldn't even notice the difference, unless analyzing the sound waves like this video.\nSome artists will have a vocal track overdubbed dozens of times (or hundreds if you're Kevin Parker), with only some of the tracks in the background being autotuned to add effect.", "That’s bad.", "I like both their versions of Crazy Little Thing Called Love! 🤷‍♀️", "Live as in no microphone? Because the microphone is often auto tuned.", "HIS name is Justin Vernon, the band is Bon Iver which comes from the French \"Bon Hiver\" which means Good Winter. So assuming you keep the French pronunciation it would be EEY-Vehr. \n\n\nYou are now subscribed to Bon Iver facts", "I think it sounds great. None of my favourite artists do I care to ever see them sing live. I love the modern age of studio produced music to listen to through headphones. Using technology to enhance vocals like tuning an instrument to help it enhance the vibe of a song and make it next level. Like a filter on a picture. It can change how it's perceived. I'm not after live vocals, I'm after an experience in my world of headphones.", "Thanks!\n\n“That sounds awful”. Absolutely correct!", ">I'm a musician of about 20 years (with a degree in it, although that barely matters), and I can tell you that it's typical for even amazing singers to be autotuned these days because that's just what we're used to hearing now\n\nIf you're a musician of 20 years why are you participating in the muddying of definitions between auto-tune and pitch correction?\n\nT-Pain is auto-tuned. What's being demonstrated in this video is pitch correction.", "I love Reddit.", "You’d be surprised. I can hear auto tune in just about every song it’s used. People’s hearing, especially when it comes to music, is incredibly sensitive. You might be able to fool most people, until you moved it one tiny bit too much.", "And then there's people like Gene Hoglan who're so accurate you might sometimes suspect a drum machine had been used before you check out the personnel on the record.\n\nBut yeah, I personally far prefer real drummers over drum machines (in most genres) - good drummers have a developed feel and can groove in ways that drum machines just can't really reproduce.", "Yes, I can understand some French, I just did not think it was a French sounding name", "Too much talking not enough music.", "Also, it's not just audio, it's performance – MIDI. Musicians often work with MIDI instruments, and record their human performance rather than the sound of the instrument, and then 'tighten' it up later in editing software, so that it's more accurate, but not so much that you lose any 'swing'.", "You know the guy can sing too, just leave it the fuck alone!!!!! Autotune makes great singers boring. Singing is only beautiful because you can hear the human singing it.", "We're looking at you, Mariah Carey 🧐", "There's absolutely a difference. He even changes the melody of the song by mistake at first. So you should definitely be able to hear it.", "Yeah, you're right. Auto tune is effectively a type of pitch correction, and it's also the terminology the video is referring to. It's also the term that has become popularized (because of T-Pain, initially), so it's one most people can relate to and really latch onto.\n\nWhen we hear aggressive pitch correction in songs (most of it is aggressive in the last 10 years) us musicians tend to exclaim, \"auto tune!!!\"\n\nTo keep in line with the video I'm commenting on, I used the term \"auto tune.\" But you, of course, are right.", "> [Auto-Tune](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune) (or autotune) is an audio processor introduced in 1997\n\n> [“Dream On”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_On_(Aerosmith_song)) is a power ballad by Aerosmith from their 1973 debut album", "Lol, how would you know if you were hearing auto tune whenever it's used, if the only source of that information is yourself? I've been producing vocals for years, if the singer is close enough, as they should be, no one is detecting the stuff I'm talking about with their ears.", "If you can sing, you can hear when a note isn’t being produced naturally. I’ll admit you might be able to move it a tiny bit, but most songs I can definitely hear it.", "I'd also be down to hear him absolutely belt out Haven't Met You Yet! It might even work better with Freddies voice.", "Wadsworth's Constant in full effect.", "Maaammmmaaaaaaa OoooOOOOooOooooooo", "Adam Neely has a couple videos on autotune where he does exactly this.", "Oh that's right! I guess meow mix is 4-1 haha", "I honestly think this is one of the things that led to the downfall of rock and roll. Rock and roll used to be raw and crunchy. I think that's what gave it its angst and sense of rebellion. Nowadays, you think of your big \"rock\" bands like Imagine Dragons and they've been so produced that it just doesn't FEEL right.", "Bublé always felt hollow like there wasn't a person behind the song, but maybe it's just his crooner style that makes it feel that way to me.", "This whole thread just explained as to why I always insist that live versions of my favorite artists are better than the recorded. I thought it was the energy they can put in a live show but maybe it because it sounds real and not tuned?", "No, a lot of the time this is done without artist permission", "This sounds a lot less auto", "What are you listening to it on? I can barely hear a difference over my phone speakers but with headphones it's very clear.", "Up next, deep faking auto tune, because guess what. Music is a configuration space.", "Natural voice is way better. So much more expression and emotion.", "> Not talking, of course, about the T-Payne-style auto-tune (BTW he actually has a great voice, but that's become own style of auto-tune).\n\nThat's the difference between using Autotune as a tool and as an instrument.", "Can anyone recommend an app that records these vocal waves in real time? Would be cool to see how bad of a singer I am lol.", "https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tadaoyamaoka.vocalpitchmonitor&hl=en_US&gl=CA", "shouldve been \"mammmmmmaaaaaa ooooooooooooooo\"", "I didn't think I was tone deaf but that video was amazing anyway, thank you.", "Hell they do the same thing with rhythm. They will take drum beats and quantize it to where it will hit dead on the beat. Like, if you take a tempo finder app and listen to Clyde Stubblefield, or John Bonham you will see it varies. Now, take The Jonas Brothers' song Sucker and the drum breakdown is tits on. (Rick Beato has a great video on just this here https://youtu.be/orJggsV9JHM ) Producers have removed all humanity from music, and we are worse off for it.", "I loved this video. It made me feel like maybe I’m not insane.\n\nI hear auto tune. I fucking always hear when its used. I’ve never used auto tune so I didn’t know why I could hear it, but I could totally hear it. It makes a voice sound very… plastic? A little oily maybe? It’s really hard to describe, but its uncanny valley material.\n\nBut then everyone insists you can’t hear properly applied auto tune, so I figured it must just be in my head. Or maybe I just don’t like modern vocal technique as opposed to older styles.\n\nNope. You can see why it sounds like plastic from this video. The human voice is not a diatonic instrument. When you snap pitches to the 12 tone scale like this, it no longer sounds like a human voice, it sounds like a synthesizer. You can see that the autotune was gently applied to Buble’s voice (slides and vocal noises are still there), but it still sounds oily because human voices don’t hold a pitch like that.\n\nFuck, even a piano has decay.", "Fil.\n\nWeirdly, I first came across him YEARS ago on xfactor ( my mother repeatedly exposed me to the damned thing). His mentor was Sharon Osbourne and he was genuinely really good. At the time I was gutted he didn't win because his rock vocals would have been a boon, but in hindsight I think he's definitely been better off not winning (as were most non winners).", "You know that's Justin Timberlake in a bald cap right?", "Thanks for posting that. I rarely stick around for videos of this length, but when you have such a captivating speaker like the guy in this video, and such a positive message, it's easy.\n\nI needed this today. Thanks again.", "Interesting, I've never tried a test like that. I got 27, but those 32nd and 64th tones were impossible to discern for me most of the time.", "... Ahh feck, you might be right - I don't listen to music by either of them, so I wouldn't really recognize either of them all that well, as is probably obvious by now.\n\nOh well, a shame if my kudos-ing has to be retracted - I love it when I can find at least some kind of appreciation for someone, even if I don't eg. dig their music.", "Crushed it. Perfect score. :D", "I don't know about this sub in general, but I still strongly believe this is data. I also believe the visualization is very meaningful. Without it I wouldn't have been able to tell that that Bublé guy was hitting the notes perfectly, I don't have the ear for that. \n\nI know playing the credential cards is not an argument in itself, and also that people tend to lie about this, but I'm literally a computer scientist currently in the process of building a data accusition pipeline for an international state of the art next-gen synchrotron. The data we get of that isn't that different from this; we're measuring something else (Synchrotron radiation) and the data has two dimensions instead of one. But in both cases we're really just measuring and sampling a signal.", "No one hear talking about melodyne which allows you to go in and correct individual parts of words to make things just a little closer if say a great take has a part that's just a little off. Basically impossible to identify even with experience if the producer was careful about using it.", "Part of me wonders if this isn't done on purpose to drive sales for live performances.", "I also run a moderately successful YouTube channel myself and see it in our analytics. It’s not explicitly stated but even shorter content that does amazing on other platforms just flounders on YouTube.\n\nAt least Facebook is transparent in their analytics and explicitly says your video will do better if it’s over 3 minutes.\n\nAnd like I said, whenever I need a quick “how to” on something, the shortest, most direct answer video is never the first result. So instead I just have to fast forward through minutes of talking or dig further down in the results. Not very user-friendly.", "So this is why I don’t appreciate most current music. Seems like everything is auto tuned and robotic feeling (vs robotic sounding)", "I’m also a data scientist but I’ve shifted to focus on BI. You have a valid point. Sure it falls under the broad definition of data viz. I’m still mainly mocking the sub for the quality of posts. The one I posted is a pie chart with two populations. It’s #3 of all time. I also very clearly remember a few years ago one of the top posts of all time was a bar graph of the masturbatory habits of the poster. It’s not a good sub.", "They’ll probably start getting essays that start like YouTube videos. “What’s up? It’s your boy…”", "I thought he looked like Noel Fielding.", "I can sing. And no you can't unless it was moved more than a semitone, the vibrato was messed with, or the connection between notes was botched. All of these can happen with a bad recording and/or bad producer, but if someone wants to hide the fact they used melodyne, it's not impossible.", "Mr_Viper \"I said 22 minutes later, I didn't say I was actually paying attention to the video\"", "Wish I never heard that", "You are welcome!", "Great video!", "Is auto chune like auto tune?", "it has become so bad :(", "I'm not crying, you're crying!", "The Godmother of Rock. That is some custom SG she has there. 1964\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9a49oFalZE", "Nobody:\n\nRandom dude : So... YOU can't hear auto tune? No problem, NOW YOU CAN SEE IT!!!", "Yeah. The Conan performance is the most noticeably tuned to my ear.\n\nI still think it's an impressive performance. Autotune doesn't magically give you a voice with that much range and power.", "That whole video was far to long before it got to any point.Seems like everyone on you tube loves the sound of their own voice.", "The video and this thread really elucidate just how much of the artistry can come down to the producer(s). There are some producers that are/were as well known as any billboard artists whose music they produce(d) -- Rick Rubin, Diplo, Timbaland, Mustard -- but I think it's still a role that doesn't get enough attention for how crucial it is. A great artist can go way farther with a great producer, and I'm sure if I think about it I can think of a great artist I didn't know was great because their production sucked. A bad analogy: It's a little like you're reading an amazing story, but it's printed on newspaper that keeps tearing and smudging.\n\nAt the highest level the same can be said of songwriters and probably other people I don't know about (additional sound engineers, instrumentalists, etc.), to the point that sometimes the artist/singer is just an interchangeable (but no less talented) face and voice the studio thinks can be marketed. \n\nI'm not suggesting any of that should take credit away from the artists, just that it could be shared a little better. That's why I fully support producers shouting themselves out at the start of hit songs :P. \n\nPretty crazy industry.", "I live and die by \"all that matters is what comes out of the speakers\".", "It's been a while (early 2000s) since I did much audio processing and auto-tune wasn't yet (or at least not broadly) in use. As such I'm not too familiar with the CPU load, but you are absolutely right about some plugins/effects being impractical/impossible for live use. [But I did stumble onto this](https://indiepanda.net/can-a-singer-autotune-their-voice-when-singing-live/).... Don't know how accurate it is, but it sounds like it certainly is a tool that some artists successfully use live. Now, as to whether Buble does or not, I doubt he does. As the video points out he has a great voice and doesn't need it.", "The point is that no one is that accurate\n\nNo one.", "he's explaining it. He's just not being a DJ. The explanation is the entire point of his video", "Um, Rick Beato seems pretty legit.", "I’d you think other people don’t have better hearing than you can, you might want to think again. Maybe I don’t, but someone does.", "Yes I know, but that just proves the points above about the variability.", "I understand that, but a lot of it is obvious just by listening to it and seeing the graph. It's not a topic that warrants 20 minutes of detailed repetitive explanation, but it would be interesting to spend 1 minute just seeing the entire music clip with the graphs, followed by his detailed microsecond-by-microsecond explanation, for viewers that want to dig deeper.", "> Autotune destroys the natural texture and imperfections of the human voice, making it too perfect and robotic sounding.\n\nBut it enables the music industry to make money off of people who can't sing properly.", "[Just gonna leave this here for ya.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A)\n\n[Whoops, here's another one.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58)", "Reddit thinks the music industry's obsession with autotune is weird.", "> Just wait until they find out every other instrument and song they've heard in a song for the last 30 years has also been altered on a computer.\n\nWe've been doing fine in 30+ years before that, we just had to contend with singers who actually sing.", "> If auto-tune is done right, no one can tell.\n\nIf the singing is done right, no one needs auto-tune.", "I can do that, but auto tune is so much more. Just like makeup can be applied across a huge spectrum of degrees, from subtle eyeliner alone to full-blown drag. \n\nAuto tune can force a singer’s performance to snap to notes to create a cool robotic, stylized effect, but it can also be very smooth and natural to bring more consistency and robustness to a performance without necessarily sounding like T-Pain.", "Definitely. It's not the only factor, but autotrune the way Michael Buble uses it removes so much of the expressivity.", "autotune is just another tool in the toolbox. You could compare a digital cartoon to a painted canvas, and say that the canvas has more \"texture\". Sure. Objectively.\n\nBut limiting one factor allows more focus on others.\n\nI think music has changed from an art to a craft. Which sounds... stupid... But ok look, I learned a music instrument as a kid. Like, really really learned it. And the way it was taught was \"You've got to practice the same thing over and over again, so you can do it consistently on a moments notice\". Performance focused.\n\nBut that's not how modern music is done. Modern music is crafted in the same way you craft a wooden table. If you mess up a cut, grab another piece of wood. It's no longer \"Wow he did that perfectly on his first try\", it's \"Wow, that 4 minute song had about 400 collective hours of work put into it; Every single minute was scrutinized and sanded and smoothed and polished\".\n\nMaybe you don't personally like \"crafted music\". Maybe you prefer \"performed music\". But it's not because one's better. And one is definitely not \"easier\" or \"the cop out\".\n\nIt's just, like, your opinion man.", "I would assume he doesn't use live autotune. I don't know that, but in my experience live autotune is so much more noticable.", "And if no one fights we have world peace.", "What is your experience ?", "I'd be interested to see someone like jacob Collier in a video like this, as the guy has such incredible perfect pitch that I'd expect his voice to be very accurate anyway.", "Is mayonnaise a tool or an instrument?", "I love that. I mean, of course you want people to be happy with how it's made too, but the end listener just hears the end result.", "Also, don't die", "It feels like there are more Bubles in the world than Mercurys. Tons of great/talented opera singers, but how many vocalists can change the face of music and send it into a new direction.", "It's a floor wax.\n\nIt's a dessert topping.", "Let butcher everything", "Maybe I didn't get through to you about the kind of editing I'm talking about, the only way would be for someone to hear the artifacts left by the software, which is impossible if done right. Someone could use the same software on a vocal track and see if the detected blob of frequencies is perfectly average weighted around a note center, but the proper way to use the software is with your ears and not to let it perfectly auto align everything so they'd be unsuccessful.", "I started using the NewPipe app on my phone for YouTube and now I can't stand using the official app. What I particularly like about it, is that it fits with the pattern of use I have for YouTube, that is, other than videos I've specifically come there looking for, I only see the RSS feed of whatever new stuff there is from things I've subscribed to. I'd actually never subscribed to anything before that and wondered what the big deal was or why anyone did, but since I started doing this I've really liked reliably being able to have something I wasn't necessarily looking for but which is definitely something I would have wanted because it's from the folks who make the stuff I like. I think that's probably what the whole point of \"the algorithm\" was meant to be and actually I did find that it sorta worked that way for a while, even if not signed in because it inevitably figures out who you are profile or not, but my gripe at the time was it working too well. I felt like I was getting in to feedback loops and rabbitholes and I didn't like it, but I did appreciate the way you could consume it a bit like tv in that there's always something on and you just switch around till you like it. This subscriptions only way seems the best of both worlds since I'm in control of what channels are going to be showing up in a feed and am not distracted by creepy manipulative recommendations (whether they work too well or get it completely wrong) but can still veg out and not have to go looking for stuff if I just want to be entertained.\n\nI came to like this so much better that I sought it out on desktop and now use Freetube for the same kind of thing. Also it doesn't age gate video downloading which is the main advantage on desktop but I'm also enjoying profile-less subscriptions and feeds.", "Oh, that's probably my favorite Buble song and I'd love to hear Freddie sing it, and now I'm a little sad it'll never happen. We gotta get Ten Second Songs on this one, stat.", "That's some mighty good performance right there. I must return in kindness: \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFy9PjDtRCo", "Autotune always reminds me of yodeling.", "And maybe I didn’t get through to you that no matter what you do, if you fuck with the sound of someone’s voice, people will notice. It’s just a question of how many. \n\nHearing is one of those lizard brain concepts that we’ve optimized fairly well over millions of years. Especially when it comes to the sound of human voices. You may not even be able to consciously tell exactly what someone has done, but people can tell when something is “off” about a song. Even if you move it only a tiny bit.", "Sorry, but no, you can only know if something is \"off\" if it's off from your expectations. There's a dozen effects and possibly hundreds of edits affecting the voice on any given record, people only think it sounds off when something goes wrong.", "Ooh la la\nFifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong, A musing on censorship and morals in the USA. Sophie Tucker.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-IP0DE2kTI", "Yeah so this article speaks to general auto tune within a certain key, effectively the “effect” I was talking about \n\nNot quite the same as manual correction. The main difference, as the article suggests, is the speed. \n\nWhen you want to pitch correct a sample it isn’t as simple as assigning a new pitch, as you likely are aware. The issue lies with the time stretching needed to keep the same inflection while resolving to the new pitch. \n\nI’m sure that the software will get there eventually, but we are still a long way off from it happening within a latency that can appear anywhere natural for a live performance", "And they can be made with imperfections, and the idea that you can tell the difference is a myth perpetuated by snobs and the diamond industry. Any honesty gemstone or jeweler professional will tell you you need specialized equipment and processes to prove a diamond is no artificial.", "Good job and definitely very close. It's worth noting (no pun intended) that the actual spacing between the notes is not the same as their ordinal spacing (at least in a major scale, which these were).\n\nUsing the \"C major\" scale as an example (makes things much simpler to explain, since [the last one in the video](https://youtu.be/4yrr5FgjWZk?t=202) was B major scale) and with [this virtual online piano](https://www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-piano) (click \"Letter notes\" at the top), you can sorta visualize the *actual note positions* as numbers like this:\n\nOrdinal \| Note \| Offset \| Actual Position \n---\|---\|---\|---\n1 \| C \| \| 1\n2 \| D \| +1 \| 2 \|\n3 \| E \| +1 \| 3 \|\n4 \| F \| +0.5 \| 3.5 \|\n5 \| G \| +1 \| 4.5 \|\n6 \| A \| +1 \| 5.5 \|\n7 \| B \| +1 \| 6.5 \|\n8 \| C \| +0.5 \| 7 \|\n\nYou'll notice the odd half-steps between E and F as well as B and C. That's basically what throws it off a little bit. So, a better way to interpret the actual difference for the notes which would be two swap it out with the actual positions above, so `1 - 3 - 6` becomes `1 - 3 - 5.5` and `2 - 4 - 7` becomes `2 - 3.5 - 6.5`.\n\nThe spacing of those actual positions would be `2 - 2.5` and `1.5 - 3` correspondingly. Not just 2 and 3 like you might expect for both (just based on their order, at least). Crazy right?", "Made me cry, thank you for sharing that", "I’m saying it isn’t auto tuned, it’s a great example of a song where the vocal is not necessarily “in tune” but that is what makes it so good. Not only the vocal but the guitar parts are raw and you can hear these little mistakes that put the entire song right on the edge. That’s exciting music", "Today the drums would be chopped up and spliced to a grid, overdubbed with drum samples, bad would have the same done with pitch correction, guitars would be layered and layered and comped (where multiple takes are cut and put together to make a “perfect” take. The vocals would be comped as well, sometimes down to the syllable then run through pitch correction or auto tune or both... records don’t even get a chance to be exciting these days.", "I would have liked to have seen a sample from Adele seeing as she is known to not use autotune.", "Because if it isn't disclosed it's fraudulent.", "I think that there is plenty of music that is commodity first. But there is plenty of music that isn’t. I find no shortage at of music that isn’t afraid to stay away from the “perfect sound”.", "Yeah I find it a little soulless. But that’s ok, easy enough to avoid.", "Bulgarian noises", "I'd like to point out that this is like CGI: Everyone hates it, because you're not supposed to notice it when it's good.\n\nLike I doubt anyone would say that Michael Bublé isn't soulful and that his music is garbage and I doubt most here would be able to do well on a test on what song is autotuned and what isn't.", "Disney should be doing what they did before: Dub with fitting and trained singers.\n\nI can't remember exactly which movie it was (I think Mary Poppins), but Disney dubbed the actress in that movie during her singing, not because she wasn't a good singer (she was professionally good), but because they didn't think she had the right singing voice for that character.", "I literally stopped watching this video when the guy said he's seen Buble live and he sounded great, implying that you can't autotune live audio. I'm sure the rest of the video was interesting, but that ignorance to the topic made me bail. Has this guy heard of TPain?", "Watched the whole thing on a whim, so glad I did. Awesome watch, thanks for sharing.", "You are welcome. I love hearing that from people, because it points out just how obviously it's not true that people are tone deaf." ]	980	videos	So... YOU can't hear auto tune? No problem, NOW YOU CAN SEE IT!!!
https://youtu.be/65TjQmZfP8M	/r/videos/comments/qmox5p/japanese_subway_bathroom/	[ "what is this", "A video I made recalling an experience I had mostly, but otherwise whatever you interpret it to be.", "it was entertaining, thanks dude!", "Underrated as fuck.\n\nDamn you're a good content creator lmao", "Thanks man, appreciate it!", "No problem!\n\nKeep up the good work man!" ]	6	videos	Japanese Subway Bathroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ZBAawvUSQ	/r/videos/comments/qmpirn/meet_the_most_famous_korean_kabaddi_player_in/	[ "I want Youtube videos to stop inserting fake mouse clicks yesterday.", "kabaddi is honestly the coolest sport that no-one knows for anyone watching.\n\nwhen he says that anyone who plays it ends up having good time, he's not joking. it's basically a slightly more intense version of games we all played on a playground growing up.\n\nlots of cool shit there and some amazing physical prowess.", "Kabaddi is so much popular sport in India and people are interested to participate from the school level." ]	3	videos	Meet the most famous Korean Kabaddi player in India \| Lee Jang-kun
https://youtu.be/iaVWc894UlQ	/r/videos/comments/qmpsu0/the_daily_life_of_chinese_people_under_the_high/	[ "Communism is a pyramid scheme made up of people powertripping on those below them", "I like your name", "*Humanity", "Communism is for Losers." ]	4	videos	The Daily Life of Chinese People under the high pressure of power/The arrogance of power in China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9iYasWREzE	/r/videos/comments/qmq68c/flashback_meet_san_francisco_supervisor_harvey/	[ "You can virtually see the culture changing in films like this.", "One of the darker aspects of this time in SF politics was the level of influence Jim Jones and the People's Temple had over most of city hall, including Milk. Jones was even appointed to a powerful city commission at one point, and while nobody could have predicted the massacre, Milk and others certainly ignored obvious warning signs that the situation was spiraling out of control.\n\nMilk's assassination occurred only about two weeks after the massacre in Guyana, with Diane Feinstein discovering his body. She was one of the few prominent SF politicians of that time period who hadn't maintained a relationship with Jones, and would soon after be elected Mayor.", "The twinkie defense always works!", "This is very interesting. I remember a Jim Jones doc but it seemed disjointed with my memories. Your comment makes damn good sense. Jones was insane in my book .", "Yes, a lot of the info has been intentionally swept aside, probably because of Willy Brown's involvement along with some others... Today, there are only a few decent books that get into the political aspect of the Temple.\n\nI definitely respect Milk for all he accomplished, but I hate that people are unwilling to reflect on his failings too.", "Dan White apparently asked my mom out on a date and she declined. Apparently that dude was a giant POS even in high school.", "Yes I see what you mean. Jones was like taking over neighborhoods - but I guess probably impact helped liberal vote count ? I don’t know. Can you speak more to this? I’m not really into the partisan BS - rather I’m interested in Jones and his cult and how bizarre the entire story was. I remember he seemed to be helping the black communities at first. Please correct me.", "He was important politically because he could mobilize a lot of minority voters to vote for certain candidates in exchange for favors. I believe it was the '76 mayoral election where Jones engaged in a lot of possibly illegal shenanigans to get Moscone elected in exchange for a powerful political appointment. That was the event where all the pieces began to be put in place that would eventually lead to Guyana.", "Fantastic yet tragic story. Does stuff like this still happen? I guess that was a one and done. It happens now and then .... drinking the kool aide - heaven gate? But as far as religious impact on voters I guess it has powerful influence more than ever but it seems to me that partisan affiliation is like a religion. It is full of ideological beliefs that people fully identify with to the point of violence. I hate it. People have always been delusional but to have it in your face every time you look at your smartphone..... it seems to add to and accelerate the spread of imbecilic mentality across-the-board. Oh no . Edibles kicking in . Adios", "A sad historic moment was when [Diane Feinstein addressed the press](https://youtu.be/Ps8VmNTfK8k) on the steps of San Francisco city hall shortly after Harvey Milk’s assassination." ]	10	videos	Flashback: Meet San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk \| NBC News
https://youtu.be/cLPm_IUx-Kc	/r/videos/comments/qmqfm4/probably_will_ferrells_greatest_role_never/	[ "Put the mimosas down, BITCH!", "I disagree. His best role? [I feel it in my plums](https://youtu.be/1JE4JJddZx4)", "Gus Chiggins is peak Will Ferrell in my opinion. Dag nabbit!", "I’d watch bitch hunter", "Is that the Parks & Rec set?", "Honestly I hated this show but I loved all the dumb tv shows they made up.", "Let the boy watch", "Oh, peaches!", "Definitely looks like it could be", "I'm still holding out for Ferrell as the lead in a Slim Whitman bio.", "He only took this role to pay off [his abusive landlord](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIdxVR_7ikg)", "Big fan of Will Ferrell but I never thought that clip was funny.", "Well there ya go", "This gag is one of my favorites from the show!", "Goddamn that video takes me back.", "This show was so special with its writing. If it came out today the Internet would love it.", "Watch out for coyotes.", "He needs to learn, the way I learned from my father! The way he learned, from his father!", "You fucking suck!", "I'd watch a Gator prequel.", "So, along these lines, someone took a shitload of time, and made a Netflix clone that only has fake \"show within a show\" type stuff.\n\nI have no idea who made it, but it's amazing the amount of work that went into it: [https://nestflix.fun](https://nestflix.fun)\n\nUnfortunately you can't watch them, because copyright, but there's screen grabs and a write up and everything..", "Batfight?", "“Come mommy”", "Mr. Mayor started rounding into form towards then end of their first season so I'm hoping they can reach the same heights. \n\nI don't think the cast or directors could keep with Fey/Carlock at first, the rhythm was all wrong. But the last half dozen episodes all got better than the last.", "It’s Chiggins for sure. Honorable mentions for [Evil Boss](https://youtu.be/4vFTMjYJTnY) and [Short shorts for the USA](https://youtu.be/3mLsU46h8IA).", "I’m Robert Goulet", "In contrast, I generally dislike his acting but I think that clip is a scream. \n\n\nHumans are wierd.", "That was completely adorable.", "I'd also watch Milf Island.", "Im pretty sure they actually made Milf Island recently on HBO max(?). It had a different name but everyone was like \"bitch, this is Milf Island\".", "Ohhhh, pickle shoes!", "It is", "Dingle dongle dingle dongle, someone’s calling you..Goulet!", "Fxx is rerunning the series now and I'm introducing my ESL partner to it just saw this episode today.", "Just watch anything Barstool", "Gotta be right? Both were NBC shows and they just had him film something on the lot while the Parks and Rec sets were up.", "If I recall correck-leck", "30 rock is my actual favorite show of all time, but is there a reason 30 rock videos are getting posted and upvoted today? Maybe I've seen some in the past make it to the front page but I saw this one and the liz buying a bicycle one both today, so idk just curious if there is a reason.", "Chill out Peacock interns.", "You mean like upvote a post about an ancillary character from an incredibly popular show, that still is to this day, to the front page? Something like that?", "Never completely realized what?", "I was dying the first time I saw this scene", "[Eastbound & Down](https://youtu.be/_hPp4dgmrc8)", "No, that's not what I mean.\n\nI mean it would be a generation defining hit like Friends or Seinfeld was. \n\nThat's what I mean.\n\nYou ass.", "what is an esl partner?", "Fun fact - the skit is directed by Adam McKay, and the landlord is his daughter.\n\nHe's the dude who directed Step Brothers and The Big Short, and it's why this clip shows up briefly in the latter.", "30 Rock was in New York and Parks and Rec was in Pawnee, Indiana. Idiot.", "Eek! Slimy Lizards!", "Chazz in wedding crashers takes the cake for me", "And my point was that the internet already loves the show.\n\nYou ass.", "The internet loved it back then, too.", "I'm not fine! I SELL FUCKING KIA'S! \n\nThink about that!", "I gotta go with Ashley Schafer of Ashley Schafer BMW", "In generally, I contrast acting his scream but I think that clip is a dislike.", "Speaking of shows within shows, I still need Dead Sex from Roadies to be real.", "Will Ferrell does Ric Flair, would've watched an entire biopic", "Possibly the first in a long line of terrible greenscreen.\n\n:edit: Guys I say this out of love, there are some effects in the show that are weirdly brilliant, like the Leap Day Williams end tag.", "I see what you’re saying. If it came out after Parks and Rec and The Office instead of overlapping then it would have filled the hole created by those two shows. The internet did and still does love 30 Rock though, it’s a hugely popular show and certainly should be included the conversation of generation defining hits of the 00’s.", "Ashley Schafer of Ashley Schafer Kia", "You clearly miss his point.\n\nI'm an assman.", "That didn't come out 14 years ago 🙂", "https://youtu.be/i9IA4XFPEnk", "It’s on Netflix. It’s basically my one and only rewatch show. Just finished the last episode a couple days ago and immediately restarted it.", "FBoy Island.", "ESL = English as a Second Language.", "What u up to?", "Danny McBride is a fucking pro. Can't believe he didn't crack through all of that.", "Damnit Jerry!", "If that clip played on tv today, it’d cause a firestorm.", "Ours was Werewolf Bar Mitzvah", "I'm totally for posting a clip of 30 Rock per day.", "That's good to hear. Those first episodes were ROUGH.", "Totally. I was mad at the cast for ruining the writing. But they got it going a little.\n\n30 Rock had a heightened, magical tone to it, Mr. Mayor went dry like The Office or P&R and it didn't work. It got better thuogh and I hope it takes a jump like P&R did in season 2.", "Mine would be a tie between that and any time Kim Jong-il would appear lol.", "We're talking about two different levels of love. The internet loves lots of shows, it loves Better Off Ted too, but it doesn't get the kind of love I was thinking/talking about. \n\nI'm talking about that Friends, Seinfeld, The Office (at its absolute peak) kinda love.", "I like Honkey Grandma Be Trippin'\n\nTracy Jordan goes undercover as a white grandma.\n\n\"Goodness gracious! You hooligans better watch out, cuz this honkey grandma be trippin’!\"", "When I say the internet would love it what I mean is the way it loves The Office. There are people that haven't seen the office that are familiar with large chunks of the show because people are always talking about it. There are social media pages with huge engagement levels dedicated to it. At any God given time there's a tweet with 100k likes circulating that's literally just a scene from the show that says something like \"Nah fr The Office was too funny (laugh emoji)\" \n\n30 Rock won a lot of awards and was a popular enough show but it clearly wasn't loved as much as some of the other shows that were on at that time. \n\nAnd I feel like watching the show now, and seeing what the style of humour is on Twitter and Tik Tok now, the show would be crazy popular. It has that perfect blend of off-beat irreverence, absurdism and histrionic hijinks in everyday life. whereas the office and p&r, the other two big shows from that era (TBBT as well but who wants to talk about that show) had a style of comedy that was more appropriate for that time, 30 Rock feels more appropriate for right now", "I think it’s being promoted on Netflix right now. I just watched the entire series and now I’m seeing people mention it everywhere", "i know there’s a joke with those writing credits and i want to know what it is", "thank you!", "These people act like the internet didn't exist before 2015 lol. If there was a semi-popular show in the 90s/00s, you bet your ass there was a fan forum dedicated to that show.", "Well Jack Burditt seems to have worked on 30 Rock. I can't find a reference to Matthew Weiner on the show but it seems to be a reference to the writer of Mad Men.", "Sorry. Will is too funny.", "Jon Hamm (Don Draper on Mad Men) was a reoccurring character on 30 Rock.", "His scene in Last Man on Earth is also spectacular. I won’t ruin it but let’s just say it’s also quite short haha", "All their fictional shows were great. MILF Island. God Cop Bad Cop \"Why are you waiting for lab results?!? You are GOD!!!\"", "I’d order an Old Spanish", ">I just watched the entire series \n\nNot the entire series. They pulled 4 episodes from streaming.", "I am the greatest waiter in the world", "I'm sorry but I find this to be a pale imitation of the [series that inspired it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3EMb59qDSI)", "People on Reddit loved it. Reddit launched in 2005, and 30 Rock debuted in 2006.", "Thanks!", "Cinnamon & gravy!", "wow, this is amazing. Thanks for sharing!", "Is that the bathroom from Parks and Rec city hall?\n\nEdit: sorry just saw the other comment on this set", "Really? Which ones?", "Mine is Tracy Jordan's film:\n\nA Blaffair to Rememblack", "The ones with the blackface jokes. https://vimeo.com/433003518 Unless they put them back in.", "Ahh ok makes sense, they did the same for Community I believe.", "Depends on the platform for Community. Amazon or Hulu still had the D&D episode, drow joke and all.", "Classic", "I can't not sing along to \"New York, probed too much for the man (too much for the man!)\". Kenneths \"I missed it\" is gold.", "“Boys becoming men, men becoming wolves!”\n\nDamn I forgot to play that on the spookiest day of the year last weekend.", "\"Oh yeah I was in a remake of Glengarry Glen Ross with Kim Jong-Il.\"\n\n..\n\n\"The leads are weak?! You are weak! Luke I am your father! Ghostbusters!\"", "Ironically all the blackface jokes are making fun of... the use of blackface. \n\nIn particular, Jon Hamm as a 1930's white guy doing a black sambo character and enraging a serious black thespian was amazing. The joke is about how even the most ridiculous and insulting racist behavior was completely normal and accepted until pretty recently and there's really no way to do it without a white guy in blackface. How is that insulting to black people? It's insulting to 1930's white people.", "HA I love the part when the guy dress like the terrnator", "My favorite running joke of a fake TV show on 30 Rock was [MILF Island.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJNgAP2QnU)\n\n20 MILFs. 50 8th grade boys. No rules.", "I love trailers for fake shows. Especially when they actually get made into movies, like Machete, Hobo With A Shotgun, and Werewolf Women of the SS.", "Mine is Black Frasier: \"This beaujolais is both fruity and precocious.\" \"That's not the ONLY thing in here that's both fruity and precocious!\"", "Lmao, I know someone who was on that show. My friends watched it together on Discord to watch him on it", "I'd watch the shit out of Black Frasier", "It's both fruity and precocious.", "I've never been able to find the clip of whatever version of this scene made it into the show/movie?\n\nEDIT: As ever, I find it immediately after posting online that I couldn't find it. [Let the boy watch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD1Xjdr1TbM) Still looking for the final version of the plums scene though.", "oh you gotta watch the out takes from that scene. It's probably the best thing to ever come from that show.", "I'm a peacock cap. You gotta let me fly.", "Gator wants his gat back you punk ass bitch.", "Unappreciated by many,\n\nBut not unloved by a few", "I love me some Bitch Hunter but if we're talking Will Ferrell's best role I'm always gonna go with Casa De Mi Padre.", "[“Let the boy watch!!”](https://youtu.be/AKM3pyktIXw)", "Boys becoming men! Men becoming wolves!", "Copyright owners and streaming platforms are cleaning out \"bigotry\" from their backlogs with absolutely no sensitivity or reason. They cut out an entire episode of Mad Men for having a scene with blackface, where it was used to show the racism still very much present in 1960s white America, where only a few more racially conscious characters showed disapprovement. \n\nI can sort of understand it with racial caricatures in old cartoons or openly racist content like Birth of a Nation, but even then it's far better to preserve it but note that it was made in a different time. To erase historic racism is to erase history and does nothing to help with racism today. Imagine trying to make To Kill a Mockingbird today and be told that you can't show any racist behaviour. What is it then, a 15 minute movie about a black man receiving a fair trial?", "I treasure the [subtle 30 Rock jokes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-bvHlb2Fe8)", "It's really one of the best episodes as well.", "I grew up seeing a lot of 1990s/2000s post-modern 'ironic' blackface in British and American comedies and I used to think the same: it's mocking the use of blackface so it's okay. I agree with what you're saying that they were trying to mock white racism and did not intend to be racist, but that doesn't mean they were right. I think part of the reason so many of them have apologised is they thought it was okay at the time because they felt that racism wasn't such a serious problem anymore. Clearly, many have decided that they were wrong in recent years. The other thing is that even if it's done ironically people are still going to react to it by laughing at it on a racist level.", "I think one of my all-time favorite of his sketches was [GET OFF THE SHED!!](https://youtu.be/5HxwkZGzqS4) \n\n\nI honestly don't know why I love it so much, but damnit it always makes me laugh and I quote it way more often than you might think.", "Let's thank Tina Fey for\n\n1. Making the show, and\n\n2. Not censoring the entire show after she became woke.", "Don’t forget about the Ruhh Juhh", "Nope, it's [This one](https://youtu.be/CIk5I_8-WWY?t=178)", "And Kenneth's real name is from Mad men.", "I guess I'll spend the day researching number 2. My knowledge of Tina fey ended with 30 rock.", "Don't forget [Bitch Hunter 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IA4XFPEnk&ab_channel=graphix40).", "I think in the case of 30 Rock, Tina Fey wanted the episodes removed, not just the platforms.", "Post it!", "Yeah, that was confusing to me considering she is well aware of the context behind each one. I get it as, \"Twitter can't handle intelligent comedy\" though.", "I quote this all the time. No one gets it. BITCH.", "I am messing with the YouTube algorithm by watching clips. Every time I go on tangents and watch videos I se them on the front page around that time. This is the best show ever made though. Way better than the office. Good work sex doll.", "In the footer shows [Lynn Fisher](https://twitter.com/lynnandtonic) made it", "Nobody doing the cancelling cares about context. It doesn't matter if they fully understand the context, they still have the power to cancel anyway.", "I lost it at 2 plums for 1 special" ]	140	videos	Probably Will Ferrell's greatest role never completely realized: Bitch Hunter (30 Rock)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YYmfM2TfUA	/r/videos/comments/qmqoin/rocky_training_montage/	[ "Such an iconic scene", "Iconic.\n\nFor me, it's the [Rocky IV training scene when he's training to fight Ivan Drago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVP1wO_E4yk). NGL the music still pumps me up when I'm doing workouts.", "Yeah, that is the mother of all training montages !" ]	3	videos	ROCKY: Training Montage
https://youtu.be/idbDfUqQTxg	/r/videos/comments/qmqrn3/idubbbz_is_hiding/	[ "This is the single most pointless, attention seeking, wannabe and overall zoomer videos on youtube. Fucking losers begging to start shit with big youtubers so that they can get some attention... for doing fucking nothing.\n\nFuck right out.", "Go take a walk, nature is beautiful.", "Is this your shitty no sub youtube channel you're trying to promote?", "Of course." ]	4	videos	Idubbbz is hiding
https://youtu.be/b94XAejlFa8	/r/videos/comments/qmrbos/bitcoin_helping_the_navajo_nation_gain_financial/	[ "Misleading.", "Did you even watch the video? What the title says is accurate and drawn directly from the video's context", "thats must be the dumbest title i ever read", "Awesome video. Why the hate here in r/videos?", "How it's misleading? Everything there is true:\n\nhttps://www.nasdaq.com/articles/why-the-navajo-are-mining-bitcoin-2021-11-04", "Long title but accurate", "Did you watch the video?" ]	7	videos	Bitcoin helping the Navajo Nation gain financial freedom and property rights from the US that holds them as financial captives, and doesn’t honor their treaty to allow their citizens to own physical property on the land that was stolen from of their ancestors
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmregu/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmregu/deleted_by_user/	[ "The future is weird.", "lmao this is so stupid, i love it haha", "People should know this is way more work to do this then asking an ai to vocalize a given list of words\n\nSounds really impressive for a cartoon character ai voice, great job OP\n\nEdit: lmao of course you're the one that did the \"out of touch\" video. Me and my friend reference that vid all the time its legendary. Worth noting that your synthesis got way better since that video" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/SeYfAmz0Jlk	/r/videos/comments/qmrhje/the_ultimate_james_bond_medley_every_song_from/	[ "Pretty good overall but some of the vocal performers completely undeliver. For your Eyes Only and Thunderball fall so flat.", "And here's the best one we never got for spectre.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4mIWoLg69Y", "This video is criminally under viewed. It is insane.", "Thank you! I agree! SEND BOND!!" ]	4	videos	The Ultimate James Bond Medley - Every song from the 25 movies including No Time To Die!
https://youtu.be/kekNL6cgW44	/r/videos/comments/qms9un/a_youtube_channel_i_like_to_watched_trolled_his/	[ "Well, he did say he has to edit the stir down for time for the video. In that case we should let his seemingly paltry 10-hour stir slide. We know he is taking the right amount of time IRL.", "The Mr. Soule is fucking amazing. Never in a million years would I have thought I would like this drink, but it's a lot of fun. Brandy, orange bitters, powders sugar, and orange peels doesn't seem like it would be tasty, but it is darn tasty. \n\nAlso, Drambuie and coffee is my jam lately.", "that was a hell of a stir", "Glen's videos are fantastic! Highly recommend any and all of them.", "We love Glen! We watch his show every Sunday morning while we drink our coffee.", "Some people are even saying it is the best stir" ]	6	videos	A youtube channel i like to watched trolled his viewers!
https://youtu.be/71JRZsn3C-E?t=210	/r/videos/comments/qmsbjv/usa_parody_by_sweden/	[ "If you told me this was a comedy troupe in the US I wouldn't think twice.", "The words are all food and violence jokes XD", "Grotesco have done some great skits, [like this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1gj1Fw7yt8)", "Could someone on meth explain this to me?", "somehow it made sense.", "Keep in mind that almost everyone in Sweden speaks really good English. Their sense of humor may vary though." ]	6	videos	USA parody by Sweden
https://youtu.be/B5-hb63P8ck	/r/videos/comments/qmsd3t/dune_is_the_best_science_fiction_film_on_this/	[ "Was it though? I went into it completely blind, never saw the original, know nothing of the story. I was kind of lost through the first hour, it seemed like every scene was introducing a new character or location. By the end I was able to kind of put everything together and figure it out, but it didn’t blow me away like I had hoped from all the hype. \n\nI’m sure that for established fans of the story it was amazing, the acting was fantastic and the cinematography was incredible as well.", "As a long time, 25+ years, fan of the Dune series I entirely expected people to have this feeling. I was watching the movie and kept thinking about how nice it was they respected me enough to avoid too much exposition and unnecessary explanation, until it struck me I felt that way because I already knew the story. \n\nYour’s is, I’m guessing, the experience for many people", "Love the review... but how can a movie you say is the best in the 21st century still get docked .5.", "Too many slow motion clips starting the girl with blue eyes....\n\nNo love for interstellar?", "Since the millennia just started, I guess that means we might as well stop making science fiction films for another thousand years or so...", "I only watched the old movie with Sting. Somehow, I don't think this version added in too many new details? It still was excellently made and makes me very hopeful for the next part. \n\nThe old movie kinda turned into a montage after basically everything in this movie. \n\nAbout the duel at the end, was the guy challenging Paul supposed to be a chump. In the new movie he seemed extremely incompetent.", "If this one confused you, the original would completely baffle you. It's a hot mess.", "Is this a joke?", "> it seemed like every scene was introducing a new character or location.\n\nAren't there only like 3 locations in the whole movie?\n\n>but it didn’t blow me away like I had hoped from all the hype.\n\nAlso this might have explained that. I deleted a part in my video where I actually went into this because it was sort of extra. But with movies like these, you just have to go in blind. Because if you follow the hype too closely leading up to the movie, either you'll be overhyped, and disappointed since once you watch the movie, it doesn't match the insurmountable limitless expectations you have prior to the movie. Or you'll get the opposite, and see like just a mediocre score, and now you're going in with the mindset that you'll think the movie is mediocre as well, constantly judging it instead of just going with it.\n\nThis is also basically why I don't like watching seven trailers for every new movie that's coming out anymore. I think the teaser trailer is all you really need to see.", "> About the duel at the end, was the guy challenging Paul supposed to be a chump. In the new movie he seemed extremely incompetent.\n\nUnfamiliar with the background, but just from what the movie presented, my assumption was just that Paul was trained by both Josh Brolin's character and Jason Mamoa's character, which explains why he's already skilled at combat, he just has no real-world experience. So fighting these guys is not the biggest challenge for him.\n\nThe struggle that he was having at the end with the duel was because he had that vision where that guy was supposed to take him under his wing, so he kept hesitating. All of his visions had come true to that point, so he didn't understand what he was supposed to do to obtain that future he saw. I think the point of that ending duel was that he now realizes that he can change the future that he saw.", "Recency bias. If it still holds up to me as much as it does over time, then I can feel safe giving it that extra .5.\n\nPlus, even if it's not perfect, just comparatively, the only other scifi movies I'd put ahead of it, from the past 20 years, are like Blade Runner 2049, Minority Report, and maybe Interstellar or the Martian. Unless Fury Road is considered science fiction, then I'd put that up top.", "Basically the weaknesses I see in Interstellar are the ones I see people claiming about Dune. Personally, I feel like Dune has way more substance to it, and Interstellar is a lot of talking in between really good scenes. I still think it's also a very good movie though.", ">so far.", "I absolutely agree with you.", "He’s not incompetent, just Paul is a way better fighter. During the fight the audience is supposed to think that Paul is slightly better than Jamis, then he has the realization the only way he can become his destiny is to “die” by killing someone, and here the movie doesn’t convey it well, but the killing move Paul does, the almost unseeable swiftness with which he displaced Jamis, that is his real combat level skill. \n\nYou’re supposed to see that the Fremen are more than capable of holding their own against the Emperors greatest warriors in the galaxy, and that is supposed to show you Paul is even beyond that.", "It's not conveyed very well imo then. You never see his relative strength as he only duels another impossible master. In the Fremen fight, we don't really see him struggle or having to strategize. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe whole line of thought is out of the window as well then. How does he die by killing? He never struck me as a pacifist or is it losing his innocence by his first kill?", "As I said somewhere else, the movie is a lot better if you already know the plot, which means it doesn’t do a great job as a movie. \n\nIt’s losing his innocence because he is by all measures still really a boy. The big problem is that Villeneuve chopped out huge chunks of the plot (including a very important character) to make it fit, and he still only covered about a third of the plot in part one. It’s a good movie but it leaves huge important pieces out" ]	17	videos	Dune is the best science fiction film on this side of the millennium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STPnqKcX9Qo	/r/videos/comments/qmsdsp/if_kyuss_wrote_no_one_knows/	[ "This is awesome", "That's tight, OP!", "Nice.", "This is like saying \"if crosby, stills, nash, and young rewrote a song as a crosby, stills, and nash song.\"", "I mean, it's the same guitarist and bass player, right?", "Damn op is this you? This is amazing never seen someone capture kyuss sound and vibe so great without it being a cover. Also those sleep electric wizard hybrids are incredible", "Nice and crunchy.", "What if Dead & Company did some Grateful Dead songs!!!!1!", "Homme was only a touring member though, right? I don't think he ever played on a Trees record even the Last Words stuff.", "\\chewing\\ \n\nyeahp", "Did this guy learn to play a right stringed guitar left handed?", "This is great", "Sounds exactly like Kyuss, impressive.", "Incredibly well done, although the title makes it sound like someone else was writing Kyuss's songs when Josh Homme was the primary songwriter and guitarist for both bands.\n\nWould make more sense if it said If Kyuss covered 'No One Knows'", "The only difference between the final Kyuss lineup and the first QOTSA line up is the absense of John Garcia on vocals. Josh Homme also wrote most of the songs for both bands.", "Same question I had.", "So sick. I’d love to see something like this in a desert sessions album", "Honestly, I'd have liked this much better.", "They're almost the exact same band in these two songs. Just missing some backing vocals.", "Not exactly, Nick was in Kyuss early on, but when they finished it was Scott Reeder on bass. So still Kyuss members, just not ones that were in the band at the same time.", "Dude this fucking bangs.", "Looks like it. I know Dick Dale also played that way.", "Pretty good!", "Even better: [he doesn’t have a left hand](https://youtu.be/xUUg0cKGUDU). 🤯", "This is awesome - need more!", "Ahhh you're right. Username checks out.", "Damn", "The interesting thing about this is that Kyuss and QOTSA have shared band members", "I want desert sessions version next", "So good....", "Isn't that how Jimmie Hendrix played ? Not re-strung but simply flipped over.", "[This song is 20 years old. It's Classic Rock.](https://i.imgur.com/rAFP13z.gif)", "Harshing peoples buzz on a friday is hella weak.\n\n^^^These ^^^sayings ^^^are ^^^also ^^^probably ^^^20 ^^^years ^^^old... ^^^:(", "Dude is badass. I'd really like to hear more of him doing Kyuss style covers.", "I think this would do much more good on r/scary", "whoa! That's crazy. That explains why he holds the guitar left handed. But still, he could have inverted the strings!", "Probably growing up, you're sharing instruments with friends and if you start tinkering (before actively learning), you end up learning this wrong way 'round anyway.", "[If NIRVANA sounded like KYUSS](https://youtu.be/zH-z4KDFumA).", "It sounds like a Kyuss inspired band, it doesn't sound exactly like Kyuss. Still decent though", "Only Josh and Nick were on Kyuss records, with Nick only playing bass on their first 2/4.", "I reckon any random Kyuss fan, blindfolded, and told this was an early demo of the song, would totally buy it.", "This is badass." ]	42	videos	If Kyuss wrote 'No One Knows'
https://youtu.be/feRBILhdXLQ	/r/videos/comments/qmsf4t/a_bit_of_scottish_humour_for_you_all/	[ "Couldn't understand a word of it, but in any language LAUGH TRACKS SUCK!", "Youtube captions was of no help and had NO idea what they were saying.", "It's actually fucking hilarious to me that people can't understand us. There isn't an accent on the planet I can't understand.", "It's so that you remember it's a comedy!", "I'd write you out a transcript but it's really not funny enough to warrant it.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7QB3om-QY", "Can't parse him word for word but yeah I get the gist, he's mumbling a lot which some old yins tend to do, even here they do it. Nothing to do with the accent, just old guys who've dulled their minds with decades of boozing. Appalachians are another group who have really thick accents like this, I can understand that fine too.", "[Challenge accepted.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8_lG79KDs) Pause at 14 seconds and let me know how much you understood.", "I be puttin yall folk on like I be tellin yall I see some fire stuff like oh ye lemme post that lemme let everybody know where they need to come to cause baby that ... shopping like wait till I get some more money I'm coming back to get the drip\n\nCouldn't parse the shit in the ellipsis.", "RIP Benny Harvey. Miss ya big guy!", "Gone, but not forgotten.", "It's only americans, the rest of the anglosphere has little trouble with each other's accents, but the yanks will look at you like you've got three heads if god forbid you drop an \"r\" (or roll it, in your case).", "Being a Londoner I have been in the situation where I am translating between a Scottish person and a non British person, both speaking English.\n\nIt's happened more times than you would expect.", "Haha nice, I got family from the south and you did better than I did.", "I spent a lot of time on worldstar in its heyday lol." ]	16	videos	A bit of Scottish humour for you all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5kxXuqF4VI	/r/videos/comments/qmsmxy/three_basic_python_programming_exercises_i_would/	[ "bro, for the first problem your code is fine but totally not pythonic\n\nI would argue that a function is overkill as you can simply say\n>print(stringint)\n\nthe operator works like a concat multiplier, so you can actually just use the base operator", "This code seems cleaner for the third problem's solution: \n\n def contains_321(arr):\n for i in range(len(arr) - 2):\n if arr[i:i+3] == [3,2,1]:\n return True\n return False", "yeah I think that cuts a bit of fluff for sure. I was busting out the first thing that came to me and didn't spend too much time optimizing but that works really well for sure! Thanks for the tip my man", " def duplicate_string(string, integer):\n return stringinteger;", "\\> function as evidence they knew how to create and call functions\n\nDo you ask for evidence they can walk and breathe too?", "yes, this. I think that is still overkill. the wrapper function adds no value over the original operator. Again from a pythonic perspective. Other languages that are more OOPY this would be normal.", "we got it bro, you're a programmer. \n\nThis is an entry level job, maybe its good to cover the basics in an interview...", "There's basics and there's basics. Knowing what a function is tends to be assumed. If I wanted to test for the basics I'd check for understanding of basic flow logic, that is understanding the appropriate uses of loops, if statements and match-case.", "Its funny you should ask that, yes we have yet to hire anyone who can't breathe as its key to job performance, and no we actually don't require walking as even those who are wheelchair bound can write code! But I hope you have a good day and find a more positive outlook on life!", "String concatenation with \"+\" is also very expensive. Each time it's called, a brand new string is created. A good example is if you have python code that generates an HTML page. Suppose the body of the HTML includes thousands of tags, which your code is adding one-by-one. The entirety of the page generated before is being copied each time a tag is added. A more performant way is to append all additional strings to a list, and generate the final string with \"\".join(mylist)", "python is such a weird language.", "Yes, walking was certainly a bad example. Technically breathing is probably not a job requirement either.", "I use Python every day and learned something brand new a few days ago...\n\nYou can dynamically set the doc string for a function!\n\nexample, if the function is called example\\_function: `example_function.__doc__ = 'Now I have a doc string!'`", "Here are the problems, for people who don't want to watch the video: \n\n\n1: Output a string variable that is copied as many times as the Integer specifies\n\n2: Given any string that is not blank, return the string incrementally added together one additional character at a time (e.g. func(\"Pizza\") -> PPiPizPizzPizza)\n\n3: Given an array of integers return True if the sequence contains 3,2,1 in order at any point", "You should either be explicit when asking the question that only valid inputs need to be considered or you should as an interviewee think through all the various edge cases and be clear about how they should be handled.\n\nWhat if a negative integer is passed in? What if an extremely large integer is passed in, should it infinite loop or give an error? What if a nil string is passed in? What if something other than a string is passed in? Do you only need to handle ASCII strings or Unicode? Only single byte Unicode or all Unicode? What if they pass in malformed unicode such that the last character of a string combines with the first character to form a difference character?\n\nI generally advise interview candidates to answer programming questions from a test first perspective. Write a few tests down that lay out the specs of the program and confirm with the interviewer that your assumptions are correct. As an interviewer, I'm assessing communication skills as much as I'm assessing programming ability.", "I feel like he give good straight forward answers, which I would probably use in an actual interview b/c it would be hard to fuck up, but here are my solutions:\n\n1:\n\n def one(str, cnt):\n print(strcnt)\n\n2:\n\n def two(str):\n return \"\".join([ str[:i+1] for i in range(len(str))])\n\n3: (better answer here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmsmxy/comment/hjbs9sn/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web2x&context=3)\n\n #Same answer as video\n def three(arr):\n for i in range(len(arr)-2):\n if arr[i]==3 and arr[i+1]==2 and arr[i+2]==1:\n return true\n return false", "Well said!", "For the third one you can just do `if arr[i:i+3] == [3, 2, 1]`", "There's a few ways you could do it.\n\n def string_multiplier(string: str, count: int) -> str:\n return ''.join([string for x in range(int(count))])\n \n def main():\n print(string_multiplier('moo',10))\n \n if __name__ == '__main__':\n main()", "Entry level as I completed Code Academy? Or entry level as in I have a degree?", "does .join not just call concatenation under the hood?? I dont do most of my coding in python, but I know in .net the better approach to such a thing is to use a string builder class to avoid your use case. I am sure there is a logical equivalence in python", "You're getting totally railed on here with people saying you have a bad attitude but I'm just as shocked as you are. I've been developing professionally for 13 years and I have never been on an interview where the questions were this simple. It would be a major red flag for me. It seems like this is more tailored towards the dev ops guy that does the occasional scripting than a full fledged developer.", "I don't think you necessarily need complicated questions. Programming languages, codebases and algorithms tend to come and go so what I think matters most is that people have an understanding for how to approach problems and have a decent understanding of how programs and computers work.\n\nIn practice most programmers probably spend most of their time looking up how someone else already solved the problem but to do that you must understand the problem. \n\n\nThat said, knowing how to create and call functions is such a baseline competency I wouldn't even imagine explicitly testing for it. It's up there with testing for if they know how to compile, assign variables or send something to std:out. (Although if you ask me to do that for any given language from memory, chances are good I will not remember the syntax, remembering syntax is what looking things up are for).", "Ah, I see you work in the string duplication and array industry, very cool.\n\nWe charge by the index of array, so for every index we touch, we charge a dollar. What model do you charge by?\n\nI'm kidding. This would show that a person is not entirely incompetent (very common in programming), but who writes this and gets paid money for it?\n\nI've done similar things, but we had people write some unit tests, but shouldn't we also check if they can, say, fire up a small web server to serve some html or something practical like that?\n\nProgramming is both a skill of understanding zero-indexed arrays and of understanding eco-systems of tooling etc.\n\nHave a great day everyone.", "Also naming your variables str or string is bad practice, because you shadow the builtin str or the standard library string.", "lmao what year is this?\n\neveryone just goes to stackoverflow and copy paste", "agreed, forgive my pseudo syntax. I was just trying to illustrate the concept", "I meant op, your pseudo code was perfectly illustrating multiplying strings.", "No, it doesn't. [It looks like this is the code](https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/stringlib/join.h). \n\nSince you've already collected all the strings into a list, it can pre-determine the length and allocate a buffer that big. Then it's just a matter of looping through and copying each string into the result buffer.", "... or you just forget about loops, because why would you use loops for trivial problems in a high-level language?\n\n def foo(a):\n any(map(lambda *x: x == (3, 2, 1), a, a[1:], a[2:]))\n\nObviously, you'd preferably use some HOF 'any' that short-circuits evaluation, but I don't actually have any clue of python and couldn't immediately find such a thing in the python documentation, so this will do.\n\nPeople using loops for trivial stuff IMO is kinda disqualifying as it's both way more verbose, and it's harder to follow because you have to track underlying data structures and indices separately instead of just tracking the derivation of data structures.", "> You should either be explicit when asking the question that only valid inputs need to be considered\n\nNo, you shouldn't, code is never expected to handle invalid input, except at security boundaries (as in: protocol parsers).\n\nIf anything, it's important to specify what valid input looks like. But there is nothing unclear with the specifications given here.\n\n> What if a negative integer is passed in?\n\nThat doesn't make sense, so behaviour is undefined.\n\n> What if an extremely large integer is passed in, should it infinite loop or give an error?\n\nAn \"extremely large integer\" is an integer, so it fits the specified valid inputs, so a string containing \"extremely many copies\" should be returned. If that fails due to resource constraints, a runtime exit or an appropriate exception would be expected, and is something that the python runtime will take care of anyway.\n\n> What if a nil string is passed in?\n\nA \"nil string\" (I suppose you mean an empty string?) is a string, so it fits the specified valid inputs, so a string containing the specified number of copies of the empty string should be returned.\n\n> What if something other than a string is passed in?\n\nThat's not a valid input, so undefined behaviour.\n\n> Do you only need to handle ASCII strings or Unicode?\n\nEither, as no limitation to a particular encoding has been specified, and either would be a string, thus fitting the specified valid inputs.\n\n> Only single byte Unicode or all Unicode?\n\nEither, as no limitation to a particular encoding has been specified, and either would be a string, thus fitting the specified valid inputs.\n\n> What if they pass in malformed unicode such that the last character of a string combines with the first character to form a difference character?\n\nThe specification doesn't say anything about character handling, therefore, that's irelevant. You might as well be asking \"what if they pass in a malformed English sentence?\" It simply doesn't matter, we are dealing with opaque strings, nothing in the spec says that we should in any way care about the semantics of the string." ]	31	videos	Three basic Python programming exercises I would ask entry level applicants to complete when I was on the interviewing team at a small software company.
https://youtu.be/RFhP9M1wSdM	/r/videos/comments/qmsvsf/how_tony_hawk_almost_got_ripped_off_on_his_own/	[ "The audio on Tony is some kind of weird.", "Sounds like some shitty compression.", "Lets not be too harsh here. It wasnt the worst interview but they pressed questions that didnt really seem to go anywhere and made it a little awkward. No need to insult him simply for saying he didnt like the video.", "You said he was incapable of making such great things.", "My b bro", "Wtf is going on with Tony's look? Did he dye his eyebrows? Is that a rug? It looks like someone did a really awful job putting makeup on him as well, he looks like he's an elf wearing normal clothes.", "Can't even imagine what that guy said, must've been batshit. Dude starts analyzing your childhood over your opinion on some broadcasters lol can't imagine why he felt it necessary to delete. Even funnier when it turns out your opinion was fairly benign. \n\nI want him to do me next. \n\nI don't like those guys who work over at my local chevron station.", "Lol dudes 53.", "Something I always find interesting, that Tony is too humble to bring up here, is that during his competition days, especially during the late 80s, he was not looked at fondly by his peers. He was winning so much because be was able to invent new tricks on vert at a pace that only Rodney Mullen could beat (and freestyle skateboarding was an entirely different beast).\n\n So much of skateboarding, even to this day is about how stylish and fluid you can make a trick look, rather than how difficult the trick is. Most really experienced skaters would rather have a less difficult move dialed in to perfection rather than a sketchy and/or inconsistent trick that is more difficult, even if it has never been seen before. Tony was seen as \"robotic\" looking; i.e. not smooth. A lot of skaters back then looked at Tony Hawk as the guy with medals/trophies and bad style, and Christian Hosoi as the guy with all the girls, admiration from peers, and style. The competition judges saw it differently.", "Guessing OP got mad that you talked bad about his YT channel. Which wasn't really bad talking about it. Didn't like it either of them talking to Tony like that.", "Gotcha. Good on you to take it lightly. Been going through some shit myself, so may have overreacted on your behalf.", "And he has beaten the shit out of himself for decades. The man looks great tbh", "You're a stronger man than I. Can't stand Schulz's whole \"persona\"; his confidence/attitude feels unearned. IMO he acts and carries himself like he's some kind of comedy legend, but he's terribly unfunny and hasn't really done anything noteworthy. Don't even get me started on his cohost lol.", "Yeah my point is he looks like he's trying to hard to look young, which is never a good look, and the effect is pretty creepy", "He must have had a hair transplant. [Look at this for comparison](https://i.imgur.com/oaXH1hN.jpg). He looks like a wax figure of himself with those dark brows. It's creepy. He should just have them in a lighter color.", "Who cares? And he looks fine.", "Good to know at least one other person is not willfully blind lol. I love the guy but come on Tony what are you doing", "Glad those dudes opinions never mattered", "Kelly Slater's dominance in surfing was wild, and he is still competing in the top 32 of the world" ]	19	videos	How Tony Hawk Almost Got Ripped Off On His Own Video Game
https://youtu.be/-KHPpNQ9Y2k	/r/videos/comments/qmt8dv/medeski_martin_wood_wheres_the_music/	[ "Never thought I'd see these guys here!\nLove their stuff with John Scofield", "Sometimes upright bass strings can be made of 🐑sheep gut …", "https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWUb0uBnlJuTi?si=VwWnLGDERheFEJadkhdR8A&utm_source=copy-link\n\nWas listening to a jazz/funk compilation on spotify. Never heard of them before. Now i cant stop listening" ]	3	videos	Medeski, Martin & Wood - Where's the Music
https://twitter.com/StatusCoup/status/1456314465423593477	/r/videos/comments/qmthsb/latest_from_john_deere_workers_on_strike/	[ "You guys see how little coverage this gets compared to basically all none pro-worker issues?", "Oh they want more money. Shocked Pikachu face.", "Why can't they just work for the love of working?", "... Should they not want more money?", "I understand people want more money to feed/house their families, but have you considered the effect on the company's bottom line? \n\nEvery extra dollar you get to spend on your kid is another dollar taken away a billion dollar company's bottom line. Not very team player of these protestors.", "Me as well. Deere has been netting between 1.5B to 2B per month for several.", "I’ve heard they’ve put salary workers on the lines. Kind of funny.", "Immediately brought ambulances to the scene.", "Then companies should do this across the board and not give executives double digit raises. Let alone generational wealth as a salary every year. Maybe that will solve things.", "I’m here for the obscure Simpsons reference", "\"We're like a family here\"", "Not sure why it’s funny. This isn’t a salary vs union deal. This is a C suite/board vs union deal. The people stuck in the middle want this to be over just as much as the workers who are striking. \n\nOnly way it’d be funny would be to have those C suite/board members who have been lining their pockets, to work the line in place of these workers. We all know the likelihood of that…it’s sad to a point where it’s funny…", "This is in \"flyover country\". You know, that BS term they use to describe the places they don't care to be in unless it suits their narrow minded means. It's not them blocking or censoring at all. It's much simpler than that. They don't care. To some anchor or newsmaker in Manhattan or DC a strike at John Deere is about those silly green tractors the hillbillies use. The power brokers and king makers don't care and barely even notice the people outside what they conskder worthy of their attention. Don't let yourself be fooled that they actually care about you. Take your own fates in to your own hands and use the tools at your disposal that you've been told for.years are just a scam.", "> I’ve heard they’ve put salary workers on the lines.\n\nYou mean scabs? Anyone crossing this picket line is scum. Fuck the corporate employees who have agreed to work the lines.", "I wonder how many of these people voted for Trump?", "FWIW: \n\nmost time salary workers aren’t given an option, they are told to work the line or get canned. \n\nThey also are not protected or represented by the union. They will gain nothing from holding the line, and might be the only breadwinner in their household. \n\nEssentially, it’s easy to be a keyboard jockey with big words. Rougher when you’re looking at having your house foreclosed on if you don’t.", "I work a salaried job, I'm well aware of what their position is. It doesn't make their decision any less problematic. The only way to force the C level to actually act in the interest of the workers is to refuse at all levels and stand in solidarity together as employees. Let them fire everyone and destroy their business. I would hope the corporate employees who knew this eventuality was coming for months would have planned or had an emergency fund, but even without taking those steps they [may still qualify for unemployment](https://www.iowaworkforcedevelopment.gov/unemployment-insurance-frequently-asked-questions#Eligibility).\n\nI don't think we're going to agree on this because I would absolutely make myself less comfortable to give these rich assholes the middle finger. It's not about \"being a keyboard jockey\", it's about making a hard decision to do the right thing.", "When you have bills to pay and mouths to feed. It's not as simple as saying fuck you and getting canned. Your responsible for others and you do what you can. Finding I different job during this time however would be a good way to stick it to the company. With out having to sacrifice the well being of their families", "I work a salaried job in a union environment and have been in this exact position. I have seen hundreds of people put in this exact position. \n\nI've never crossed a line, but know many who have. I know people with chronically sick family members who could not afford cobra or a gap in health insurance coverage.\n\nYou can make one decision for yourself and be understanding of someone's situation. \n\nIts not a matter of \"being uncomfortable\" for everyone. \n\nFor some its a matter of losing every dime they have from medical debt. \n\nIts a matter of being fired and not qualifying for your pension anymore. Eliminating 20+ years of retirement savings.\n\nIts a matter of having your house repo'd or your child having to drop out of college. \n\nIts a matter of understanding that the right thing for you, isnt necessarily the right thing for another\n\nLet me know when you, your friends, and your coworkers have to make those choices; Then get back to me and let me know if you still want to call them scum. \n\nUntil then, enjoy being a keyboard jockey.", "Point taken but mainstream media doesn't cover labor issues regardless of geographic location. They would rather talk about practically anything else.", "Probably a bunch of them. SFW?", "Scabs need to be dealt with Jimmy Hoffa style", "The irony of their situation is lost on them I'm sure.", "1. Who cares\n\n2. The UAW endorsed Biden", "[Scab: a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab)\n\nA salary employee working a union job during a strike is a scab. No ifs, ands, or buts.", "[Scab: a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab)\n\nA salary employee working a union job during a strike is a scab. No ifs, ands, or buts.", "[Scab: a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab)\n\nA salary employee working a union job during a strike is a scab. No ifs ands or buts.\n\n>Its a matter of understanding that the right thing for you, isnt necessarily the right thing for another\n\nIf you scab on a union member because you are looking out for yourself instead of the group as a whole, you clearly don't understand what damage you are causing to not just that one person's job, but the strength of the union as a whole, that means you deserve to be treated like a fucking scab.", "You are 100% correct, \n\n[Scab: a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab)\n\nA salary employee working a union job during a strike is a scab. No ifs, ands, or buts.\n\nPeople trying to justify them being scabs is proof that they don't know Jack shit about unions.", "Because people vote against their own self interest. I bet many members of the UAW union voted against what the union said.", ">Not sure why it’s funny. This isn’t a salary vs union deal. This is a C suite/board vs union deal. The people stuck in the middle want this to be over just as much as the workers who are striking. \n\nThen they should stop fucking scabbing. Maybe unionize for themselves.\n\n>Only way it’d be funny would be to have those C suite/board members who have been lining their pockets, to work the line in place of these workers. We all know the likelihood of that…it’s sad to a point where it’s funny… \n\nThey don't have to with an bunch of salaried scabs ready to do it for them.", "any basis for assuming that?", "They do this all the time. When Verizon went on strike years ago they trained office people to climb poles. Can’t even make that up it was such a horribly stupid idea.", "Promoted to union boss and have movies made about you? And murdered by the mob for refusing to take shit from them?\n\nYou do realize that Hoffa was probably the worst analogy you could have made.", "That is true but it was confirmed later to be a cardiac event not a safety incident.", "Yet the union folks striking for better conditions, with mouths to feed and bills to pay can get fucked right?", "Can confirm. Had dinner with one of them last night... He's in the finance department...", "All we need is one new labor law - CEO (and all the other effectives) raises are locked to employee raises, percentage-wise. Your production workers didn't get a raise this year? Neither does the CEO. Want to give the CEO a 15% raise? Then you're giving it to everybody.", "Well put", "People only care about Iowa once every 4 years when they hold their caucus. After that they go back to thinking it's Idaho, no that's potatoes. Iowa has corn. And if you want to talk about the media not caring about Iowa, look up the derecho they had last year and the massive destruction it caused state wide. I'm from Iowa, I can tell you no one cares about the state.", "I work for a large beverage manufacturer, one of our largest facilities is coming into a fresh negation cycle this January and we're prepping to do the same. \n\nI was the lead engineer on our newest production line install / commissioning and have been asked to start prepping to be able to run the filler / blow molder and act as line lead if they don't work out a deal. I am certainly capable but I have reservations because I truly value the relationships I've built with our operators/maintenance techs and I know this will hurt that in some cases. I hope it doesn't come to a strike, especially because I think our company has been very fair over the last few years to our Frontline team, especially with COVID. For two years now we've offered unlimited sick time and 20% extra pay per hour for hourly staff because of covid, im certain the union is going to shoot them self in the foot on these when negotiating.", "Dude you act like that is easy or even possible given how short this strike has been. Any of them that try to unionize would just be fired and replaced with other scabs", "So it's a problem for them to be replaced by scabs, but when they scab on someone else I'm supposed to sympathize? Nah, they are piece of shit scabs, full stop.", "Yeah but fuck your family you need to provide for, again unions have the benefit of have national or international organization and support that has been decades in the making. You really think all the salaried workers that are working the lines have that benefit? On such a short notice? No they don’t, if they try to organize or refuse to do the work then they get fired and even though they “may” still qualify for unemployment, how the hell are they supposed to survive? I get where you’re coming from and respect your conviction, but you need to understand that a lot of people are just trying to keep their heads down and survive this for the sake of their families, which I can empathize with. I feel like I’m in no place to say these people should be harassed or attacked like most other scabs are.", "Not just “more money”. They want a living wage. You know, be able to afford a house, food, clothing, healthcare without having to work 3 jobs.", "I wish you had way many more upvotes, I was in a similar position. Had to pay a mortgage, sick kid. What an I going to do, give away my retirement? I can't pay bills with monopoly money and can't afford a stop on salary or Healthcare", "Thats exactly what raising canes did apparently. [https://www.today.com/food/raising-cane-s-puts-corporate-staff-work-fry-cooks-cashiers-t233562](https://www.today.com/food/raising-cane-s-puts-corporate-staff-work-fry-cooks-cashiers-t233562)\n\nWonder how quickly their C suite suits will get their shit together.", "tbh this is because there's nothing really impactful going on in Iowa from a macro scale. Iowa makes up less than 1% of the US GDP. Literally all business could stop in Iowa, and it would be less meaningful than a 7% decrease in business in california.\n\nhttps://www.deptofnumbers.com/gdp/iowa/#:~:text=Iowa%20GDP%20represents%200.91%25%20of,in%20the%20nation%20in%202019.", "You would find that meat prices would skyrocket.", "Not saying there wouldn't be industry impacts, simply that the reason why there's not broad coverage is because the aggregate impact is low. Also didn't mean to imply a value judgement of the human impact of things like this in Iowa being lesser, just that frankly, the stakes are lower from an economic perspective, hence less coverage.", "I get what you're saying, but do me a favor and Google \"derecho Iowa\" and I think you'll understand why I mentioned it. It devastated the state with hundreds of thousands of people out of power for months, and almost no coverage. It deserved far more coverage and help than it got.", "I just did and goddamn, you're right. I'm legitimately surprised this is the first I am hearing of this - even from a 'weather phenomenon' junky perspective. Absolutely brutal.", "lol yeah fuck minorities", "Iowa is more than 90% white, what minorities?", "I don't really care if people who vote against their self interest are screwed over by the politicians they vote for.", "As someone who grew up in the middle of the country and now resides in NYC, I can tell you this: you are mostly right, but it’s a lot more complex. Moving to a big city will not somehow make the media care about you. Major media doesn’t think people in rural areas are hillbillies, and major media doesn’t think people living in urban areas are sophisticated rich people. They don’t think about you or me AT ALL. We exist only as a demographic of consumer preferences, and anything that falls outside of that demographic is simply disregarded as a rounding error by a set of algorithms. \n\n\nOur society measures happiness and fear by consumption preferences. So when someone says “what would make me happy is maternity leave, higher wages and lower healthcare costs”, there is no product to buy that will give you that. There is no Ranch Dressing of maternity leave. \n\n\nThere’s also this linguistic trick being played: Because consumerism is based on a simplistic dichotomy that people need to be either happy or afraid ,( i. e., people buy things to make them happy or because they’re afraid—-handguns or ranch dressing), there’s no room for other desires. There’s no room for “I want my life to get incrementally better and be in a better place in five years.” That is neither happiness nor fear. There is no immediate product to consume for that, no advertising to be sold. It is unquantifiable, and So it’s disregarded. Modern computing is built on binary circuits, and Building a better life for the future is a rounding error. The subtlety and complexity of your desires and long term needs cannot be understood because we speak a language to machines that MEDIATE the language as consumer preference. \n\n\nNow, what the fuck does any of this have to do with a John Deere strike? I think it has something to do with our inability to deal with complexity and subtlety in the modern world. I would argue that the modern world of individual western consumer is pretty simplistic, it just seems complicated by all the superfluous choices we seem to have. And when we have to constantly choose between happiness and fear, it makes it hard to plan for a better life five years from now. \nMedia doesn’t know how to even deal with the complexity of unions anymore. There’s been a concerted effort to demonize union membership for fifty years now. But \n1) John Deere= Good, American, but unions= bad\n2) police= Good, Pro America, but unions= bad\n3) firefighters= good, Pro America, but unions = bad.\n \nWhen people talk about the evil of unions, they’re never referring to the evil firefighters union. They’re referring to the communist plot concocted by the elites to destroy rural America. (I’ve still never met a single communist in my life, btw). It’s complicated because many of those public sector jobs are some of the last good jobs in rural communities, jobs with benefits and security and healthcare, all protected by unions. \n\n\nBefore I was born, The town I’m from had a few thriving small manufacturing industries, a healthy downtown shopping district, a community. Then in the 80’s those industries consolidated and the jobs went to other countries. Then the small businesses were squeezed out by Walmart, the restaurants unable to compete with Chili’s Gardens 10 miles away. These companies sent their money to corporate shareholders rather than keeping it local. Now the town is a dry husk, and the only decent jobs are law enforcement, firefighting, or being a criminal. All of the former vibrancy and complexity has been bled out, and now you can either be a criminal or a hero. \n\nHappy or afraid. Ranch dressing or handgun. Criminal or hero. The John Deere strike isn’t covered because we no longer have the language to communicate complexity and subtlety. Do you ever feel like no one understands you? It’s because we use a dying language.", "They rarely cover the side of the strikers though, they rather find some parents to complain how little Jimmy is now at home all day and is getting on their last nerve.", "I'm curious if UAW or John Deere would publish numbers behind median wage of workers striking.", "This is an incredible, transcendent take. Thank you for writing it. It's wild to see unprecedented tools of human manipulation used with game theory and the advertising-industrial complex by completely unscrupulous parties degrade our species this way. I've been thinking of our culture as trying to become a pachinko machine, but the pendulum you illustrate is much more apt. And lots has been said in recent years about what happened to rural America, but as someone with one foot in the hills, I've never seen anyone understand it so fully or extrapolate it so far.", "Sure:\n\n>The UAW endorsed Clinton in 2016 but has said it believes a higher-than-normal 32% of members voted for the Republican candidate. [SOURCE](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-uaw/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-biden-for-president-idUSKCN2232ND)\n\nOther union workers too:\n\n>To rank-and-file members in some unions, especially the building trades, it doesn’t matter. They’re still firmly in Donald Trump’s camp.\n>\n>Labor leaders have worked for months to sell their members on Biden, hoping to avoid a repeat of 2016 when Donald Trump outperformed among union members and won the White House. But despite a bevy of national union endorsements for Biden and years of what leaders call attacks on organized labor from the Trump administration, local officials in critical battleground states said support for Trump remains solid. [SOURCE](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/22/donald-trump-union-support-snub-joe-biden-418329)", "And how teachers get summers off, and don't make minimum wage, so they shouldn't complain.", "Right wingers aren't interested in workers rights and city dwelling left wingers look down on rural blue collar workers", "Wait for real? That just seems negligent.", "100%. I had friends who had to do the mandatory training. I don’t believe it actually happened where Susan from accounting actually climbed a pole in the wild. as the strike was resolved quickly. But the training definitely happened. And they definitely had to pass a physical and afterwards they climbed poles in training.\n\nThis was in NJ about a decade or so ago.", "Follow up, I found an article on it. They actually did climb real poles. Lol.\n\nhttps://qz.com/676556/verizon-is-sending-lawyers-to-climb-telephone-polls-when-its-technicians-go-on-strike/" ]	64	videos	Latest from John Deere workers on strike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y__EdRTjSA&feature=youtu.be	/r/videos/comments/qmtimu/princess_mononoke_dirty_paws/	[ "This was such an epic movie", "I never realised how gruesome it was, so when I first saw it and saw a head fly off a guy I burst out laughing. Its an amazing movie tho!", "This video reminds me of this [classic](https://youtu.be/PBC9sH56KRc), set to Mummer's Dance.", "the ost to princess mononoke is better" ]	4	videos	Princess Mononoke - Dirty Paws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BMIKh65Ec	/r/videos/comments/qmtqlb/why_people_live_in_unfinished_buildings_rotten/	[ "Would love to see the companion video, Why People Live in Tent Cities (just a bunch of fuckin' tents under a bridge) in America?", "On a different but similar note of people living in unfinished buildings, in Cairo you will find building after building where the top floor is unfinished. Rebar sticking up out of concrete unfinished and the central stairwell just going up and out into the air above. It's because taxes are imposed on finished buildings. It's odd to see it on such a large scale but apparently the country has made moves to end this practice and finish buildings.", "You realize there are hundreds, if not thousands, of videos about that, right?\n\nYou're not pointing out some grand conspiracy nor hypocrisy.", "Every fucking china video, the chinese shills come flocking spouting some shit about the US.", "I never knew this! My building was unfinished (for all 4 years I was there) and yup, you could continue climbing the central stairwell up past our floor (the uppermost finished floor) to nothing.", "This is what a bubble looks like. No protection for the little guy. Everything is built on lies. When the bubble bursts the little guys band up and take out all their anger and then we have a revolution.", "I’d take information from this channel and “China Insights” with a grain of salt. These 2 channels popped up recently and have been producing good quality videos negative of China on almost a daily basis. Everything about it just screams well funded propaganda outlets.", "same thing in Peru, I've been told taxes are the reason but I've also heard people say that maybe they want to add another level later.", "> It's because taxes are imposed on finished buildings.\n\nthat is what taxes can do.\n\nfun fact: \nHouses in Amsterdam are very narrow because in Medieval times owners would have to pay for the meter of the facade facing the canals. To avoid paying such high taxes, houses were designed to be narrow yet tall and functional. These buildings tend to be narrow, leaning forward and facing the water", "Learning. High school.", "Fwiw, go look at the comments on any CNN/NBC/notFox news youtube and you'll realize dumb Americans do this too... so they probably aren't shills, just idiots.\n\nWhy pay for what you can get for free?", "Yeah I was in Maadi, like one block over from the school. Pretty convenient." ]	13	videos	Why People Live in Unfinished Buildings (Rotten Ended Buildings) in China?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nnni9JvBi4	/r/videos/comments/qmtvta/the_famous_carrot_in_a_box_game/	[ "Sean Lock was an absolute genius. Such a witty and dry sense of humour. Will be greatly missed.", "RIP Sean Lock. His humor on 8 out of 10 Cats or 8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown always brightened my day.", "Definitely playing carrot in a box tonight with my kids.", "If only one could cheat death. RIP Sean.", "Bloody miss you Sean.", "cursed comment", "Goddamn that was some 8d chess there. Hilarious.", "“I’d like to be a less considerate lover.”", "\"Is that his 'liking it' face?\" \n\n\"You have to ask my wife\"\n\n\"She doesn't know\"\n\nThat is some A+ banter, awesome.", "That's a challenging wank...", "You can't write tears, Jimmy.", "Ew. Stay on topic.", "Earlier this year YT algorithm introduced me to this show via random clips. I had no idea what was going on but was cracking up. Ended up watching every clip I could find and even some full episodes. Sean is one of the funniest people I've ever heard and is sorely missed.", "Retired, reigning champion of Carrot in a Box. Leave when your on top.", "everyone misses the carrot in a box two times champion!", "Best Sean Lock quote.", "He was equally brilliant on QI.", "I was in tears.", "In before confused Americans possibly missing the double entendre of the whole bit", "nah I've never met him", "nōōōōōō~! whyyyyyy! noooooœ... ahhhhhh!", "Oh yeah? Well in America we have shows where people look inside storage garages.", "It's also possible that he knew nothing but, when he saw he had no carrot and realized he wasn't supposed to know, just went all in on the bluff, simply because...well...why wouldn't you?!", "Did they find a carrot? 🙂", "The logic behind the game reminds me of the [\"Battle of the wits\" scene from Princess Bride](https://youtu.be/rMz7JBRbmNo).", "There isn't a laugh track. Also, yes it's funny for British people. Maybe even for non-British people, I wouldn't know.", "If by carrot, you mean meth lab. Then yes", "Fuck when did he die?!", "As a non British person can confirm this is funny", "Couple months back now.", "Damm you 2021!!!!", "Watching his \"8 Out Of 10\" highlights on YouTube got me through some really dark days during the pandemic. \n\n\nThanks, Mr. Lock. For everything.", "A shame we never got him on Taskmaster, he would've been hilarious.", "Fuck, you just reminded me", "The best part of 8oo10cdc wasn't Joe Wilkerson's poem about naming strangers penises, it was Sean's reaction to that poem.", "We used to have tons of panels shows back in the early days of TV. Idk what happened or precisely when but it fell out of favor HARD at some point. Not sure if it was like that in the UK but they just stayed popular or something.", "there are loads of full episodes on youtube.", "There’s The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show and then there’s Carrot in a Box. Take your pick, they’re both equally important.", "Probably would've been the only person more utterly chaotic than Rhod...", "[Don’t forget the rematch!](https://youtu.be/Bp04HZDCELw)", "Sean Lock: undefeated carrot in a box champion. \n\nI honestly think that Sean nearly killed Claudia Winkleman through laughing in [this clip.](https://youtu.be/0Q9IRpFGgPY)", "You need to watch more [Doug Stanhope](https://youtu.be/QsPDT5qHtZ4)", "This looks awfully similar to the part of OP's video that starts at around 5:45.", "fucking cancer", "Rip Sean <3", "It's like the game show with the Golden Balls. Same kind of game theory going on.", "Oops so it does. I’ll admit to not watching OP’s video and just assumed it was the first match.\n\nMea culpa.", "\"That's a challenging wank\" will always be my favourite.", "David has said he won't ever go on.\n\n>\"It's a very good show but i don't want to be on it. My feeling is that I'd be shit but not in a funny way. People think maybe I'd be a good sport about it and I don't think people thinking that will increase if I'm on it. It's like I've been asked to be on Celebrity Mastermind because people think I'd be quite good at that. So why would I do it then. All I can do is ruin it by going on it and turning out to be considerably more ignorant than people expect.\"", "Without looking... is it Rectum of the Year?", "we just need to get david doing coke again", "It absolutely is", "Don't want to be a downer... But there's a non-zero chance it was all scripted.", "Seen this 10 times and I never get enough!", "Brilliant show\n\nRIP Sean Locke", "He's also doing Outsiders.\n\nBut I get what he's saying. I love him and his wife, but she's on this season of TM and it doesn't seem to be a good fit for their style of humour.", "Hey does this white powder smell like cocaine to you?", "Let's hear your evidence Sherlock.", "That’s the second time I’ve heard non zero. What are you trying to say?", "Certainly something other than zero... pretty sure of that.", "Can't write them, but I still have them... \n\n:(", "Every time this is posted, I have to watch it again due to the sheer display of brilliance by this man. Hats off to you, sir!", "I think he definitely knew what was going on from the start, because why would he try to reach his hand into an empty box otherwise?", "When he throws that carrot at the back of his head is just gold.", "\"I like to go seal clubbing.\"", "Was that the one were you needed France to bail you out, along with some help from Spain? The one where even though you were on home turf and the opposing army was from a country thousands of miles away with limited forces on US soil, you still needed two foreign powers assistance?\n\nThat war?", "BBHH", "Is this a vegan version of Dr Schrödinger's cogito ergo meow thing?", "I am required to watch this every time it's posted. Thank you kind sir!", "Or would I lie to you, would have loved seeing him on that.", "There's a non-zero chance that you're full of crap.", "https://archive.org/details/@catsdoescountdown", "thats a great mind game reminds me of monty hall.", "yeah i love both of those. \n\nthere are SO many episodes too.", "Who let you out of CC? Get back in your cage.", "[You're in luck!](https://youtu.be/_kH6E2jbnJQ)", "RIP Sean…", "“That’s a challenging wank!” RIP. He brought so much laughter to these shows…", "Oh wow, thanks, thought I'd seen all episodes of wilty but somehow I missed that.", "The sly rolling of the mustache at the end always gets me.", "\"So Sean, if you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?\"\n\n\"Well the front for a start\"", "\"Please stop!\"", "Set the sprinklers off.", "British panel shows are famously known for being unscripted. The host(s) have a general guideline and teleprompter for how the show progresses but everything that happens in-between is off the cuff. It's part of the magic.", "Blocked?", "Never realized that \"seal clubbing\", \"rectum of the year\" and \"challenging wank\" were all during the same episode. Amazing. \n\nThe world really lost a clever guy...", "[and here is the 1080p version from the official channel.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E)", "I'll take those odds.", "I don't know if my recent binge on James Acaster videos has drummed up the algorithm to suggest anything involving jimmy carr, sean locke and jon richardson to everyone but here we are.", "No matter how many times I've seen that and know exactly what is about to be said, I can't help but be forced to wipe away the tears from laughing so much at it.", "I've watched this a bunch of times and I've looked and looked looked for some tell from Sean. One slip of the tongue, a moment of over or underacting, a mili-second of dropping character –anything that would give it away. And there's nothing. Utterly flawless performance.", "but he was supposed to know wasn't he?\n\nThe game is that he looks into the box, knows if he has the carrot or not, and then has to manipulate the other to trade/or not trade the box so he ends up with the carrot\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIf he wasn't supposed to know where the carrot is, the game wouldn't make sense", "Lol dude, I'm not saying it definitely was, just that it might have been... Like some of these formats are.", "at least he went out on top\n\nundefeated", "Yep, and when most of the performers are comedians the result of the game isn't important. They will make it funny regardless.", "Sorry, you're right.\n\nI've seen it so many times that I didn't watch it this time but just did and, well, yeah. You're right. I misremembered.", "Yes, famous, meaning we have all seen it.. multiple times.\n\nSo cool it with the reposting, ok?", "Come on guys, I thought we agreed it was my turn to repost this next.", "No worries, no harm anywhere in sight\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhave a nice weekend", "\"I won't spit on you while we're having sex\"\n\nThat one even brought Jimmy to tears", "You too ;)", "You give them too much acting credit.", "Uhh... That's why it's funny. That's the entire joke. \n\nHe pretended to not know how to play the game, to make Jon think he had the carrot, so Jon would swap the box.\n\nAnd it worked.", "UK really benefits from a close knit comedy scene that just doesn't really exist in the same way in the USA. \n\nThere's nowhere in the UK that's more than a 1 hour flight, or a 8 hour drive from London. When you factor in places where rich people actually want to live in the UK (as many of these comedians are rich) that comes down to like a 2 hour drive basically. \n\nHaving all the UK's best comedy talent, no more than a 2 hour drive from London where all the filming for these shows take place, is a huge advantage and means there's never a lack of talent.\n\nAlso, the circuit is so small in geographical size that the comedy scene is close knit. Everyone will have met everyone, over the years. Lots will have gone to the same unis as each other (Cambridge/Oxford creates a lot of comedians).. So you get a chum like banter going between them.\n\nThe US is too big for it to work, and the comedy scene doesn't work in the same way. It's just hard to make these kinds of comedy panel shows work. \n\nAn exception would be whose line (a UK import), however the majority of the talent doesn't change each week which allows them to have that familiar banter with each other.", "What a pleasant exchange.", "I love his style of humor. Great Dry wit is so unusual these days. Most people don’t get it, or understand it. But this guy was a master in it.", "Yep, absolutely brilliant. Good old English dry humour!", "This should be a new xmas tradition", "Except there would be a carrot in both boxes.", "I didn’t even know he was sick", "The episode where he eats a ton of welks is an all-time great for me.", "Maybe, maybe not... Eh... Oh well, I have far too many karma points anyway, I doubt minus however many that is up there makes much difference.", "Evidence for what? I didn't claim anything.", "Non-zero = \"might be a small chance\".\n\nEg: if you flip a coin there's a non-zero chance it'll land on its edge and be neither heads nor tails.", "[Mirror - Carrot in a Box](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E)\n\n[Bonus - Carrot in a Box Rematch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw)", "And the undefeated champion of carrot in a box. Rip Sean.", "I mean you don't need to know the exact rules to know how to be deceptive in a game of deception: He saw no carrot, so he acted like there was one because that was most likely going to be his job.", "I’ll always miss the way he would spit on me during sex.", "RIP", "I'm usually the first person to stand up and cry out \"fake!\".\n\n\nHowever in this case... Nope. The emotions on display are incredibly genuine, these guys would have to be absolutely amazing actors to fake them, and they're not actors at all; they're well-known comedians.\n\n\n\nAlso, this was filmed in front of a live studio audience (you can see them in a couple of the shots). It's not like they had the opportunity to do multiple takes, the audience would get bored and stop laughing. So to be faking the scene and doing it perfectly on the first try... they'd have to be like the best actors ever.", "Definitely, but his monologue earlier in the same episode about [\"biggest achievement in life\"](https://youtu.be/0Q9IRpFGgPY?t=80) might be his ultimate funniest bit. Made even funnier by Claudia losing it completely sitting next to him.", "I think people have jumped on me for saying \"Non-zero\" a little bit too much.", "Claudia makes everything funnier, even though I don't think she's the best comedian herself, because her laugh is so contagious.", "Lol, I actually just saw the opportunity for an amusing comment and took it.\n\n\n\nYou're right that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it is staged. However, it does seem incredibly unlikely (why stage what is easier to do honestly?) and I think people are probably just especially upset considering Sean Lock's recent passing.\n\n\nDude was a much-loved comedian and it does seem a little insulting to his memory to suggest that one of the highlights of his career might be fake.", "Undefeated champ", "You're overthinking it, these shows are planned out and not spontaneous like they pretend.", "Is \"Carrot In A Box\", euphemism for something?\n\nSerious question!" ]	131	videos	The Famous Carrot in a Box Game
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qmvt6q/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qmvt6q/deleted_by_user/	[ "uhhhh....\n\ncringey, but also who cares that she’s middle aged and cis and white? the title and fact that this was posted are maybe worse than the video itself.", "I think the lady herself titled her own video this way.", "y to the ikes", "That’s her own title. Her entire channel seems to be purposely cringey like that.\n\nI am totally reaching here but this feels like what happens when those annoying but kinda hot girls stop being hot but they still need the attention. So they just crank up the annoying part." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgqmb3F58pU	/r/videos/comments/qmwntj/northern_lights_over_norther_alberta_early_this/	[ "Amazing", "So cool, I really want to see that in person one day.\n\nBy the way you should keep an eye out. I heard a cougar roar in the video.", "haha lol", "I wish one day to witness it with my own eyes. Incredible!", "Duuuuuuuud...", "yeah...that's how I felt lol", "Headphone warning!", "Imagine what people thought a couple hundred years ago when they saw this happening in the sky?", "Probably the same thing I thought when I'd see them as a little kid and not understand what they were.", "There’s something majestic about it. Thanks for sharing!", "The day you do you will cry. I know I did. Wept like a fucking baby in pure awe.", "It's fucking incredible. I lived in Prince George for 10 years and saw it a couple of times (never anything like this) but it was in the form of these bright green streaks that would flash across the sky at a bazzilion km an hour. It made me feel so small...", "It's pretty cool. It makes you feel very small in the universe. Mad that I missed them last night but I saw them last week. They're not usually this active though.", "Oh my!!! I would REALLY like to see some of these before I die." ]	14	videos	Northern Lights over Norther, Alberta early this morning
https://youtu.be/V66AmDL17nw	/r/videos/comments/qmwrha/20_years_of_war_has_a_cost_this_is_it_jon_stewart/	[ "...And then it cuts off before the veterans. Nice.", "How about instead of paying benefits to the people who signed up to go and victimise people abroad for the benefit of Wall Street we pay benefits to the Iraqis that suffered at their hands? But who am I kidding, to a liberal Iraqis are probably not even people.", "Wtf? The US has already paid over $3 billion to the people of Iraq. Stop smoking crack", "Don't cut yourself on all that edge, kid.", "I mean they are an ass but let's be real the United States was blowing up way more then that on a monthly basis, even if you don't include whatever the cost of a human life might be.", "Nah that shit is only for the poors", "I understand where you're coming from. That these burn pit victims are THE cost of 20 years of war is a very insular point of view. I'm sure Jon didn't really mean it that way though. In any case all victims of war should be supported (or by preference there shouldn't be war...)", "Lol, being angry at what the US did to Iraq makes me an edge lord. Talk about being brain dead.", "Cool, I guess I should support murdering people abroad like all the cool kids!", "I'm an ass? I never killed an Iraqi. As a matter of fact I never killed anyone. But I guess that makes me a lesser person to Americans.", "$3 billion to their corrupt puppet government after they had their families killed and lives destroyed. What a bargain!", "It's not the being angry, that part is rational. It's the way you presented it, as if one group's suffering is worse, therefore it excludes the other group that is suffering less. They are both suffering, so how about we take care of both groups instead of marginalizing one.", "Crocodile tears.\n\nJon Stewart worked for Comedy Central and could have used the Daily Show to push to stop war. Instead, he helped wipe out the anti-war left by subverting his fans into simply attacking FOX and forgetting the war was going on.\n\nComedy Central is owned by Viacom who is one of the big 5 network owning media giants along with Disney, Newscorp, Warner, etc..\n\nViacom owns CBS, Comedy Central, BET, MTV, Nickelodeon, Paramount, and more. They have an insane amount of influence over left leaning viewers the same way Newscorp took over pandering to right wing viewers.\n\nI like Jon Stewart as an entertainer but the reality is that the media helped sell a 20 year war and sold out the anti-war left by subverting youth activism via mainstream entertainment and the corporate appropriation of the journalism industry.\n\nIt's so easy for him to stand at the podium and lecture the government to do something like health care access and pay for burn pit victims but where was he when countless Iraqis and Afghan people were getting killed or tortured in secret prisons or growing up with deformities due to depleted uranium?", "I don't know enough about Stewart to say if he's being genuine now but 20 years is a long time to self-reflect. And he appears to have enough intelligence to examine his actions and opinions and make changes. \n\nSo while my first thought was \"oh he's going for the veteran angle now\", I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I know more.", "Yeah, let's just have the US government total control of Iraq, remove the government and create new laws for them because that'll totally work!", "Stewart having a change of heart doesn't really matter.\n\nThere's a reason why all the big studios are able to make their own streaming hubs now even though it's completely anti-consumer. They sided with the military around the Gulf War to subvert left leaning anti-war youth by taking over the media and absorbing the journalism industry so that when 911 happened, people didn't stop them.\n\nFOX News started in 96 right after the FCC wiped out 70 year old anti-monopoly laws which led to the media being monopolized by the big companies who then used guys like Stewart, Maher, O'Reilly, Olbermann etc to push the partisan divide between Americans that the media and military has exploited since.\n\nStewart couldn't give his honest opinion if he tried. He'd get fired.", "I love that you're basically defending colonialism. Just proving the fact that indeed, liberalism is a mental disorder.", "Lmao you are the one who wants the US government to intervene on Iraqi people instead of their own government.", "Wait, are you telling me that you completely missed the part that we've been aggressively fucking with Iraq for at least 50 years?", "Except one group is suffering because these people signed up to go victimise them for money. Veterans had a choice, Iraqis didn't. So spare me the lecture already.", "And you want the US government to continue with that? Nice logic", "Just what we need, more celebrity presidents. That's historically worked out REALLY well for us hasn't it", "I think the points you're making don't deserve to be downvoted. And I more or less agree with your interpretation or perspective.\n\nI was just putting out the possibility that Stewart had a change of heart. I don't know if he has or not. And it's a good point to make that maybe it doesn't even matter.", "Forget the hundreds... of thousands... of innocent people killed by our military. Nahh... it's the poor soldiers people helping them die.", "Why is this tagged as a spoiler tho", "Less bot scrutiny.", "They didn’t ask to go.", "He personally fought for over 10 years to ensure that the 9/11 first responders fund got and stayed funded.", "Change is hard for some people to understand. Even edgy teenyboppers.", "Being an ass just means you're probably incapable of being diplomatic. Id say in this instance there's nothing wrong with that and you have the moral right, but you won't convince anyone who does not already agree with you.", "Yes, I want the US government to reimburse every victim or the war in Iraq and then fuck off out of the middle east.", "I should learn the diplomatic skills of murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis obviously.", "Thanks, I didn't know that. That's commendable. Another point in the genuine direction then.", "I mean speaking persuasively can have it's benefits.", "Is it going to resurrect the dead? Is it going to undo the last 20 years of abuses of the War on Terror? Because having a polite discussion about merits of imperialism and war crimes is about as productive as the discussion we're having here at this very moment.", "Who was having a discussion about the merits of imperialism? I never defended it or the invasion. For what it's worth I agree with you 100%. Possibly even more then that. But if you want to make the chud wonder you can't attack them too start. They are reactionaries, they live up to their namesake.", "One of the very few political commentators that actually puts his money where his mouth is and does significant political activism.", "The Marine Corp's F-35B jump jets cost $9.1 million per year, $2.3 million over budget. And the U.S. Navy's F-35C jets cost $9.9 million annually—$2.4 million over budget.\n\nwouldn't it be great if we ordered just one less to help these veterans?\n\nbut hey crazy idea huh.\n\nI don't know how many we order every year but think the good we could do if we just ordered one less to help these vets.", "Yes, we need to be kind to chuds. I'm sure this time they will take our arguments seriously.", "I am all for dumping the F-35 to help pay for it.", "Not what I said", "You do know, that of the hundreds of thousands of people deployed at any time, a tiny percentage swing pipes." ]	42	videos	'20 Years Of War Has A Cost, This Is It': Jon Stewart Advocates For Action For Burn Pit Victims
https://youtu.be/CLjqGwo5QaA	/r/videos/comments/qmxp4w/superblocks_will_make_cities_more_livable/	[ "I shudder thinking about how bad of a deal this is for local business owners inside the superblock.", "It's just salty cyclists trying to convince everyone to go Soviet superblock so everyone's stuck in a little box and limited to mass transit. Like them. Density is massively expensive. Like Barcelona. Barcelona is expensive AF due to \"the superblocks\". They never mention the cost of living in these car free cities.", "I'm gonna say it, and eat the downvote. I hate it.", "Superblocks were first developed by the United States in the thirties, so ease of with your tepid red scare nonsense.\n\nBarcelona went to superblocks in 2016, which were pretty easy (inexpensive) to implement due to the large regular blocks the city already had. Aside from general inflation, I haven't noticed the city being that much more expensive than it was pre-2016. Care to elaborate on how Barcelona became more expensive due to superblocks?", "Yes. I live in a city that bulldozed housing for Superblocks. We've since removed almost all of them as the density and lack of traffic caused them to lose value and become crime centers. Removing the density and spreading out the housing with green spaces and reconnecting the grid fixed the problem. \n\nhttps://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Spain&city1=Barcelona&country2=Spain&city2=Valencia\n\nValencia, next door. No superblocks. Cheaper. And Barna is laid out in such an odd way south of the Diagonal so it's a unique thing for them to cut access off as thier giant block layouts were already superblocks well before 2016. \n\nThe rest of the city can't do that. \n\nI've been to both. Pretty familiar with Barna. The massive metro system is what allowed the superblocks.\n\nAny city highlighted as a car-free paradise is ALWAYS more to live in. Tokyo, London, Paris, Manhattan...Amsterdam. \n\nShow me a cheap car free city.", ">Show me a cheap car free city.\n\n...Kandahar?", "I thought the US left them a bunch of cars? I know the have a lot of Toyota HiLux's in Afghanistan.", "A lot of older cities have decent light rail systems and public transit but most north American cities were shifted by the oil industry into being car centric and our planning has stayed that way consistently since fairly recently when they've pushed to switch people back over to public transit by punishing drivers and making these goofy plans to change cities which really only benefit developers and the wealthy.", "Judge Dredd has covered superblocks. \n\nMuch like the cursed earth and street judges, they are a bad idea.", "why?", "The HiLux is like the cockroach and Coca Cola in that it will be the very last thing to die.\n\nIf there are only HiLuxs left, that's a problem.", "London is v expensive but doesn't have any superblocks that I know of? At least not many. Lots of cars in London, and many pedestrianisation schemes have failed. Even in ancient parts with many narrow winding streets cars can use them.", "What's the deal with this voice? Is it a voice over or something?", "How would it screw small businesses? These superblocks will have loads of shops, cafes, pubs and restaurants as people will hang out there. As its a one large \"street\" essentially. \nI can only see your point if you are from states where ability to drive a car is a major factor to get out, enjoy food etc. But in general all those buildings are already full of people living in them so making streets more people friendly should make it better for all street level businesses. \nI mean I could be totally wrong as I am no city planner though so take it with a bucket of salt.", "The cities where superblock planning has been embraced wholeheartedly (cough mainland China) become soulless, uncomfortable and actually MORE car centric than cities with traditional small walkable blocks. \n\nImagine if the only way to walk or bike somewhere is along a massively congested, loud, polluted 6-8 lane avenue. From personal experience, it is not a comfortable place to walk. \n\nAnd since the superblock design pushes all streetside businesses onto a relatively few major avenues, rents rise and only banks and major brands and chains can afford it. Charming niche stores almost completely disappear since there are no cheap side street retail locations.\n\nEdit:. I'm referring to actual superblock planning where huge developments are made into compounds where only the residents (and their visitors) may enter. I'm not referring to this newer concept of \"superblocks\" being just pedestrian (and bike) only zones.", "Belgian city in which I live has made changes that are very similar to this and all I can say is that through the years pretty much every small family business has disappeared and traffic around the superblock has turned into a vile congested mess.", "America is an irradiated wasteland. Within it lies a city, outside the boundary walls a desert, a cursed earth. Inside the walls, a cursed city, stretching from Boston to Washington D.C. An unbroken concrete landscape. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the megastructures of the new one. Megablocks, Megahighways, Megacity One. Convulsing, choking, breaking under its own weight. Citizens in fear of the street, the gun, the gang. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos. The men and women of The Hall of Justice - Juries, Executioners, Judges[.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcoOqGKFi8)", "As the video mentioned, he does a whole video on that as well! It's really good", "How would it be bad?", "God damn cyclist spam", "All the internal foot traffic this generates is fantastic for local business", "Lolz. I don't even cycle. I just like being able to enjoy city centers. But you keep shaking your fist and stay mad bby.", "Yeah, believe it or not, sometimes there’s a person speaking in a video and you can’t even see them! It’s nuts.\n\nJust joking with you, but what’s the problem with the voice?", "I don't know, sounds like robot or something freaking me out.", "London has tolling to enter London. There's now a surcharge on all deliveries.", "\"Density is expensive\" is a simple way of explaining it. Up costs more than out due to gravity.", "What is the internal people needs something else?", "Density is expensive.", "It's cyclist spam.", "Please refer to the comment made by /u/Beardlessface and you will see exactly why I believe this to be a dumb idea made by stupid people.", "Please refer to the comment made by /u/Beardlessface and you will see exactly why I believe this to be a dumb idea made by stupid people.", "Only the centre, and there are still lots of cars and vans everywhere, still feels v busy as pedestrian or cyclist" ]	32	videos	Superblocks will make cities more livable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR4GDrBz8VM	/r/videos/comments/qmy73q/early_american_fabric_dye_townsends/	[ "I love townsends. This channel help me get through a rough part of quarantine last year. His channel is so inspiring and interesting.", "/r/WatchPeopleDye", "/r/angryupvote", "Pretty sure you could roll your clothes in dirt and get the same result.", "That was Townsends, they grow trees, and then cuts them down, and then colours things with them. Brilliant, marvellous.", "a whitish yellow. the Wall - Nut - Dye" ]	6	videos	Early American Fabric Dye - Townsends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzO50w2JK4	/r/videos/comments/qn01j3/cowboy_bebop_pierrot_le_fou_flashback/	[ "Such a good show!!", "This is probably my favorite episode. So dark but so well told", "I think it was actually the very first episode of Bebop I caught on Adult Swim way back in 2001. Such a great side story with so much horror and tragedy.", "~~She's very talented but this song sounds very similar to this song~~\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sUyk5zSbhM\n\nedit: turns out it's a cover! whoops", "That was the first cowboy bebop episode I watched. I was also around 7-8 so as you can imagine it gave me nightmares for a couple days", "man this guy looks like a scooby doo 2 villain in the trailer but i hope they capture how absurd and crazy he is", "Thanks for the share but no English dubs plz!", "Just thought you'd barge into the /r/video comments and start to gate keep anime lol?\n\nYou know the Japanese dub western media too right?", "Lol yes. Fannin’ the flames of conflict! Team sub 4ever! Take my karma, illiterates, I make valid comments like every single day!", " Sorry, I can't read your response as I am illiterate.", "Seriously though, dubs are for people who have weak reading and comprehension skills.", "Heard the music for this in my head before it actually played. Such an epic scene and episode.", "Don't be such a fuckin weeb", "How about you give respect to the producers of the art you love, simpleton.", "Some anime are fine with english dubs and makes more sense, like why should I watch an anime supposed to be about people with german last names in California in japanese?", "This comment is double hilarious because bebop is one of the few anime that are actually better dubbed" ]	16	videos	Cowboy Bebop - Pierrot Le Fou Flashback
https://youtu.be/JjuzLr47pxc	/r/videos/comments/qn0sdv/tyler_the_creator_on_black_cartoon_characters/	[ "Tyler real live the GOAT", "Off the top of my head Cleveland Brown and his family make up 5 people.\n\nAlso his cartoon already cancelled after only 2 seasons.", "Carl from the Simpsons, Dr. Hibbert, Static Shock and his family, Cyborg from teen titans, Brock from Pokemon, Cleveland from Family Guy. Not none but there are a few.", "BROCK?\n\nBrock. From. Pokemon.\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/x2v0uRZ.jpeg", "One of his parents have to be black." ]	5	videos	Tyler, the Creator on black cartoon characters
https://youtu.be/XSELNkLSdfM	/r/videos/comments/qn195j/are_you_gay_no_i_sell_propane/	[ "...Gen'lemen.", "Lol one of my all-time favorite lines from the show", "One of my favorite lines", "I just started (for about the 100th time) from ep1 the other night. King of The Hill is one of the few shows that always makes me happy. Will always be my favorite.", "I miss this being the mainstream conservative reaction to progressive attitudes. \"I don't understand this, so I'm just going to politely remove myself from the situation.\" is much better than crying, freaking out, and trying to make it illegal.", "I think you've got it backwards. Trying to make it illegal was the old way of doing things. Nowadays the refrain on the right is \"Please just leave me and mine alone\".", "I want to live in my dream country", "Wow, coward made an alt just to post this racist ass garbage.", "Tell that to the people being sued for daring to have control over their body in Texas.", "Well that's not so much a matter of government intrusion into people's personal choices any more than the law prohibiting my neighbor from shooting me in the face is an intrusion into his personal choices. \n\nNo matter how libertarian your politics, I don't know of anyone who wants to allow extrajudicial killing of babies. The only debate is what constitutes a baby.", "oh look politics", "Nah not much has changed, it's just 'out there' on social media more" ]	15	videos	Are you gay? No, i sell propane!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyU7I-rbS08	/r/videos/comments/qn2lya/petting_kookaburras/	[ "Find him sitting on the old gum tree?", "Merry merry King of the bush is he", "those kookaburras are delightful\n\nare they wild?", "I wish I had some of those birds in my life.", "The sound like dinosaurs.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nOr do dinosaurs sound like birds?", "Careful, they were eyeing your fingers like big juicy worms.", "wild but used to being fed. They wouldn't let you get that close unless they were expecting food.", "Birds are weird the more I think about them", "Birds are dinosaurs.", "Now we know what jurassic park would sound like!", "I don't know but now I'm picturing a T-Rex doing a [Kookaburra call](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqdRQxgtZtI) and it's a fun thought.", "Best we can do in the US is blue jays. They're clever enough to be tricked into landing on people and petted. If you have the peanuts for it.", "Think about em long enough and you’ll realize they’re not real", "I didn’t know kookaburra were real, i thought it was some nonsense made up for this song that I must have heard at least a few hundred times in my youth.", "Sandhill cranes are my favorite Dino birds. They look and sound like pterodactyls.", "🤯", "Kookaburras have so much personality, and they are fearless. I used to see them bashing snakes against the branches of trees all the time in the bush.", "For the last one, the tail looked like a mammal tail. Maybe a beaver tail.", "Ugh I love kooks so much!! I wish we had them in the states.", "Kookaburra skulks in the old gum tree...\n\nKilling all the people he can see...\n\nWAIT!!! Kookaburra, wait!..\n\nKookaburra spare my life oh please...", "Laugh Kookaburra! Laugh Kookaburra!", "That last one and the acceptance of how nice it feels.", "Just like giraffes.", "\"Is that your girlfriend's feather?\"", "God damn guineafowl yelling in the background", "I was expecting a video like [this](https://youtu.be/grEzfBm1hSM)", "The fact they just have frickin' holes in the sides of their heads instead of ears didn't tip you off?", "They don't make sense because they aren't real. Birds. Aren't. Real.", "/r/birdsarentreal", "Aww, I want one of them in my garden", "Nah they are super loud", "cheeky boi was nice", "Gay your wife must be.", "Perfection.", "There was a show on TV with Chris Packham and he imagined dinosaurs like T Rex having a low pitched boom like a bittern. Was quite cool.\n\n[Here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dGYpx7TkoQ)", "The most irritating meme on the internet" ]	37	videos	Petting Kookaburras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug0Mc94Ye1I	/r/videos/comments/qn3189/an_anime_on_netflix_called_great_pretender_uses/	[ "I also wanna point out a few things.\n\n1: The song used is the Special edition of the song (which you hear in both the music video and in the anime) You can hear the differences in both the videos below\n\nMusic video\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRjFWDGs1g\n\nSolo Album\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBiN2OoNJI\n\n2: The song was also used as it's trailer for the anime confirming the song will be used throughout the anime ending. For all 24 Episodes. The ending hasn't change in any region and is available to watch on netflix. Trailer below.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmr5XmAzcRU\n\n3: If you go to the Music video of Great Pretender Sung by Freddy. If you turn on CC. The only available CC is Japanese.", "It's also a really great anime. They did something pretty clever with the English dubs in the first episode.", "Watched it with subs what did I miss? Care to explain?", "If you watch with English dubs the first episode while they are in Japan the characters are still speaking Japanese. Only when they do arrive in America does it switch over to English. In the show the MC gets made fun of for his English accent so it’s more relatable when you see his Japanese to his English. You won’t get to see that side of you watch Subs only. As a Dub watcher I was freaking out because the English audio was turned on but Japanese was still being spoken. Watch it so you can see what I mean." ]	4	videos	An anime on Netflix Called "Great Pretender" Uses the song "Great Pretender" Sung by Freddie Mercury. The cat's in the video are based on Freddie's Cats. Delilah being the main one in the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvGKxDlXgvQ	/r/videos/comments/qn3dpb/old_man_parks_his_car/	[ "It's after 1 am and I just watched this lol. That guy's house is ridiculous. Why does he put up with that shit?", "He's a Sim", "That is literally jiberish", "He’s Welsh.", "Flemish.", "Finally an actual use for Hyundai's \"Smart Park\" feature: \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBvkmWDjsYc", "I’m sorry. It sounds very similar to Welsh.\nI’ve learned there are a number of Flemish settlers in wales too." ]	7	videos	Old man parks his car
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn3vwc/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qn3vwc/deleted_by_user/	[ "Still lame", "all fairness, Zuckerberg was all in on \"metaverse\" long before their transition to Meta- metaverse was the very reason FB bought Oculus so it's been on their radar for quite some time.\n\nTLDR- metaverse is still stupid.", "\"Pitching the metaverse\"? No, they were explaining it.\n\nThe Wikipedia page for Metaverse goes back to 2005, and [here's a paper from 2003](https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/769953.769967) talking about it.\n\nFrom the [second version of the Wikipedia Metaverse page](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metaverse&oldid=10079117) \\- back in 2005:\n\n>The Metaverse, a phrase coined by Neal Stephenson's science fiction \nnovel Snow Crash (1992), permeates ruling-class activities, and \nconstitutes Stephenson's vision of how a virtual reality-based Internet \nmight evolve in the near future.\n\nFacebook didn't invent the Metaverse, they're just trying to cash in on the Metaverse.", "They acquired oculus in 2014 for those not in the know. It’s honestly pretty smart by them to get in front of this, because it’s obvious we’re heading toward a tighter marriage between the physical and digital world. However, the concept of a metaverse has been around for a long time now, and Mark Zuckerberg is merely highjacking it and presenting it as his own conception.\n\nI disagree that the metaverse concept is stupid though, only Facebook’s brand of it. It’s natural progression. Web 3.0 is emerging now, the ‘internet of things’ (IoT) is gradually datafying the objects in our physical world, and blockchain technology is providing us a means for digital asset ownership. Whether you think this evolution is stupid or not doesn’t matter, because in 15 years it’s going to be ubiquitous, and as normal as the internet is today.", "All of these people suck ass", "What I noticed is that every promise has already been made before. Zuck was like \"metaverse will be great because <insert list of reasons the internet is great> and you can experience <insert thing second life offered>\"\n\nIt's not like people aren't living that way because no one thought of it.", "It's Web 4.0, with a cooler name for marketing reasons.", "Mark Zuckerberg is the mark Zuckerberg of the theft world", ">in 15 years it’s going to be ubiquitous\n\nThat has been said about VR internet for 30yrs.\n\nIt might eventually happen, but it is counter to the current trend of the internet becoming more bite-sized and casual using phones and other non-pc devices.\n\nI have had a Vive Pro since it came out. VR is an event. Even if the act of entering a VR experience was streamlined and easy, it is still a stark isolation from reality.\n\nJust because an experience is more immersive and technically \"better\", doesn't guarantee it will become the new standard. Rich people put in home theater rooms and still end up watching most movies while sitting on their living room couch or on the bedroom TV.\n\nI love the cyberpunk aspect, and thought I would be obsessed with VR when I was getting in to it. I am still far more likely to play a game or watch a movie on my regular monitors rather than put on the headset. If I was single i'd likely use it more, one of the main hesitations is the isolation from everyone else around. That being said, it doesn't really get any more use when I'm by myself. \n\nAll of that doesn't even touch on the motion sickness aspect. A decent percentage of the population would have a miserable time forcing themselves to get their \"VR legs\". I am pretty resistant, but even I have to take a break after a while of constant use when I feel the first hints of symptoms.", "Guy with a net-worth of $3B:\n\n\"I think a good example of the metaverse would be Fortnite\".\n\nFucking kill me.", "Yeah, how about 1992 suckas? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash#Metaverse", "Woah...you're not kidding", "You really want to die? Right now the best version of the meta verse is probably Roblox", "Companies like Facebook don't do well because they necessarily had new ideas: it's because they implemented the idea better or were more ruthless in business or just had better luck.\n\nMicrosoft made smart phones before Apple did. But Microsoft implemented them badly, Apple did a better job.\n\nMySpace launched before Facebook. Facebook did it better.\n\nThe idea of the metaverse has been around even before Snow Crash, it just didn't have that name. But nobody has implemented it well enough for it to catch on mainstream.", "Metaverse is not just VR, it’s augmented reality, holography and even traditional screens. It’s just a merging of the physical world with the digital world", "If these guys were the inventors of the Metaverse, they’d have invented the Metaverse", "I thought it is web 3.0?", "https://youtu.be/7cBiyWlYous", "https://youtu.be/7cBiyWlYous", "The entire idea of the metaverse has been pitcjec by science fiction long before any of these guys. They are making some revolutionary idea here, they all just have the money and influence to build it.\n\nThe actual term was coined in 1992, by auther Neal Stephenson, in his book \"Snow Crash\". But thing like the Star Trek Holodecks, are sort of similar, and are even before that. And I am sure similar concepts go back even further.", "What a buzz phrase. That is all aspirational marketing word salad without a practical roadmap on why people will choose to change the way they interact with the internet. AR hyped up once and then promptly went away. If it follows the VR progression, it will probably have a few more cycles of that before having a chance at being something. Holography? Just because something is cool and futuristic, doesn't make it useful for the general public. Even if the engineering difficulties all disappear, what reasons will push holographs out of niche use cases and probably advertising? \n\nI'm not being a wet blanket on the concept of a more visceral internet experience. I don't doubt it will happen eventually. I just think it will be incremental and organic, not forced. 15yrs is really fast to not just insist everything will be available, but will be ubiquitous. We are at 5yrs on pretty damn good VR and it has yet to take off as an everyday product. AR and holo barely have any consumer instances, much less an established industry.", "Nah we're at the tail end of web 3.0 now. APIs, integration, web services, cloud collaboration etc etc. Web 2.0 was around 2005ish. Social networks, live data, rah rah rah. \n\nI mean none of it is anything, it's just buzz word garbage, but that's kinda it.", "> That is all aspirational marketing word salad without a practical roadmap on why people will choose to change the way they interact with the internet.\n\nThere is a roadmap. You just didn't look into it and are now assuming the lack thereof. \n\nInfact, you didn't look into how the tech is evolving at all, did you? If you did, you would know that VR/AR are merging, that the interfaces will evolve into something faster and more convenient than phones, and that they will be ideal computing devices as they mature.", "Speaking as someone who uses and really likes VR -- nothing you claimed has been proved out or even demonstrated satisfactorily. It is not even clear that there aren't insurmountable (in the short to medium term at least) physical limits that would preclude the ergonomic form factors you are imagining (to say nothing of the economic limits).", "> It is not even clear that there aren't insurmountable (in the short to medium term at least) physical limits that would preclude the ergonomic form factors you are imagining (to say nothing of the economic limits).\n\nWe've seen a sunglasses display system prototype for VR before. Granted, you will need to add cameras and a battery and so on, but paper thin optics are a proven thing.", "You are getting a little zealous for me.\n\nGood for you in being enthusiastic about something. Hope it all comes to pass in a way everyone wins.", "Things being stupid doesn't mean they won't be wildly successful. Look at Facebook.", "People are hating on the metaverse reveal because it's Zuck. \n\nBut looking past Zuck and Facebook, its pretty interesting to me. There are some really cool possibilities with virtual spaces", "The only interesting part of this is that these billionaire twins are doing business with some other twins (company is now valued at around 1 Billion) whose surname is Cock Foster.\n\nI'm yet to be convinced that NFTs are anything but fools gold.", "Why are they wearing NASA tops? They seem like top grade billionaire douches.", "They were clearly talking about the concert example in Fortnite, and used Fortnite as an example since everybody knows it.", "Op what gives you the idea that you understand the timeline here? it's painfully evident that you didn't know anything about the metaverse before Facebook announced it or at very most these twins 6 months prior.", "This makes me want to step into an industrial meat grinder.", "why do you think so", "I thought Web 2.0 was supposed to be the semantic web", "Winklevi is the only way to refer to them. \n\nAnd why are they always referenced as twins? Are they not individuals?", "Crypto is a cult and NFTs+metaverse is literally just decentralized microtransactions. No thanks. I'm sure I'm one of many people who's completely turned off by this and doesn't see the utility in my life. If I'm going to use any virtual world at all, the users will have the freedom to use whatever assets they want, not restricted by which ones they have 'purchased.'", "I think the idea of people owning their own digital media that they can share without relinquishing the rights is a good thing.", "Billionaire class", "You're right, he's making stuff up.", "Yea, these guys have basically always been douchenozzles who seem to think that taking some well-known idea, and pitching it, somehow makes them genius.\n\nIt's all in execution. Nobody needs an idea man. Ideas are cheap.", "So?", "People don't like them.", "\"Solving the digital scarcity problem\" is where it lost me. The fact you can't easily create scarcity is the BENEFIT not the PROBLEM you jerks. I don't WANT rich people milking more money out of the masses by artificially raising the cost of production of digital content!\n\nBlech.", "Isn't that a bit prejudiced? Hating an entire group of people just for having a lot of money?", "That's web 3.0. APIs and integration", "Minecraft", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web\n\nYou go ahead and tell Tim Berners Lee that he's wrong as well then.", "Send help I’m trapped in a cult lmao", "It's 1 person moving really fast between two positions.", "Two born rich white guys decide they are going to determine the fate of the economy via internet by inventing, identifying and developing terms and concepts about the future of banking and the human experience. They're douche bags, but at least they're not as bad as Zuckerberg. Anyways, by selling the concepts in the form of apps to their -- one can only assume -- familial connections to the banking world and providing basic infrastructure for their online financial ideas to work, they are cementing themselves as powerful and prescient figures in the financial world. Preying on the consumers in the younger generation's addictions to social media and addicting video game patterns, and their partners in the older generation's lack of understanding of the internet or crypto finance, the two brothers intend to rise to Bezosian heights so they can finally get laid, like Jeff, and maybe also go to space.", "To be fair, they aren't claiming it as their idea, they're claiming they're working towards making it happen.", "There isn't any video that hasn't made NFTs sound like some weird scam....\n\nThese people look fucking creepy too.", "lol I did my thesis on the semantic web and ontology based data sharing way back in 2005. What a waste of time that turned out to be", "TBL is wrong about this. I did my post-grad thesis on this, bought into the whole idea about it etc. It's never gonna happen, not the way TBL wants/wanted it anyway. It relies upon too many parties agreeing on this stuff without any real drive or force behind it.", "Less about rich = bad, more about how many people were and are continuously being exploited to achieve and maintain a billionaire status.", "I see the future of the metaverse being Apple vs. Facebook in the same way that it's iOS vs. Android and macOS vs Windows.\n\nThere are already rumors of Apple releasing their new VR/AR glasses or goggles next year or so. If so, we'll be seeing a competitive tech cold war of two metaverses soon. \n\nStrange times ahead...", "Those 2 will surely be competing but the best metaverse will be open, decentralized and blockchain based" ]	58	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/GG7fLOmlhYg	/r/videos/comments/qn3x8g/smoking_out_the_window_anderson_paak_bruno_mars/	[ "This is gonna be the album of the year.", "Anderson Paak is so fuckin' cool.", "Gotta love those Bruno Mars low camera angles", "Leave The Door Open- Instant Classic \n\nSkate- Good \n\nSmoking Out The Window- Instant Classic", "My most anticipated album of this year.", "Just listen to the artist that created this music over 50 years ago", "His music is extremely derivative if you are even remotely familiar with classic R&B", "No shit. Its not like he's trying to portray this album as anything but an ode to classic R&B. Even Bootsy Collins is executive producing the album." ]	10	videos	Smoking Out the Window - Anderson Paak, Bruno Mars, Silk Sonic
https://youtu.be/1BUaMbxIBDQ	/r/videos/comments/qn419z/before_john_wick_there_was_john_preston/	[ "It's a decent watch but its literally Farenheit 451 with gun-ninjas.", "Wait, farenheit 451 doesn't have gun ninjas? Boring.", "Exactly. So good.", "My favorite movie to come out of the Matrix ripoff era.", "This movie was amazing the first time I watched it. I rented it on DVD from an independant video store (not Blockbuster,etc). I had no expectations but I ended up loving it.\n\nThe Canadian distributed bluray (Distributor: [Alliance](https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Equilibrium-Blu-ray/6590/)) is \"[open matte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_matte)\". So you get the full 1920x1080 picture. It's not Original Aspect Ratio, so you get a few snobs shaming you.\n\nAnd, this isn't one of those open matte versions where you see the mic or any marking tape on the ground. It was filmed with open matte in mind, so all the shots are safe from production reveals.\n\nHowever, know that some shots may look open matte, they may be cropped/zoomed to match the rest of the format. I haven't checked extensively what the difference is or what the ratio is for open matte vs cropped. This is expected from a lot of open matte releases.", "It was so good... yet so terrible. How many bullets are in those pistols?!", "love this movie", "I know gun-fu!", "21, which isn't actually all that special. We have pistols with higher capacity then that now. Throw in some \"future tech\" and it is well within reason.", "Fair point! It always felt like more. Considering there are guns with 17+" ]	10	videos	Before John Wick, there was John Preston
https://youtu.be/wPzBOoZ2ccU	/r/videos/comments/qn44hf/british_comedy_show_filmed_after_host_was_exposed/	[ "I mean, it's not his fault. Sure his accountant probably used every loophole available. But that's the problem....fucking loopholes.\n\nBut once again, the rich have everything they could possibly want. They just need more.", "It should be noted... the loophole was legal, Jimmy Carr apologised publically and profusely, and paid the money 'owed'. \nAdditionally, the loophole was used by many many others (including politicians), but only Jimmy Carr was vilified at the time by the English press (owned by Murdoch), and the Prime Minister David Cameron - whose father was later revealed in the Panama Papers to be running a similar offshore investment fund that David Cameron personally benefited from. \nPls note: I'm not trying to defend Jimmy's tax avoidance. It turned out well for him - ratings doubled. \nAm just trying to add background to the sensationalist headline.", "David Cameron is an incredible hypocrite. He's such a piece of shit", "Jimmy was not the only person vilified, he had the piss taken out of him by his coworkers on a show staring comedians talking about the weeks news headlines, but the outrage was in the news for everyone for weeks, I heard about it in the us for like 3 weeks solid, and it was all over UK news sources for much longer. Jimmy was only the poster child for it, because he continued going to work doing multiple shows a week immediately after it and was thus constantly in the public eye causing him to me more associated with the scandal in your memory. But to say only Jimmy was vilified could only be true if the only show you watched was 8o10c", "This is pathetic. What Jimmy did was legal. Tax isn't a moral thing, it's a legal obligation. The government leaves loopholes for their rich friends, then we get irate when someone else uses them. Good for Jimmy. He should keep using the loophole until its closed.", "What did you expect from a pig fucker?", "The smile on Sean Lock's face. \"I am going to have fun with this.\"", "Over 1000 people took advantage of the scheme. Can you honestly* name any others? \nwithout looking it up \nDavid Cameron said he had not had time to look at allegations relating to singer Gary Barlow (while calling it the \"Jimmy Carr scheme\").", "No he shouldn't. He doesn't need the extra money but many of the organisations like the NHS which are funded by tax do.\n\nBut I aggree the ultimate answer is closing the loopholes.", "Um idk the Beckhams for a start, Gary Barlow named multiple times, a bunch of BBC execs, that spice girl no one remembers. There were a bunch of other famous ppl that got shit for years for their involvement several of which doubled down on different schemes like just a year or later after this proving that they will flaunt any regulation that isn't air tight if given even half an opportunity. And that's just the overtly famous people there were a number of CEOs named. But Jimmy was on tv almost every night so he became the whipping boy for the whole tax scheme, and he was dressed down night after night for months, but he was not the only one to have been put on blast by the media, just the one that stood out bc he was who was accessable to tool on.", "Fair enuff. \nI think I am using the term vilified in the same way you are using the term 'whipping boy'. Yours is probably the more correct in the context. \nMeh, no-one but you and i care, however I will be more careful about my useage of the word 'only' in future.", "better.", "I don't mind defending Cameron here.\n\nHis dad is an asshole who invested in a dodgy offshore trust.\n\nCameron jr inherited it after his dad died, and sold it shortly after, saving a few thousand in tax.\n\nIt's not even on the same scale as Putin's mate holding billions, or Boris getting his holidays paid for each year by a different party donor.", "It is moral as well as legal. Tax avoidance is legal but unethical. You're actively finding a way to pay less money which would benefit the rest of society. It’s a rich mans game, the majority of the population pay theirs, you pay yours.", "Tax is how the govt pays for services. If the rich do not pay then the costs must be placed on the next rung down.\n\nUnless you think full privatization is best; taxes are a moral thing.", "I'm with you, but I also believe use of the loop holes to be a moral obligation. Everyone and their aunty ought to be investigating use of and getting into these loopholes at every opportunity. The loopholes are deliberate and are there to favour the rich, only by the poors also making use of them will something be done to remove them. \nRepeat: everyone is morally obligated to avoid tax in any way legally possible - not for the purposes of self-benefit (though that will be a short term effect), but to force the politicians/bureaucrats to stop us (and the 1%) from being able to do it.", "He still gets roasted about it pretty regularly on panel shows too", "Emma Watson", "Millions ?", "RIP to that beautifully crass bastard.", "[David Mitchell on Tax Avoidance](https://youtu.be/m2q-Csk-ktc?t=144)\n\n>Rich being able to choose how much you pay taxes, is essentially tax on conscience. Tax on being nice. \n\n[You can't blame the rich for paying as little tax as possible. I do the same](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/31/david-mitchell-george-osborne-tax) by David Mitchell\n\n>... become a country where politicians, as well as being scandalously underpaid considering the importance of their jobs, are expected to pay more tax than the law requires? Should we all be chipping in a bit more if we think we can afford it – treating the Treasury like a charity? Is that its vision of liberalism? Like a \"pay what you can\" night at the theatre, the more generous and generous-spirited, the caring, the giving, will feel the pressure to pay more – it would be a tax on qualms, on social conscience. What a brilliant scheme for finally, irrevocably, impoverishing the left.", "For UK viewers... \n\nhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vppgp", "[You can't blame the rich for paying as little tax as possible. I do the same](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/31/david-mitchell-george-osborne-tax) by David Mitchell\n\nVoluntary taxes are charity. Traditional paternalistic conservative viewpoint is that the rich are better and participate and support the society voluntarily. No force needed. \n\nThe whole point of taxes is that there is no choice.", "He’s been one to joke about it himself though. That’s one of the reasons I enjoy his work", "mirror, for anyone doing a ctrl-f", "This is how British comedy works.\n\nOn another show, Have I Got News For You, the hosts regularly mocked celebrities and politicians of all kinds. Then the host was discovered to have had cocaine-fuelled orgies with prostitutes. So the next three episodes they ripped the piss out of him.\n\nIt was then extremely UNBRITISH of him to leave citing that mocking, as that was what he'd done to everyone else for decades. So instead they have had a different celebrity host it each episode for the last few decades.\n\nJimmy Carr still mocks himself on TV programmes like QI, etc. about this to this day, he made it part of his comedy act. And he has said that he literally avoided paying ZERO tax whatsoever.\n\nAnd it was all sold as being perfectly legal. Avoidance is legal. Evasion is not. If you want to complain about people avoiding tax, you need to fix the taxation system. It's evaders who are breaking the law, avoiders are literally ALLOWED TO AVOID THAT TAX. Of course people with the facilities to do so are not going to pay full tax if they can legally avoid doing so.", "If I were him I wouldn't have apologized. First it was his accountant, the guy rang him up one day and said there's this thing you can do and it'll save you money. Carr said yeah why not. Like literally all of us would. \n\nAnd then of course, it's 100% legal. It was disgusting how politicians and the media pounced on it, as if they aren't guilty of all manner of scumbaggery that probably is* illegal. \n\nIdve said to those twats, 'want me to stop, close the loopholes'. That might done some good.\n\nA while after they piled Gary Barlow in the same manner. \n\nPisses me off how the public laps this up and never focus on the real evils.", "They government did take steps to stop the Jersey-based K2 tax scheme with legislation that made it much more difficult - by 2016 all firms using this scheme had stopped.", "> the loophole until its closed.\n\nThe government specifically made legislation to close the k2 tax loophole that Carr was using.", ">whose father was later revealed in the Panama Papers to be running a similar offshore investment fund that David Cameron personally benefited from.\n\nI feel like this deserves some more explaination as it's not so cut and dry. His father did own an investment company that did that, he sold his shares of that company off before becoming PM (for £31k & paid tax on the dividend) and when his father died he inherited £300k and he doesn't know if that money came from this investment company. To put that in context, Carr was investing up to £4m every year.", "Without context, which you've purposely left out, that second quote has absolutely no meaning. I'm honestly really confused.\n\nedit: I forget people on the common subs have the critical thinking of baboons", "Comedy gold.", "> It’s a rich mans game\n\nMeh, that's bullshit. \nEveryone I know has been trying to pay as little taxes as possible by using every tricks or means necessary. My dad declared me and my sibling in different ways depending on what would reduce his taxes the most. Some countries I lived in allow foreigner to pay less taxes when they first enter the country to encourage immigration and you can bet your ass everyone who could was using that as much as they could. People avoiding to declare some work they do in their house to avoid having to pay extra taxes or even using extra medical insurance money to pay for unrelated stuff.\nHow many people in crypto do you think declare their full portfolio accurately, if at all?\nI have never met a single person in my life who was happy to pay taxes and wasn't trying one way or another to pay less of it and or get refunded part of it.\nPeople are just salty and envious of people richer than them.", "The thing with a couple more 0's then 1000, but a couple less 0's then a billion", "I've never personally met a pig fucker, but I'd imagine the only expectations I'd have for them would be, well, to fuck pigs. And who knows, maybe they get so excited about their next swinely hookup, they leave their child at a pub. Who knows?", "His father had actually been dead for several years at the point the papers came out. The family had full knowledge of his financial affairs and ex-PM Cameron even admitted he'd benefitted from the funds", "...It's blocked for UK viewers? How ironic.", "If you are going to post about David Mitchell and tax avoidance, [then this clip from the last leg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q-Csk-ktc) is very relevant.", "No, he's the whole turd", "Jimmy Carr is a cunt, but he's our cunt.", "Not really, channel 4 owns the rights so you have to watch it on their website", "Not really, they have their own platform in the UK, so they can make money off of us, so they block the stuff they don't control. However, they don't have global licensing rights, so there's more benefit in letting it get exposure across the world to build awareness rather than outright blocking it or having it taken down.", "I see. I have an English friend, and we occasionally share videos from shows in our respective countries. They occasionally don't work for reasons like this.", "I think it helped a lot that he leaned into it hard instead of hiding or making excuses. I miss Sean Locke, though.", "Makes sense! I frequently run into licensing issues when trying to exchange videos with my English friend. I don't think I've tried to share a a clip from a show they already have, so I've never encountered this.", "It was a pretty funny episode in all fairness. I wouldn't have gone back to work at all if I was Angus. \n\nHere's the best bits of that episode. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/7L8ij02Df2w?t=34", "Also, it's worth remembering that Jimmy Carr probably doesn't do all his tax stuff personally and likely has an accountant or finance advisor to sort it for him. It's completely plausible that he was unaware of the loophole and had just been told they'd found a way for him to pay less tax. \n\nCourse, he probably was aware he was paying less tax then he should be, but figured so long as it was legal what's the problem?", ">Tax avoidance is legal but unethical.\n\nIs this a joke? Literally everyone pays as little tax as they legally can. We all live our lives with the option to donate to the treasury, but I've never met a single person who does. If you have the ability to legally avoid paying more taxes and you don't, you're an idiot and a sucker.", "Meanwhile, rich Americans: “You actually pay taxes?”", "Fuck, I miss Sean Lock.", "Or you’re a good person who realises that taxes fund the nhs, state schools and the benefits system. Advocate for stronger progressive tax rates, better regulation, pay your taxes and get the wealthy to pay theirs too.", ">pay your taxes\n\nThat's what everyone's doing, but they're not paying more than their taxes. So called \"loopholes\" in tax codes are used by governments to encourage certain behaviors. If they offer a loophole and you take it, you're doing what the folks in charge of government revenues wanted you to do. \n\nYou're saying things like \"it's unethical\" and \"good person\" in this context, but you've always had the option to stroke a check to the treasury and you've never done it. NOBODY DOES. Deriving your morality from paying more taxes than you are obligated to is idiotic. If the NHS needs more funding, the government has the authority to alter the tax code to collect more. If they're depending on the generosity of taxpayers then they're as quixotic as you appear to be.", "Pig fucker.. Yes, that's a good song from the band Avatar!", "RIP Sean :(", "If you’re itemizing deductions, you’re participating in tax avoidance.", "It's a distinctly odd coincidence that the people who can afford to buy legislation end up with laws that benefit themselves over others.", "We have a Tory government who’s platform is lowering taxes. They are offering people (specifically the rich) the opportunity to get around paying taxes and the loopholes are there for their lobbyists and cronies. If Labour were in power these loopholes would cease to exist. The Tories want to privatise the NHS and lower benefits, the less taxation they receive the more ammunition they have to enact their will and scrap the welfare state. I very much do not want to be doing what the government are hoping we do because I’m in complete opposition to their fiscal values. \n\nI’m actually wrong in saying ‘good person’ you’re doing what should be expected of you in paying your taxes. It’s the bare minimum. The tories believe that philanthropy should be a personal choice and you will see many of them championing their chosen cause (usually one that has affected their life in some way as they can’t see beyond their noses). All the while they want to rid themselves of the civil burden of supporting the welfare state. \n\nIt’s not idealistic and unrealistic to call for people to pay their taxes. However when you have a government who’s platform is to demonise the left for wanting to raise taxation for those in the upper thresholds (which does not affect the working public) thereby influencing the working public into resenting the idea of taxation in general, then we have a problem.\n\nHowever, the hypocrite in me would say if they were to introduce flat tax (which would disproportionately affect the working class) then I would call for those on lower incomes to avoid paying as much tax as possible.", "It’s just too bad that Angus Deyton’s scandal tanked his career!", "I agree. I've never deducted a single thing from my tax, and I was self-employed for 10 years, it wasn't worth the hassle and it felt dishonest to ramp up expenses that I was perfectly happy to pay for.\n\nThere is no reward for that honesty.\n\nHowever, it is by no means illegal or even dishonest to say \"If I do legal thing X instead of legal thing Y, it's cheaper because then I don't have to pay the tax\". Whether that's avoiding stamp duty, using the company car, driving instead of flying, bringing your own plastic bags to the shop, etc. etc. the problem is that it's perfectly valid and acceptable to do so because the tax law is SO full of holes.\n\nBut yet we blame people who exploit the obvious holes rather than the supposed experts who put them in there (often deliberately, or through extreme negligence) in the first place.", "If you work at HMRC then I expect most people you meet don't like you either.", "Hahahahaha what\n\nIt’s also entirely plausible that trump didn’t do anything bad, you know he’s got so many people running the campaign \n\nAnd the sacklers- surely they didn’t know how much their company creates the opioid epidemic", "So you're sayinh that Jimmy Carr specifically arranged his taxes personally to used that specific loophole?\n\nClearly you have no idea how this works. Most likely scenario is he told his accountant to save him money, his accountant did that, job done. He didn't care how, just that is was legal.", "Do the links not work for you? What context do you believe they have left out when they linked the entire piece?\n\nI can edit in insults too: If you can't understand that very simple quote and are left \"honestly confused\" then I believe it is you who lacks thinking skills. In this case, comprehension.", "Yeah I 100% doubt the accountant went through sketchy loopholes and did not consult his client even once. Especially when it sounds like it involves the creation of offshore accounts - which the accountant would never do without sign off \n\nJust cause you like the guy doesn’t mean you should just assume 100% innocence, absolutely unbelievable. If he shot a guy in the face you would probably first assume it was a defective gun, can’t possible be him doing anything bad", "No, I'm just going off personal experience with dealing with rich people in the finance industry, but hey, you assumptions beat real world experience right?", "So if this same headline came out but it was with Trump instead\n\nYou would also claim that he probably had no idea it was going on, and he’s totally innocent —- even if he publicly admits and apologizes for it? \n\nWould you need the audio recording of the accountant explicitly saying that it should be done to be convinced?", "The links are how I know it's a weird quote to cherry pick. \n\nMost people aren't clicking on the link, if you find the section he uses them he cuts off literally a single word which would give you much more context.", "No it's the same. Trump knows shit about tax loopholes, that's why he pays someone else to do it for him. I mean, if he knew how to do it himself why get someone else to do it?\n\nI'm not saying his innocent, just that he likely doesn't know enough about taxes and finances to know any more then it saves him money. Doesn't excuse him, just doesn't make him the criminal mastermind you're claiming him to be.", "I don’t think you have enough of a fundamental understanding of what accountants do to understand how ridiculous this idea is", "I would much prefer people pay the least amount of tax legally owed and donate their \"tax savings\" to charities.", "I fail to see how the few missing words change the context. He is saying that the tax law should be changed instead of relying on public sentiment to drive \"charitable\" tax payments that go above what the law requires. Please explain how adding \"literally a single word\" before the quote would change the context so drastically.", "It isn't his own comments on tax law. It is his response to a singular pressure groups beliefs on how to change tax law.\n\nBy leaving out the group he's responding to smoothies will take it purely as his own beliefs on tax law, the context makes this whole section read very differently.\n\nAlso, its such libertarian nonsense I struggle to see how anyone could take it that seriously, let alone come out of the woodwork to defend what they've only read a section of.\n\nFurthermore, if you can't understand how a few words can drastically change something then you're already lost.", "I mean, it's theirs. Not sure it's fair to be mad someone is keeping what they earned vs others using their earnings", "This comment… every time", "> real world experience right\n\nbtw, these are just your assumptions too", "Yeah, it was a lesson in how to handle it. \nSean Locke - what a loss :/", "I'm really confused by this. If it's a real loophole, why would he have to pay?", "Ah, I forgot.. ouch.", "It's only a tax on conscience if you believe taxes are a good thing but nevertheless pay as little as you can.", "Yeah. David Cameron literally did nothing wrong in that regard. \n\nIt was all nonsense whipped up by the tabloids.", ">and Brits have definitively the best TV\n\nI know, right? Where else can you see Louie Spence calling the Prime Minister a wanker via interpretive dance?", "Why taxes are a percent of income is a joke when they're meant to cover the cost of public goods which are shared by a population evenly", "Love the line, \"in my defense ... I got nothing.\"", "It's that it's not a random thought he had, it's a response that he came up with after being asked something. That's the fundamental difference to you? It is purely his belief what are you on about? How does that change anything I'm still failing to grasp your point. I understand fully how a few words could change context, that's obviously how language works, you just haven't been able to demonstrate it here.\n\nAnd you're still crying as though I'm saying I agree or commenting in any way. The only thing I've commented on is your assertion that the original comment was being misleading when it clearly was not.", "Seeing something similar on the TV finally gave the pig the courage needed to speak up.", "Well… if we knew something about your father all around the world, chances are you would have picked the same information up somewhere.", "Ethics vs law. Two different things. \n\nSean put it more simply with the elevator analogy.", "Yea I wish everyone did that..", "What a shit story", "No, they're a legal thing. The tax burden shouldn't be on those who feel morraly obligated to pay it. That's charity. Tax should be paid by everyone, regardless of their morality. It's government's responsibility to ensure that happens, and close loopholes.", "I disagree. If there is a legal way to pay less tax, then you should take it. Are you imorral for not phoning up the tax office right now and asking to pay more? Of course not. There is no moral obligation on you to pay more tax than is legally required. Nor is there on anyone else. It's the job of the government to close loopholes. Its not a moral thing.", "So are you currently on the phone to the tax office, asking them to take any money you don't need?", "Things can belong to more than 1 category my guy.\n\nWe can all agree that slavery is immoral. At one point it was legal. Simply because something is legal that doesn't make it an ethical/moral thing to do despite its legal status.", "I got into a huge kick of watching 8 out of 10 cats does countdown on youtube for some time. Sean Locke was always the best, guy was a fucking legend and a treasure.", "How is it even possible to pay so little in taxes? Investing?", "Can I ask why you put a space before punctuation?", "Yes, but simply leaving as a moral choice would be totally unacceptable. Slavery would continue to benefit the immoral. Making it illegal was necessary. That's my point. Leaving tax as a moral obligation benefits the immoral. It has to be dealt with legally.", "I dont think anyone was saying it should remain only moral; just that its also a moral one as well.", "I still disagree. I believe the responsibility lies entirely on government to close the loopholes, otherwise, like I say, immoral entities like corporations benefit. Why should moral people be worse off?", "Because by doing immoral things they stop being moral people.\n\nIf we both agree to pay for a meal then you short it and I have to make up the difference- you've screwed me.\n\nCorporations screwing people then those people screwing over others doesn't help the situation. It just makes the remaining moral people all that much more screwed.\n\nThe bill doesn't change. The only thing changing is how many are carrying the weight.", "I do need it, I'm dirt poor but even so I pay the full amount I am asked of and do not take steps to evade or circumvent doing so, I have turned down cash in hand work even when it would make me more money.\n\nIf I was in Jimmy's position I would still pay my fair share. He's still a millionaire and can live happily even when he pays his fair share of Taxes. The wealthy evading taxes is pure greed and robs the public services the poor depend on. Jimmy could retire now and live comfortably for the rest of his life, he does not need to horde wealth.\n\nOther people bend the rules so why shouldn't I is childish and selfish and makes the world worse. Pay your fair share of taxes and pressure your goverment to close loopholes so everyone else does too.", "You're displaying an astounding lack of understanding of basic arithmetic.", "I loved 8 out of 10 cats and 8 out of 10 cats does countdown. Gotta give it to Jimmy, he owns it. And I miss Sean Lock.", "> I've never deducted a single thing from my tax, and I was self-employed for 10 years,\n\nSo you were happy paying sales tax with income you were taxed on? Aka you're content double taxing yourself because it was too complicated?\n\nDeductions are not unhealthy avoidance.", "% of income disproportionately skews towards the rich. People using public goods in the most fair of worlds would result in a flat tax indiscriminate of income", "No sales tax in my country like that.\n\nTo claim VAT back you have to pretty much piss about or earn a lot of money, and charge VAT to your customers. I was selling services for the most part, it wasn't worth the hassle.\n\nI therefore was not double-taxing myself at all, in any way. It just meant it wasn't worth claiming for small travel expenses and lunch and the like (which would be taken off your total income as a working expense, so they slightly reduced your taxable income on which you had to pay a small portion of tax, but even then it was a pittance), even though technically I could do so. \n\nI was earning enough and it was all pure profit that it just wasn't worth the paperwork, recording, receipt storage for four years, auditing, etc. for the sake of removing the cost of a sandwich from my taxable income.", "I mean you can do that legally in the USA as well. You can even do it with intent, and not even go through with the charity to get the credit.\n\nDid you know you can say you are going to donate assets to a non profit, when when hit retirement age, null the donation and not have to pay taxes on it? I mean its legal tax loophole. Hell, some charities are set up just for this purpose.", "Offshore tax havens.", "This 8 out of 10 cats is pretty tame. What they did on HIGNFY was extreme. Warranted, but extreme. Now that's embarrassment.\n\nPaul Merton was later asked if they had stabbed Angus in the back. He replied they had stabbed him in the front.", "Totally it barely even got me hard", "The rich benefit disproportionately, makes sense they'd pay more.", "Absolutely brilliant.\n\nIt's weird to actually try to communicate with one of these people.", "Sure, it wasn't meant as a criticism of Jimmy, I just think it's funny they're still making jokes about it", "To name Jimmy the way he was the worse offender was so lame.", "Sure but country fucker is more apt.", "I thought he got axed as he became too much on a focus, I swear it was in a doc on the show.", "It kind is but I dislike it so much more when its the crazy rich folks and companies doing it.", "from public goods? I'd argue they use public services way less than the lower income and middle class. Which if you want true equality would mean the wealthy should pay less taxes as a proportion", "rich people can afford expensive accountants.", "Same. :(", "Why did people give Jimmy shit for this?\n\nHow scammed and bamboozled us proles have become to take pride in paying taxes.", "this reminds me of when David Letterman got caught cheating on his wife and went out and just owned the fact that he was a piece of garbage, only in this case Carr let 6 of his contemporaries trash him for a whole episode and just took his beating like a grown up. As they say in that island that isn't as cool as westeros, good on him.", ">I do need it, I'm dirt poor but even so I pay the full amount I am asked of and do not take steps to evade or circumvent doing so, I have turned down cash in hand work even when it would make me more money.\n\nI guess we all know why you are dirt poor then. You aren't good at managing your assets. Look up your tax code and, if you can't be asses to do it yourself, talk to an accountant. I'm sure he can fix it up for you.", "It may not be surprising, but it's still ironic.", "He didn't leave because of the mocking. He was still on good terms with Merton and Hislop.\n\nThey all agreed he needed to go, because how could they suitably mock the celebs and politicians coming on the show with that huge scandal behind the show's host?\n\nI do miss him, but probably just for nostalgic reasons. I think the show still has a few good moments nowadays.", "Good people usually get the short end", "> He is saying that the tax law should be changed instead of relying on public sentiment to drive \"charitable\" tax payments that go above what the law requires.\n\nThis is you making a comment and misinterpreting due to the hidden context, how can you be acting like you've said nothing when you just did??\n\n1. Fundamentally misunderstand what I'm saying \n2. Come out and admit you've misunderstood\n3. Still try and make some weird comment about how I'm crying\n4. profit????\n\nI'd slow down on the Reddit comments man, you're pumping them out like you're paid to and that just isn't healthy.", "as someone from the US, this is bizarre to me. Either you owe the money or not. If you figure out some way to legally pay less tax, why wouldn't you?", ">as someone from the US, this is bizarre to me.\n\nThere are many types of Capitalism, but perhaps the (equal) most common two are European and Anglo-American Capitalism. \n\nIt’s not mere left vs right, it’s a different idea about profit, that gets tied up with ethics. For instance, in your small town someone has a florist. If you know of a more efficient model, should you open a florist shop, too? \n\nUS capitalism would say yes, go for it. European capitalism would probably say no. \n\nIt may seem counterintuitive, but there is solid economics behind it. To take it to extremes, a town of 1,000 florists is likely to not work as well, as a mixed town, particularly after consolidation. So, in many cases the European one leads to more median wealth.\n\nWe can very easily think ours is the only one that exists, and be shocked by the other. But most places (including the UK) are a mix.", "Oh yeah, I get it, and I'm not knocking it. It's just a little strange to me :)", "Right. And vice versa for me!\n\nAnother example might be, in 1820 slavery might be legal. So if it’s legal, why not do it? That’s where we need to check that it’s also ethical.", "A true hero.", "Deayton was actually dismissed from the show, rather than quit, and he was quite unhappy about it. HIs friend Stephen Fry announced that he would not go on the show anymore after Deayton was fired." ]	134	videos	British comedy show filmed after host was exposed only PAYING 1% TAX on his millions earned. Guests continually roast the host! (Show is 8 out of 10 cats, host is Jimmy Carr)
https://youtu.be/Wqrhb0CNar4	/r/videos/comments/qn4jqf/hockey_players_getting_caught_on_hot_mics/	[ "Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.", "Man, I remember watching an NHL game years ago and there was a scrum against the boards behind the net after a whistle. Just before the broadcast cut away to a commercial, a player shrieked \"YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKER!\". Highlight of the night.", "I don't understand this obsession with people saying \"Fuck\" on television. Why is it such a big deal?", "This reminds me of Trailer Park Boys every time Ricky shouts FUCK", "TLDW:\n\n\"FUCK\" \"FUCK YOU\"", "Almost as well as this famous scene from the wire https://youtu.be/DS6pE88Xg3s", "They give a fuck." ]	8	videos	Hockey Players getting caught on hot mics.
https://youtu.be/GM-mnNIm0xU	/r/videos/comments/qn4mh4/buzz_lightyear_does_the_rock_eyebrow_raise/	[ "Pretty sure the Rock didn’t invent raising an eyebrow.", "Omg yes he did, get out of here with that logic!!", "“Animated cartoon character raises eyebrow. Real-life human is capable of doing the same.”", "It's the Woody eyebrow raise, it's nearly the first thing he does when Buzz gets out his box!" ]	5	videos	Buzz Lightyear does The Rock eyebrow raise
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn4tpy/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qn4tpy/deleted_by_user/	[ "Wow, can you expand the subject please? 😁", "There is a more detailed Intro on the website\n\ntransomology.com/blog", "Thanks", "Sounds like bullshit to me.", "If it sounds like bullshit to you then it isnt for you. up till now the only chakra balancing tools available were sound or tone based and relied on meditation on lights and colors but no actual understanding of self is achieved. This is to passive a system. The Involution/Evolution tools are active and require your participation and self analyzation.", "Leave , there are many ignorants", "New age drivel" ]	7	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Lb-6rxZxx0&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qn5qzb/monty_hall_problem_numberphile/	[ "I wonder if anyone has made a web game or something with this programmed in to see if this actually follows the logic. Personally I think you'd only be right 50% of the time, as ultimately your decisions are 50/50 regardless of the changes in conditions.\n\nEDIT: Downvotes? Really? I was just wondering if there was a web game like this I could see for myself.", "haha took me 3 hours with my dad to figure out the truth. easy thing to do is an excel sheet place the math and figure out if switching is better always is knowing information. i love showing people this problem.", "How exciting", "> Personally I think you'd only be right 50% of the time\n\nThats why people are downvoting you. You going off of personal feeling instead of the math that clearly shows that is not the case. Think about the problem as more than 3 doors. If we had 100 doors and I opened 98 showing nothing and gave you the option to switch with the last would you take it?", "I saw the video, I'm familiar - but the fact remains you don't know what's behind door 1 or the other door. Regardless how many get eliminated, you've still got a 50/50 chance.", "lol okay bud \n\nSimulate for yourself: https://www.rossmanchance.com/applets/2021/montyhall/Monty.html\n\nEDIT: even better, this one lets you make it 100 doors, try keeping the same door every time with 100 doors https://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-monty-hall-problem/", "That's perfect. I was literally asking for something like that, dude - that's why I wanted a web game or something because I thought that it should still be 50/50, but I wanted to prove/disprove my belief.\n\nAgain, I wasn't dying on that hill man. Happy to find proof of being wrong.", "If your strategy is \"always switch,\" you always win if you initially pick a goat (2/3) and you always lose if you initially pick the car (1/3)." ]	10	videos	Monty Hall Problem - Numberphile
https://youtu.be/zdFeQoQqfVs	/r/videos/comments/qn67sd/the_dark_pictures_anthology_house_of_ashes_part_3/	[ "This isn't how you get subs mate", "Not looking for subs looking to share a video", "Riiiight.\n\nSo you are sharing your own video just because you thought why not.", "That’s it you have got it. and you thought you would comment on this to give me advice because… you feel the need to be negative of because you have 5 subs and project your sadness on me? Get a life my guy nobody asked for advice just simply posted a video to share it. If you don’t want to watch then don’t it’s that simple just don’t comment dumb things an move on with your life.", "Bro, I don't give a fuck about subs, I am not some wannabe youtuber who thinks posting their own video on their own reddit account is a smart idea is all.\n\nNot sure how you think \"This isn't how you get subs mate\", I didn't say haha idiot posted his video on his own account! lol what a noob.\n\nI just made a simple comment and you are butt hurt.", "Looks to me that you are the butt hurt one lmfao I can almost hear you crying in the message little man. Do you only come to this subReddit to cry in the comments like a baby telling people how this is not to grow like the font of knowledge that you are. To be clear I don’t post here for subs I have plenty I post to share a video never asked people to sub, like upvote or anything els so get over it an stop being a baby. It’s a YouTube subreddit to share videos why did you even come here if your not wanting to see it?? This is water of a ducks back to me you little troll go back to your moms basement an play wow. The reason for posting of my own account is that I have nothing to hide. If you feel the need to fake who you are that speaks clear what kind of child you are jog on grow up an keep you dumb opinions to your self. Don’t bother messaging back as I will not be wasting any more of my time on a bottom feeder like you. Go cry on a different post 😂", "Calm down you lot. It’s the internet, no one gives a fuck.", "Sorry, your wall of text is too much to bother with.\n\nGG boi" ]	7	videos	The Dark Pictures Anthology House Of Ashes - Part 3 THE END
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eDUh_jbh3Ps&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qn6b2d/none_of_this_happened_but_average_redditors_are/	[ "The problem with these videos they do not show you the folks who made comments such as \"never heard about it\" or \"that doesn't sound legit at all.\" Why? Because it doesn't make for creating a video highlighting clueless folks.", "huehuehuehue le average redditor.\n\nFuck this post, fuck your shit title.", "Shilling to plant the seed when r/antiwork organizes to deem it an out of touch movement" ]	3	videos	None of This Happened But Average Redditors are UPSET!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WljAsIAf4do	/r/videos/comments/qn725s/just_a_guy_taking_his_parrots_to_the_park/	[ "Okay I'm gonna need to know how to get me a pair of those.", "👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿", "Lovely to see, he loves them and it is mutual.\n\nThey could have their freedom but they know where their bread is buttered.", "I would be so scared that they'd fly off for good - nerve racking.", "The way I see it they are free, they just choose to live with the guy, they're family. There seems to be a whole free-flying parrot community in London, I had no idea. There's another couple who have a few parrots and it's like a full-time job, all the feeding, playing, cuddling, food/crap cleaning and ''walking'' them, enclosing the whole garden...they don't have kids, the parrots are pretty much their kids. One of them got lost for 17hrs and he looked so happy to be back.", "One of the parrots from another YT channel did get lost for 17 hrs, he looked so relieved to be back. I'm not sure if there are any birds of prey in the London area but it's a huge place and has about 3000 parks, almost half is green space.", "People like to romanticize birds and think they need to be flying around freely all the time. The truth is that most parrots aren't migratory birds and stick to areas with an adundance of food and proper shelter. Flying around all day is probably the last thing they want to do as it exposes themselves to predators.\n\nParrots are happy just chilling. Flying to them is like jogging/running for us and expends energy. If a parrot has food and shelter you wont be seeing them flying around for funsies, lol.", "Just like cats. :P", "First you have to be ready to commit to owning them for 50 years and spending lot of your free time within that caring and interacting with them.", "There will definitely be falcons at least in London. They live around cities eating pigeons.", "The allure is expected. But be aware that 99% of people that have the thought \"I should get one of those birds, it would be fun\" should not get one of those birds. It is an order of magnitude more of a lifestyle change than getting a dog or a cat. And plenty of dog and cat owners don't even do a good job as it is.", "With a few thousand dollars", "You can throw even more money at it, and you'll have a parrot for a week if you don't know what you're doing. \n\nThis takes serious commitment, care and upbringing. And there is still a very big risk to the birds by doing this through London (And likely more risks doing it in any other continent...) Only a few birds through London would outright kill these and eat them. But when it comes to birds, any damage to wings could cause serious injury followed by death. \n\nBuzzards, Goshawks, Merlins, Hawks, falcons, kestrels, certain owls or sparrowhawks (there have also been sightings of white tailed eagles and a few sightings of golden eagles in london) could easily drop these vibrant coloured parrots. All you have to do is ride too close to their nests and you may find issues. \n\nCool for the video. But this will likely end in tears." ]	13	videos	Just a guy taking his parrots to the park
https://youtu.be/Q3MjR7SCslo	/r/videos/comments/qn730o/how_they_teach_black_history_in_schools/	[ "https://youtu.be/GeixtYS-P3s", "I know this has been the narrative for the last year or so, that Americans schools don't teach black history, but I don't get it. Every elementary and high school curricula that I've been part of or know of spends like half of US History black history. We've learnt about the Triangle Trade, the slave revolts, the cotton gin, the KKK, lynchings, voting laws, Birth of a Nation, KKK part 2 Electric Boogaloo, Jim Crow, Malcom X vs Martin Luther King jr., etc. etc. etc.\n\nWhat exactly is missing that would be important enough to take time away from learning about Vietnam, the Crusades, transitive verbs, and trigonometry?", "My experience in the US as a kid isn't much better than this video except that they told us George Washington Carver invented peanut butter as well.. I don't think I am an isolated incident.\n\nMaybe it's better now but it was awful when I was growing up.", "> Every elementary and high school curricula that I've been part of or know of spends like half of US History black history.\n\nThey do NOW, but when Boomers were in school they didn't and that is why they want CRT not to be taught because if they didn't learn about it, then it wasn't important. See it is just that easy,", "I'm talking about the 90s when I grew up. Did you live below the Mason-Dixon line or the Midwest?", "Dude, stop. Boomers were in school literally 70 years ago and their schooling hasn't been relevant in decades. Black US history has always been a major part of the Gen-X and Millenial children's education. And those are the one's you should be upset about for trying to force change regarding whatever CRT means this week.", "The bit where Freeman talks about getting rid of racism by not talking about it always reminds me that even if someone has a voice that exudes gravitas and wisdom, they can still have some really stupid takes. \n \nAt least it seems even he himself has [changed his mind since.](https://twitter.com/morgan_freeman/status/1268990983355727875)", "This was my experience as well.", "It's trickle down disintelligence.", ">Black US history has always been a major part of the Gen-X and Millenial children's education.\n\nThat's not true in the entire U.S.\n\nRDCWorld are members who mostly grew up in Texas, [where they want to downplay the role of slavery in this country's history](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/us/texas-history-1836-project.html)", "Bro you're being racist", "The thing is, all that you listed and maybe a but more do get taught. But it's taught over the course of a week, maybe two. Then it's back to Nixon and Watergate, Vietnam and the rest of US history post 1970.", "He didn't invent peanut butter. I remember this because we had a thing on Carver in school as well and the first question the students asked was about peanut butter. Since he didn't invent literally the only thing we really knew as a use for peanuts as kids, everyone kind of laughed and wrote him off. \n \nThe concept of crop rotation was probably too complex for little kids, so they always lead with the peanut thing.", "Crusades is not U.S. history like everything else you mentioned.\n\nSo you learned about the 1898 [Wilmington coup](https://www.history.com/news/wilmington-massacre-1898-coup)?\n\n>In 1898, a group of white vigilantes—angry and fearful at the newly elected biracial local government—joined forces with area militias to rain terror on Wilmington, North Carolina, then the South’s most progressive Black-majority city.\nAfter stoking fear of a Black uprising that would upend their way of life, endanger their women and bring about an unfathomable new American reality in which Black men—not white—governed, white city leaders pledged to “choke the current of the Cape Fear with carcasses” rather than allow Wilmington’s Black citizens to succeed, and lead.\nWhen the carnage ended, more than 100 Black government officials—city councilmen, the city clerk, the treasurer, the city attorney and others—had been forced from their elected roles. Somewhere between 60 and 250 Black citizens were murdered. \nAfter the coup, for which no one was ever prosecuted or punished, more than 100,000 registered Black voters fled the city. No Black citizen would again serve in public office for three-quarters of a century.\n\n\n>During the campaign, white police rode into Black homes, whipping Black men and threatening them with death for attempting to vote. On Election Day, armed white mobs gathered outside Wilmington polling places, threatening any Blacks who tried to cast a ballot. The result: Democrats won every elected position in which they ran. \nOnce equipped with political power, the Democrats turned to their second goal: eliminating the economic wealth of Wilmington’s Black citizens and instituting a state of white supremacy. \nThe day after the sham election, Wilmington Democrats published “The White Declaration of Independence,” which stated, “We will no longer be ruled and will never again be ruled by men of African origin.” The Declaration stripped Wilmington’s Black citizens of the right to vote, demanded that city jobs held by Black men be given to white constituents and that Alex Manly leave town or be lynched. He escaped North.\n\n\nAlot of people were surprised at the 1921 Tulsa Race Masscare.", "Ours did. We also had a lesson and a demo on those bullshit poll literacy tests showing how they can be designed to fail you if they want you to fail or pass you if they want you to pass. We spent a long time on civil rights and it went through black history, japanese interments, trail of tears, treatment of chinese workers on the railyways, etc... Basically the history of minority suffering through american history.", "I didn't and I graduated in 2010. In California.\n\nFor U.S. History I took AP as well.", "Mine was in Ohio, high school in 2002-2006.", "Trigonometry isn't a part of US history either.\n\nNo, we did not learn about every single dingle instance of racial injustice that happened in the US over the last 250 years. Because we were in elementary school and had a lot of other subjects to cover, not taking a college course on African American history.", ">Because we were in elementary school and had a lot of other subjects to cover\n\nI thought you were implying just high school. If you include all of public schooling (K-12 thats 13 years)\n\nAnd I thought we were just focusing on when U.S. history is taught. For me that was 1 year in elementary. 1 year in middle and 1 last year in H.S.\n\n>No, we did not learn about every single dingle instance of racial injustice that happened in the US over the last 250 years.\n\nThis is not just an instance of racial injustice. If you read my link, you would know this is the only successful coup of a local govt in the U.S.'s history. None of the perpetrators were punished.\n\nBut it seems like in the tone of your comments that none of this information is beneficial for you.", "Then why stop at blaming the baby boomers? Blame the Greatest Generation for raising them and educating them!", "Cotton crops were destroyed by boll weevil infestations. Also, the soil was damaged by repeatedly growing cotton which takes nutrients from the soil. Peanuts, a legume, make their own \"fertilizer\" and could grow in the same soil and climate as cotton. \n\nCotton sharecroppers were so poor at the time that their children were dying of malnutrition. Carver envisioned an additional benefit to growing peanuts. Peanut oil was the product the farmers would sell. Peanut meal was a nutritive and protein-rich byproduct which the family could eat. Carver (an agricultural scientist) testified as an agricultural expert before the Senate Ways and Means Committee in the 1920's, the first black man to do so. His testimony won a tariff on peanuts which was essential to make peanut farming commercially viable. \n\nWas that too complex for kids?", "Wasnt too hard for me and im immature as hell", "90s. Northeast.. Guess you had a better school district than I did. \n\n¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "Congrats on surviving 12 years on reddit. Saw your name on reddits first ever thread. Anything you miss about the old reddit community?" ]	24	videos	How they teach Black history in schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KEwkWjADEA	/r/videos/comments/qn84wb/exploring_why_this_nuclear_fusion_breakthrough/	[ "Saying it now, if a fusion reactor costs more than 20billion and has a lifetime shorter than 30 years it will never take off. If we look at for example a coal powerplant and a fission powerplant, the fission powerplant wins on almost every metric except for 1 massive one, the cost of construction, it takes 15-20 years for a fission powerplant to break even with a coal powerplant, first it takes about 10 years to pay off the powerplant and then another 5-10 years to play catch up since the coal plant has been turning a profit from day 1. And even if fear or government intervention doesn't stop it before you break even you only have about 5 years of out performing a coal powerplant on profit. \n\nThe same could be true for fusion powerplants if the cost of construction is too high and the lifetime of the reactor too short it will never be usable. I feel like the real push should be for renewable sources like wind, water, and solar power.", "As of 2019, conservative estimates for fossil fuel subsidies by the US government were $20 billion per year. Those subsidies aren't going to be around much longer in the long term.\n\nTheoretically fusion reactors wouldn't come with the exorbitant waste management and disposal costs of nuclear, nor would they have the extreme construction costs that come with safely managing a run-away nuclear process like fission.\n\nFusion power is essentially the promise of unlimited clean energy. That's a pretty marketable concept. If it gets reasonably figured out I can see it becoming a reality.", "11 minutes to get to the \"breakthrough\". You can skip most of this video if you don't need a refresher on the history of nuclear fusion.", "The paradox of coal is pretty clear though: it's profitable, but at what cost?\n\nThe environmental catastrophe that comes from coal is not being accurately represented in the P&L statements from a power plant. If we truly took a holistic view of the entire global coal industry and somehow put a price on the next few hundred years of burning the stuff the numbers would look very different.", "I agree with you that this is the way the world works, but as another commenter mentioned when discussing costs it is often left out the environment impact cost because it doesn't directly impact the investors. This is why carbon tax is so important because we need to the investors to understand that coal isn't cheaper to society. If you want to build a coal plant you have to pay for the downstream impacts.\n\nFusion is still a long way off if ever, but I fully support spending money on research and development for the survival & advancement of our species even if it means no immediate benefit and brutal cost to the current generation. Costs fluctuate over time. Today it may not be fiscally worthy, but tomorrow that story could change.", "100% agree, coal is nasty stuff. The problem is that I don't see fusion being the solution to the problems that a coal plant brings, I think that the solution is renewables, solar panels, windmills, not so sure about hydro electric dams because they don't seem to be as good for the environment as I previously thought but probably still better than a coal powerplant. \n\nIf we're talking about the environment I would even go as far as to say we should cut spending on fusion by 99% and instead spend the money on building windmills and solar panels. Think about it, we could burn coal for 30-50 more years (or however long it takes to make fusion reactors a reality) while we try to research and test way to make fusion reactors or we could stop burning coal, stop researching or drastically cutting spending for research on fusion and go 100% renewable.\n\nTo me it looks like the boat is sinking and someone is yelling hold on for a while I'm making a perfect cutout for the hole in the boat while another person has a less than perfect piece of wood and people are telling them no no no we're gonna wait for the perfect piece.", "It's just a tip", "I hope you're right. I think this video did highlight just how close we are. We have the concept. We have the knowledge. What we don't have are the necessary materials and how to integrate them into a single functional reactor. I think for fusion to work, we need better metamaterials and magnets, like the one the video referenced. But a lot of those efforts are happening separately at the moment. It'll be a logistical and an engineering challenge to integrate them all. But with time, effort, and investment, I believe it could happen and sooner than 30 years." ]	8	videos	Exploring Why This Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcnJEMnlTs	/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/	[ "Who throws what look to be perfectly usable laundry baskets into the ocean?\n\nEdit: As many have said, the answers could be fishing vessels, tsunamis, floods, hurricanes, or just people who move away and throw their crap out instead of taking it with them.", "Wouldn’t it be cheaper to, you know, not put shit in the ocean to start with?", "Until something is done about our plastic loving disposable society this is a complete waste of time. \n\nBTW, There are at least 4 OTHER garbage patches that are only growing in mass.", "Stop eating fish, almost half of the plastic in this garbage patch is from fishing equipment", "thank god i live in hawai'i i'm so fucking sick of literally tons of plastic waste washing up on the big island every year", "Stop eating fish, almost half of the plastic in this garbage patch is from fishing equipment", "There is actually change being done on that front, so this isn't a complete waste of time, keep your doomsayer bullshit to yourself when people are actually trying to make a difference.", "sure! but someone has to get all of the shit ALREADY IN THERE, NOW DON'T THEY? yeah. duh.", "Ok, so that's something. Buuuut it's not clear how much garbage this will reclaim (to be made into ... disposable plastic sunglasses?) in contrast to how much is dumped. How many massive ships are dumping tons of waste into the ocean every day? Maybe these guys could track them and just follow behind them? The whole thing is mind-bogglingly inefficient.\n\nStill, it's something.", "The other half of the project is cleaning up the rivers that have been identified as the main contributors to ocean plastic", "Look at the big brain on you!", "I'm interacting with this CNET video as much as I can to push moron game journalists towards climate coverage. Hope it works lmao.", "people who did all their laundry", "There needs to be a push for zero point recycling. You put your garbage out, instead of just going to a landfill, it goes to a system that converts it into biodegradable compost.", "I did not know that there were people working to clean up the garbage patch, so I’m happy to learn that they are having some success. I do agree that in addition to cleanup, more needs to be done to shift our economies away from producing so much waste.", "Roughly 70% of pollution comes from corporations. These corporations couldN'T care less and the own ALL central bank controlled governments. \n\nMoney is humanity's only true god and there isn't any money in cleaning up their messes.", "You watched \"Seapiracy\" too? Great doc.", "So are the Pellets pure or mixed? \n\nPure pellets can lead to a recycling system.\n\nMixed pellets are downcycling instead - limiting the amount of reusability usually down to one cyle.\n\nWhile it is \"nice\" to have such technology to retrive plastic - in context this is very small. An estimate of 4.8-12 million tons of plastic enter the ocean each year. 4 000 000 t vs 9 t.\n\nAlso they collect floating plastic, big enough to be captured by the net - so the micro plastic that is affecting the wildlife will stay in the water.\n\nNext I am not sure how much fuel got burned to collect these 9t of plastic those ships looked rather needy in that sector.\n\nIt seems like a feel good operation for wealthy people to talk about at dinner parties.", "They actually address that in the video, they say that the key thing to minimizing this waste is to stop people throwing it out into rivers to begin with. Sadly, since people doesn't seem to get this they have to do the next best thing, clean it up later. They also have similar projects going near rivers and this isn't the only one cleaning up. It's sad but it's reality and at least someone is doing something.", "I actually haven't haha, seaspiracy, dominion etc are just preaching to the choir in my case so I'd rather not watch the animal suffering", "So you are saying dont do anything because it is already bad? What an awful opinion and you are a waste of space. \n\nThe Cuyahoga River in Cleveland used to catch fire but we fixed it by putting regulations and cleaning it up. Yhis can be done to this too.\n\nStop wasting time with useless BS statements when this can be fixed. Just donate to #teamSeas on YouTube and you can help.", "This is their website if you wanna know more about the project and the end-products: https://theoceancleanup.com/", "Dude there are already tons of studys that say the trash comes from about 1000 rivers. All you have said is already known. Do more research. Look at #TeamSeas videos on YouTube and donate to help. Tons of creaters give informational videos on how to help", "I mean, stopping the stuff going in there first would make even more sense wouldn’t it mate but we aren’t really doing anything about that", "This was all addressed in the video, the amount of garbage it reclaimed and aims to reclaim, the glasses being an unscalable proof of concept, the plastic problem needing a wide array of measures to stem it at the source. \nEVERYONE understands that it's inefficient to capture back plastic in the middle of the ocean by the tons rather than not dumping it in the first place, just like everyone understands the same issue when it comes to carbon capture. The people working on these problem day and night to make a difference understand it better than anyone else. We don't need the fucking snark every time a video about these technologies come up.", "That's the joke: it's cheap for whoever throws the trash into the ocean. They're not the ones who have to pay for the eventual cleanup.", "I salute your enthusiasm BUT reality disagrees.", "Plenty of companies are willing to use their plastic in products. It's a selling point. There is already a market online.", "good to know punctuation wouldn't hurt though", "Wouldn't it be dumb to think that what's already there is going to go away if we do that?", "the sunglasses pitch is kinda silly. ye, sure companys can \"create something useful\" with the downcycled plastic, but this concept undermines the fact that cleaning up the garbage patch is a worthwile effort all by itself with no further economic incentive entangled. \nEDIT: OTHER THAN THAT I FULLY ENDORSE CLEANING UP THE OCEAN, GOOD ON THEM!", "Some things end up unintentionally. A shipping container falls over during transport. A tsunami carries out a lot of items from homes that intended to continue using them. A.large gust of wind takes someone's property and throws it into a waterway.", "Some countries are banning disposable plastics.", "I go through sunglasses pretty quickly. Should probably recycle the trash into something more long lived. Like trash cans.", "It fell into the ocean.", "If picking up 30 pounds of trash saves 20 fish then it isn't a waste of time. Humans can be effective at cleaning up. Obviously plastic should be limited but thats the hardest thing to change at the moment. A 1000 rivers provide 80% of the trash in the ocean so limiting that can drastically reduce plastic trash. And you can use barges to collect most of that.\n\nYou need 4 different phases to reduce trash pollution. 1. Government reduction of plastic 2. Better collection of trash before it enters rivers 3. Better collection in rivers before it enters the ocean 4. Ocean clean up.\n\nAll 4 phases have to happen. Either help and donate money to #teamSeas to help with phase #2 & #3 or Shut Up. Saying it can't be done is just plain wrong and wasting others time", "So better to do nothing, right? \nOr, what's your idea?", "Am still not sold on idea that oil guzzling boats should be dragging that net but it does seem like there's no other option currently. That said, they did make a claim that 90% of garbage comes from 1% of the rivers (or something like that), so ideally cleanup systems need to be placed there and public educated.", "Youre right, we totally should just leave the plastic in the ocean.", "Corporations control most governments and politicians will seldom go against their masters. So phase 1 is therefore impossible.", "It’s 2021 altruism is secondary to profit, no exceptions/s", "came here to say this", "I'm sorry but this is a waste of time, effort and fuel. This is not the best way to clean the garbage. \n\nLet us think about it for one minute here. Those ships had to steam all the way out to the ocean between the west coast USA and Hawaii. They only were able to clean 9 metric tons of garbage in one haul. Those are some horrible numbers. \n\nThey need to go back to the drawing board and figure out a better way to clean this plastic waste from the ocean\n\nPerhaps purse seining the plastic from the sea is not the best way?\n\nEdit: It appears I've hurt some of your feelings with my statement of fact. You're right, keep sending out these ocean going tugs to purse seine 9,000 kilograms of plastic from the sea. I bet they burned 1,000 tons of fuel to get their and back (1,000,000 kilograms) but at least then your feelings won't be hurt, and you can always be right.", "It would make more sense if you had a time machine and enough power to convince humanity not to do that shit but since that's science-fiction it's easier for a non-profit to just start cleaning up. It's also better at raising awareness than complaining on social networks or similar slacktivist work.", "Technically none. It has been illegal to throw plastic overboard for a long time now IAW Marpol annex. Violations can be met with big fines.", "It is already illegal", "Oh shit, it would! Thanks man, you solved it.", "This is fantastic! I remember when it was just an idea of his, when it first made waves online. Awesome to see it come to fruition. Slat deserves a fucking Nobel prize for actually pulling this off. It is a massive service to the whole planet.", "Pot. Kettle. Black.", "Yikes. Tone down the cynicism. How can you look at a project like this and decide it's worse than it not existing in the first place? Do you really think these guys that spent 10 years of their life thinking about ocean plastic hadn't thought of the things you're saying here?\n\nA lot of micro-plastics are coming from the breakdown of plastics so of course cleaning up the big pieces helps with micro-plastics too.\n\nAt the end of the video they mentioned they're trying to go carbon neutral with the ships so obviously they know it's hypocritical to use diesel for an eco project.\n\nBeing all doomer about these things isn't helping anyone, especially when you're making dishonest arguments just for the sake of being contrarian.", "The sunglasses will not be covering expenses lol, they are just for publicity.\n\nThe biggest sponsor of this project is maersk, this is going to cost billions to do eventually so you need corporate sponsorship.", "Watch the video. They're attempting to stem the flow of plastics coming from rivers as well. Stopping plastics from entering the river would be tricky, winds will grab light stuff, hurricanes and tsunamis happen. Stemming the flow of plastic use would be best, and they're trying to push that agenda as well.", "\nRead some stuff like the two links below, then tell me that this intervention is really going to make any real difference at all.\nRemoving trash to make something less ugly, is very different to removing persistent microscopic plastics from our biosphere.\nI would suggest you are not looking at this catastrophe at the right level.\n\nhttps://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/plastic-planet-how-tiny-plastic-particles-are-polluting-our-soil\n\nhttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-20389-4_6&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwifg_28nYH0AhUQExoKHZkfBDYQFnoECAsQAg&usg=AOvVaw19v9UW7YUpVL6WdI1pzRAp", "Jup, they have the right intention but even with a thousand ships this wouldnt make a difference. As long as we keep using single use plastics the plastic soup remains.", "You know how easy it is to see when someone only watches the first few minutes of a video", "If you have a better available solution share it.\n\nBecause right now The Ocean Cleanup is the only company/organisation doing something about the plastic pollution in the Oceans and in the rivers.", "Who smokes pot from a kettle? His skin color has nothing to do with the conversation.", "This is the best way unless you have a better idea...", "The glasses are publicity and proof of concept.", "Basically every single developed country is phasing out single use plastics.\n\nBasically every single developed country has a plan to go zero carbon.\n\nAnd plenty of developing countries as well \n\n\nThis project is sponsored by maersk.\n\nThe are multiple are international agreements.", ">cleaning up the garbage patch is a worthwile effort all by itself with no further economic incentive entangled\n\nYeah, but most companies aren't in the business of doing things with no economic incentive entangled. Take for example, Apple not providing a charger to \"reduce waste\". \n\nDo you really believe that is the case? They cut down costs while charging you an extra fee to buy the charger even though it produces more waste that way. Or even the fact that they continue using lightning ports instead of USB-C.", "It's a PR campaign and not some serious attempt to clean the ocean.", "God bless these people", "And there's Jeremy who makes large purchases at the container store then heads down to the beach with his homemade trebuchet.\n\nJeremy's a prick.", "They almost certainly didn't use it on purpose to prove a point.", " You think u/hxr failed to use punctuation in their reply to another user about failing to use punctuation? Maybe u/hxr did that intentionally to make a point? That may be the better assumption.", "I think those are used for fish", "you clearly didnt watch the video. this is only version 2 and they are obviously working to improve those failures and they are already investing in river clean-up which is the best way but you cant make any progress giving up on the first hurdle", "They're from the fishing industry", "They're not doing just one haul, fella. He said it, it's thousands with 10 different systems", "They have plans to scale it up and be carbon neutral. You would know all this if you'd watch the video. It may be a feel good operation but at least they're doing something. If you have a better solution, I'm sure their team will be happy to listen", "And itd be back in 2 weeks bruh", "Well you'll have to wait a long time because right now they aren't cleaning up more than what goes into the ocean on a yearly basis. They will have to scale up their operations if they hope to actually tackle the garbage patch and clean it up, like scale up their operations alot.", "ah yes because it took only 2 weeks to create the garbage patch.", "I just watched the video. There was not much garbage", "He also spoke in class today.", "That's what I'm trying to say", "They should just put the nets at the mouths of those rivers. Make it their problem.", "That is demonstrably false. The ocean cleanup is NOT the only one. \n\nPlease educate yourself, Sir or Ma'am, and get out from behind your keyboard", "PR for what?", "They are used by fishing boats.", "That is also false. 3,000 trips will not do it. I work on the ocean lol. Whoever wrote that sits in an office, definitely", "So what are the other 9 systems? How much garbage did they get?", "Now take all that plastic, melt them into dense bricks for building material and use it to build homes for people.", "Most plastic garbage in the ocean is actually deposited by rivers in third world countries that don't have functioning municipal services, so the residents throw their garbage in the rivers and it eventually ends up in the ocean. The Ocean Cleanup also has a program called [River Cleanup](https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/). Mark Rober and MrBeast recently did a video about that program.", "Cool, share them for the rest of the class", "Is the recess lady okay?", "Great, but where are they going to put all that garbage?", "Is all your garbage magically compostable?", "One does not simply do “all” their laundry.", "OK, for one, immediately cease sending those tugs out to sea to purse seine the plastic. The amount of fuel they are using to get a few tons of plastic is a big big waste and bad for the environment. \n\nThey can also only clear large garbage floating on the surface. The plastic waste also floats below the surface which they are missing. They can only grab it in a calm to moderate sea state. Too choppy and they will be unable to grab this garbage. They majority of plastic pollution is also microplastic in nature. Too small to be grabbed by this thing. \n\nI would have to invent some type of other, low energy intensive vehicle. It would go to the garbage patch and begging filtering and sucking up / discharging the water. Larger barges would come out with lots of the smaller vehicle and they could transfer the plastic waste to the barges. Think of those bugs that perch above lakes and ponds. Perhaps some vehicle like that", "I love uplifting news and it is always wonderful to see positivity in the media. BUT, sweet Jesus Tap Dancing Christ, those sunglasses are 200 euros. I want to help, but fuck you. Please provide reasonably priced shit or I'm going to the dollar store to buy cheap Chinese shit 'cause I'm broke.", "Reddit loves this project but there's [a lot of reason](https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/9/18175940/ocean-cleanup-breaks-plastic-pollution-silicon-valley-boyan-slat-wilson) [to be sceptical](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/ocean-cleanup-project-could-destroy-neuston/580693/).\n\nEdit: I'm not an expert on this. All I wanted to do was share some criticism I've heard from experts, to add a wider diversity of opinion. The pieces I've read are linked above and [here](https://gizmodo.com/the-dream-of-scooping-plastic-from-the-ocean-is-still-a-1847890573?fbclid=IwAR2ZCHmdgnP97xf1Wny9Qd2GHhyh17oM5o-Q3Xs7wSJEdiZTHi5OQTIIUyc).", "Genuine laugh out loud moment. Thank you.", "wow thats like a lot of punctuation did you like borrow it from somebody or something", "Bit of cosmetic surgery and she'll be fine.", "Lots of people have better ideas, Ocean Cleanup just has a better marketing department. That you believe they are the ONLY company/organization doing something about plastic pollution is proof of that.\n\nStopping the flow of plastic into the ocean via rivers would be something that would stop far more plastic than Ocean Cleanup is going to be able to cleanup with their rig there. They already know how to do it as well, with things that sit at river outlets and collect garbage with paddlewheel like devices.\n\nWe need to reduce our plastic use overall, implement massive capture and recycling/incineration of plastic and most especially, regulate the fishing industry's disposal practices since a huge proportion of the plastic waste is discarded fishing and boating gear.\n\nWhat ocean cleanup is doing is trying to fix a leaky faucet by sopping up the water on the floor with a tiny tiny sponge, but doing nothing about the source. It's doomed to failure as long as the faucet keeps leaking.", "Please, sweetie, their sole purpose is to extract money to pretend to clean the ocean. They're funded by Maersk. I worked for them, Maersk is one of the biggest polluters on the planet. Open a book for once in your life \n\nBut no, I don't know shit 😂", "...all by the same governments controlled by the polluting corporations. China is the world's largest polluter and they couldn't care less about international laws/agreements.", "They have already specific systems for rivers and started placing them at the end of huge rivers", "It's proof on concept and for publicity.", "Catch and release, the sustainable way.", "No Mr Beast #teamseas plug?\n\nLet's go, donate if you can, for every dollar they will clean up the ocean for 1 pound !", "8/10 of the most ocean polluting cities in the world are in East or SE Asia.\n\nJakarta, Manila, Shanghai etc.", "I'm confused - I guess this is not the final stage yet? My last info on the project was that these barges would be automated and basically drift along collecting trash. Or is this just the proof of concept on a large scale, and more is yet to come?", "Yeah, how are these guys going to deal with the Sargasso Sea?", "The United Nations for one. The IMO. Please, take even five seconds to look up the Marpol annexs and regulations. You'll see that effort has been underway since the 1970's to curtail plastic waste from ever reaching the ocean. \n\nBut, no, this company who you've never heard of until watching this one video is the only one doing it 😂", "I think it is covered in the video briefly but ocean cleanup actually has some systems in rivers too. If I recall correctly these are actually solar powered. Don't know if they are educating the public.", "Turn it into pellets for manufacturing use.", "How could I forget?", "What can be recycled is recycled, the rest goes to regular waste disposal streams (landfill).", "They are doing exactly that lol.", "Does washing it and leaving it wet until its gross and then washing it again classify doing your laundry", "I see none of you have ever gone and looked at the areas just off highways. Yes, even your trash is there and no it isn't worse in Red States (if you're American). The neighborhoods where peope claim to be the most environmentally friendly are guilty of the very same garbage heaps whether I'm surveying in New York or deep in Texas. You ALL are some gross idiots.", "It’s complete bullshit.", "I can't see how after he hit you with that surprise left.", "They covered that in the video in a segment about scaling it up and launching many more ships with larger collection systems.", "If you cut your leg open in the kitchen you don't start mopping the floor. This all means nothing until we stop dumping this shit in the ocean.", "Hailey Smith would be proud", "First article is a bit out of date. The new system they're using is quite different from the ambitious autonomous design.", "I think that is why they are also targeting the rivers to make sure it is not back in 2 weeks.", "Mrbeast. That's all. God bless you guys.", "Did you not watch the video?", ">Stopping the flow of plastic into the ocean via rivers would be something that would stop far more plastic than Ocean Cleanup is going to be able to cleanup with their rig there.\n\nWell of course - that's obvious and currently being dealt with separately. But that's doesn't change the fact that there is a vast field of garbage floating in the middle of the Pacific ocean that needs cleaning. And you're dismissing this by saying there are better ways to deal with it, yet offering none of these \"better ways\".", "Watch the video.", "Why don't we just put nets at the mouths of the rivers?", "Right, someone has to be \"qualified\" to see that this is a waste. If you don't have an environmental engineering degree and published peer reviewed research, you aren't allowed to criticize or examine this ocean cleanup. Sorry, I forgot", ">I go through sunglasses pretty quickly.\n\nBuy better sunglasses. I've had two pairs in the past 10 years. Only bought my most recent pair this year.", "Ah I didn‘t watch to the end.", "Really needed some good news and this cheered me up a little. He says \"we just need to do this 2000 more times\". Sounds doable. One of many seemingly impossible problems for the world but this one may actually get solved.", "Yes, and their replacement solution is just trawling for plastic. They spent years and millions on R&D and in the end invented fishing for plastic.", "Are you trolling? How do you think the UN would actually dealing with this? News flash: they'd send ships with big nets to scoop it out.", "So the companies who cause pollution can pretend they did something", "And? If it works, it works.", "Because that would dam the rivers eventually? If they're not cleaning up their cities, why do you think they'll go scoop out a net?", "I know, they don't want to hear it though and won't listen", "Here's something more recent then.\n\n>“They spent I don’t know how many tens of millions of dollars to invent fishing,” said Miriam Goldstein, the director of ocean policy at the Center for American Progress, who holds a Ph.D. in biological oceanography. The System 002, Goldstein said, is “a net dragged between two boats. We have a name for a net dragged between two boats, and that’s trawl fishing. Like, yeah, you’re going to collect stuff if you drag a net behind a boat. I’m sure they’re collecting trash.”\n\n[source](https://gizmodo.com/the-dream-of-scooping-plastic-from-the-ocean-is-still-a-1847890573?fbclid=IwAR2ZCHmdgnP97xf1Wny9Qd2GHhyh17oM5o-Q3Xs7wSJEdiZTHi5OQTIIUyc)", "I didn't say they, I said we.", "If you read The Atlantic article, you will see the ecological concerns are real.", "Aliexpress should start throwing mail into the rivers, then ups can pick it up from the pacific and deliver it the final stretch \n\nMight arrive faster", "Isn't that just a fishing net?", "Don't worry, this is the same type of guy who said EVs wouldn't become a thing because of the range", "The sunglasses sales were for publicity and to raise funds to go back into the project. They will have obviously been bought by people who could afford them and wanted to put their money towards something they believed in. Think of it as a 200 dollar donation to a charity and you got a pair of sunglasses as a memento and a thank you for supporting type gesture. It was also proof of concept, taking plastic from the oceans and making it back into something useful, just as a demonstration. \n\nI bet they sold or will sell every pair.", "If you watch [Mark Rober's latest video on teamseas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU&ab_channel=MarkRober), the founder of this company explains how their goal is to position these vehicles at the source where all this plastic is coming into the ocean. Something like 99% of plastic in the Ocean comes from 1% of rivers, so if they cover the 1% they can stop the 99% going into the bigger ocean.\n\nNeuston don't really live in those 1% of rivers I believe so hopefully no big impact is caused to them. I could be wrong here though.", "\n>Please educate yourself, Sir or Ma'am, and get out from behind your keyboard\n\nRich coming from you.\n\nNothing but criticism. It's easy to be negative instead of doing something", "I don't understand the argument being made here. Their system is designed to avoid catching marine life and seems to successfully collect trash. What's the problem?", "I just toss my dirty clothes into the river and buy new ones. What am I, a peasant?", "How's the jaw, by the way?", "Look into Team Seas.", "That move by Apple 100% reduces waste.\n\nSource: Am in the E-Waste industry that processes Apple's material.", "Because someone will need to pay for it and it would require \"us\" sending \"our people\" to live with \"them\" full time, and putting our infrastructure in their waterways. Logistically, this is very challenging. The ideal solution to this specific problem would probably be developing their economy to a point where they can do it themselves and pay people to maintain the project. But that takes a long time and a lot of money continously arriving over that time period. It's all theoretically doable, but it's not something we can just easily set in motion", "... _game_ journalists? Why specifically _game_ journalists?", "Not saying it doesn't. But that wasn't why they did it. If they were so concerned about waste, they wouldn't be fighting the right to repair movement", "And the idea that trying to make that autonomous system was a waste of time and money is silly. It would have been a much more efficient way to do it, had it been viable for catching smaller trash. That research will be invaluable for figuring out how to make purely autonomous collection devices in the future. Knowing what doesnt work is even more valuable that what does work sometimes.", "Such an epic reddit skeptic moment bro, you're so awesomely skeptical bro. If only we could use u/zazaza89's skepticism to power an ocean cleanup, we'd be done already bro, way quicker then this stupid fucking net LOL. Their fishing for plastic bro, and i'm like.. Kinda skeptical about plastic fishing because like, plastic doesn't even taste good bro. Millions of dollars in R&D for plastic fishing? My skeptic alarms are going off at that bro, and reddit likes it? That's double skeptic levels. Our skepticism is about to hit ludicrous speed bro, why can't they make a boat with that bro and clean up the ocean bro. No one wants plastic fish bro, that makes me very skeptical bro.", "Well unfortunately we are past the point of cleaning this mess up by carefully sifting through every piece of material to make sure we don't disturb any ecosystems. Unless someone has evidence that a massive cleanup will do more harm than good, I'm willing to support a net good process rather than waiting for some perfect solution that may come too late or not at all.", "I'm not a scientist, I'm just sharing criticism I've read from scientists. The main criticism seems to be the potential for harm to the neuston.", ">esp in the US\n\nCheap single use plastic isn't something the US is known for being a big exporter or producer of. For example, only 2 of the 20 biggest plastic bag manufacturers are in the US (albeit, they're at the top of the list).\n\nAnd, according to the people aiding in this venture, 80% of the trash in the ocean comes from just 1% of rivers. These 1% are in extremely poor, underdeveloped, areas... none of which are in the US.\n\nYes, the fact that these pollutants are being produced is a big issue. But undeveloped areas having literally no choice but to dump trash out of their homes and into rivers is the biggest issue at hand.\n\nThere either needs to be a system of collection down stream (what is trying to be done here) or something needs to be done to help build out a more formal trash collection system within the poorer communities.", "Cool little tid bit is that hydro dams filters most object out before it goes in. Bad news is that they just dump it back into the river", "These sort of baskets are commonly used on small boats in all the major Asian rivers (Yangtze, Yellow, Mekong, etc). People use them for storing all sorts of things.\n\nMost of the plastic in the Pacific comes from these rivers, so...", "I see what you’re saying. But this doesn’t strike me as an effort to make money so much as a way to (partially) answer the “what do we do with all the plastic” question as well as give people a way to be connected to the effort. You have these glasses with the code you can scan to see where they came from, and every time you put them on you’re thinking about the project, probably talking to people about it. It’s promotional material.", "I'm trying to communicate to you that you are operating on a faulty premise. The giant field of garbage is a symptom of a disease. In medicine, you don't treat the symptoms. Like, if I have cancer, and it's giving me headaches, taking aspirin won't help me survive the cancer. \n\nThe Ocean Cleanup is treating the symptom. The Ocean doesn't spontaneously generate plastic to clean up and their rig only cleans up a tiny proportion of the garbage in the garbage patch, only the relatively large pieces. All the smaller bit will remain and will continue to be added to.\n\nEven if they scaled up and used 3000 ships and claim they are \"done\" there will still be 95% of the garbage patch left, in the form of very small plastic particles.\n\nI'm saying you have to stop the flow of the plastic into the Ocean. Cleaning things up typically doesn't start until the problem is solved. I laid out several of the better ideas that could be done to stop plastic pollution:\n\n* Capture and incinerate plastic that would go into landfills.\n* Capture and incinerate plastic that would flow into the ocean via rivers.\n* Regulate the fishing industry to stop plastic waste and force the industry to adopt proper disposal practices.\n* Remove plastics from any product it can be removed from (straws, disposable cups and lids, healthcare and beauty products, grocery bags, etc.)\n\nThese are all better ways to clean up the garbage patch because they will stop parts of the flow of plastic to it. Until we do that, nothing ocean cleanup does matters. And after we stop the flow, we can solve the problem of the floating, remaining garbage, since it will stop growing.\n\nBut you believe what you want. Next time your faucet starts leaking though I suggest calling a plumber and not taking the Ocean Cleanup route of just trying to soak up the water with paper towels.", "Im all about constructive criticism but the articles only alternative offered is\n\n\"Place a modified design closer to plastic sources—river mouths and \nbays—to catch plastic before it enters the open ocean. Choose a place \nwhere it can be monitored and corrected for environmental impact\" \n\nwhich is just a trash wheel. Its a great idea but you'd need all these countries on board. In addition its just not possible for every major mouth because of shipping routes and fishing. Its a nice idea but not possible for every country. It also doesn't combat whats already in the ocean. \n\nI didn't know about a lot of the Neuston Ecosystem so I do thank you for educating me there. Hopefully advancements continue to protect this.", "I mean, basically any upstream reduction of plastic is more affective than anything they're doing. This is the epitome of a band aid fix. \n\nBan manufacturers from using any plastic packaging of any kind. Only allow biodegradable options. I'm sure these massive R&D departments can figure it out if given the insentive of \"you can't sell product at all until you fix this\". \n\nYes prices will go up. Yes, life will become a hair more difficult on consumers. But if ocean ecosystems collapse (which is very near) than millions of people will starve. We are far past the point where an effective solution wont affect our day to day lives.", "This quote isn't even really criticism. It's just saying they're doing something obvious. Obvious solutions are not necessarily bad ones.\n\nFrom the two articles there seems to be some main criticisms:\n\n1. It could harm aquatic life.\n2. It's addressing the problem too far downstream.\n3. It's just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of plastic pollution.\n\nPoint 1 should be carefully studied to see what the cost-benefit of this intervention is, but points 2 and 3 seem like criticisms of our society, not of this project.", "Nuuh I'm more skeptical than you. I win.", "Mr trash wheel did an ama a few years ago\n\nReddit - IAmA - I am Mr. Trash Wheel, I’m a trash-eatin’ free-wheelin’ trash wheel in Baltimore’s harbor, I’m hosting a special AMA for Earth Day! https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4fzb1w/i_am_mr_trash_wheel_im_a_trasheatin_freewheelin/", "So many laundry baskets", "Because of ships and fish you need something a little bit more sophisticated than just a net.", "Sometimes well-intentioned altruism is harmful! I'm not a scientist, I'm just sharing criticism I've heard from scientists!\n\nCongratulations on maybe making a point, I guess? Not sure really what point it is you're making, but I'm sure there's one in there somewhere.", "It's not designed to avoid catching surface-dwelling organisms, and they've admitted themselves that they have no idea how much they're catching of those. The most recent post I saw from them said they assumed it was less than 90% of them, which is somehow okay?? Like killing 80% of surface life would be acceptable.", "Had not heard of neuston! Thought that was a typo at first. For anyone reading this, they're organisms that live in a thin film at the surface of water.\n\nThat seems like a valid concern. I guess the question is whether the plastic is doing more harm and if removing it is a net benefit (pardon the pun).\n\nI was just confused because the quote you chose seemed to be mocking the effort without raising an actual issue. Thanks for sharing!", "So, this is awesome. But I can’t help but wonder… since they make the sunglasses out of pelletized plastic you could assume that recycled plastic can be valuable. If it can be valuable, why wouldn’t “green” companies lobby to collect all recyclables, aiding in infrastructure in municipalities to better collect before plastic hits the trash bin?", "Sorry I meant the first article. There's a justified accusation that this project is treating the symptoms and not the disease. But the project has identified how most plastic is reaching the ocean, is focussing clean-up efforts on those rivers, and is supporting communities, education, and logistics in these areas to help reduce the problem.\n\nWhatever happens, this work needs to be done. Regardless of whether you think bigger change needs to happen first, i.e. mass consumerist behaviour, plastic production etc., we will need to clean up this plastic. Better now than never. This is also a somewhat focussed and localised problem that someone can realistically tackle: identify the biggest polluting rivers, identify where most plastic is in the ocean, go and get it. You can't really just collect money and turn off the plastic tap by telling everyone in the world to stop buying plastic. Especially in poor developing countries where they have little to no choice, and no infrastructure to dispose of or recycle plastic in a meaningful way. Let's at least do something while we still can?", "This plus they could just tell \"us\" to fuck off. It's their country. What are we going to do, start a war over fucking garbage?", "All good points. However, the piles of shit is all the while dumping out from the rivers and harbors. \n\nI suspect that funding a net setup to catch it from, say, the Indus or the Ganges, would cost a lot less than dragging the net in this post all over the Pacific.", "8 million metric tonnes of plastic enters the oceans every year. So there is probably more than 500 million metric tonnes accumlated over the years in there. Now what is 500 million divided by 9 ? About 55 million trips. Does this sound feasable to you? Even with a thousand ships they are not even making a dent. Maybe you should pick up a math book instead of watching mark rober videos.", "Lol but for real though it seems like for any step of progress Reddit just goes IT ISN'T PERFECT THO WHAT ABOUT THE X/Y/Z THAT THIS DOESN'T FIX HMMMMMM?!?! \n\nlike fuck we all know we need more than one solution. At least these guys are actually trying things and making progress. Sure one small team can't fix 100% of the plastic pollution, maybe we should help them instead of arm chair engineering", "Are you suggesting permanent nets to capture outgoing trash? That would prevent fish migration between river and marine environments, which many species rely on for spawning and feeding. In short, without considering other potential problems, it would wreak havoc fish populations, many of which are already struggling.", "There is an initiative to do that! Not nets, but [trash collecting machines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU). You can donate to their cause. The problem is that you need someone to manage the robots and that requires a local government to be on-board. A net alone wouldn't solve the problem, the trash would build up too quickly... The trash needs to be able to be removed and taken to an actual disposal site.", "So they tried to make an autonomous system but failed? That's not a waste of money, that's just how science and innovation works. Yes obviously they'd have been better off just going straight to this \"fishing\" technique (which specifically avoids catching fish, it's not like they could have just rented a trawler), but hindsight is 20/20 and the benefits of an autonomous system would have been huge.", "Damnit he's right. /u/cornybloodfarts you skeptical bastard.", "My example of this not existing: Raleigh NC recycle program consists of dumping all recyclables together into a huge bin and notoriously gets rejected by the cargo container for contamination. The recycle process itself needs to reflect what little podunk towns in NY do/have done - they have a town dump with a recycle facility where you bring and sort your recyclables for distribution.", "I’m about to throw YOU in the ocean if you don’t stop askin such dumb questions", ">I'm saying you have to stop the flow of the plastic into the Ocean.\n\nAnd I'm saying \"No shit sherlock\". \n\nMoving on...\n\nYou still don't get it. That garbage needs to be removed irrespective of whether there is or is not new inputs being moved in. Your claim \"there will still be 95% of the garbage patch left, in the form of very small plastic particles.\" might be true, but you've provided nothing to support that assertion.\n\nMaybe this particular effort isn't very effective. I don't know, and I hate the corporate handjob they're giving themselves here in the video. But your perspective is massively flawed r.e. not dealing with the current patch.", "One of the problems of plastics is that they are non degradable, and are also not recyclable. \nOnly a very small part of all plastics used is actually able to be recycled, and even less of that can be done so economically.", "\n>The biggest sponsor of this project is maersk\n\nThis feels all lot like cigarette companies calling cigarettes with filters safe or healthy.\n\nIsn't it in Maersk's interest to keep global shipping of cheap, disposable, plastic consumer goods going at a high pace and focus efforts on cleanup rather than holding manufactures responsible for the lifetime of their products?", "Water the other two?", "I'd like to thank my Mom and Dad, they supported me every step of the way and I owe it all to them! And obviously I owe a lot to the American education system, as well as smoking weed before my brain fully developed. Thanks!", "At the end of most of the rivers that end up in the Baltimore Harbor, we have [Trash Wheels](https://www.mrtrashwheel.com/). Basically they are solar and hydro-powered garbage conveyor belts that pick up trash and puts it in dumpsters. Then a boat comes and replaces the full dumpsters with empty ones. They work great.", "And yet, corporations fight tooth and nail against any such measures, and are sometimes even getting existing ones revoked by government officials.", "Nasty breast infection", "I totally agree! That last sentence has me confused though lol", "Half of this thread can be answered in the 8 min video :)\n\nYou gotta love reddit", "What was stopping work on this before now? Effort? Laziness? What was stopping people from grabbing trash by hand or with shovels n shit? I'm bothered that nothing was being done until we built something to do it for us.", "So.. it’s a big ocean condom.", "Lol typos", "I would guess India (Ganges river is disgusting). Just looked online quick and the top 6 countries were China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, and Thailand.", "> You'll see that effort has been underway since the 1970's to curtail plastic waste from ever reaching the ocean.\n\nThey did great.", "This is amazing. Where do I donate to this cause?", ">Who throws what look to be perfectly usable laundry baskets into the ocean?\n\nFishing cutters. Most of this garbage looks like it comes from fishing vessels.", "Yeah, but the US imports it. Do you think they would produce that much if the US wasn't using so much? Stuff falls into the ocean from container ships all the time.", "> 80% of the plastic flowing from rivers come from 1% of rivers\n\nWas the stat. A very specific statistic.", "This won’t do much unfortunately. The big threat is microplastics. They’re in everything we eat. Who knows what they’ll do to biology everywhere once they build up to toxic levels, or have had enough time to do something if they already have.", "I think the creation of plastic was a big big mistake.", "Sorry, I was going off memory", "I was thinking it would be tragic if one day they scoop up a pair of those $200 sunglasses in their nets.", "Oh they absolutely know what theyre doing makes no difference. They love spending their donations on massive social media marketing campains tho. They say the organization is a non-profit but I suspect someone is making a killing of this.", "if i remember correctly, they said most common thing in ocean is toothbrush.\nthey are active on \nr/TheOceanCleanup", "I feel like I hear about the new miracle way to clean the oceans several times a year.", "I love this. Everything about this.", "I'm so cynical these days I was waiting with bated breath to see what the catch was... Uh... other than the garbage, I mean.", "Exactly, reddit had such a big hype-boner for this project and its creators talk like it’s a solution to the plastic crisis while at most it’s a low-impact management system. \n\nThe danger is that this ocean cleanup will distract from a true, structural solution which is to go to the source of the problem: the massive and growing scale of plastic production.", "Upvoted for exposure", "This is the beginning of something good, but I feel the need to mention that this only addresses 5% of the problem, literally what's floating in front of us. Majority of the plastics sink...", "They should partner with the boys from Japan that are making diesel fuel out of scrap plastic!!! That way they can fuel their boats directly off of the plastic that they are harvesting! It's an easy process and I bet they could even do it on the boat while they're out harvesting!", "Lol the poster above you is a clown.\n\nIt is a healthy to think about things critically without supporting them. Also, when the organization is raising $30M using primarily social media clickbait (not faulting the YouTubers, just saying), a dose of healthy skepticism is appreciated.", "whoosh", "And what if it isn’t net good? What if Neuston are really really important to the ecosystem and we end up killing 80% of them by doing this? Who knows? If we end up having to do this for long enough, we might drive that ecosystem to extinction. Is that a risk you’re willing to take? There’s a chance we could make the problem worse.", "Isn't the patch like the size of Texas? Not to take anything away from them, but that's pretty big.", "How can people just throw shit into the ocean like this? Human beings are the worst.", "Laundry baskets are cheap. I could imagine someone cleaning out their house, tossing a lot of junk into a laundry basket, and putting it out for the trash pickup, which eventually gets dumped off a garbage scow into the ocean.", "let em at it \nwe've had record sargasso reaching our beaches this year in Puerto Rico\n\nseriously tho, one of the aerial shots had a Republica Dominicana logo on the floor, seems they're operating close by so they've surely thought about sargasso by now.", "You know multiple groups can work on multiple efforts right?", "And it doesn’t address microplastics.", "Burry what can’t be recycled deep into bedrock.", "I think you’re giving that person too much credit.", "Because of the Neuston?", "US imported plastic ends up in Asian rivers? No. These places just don't have well developed waste disposal infrastructure a lot of illegal dumping so it ends up in the rivers.", "Half of aliexpress/dollarstores should literally be illegal. We talk about climate change yet, there is millions of unnecessary garbage items on there that do nothing but fill up the environment with trash plastic.", "The way he pronounces Yves Behar ohhh nononono", "some of those efforts are wasting resources, and done mostly for the PR and make you feel better about consuming this", "How many tons of CO2 do these two towing ships produce per ton of plastic captured?\n\nReally hope they can find a way to implement zero emissions technology into their system.", "ITT: no one that actually watched the video", "You got a belly laugh out of me with this one", "I just don't see how this doesn't kill hundreds of fish.", "Designer sun glasses cost significantly more they are just for publicity and are a proof of concept.", "Wars have been fought over less.", "Why would I need an influencer involved? Just donate to the ocean cleanup directly.", "Surely there is some solution that can capture garbage without keeping fish from their spawning patterns?", "Exactly right. They already cover this in the video, if you bother to watch the entire thing until the end. As they stated, stopping plastic at the source is paramount, requiring education (especially in the most contributing countries), global legislation, economic pressures, and possibly new technologies to be invented. They readily admit that this cleanup effort is purely about cleaning up what is there _today_, while other measures are necessary to ensure the garbage patch doesn't come back.", "And how is this one?\n\nWorking on ways to clean the ocean should be praised, not rejecting by pessimistic little basement goblins.", "Interesting! Never saw that before.", "Do your research. Ocean Cleanup has a system developed for precisely this, the Interceptor.", "They will remove 1 pound of garbage for every 1 dollar donated.", "Watching that Mark Robert / Mr Beast River clean up video, the net idea works. It only had to extend about a foot into the water, and it catches the floating plastic debris whine still allowing the fish to pass through.", "In the UK people do this because they want another color, we are human, we are dumb.", "dude. Of course it isn't. what do you except? you dumb plastic into ocean in first place. cleaning it not easy. \n\nstart with not using plastic.", "Kids and teens are more likely to donate or ask their parents to donate if their favorite YouTuber or whatever is part of it", "Ever heard the phrase \"you have to learn to walk before you can run\"? This is essetially a proof-of-concept prototype. It can be scaled up, and future iterations will improve on the design.", "How does a non profit manage to get millions of dollars to pay for yatchs, crews, R&D, ect? This is awesome and I support this 100% but I was always just curious how something like this just comes to fruition?", "The real mistake is the massive dependence on oil and natural gas of our society, plastic is just a by-product of their production.", "Because like it or not without his involvement this wouldn’t get anywhere near the attention it is getting(or money).", "The idea that we can actually clean the oceans is pretty fucking stupid, the ocean will clean itself once we stop putting these toxics in it. You clearly have no idea of how big of a space we are talking about, but cool on you for gobbling up this green wash bullshit.", "why don't you design one? more efficient way.", "Why use many words when few words do trick?", "Mr Beast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpxHM__a_Qk\n\nMark Rober: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU\n\nWebsite: https://teamseas.org", "Net is only on the surface, fish can swim freely.", "The only legitimate reason I would say it would be better to donate to #teamseas is because it is currently trending with Gen Z and Gen A. If we keep that hashtag viral, the younger generations will be more inclined to not only include themselves in the project, but spread the word more as well.", "Actually I just didn't like the color anymore and the ocean was closer than the dumpster.", "Hurricanes and Tsunamis regularly throw the entire contents of coastal communities into the ocean.", "Don't know the specifics in this one but it is possible for them to have a better conversion rate through increased awareness and donor matching.", "so many people here say, \"why do they use ships which use fossil fuel\" or \"those plastic catching nets are also trapping fish\"\n\nwell, first of all you should stop using plastic then complain about the cleaning prosses. you recklessly use plastic and throw it away but suddenly you care about fish?\n\nplease.", "\\>That garbage needs to be removed irrespective of whether there is or is not new inputs being moved in.\n\nYeah, and I'm telling you that whatever Ocean Cleanup is doing is irrelevant until you stop the flow of garbage into the patch. Removing .001% of the trash every month while the patch grows by .01% every day means Ocean Cleanup is expending resources to do less than nothing. They aren't even stopping the patch from growing and couldn't, not without thousands more of these things.\n\n\\> But your perspective is massively flawed r.e. not dealing with the current patch.\n\nI'm not against dealing with the patch. I'm against people claiming they are dealing with the patch when that is demonstrably untrue.", "It's also like using a tootgpick to clean a airplane hanger in terms of surface area.", "#teamseas", "Ya im very curious about what their further autonomous plans are. They mentioned it in the video but didn't elaborate. Either way freakin awesome! Also let's ban single use plastics", "Two years and they won't exist. \n\nNot that they'll have grown into something else, but all the people involved and all the sources of money, will have moved on to completely different projects not related to cleaning up the oceans. \n\nRemindMe! 2 years\n\nI mean god damn we need this to make the earth a better place, but it's a nonprofit and all the jolly happy little young guys have big \"venture capital\" energy. As soon as they're bored with it, they'll abandon it (cleaning up the ocean). I want to be wrong.", "> since they make the sunglasses out of pelletized plastic you could assume that recycled plastic can be valuable\n\nThat's exactly the problem, recycled plastic as whole isn't* valuable. It's more expensive to recycle existing plastic into new products than it is to just make new plastic.\n\nThis makes the majority of plastic waste worse than worthless, it actually has negative value due to the cost of disposal.\n\nThey made the sunglasses as a publicity/fundraising stunt, it would have been cheaper to make them out of new plastic than recycled plastic", "Game journalists are particularly bad. Though, streaming journalists are worse. Dexerto comes to mind.", "Bc his promotion gets the project in front of the eyes of his massive following. Influencers usually do nothing good, this is one of the rare occasions where they are. Take advantage.", "Donate money to them if you want them to exist in two years.", "Not that I'm 100% sold on the idea but if it works, it would pre-emptively prevent microplastics.", "The cynic in me thinks that we don't have better recycling infrastructure due to plastic lobbyists... regardless maybe TOC can prove the business model?", "The biggest reason is that YouTube is paying all the transaction fees when you charge that to your credit card - more for Ocean work", "And the fact that they pulled garbage out of the ocean is amazing. These folk actually are making a difference. Also, the devil is in the details. A lot of reddit proposed \"solutions\" were probably already thought of, tested, and thrown out by this team ages ago as they are fully deep into this problem space.", "I've seen dumber reasons", "Where do i sign up?", "So, like, a trash dump. Which we do already?", "Yeah.", "Well it's about time and way over do NOW if they can just STOP adding to that mess MAYBE the ocean will loose some of that heat that this garbage helps keep trapped in it...\n\nN. Shadows", "I remember reading about it on reddit and tons of comments shitting on it.\n\nGlad this guy proved them wrong.", "Why can’t some of the US military budget go to cleaning the oceans?", "It's designed like a condom, change my mind.", "Donate then because they need to scale up.", "So wrong you know nothing", "No. Maersk don't care what you ship they have no interest in plastics.", "Victoria, BC represent!", "Man I would totally buy a pair of those sunglasses but $230 is too much for me", "> 8/10 of the most ocean polluting cities in the world are in East or SE Asia\n\n\"Recyclables\" from 1st world country (that's sometimes just contain straight up unsorted garbage) [doesn't help the region](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-25/plastic-pollution-waste-recycling-indonesia), especially so after [china](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/03/13/702501726/where-will-your-plastic-trash-go-now-that-china-doesnt-want-it) [stop](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/china-has-stopped-accepting-our-trash/584131/) [accepting](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/11/29/china-doesnt-want-the-worlds-trash-anymore-including-recyclable-goods/?sh=38b4d67f7290) those [soiled trash](https://e360.yale.edu/features/piling-up-how-chinas-ban-on-importing-waste-has-stalled-global-recycling).\n\nAn excerpt from the last article.\n\n>Prior to China’s ban, 95 percent of the plastics collected for recycling in the European Union and 70 percent in the U.S. were sold and shipped to Chinese processors. There, they were turned into forms to be repurposed by plastic manufacturers. Favorable rates for shipping in cargo vessels that carried Chinese consumer goods abroad and would otherwise return to China empty, coupled with the country’s low labor costs and high demand for recycled materials, made the practice profitable.\n\n>“Everyone was sending their materials to China because their contamination standard was low and their pricing was very competitive,” says Johnny Duong, acting chief operating officer of California Waste Solutions, which handles recycling for Oakland and San Jose. Like most municipal recycling programs, those cities contract with Duong’s company to collect and sort recyclable waste at its materials recovery facility, where they are baled and sent to end-market processors. Before the ban, Duong says, his company sold around 70 percent of its recyclables to China. Now, that has fallen to near zero.\n\nIt's high time to Refuse, Reduce, Reuse, Repurpose, and then Recycle (as much locally, after sorting).", "Thats what people said when they started 8 years ago. And again 2 years ago after their first run.\n\nHave some faith. Support the cause if its something you believe in.", "Luckily Gandhi hasn't stepped in with the nukes yet.", "If I remember correctly in Canada a bunch of novelty Garfield phones started washing up on the beach because a shipment crate went overboard. I think it has been down there awhile but forgot why the phones started washing up.\n\n\nArticle: [Why have Garfield Phones Been Washing Ashore in France for 30 years](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-have-garfield-phones-been-washing-ashore-france-30-years-180971835/)\n\nEdit: It was France not Canada", "Nueston, we have a problem.", "Somehow I doubt it.", "You don’t know anything about the creator of the project if that is your point of view. He started this 10+ years ago and has been his life’s passion. Now he’s in a position to both help the world dramatically and make money as well. Why would he quit?", "I agree with you in most other places, but this is literally the comments section of a video featuring the charity itself.", "For real. Just bought their sunglasses to further support the cause.", "\"the ocean will clean itself\"\n\nK.", "Nonprofit doesn’t mean they don’t make money. A nonprofit can still pay very large salaries, fund large projects, buy property, etc. if it finds itself flush with cash. I believe most hospitals operate as nonprofits.", "Exactly! And cleaning particles suspended in the air in that hanger!", "The entire point of plastic is that nature has a stupidly hard time getting rid of it you stupid, stupid child lol.", "That bitch, Katrina, threw a lotta shit in the ocean.", "Ummmm yes US imported plastic ends up in Asian rivers. Almost half of our recyclable plastic gets shipped to China and other Asian countries. \n\nhttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/us-plastic-pollution", "I'm 100% supporting him doing #teamseas, I'm wondering why inside a thread about the ocean cleanup we need to go back to mr beast, then to the ocean cleanup.\n\nAwareness doesn't really make sense here right? We're already clearly aware of the ocean cleanup project if we're in this thread.", "> made waves\n\nI see what you did there", "I agree that took me too long to understand what they were saying", "War is more profitable. Cleaning the world don't make dollars.", "What a load of rubbish!", "A large solution is to stop eating fish, almost half of the plastic in this garbage patch is discarded fishing equipment.", "And there's currently a fundraiser to clean up 30 million pounds of trash from the ocean using this technology.\n\n\\#TeamSeas\n\nhttps://youtu.be/cV2gBU6hKfY", "> One of the problems of plastics is that they are non degradable, and are also not recyclable.\n\nMaybe 20 years ago. A quick search found a few different ways scientists are able to convert plastic but it seems like most of the research is on how to convert it back to oil. That would be great if you were able to efficiently and easily turn plastic back to oil but so far it takes a huge amount of energy and water for a very small return.\n\nFor someone who is more interested in just trying to stop pollution, I don't really see the need to convert plastic to oil and would skip that part.\n\nI was watching the movie Galaxy Quest and there's that scene with the chompers where they have to jump between all the moving bits.\n\nIt'd be easier to unload a garbage truck to a conveyer system that breaks down garbage by pulverizing the hell out of it with a series of 'chompers' and hot air blowers to evaporate moisture and break everything into powder basically.\n\nRun it all into giant filter tanks and there's way to separate plastics and organics or you could use chemicals to break down the plastic so it can be disposed of as a biodegradable compound or recycled and reprocessed.", "This is so unbelievably exciting and wonderful.", "Just baseless negativity. Boyan has been working on this since he was 18 and is definitely not stopping after finally getting 2.0 and running. They also do the interceptors for river trash. This is sci-fi in real life (in my opinion)", "The US actually exports lots and lots of plastic waste to Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. Here are two graphics on it: [US states exporting plastic waste to countries with poor waste management](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55b29de4e4b088f33db802c6/1586209360818-AAT2G3234GN9AJCYG2M9/Figure+2.jpg?format=1500w) and [overall US plastic waste exports to countries with poor waste management](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55b29de4e4b088f33db802c6/1586299794789-TQ9TSTLAYOUGR40SVJA5/Corrected+Figure+1.jpg?format=1500w).\n\nIt is not at all unrealistic for US imported plastic to end up as plastic waste in Asian rivers.", "We are finding things in nature that can break it down pretty easily actually. But again this is not the solution to the problem. Not really sure what the fuck you are talking about but that's probably pretty common for such a dumb fuck. Have fun with that!", "Look at least someone is trying something to help.", "Well feel free to reveal your wisdom on this topic you seem keen to argue yet present nothing of substance to dispute with.", "War is only profitable for the military contractors who sell equipment to the military. If the military decided to buy a fleet of plastic collection ships, it would be just as profitable to the contractors, plus it would be doing a real service", "Because like him or not he's a huge public figure with tons of influence?", "Not in the ocean it's not lol. We've found a handful of bacteria that slowly break down plastics in specific conditions. At best it breaks down into trillions of particles of micro plastics that have an unknown impact on living thing, and none of it is good.\n\nI admire your confidence but dude just admit you were wrong lol. If nature could break this down there wouldn't be giant packs of it in the oceans.", "Honest question, not trying to debate anyone: \n\nWith how much fossil fuels are burned by the two giant ships during each operation, is 9000kg of trash large enough to have a net positive benefit to the environment?", "The whole special (Make Happy) is the best comedy show I've ever seen.", "Whooooosh. That's the sounds of some ocean trash flying over your head.", "Well at least he used the superior trebuchet", "Suuuurreeee the fishes can just swim under the net", "Hey stupid rich billionaires, here's a great opportunity to do some real good.", "The guy in the video said.", "It moves slower than fish swim and it's only a few metres high so they can swim under it", "How much plastic is on the ocean floor?", "Love it. Just donated.", "Here is the thing though. They caught 0.9 tonnes in one haul.\nBetween 4.8 and 12.7 million tonnes of plastic enter the ocean each year.\n\nThis means they need at least 5 million such hauls every year just to keep the ocean from becoming more polluted. Maybe even twice that.\n\nThey are also using what looks like two massive fuel guzzling ships for one net. \n\nWe need a ban on plastics and make corporations responsible for the junk they produce.\nEither by paying for the cleanup or by fines.\n\nWe also need to stop this in the rivers, before it reached the ocean.", "No", "The U.S. government doesn't help people. The only policy that gets passed is policy that is designed to help corporations and extremely rich people.", "It's a net that let's any liquid through it", "Absolutely, and it's great he's using his influence for charity. But we're already in a thread about the ocean cleanup. This one spot seems odd for a plug, we're already here, then we go to mr. beast, then back to the ocean cleanup?", "Why don't we attack the true source of the mess, not the rivers but the producers of plastic? Go back to paper and glass products", "Just like the day I heard his daddy wouldn't give affection.", "...what?", "Open the link in the comment you replied to and read about that program. They have a machine which is similar to a net at the mouth of the river but which also automatically lifts the trash into dumpsters.", "Typical redditor response. \"Thats nice, but what about X Y Z?\" Noone gives a shit, this is a post to acknowledge the forthcomings of the project, not rant about how they aren't successfully cleaning up rivers or whatever.", "You're the one saying we are able to clean this up, so yes you are wrong. And you just admitted it could be broken down, and that it is not a particle solution so you are just too dumb to realize you are agreeing with me?", "I wish the sunglasses were a little cheaper, I'd get a pair or two. They could probably sell more as well.", "Only on reddit do you see a thread full of idiots responding to a video they haven't even watched. Typical.", "Yeah, it’s kind of hard to get anything done when politicians can accept bribes as \"campaign donations\"", "Eh, sure.\n\nBut still, the \"team seas\" thing specifically is a Mr beast thing.", "This is great but the great garbage patch is mostly composed of broken down microscopic plastic. Its area is so vast and the plastic so small if you had to swim in it you wouldn't even notice. The title is just clickbait unfortunately.\n\nSource (lol): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch", "We can clean this up or at least mitigate the damage done.\n\nI seriously dont get where you're having this disconnect. Keeping them contained in landfills or recycling them is infinitely better than just leaving it in the ocean lol.", "Oh, you're right. Better just leave the plastic in the ocean then. Fuck it.", "The problem here is most plastic cannot be broken down into pellet and made usable again. I think like only 2% or some small number of plastic can be recycled. It was a scam set up by the plastic industry to trick people into thinking you could recycle them.", "The UN passes regulation to fight plastic waste. Here is nothing of substance \n\nhttps://www.wartsila.com/encyclopedia/term/marpol-73-78-annex-i-regulations-for-the-prevention-of-pollution-by-oil", "Why do we need a fundraiser for this?? Unbelievable, there are people making the amount of money to pay for the entire operation in a month or less.", "No. This is just more hopium bullshit that ultimately will change nothing except making people feel good about themselves.", "Same. Disappointed it's just a single run thing too, from their first run in 2019", "To the person in charge of putting QR codes on the glasses to show where their particular garbage came from (which doesn't mean anything when you're talking about stuff that floats in the ocean anyway): we're good if you just help out with collecting the trash, thanks", "I'm just doing my part to help stimulate the economy.", "According to a 2020 study linked below, 14 million tonnes of plastic sit on the ocean floor, vs the 80,000 tonnes that The Ocean Cleanup claims is in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch (175 times more).\n\nI think The Ocean Cleanup is a great initiative, and I am curious to know what options we have to clean up the plastic that has already sunken.\n\nStudy: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.576170/full#B54", "I don't see Maersk giving a shit about cheap plastic, they transport whatever. But the \"ghost nets\" and such often wrap around ship propellers so its not for show, it would actually benefit Maersk to clean the ocean.", "But does cleaning the ocean benefit them? No. They only donate to things like prostate cancer research.", "I guess we should just leave the big plastic alone then ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "Where does it go from here?", "Or both? Why not do both! Hey, you could do the other thing, let these guys carry on doing their thing! Off you go!", "#teamseas let’s gooooooo", "I hear the boy is something that Mommy wouldn't wear either.", "Well they're really separate problems. Solid plastic pollution causes different issues than carbon release so it's hard to directly compare.", "To be fair, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are counter examples to this. \n\nYou’re generally correct, but credit where it’s due.", "Yeah everyone go home. If we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything.", "This video has made me skeptical of the #teamseas thing from a feasibility (not intention) perspective. Rober thinks that you can remove 14,000 tonnes of trash from the ocean with only 30 mil? Doesn't seem possible, at least with this method. \n\nLooking at all these ships and people, operating in the middle of the ocean, and all the logistics to support it. 30 mil seems just seems low to me, especially when you consider that the garbage patch is 80,000 tonnes and that big haul they were showing is only 9 tonnes. Even if it performs perfectly on every haul that would be about nine thousand hauls, and its likely to be way more than that.", "Yes it is.\n\n\nGoddamn it. Apathetic and uneducated Morons like you are the biggest problem.", "Because in less than a week they've already raised almost $13 million. I doubt ocean conservancy charities raise that much regularly. When is the last time you actually thought about an ocean conservancy charity?\n\nIt's good to have influencers use their platform for good. They did this with Team Trees too and raised over $23 million and are still raising money two years later.\n\nIt's good to get the word out using people who have a huge influence on younger kids. I've seen a lot of comments on the teamseas donation page that say \"my kid saw this on a Mr beast [or other influencers] video and wanted me to donate\"\n\nIt's the same reason why big companies do charity programs over the holidays. (Before anyone comments, it is a myth that these companies do it for tax write offs. That's called tax fraud.) It gets the word out there and generates so many more donations than the charity can do on its own.", "I was in Spain last week and the beach was full with tiny plastic pieces. Are there any systems planned for beaches?", "https://teamseas.org/", "> Despite the common public perception of the patch existing as giant islands of floating garbage, its low density (4 particles per cubic meter) prevents detection by satellite imagery, or even by casual boaters or divers in the area. This is because the patch is a widely dispersed area consisting primarily of suspended \"fingernail-sized or smaller bits of plastic\", often microscopic, particles in the upper water column known as microplastics.\n\nI'm just pointing out why this isn't even remotely a real solution to the problem but gives the impression that it is, no need to be edgy.", "Pretty sure the only punctuation Hawaii uses is apostrophes.", "Yes but the war profiteers are in bed with the politicians, not the environmentalists. That's the difference.", "The plastic they are taking out breaks down and become micro-plastic. That is literally where it is coming from. So yes they are helping.\n\nTheir next move is systems to stop plastic from coming in from rivers. So hey, good thing they are out there.\n\nCleaning shit up is just as much about stopping the problem. Or we could just be whiners and do nothing.\n\nIf you want to be negative just sit down and don't participate. This isn't clickbait, they are cleaning the ocean.", "I know. Oh well, I guess he'll always have detractors. It's always good to start SOMEWHERE and this guy is crushing any contribution I could imaginably make to the same issue. Good for him and the whole team!", "This is about justifying buying more products to fuel are insatiable need to consume plastic products.", "Unfortunately more than 10 billion lbs of trash are added yearly so… not even 1% of the yearly addition LOL.", "This disconnect is that spending the resources to remove a tiny amount of it when entire countries are dumbing all their trash into it every day is completely pointless and we need to stop the bleeding. \" \"Clean up\" stuff like this just helps the plastic industry keep going and stop dumbasses like yourself from understand the real issue. If we made these companies responsible for their products cradle to grave shit would change very quickly.", ">\tThe ocean cleanup begins cleaning the great pacific garbage patch\n\nThis is clickbait how?\n\nEdit: if you’re gonna downvote, at least explain yourself. The headline is about as innocuous as it gets. “Begins cleanup” claims nothing but “we’re starting to make some progress”.", "It's because there are lots and lots of worthy causes & the people who make that kind of money might prioritize other causes. What's more important, cleaning the plastic out of the ocean or researching better childhood cancer treatments? Or planting trees at a massive scale? Or researching cheaper & more efficient clean energy sources? Or fighting global poverty?\n\nI don't want to suggest that any one of those is singularly more important, but there are lots of good things in the world that people can put their money towards. Sure, there are people who donate little or nothing, and there are people who donate a million dollars or more to something like this, but as sexy as those big numbers are, the real bulk of donations come from regular people giving what they can afford to give, whether that's in the hundreds or less.", "Small correction : 80% of all plastic that comes from rivers, comes from 1% of all rivers.", "I was in rural Morocco and my community had zero proper garbage facilities. Plastic bags and food packages just blew across the fields and rural areas. \n\nMy town went from very rural High Atlas Mountains where trash and shit decomposed after a few months to suddenly having things like small cookie packages and bounty bars and Pringles cans.\n\nA lot of stuff was burned in the burn pits built into the side walks, but that was never enough to fix the one and done use garbage problem.", "I don’t have an answer to the offset, but I will say I know it is currently being explored and testing turning the plastic in a “blue diesel” fuel so the ships can power themselves with the plastic they are cleaning. \n\nAlbeit it is early and I’m not familiar with a lot of the details/scope, but it’s a start.", "Where we dropping it? Sorta ceded the South China Sea so I feel that's as good a place as any /s", "Serious question. Could SpaceX Superheavy be used to launch all this garbage (stuff that isn't recyclable) into space? Similar to how a Tesla was launched.", "Founded by a Dutch kid called Boyat Slat who was 19 at the time he invented this (he’s 27 now).", "Because god forbid we marginally cut the military budget. That'd be \"anti-american\".", "The only issue is some plankton and fish species has actually adapted to these conditions, so animals that have adapted will be disrupted, while many native animals have long since been pushed out. It's a bit murky from a marine biology standpoint, but they degrade into microplastics and this has been one area we can actually use to decrease them", "The GPGP is mostly micro-plastics, and not large plastics as seen in their \"near-shore\" captures. Does this newer version account for that?\n\nIn order to reclaim the plastics, you'd need to collect the water, and boil it, and what remains are plastics and other materials.", "I have watched a video regarding this one; I think it's on the Infographics Show. The initiative is really amazing.", "I assume there's a particle size they can't reclaim, aka the size the fish eat thinking it's food.", "What a challenge. In underdeveloped areas poor people normally use goods pass their lifecycle and then dispose them however possible- since waste infrastructure is almost non existent. \n\nIn developed areas people have the luxury of replacing perfectly good items and creating more waste. The U.S offshores much of this plastic waste to poorer countries.", "Wrong. Plastic is a byproduct of the oil industry. Every gallon of crude those tankers burn creates more plastic that will go into the environment.", "There are a few projects that work on this. A lot of third world countries end up throwing away their trash because they don't have adequate municipal services to get rid of trash.", "Point 2 is being addressed already, they are targetting the rivers which are responsible for around 80% of all the plastic in the oceans and helping develop the communities near these rivers to help reduce the flow into the rivers.", "They keep getting significantly richer while they fund their PR projects so we forget how disgusting their wealth is.\n\nMackenzie Bezos might actually be giving away her money faster than she's making it, but I can't think of any other billionaires in that same boat.\n\nEdit: nope, even after giving away billions her net worth increased. Cool.", "Like the birthday parties at chuck e cheese and other kids places. They give out a gift bag and it's all just plastic garbage nobody uses and goes straight into the trash. They're literally giving you garbage to throw away at home.", "they had me at cleaning up garbage, but lost me at buying overpriced plastic sunglasses", ">It's high time to Refuse, Reduce, Reuse, Repurpose, and then Recycle (as much locally, after sorting).\n\nsure but when you had countries literally willing to buy the garbage why would you not sell it to them if the intent was for a majority to be recycled.", "It's also in the OP video.", "Like scale up by orders of magnitude.", "Are their end-products just sunglasses?\n\nI am really curious where all this waste is going to end up, most likely won't be recyclable, are they scooping this out of the ocean to dump it in a landfill?", "Unless the garbage collection vessels are run by the military. Just repurpose some naval ships that aren’t engaged in combat (which is all of them)", "I don't think IFO combusts into plastic, but I could be wrong", "Nice thing about those sunglasses is that, when you're done with them, you can just toss them in the ocean.", "Where does the waste go to?", "who's funding this? did they cover where the budget would come in? operating one ship 50weeks/year is pricy enough. while cleaning few tones per day is a bit short of the kilotons range we currently supplying.", "Find a way to efficiently kill someone with recycled water bottles and and the ocean will be crystal clear in a week", "> This is great but\n\nSee the thing is, where do the microplastics come from? Erosion of the macroplastics. The big chunks that we can catch/remove some of right now, doing this.\n\nIf the Ocean Cleanup project is starting to make real headway then yes, it _is_ great, as this can really help reduce the pace of rising ocean microplastic levels.\n\nThat said I agree that microplastics are much trickier problem to wrangle here. Maybe at some point this project will find ways to get the smaller stuff but I suspect that might take a very different approach and is arguably much more difficult.", "but isn't the patch supposed to be as big as Texas .... they just cleaned up my back yard in the picture ...... this is bullshit", "Oh yeah, what are you doing to help combat that then because I imagine fuck all. This is also just the beginning and also a good influence for people since a lot of big YouTubers are associated with it.", "So his video stating he needs to make 3000 more trips to effectively clean the area was bullshit? \n\nI don't care how big the plastic bits are. It's not a win/lose proposition. It's a huge step. Is there some better alternative than just throwing your hands up and saying, \"why bother when we can't get ALL the trash?\"", "Thing is that all those fingernail and smaller sized pieces came from big pieces like those bottles and laundry baskets floating around out there for years. Succeed in cleaning all that up, and at least you stop things from getting worse.", ">War is only profitable for the military contractors who sell equipment to the military.\n\nThe tech the general public receive downstream from the military is immense and has played a large part in our daily life.\n\n> If the military decided to buy a fleet of plastic collection ships, it would be just as profitable to the contractors, plus it would be doing a real service\n\nWhat a level of entitlement one must come from to not realize the \"real service\" militaries especially the US has done in instilling a level of freedom and stability never seen in human history. We live in the most peaceful and prosperous time ever.", "The point is government is the only one who can do anything. Vote. Get others to vote.", "Because this influencer has a bigger reach than most A list celebrities when it comes to younger generations? The whole campaign is fantastic, Reddits blind hate of YouTubers is becoming fucking pathetic.", "You're right. War is only profitable to those that profit from war! Those same people can't profit from cleaning.", "There's a quote from one of the scientists in the article that says basically the same thing.\n\n>“They spent I don’t know how many tens of millions of dollars to invent fishing,” said Miriam Goldstein, the director of ocean policy at the Center for American Progress, who holds a Ph.D. in biological oceanography. The System 002, Goldstein said, is “a net dragged between two boats. We have a name for a net dragged between two boats, and that’s trawl fishing. Like, yeah, you’re going to collect stuff if you drag a net behind a boat. I’m sure they’re collecting trash.”\n\nThere are other valid concerns about this project in the article, which you clearly did not read.", "It is a solution and should be one of many. You can shit on this for not addressing the issue of microplastics all you want, but if you don’t have a solution for that, then what exactly are you contributing? Or are you just suggesting we should leave all the big plastic there so it can break down into microplastics and become part of the problem you’re alluding to?\n\nWhere do you think microplastics come from?", "I'm pretty sure that this is just the Beginning not that they're ending the garbage patch with 30 million. They ain't doing this overnight nor in just a year and they want to scale up operations.", "It is possible to both do good things and continue to amass wealth. At some point, Buffet had given away ~70% of his wealth. Of course the remaining 30% has continued to grow. \n\nSure, let’s be realistic about it, but there’s no reason to demonize the ones who actually have made a meaningful impact. \n\nContrast them to those who do nothing, or continue to do things that are a net negative to society.", "I applaud this effort…but where will all this trash end up?", "The obvious solution is to put stronger laws in place to actually prevent the dumping in the first place. Letting them pollute then having to go out and retrieve it is a massive waste of resources. \n\nThe problem is that we allow the exporting of trash to other countries for 'recycling'. I.e we (Europe/ USA/ Canada etc) send out trash to these places and they summarily dump it in the ocean. Then we all act shocked about it. \n\nNo, make that shit so illegal that CEOs face jailtime for it. Then we can actually have a shot of cleaning this mess.", "Who, who, who, who, who", "Not sure what you mean exactly, your message is rather cryptic. But the comment was probably referring to this: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/", "The semen is the trash. It does its job like a condom does its job.", "Uhhh no....giant corporations polluting and fucking up our environment are the biggest problem. Come back to reality.", "1) This guy is unrelated and not connected to The Ocean Cleanup crew and project. \n\n2) His website has been taken over and it's about painting houses now (lol)", "They're way ahead of you. From your own link:\n\n> In March 2018, The Ocean Cleanup published a paper summarizing their findings from the Mega- (2015) and Aerial Expedition (2016). In 2015, the organization crossed the Great Pacific garbage patch with 30 vessels, to make observations and take samples with 652 survey nets. They collected a total of 1.2 million pieces, which they counted and categorized into their respective size classes. In order to also account for the larger, but more rare debris, they also overflew the patch in 2016 with a C-130 Hercules aircraft, equipped with LiDAR sensors. The findings from the two expeditions, found that the patch covers 1.6 million square kilometers with a concentration of 10–100 kilograms per square kilometer. They estimate an 80,000 metric tons in the patch, with 1.8 trillion plastic pieces, out of which 92% of the mass is to be found in objects larger than 0.5 centimeters.[51][52][5]", "I feel like all that microplastic probably becomes \"micro\" as larger chunks spend time at sea. So all that large waste they're removing should have some effect on the levels of microplastics in the future. I agree that it's not a complete solution to all plastic in the ocean, but it is definitely more than \"remotely real\" in the sense that it has a positive (likely measureable) impact.", "This is completely naïve and the typical anti-everything US narrative you expect from the reddit hive. The US military is by far the largest source of humanitarian aide in the world. THe US over the past several decades to ensure safety and stability around the world. Is it just a coincidence during the reign of US military superiority and global presence we have experienced unrivaled global peace and prosperity", "Hilarious that they’re just returning the plastic to the supply stream.", "High times!!! I want those sunglasses I think ima get dem right Meow", "Celebrity endorsements have been a thing forever. Let's not pretend it's just kids and teens.", "Redditors are mostly people who say negative things so they can feel smart on the internet. They will always look for why it’s a bad idea if there’s even a remotely drawback with a plan. \n\nLook at one your replies, saying it’s mostly micro plastic! Okay I guess we shouldn’t do anything then!", "Watch the video...", "I hate Jeremy’s.", "Great, and now that we have all that crap on land, now what do we do with it? Just bury it? Honestly, plastic just needs to stop being manufactured at some point. We cant reuse most of it, can't incinerate it without polluting the air, can't bury it without polluting the land, and can't drop in the ocean without polluting the oceans. Maybe a rocket to the sun is the only way.", "What we're letting corporations get away with is astounding. Bill companies for rent when their trash pollutes the ocean. If they can't pay they shouldn't be making things meant to throw out in the first place.", "They are in the market for clean and sorted recyclables that are not economical to process at origin. Instead they are getting unsorted trash/garbage, not always but enough. Enough of said contaminated recyclables for 1st world country to blame these people for littering and soiling their environment.", "this is really commendable", "> Place a modified design closer to plastic sources—river mouths and bays—to catch plastic before it enters the open ocean. Choose a place where it can be monitored and corrected for environmental impact\n\nBut they're already doing that too, as they said in the [video](https://youtu.be/tLcnJEMnlTs?t=379).", "it's not this?\n\nhttps://theoceancleanup.com/donate/", "Okay, at first I was skeptical, but when I saw they were also targeting river clean up, I was sold. Like they said in the video, most of this junk is just endlessly flowing out of rivers. Targeting it at the source, where it's highly concentrated, is really the best strategy.\n\nIf they can do that while also cleaning up the remaining debris already out there, that will make a difference.\n\nWe have an anthropomorphized trash wheel up in [Baltimore Harbor](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H84d8eyhfyY/maxresdefault.jpg) so you can see how effective it is.", "I don’t know any actual figures but I remember reading around 90% of ocean plastic enters through rivers. In a way this is hopeful because it means it can be targetted", "\"This is useless because it's not eliminating it in 24 hours, and also the ships burn gasoline\" Reddit is usually dumb as fuck as a collective", "Dear billionaires can you just give this guy some money so he can accelerate cleaning the ocean?", "Yes it is, as their device only scops up big pieces of plastics.", "But there is no reason to believe we are, at least the article is certainly not providing anything convincingly in this direction.\n\nIt is painting on a map, one of several neuston ecosystems literally across the whole pacific, with two garbage patches at the end of it, and says, you know, they are in the same place.\n\nThat is like drawing an oval from Lisbon to Moscow and saying the garbage trucks in these two cities are in the same place and threaten the wolf population that lives in between.\n\nI am sure for those neuston organisms that are actually between those ships it will be dangerous, and of course the author has a point with that, and there certainly could be more behind it, but nothing she provides in the article convincingly calls into question the wider project.\n\nTo add more, it does also not say one word about if neuston ecosystems thrive in those areas most polluted by plastic and how much of an impact this has.", "If he was already on the beach a nice catapult would have been plenty effective. Don't get me wrong. A trebuchet is fine and all.. I'm just not sure they've got the... constitution for sand. I'm not sure they've got \"what it takes\", as they say...", "\"Hello. My name is Tom Selleck. And I am here today to tell you about reverse mortgages.\"", "you have a very big yard then....\nIf you had watched the video you would have seen that they are planning to go again and employ more and newer systems.", "I'm ignorant, how many of these is it going to take to just keep up with our yearly release of plastic into the oceans?", "Not trying to be rude: This kind of whataboutism isn’t helpful. \n\nThe world has tons of problems. \n\nWe should celebrate people solving the problems. Most people aren’t solving anything. \n\nIs ocean trash a problem? Yes. \nIs removing it good? Yes. \n\nAwesome. \n\nOnce we have an ongoing and viable way to clean things, a new thing to work on is “can we reduce the impact of the ships that are doing the cleaning?” \n\nThat can also be improved/solved. \n\nProgress is progress. \n\nThis false narrative on Reddit that people can’t solve problems because other problems exist, or because the solutions aren’t yet perfect, isn’t a helpful narrative. \n\nIt causes people paying little attention to come away from this effort as “conflicted” and not pure progress, which it is. \n\nOther examples of this: “we shouldn’t try to get to Mars because people are starving on earth.” “We cant work on recycling, we should be using less stuff in the first place”. “Self driving cars will cause more traffic”", "Are you actually going to back up your claim that this isn't remotely a real solution to the problem? Or are you just going to say it and not back up your claim?", "The people we're talking about, though, the people that could REALLY affect change with their money, could donate a sizeable amount to each of those causes and it still be less wealth percentage then you or I donating 100$ to one of them. That's the point that's trying to be made.", "yes, that won't be solved easily soon I suspect. But if you can prevent from more microplastics being formed and eaten, that's a win.", "Isn't it funny that's all it takes? That all it ever took lmao. Just clean it up.", "He says in the video that most of the trash comes from rivers which themselves are fed by creeks and runoff from streets when they flood. Basically people aren't purposefully throwing shit in the water, it just gets washed away and gradually ends up in the ocean.", "Yeah, I remember that very well. Fuck that kid for trying to make the world a better place right?", "I lived by a creek that was little more than a trickle in Austin TX and after 8 or so years of drought we got nailed with some serious rainfall and all kinds of random junk was flying down the now raging torrent more than 6 feet deep.\n\nSame thing happens in all kinds of other countries when flash floods hit.", "Damn the rivers, damn them all to hell!", "Charge a waste disposal deposit per lb of product & packaging. Return the deposit for every pound of waste people bring in.", "Do they have people remove animals from the plastic?", "it's very expensive to launch stuff into space. so no.", "Cleaning up the garbage patch. \n\nPreventing the rivers from adding more pollution. \n\nTwo different efforts with two independent solutions. \n\nLike fixing your bullet wound and not getting shot in the future.", "That is, yeah. TeamSeas is a brand new operation from MrBeast, Mark Rober, and other online personalities. It is partnered with The Ocean Cleanup for Rivers, and Ocean Conservancy for Oceans and Beaches.\n\n>Every single dollar #TeamSeas raises toward the $30M will go to independently verified pounds of trash that have been removed from beaches, rivers or the ocean. When you donate, the funds go directly to the two not-for-profit organizations, Ocean Conservancy and The Ocean Cleanup. They split the funds 50/50 and the money will be released when the trash is removed and verified: $1, one pound. Each non-profit is responsible for delivering on their half of the goal.", "By mass, more of than 2/3 of macroplastics in the ocean (defined as > 200 mm) are estimated to be fishing equipment. [It's absolutely insane.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262196/)", "This is the dumbest line of thinking. \n\nUnbelievable it’s so common.", "Lmao right. Also it’s great he’s spreading awareness to his fan base but do kids really have money to donate?", "I think that plastics were designed to break down into those little 'cell' pieces.", "Yep. I donated because I watched Mark Rober's video. Not all influencers are evil, not everyone that's a content creator is evil, some of them are just good people. And I get that Mr beast can be cringe but he's a good dude who does good shit. There's literally nothing wrong with their support in fact a lot of people will hear of this project solely because of them. Just go look at the team seas donations. Some in the millions. That happened because they put the spotlight on it using their platform and that's a good thing.", "If a fundraising effort like teamseas succeeds, it not only increases the credibility of the organizations doing the work, but it proves that people are interested in such efforts succeeding. Voting does not enable one to select all the efforts they believe in, because their are limited options, and its unlikely something like cleaning the ocean is even a platform issue. Saying \"vote, nothing else matters\" is the equivalent of saying \"if you voted with certain issues in mind, then when that doesn't solve the problem give up\".\n\nThings bootstrap. Half of the teamseas funding is going into the construction of The Ocean Cleanup's Interceptor robots, which collect trash from rivers. When installed, the ongoing operation of the interceptors is funded by the local government (for various definitions of local) and operated by local organizations. These will continue picking up trash for years and years beyond the teamseas fundraiser, paid for by the governments in the countries where the trash is coming from. Interceptors are also a gateway to further change in the communities generating the trash (which often happens because there is no garbage disposal system, often very poor neighbourhoods). Teamseas funding will literally create an engine for change where continuous operation is funded by governments and the sources of river born trash are addressed by the local communities and governments. On top of that increased efforts to clean rivers will help prove the technology and the positive social impacts it can have, which will encourage more governments to engage in river cleaning projects and in serving poor communities with proper disposal services.\n\nSo no, the government is not the only one who can do anything. Private citizens taking the first steps can and hopefully will create enough momentum so that governments will be all but forced to carry the much larger burden of full ocean cleanup, and the many efforts needed to not only stop the sources of ocean born trash, but help raise up the communities who have no other options. Votes are quiet, words are quiet. Money and especially actions are loud.", "> Redditors are mostly people who say negative things so they can feel smart on the internet.\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/iB5xwIJ.gif", "“The ocean will clean itself”\n\nOf non biodegradable plastic. \n\n\nWe are surrounded by GENIUSES, guys.", "Pure unadulterated copium. Won't even make a tiny dent.", "yeah, stupid rich billionaires who also happen to live on the islands of Hawai'i", "Wishbone", "Plus, i'm absolutely betting that the knowledge gained from this cleanup operation is going to help with the micro plastic issue if/when that gets tackled.", "Dirty people?\n\nEDIT: Also - I don't even have a laundry basket. When I get home and need to take off dirty clothes, I simply throw them into the washing machine. When it hits sufficient capacity to warrant a wash - I hit play. (Yes, my washing machine has a POWER PLAY and PAUSE button symbol you would have on any device... the fucking thing even has Wifi! (although I have yet to set it up.... its been a year, I should stop reading reddit and go connect my washing machine to the internet, that will go without issues)", "They need to find more useful things to make with the reclaimed litter than $200 ugly sunglasses. The whole point is supposed to be that waiting for people to suddenly start saving the world out of the goodness of their hearts is a failed strategy, and to incentivize it so people support projects like this en masse and not solely because they care about the cause.", "Yeah, but this guy can predict what will happen in two years! I'm sure he saw the pandemic coming in 2018.", "FUCK YOU!\n\nJeremy would never be using a trebuchet! He's clearly a catapult user. The pleb!", "donators, subsidies, etc", "This is where you start losing me. Where is that tech proven and deployed? Surprised they did say the ships will be powered by TESLA within 5 years!\n\nCan't we just say yeah, we're wasting some fuel but the unsightly nature of the garbage patch is worth the expenditure.", "Yeah, they cleaned up something like 1 millionth of what is dumped every year. That definitely looks like a bullshit project with good publicity and fundraising. It's focusing attention on the issue so that's good.", "All I could think when I saw this. This is a net negative on the environment even though they are trying to help it. Reminds me of things like spray foam insulation that people get to help insulate their house to save energy usage but really the spray foam releases tons of greenhouse gasses as it cures that is worse than the extra energy burned by heating/AC from not having as good of insulation.", "they show it in the video...", "Hey Jeff Bezos and Elon musk! Look at what can be done to help the world, you selfish pricks.", "NO NO NO\n\n\"*Doing\" Laundry is not the same as FOLDING* said laundry... just as *PUTTING AWAY* said said laundry is still a week out. All our men are currently at other jobs\"", "This is awesome to see!", "Yeah he said the patch would be gone with 3,000 hauls, unless I misheard him. That seems recklessly optimistic", "No kidding. It's an overly ambitious goal that will require a lot...a lot of support from political leaders, charities and labor. It's great that he's doing this and it is a huge help to the environment and sea life and I'll give him credit for that.", "If it's just a matter of money, that can be solved. Donations are funding this project and thus can be distributed to not just the removal from the ocean, but also from the planet. Also, if Musk played his cards right, he could probably get funding from many organizations, not just this one. Easier said than done, I know. Outside of financial constraints, are there any laws or governance prohibiting it?", "Jeff bezos net worth increases by more than 30 million in a single day...", "In the past it's also been profitable for the jobs it created and the advances in technology it's made. I'm not saying it should be a damn business model though", "I am so surprised that laundry equipment such as a WASHER and a DRYER are incapable of removing the mildew smells from my load of forgotten washes?", "Every person responsible should be in prison imo", "They don't care what you ship, but they have an interest in companies continuing to ship as much as possible. If the cost of goods goes up because manufacturers now need to be responsible for the entire lifetime of all the plastic used in the things they make, then the amount of stuff being shipped will go down.\n\nIf the sale of disposable single-use products goes down, then the amount of stuff being shipped will go down.\n\nIt's better for Maersk to say, \"Keep on making everything out of plastic and disposable and shipping it around the world. The way to solve this is to pick it up after it's already in the environment.\"", "You think there are a lot of fish in a giant trash pile in the middle of the ocean?", "Yep it's crazy. People shit on these projects with whataboutism and then go and do literally nothing to help besides maybe bringing a reusable bag to the store, where they buy fish anyway.", "It's on AliExpress because we as consumers buy that shit. Dollar/Eurosaver stores that sell cheap plastic tat that breaks after (and sometimes before) one use exist because we want to buy that tat.", "This is great. I hope they don't take it back to China, Thailand, Cambodia, etc cuz they might just throw it all back in their rivers again.", "Made in china, brought to you by everyone.", "I got a pair of the sunglasses... really comfortable and polarized. Cool deal how this is helping.", "Weird you didn't mention banning commercial fishing, since a huge portion of plastic in the ocean comes from that.", "Much of it will be recyclable, some won't. All the plastic is sorted on the boats so it is ready to be recycled when they come to shore. Still, in a landfill is significantly better than in the ocean. Plastics break down into micro-plastics after prolonged ocean exposure which then enters the foodchain, affecting fish and other ocean creature populations, and in many cases, some of that ends up in the food people eat. Micro-plastics don't break down for 100's or 1000's of years.\n\nAt least with a landfill it is localized, not polluting the entire ocean.\n\nAs for the sunglasses, that is their only product right now, almost all of the collected plastic will be processed in normal recycling and waste disposal facilities and not directed towards Ocean Cleanup products. Currently that is done in Victoria, Canada.", "Less damage in emissions than removing the plastic that's turning into micro plastics....\n\n\n\n. ..also it's but supposed to just sit there collecting plastic for eternity. They're also working to stop it at the source.\n\n\n\nYou're the dumb fucks who say climate change isn't real and then switch to \"who cares it's to late\".\n\n\nFuck off.\n\n\nAlso an alt account to argue with??? Sad.", "Blind hate? I appreciate mr beast doing charity work, but we're currently in a thread about the ocean cleanup. Why would we need to leave here, go to mr. beast, then come back to the ocean cleanup to donate? \n\nIt just doesn't make sense in this context, why involve an influencer after we're already talking about the charity?", "> Laundry baskets are cheap.\n\nWhen I need a cheap cleaning of my soiled loins... I call your mom Trebek!\n\n-- Sean Connery", "The children who fear blue skies because of the drone strikes that killed their parents thank the US military for the \"safety\" and \"stability\" they were brought :)", "It is fantastic but it would also be nice to get some fucking laws in place to stop people from continuing to dump shit in the ocean across the world 😬", "Yeah, and the whole point of this effort is to try and slow the increase in those microplastics by taking stuff out before it has time to break down...\n\nThat is also why they have the river Interceptor project, to stop trash before it gets to the Ocean.", "Recycling, but as we know, most plastic waste doesn't get recycled.", "90% of plastic that _comes from rivers_ comes from 1% of rivers. This stat gets butchered everytime it's used.\n\nAlso a huge portion of plastic (and Co2 emissions) in the ocean comes from commercial fishing, but no one gives a fuck about that.", "Could it? Sure. \n\nWould we need tens or hundreds of thousands of rockets? Yes. \n\nWould it cost trillions? Yes. \n\nIs it cost effective? No\n\nAre there better things we could do with rockets ? Almost certainly.", "I feel like you're intentionally missing my point. This thread is about the ocean cleanup project right? We're already talking about the charity. You'd like me to leave here, go to mr. beast's project to then go back to the ocean cleanup?\n\nIf there was a non-ocean cleanup project thread it makes perfect sense to try and raise awareness there.", "We're just too many levels down the smug self validation hole. All these comments about how people being skeptical are 'le smart smug redditors', but that just makes the people complaining about the skepticism into the smart smug redditor, which in turn makes me the smart smug redditor for complaining about them. \n\nIt's truly and endless cycle.", "[https://theoceancleanup.com/donate/](https://theoceancleanup.com/donate/)", "I just donated to this cause. This is AWESOME and INSPIRING!\n\nPlease donate if you can:\n\n[https://theoceancleanup.com/donate/](https://theoceancleanup.com/donate/)", "Not all plastic in the ocean is in the patch.", "If the condom were a net", "Big Plastic loves when you leave big plastic alone.", "I full support this because the garbage patch is horrifying, but I’m honestly curious what happens to all the trash once they pull it from the water?", "How's your neck after sleeping on that concrete pillow? \n \nEdit: ok i get it it's all supposed to be from jeremy", "I think a huge positive is this makes the issue seem like it can be tackled. The news about the oceans & pollution is only ever bad news & I genuinely can't think of another thing like this that's actually been making progress. It takes away a lot of the \"this pollution problem is unfixable\" stigma", ":(", ">\tThis will do a lot, awesomely. Another big threat someone else should try to tackle is microplastics. They’re in everything we eat. Who knows what they’ll do to biology everywhere once they build up to toxic levels, or have had enough time to do something if they already have.\n\nFixed that for you.", "Stuff that gets thrown away, ultimately ending up in the ocean.", "If I were to invent something, I'd come to reddit and get shit on by everyone, I'd document every reaction. I'd post updates to the project here, document those shitty replies...and at the end post a montage of all of the naysayers who were likely upvoted to the moon while I was raking in the success. We all know how great reddit is so we don't acknowledge that, but just as importantly people need to realize how childish reddit is, after all that is our demographic (something like 17-25 is the average age).", "Ya see my issue with that article is if it’s so similar to industrial fishing, how much more harmful is it really? It just like another company starting fishing the oceans, but they happen to only be fishing for trash. If the industrial fishing industry disappears overnight, then sure, these boats would stick out like a sore thumb. But they are just a couple more boats out there fucking up the oceans surface, while also probably doing a lot of good.", "are you trying to suggest these regions in which these children live would somehow be safe and stable if not for the US? Is it likely the region the childeren live in currently are subject to authoritarian regimes that are leading to their compromised prosperity? \n\nOR is it \"US BAD!\"", "What is done to the trash afterwords?", "When a dog shits on a rug, do you take the rug in for a proper steam cleaning before you call it clean?\n\nDo you get every.last.spec. of insect guts off your car before you call it clean? \n\nBig pieces of plastic take up infinitely more mass. Getting rid of them will, effectively, reduce the mass of garbage to the point where current technology is limited. By doing these things, they'll continue to have funds to advance their technology and have a leg-up on getting to the tiny bits, eventually. \n\nFuckin' debbie downers.", "Being pedantic doesn't make you right.", "For sure. Any cleanup effort is good news. I just wish we had a solution for the small shit.", "Wow. Didn't realize it would take that many launches. Yes, there are good things that can be achieved with rockets, but cleaning up the planet definitely ranks up there imo if it's possible. Better than burying it.", "So you didn't watch the video then? \n\nOr you just missed the part about their efforts to go carbon neutral with the current format while still trying to make a fully autonomous model a reality? \n\nOr how they have vessels deployed in rivers and acknowledge the need to stop this at the source?", "Just wanted to say this video definitely inspired me to buy the sunglasses. Such a cool concept.", "Fair point. I thought your comment was about influencers being involved in general.", "just what i want my tax dollars for, profit for others", "You made it misleading. Most plastic in the ocean is microplastics.", "It’s not for long livedness. It’s for sparking conversation and spreading awareness. \n\n“hey man cool sunglasses”\n\n“Hey thanks. They’re made from ocean plastic!”\n\n“What?”\n\n“Yeah, check out this cool organization cleaning the ocean…”", "So what major human problems are you solving?", "we should start fining plastics companies for their products the cleanup hauls find", "If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense \n\n - DJ Quik", "This combined with Honeywell announcing they’ve developed a process to turn plastic back into oil should mark the end of plastic being seen as useless after its original purpose has been filled.", "Fundraisers also tend to couple up as an awareness campaign too. When people donate they often share that they did and incentives are born when people see others in their personal lives show signs of passion to that cause. \n\nNo doubt a lot of the world's billionaires would make an astronomical difference in terms of funding and honestly it's insane to me personally that they don't, but these projects need manpower more than money and fundraisers are an excellent way to get both", "Like scale up humongously.", "Probably a tsunami victim? The dead shall live forever.", "A quick google search shows that roughly [10 million metric tons](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/plastic-trash-in-seas-will-nearly-triple-by-2040-if-nothing-done) of garbage is dumped in the ocean every year.\n\nThat means the 9,000 KG they cleaned up is roughly 0.03% of the trash dumped into the ocean every single *day.\n\nThis is a distraction.\n--\n\n\nThis is designed to make the public feel like this is a way we can actually solve the problem so we don't address the real problem: huge companies/countries continuously dumping shitloads of garbage into the ocean.", "What about when the sunglasses they make end up being polluted?", "God I fucking hate influencers... Even if it's for a good cause!", "Did you not watch the full video? River clean up and the whole project being carbon neutral are discussed.", "And how much have you donated?", "“Not getting shot in the first place would make more sense than stopping the bleeding from your current gunshot wound!”\n\nYou’d make an AWESOME doctor.", "But that means they would have to actually WATCH the video and not just react to a headline.", "The thing is, these are tough problems and an easy solution isn't going to do much. Pretending that we're doing something and patting ourselves on the backs should be criticized. Why don't we just ban plastics altogether? That would solve the problem close to 100% right? Well that's a lot more difficult. It requires decades worth of planning and companies benefitting off of cheap plastic would take huge hits. But that's what we need to do to solve this problem. We need some radical decisions and changes that will actually will make a difference, not just skim the surface and pretend there's nothing underneath.", "Learned a few days ago that around ten thousand* shipping containers are lost at sea each year. It’s bananas that we don’t force these shipping companies to recover them.", "Did you not watch the video? Of course you didn't.", "We used the nets to catch the nets", "Dragging a net between two boats is just fishing. This will kill huge amounts of marine life, emit tons of greenhouse gases, and have basically no impact on marine plastic.\n\nThese clowns should listen to the literally hundreds of marine biologists and conservation scientists who keep telling them this is a shit idea and put their money into the things that actually work (ie Mr Trash wheel, beach cleanups, and working to reduce the amount of plastic produced in the first place)\n\nThe \"aT leAst TheY're dOiNg soMetHinG!\" defense is stupid when what they are doing is actively harmful.", "Yeah this guy obviously didn't watch the video", "No. You’re assuming someone solving one problem isn’t valuable because a different problem exists. \n\nThat’s not true.", "human ingenuity by progressive minds will be the only thing that saves us from the counterbalance of humanity's destructive greed.\n\nthe people who do stuff like this will be seen as saviors in 15-20 years time, and they deserve it.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU Here is a video detailing how he plans to pick up plastic from rivers.", ">>>Why do we need a fundraiser for this\n\nThis. Is exactly why we need a fucking taxation of every company that produces pollutants.\n\nThe company that makes that single use plastic container that your \"organically, and artisanally hand-picked himalayan dill from the andes of south africa grown with spring water harvested by virgins who squirt the nectar of life upon the green moist leaves of the nurturous plant that give oh so little flavor to your mom's famous spaghetti that was grown in california shipped to china to be hulled, deshelled and out into plastic containers shipped back to the US to be sold in plastic stores under plastic lights in plastic boxes bought with plastic by plastic people in a plastic city built on false reality and use programming to tell people they are doing the right thing being healthy and protective of the planet by purchasing our machine manufactured and costly growing mechanism to give that tiny dose of dopamine to the brain telling that person they are satified with their decision, even though they have been brainwashed into thinking that \"organic\" means anything OTHER than \"hey we didnt spray chemicals on your naturally growing organism to make it shape, color, look and feel the way you want without such pesky things as polinators and other insects who thrive in nature... ..in order to extract more profit...", "It is because usually that’s all they’ll do. Humanity has a nasty habit of putting tape on a leak in the titanic and congratulating itself over a problem solved.", "> 8 million metric tonnes of plastic enters the oceans every year.\n\n> the pacific garbage patch \n\nCan you spot the difference between those 2 statements? \nI can", "I mean, the vast majority of the plastic is microscopic and impossible to clean up. So they’re basically just making it look nice, and getting rid of stuff that can immediately kill sea life. Which is great, but isn’t really “solving” or “fixing” anything, and is like saying that sweeping a shag rug is “cleaning it”\n\nIt’s called greenwashing and it distracts from what is actually necessary. Corporations get to say “but we fund environmental projects” that don’t actually do anything substantial, and then continue to, for example, pump out plastic packaging", "never said it would biodegrade, wash ashore, sink to the bottom, and maybe we are able to develop technology to remove it effectively in the future but again none of that matters if every minute of every day we are dumping more and more into it. But seriously the idea of surface shifting the gyres is pretty fucking silly.", "$5 to TeamSeas\n\nMatch me lol\n\nEdit: And I challenge every billionaire to donate the same percentage that I have, which is at least $50,000 each btw.", "They do have a fleet of river interceptors. \n\nPeople are working to reduce plastic production and consumption. \n\nTwo ships is nothing compared to the massive shipping fleets getting your iPhones from china. Ocean Cleanup is looking into alternative fuels for their fleets. \n\n1,000 kg = 1 ton. So they captured 9 tons in one haul in their PROOF OF TECHNOLOGY trial. \n\nCoca-Cola is a major funder of Ocean Cleanup. At the end of the day, unless you're Satanic Nestle, most major corporations have adopted ESG strategies but they're still beholden to their stakeholders and have a bottom line they need to achieve. \n\nPeople like Boyan Slat are showing that there are economically viable ways to solve these problems. So the more of these technologies come to light, the more funding they will get and the more they will scale up. \n\nYou propose a concept, pilot it, refine it, scale it, then plug it into a much wider ecosystem of countless other people working towards solving the same problem as you. \n\nI'm sick of Reddit always being so skeptical when this guy has literally achieved the impossible after saying he would as a child over 10 years ago. I don't want to say every bit helps because in a lot of cases it doesn't. But when you have a technology that can be scaled up and help fight the fire. It would give those fighting it at the root a better chance.", "Thanks, just sent 5 bucks", "It’s not clickbait. What he meant was “greenwashing”", "I mean sure, the developed world is part of the issue, but you also need to realize that rivers and the ocean are the standard way to get rid of trash in many parts of the world.", "And he would agree with you! This is why on top of this the same company has what they call intercepters at rivers. The vast majority of the plastic comes from a very small percentage of the rivers, they place these interceptors near the ocean mouth and they are pretty autonomous however, once the trash is collected the local trash management companies need to go out there, collect them and dispose of it properly. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTemOTZS9Ag&ab_channel=CNET) is the interceptor I'm talking about. \n\nBasically his plan is two fold. \n\n1. Stop new plastic from entering the ocean.\n2. Cleanup the existing plastic already there. \n\nPretty solid I'm my opinion, and they are taking an iterative design so all of these systems should continue to get better.", "The term you’re looking for is “greenwashing” not clickbait", "Where does it go so it doesn’t come back? Also if the main sources of this trash aren’t stopped this is just a bandaid or a photo op not a solution.", "Did you not even watch the whole video? They literally touch on all of these things. \n\nThey plan on adding ten ocean cleaning systems every five years. This includes the 3.0 version which is significantly larger.\n\nThey also pledged to go carbon neutral with low carbon emission fuel that they’re currently experimenting with already.", "Things like this is where billionaires' money should be going.", "https://youtu.be/tsXKAtpLm4I", "they’re missing just one period or comma in the middle of their comment (and one at the end that doesn’t particularly matter) and it took you a long time to realize what they are saying?", "They’re not trying to get all the plastic in the ocean.", "We would park our battleships in the seas and shoot the garbage with AA guns", "Link?", "If they gave a shit about doing real good they'd have used up all of their surplus money before they even hit $10mil.\n\nBy definition, you have to be a fucking empathy free sociopathic psycho to stack your gains that high while watching your countrymen live without sufficient food, education and health care.", "No big mystery - because he is currently leading a campaign to gather donations for ocean cleanup. His teamseas campaign is relevant to the linked video, hence why it (and he) came up.", "https://theoceancleanup.com/", "Banning plastic wouldn’t clean up the millions of tons floating around choking wildlife though. Neither will waiting for carbon neutral ships. I think that’s what the other commenter is saying. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of great.", "Reddit is a representative slice of humanity as a whole. A smaller more intelligent slice than Facebook, but still a slice. As Tommy Lee Jones said: A person is smart. People are dumb…", "The biggest issue of online discourse is that there's often a complete lack of nuance. I remember people shitting on this project and I remember agreeing with a lot of comments and overall the comments weren't necessarily wrong, however there was no nuance to it. As it was even mentioned in the video, the original prototype of an autonomous system doesn't work (or at least not in that iteration) because of various issue (debris floating away faster than the catching system). I recall people mentioned something similar back then too. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't even try it and scrap the entire idea. You just go back to the drawing board, iterate, improve on it, and then try again. But often that whole process gets lost as people just assume it's not even worth trying.\n\nDeath of nuanced conversation.", "You know what. For not being a hypocrite, you have a deal. I just donated $5. This is a great cause.", "Ye, this is just the easiest stuff to get out of the ocean. Layers of plastic and microplastic on the ocean ground is the near impossible part.", "9000kg of plastic. This thing will need to run nonstop. Good start, but we need to do more.", "Parts of humanity also has a nasty habit of degrading progress because other progress isn’t also simultaneously being made by the same people.", "Don’t clean that up too much! Where are the unvaccinated going to live after we finally shoot them all out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean", "Lol. Nice reach there.", "That’s a great point but let’s see the YouTuber’s ledger and determine what percentage of the catch they keep. It may be a wiser use of kids’ and teens’ money to go through a more reputable organization with checks and balances.", "No one's saying that.", "It's not like its solid platsitc. It's just swimming around in the ocean and it has a high density there at the size of Texas.", "While microplastics make up 94% of the estimated 1.8 trillion plastic pieces, they amount to only 8% of the 79,000 metric tons of plastic there, with most of the rest coming from the fishing industry.[43]\n\n\nGotta read the whole article. 92% of the mass is larger than microplastics. I agree that the microplastics are an issue but clearly the larger ones are too.", "Why can't India and China simply not dump it in the first place?", "That’s because those people look at history and know how things happen. \n\nIt’s called learning from history. \n\n\nThe public is gonna look at this and go “see? Problem solved.” Then efforts to remove microplastics won’t get much funding because you know how much the public hates it when their money is spent on efforts they see as not necessary, and you know how goddamn stubborn they are to accept new information. \n\nAnd that’s saying nothing on how politicians will take public sentiment and run on it while attacking the side that’s trying to justify funding on the problem. \n\n“The democrats are for wasteful spending of your taxpayer dollars on a non-problem! We removed the plastic from the ocean a long time ago! These “microplastics” as they call it aren’t choking anything!”\n\nThey’ll use misinformation.", "There's gotta be a more eco-friendly way to use that trebuchet. Maybe throwing oil company board members into a forest.", "€200 for a pair of sunglasses!", "And what is the source for most plastic waste? It boils my blood when I see a package of food filled 1/3 with food, 2/3 air for a cheaper price. Our governments should control packing factories and make them responsible for wasting plastic irresponsibly.", "The real problem is the microplastic.", "Smooth punning there.", "I remember valid questions being raised, e.g.\n\n* Is it scalable?\n* Will it be robust enough to survive in the open sea?\n* Will it kill sea life?", "Short of GPS tagging every container on a ship containing hundreds to over a thousand there is no way at to recover them a lot of the time. If it’s lost in a storm for example that container will end up far away from where it fell off the ship.", "I was born in the Philippines, when I was a kid we had a creek behind our house, My mom said when she was a kid the water was so clear that they would swim, fish and play in it. Then squatters started building upstream and started using the creek as a toilet and trash disposal. When flood season would come that creek would turn into a river or garbage and my last memory of that place was seeing two dead bodies floating in the garbage. Not blaming poor people but blaming the government for not having proper garbage disposal.", ">Redditors are mostly people who say negative things so they can feel smart on the internet.\n\nI'd argue they're mostly contrarians. Now it's more trendy to be in favour of this, Redditors are all for it.", "Here; you throw this away.", "I'm so tired of these kinds of takes with any environmentally positive movement. Your making a lot of mistakes in your reasoning.\n\nFirst, it's possible to work on multiple aspects of a problem at the same time.\n\nSecond, your argument is basically that this is treating the symptoms but not the cause...and your right. The thing is it's ok to work on the symptoms of a problem especially ones as complex as this.\n\nThird, you say to really fix this we need low-impact managements systems. This is true and the owner of this company would agree with you as he has talked about that very subject many times. In fact, his interceptors work with local trash management companies. His interceptors collect the trash and then the local management companies deal with it properly.\n\nFourth, you say the real problem is the production. Again I agree, and there are other companies and governments, and NGOs working on that problem as well. In particular, they are trying to find biodegradable solutions that are also cheap, scalable, with similar properties to the plastic we use today. This is quite a difficult problem though and will take time to find working solutions and to scale them properly. Plastic is incredibly diverse in its properties, so a solution that works for plastic A may not work for plastic B.\n\nFinally, I think this quote sums up the problem I have with these kinds of takes the best \"Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress\"\n\nIs this a perfect solution? No. Are there other problems that need to be solved in parallel? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't support this effort, or that this effort is wasted? Of course not. The solution to this problem and all complex environmental problems is an \"all of the above\" approach. If this effort cleans up 5% of the plastic, then we only need 20 more approaches that have similar success rates.", ">Just looked online quick\n\nWhere? I'd imagine fishing is far more polluting", "I don't understand what you're saying. I didn't repeat anything that was said in the OP.", "Climate change is real. This is just a feel good bandaid on an amputated leg.\n\nAlso did you know that other people can reply to comments on Reddit?", "He said \"carbon neutral using carbon offsets\". Carbon offsets are what corporations are using to green wash the company. It's big money but is complete BS. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994774148/emission-impossible\n\n\nThe river deployment is the only thing that makes sense. This drag netting is absolutely idiotic.", "I fucking love this.", "I want to throw a pair of those sunglasses in the ocean.", "10/10 rant. Imagined your face turning redder and redder while yelling it.", "Together we took an entire bag of trash out of the ocean. Let's fucking GO!", "Good stuff. Ive had an idea for a while to put up a giant net blocking garbage from filtering into the long Island sound. One can hope!", "Where they gonna put it when they collect it?", "Every day 43.8 million pounds of trash make it into our oceans.", "I unequivocally disagree with the sentiment of this statement, as it's in my nature to dispose such things while using words I am not confident in.", "> representative slice of humanity as a whole \n\nNo, it's not. The average reddit user is far too wealthy, liberal, educated, and tech-savy to be even close to representative. \nOf course, that doesn't mean that it isn't full of fuckwits.", "This is such a simple solution that just took somebody extraordinarily driven to see it through. Kudos!", "Great news. Who is throwing all this plastic garbage into the ocean to begin with? We really do need to, as an international community, sanction countries that willfully pollute the oceans like this.", "I'm down where do I sign", "We do so much “woke” and “green initiative” shit in the military. Im all for the purpose behind those but like with anything ran by the government, it’s planned , budgeted, and executed horribly. \n\nWith that said, the navy or coast guard can and should easily implement this- at least for publicity sake. It’ll probably be such waste if tax dollars to use a multi billion dollar ship to do this but wasting money is DoD’s bread and butter", "Who's paying for this?", "Good job pronouncing Yves.", "\"So where is all this plastic coming from?\"\n\nPlastics Manufacturers: Sweating profusely\n\n\"Its coming from the Rivers\"\n\nPlastics Manufacturers: \"Oh thank Christ, they're blaming it on Rivers\"", "Not to mention all of the microplastics that have reached every place on earth including Antarctica.", "They sell sunglasses made out of the plastic they collect, most of which goes to the cause.", "But all that big stuff gets broken down into the small microscopic stuff eventually right? So by doing this you're essentially removing huge clumps of microscopic particles that would have been there in the future. Saying this is 'just making it look nice' is honestly unjustified. It's the same with carbon output, if someone found a way to freeze our current CO2 emissions they'd be a genius even if that wouldn't remove the CO2 currently in the air.", "The Navy does humanitarian aid after crises, like earthquakes or typhoons in the Pacific. Idk why they couldn't add cleaning some shit to that list.", "Finaly some good fucking food", "If you dont understand that the one causes the other then idk what to tell you", "Cool initiative...\n\n I hate to think just how many times/how long you need to do this to clean ALL the pollution though sigh", "How about a system which is designed to clean when tied at the back of ships during their routes?? Should be better in a sense that logistics is also cleaning service??", "They should still be taxed to the point of not being billionaires, and the funds gained should be used to better society instead of crossing our fingers and hoping the person who made all their money exploiting the underclass will be a generous senpai.", "Similar efforts by the same company. They are deploying similar systems at the base of the worst rivers.", "The way he pronounces Yves 🤦", "Yes. Never said it was actively bad. But as someone pointed out below, this is pretty much going to be used as an excuse for plastics companies/petroleum industry to say “well now we know it can be cleaned up, so we can keep pumping out plastic products”.\n\nThey did the same thing with recycling. 99% of what you recycle is unprofitable to actually recycle, and gets shipped out to developing countries to be dumped and/or burned. Recycling, while technically a good idea, is a big lie used to excuse the continued and expanding use of plastic", "I would like to be apart of that company and help them clean up the ocean. But i don't think i can be apart of it.", "This always boggles my mind. Just the absolute sheer amount of cheap plastic bullshit that is being manufactured.", "The surface level cleaning begins. \n\nThe rampant microplastics and bottom-dwelling single-use plastics in places like the deep trenches and ocean floors will exist for the next 30,000 years.\n\nThere's even microplastics inside all of us, at this point.\n\nIf you've eaten fish at any point within the past 7 years, surprise! It's carcinogenic microplastics!", "There is some missing accounting. The majority of plastic pollution isn't actually surface level.", "Tell me you didn’t watch the video without saying “I didn’t watch the video”", "Just wait until one whale gets caught in this thing and all the haters will all of a sudden be environmentalists who knew this would never work.", "It's the same issue of the world leaders flying in on private jets. It's people who want to complain about every little thing and not understanding nuance. And no I don't think the summit could have been a zoom meeting.", "[The US federal government has given away millions of dollars to clean up thousands of tens of tons of marine trash.](https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10/documents/marinelitter_booklet_10.16.20_v10epa.pdf)", ">Isn't it in Maersk's interest to keep global shipping of cheap, disposable, plastic consumer goods going at a high\n\nNot really, but as a shipping company obviously they do a lot of polluting (although shipping is the most efficient means of transporting good per tonne) so they get to finance things like this and make themselves look good and I'm sure the board members get to give themselves a tap on the back, but thats fine whatever", "They are trying to", "do you have idea just how big Texas is and what it would take to cover it just over?", "Except that it is a solution, and a good one at that. The larger plastics are what break down into these microplastics over time. So what do you think happens when we remove these bigger pieces from the ocean? They can’t break down into microplastics. \n\nYes, we will still need to deal with the microplastics that will remain after much of the cleanup is completed, but once the bigger pieces are gone, people can start looking at new solutions for that without worrying about more and more microplastics being added.", "\n\n>\tWhy don’t we just ban plastics altogether? That would solve the problem close to 100% right?\n\n\nNo. That would stop new plastic from getting into the ocean. That wouldn’t do anything about cleaning up the plastic currently in the ocean.", "I think you’re misunderstanding. My issue with this project is not that it’s imperfect (you’re right everything is) or that we don’t need to work on symptoms or that this effort should not be supported at all. More or less everything you state is correct.\n\nMy frustration is the disproportionate attention and financing the ocean cleanup is getting and how it’s used as a greenwashing tool and excuse not to take other actions. Major plastic-polluters are supporting this effort and using it in their sustainability reports and talks as a greenwashing tool. Other plastic-linked companies point to the ocean cleanup as indirect reasons why structural changes are not necessarily needed, because the problem can just be dealt with afterwards. \n\nAgain, I don’t think the basic idea behind this project is bad, it’s good! The ocean needs to be cleaned up. But it’s NOT a part of the solution, that needs to be very clear. It’s part of minimizing damage and of cleaning up “afterwards”. However, certain actors treat is as if it was a solution and thus use it as a brake on other, actual solutions.\n\nIt’s this discrepancy between the actual value of this project, the amount of support it gets and the way it’s portrayed by actors with a certain interest in mind that frustrates me so.", "Yeah but that ignores what else might have been produced with that capital. \nIt’s called the Broken Window Fallacy.\n\nTaking money from the private sector to create jobs that produce munitions ignores the jobs that could have existed making shoes. \n\nIn the first you end up with jobs and no final good (as it would be destroyed upon use). \n\nIn the second, you would have jobs and the final produced good.", "Just to be clear, the scale of this is essentially the same as when Trump tossed paper towels to flood victims in Puerto Rico. \n\nI'm not at all saying this is bad, just that it would be completely wrong headed to think this is, in any way, a solution to the problem.", "Don’t be so optimistic. It’s not just Reddit", "All the plastic they pull out is otherwise going to sit there and erode into more microplastics. Gotta stop the cycle somewhere and this is a whole lot easier and more efficient", "Ok, so I support major changes to how we tax billionaires, but that’s unrelated to this conversation.\n\nIt’s also worth mentioning that “until they’re not billionaires” is not the right goal, nor is that necessarily even possible since most of that wealth is unrealized stock market gains. Forcing those stocks to be sold would crash markets and erase the wealth, not make it available for the betterment of society. \n\nTax reform is a must, absolutely. But this is the type of argument that gets people who want change laughed out of town. \n\nThe recent proposal to tax unrealized gains is already considered too radical by many, but is probably the closest thing I’ve seen to a proposal that might work. It still raises major questions.", "Dump a bunch of vinegar in the washer with the clothes and it fixes that for that load.", "Donate to TeamSeas. Like all of YouTube is teaming up with this guy’s org", "they talk about that in the video, including how and why they need to scale up.", "Its a donation too, it funds their efforts", "how about that the vast majority of trash is not on the service but suspended below the water surface degrading. This has been the same remark to this project for past 10 years, they didn't rise really to any worthwhile challenge, and just stuck with the surface catchers which are not innovative at all. Look up how they made first one and it immediately broke and became a piece of ocean trash that had to be hauled back to shore.", ">catapult user\n\n>Pleb\n\nNo need to repeat yourself\n\n/R/TrebuchetMemes", "I’m done with this laundry hamper. Where’s the nearest ocean?", "Wait, what? How they doing that?", "Yeah, it’s fucking bullshit that they couldn’t instantly fix this massive problem in an 8 minute video. \n\nWhy even bother to try if we can’t have instant gratification?", "I’ll copy what I replied to another person with:\n\nYes. Never said it was actively bad. But as someone pointed out below, this is pretty much going to be used as an excuse for plastics companies/petroleum industry to say “well now we know it can be cleaned up, so we can keep pumping out plastic products”.\n\nThey did the same thing with recycling. 99% of what you recycle is unprofitable to actually recycle, and gets shipped out to developing countries to be dumped and/or burned. Recycling, while technically a good idea, is a big lie used to excuse the continued and expanding use of plastic", "Wow, what a great and selfless human. I'm sure he had so many hurdles and obstacles to jump over during the development phase, but it's so great to see such a positive service starting to work.", "You revoke their passport and trebuchet them into the ocean", "90% of everything you've ever used came from one of those 6 countries.", ">\tDon’t let perfect be the enemy of great.\n\nYes. This. \n\nAnd, I’m also saying “be clearheaded in your criticism.” He was conflating two distinct problems and using that as an excuse to not make progress. \n\nSo he was letting the perfect solution OF A DIFFERENT PROBLEM be the enemy of a great solution to this problem. \n\nAnd, unfortunately, the more criticism we have of good ideas the more most people will think the good ideas are bad.", "What do they do when they get to land?", "> This drag netting is absolutely idiotic.\n\nThat's a bit harsh I think. It's not the proper solution, but I still see it as early concept testing and a way to raise awareness (and money). Autonomous solar powered systems may be the goal and we're definitely not there yet. But you gotta start somewhere and keep moving forward.", "Thank you for the math. The video addresses your final point, in that for phase 3 they are looking at scaling up their fleet while experimenting with different fuels to help off-set their carbon output.", "Good news, you can take 3 minutes to look it up because they’ve addressed that.", "“Hello, I’m Sarah McLahclan. You’re about to cry”", "The stuff they hauled out appears to be in remarkably good conditions. E. g. the baskets and balls.", "Thank God for Boyan and his vision!!! This is incredible news! He's also addressing the rivers and tributaries that contribute over 80% of the pollution in the ocean.", "They talk about that briefly in the video", "Same here, I donate as well. But if the billionaires gave the same percentage the \"small people\" do, there would be a lot of terrible things that we can combat", "Bro, you are making an argument including math based on the whole of the ocean \n\nfrom a statement focusing on a specific part of the ocean. \n\nso if you cant see how there can be different equations due to area of focus... idk what to tell you then", "Everything gets thrown away. You're just seeing what floats", "This guy didn’t watch the video. We should just leave the plastic out there until a better solution has arrived. Dumb fuck.", "> A tsunami carries out a lot of items from homes that intended to continue using them. A.large gust of wind takes someone's property and throws it into a waterway.\n\nThat just immediately makes me think of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKb9z4l7eM).", "So who is paying for this fleet? I hope it's Coca-Cola, Nestle and all the other one-use plastic producers in the world.", "Microorganisms who evolved into plastivores: \"We got this\"", "Redditors also the same kind of people to say ‘what an idiot, putting themselves at risk!’ when anyone does any form of stunt or any activity that isn’t walking from their PC chair to their beds.\n\nPutting other things down incessantly is a good indicator of someone’s insecurity tbh", "You’re right that is the largest humanitarian force in the world. It’s also really bad about blowing up civilians instead of terrorists. The US military can be good at one thing and bad at another.", "The video touches on point 1, which was one of my major concerns. By having a slow-moving, shallow net, fish are allegedly able to escape by swimming down and away from the net.\n\nPoint 2 is being addressed with a river system they are developing.\n\nPoint 3 is true, but you have to start somewhere.", "The giant ship drag netting thing is still, how I see it, early concept testing. It's not the end solution just the next step in development. Systems 3 and probably 4 will be scaled up, slightly more efficient versions of this. Maybe by system 5 we get something green and autonomous? Either way we're a decade out at least I'm sure. But you have to start somewhere, you can't just ignore the problem forever when the perfect solution isn't immediate.", "Just donated $25. Thanks for the link!", "Jeah and also stop studying to get a degree because you won't make lots of money while studying.\n\nEverything starts small, you know.", "Bro, that was my exact thought. \"Wtf those look brand new\"", "Thanks! Dropped 25 on it.", "You want to talk about getting companies to stop using plastics in order to prevent plastic waste? Cool, but that doesn’t negate the efforts of these guys.\n\nRegardless of what companies do (or will do), plastic still needs to be removed from the ocean, and so that’s what these people have begun doing with their systems. That alone makes it a real and viable solution for that singular purpose. But, for whatever reason, you’re trying to have a completely different conversation to justify your criticism of what they’re doing. It makes no sense.", "Just evidence that if you want to do something right, do it yourself. \n\nCan you imagine how ineffective, not to mention massively expensive it would be if it was a US government or UN run program?", ">Redditors are mostly people who say negative things so they can feel smart on the internet. They will always look for why it’s a bad idea if there’s even a remotely drawback with a plan.\n\nIronically, here you are, a redditor, being negative about other redditors...", "The fucknuggets would then say their hate spurred thee.", "In a choice between removing plastics from our oceans but having to do carbon offests for current proulsion/ production methods and doing nothing, Im going to side with removing plastics from the worlds oceans.", "It's really not that simple. The war machine is a huge thing that is also a giant jobs program not just for the contractors but their sub contractors as well. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, etc. are huge government contractors that provide hundreds of thousands of high paying white collar jobs.", "Do you have a reading disorder or is English not your first language? I was able to immediately understand...", "Hey can I get in on doing the exact thing we're critiquing too?", "It all goes into their place names.", "Thanks goebbels", "I really don't think they should be researching how to give more people prostate cancer... Kind of a dick move, so to speak", "Just slap a giant Amazon/Google/Microsoft logo a flag and fly it over the cleanup. Boom, advertising everytime someone brings it up.", "This is great but if we really want to turn the tide on the issue we need to address the source of the problem- countries where the main method of garbage disposal is dumping dump trucks of trash at a time into rivers.", "I'd love to see them crack down on ghost nets and other lost fishing gear that continues to kill sea life.", "Shut up", "Fuck yea! good job!!", "That's also completely naive and privileged. It ignores the fact that this relatively peaceful period starts at the end of the worst conflict ever that ended with the use of atomic bombs against civilians. Nukes and the trauma of the last world war is really what has kept the \"peace\". \n\nThe us hegemony certainly protects international commerce and helps its allies, but that's about it. It has also been fueling major instability in other parts of the world and getting involved in conflicts solely to protect private interests.", "I mean, I literally said twice that I wasn’t saying this is an actively bad thing.\n\nY’all are thinking with an “either/or” mindset: it’s either a good thing or a bad thing. Me and a few others here are trying to promote a more realistic “both/and” mindset where this is both a good thing and something which has the potential to encourage greenwashing and ignoring the underlying problems.\n\nThe issue of cleaning up plastic is intrinsically related to how much plastic we produce. The fact that you are saying it’s a “completely different conversation” is exactly why this sort of thing is really effective at distracting people from the real, underlying issues", "Totally agree that there are people out there who do have the funds and should help support these initiatives, but I think:\n\n1. A lot of those people probably do donate/support at some scale, just not as public about it.\n2. The benefit of a fundraiser is that it brings the issue to light so more people hear about it and understand that it is a problem, thus making it more known as a global issue and task.\n\nImagine if Jeff Bezos invested a billion dollars into trash collection. That would be awesome! But this would only be a means to try to fix this issue temporarily as diffusion of responsibility would result in most people saying \"Sweet, someone else pitched in a ton of money to solve the issue, so now I don't need to do anything anymore.\"\n\nBut that's precisely the problem! That's what got us into this in the first place. Yes, these massive companies generate tons of trash every year, but so does the average person. A big campaign would likely not only bring in lots of money, but also remind everyone that they can do their part not just by throwing money at the problem, but also figuring out ways for them to help by producing less trash or reminding them to reduce, reuse, and recycle.\n\nSo I think there's still value in big fundraisers for this type of problem (and many others out there).", "Also, their method does not seem to distinguish between trash, kelp, or living organisms in any way.", "Nobel peace prize 🏆", "The garbage patch can be largely put in to two categories. First is fishing waste, and the second is run off. First is things like tangled fishing nets that get cut free, cut fishing lines, etc. This is part of the fishing industry, and unless there is a fundamental change in how people fish, then it's not going to stop. The run off portion is sometimes intentionally dumped, but more often than not, it's trash that is unintentionally dumped in the water. The liter on the side of the street gets blown in to a storm drain or on to the beach and then makes it's way in to the water. Or a hurricane floods a town, and washes tons of debris in to the ocean as the water subsides. This kind of waste is not as easy as telling people to simply stop.", "We don't call it that here and I used to wonder what a recessed ladies breast was", "Good luck getting ~3 billion people, most of whom aren't environmentally conscious, to cooperate. When I was in Asia I witnessed garbage collectors on multiple occasions dumping huge bundles of plastic waste directly into rivers. It's just the norm over there right now sadly.", "So no one saw that big condom floating in the ocean?", "lol seriously, read this 5 times like wtf is he saying", "War helps maintain the dollar, so in an indirect way it does help the purchasing power for projects such as these.", "I know this stuff. Microplastic is a huge issue but it is also outside the scope of what I am talking about. I am talking about prevent MORE microplastic. You have to start there. You have to eliminate the large plastic before the small. \n\nAgain the situation can get worse. How can you just ignore that? We have to prevent more plastic getting in. Thats step one\n\nI think there should be huge taxes on plastic to prevent more going into the environment and invest in fixing this issue. Its preventable but governments and corporations don't want to invest the money", "Step one in solving the global warming crisis!\n\nNext step is to make that plastic into solar blinds, to launch into orbit at Lagrange points, to act as 'window blinds' that create shadows to protect us from the sun's solar energy!\n\nLaunch them into space using Musk's Starship. Bezos can create the space stations needed to manage them, and Branson can fly astronaut / tourists up there using his spaceplane!\n\nThat will cool the planet enough so we can get the rest of our act together, and find a permanent solution to the problem!", "Yea cleaning up is great, but we have to tackle the real issue. Plastic.", "If you saw them dumping the haul it looked to be a majority of commercial fishing trash: nets, buoys, baskets, etc. it’s been common pray for hundreds of years to just dump your trash overboard; curbing that would go a long way in preventing this as well.", "You can replace the ships with more efficient/ cleaner ships. Thats a seperate issue to removing plastics from the ocean and something that is slowly being pushed on Logistics companes like Maersk (who are the ones sponsoring this cleanup system).", "The cleanup part is fantastic, but I'm really confused about the whole \"turn it into plastic pellets to make more plastic things\" angle. Doesn't that defeat the purpose? The way he talks about it, it sounds like the business plan is to collect plastic trash, turn it into a different form of plastic, and then collect it again when it becomes trash. \"Talk about closing the loop.\" \n\nIt's a real stretch to say that those sunglasses are something \"people actually want\" too. I don't want those.", "Generally greenwashing is about using people’s genuine desire to support eco friendly products to sell a product that is not. \n\nIn this case, the “product” is not tangential to green initiatives (e.g. “our coffee cups are eco friendly”), the explicit end goal is to clean the oceans. \n\nIt’s fair to point out that problems still exist and need to be solved, the tech needs to get better, but this project doesn’t seem to fit the “greenwashing” MO either.", "But micro plastics come from larger plastics breaking up. Removing larger plastics will prevent the more microplastics from forming.\n\nE: I see a few people made that point, and the guy is still saying \"but it's not perfect!\" Kinda a weird take on what is objectively a good thing.", "I remember seeing on the show \"Survivorman\" where he went to a remote island in the Pacific and the beach was covered in trash, mostly from fishing boats. Even remote beaches in Canada would have garbage on them. He said that every beach he has been to, no matter how remote, always had lots of trash on it.", "3000 times is not that much considering the scale of the problem. I’m hoping they can stick with it!", "> Why don't we just ban plastics altogether? That would solve the problem close to 100% right? \n\nYes that will definitely make the trash already in the ocean completely disappear and prevent all the trash already in circulation from getting to the ocean. No more need to clean up the mess we already made. \n\nI kinda get the point you're trying to make. But moving forward with this concept, while not very efficient now, will lead to better systems in the future. New technologies will be developed. Other industries will benefit. Awareness of the plastic problem is massively up. All these things lead to much better, long term solutions. But you have to start somewhere. \n\nAnd like it or not, we're going to learn how to clean up and recycle our plastic way before we ever learn how to ban it. Just like we're going to figure out how to massively increase carbon capture before we ever manage to ban fossil fuels.", "nah screw that guy, he gets enough attention", ">I see what you did there\n\nI ~~see~~ sea what you did there.\n\n\nFTFY", "Again you are just wrong. It is possible but it will take effort. Clearly you just want to argue that its impossible instead of doing something. Just shut up and let the adults talk because you are wasting everyone's time", "But that wouldn’t perpetuate a grift to transfer money from the working / middle class to rich military contractors.", "I guess not exactly. I’d argue “greenwashing” needs to have its definition broadened beyond just products to include projecting a false concern about environmentalism in general. But I guess that’s sort of a different issue.", "Uhm....excuse me? \n\nIt's K who said that, not this Tommy guy. Did you even watch MiB??", "Well potentially, we don't yet know of the long term effect of microplastics and their assimilation into wildlife though admittedly it is likely that microplastics are detrimental to ecosystems.", "Lulz!! “Everything is nazi”\n\nGo away idiot", "Once upon a time, I could control myself", "This is literally why influencers are called that. They can influence people to do things they would otherwise not have done. You might not need an influencer involved but that just means you're not the target. Donate your money and shut up instead of being holier than thou and trying to shit on a net good.", "[Literally scratching the surface.](https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/great-pacific-garbage-patch/)\n\n> For many people, the idea of a “garbage patch” conjures up images of an island of trash floating on the ocean. In reality, these patches are almost entirely made up of tiny bits of plastic, called microplastics. Microplastics can’t always be seen by the naked eye. Even satellite imagery doesn’t show a giant patch of garbage. The microplastics of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch can simply make the water look like a cloudy soup. This soup is intermixed with larger items, such as fishing gear and shoes. \n\n> The seafloor beneath the Great Pacific Garbage Patch may also be an underwater trash heap. Oceanographers and ecologists recently discovered that about 70% of marine debris actually sinks to the bottom of the ocean.", ">\tIt’s also really bad about blowing up civilians instead of terrorists. \n\nWorse than terrorist are at blowing up civilians?\n\n>The US military can be good at one thing and bad at another.\n\nCorrect, they are not perfect and seriously doubt i made the argument it is but they are responsible for by far more good than bad.", "Excellent. Very exciting.", "I can guarantee that whilst promising, converting plastics back into hydrocarbons usable for fuel is nowhere near energy efficient. Not yet anyway.", "Their CEO's name is SO CLOSE to \"Buoyant\". Can't make this shit up. \n\n\"Boyan Slat\".", "This is one of those situations where we can’t continue to do nothing, but at the same dragging nets through the vastness of our oceans feels so futile.", "With the nobel prize money he could buy another ship.", "Tommy Lee Jones is the actor who plays Kay in MiB…", "I know, it’s like governments given trillions of dollars in taxes should be taking this on given the oceans importance to our planet, not random people!", "It's been shown before that's it's not very efficient at all. \n\nThis is not a proper solution. At best, very specific sites (river mouths, certain usually small gyre spots) could capture garbage in a useful manner.\n\nThe only real overall solution still is minimizing the amount of waste that goes into the ocean.\n\nThese projects tend to make people feel good but don't actually help much; I sometimes cynically think they are meant to prevent taking properly helpful steps in favor of homeopathic environmental projects.\n\n(Some individual projects might be helpful, but they'll never contribute much to the overall solution. We need to put out less garbage and collect it better.)", "Donated a million dollars", "And adding to this, if your goal as a billionaire philanthropist is to continue making an impact, the smart way to achieve this is to ensure you continue growing wealth so you can continue contributing.", "Mr beast is also doing team seas instead of team trees. $30 million = 30 million pounds of trash removed", "Yeah and they were right too. This is a feel good project with minimal impact that cannot scale to actually solve the problem.\n\nWe still need to reduce our output of waste. It's far too inefficient to try to get it out of the ocean (and impossible for most of the waste anyway).", "People like this are the only ones that give me hope for humanity, and the world.\n\nI will be buying a pair of the ugly sunglasses and will wear them proudly as I pick up my neighbors trash.", "This is not about who is worse. Just because the “bad guys” blow up civilians doesn’t mean the “good guys” are allowed to do it too.\n\nI agree they do more good than harm, but that NEVER gives immunity from criticism. They should be better and stop killing civilians, even if that means having fewer opportunities to kill terrorists.", "Team seas baby!", "For real. I went surfing in Bali during the rainy season before. No matter where you go you’re just paddling through garbage. It’s pretty sad.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU", "This is the only actually useful version of fishing trash out. River mouths. Anything else is just way too inefficient. \n\nPrimary waste reduction is the only large scale viable solution.", "I’m too lazy to read, could someone explain what’s gonna happened to the trash after they collect it from the ocean?", "> But often that whole process gets lost as people just assume it's not even worth trying.\n\nThat's how America has been operating for awhile now.\n\n\"That won't work so scrap the entire idea.\"\n\nI call it Skywalker Syndrome, because just like every generation of Skywalkers in Star Wars, if they can't do it perfectly the first time, it's not worth trying to do at all.", "Yes. Pretty much every design they came up with will harvest Neustron, which will impact the ecosystem in unknown ways. One thing is for sure. A significant portion of it will die. They've been pointed at this a couple times and have steadily ignored it.\n\nI'm not a biologist, but I've read up on some history around it. And it sounds like quite a lot of biologists are concerned if the solution isn't more dangerous than the ailment.", "Serious question: what will happen to the garbage they remove? Does it go to a landfill? Will it be sorted to see if any materials are recyclable?", "Ah yeah, maybe we should give Jeremy a break.", "Donated half a bil", "Happy to see this cleanup but not sure if the net pollution will decrease using ships.\n\nWe need to shift away from plastic and to aluminum, hemp, etc.", "i dont have any money to donate but what can i do", "🎵PLASTIC, BAG IN THE SEAAAAA🎵", "If you watch the video they’ve located a main source of plastic pollution is rivers. So they want to put systems at the mouths of these rivers to stop it before it goes into the ocean and fund education efforts to those areas to prevent future pollution.\n\nJust listen once in a while instead of thinking up some catchy one liner that your boomer uncle approves of and pays you on the back for.", "Did you say a million doll hairs?", "It's great that they're getting plastic out of the ocean, but don't fool yourself. With less than 10% of all curbside recyclables actually being recycled, the majority of this garbage is going to end up in a hole in the ground.", "It's a good thing they [are aware of that?](https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/)", "According to Nat Geo, most of the plastic comes from fishing. \n\nhttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/great-pacific-garbage-patch-plastics-environment\n\n>Microplastics make up 94 percent of an estimated 1.8 trillion pieces of plastic in the patch. But that only amounts to eight percent of the total tonnage. As it turns out, of the 79,000 metric tons of plastic in the patch, most of it is abandoned fishing gear—not plastic bottles or packaging drawing headlines today.\n\n>A comprehensive new study by Slat’s team of scientists, published in Scientific Reports Thursday, concluded that the 79,000 tons was four to 16 times larger than has been previously estimated for the patch. The study also found that fishing nets account for 46 percent of the trash, with the majority of the rest composed of other fishing industry gear, including ropes, oyster spacers, eel traps, crates, and baskets. Scientists estimate that 20 percent of the debris is from the 2011 Japanese tsunami.", "Corporations don't give a fuck about that. It's long been decided that any action is on the consumer. So this is what we're left with.", "An asshole move, even.", "There’s not going to be one silver bullet for this though. We have to eliminate plastic waste going into the environment, absolutely, but we also have to clean up what’s already there.", "Stop throwing shit out of your car.", "What is more damaging, leaving the containers there or burning fuel in an attempt to recover them?", "Why would thy do that when they can just throw money at bunch of random charities and non-profits you'll never hear about and have no clue if that money actually went to anything while the wealthy get some positive PR and tax write offs", "I don't", "This is great but the companies that use plastic packaging etc. don't want any cost increases in their supply chain. So they aren't going to bother until it's cheaper to do what's right or at least break even to tell everyone they care.", "The sunglasses are more of a proof of concept. See, you CAN reuse this.", "I'm Wilford Brimley, and I have diabeetus.", "what an awful take. \n\nThis is a PART of a multi part solution. Nobody is denying that we need to minimize/eliminate single use plastic (acknowledged in the video) but we also need to clean up the mess that's there. This also helps bring more attention to the problem.", "Reddit wasn't like this. It used to be open discussions with questions, concerns and validated answers and refuted bullshit. Ever since it gained traction, it's been nothing but karma whoring. We just have to keep reporting the bad and rewarding the good. Don't give up on this community yet!", "I’ve sailed through the garbage patch, and while cleaning it up isn’t the only thing that needs doing by a long shot, it is absolutely worth doing. Minimizing it tastes like ‘whataboutism’ to me.", "People give a fuck, no one with the power to make a change to commercial practices gives a fuck.", "We should eat them.", "Absolutely, fix the problem before it is a problem. Plus, it uses renewable energy. The only thing that pollutes is the boat that comes and replaces the dumpsters. Other then that it is the perfect device.", "Hear me out: Aquatic Wall•Es", ">That's also completely naive and privileged. \n\nLULZ!! how is it privileged? \n\n> \n> \n>It ignores the fact that this relatively peaceful period starts at the end of the worst conflict ever that ended with the use of atomic bombs against civilians. \n\nit was against a nation that declared war against another nation. Pretty disingenous to argue the atomic bong was used against civilians when every bomb ever was used against civilians. Germans bombing of europe, Japanese bombing of Sout East asia. Please at least be genuine with your argument here.\n\n>Nukes and the trauma of the last world war is really what has kept the \"peace\".\n\nHow did that trauma post the first World war work out. And not sure your point that the fact the US military being in possession of a nuclear weapon helped it maintain peace around the world. military forces throughout history utilized technological advantages to carry out their goals. IS the US and the atom bomb any different?\n\n>The us hegemony certainly protects international commerce and helps its allies, but that's about it. \n\nLULZ!! thats about it is a pretty significant thing though and has led to unrivaled prosperity and economic freedom for billions around the world. Dont try to minimize that simply cause it doenst fit your argument of \"US military bad\"\n\n>It has also been fueling major instability in other parts of the world and getting involved in conflicts solely to protect private interests.\n\nWhere? I would argue any instability in those parts of the worked already existed or are mostly due to other factors. Seriously, are you trying to argue the Middle East wouldnt be riddled with extremist and corrupt tribal leaders enriching themselves off of oil if it wasnt for the US?", "Not to be a cynic but doesn’t all this trash then get burned leading to more global warming? Or end up in a landfill which is no better?", "Didn't know System of a Down had a new single out", "Cunninghams Law\n\nhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law", "Ok, let's say I have a shit-ton of money and I'm looking for a way to improve the world.\n\nI could give to this charity which claims it will remove 30 million pounds (15,000 tons) of plastic....let's say they will do that in one year.\n\nBut then I do a tiny bit of research and see that 8,000,000 tons of plastic go into the ocean every year. In other words, this charity will be reducing the amount of new plastic by 0.2%.\n\nMy immediate thought is \"that is nothing!\" and go look someplace else to give money that will have a greater impact.\n\nSo that is why charities like this have to fundraise. Because they are having essentially no impact on the problem and people don't want to give money to something that has no impact.\n\nNow of course you can say \"But it does have an impact! It removes 15,000 tons of plastic from the ocean!\" And that is true. But it is also true that this does almost nothing at all to solve the problem, and there are likely other solutions that would be more effective.", "I mean, we had a summit of politicians in Glasgow who all traveled using private jets (approximately 500 private jets). They sure could use some of 'our' tax money to fund this...lol they won't", "I am one of those people. I wrote a paper about the various efforts to get rid of ocean trash about 6 years ago. At the time the ocean cleanups design just wasn’t going to cut it or be feasible. My recommendation at the time was to give incentives, tax credits, or other stimulus to the shipping/fishing industries proportional to the amount of trash they brought back, and to limit the amount of trash that enters the oceans from shore using products like seabin. The current system the ocean cleanup is using makes much more sense to me and I can support it. It’s definitely a cliche for me to say this, but I am concerned about the emissions from those boats. Hopefully they are looking into lower emission options in the future.", "Let's just take all all trash and move it somewhere else. Inspired by Patrick star", "Maybe. I my viewpoint is based on my experience above. From a 1 stoplight town in western NY that had a complete recycling center that we went to every Saturday morning as a kid in the 90’s vs My adult life in North Carolina that’s just a dump and go (and then hear about how countries reject our states recyclables. Lobby groups or whatever, the disposal could arguably lobbied by green companies that can actually use the plastics for something else.", "Why aren't we trying to stop it before it even enters the rivers already polluting water sheds, how the fuck are we going to filter every river for microplastics. Maybe actually think about the real cause of the issue instead of these meaningless stop gaps?", "Yeah I dont really know much about the details, but I'd imagine that its a solution now for the tiny plastics in the future. They are multiple different problems.\n\n\nGetting out microplastics, getting out plastic in general, reducing the litter in the first place, reducing the creation of the plastic originally etc.\n\n\nA lot of the plastic in the ocean is definitely super tiny/microplastics. However had someone cleaned up the big pieces 20 years ago we wouldn't have the microplastics. So stopping the big pieces might not help with our current issue but it will certainly help to slow down the smaller more difficult to solve issue.\n\nThere is always a way to stop doing something because it logically doesnt work out. \n\n\"No point in cleaning up a single plastic bottle because 1.5 billion more are created everyday (real number)\"\n\n\"Even if you clean up a bottle, all the other ones are breaking down into microplastics that you wont ever be able to clean up.\"\n\n\"Even if you clean up the microplastics, you're burning fossil fuels to do it\"\n\n\"Even if you use clean energy to run and build the ship, its too expensive to work\"\n\nand so on. At some point there was the start. And this feels like it could be the actual start. It couldnt come at a better time as well. Globally change is coming. Governments and companies will eventually have a choice between self destruction and ecological rescue. They'll hate it but change will come out of necessity (and no sooner), it will be great to have something like this in place to be able to scale on a more coordinated effort.", "Sent 10", "No, all rich people are bad, and I am mad because they have more money than me.", "A lot of those baskets are used on fishing boats", "100%. Reduce and reuse are the two most important 'R's", "Fair enough, your article is referring to the Pacific garbage patch specifically. My comment is about plastic in the ocean generally. [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/ocean-plastics)", "What are we doing with it once we've fished it out? I propose we take all this trash from the ocean and all the trash from all landfill all around the world, really clean the planet up, and put it in one huge garbage ball, strap it to a rocket and send it into space.\n\nThat should solve our trash problem for say, a thousand years or so. Then we can recycle everything. Even sandwiches.", "I see your $5 and raise you $20\n\nLET'S GO REDDIT 😁", "where are they taking the garbage?", "For visibility? \n\nThe average person doesn’t even know it’s happening", "If you look at the world's 10 richest people, over half of them have committed to giving away their fortunes before they die.\n\nAnd if you look at the rest of the world's billionaires, you'll find a large number are dedicated to giving away the majority of their fortunes.\n\nSo you are right, the world's billionaires could make an astronomical difference in the world....and they are doing exactly that.\n\nThis particular project has almost zero effect in solving the problem of plastic in the ocean. If any billionaire gives money to this project it is because they are looking for publicity. If they actually wanted to accomplish something with their donation, they would give elsewhere.", "How do they avoid bycatch?", "Ha ha, at least you're making suggestions rather than just saying \"this/that {gigantic hurdle} needs to be done\". Well, no shit, why hasn't anyone else thought of that? If you're that concerned, start working on a plan and make suggestions.", "I didn't say that. Rober and the other influencers are claiming that 30 million dollars will clean up 14,000 metric tons of garbage or roughly 17.5% of what's estimated to be in there. \n\nWhat I'm getting at is that seems impossibly optimistic with this method.", "Posted without comment:\n\n[How Plastic Cleanup Threatens the Ocean’s Living Islands](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/ocean-cleanup-project-could-destroy-neuston/580693/)", ">This is not about who is worse. \n\nI never said it was. \n\n>Just because the “bad guys” blow up civilians doesn’t mean the “good guys” are allowed to do it too.\n\nAgain, I never said it was. As stated. The US isnt perfect. their interest and that of their allies will sometimes not benefit all and will conflict with the interest of others but this argument of yours that the US did something bad here means the are absolute bad just like terrorist is ridiculous.\n\n>I agree they do more good than harm, \n\nfar more good.\n\n>but that NEVER gives immunity from criticism.\n\nagain, who said it did. Why are you trying to throw out such claims no one has made?\n\n> They should be better and stop killing civilians, \n\nagree, the US takes great strides to limit civilian casualties. but unfortunately when your adversary is hell bent on fighting among and using civilians as cover there will be civilian lives lost. Again, no one here has argued otherwise and your simply making up arguments at this point.\n\n>even if that means having fewer opportunities to kill terrorists.\n\nIm sure without a doubt there are countless opportunities to kill terrorist targets that have been called off due to the likelihood of civilian casualties.", "And repair...\n\n(If anyone has any idea why my floor fan is having trouble picking up speed, despite me dismantling it, cleaning and re-greasing the bushings, I'm all ears!)", "Question that wasn't answered on YouTube.\n\nHow many tons of fuel need to be burned to collect 1 ton of garbage?\n\nIsn't the plastic breaking down over a long time somehow better than burning the fuel and releasing greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere?", "This is great, but it’s a drop in ocean. Insane amounts of litter is thrown into waterways and the ocean every day. This would probably the equivalent of cutting a single blade of grass on your lawn and patting yourself on the back for beginning the mowing process. We need to address the problem at its source, not at where all the pollution and littering ends up. Stop it before it gets there, y’know?", "No, that's what the rectal cancer research is for.", "A) I agree that greenwashing is a problem with those companies that actually greenwash. It, in no way, justifies criticisms against these people and their cleanup operation, because by doing so you place responsibility for the actions of other companies on them. It’s unreasonable, because all they can do is clean and advocate.\n\nB) I never said we shouldn’t have a conversation about plastic production at all, just that it’s a separate conversation from what these people are doing with their singularly-focused operation. Plastic needs to be cleaned up at the end of the day. There’s no way around that problem.", "They would certainly be safer and more stable if the US had not invaded them, yes. The unsafe conditions that they had before were nonetheless more safe than the ones created through bombing them. \n\nWhat a country on the other side of the world does may be \"authoritarian and abhorrent\", but that does not make it the US's job to invade \"to provide democracy and prosperity\".", "r/DeTrashed", "Visibility? You're literally on the comments section of a video for the charity. How is it possible that you came to the conclusion that people here would need to go to mr. beast then back to the ocean cleanup project to know what's happening?", "In many parts of the world people literally use rivers as their garbage dump.", "I was expecting a lot more garbage to be pulled out for all that effort. Thats like one days worth of refuse from one medium sized neighborhood. \n\nNow add up all the fossil fuels burned collecting it. \n\nThis seems like a fools errand at this rate, but it plays well for for the camera.", "Having conversations about plastic production is perfectly sensible. Criticizing cleanup operations because they aren’t stopping plastic production is not.", "Meanwhile Greta is still getting all the media spotlight, and literally all she has ever done is complain.", "The weather", "I understand where you’re coming from. I would like to clarify one thing though: I am criticizing the way the media and commenters here are presenting this as a proper cleanup rather than just a tiny step forward, balanced with explanations of the underlying issues. Without the context of greenwashing and increasing plastic production, they push an incomplete and manipulated framing of the topic. I am not criticizing the people doing this operation (necessarily: I don’t know their individual motivations)", "Pick up the trash roughly around the same time others started dumping raw sewage into it.", "This is great! Keep up the good work", "I've been on reddit for over 10 years. When was reddit not like this?", "How would you solve this problem without fund raising?\n\nThis is a perfect example of why Free Market / Individual Creativity is the only solution to climate change.\n\nIf you are naive, you'd think Tax the rich and give it to this group.\n\nBut, \n\n* Who decides to give it to this group vs some other group ?\n\n* The decision will take multiple months if not years. Because a Tax Payer money needs to be distributed fairly.\n\n* What if the solution are created by mostly White guys? There will be a bunch of people protesting that there is no diversity in distributing these Tax Payer funds and then there will be committee to ensure that 30% of the Funds are distributed to Black/LGBTQ community.\n\n* Bill Gates, Musk, Bezos are far more efficient in giving money to innovative solutions than the government. \n\n* If you want multiple solutions, you need more Billionaires because each can fund their high-risk / high-reward pet projects.\n\n* A Government can never never never never fund a high risk project and hence will never never never never get high rewards.\n\n* Climate change is the quintessential High-Risk/High-Reward game.\n\n* High Risk Projects Mathematically have to be done in Large Volume (Due to low probability of success). At the most, Government can take 1 or 2 risk projects without getting pitch-forked for 'wasting' money. \n\n* You know which group can take multiple high-risk projects?\n\nDownvote away boys", "tbf, many oceanographers also said it wouldn't work. And his original idea, of a self-sustaining, unmanned cleaning net powered by wind and waves, did fail. Now it's being pulled by boats - but still good on him.", "I've sent my resume to this company.", "Believe it out but, influencers have the power to influence people. Thus are able to get more people interested in the cause. Also, done of them like Mr Beast have money at their disposal to amplify their cause even more.", "Great thought! The downside is, I think that the drag of the net would likely increase fuel usage substantially (at cruise a cargo ship can use 63,000 gallons per day), and slow them down. You'd have a hard time convincing the shipping companies to slow down their ships as well as pay for the massive increase in fuel.\n\nIt's a really good idea though.", "...as a light-hearted joke", "Where are the billionaires at? Instead of racing away from earth and going somewhere else. Why don’t we help this planet first?", "I was all gung ho about getting the sunglasses till I saw they were 200 dollars a pair. Wtf!?", "17.6 billion pounds of trash are dumped into the ocean yearly tho so like what even is 30 million pounds of trash?", ">They would certainly be safer and more stable if the US had not invaded them, yes. \n\nThem who and what is this based on? Explain yourself please.\n\n>The unsafe conditions that they had before were nonetheless more safe than the ones created through bombing them.\n\nAgain, who is they and what conditions is it your talking about? \n\n>What a country on the other side of the world does may be \"authoritarian and abhorrent\", but that does not make it the US's job to invade \"to provide democracy and prosperity\".\n\nAgree, what is your point though regarding the topic at hand that the US military has led to unrivaled peace and prosperity. Are you even trying to argue otherwise or are you simply using this as an opportunity to push anti-US narrative?", "1. They’re trying to educate these third world regions to not dump into rivers.\n\n2. Even if we stop all plastic production tomorrow, we still have to clean up what is out there.\n\n3. This might not get every single piece of garbage, there are still micro plastics. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t scoop up what we can to stop further micro plastics from developing.\n\nI really don’t see why you’re so critical of this movement to clean up the ocean. If you have a better plan, go do it or advocate for it.", "Hey Ocean Cleanup....\n\nHow about you hold your pressers somewhere that isn't actively trashing the ocean. \n\nVictoria BC for those who don't know, ran a unprocessed waste system and dumps their sewage, and everything in it, directly into the ocean. It took decades plus of serious pressure for them to put in a treatment plant. The voters of victoria constantly voted it down. It was finally put in this year... That's right, a city of a hundred thousand plus, was dumping their sewage into the ocean until 2021. Despite decades of pledges to do something about it.", "You can also donate without buying any more fish. The fish industry is emptying and destroying the ocean", "Those people should learn about aerogardens.", "Let's keep the fish in the ocean as well. Stop buying fish", "LAUNDRY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY\n\nGOODNIGHT", "Most of it does. That's why it's always confusing when they put so much emphasis on plastic bags, bottles, straws, etc. The bulk of the issue comes from commercial fishing.", "Are you still purchasing fish?", "Only once, twice at most. Recycling plastic is just melting it down and molding it into something else. Unlike with glass or metal, you get a significantly worse-quality material each time you do it. You can't melt a plastic water bottle and then make a similar plastic water bottle out of it again.\n\nI really hope they find an end-product that is meant to be longer-lasting than a pair of cheap plastic sunglasses identical to ones you can find at any grocery store. Are the lenses even polarized? The website doesn't say, so I'm guessing not. In which case... yeah, I think they're taking trash out of the ocean and reshaping into another kind of trash to be sent to a landfill. A net positive, but could be better.", "That's great. Everyone must contribute to this process, because it's about the environment of our planet and the future of our lives and other generations.", "I support the project. But we need to work on it from all angels. The river project will be far more effective in my opinion. \n\nIn 15 years, let's say everything goes as planned, they have 30 systems with 3x the capacity by then. If each system can collect 3 tonnes every day. 30 systems * 3 tonnes * 365 days. That will be ~33 000 tonnes a year. Even if the systems can do ten times that, it will just be a drop in the ocean. And even with carbon neutral fuel they are expending a lot of energy to do this.", "They will readapt.", "I mean, they won't because they are selfish? Because they are assholes? We can agree all we want on that, but at the end of the day, if we want change to happen, supporting fundraisers like this is one of the most direct and pragmatic ways to do so. Now if you're just ranting, that's fine, I get it. It sucks, and I agree we should strive to make political change towards a future where the wealthy are more accountable.", "It takes a very simple and jealous mind to think like this.", "It gives it that Kony2012 feel.", "Makes sense as toothbrushes are almost universally plastic and 'experts' suggest changing them out far far far more often than needbe.", "98% is that plastic comes from China, Thailand, and Indonesia. The ocean is their landfill. \n\n0.00O001% comes from plastic straws given out at Starbucks in California.\n\nSo how exactly is a tax going to help? Other than placating your feelings as a jealous socialist.", "Think back to the Deep Water Horizon Spill. A Korean outfit brought over a modified tanker. Which had cuts in the hull to allow it to skim the water and clean oil. \n\nIt didn't work that well.yet with some new water processing equipment. Would be perfect for getting out trash and microplastics.", "Actually now that we can clean it up we can just dump ALL the trash into these same ocean currents! It's the world's most efficient garbage transportation system.\n\n/s", "Question: After donating 20 dollars did you go bankrupt?\n\nNo?\n\nNow scale that up to billionaire level and maybe...MAYBE (but doubtfully) you'll understand why your argument is stupid.", "That's still 5% of the problem being tackled now vs the 0% that was yesteryear.", "Dude sometimes I answer a question and then people downvote the person who asked it while upvoting the answer. How is anyone who has the same question supposed to see the answer if you downvote the question? Every day I ask myself why I'm on this website, and the answer is I don't fucking know", "Watch the video before commenting?", "In the video they explain what is done with the trash.", "YES!!! More of this!", "I knew some jerk like you would show up.\n\nWhy can't we support both kids? Why is it one or the other? Her complaining has made people aware of the effect climate change has on us. Maybe she didn't make you aware of it, but she did for others, and that counts.\n\nI'm sick of reddit thinking how everything is a competition", "C-Net reporting on a sea-net", "but who has all the money and the lobby to influence military operations?", "THIS MAKES IT WORSE\n\nTHEY SCRAPE THE TOP LAYER ECOSYSTEM\n\nCAUSING MORE DISRUPTION TO THE PLANET\n\nBLASTING FOSSIL FUMES INTO THE ATMOSPHERE", "+1\n\nI enjoyed typing that.", "+1", "The hero we need", "Not nearly as much asshkually...\n\nAfter seeing that documentary on over fishing, I have drastically reduced the amount of fish I eat.\n\nAlso, with unemployment and the global pandemic, I have drastically reduced my intake of literally everything.", "Thats why the river trawlers are the most important aspect of this effort", "empty comment, no new data\n\nthis is symbolic for the internet", "Is it still possible to buy those sunglasses made from the reclaimed plastic?\n\nedit: never mind, found them on the project's website.", "I just got done writing a paper on this for my capstone course in college. Turns out the GPGP is just part of the problem. Another problem that is occurring because of the plastic pollution is the microplastics that are entering our freshwater sources. That's right, we are beginning to drink these plastics we are polluting. Thus, causing currently unknown amounts of risks to our health.", "If you don’t tell a bunch of strangers you donated money did you really donate money?", "It's gross how big corporations are making others clean up their mess.. but yeah, we need to really lessen our use of plastics. Most of the blame should be put on the big corporations. But I fear that will never happen since it's so cheap to use plastic.", "You do realize that a big chunk of what they dump is unsorted/“recycled” western trash, right? The west doesn’t do anything with trash except give it to companies who claim they can recycle it, who then take what they can and dump the rest in third world countries.", "Off-topic but I’d say the opposite is more true\n\nReddit is entirely based on upvoting and approval\n\nPeople post things for approval\n\nNegative or dissenting views are usually in the minority in any given controversial post\n\nThey get shuffled to the bottom by downvotes whereas positive comments are more likely to be upvoted\n\nThe opportunity for meaningful, rational debate is completely sundered by allowing users to “vote”", "> at any grocery store.\n\nOr in any ocean.\n\nAlso don't forget to mention all the oil those huge ships burn, like wtf?", "He has a history of this over promising massively on this shit. Also by their own admission, they fully expect to directly kill millions of organisms per day in a best case scenario, and on a worse case scenario, over a hundred million. And that's just for System 002 which is in the video, he wants to go bigger. It's a snake oil solution that only seeks to bring attention to the issue but ultimately solves nothing and causes more problems.", "They will also do something if it inflates their ego enough. Hence Bezos sinking billions into calling himself an astronaut.", "Tragedy of the commons. \n\nLaws exist but are impossible to enforce in the open ocean.", "No, but the third worlders currently buying our garbage do.", "Ocean Cleanup also has river trash receptors, so they’re not ignoring that. \n\nThat said, there’s a shit ton of trash already in the oceans. Yes we gotta stop new trash, but we gotta get rid of the existing trash too", "Nice one, just grabbed 2 T-shirt’s.", "I didn't watch the video, how do they avoid trapping fish???", "Richest nations in the world continually dump and neglect the ocean and these people need a fundraiser to keep going. Castaway some presidents and politicians out on that garbage island and see how long it takes to get proper funding. Bourgeois rocket rides for fun, but been can't be bothered to help the largest resource that makes up our planet. Sickens me.", "How much air pollution will those 2 massive ships cause after 3k hauls?", "Does anybody know where all that plastic goes afterwards? I'm sure not all of it gets recycled but I could be wrong", "A lot. But IMO the trash in the water is worse.", "Fishing boats use them to store things in and they fall off. But you can easily find plastic that has been washed out to sea by tsunamis or heavy rainfall, storms etc", "Well, I guess putting it in a landfill is better than it sitting in the sea.", "If you want something more recent and relevant, as in this year and concerning System 002, why not try [their own environmental impact assessment](https://assets.theoceancleanup.com/app/uploads/2021/07/TOC_FL_21_3648_EIA_FINREV01_12July2021.pdf)? See page 131, the criticism still holds up, they expect to catch millions upon millions of organisms, per day.\n\n/u/zazaza89 is right to bring attention to criticism.", "Naw. It should really go to one of them billionaire folk for setting up/starting space tourism.\n\nIn all seriousness, if I won the lottery and became a multi-millionaire... this is the kind of project I would love to dedicate my time, $$ and energy into helping become a successful endeavor.", "I think it must have been about 11 years ago.", "Not to detract from it in any way, but the problem is the continued manufacture of plastic. If it exists, it has to degrade back into the ecosystem. The recovered material will have to go somewhere, and while it's beyond fantastic that this initiative exists, unless we fire it into the sun, it will still be here, on Earth, being toxic and producing microplastics.", "imagine how dissapointed a pirate would be after hijacking this boat only to find out it's full of garbage", "Still hasn't \"come to fruition\", it would take thousands of these to approach a 0.1% reduction in ocean waste. Unfortunately humans dump waste in faster than that.", "I believe they are making a joke.", "Damn my English writing skills are rough because I can only see 2 places where punctuation is needed. \n\nWould you mind pointing out where punctuation needs to be added?", "Which break down from regular plastic. Cleaning it up means less breakdown", "Most reddit commenters (myself included) are borderline fucking incompetent at living life. \n\nWhat kind of person goes on reddit to comment? It's unlikely that your doctor or lawyer is shitposting on here.\n\nIf you aren't in a decently vetted and moderated sub you can safely assume the comments are not going to be helpful, constructive, or even 50% correct.", "Well I did donate. I didn't post the amount to gain clout from strangers but rather to encourage people to donate by seeing that others are actually donating.", "Exactly. Microplastics have permeated the water cycle so badly they literally been finding microplastics in the snow on mountain tops.", "It’s already fucked. We all have micro plastics in our bodies at this very second. Unless you’ve been living off of your own supple of food for the past 30 years\n\nhttps://www.greenmatters.com/p/microplastics-detected-human-organs", ">. According to the researchers, the discarded plastics and other debris floats eastward out of countries in Asia from six primary sources: China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Thailand.[25][26] In fact, the Ocean Conservancy reported that China, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam dump more plastic in the sea than all other countries combined.[27] China alone is responsible for 30% of worldwide plastic ocean pollution.[28] Efforts to slow land generated debris and consequent marine debris accumulations have been undertaken by the Coastal Conservancy, Earth Day, and World Cleanup Day.[29][30][31][32]\n\n>According to National Geographic, \"80 percent of plastic in the ocean is estimated to come from land-based sources, with the remaining 20 percent coming from boats and other marine sources. These percentages vary by region, however. A 2018 study found that synthetic fishing nets made up nearly half the mass of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, due largely to ocean current dynamics and increased fishing activity in the Pacific Ocean.\"[33]\n\n>In September 2019, when research revealed that much ocean plastic pollution comes from Chinese cargo ships,[34] an Ocean Cleanup spokesperson said: \"Everyone talks about saving the oceans by stopping using plastic bags, straws and single-use packaging. That's important, but when we head out on the ocean, that's not necessarily what we find.\"[35] \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch#References\n\nRefer kindly to source studies referenced @27-35.", "Hahahaha fuck sake. It's sad but true.", "Keep going.", "They're offsetting the emissions from the ships and also implementing low-carbon fuels for their smaller support fleet. All this is in the video.", ">No, it's not. The average reddit user is far too wealthy, liberal, educated, and tech-savy to be even close to representative.\n\nIdk about wealthy, there have been a lot of absolutely eye opening comments recently that make me feel like I'm a 1%er", "You know how people will sometimes ask, \"What do you think we'll look back on and see as insane?\".\n\nFor me, it's plastic. Like, picking up takeout and getting four containers made of plastic. I think we'll see that as insane.\n\nI think of it as solidified oil, because that's what it is. Absolutely crazy.", "Bighead really made it", "A gust of wind takes your favorite air mattress while at the beach...", "If you think it's even remotely possible to make an impact on the ocean with this method, you're incredibly naieve. \nHere's what we need to do -- stop throwing shit into the ocean. This is just . . . . a soother for people who want to feel like they are doing something. \nIt's a placebo for actual action, and probably does more harm than good.", "....AND TURN THE FROGS INTO GAY!!!!", "Genuinely awesome", "You know somehow it would still smash though.", "It would take thousands of these to approach a 0.1% reduction in ocean waste. Unfortunately humans dump waste in faster than that. Also 95% of plastic is under the surface. So this feel-good project doesn't even have hope", "Tbf, his first idea did fail. The fact that he iterated and has created multiple successful solutions shows how much he really cares about the goal. The fact I haven't heard anything until now that he has something that isn't vaporware makes me respect him. He's actually come up with something that will make a difference and has stuck to his guns. \n\nAt the beginning I didn't think he'd actually end up with something useful", "This project may be not be producing massive results, but it is still producing results. Something is better than nothing. It should not be dismissed as just a \"feel good project\".", "Oh yeh… well you’re a big fat doody head!\n\nLet’s see you come back from THAT one Buddy.\n\n#DESTROYED\n\n…mic drop!!!", "Well it could be two or three depending on what the author’s original intent was. If the “Thank god” was meant to express thanks for the fact they live in Hawai’i, then you’d only need to add a period after Hawai’i and the end of the comment. If the thank god is expressing thanks towards the ocean cleanup, then you’d want a period after “god,” “Hawai’i,” and the end of the comment. That’s ultimately why the lack of punctuation here is kinda confusing.", "Yeah, his first idea wasn't very useful. He's run into the real world and, instead of giving up, has adapted and created a multi prong approach to actually deal with the issue", "> Death of nuanced conversation.\n\nNot even. If this updated version that actually works had been posted, then the reaction would probably have been much less critical. Like you said, the original post of this didn't fucking work, lmao. It wasn't scalable in the slightest, and it looks like they've found a way to do just that.\n\nSo, yeah. It can be both.", "You can't sweep the ocean if you don't start brooming back the tide.\n\nThe final suggestion of stopping the plastic at the rivers is seriously the lynchpin of the plan.", "u/OcelotLancelot already covered this [above](https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjf8tkq):\n\n>In March 2018, The Ocean Cleanup published a paper summarizing their findings from the Mega- (2015) and Aerial Expedition (2016). In 2015, the organization crossed the Great Pacific garbage patch with 30 vessels, to make observations and take samples with 652 survey nets. They collected a total of 1.2 million pieces, which they counted and categorized into their respective size classes. In order to also account for the larger, but more rare debris, they also overflew the patch in 2016 with a C-130 Hercules aircraft, equipped with LiDAR sensors. The findings from the two expeditions, found that the patch covers 1.6 million square kilometers with a concentration of 10–100 kilograms per square kilometer. They estimate an 80,000 metric tons in the patch, with 1.8 trillion plastic pieces, out of which 92% of the mass is to be found in objects larger than 0.5 centimeters.", "And what does Victoria do with those recyclables? They usually end up in the dump. All of this stuff, safe for the robots at the exit locations of rivers (which is actually a great idea) is really stupid. \nThey are burning ludicrous amounts of gasoline, to capture a small amount of plastic in return. Doesn't help.", "I hope so", "I’m not sure any of those detection practices can effectively detect microscopic particles.", "1. Is in fact the most important but is so much more complex when there only source of clean water comes in plastic containers they don’t have the infrastructure the even attempt to dispose of them. \n\n2. Of course we will never stop plastic production and of course plastic is an amazingly useful to us, we just need to drastically change how it is used and disposed of globally\n\n3. Yes it would be great to remove the larger pieces before they photo degrade into more micro plastics, but serious reality check if you think surface skimming is really a viable solution.\n\nSo ya I am very critical of people promoting the idea of “cleaning the oceans” with out even addressing the issue of mass production and consumption of single use plastics. So until we address that we are making drop of improvement in an ocean of a problem. So here I am advocating it.", "The majority of this rubbish is from 3rd world countries without public disposal systems", "i never saw the first post, and i appreciate the work they are doing... but i am wondering how effective/efficient this is to have two ships running, where they are collecting trash from about 1/4KM wide area at like 2km/hr? ... i am wondering who is funding them/paying for the fuel/ships/crew etc?", "If only they could make boats that use plastic as fuel. Perpetual trash cleaning machine!", "is this part of teamseas or seperate.\n\nAlso pushing visibility to a great cause teamseas.org", "Well then I guess you'll have to do a massive study of your own and disprove them, because the research available disagrees with your assessment.", "Your math also assumes the garbage patch is constant size, but it's growing. Wikipedia cites an article saying it has grown 10x each decade; I don' t know how accurate that is, but we would definitely want to account for this in our calculation -- cleanup would have to outpace accumulation.", "Dude this effort is laughably insignificant. Even in this video some of the wide shots put into perspective how absurd it is that one instance of this means anything. Of course billionaires should be paying for this instead of them passing the hat, but you're focusing on the wrong outrage. The fact that this PR fuck-fest is essentially the only thing going on this front is the real outrage.", "Wrong.\n\nWe need to make severe financial penalties for companies that lose cargo and dump materials into the ocean. We also need to stop plastics at rivers and waterways before it reaches the ocean.\n\nAll that trash isn't there just because thousands of assholes on the coasts just love throwing trash at the ocean.", "Developing countries have rivers snaking through that they just empty trash into.", "The “research available” does not consist of this one biased company lol and affirms that there is a large amount of micro plastic. It also mostly floats down to the bottom", "The \"garbage patch\" is not a visible island, it's just slightly higher \nconcentration of trash carried by currents into well known gyres. \nThere's so much trash there though that 3 months of this cleanup test \nonly collected 0.15% which is obviously replaced by new trash. It's \ndepressing. 95% of ocean trash is outside these gyres anyway, and so \nmuch microplastic these nets can't catch, and it still misses the mark \nof infinite chinese trash from chinese factories. The problem really is \nwith humanity itself. Effort has to be shifted to the source first, then \n cleanup later.", "You're kinda dumb", "I absolutely agree with that. I still think that overall this is a good project. I believe that in showing how hard it is to collect up just a tiny fraction of what is out there already, and in trying to appreciate how much more is entering the oceans, it does indeed lead to the obvious answer that it needs keeping on land in the first place. \n\nTo the team's credit, they did indeed talk about the rivers where all this shit is coming from and that they have potential solutions and already have prototype systems which do catch the stuff before it reaches the open seas. \n\nI think they do know they are fighting a losing battle in collecting rubbish from the open oceans but it is also helping to visualise the problem and draw greater attention to the problem. So all that together means I appreciate what they are trying to do.", "The whole scraping the ocean of plastic isn't realistic or possible. One could argue it is a huge waste of time and resources. But it is a very effective PR image, which is extremely important to raise funding for more effective approaches (like trapping in rivers before reaching the ocean, something they are doing), keep public discourse focused on the issue, and build political pressure for action around the world.", "You know what does kill a ton of fish and other sea life? All of the plastic floating around in the ocean they are trying to clean up.", ">>They would certainly be safer and more stable if the US had not invaded them, yes. \n>\n>Them who and what is this based on? Explain yourself please.\n\nThe regions, the children, and the fact that before the US got involved their parents were still alive and they weren't being bombed.\n\n>Agree, what is your point though regarding the topic at hand that the US military has led to unrivaled peace and prosperity. \n\nThat it literally hasn't done that? The US has been at war with at least one country every year since the 1950s or so. How is that conducive to \"unrivaled peace\"? The US killed a million people in the middle east. How are the dead liking their \"peace and prosperity\" that the US army brought them? How did Vietnam like the US invasion? Was that war conducive to peace when US soldiers raped children and firebombed villages, and dropped hundreds of millions of bombs on neighboring countries like Laos that weren't even part of the war? Am I meant to believe that massacring entire villages was done in the name of peace? \n\nThe US has demonstrably _not_ been a force for peace in the world, stop kidding yourself.", "No it is not. Most people who don't hang out online (ie, most people ever) have no idea what any of this meme culture stuff is. We are not anywhere close to representing humanity. Online communities, and especially the more vocal ones, are the minority.", "Of course.", "One might say the effort is tainted.", "Seriously. It’s dumb how predictable it is that every time someone does something good for the world you can come to the comments and find a bunch of assholes going on about it doesn’t make a difference. Every single plastic bead taken out of the ocean is better than nothing", "The netting runs at such a slow speed that wildlife can easily evade it, and they do.\n\nThat area is also devoid of plankton due to microplastics from the trash breaking down in the sun. So it will actually begin to restore the ecosystem of that water rather than continue to ruin it.", "False.", "I hate this mentality with my whole heart. To quote bruce almighty- Be the miracle. Stop waiting for \"the bad guy\" to force other \"bad guys\" to do the things you think are right. Most of all, stop convincing other people to do it. The world is messed up and I know what your point is, but doesn't mean we have to watch it go down in flames from the sidelines.", "--some guy on Reddit complaining lol", "The video said that these early runs were a proof of concept to demonstrate viability and scalability. Watch the video next time.", "Your ideas if implemented globally would not only catch and remove FAR more plastic than this, but would also be catching much of it long before it makes this huge journey out to the middle of an ocean, and would thus prevent much of the harm it does along the way. The tricky part would be preventing abuse ie Jim rolling up with tons of plastic in his trunk \"from the ocean\" that isn't.", "teamseas is splitting donations 50/50 between [https://oceanconservancy.org/](https://oceanconservancy.org/) and [https://theoceancleanup.com/](http://theoceancleanup.com/)", "That doesn't look like the solar powered thing we saw in Ted talks", "It much better for the trash to be in a landfill than in the ocean.", "According to National Geographic eight million tons of plastic are dumped or washed into the ocean every year.", "What is that even supposed to mean lol that’s just the fact of the garbage patch. Even this company says that 92% of the pieces of plastic in the patch are micro plastics, while the actual mass of plastic is kindof flipped. But that is also not accounting for the 70% of plastic debris that floats to the bottom of the ocean:\n\nhttps://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/great-pacific-garbage-patch/", "I'm not denying that. The problem is how to clean up the microplastic?", "Beyond even levels of conversation. \n\nI think it's a lack of patience too. Everything has to be a game-winning, G.O.A.T. making, grand slam off your first at-bat, because someone somewhere did something similar once, and caught it on social media. So if you aren't an industry changing success instantly you are a failure", "[Nah.](https://www.popsci.com/environment/shipping-cargo-ocean-pollution/) A major source is container ship mishaps, this can of course be tied directly back to the rampant consumerism that capitalism thrives on and indeed requires.", "If you had 50M to clean this up knowing you don’t offset the new trash thrown out in the next week would you spend money on this or something else?", "Why are there so many of those blue laundry baskets? Weird", "Yeah hopefully this will make a big splash. If it doesn’t though there’s a lot of other fish in the sea so I’m still optimistic. This is a huge task though sort of like draining a lake with a bucket. Any port will do in a storm though I guess. \n\nOk that’s all I got I’m done.", "But if everyone who could afford to gave a single dollar a month we’d be talking about just as massive an impact. Both are important", "$200 for sunglasses\n\nSweet Jesus", "I thought you were joking, holy shit what's the fucking point of cleaning 30 million pounds of trash if it's all replaced by sundown?\n\nIt seems like cutting most of the trash off at the source should be the number one goal.", "I donated my left nut", "I'm just raising awareness that Boyan Slat is better. Now maybe you're aware.", "Does anyone know where or what they do with all the collected trash?", "doesn't seem ignored. they are aware of the issue. this post below is from feb 6 2019...\n\nhttps://theoceancleanup.com/updates/the-ocean-cleanup-and-the-neuston/\n\n\"However, based on the available data, we have not found any evidence that supports the idea that the neuston are at risk because of our efforts in developing technology that can rid the oceans of plastic.\n\nShould you have access to any sources that suggest any negative environmental impacts of our system that we have not considered, or if you have any other concerns on the EIA, please share them with us through EIA@theoceancleanup.com.\"", "Joke.", "Can it reach Washington DC?", "A kidney would make more money. Nobody wants your offspring. 😆", "this make sense to me. I like to see a preventative effort", "Saying what noone wants to hear. Thank you.\n\nThe plastic problem in the ocean mainly stems from a few large rivers in Asia and Africa (mostly China, unsurprisingly). Collecting the waste directly from the rivers, or preventing its dumping in the first place, would be many orders of magnitude more efficient than trying to literally fish it out of the ocean afterwards. It's just silly to do this as long as those rivers are still spewing out trash.", "hope for idealists that think capitalism is sustainable", "They are not cheap... When they break some day (I have kids, so it's going to happen), I have to admit, I will cry.", "One missing comma is all you need before you are helping your uncle Jack off a horse.", ">\tOkay I guess we shouldn’t do anything then!\n\n“[I’m doing my part!](https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677)” -Redditors", "the goal is actually to cut off the source using the same company's automatic systems for rivers that cause most of plastic to end up there in the first place.\nHalf of the funds are going here, while the other half to beach cleanup and similar things. \n\n\nI'm guessing the whole 30 million pounds for 30 million dollars thing is mostly for marketing the fundraiser so more money can be raised.", "Given how slow the boats need to move, I wonder if they could utilize some degree of solar.", "Ocean cleanup shouldn't have clean or fund river-to-ocean pollution tbh. That should be state or country's business to fund that shit. Can't the EPA order something like that? It's already illegal to pollute rivers and oceans, do they fund these types of projects?", "Agree completely, but that’s no reason not to do it. I did look into ocean cleanup and it looks like they have recently been targeting rivers as well which IMO is more important.", "Carbon offsets are just pollution, while also funding green initiatives.\n\nI'd feel a little bit better about this if they used electric ships.", "600 sq miles! Who knows how deep! Good luck", "Donated $5. Let's do it!", "Or, hopefully, not just some other further spot in the ocean.", "Steelhead are okay!", "Proof, or it didn’t happen.", "Oh my god I completely forgot about the period missing at the end of the comment.\n\nThanks!", "The other, and in my opinion more important, part of their effort is there interceptor project. As mentioned in the video, these machines are solar-powered and remove trash from rivers before it makes it out to sea. This is the project they should be working on more", "1. Good on 'em. It needs to be done.\n2. How cost effective is this? If it's not cost effective it won't work long term.\n3. I hope they keep innovating and get a massive contract to continue.", "They shouldn't have to, but we don't live in an ideal world, so good on them for doing it anyways.\n\nAnd the EPA has responsibility for the United States, there's nearly 200 other countries on this planet, and most of the trash that enters the Ocean comes from poorer nations without the infrastructure necessary to properly manage waste.", "Well, without money, nothing gets done. Selling the plastic is an important revenue source for this project. Those ships are expensive", "The fishing industry is responsible for over half the garbage in the patch. The rest is the result of garbage exporting. Basically rich countries who don't want to deal with their trash will load it on to boats and pay poor countries to take it. China used to be a major importer of garbage and to an extent, they had the infrastructure to process it and recycle important metals and plastics. Since they've stopped, all that garbage now goes to poor countries who don't have the infrastructure to sort, let alone store, the garbage. So instead they just dump it into their rivers and flows back out into the ocean.", "Most of the trash comes from 3rd world countries that has absolutely no means to clean it. Most of the people dumping it basically live in a dump. Unless someone goes in there and just takes over all trash duties then it's never going to get fixed.", ">It seems like cutting most of the trash off at the source should be the number one goal.\n\nThey are also doing that", "Tell me you know absolutely nothing about fuel consumption in ships without telling me you know nothing about fuel consumption in ships.", "It's a shallow net (3m deep) and open at the front. Pretty easy to get out, even for dummy fish.", "I knew this was coming: [https://imgur.com/a/H8sxU58](https://imgur.com/a/H8sxU58)", "It will take an energy input. But if you could do that with a carbon neutral power source, you could use that to both get rid of some of the plastic and power the boats in a carbon neutral way", ">The regions,\n\nWhat region?\n\n> the children, \n\nWhat children?\n\n>and the fact that before the US got involved their parents were still alive and they weren't being bombed.\n\nWhat facts is it youre referring to here? Why are you not able to adequately explain what youre talking about.\n\n>That it literally hasn't done that? \n\nIT has though. YOure just ignorantly naïve to the drastic decline in violence around the world weve experienced the last half decade or so. \n\n>The US has been at war with at least one country every year since the 1950s or so.\n\nNo it hasnt. \n\n> How is that conducive to \"unrivaled peace\"?\n\ncause youre making up nonsensical bullshit.\n\n> The US killed a million people in the middle east. \n\nshow me how you came to this amount. \n\n>How are the dead liking their \"peace and prosperity\" that the US army brought them? \n\ndeaths due to military conflicts are at all-time lows in history. YOu literally have no clue what youre even talkinga bout right now.\n\n>How did Vietnam like the US invasion?\n\nor the communist one? I see you literally have no clue what youre talking about and trying to lie about actually history to push a disingenuous anti-US narrative.\n\n> Was that war conducive to peace when US soldiers raped children\n\nAgain, no one has said such things didnt happen but rapping children were a rarity and does nothing to disprove the fact the US despite a very few such incidences has instilled a time of peace and prosperity never before seen in history. Are you trying to argue such crimes werent carried out before by military forces/combatants or is this just a very poor attempt to act as though something that was characteristic of the US?\n\n> and firebombed villages, \n\nthat were strong holds of the communist viet Cong forces. \n\n>and dropped hundreds of millions of bombs on neighboring countries like Laos that weren't even part of the war? \n\nagain, against viet cong forces they were at war with. Why are you just conveniently leaving out taht whole part about it being a war the viet cong chose to fight hiding among the civilians of those regions? Are you not even able to have an honest discussion on the subject and will continuously make BS claim the US was simply bombing villages of people. \n\n>Am I meant to believe that massacring entire villages was done in the name of peace?\n\nWhat entire villages were massacred by US forcers?\n\n>The US has demonstrably not been a force for peace in the world, stop kidding yourself.\n\nStop throwing out BS unfounded and outright dishonest arguments in an attempt to deny the role the US has played the last century in fostering an era of peace and prosperity never before seen in human history. Now at some point you will need to argue this hasnt occurred and substantiate those claims.", "Nice!", "Go watch the team seas video with mark rober. The first world country river system are not the main offenders when it comes to garbage. It's poor nations that literally don't have alternatives to dispose of garbage properly.", "I don't understand the whole proven technology thing. What is it exactly that they've proven? It can come as no surprise that dragging a net after a boat results in you catching stuff with the net.", "In millions of years from now, aliens will be taking core samples. They will find a layer chock full of micro plastics and just roll their eyes.", "You're right. Dollarstores do the same. Forgot about those", "What's the difference between a billion dollars and a million dollars?\n\nAbout a billion dollars...\n\nThe scale of their wealth is unfathomable to most folks. My tax rate is higher than these billionaires and that's backwards AF.\n\nThe tax code was changed to favor billionaires under the premise that it would trickle down. It's trickling all right, but it's mostly piss and acid rain.", "I'd surely hope so. But the scope of the project should be more transparent.\n\nAnd instead of selling sunglasses, I think a giant trash cube structure in the middle of the desert would have a bigger impact on social awareness.\n\nI agree with the idea, but the campaign seems off.", "> Even if the boats were electric the people in it still exhaling CO2...\n\nI lol'd", "It's important to keep in mind that most online spaces are run by the mentally ill. \n\n90% of people on this website don't feel like commenting on anything, ever. The 10% make comments literally every day on everything for validation. \n\nHobby subs are the only good subs.", "Wrong.\n\nMost garbage in the ocean comes from the poorest people on the planet who use the ocean as a dump. Good luck penalizing people who live on a dollar a day.\n\n>All that trash isn't there just because thousands of assholes on the coasts just love throwing trash at the ocean.\n\nYes, actually, it is. They aren't assholes. They just couldn't care less about trash in the ocean when they are starving.\n\nIf you're going to act like a know-it-all, you should know . . something first.", "Okay, well that's not the military's goal so of course it wouldn't be on the military's budget lol. The way they would do that is add to the budget of the EPA instead. Which, they did. They spend millions of dollars on this goal instead of adding such amount to the military or anything else.", "Commercial fishing vessels using it to sort the fish they caught. I understand the need for everyone to reduce and recycle, but I saw a lot of commercial fishing equipment in the trash they pulled out. Most people won't/can't call out commercial fishing because of the money commercial fishing spends to keep their name out of the plastic trash in the ocean, but I saw where about 50 percent of the plastic in the ocean is discarded commercial fishing equipment nets, floats, and other on ship things.", "> countries literally willing to buy the garbage why would you not sell it\n\nThey didn't buy anything, they were paid to take the trash (and then mostly throw it away).", "The point is to get efficient enough with these tools to take out what we throw into the ocean back on a daily basis.", "Remember when this company first came about years ago. Great business!", "I smell bullshit. :/ And it makes me sad.", "What’s the point? Oh man better just say fuck it and not clean up anything! The source is every country on the planet with some worse than others. Also things like navy ships that just shovel they trash directly into the ocean. Or so I’ve been told.", "It's mostly poor countries who don't have garbage management that are trashing rivers, which is where most of this comes from. Poor countries that can't afford to take care of their trash aren't buying 200 dollar sunglasses", "Oh, don't worry. In Baltimore, we just [burn the trash for energy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelabrator_Incinerator)", "I'm gonna try not to be too cynical because like we don't have enough cynicism in the world already but this doesn't seem to do anything for microplastics and more importantly it requires a lot of fossil fuels to move the boats. Global warming is a much more urgent concern, and you can't scale this up without using even more emissions.", "Little Lisa slurry", "He looks like Bighead from Silicon Valley", "Rich is having several million dollars.\n\nAbsurd wealth is having hundreds of billions of dollars.\n\nNo, it's not all that difficult to give money to charity. I do it all the time. Local homeless and womens shelters always need funding and I don't have the money to afford a full time staff to help me decide where to give money.\n\nFood banks need funding. Plenty of kids need help paying for education and thousands of grant programs exist for that already. Environmental non-profits also exist and would love money. Buy 25 million acres of the Amazon, it doesn't seem that hard to think of ideas.\n\nThe fact that their net worth keeps doubling every few years while the rest of Americans stay mostly stagnant is a real problem that won't be addressed by expecting them to be philanthropic.", "I wanted to see what was done but the action movie soundtrack made me close the video, was it good", "And where would this trash go? Under the carpet?", "better than nothing unless taking that bead out of the ocean produces a lot of carbon emissions", "With the contains in the background of the deck shots, they clean up the ocean, then pollute the air by delivering cargo. Amazing.", "One of the two beneficiaries of the fundraiser is The Ocean Cleanup, and they are trying to turn ocean plastic into recycled products for purchase. I'm not sure if they are actually going to be mass manufactures but in a recent video, they wanted to demonstrate proof of concept and have started to sell high end sunglasses as proof. Some of the plastic they collect is just straight recycled and disposed of. \n\nhttps://theoceancleanup.com/from-trash-to-treasure/", "Whiskey tango foxtrot echo echo echo....", "Yes, they can", "Whiskey tango foxtrot echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo....", "I don’t think you realize how huge the oceans on Earth are and how much litter we put into them every day. Even if they collected 5 million pieces a day it still wouldn’t account for everything being added.", "more solar boats complete the cycle", "Except Reddit.", "It seemed like there was a boat in front spraying a bunch of water to get fish out of the incoming nets way but I could be mistaken", "While we address the present and upcoming pollution we also need to fix our past mistakes.", "This is great. My concern is what happens down the line as a private business. Will they dissolve once all the plastic is harvested? I imagine humanity will move away from polluting the ocean with better technology available but how will Ocean Clean Up play a role in a sustainable future? I guess what I'm asking is are they a business now", "Holy shit, that’s within a lifetime. Much better than I was expecting. Granted, that’s in the best case scenario, but it’s totally possible, even with our current technology", "The Mississippi River needs several dozen of these.", "Have you seen how successful team trees was?", "It literally says in the first paragraph this is not a major source of plastic.", "The fact that the entire area is the size of Texas is quite daunting. They definitely should keep trying to automate the cleanup with AI.", "You know that we literally export our trash to these countries so we don't have to deal with it, right? So it's basically still our trash it hardly \"comes from them\". The solution is not going there but the opposite - stop going there and stop producing trash.\n\nhttps://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/29/opinions/by-exporting-trash-rich-countries-put-their-waste-out-of-sight-and-out-of-mind-varkkey/index.html", "They were buying it.", "they = the large corporations intentionally dumping waste into the ocean, and trying to make you personally feel bad about it.", "The net is quite shallow, it has large holes in it and the speed they operate slow enought, so that the fish can outrun the net. They also start shorting the trash in the ship, so they can just throw the fish back into the sea.", "Well after hearing that 5 asian countries account for more plastic entering the ocean than all other countries combined, maybe we should focus our priorities at the source of the problem. I get that the garbage patch is an ugly representation of human destruction of nature, but we should really be stopping the bleeding before we even consider trying to clean up all the blood. The current rate of plastic entering the ocean is about 30 million pounds a year so there is plenty of room for improvement there.", "Right, but you can see how people around the world clearly don't follow that", "I'm here to form a narrative, not to read!", "With context you would understand it, sure, but the sentence reads as if they are thankful they live in Hawaii because they’re sick of the trash washing ashore. How does that make any sense?", "Why can't regular tugboat pull the net? Cargo ships for trash seems strange.", "Based on weight and drag I would bet no way in hell.\n\nI would guess our only really viable green option for ocean shipping is nuclear.", "Would you rather have the trash be buried underground or floating in the ocean? I don't understand what your solution is.", "Yeah, fuck Jeremy", "You're supporting a cause while getting a keepsake for it. You're not just buying some plastic sunglasses.", "Oh, I realize. I also realize this was a small-scale proof of concept.", "And of course, even if he could make a dent, it would be diminishing returns, as the plastic in the patch becomes rarefied due to overfishing.", "They are also cutting it off at the source. The intention seems to be to make it so that nowhere near 44 million makes it to the oceans, so that ocean cleanup isn't a losing battle.", "If only there was a biodegradable packaging or plastic that just rots in the earth after 10-20 years. If only we could put some research into that. Nahhhh.", "Scenario: \n\nNow there's jobs making shoes and military tech. Unemployment is lower and the tech nature of the jobs also leads to an up-skilled workforce that can get better paying jobs, export their skills and with the now higher demand for engineers and other graduate skills there are more people with graduate degrees. The flow on into the aerospace industry and so on also has benefits. \n\nLimiting the economy by hoarding or not spending all your capital and also all that you can borrow means you 'lose out' on the potential 'profits' as well, i remember that from economics.. It's only one element of a theory though and frankly economists make a lot of it up as they go along (not my words lol). \n\nThat's all a best case kind of scenario though, but I think during WW2 the precedent was set and it's been a 'go to' ever since... the War on Terror clearly wouldn't have been profitable for the US compared to not spending the money but economics is insanely complicated and the US financial system isn't exactly 'fair for the US'. \n\nI remember one episode of John Stewart where it was showing how much money was diverted to the military rather than into education which needed it so much more. It was ludicrous to, because they had already filled all of the military budget request in this instance but they still sent them more funding. Then a General (or equivalent) was speaking with Congress and was explaining that the basic numeracy and literacy levels of the high school graduates who were joining the military was so poor that the military was having to spend time educating them on all this stuff which should have been learnt in high school, and they really didn't want to be doing that. \nIt ended with the General actually requesting that some of the funding be used to improve this situation, just like all of the advocates for education had been requesting.. \n\nSo yeah, military and war spending is obviously not the best choice, but I think you can inject a large amounts of money back into the population that otherwise wouldn't have been used. I'm not an expert though, I haven't even started a small war myself\n \nthis was pre-911 i'm almost certain though, things obviously changed after that", "I do too. But unfortunately there are sources of the trash in asia that toss their garbage in the ocean still that will keep the issue going.", "The only thing that scares people more than the end of the world is the idea that to prevent it we might have to slightly tweak capitalism a little. So all environmental action has to be framed as a \"market solution\" to the comprehensive destruction of our biosphere, or nobody will spend a single penny to support it.", "I remember all the naysayers when this first popped up.\n\nAnother thing they are doing is setting up captures at river mouths so the trash doesn't make it out to the ocean in the first place.", "The melt based “Mechanical recycling” is the current most common form for recycling plastic. Advanced or chemical recycling is coming now and will only get better. A lot of Renewable energy is needed to make these operations carbon neutral.", "Who the fuck is talking about plastic straws in Starbucks?", ">Are the lenses even polarized?\n\nFrom the website: \"High-quality polarized lenses. They're the ultimate choice for comfort and protection during your activity of choice. The lenses are category 3 with UV 400 protection and can be switched to prescription sunglasses lenses by your optician.\"", "No reason folks can't do both, is there?\n\nOn things like this I always see someone come in with \"X is inefficient and will never work, the only good solution is Y\" - but like. You can't organise people on that large of a scale to pour resources into one way of tackling a problem, and even if you did I feel like you'd get diminishing returns.\n\nUnfucking our environment involves firing on all viable cylinders, I feel.", "Needs to be something every developed country has a legal duty to contribute to.", "An interesting idea; like a hybrid - maybe use fuel to get your momentum going, and then switch to a renewable source to maintain movementt.", "I vaguely recall a group in Japan (?) looking into turning waste plastic into fuel. It would certainly be a huge improvement.", "I don't think people appreciate the gargantuan nature of this task. When they haul up those nets of plastic and say \"This is 500 pounds of trash\" then that's great. But you'll need to pull up several million nets to start to put a noticeable dent in the amount of trash that's in the garbage patch.", "Awesome", "Well, it buys us time to get our heads out of our asses.", "Sure they can! But i'm also sure a lot of them won't.", "Brits on suicide watch", "looks like you didn't watch the video lol", "My issue with this has always been that our attitude about billionaires and their spending habits has little to no bearing on what they spend it on. They will do what they want with that money whether we like it or not, they'll just be more or less loud about it depending on public opinion. Because we are entirely divorced from the power money like that can project, we are leaving the use of that power up to the choices of a few individuals. We didn't give them that power directly, at best we gave it to them indirectly through business success, and at worst they were born into it. Both I would argue have little to do with us, the average consumer doesn't (and shouldn't have to) think about what the billionaire owner of the service they'd like to purchase is going to spend their power on.\n\nSo it all comes down to this: even if a billionaire had the best of intentions for the world, why should they be the ones deciding what that is? Bill gates does a lot of good, sure, but why does bill gates get to decide how the power his wealth gives him is used when that power was given to him through a non-democratic process and he's largely not even accountable to the public at all? If he abuses his power to, say, I don't know, prevent the release of a life-saving vaccine as open source in favor of it's exclusive manufacturing rights being sold to a company that he's personally invested in, something the public likely would not support, there's no way to hold him accountable for that! What are you going to do, go out and buy a Mac? That'll teach him!\n\nThe very existence of these people is bad for the same reason having kings is bad: it centralizes power in an individual that was not chosen democratically and cannot be held accountable democratically. Plutocrats like gates need to be stripped of their power in every way possible, including wealth redistribution.", "I did and I find it awesome that there's a company out there cleaning plastic crap out of the ocean but I can only imagine the wild life that will get caught in the net along with the garbage. Please don't tell me not a single fish won't get caught in these nets.", "This is so cool, I had no idea this existed.", "Or in the case of the fishing industry everything the boat doesn't want to take back ashore for any reason (hydraulic oil bottles seem to be very common along with damaged fish trays, buoys, any plastic crap the crew are too lazy to bag up etc) gets thrown over.\n\nI find enough 20L hydraulic oil/engine oil plastic containers on the beaches round here that I honestly feel whoever is buying it should be required to sign some sort of register to ensure they bring it back for recycling, it's that common.", "Not a lot but some.", "because it is a made up problem that does not need to be fixed .", "Will never forget contributing $100 the very first time this campaign went live on Kickstarter so many years ago.", "> Even if the boats were electric the people in it still exhaling CO2...\n\nI know you're joking but people/mammales exhaling CO2 doesn't contribute to the climate problem. (Atleast not directly). We have been breathing out CO2 for litteraly millions of years without having it any impact in the warming of the earth.\n\nBecause the carbon you breath out comes from plants or animals, it was already in the [carbon cycle](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Carbon_cycle). With fossil fuels were adding more and more carbon to that cycle that eventually accumulates in the atmosphere (and some in [the oceans](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Ocean_acidification). We're adding carbon to a system and bring it out of balance.", "Go donate!", "Our military is one of the largest polluters on earth.", "Boyan Slat started this company when he was 16 years old. So many comments like \"this isn't enough\", \"they need a bigger fleet to make a difference\"... You should be ecstatic that someone had the vision and the will to bring this to fruition, and has been hard at work on the problem for the past 10 years. They're tackling the problem at the source (rivers) and then doing the tough part (ocean cleanup), because no one has stepped up to the challenge on this entire planet. It's the people that want to be clever and shit on the current scale that are the same people that say \"someone else will take care of it\".", "they are most likely all here jerking off", "Yeah and those are the countries the west likes to send all their “recycled” trash.", "A large portion of the trash in the ocean is there from commercial fishing, can't remember the exact figure but it is a large number.", "they’re selling glasses, and using the money earned to support their cleanup operations", "This is what I want to see more of. Not that tik tok shit.", "Kind of rich of you to call me an asshole when you're the one who made a snarky wise-ass 'joke' towards one of the few people providing sources of expert skepticism, without even reading, or even skimming, the article yourself, while regurgitating your 'opinion' that even you recognize as worthless. And NOW you want a civil discussion? How about you go put the remnants of your education to use and read the damn article. I have no obligation to spoon-feed information to your intellectually lazy ass.", "Whichever boat gets the bigger half of the giant wishbone has 6 months of great fishing", "It _feels_ ethically contaminated to burn fuel when trying to help the planet, but practically it's the smallest drop in the bucket and shouldn't affect people's opinions of this project.\n\nJust look at this live shipping map. The oceans are awash with ships. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-147.5/centery:15.2/zoom:4\n\nIf people want to attack shipping fine, but don't target this little project. Especially if you're buying new gods from China--then you're just a hypocrite.", "Both are important, sure. You won't find me arguing that. However it irritates me when people are like \"But what do they choose to donate to?! They're all so important?!\" ALL OF THEM! THEY CAN DONATE TO ALL OF THEM AND NOT EVEN TOUCH WHAT THEY MAKE IN A SINGLE QUARTER, LET ALONE AN ENTIRE YEAR. That 12 dollars a year in your hypothetical scenario is a larger percentage of your total wealth than what most wealthy people donate as one time donations.", "This is so informative and sent me down a Google rabbit hole of top ocean plastic pollution sources.", "So many people don't realize that climate action always leads to communism. Mao Zedong's first action was ocean cleanup", "Only pic they can take because CGI is not quite good enough yet to make people believe the hoax is real", "the cited article literally states that it’s the recycling businesses in the dev. countries that are at fault, not us", "Exactly, People seem to want* to be outraged about anything and everything. They find one 'flaw' and latch on to it so they can scream and cry, totally disregarding actual reality. 400 jets flying to a summit is literally not even newsworthy. It cant be a zoom meeting, and if people expect our world leaders to hop on a public flight or take the train, they have no clue how security works.", "There aren't even 3 R's anymore. Maybe there used to be. But not anymore. It's too late for that.", "Obviously it's a concern, but there's a lot more fish dying to dumped nets, and being absolutely ravaged by illegal fishing practices, also from ingesting the plastics these guys are trying to clean up. Not trying to throw whataboutisms out there but come on.", "Sort of? This project is still kind of widely criticized. But I think at least it’s something? Can’t let the great be the enemy of the good. \n\nBut this also wasn’t exactly what was pitched. It was supposed to be autonomous and not involving ships or anything, this is a huge downgrade.", ">>The regions,\n>\n>What region?\n>\n>> the children, \n>\n>What children?\n>\n>>and the fact that before the US got involved their parents were still alive and they weren't being bombed.\n>\n>What facts is it youre referring to here? Why are you not able to adequately explain what you're talking about.\n\nYou realise this style of argument just makes you look like a twat, right? You know I'm referring to \"Children in the middle east that the US has orphaned, who wouldn't be orphaned if the US had not done that\", and I and anyone reading this knows _you_ know that.\n\n>>That it literally hasn't done that? \n>\n>IT has though. YOure just ignorantly naïve to the drastic decline in violence around the world weve experienced the last half decade or so. \n\nWowww, half a decade. Please forget the killings of millions of civilians through both direct and covert actions in the decades before that.\n\n\n\n>>How are the dead liking their \"peace and prosperity\" that the US army brought them? \n>\n>deaths due to military conflicts are at all-time lows in history. YOu literally have no clue what youre even talkinga bout right now.\n\nDoesn't matter at all. The wars I've mentioned were unjustified and shouldn't have happened in the first place. The fact that the war happened at all means the US is not conducive to peace, regardless of how much care they took to reduce casualties.\n\n>>How did Vietnam like the US invasion?\n>\n>or the communist one? I see you literally have no clue what youre talking about and trying to lie about actually history to push a disingenuous anti-US narrative.\n>\n>> Was that war conducive to peace when US soldiers raped children\n>\n>Again, no one has said such things didnt happen but rapping children were a rarity and does nothing to disprove the fact the US despite a very few such incidences has instilled a time of peace and prosperity never before seen in history. Are you trying to argue such crimes werent carried out before by military forces/combatants or is this just a very poor attempt to act as though something that was characteristic of the US?\n\nAgain, the war in Vietnam was unjustified and illegal. The US should never have been involved in the first place and therefore their actions there were not conducive to peace.\n\n>> and firebombed villages, \n>\n>that were strong holds of the communist viet Cong forces. \n\n_and?_ firebombing villages of a country _you illegally invaded_ simply to \"stop communism\" is not conducive to peace. You can't start a war on false premises, say \"oh, the enemy is hiding among the civilians, guess we bomb them to bring peace.\" And expect that to be \"bringing peace\". The US started a war it shouldn't have. Regardless of where it's enemy was, these actions were unjustified because they should never have been at war in the first place.\n\n>>and dropped hundreds of millions of bombs on neighboring countries like Laos that weren't even part of the war? \n>\n>again, against viet cong forces they were at war with. Why are you just conveniently leaving out taht whole part about it being a war the viet cong chose to fight hiding among the civilians of those regions? Are you not even able to have an honest discussion on the subject and will continuously make BS claim the US was simply bombing villages of people. \n\nThe US was not at war with Laos and thus absolutely committed war crimes. For just one example, the Geneva Convention Prohibits the indiscriminate attack of civilians, even when military objectives are present in the area. And the bombing of Laos was absolutely indiscriminate, as was the firebombing of Vietnam. \n\nAnd, _again_, regardless of this, the US should not have started the war in the first place. Entering war by it's very nature makes you inconducive to peace. The Vietnam war was unjust and no matter how many Vietcong were in Laos, the US is not absolved of the terror it is responsible for, especially when it should never have been fighting the Vietcong in the first place. The Vietcong didn't \"choose\" to fight a war against the US, the US invaded them and they defended themselves.\n\n\n>>Am I meant to believe that massacring entire villages was done in the name of peace?\n>\n>What entire villages were massacred by US forcers?\n\nMotherfucker have you ever heard about a little thing called the My Lai Massacre? An event that happened _repeatedly_ across Vietnam? \n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726.amp\n\n\"Very quickly the phrase - \"If it's dead and Vietnamese, it's VC\" - became a defining dictum of the war and civilian corpses were regularly tallied as slain enemies or Viet Cong.\"\n\n\"Civilians, including women and children, were killed for running from soldiers or helicopter gunships that had fired warning shots, or being in a village suspected of sheltering Viet Cong.\"\n\n\"an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians were killed, another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.\"\n\n\"Far bloodier operations, like one codenamed Speedy Express, should be remembered as well, but thanks to cover-ups at the highest levels of the US military, few are.\"\n\n\"A whistle-blower in the division wrote to the US Army Chief of Staff William Westmoreland, pleading for an investigation. Artillery called in on villages, he reported, had killed women and children. Helicopter gunships had frightened farmers into running and then cut them down. Troops on the ground had done the same thing.\"\n\n\nDefend this, you disgusting piece of shit. Look upon what your great military has wrought, and tell me that _this_ was needed for peace. Tell me that the Vietnam War was fought to give peace to the region. Tell me that the deaths of two _million_ civilians was conducive to bringing peace to the world. Tell me that the dropping of two hundred million bombs on a neutral country was needed, that it somehow made the world more peaceful. \n\nThe US has repeatedly started wars it has no business being in. Whatever happens in those wars, no matter how many civilians they try not to kill (and history shows us that they don't try very hard), the wars themselves are not conducive to peace. I'm fucking done. Your attitude is one of the worst I've come across on this site.", "I didn't say they were. Read the comments I was replying to.", ">Regulations for the Prevention of Pollution by Oil\n\nIn no way, shape, or form related to the topic.\n\nKeep trying.", "This is for once a video I actually wish was a 10-20 second TikTok showing me what I wanted to see (Timelapse of that net doing it’s thing) rather than what I got (YouTube of vox style explaination with no showy)", "Yeah you are absolutely correct, but there's still already trash in the ocean that needs to be cleaned too.", "This video warms my heart and I'm a huge fan of people trying to make a difference in this world.", "I cannot believe how this improves my life to know this is happening.", "Brilliant..brings some faith back in humanity.", "I use a refillable water bottle and recycle but it starts to feel a little pointless when companies waste tons of plastic daily and dump millions of gallons of oil in the ocean", "This is the only large scale viable solution.", "Not to be pedantic, but there's a very large amount of room between \"massive results\" and \"results\".\n\nSomething can produce results but they are not automatically meaningful. Is 9000 kg per haul meaningful?\n\nedit: why can't you take things at face value?", "My man somehow thinks \"US Military bad\" is the view of sheep and that he's the free thinker defending them. The US is a nationalist military state where questioning the motivations of the military is considered a moral fault by the majority of people. That may not be the case on Reddit specifically, but it is certainly the case out in the real world.", "Looks like they’re still looking for volunteers", "Would they work on spawning on rivers?", "Jeff bezos' wealth increases by 14 million dollars every hour", "I saw a story about this floating garbage dump years ago. I never could figure out why something like this wasn’t done sooner.", "Per this article and the 2015 journal article it summarizes, 20% of the pollution comes from the ocean vessels, 80% from rivers (especially rivers in puberty stricken areas with no garbage services). Previous studies claimed 8-10 rivers were the source of as much as 60% (one study) to 90% of ocean plastics. This 2015 article showed that the top 10 river polluters were the source of only 18% of the ocean plastics and there are roughly 1600 rivers worldwide that are the source of the majority.\n\nSummary article:\nhttps://ourworldindata.org/ocean-plastics\n\nStudy article:\nMore than 1000 rivers account for 80% of global riverine plastic emissions into the ocean\nhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz5803\n\nEdit: Supposed to be poverty. Ahhh good ol spell correct. Think I'll just leave that one as is. My phone doesn't seem to have the word poverty in it's dictionary... Sigh.", "I have. \nThe Ocean project tries to \"educate\" the poor why they shouldn't pollute, but that doesn't solve those structural issues.\n\nI just think it's silly to see two giant ships dredging the endlessly large ocean. They are just blasting gas into the atmosphere for this tokenism.\n\nIt's visually powerful, but functionally does nothing.", "Typical redditor response. \"If you're not with us, you're against us\"\n\nwait, where have I heard this before?", "The article does not state that 'literally' at all. The word fault appears only once and that too in a question not a statement.\n\nUS sending its waste to 3rd world countries, opting out of Geneva pact and literally producing most waste in the world is what should bother you right now. \n\nOcean dumping happens in all countries right now and it needs to be stopped.", "This is so awesome but we should just cut the bullshit and stop it at the source. 90% of ocean plastic comes from 10 rivers and about half of that is from the Yangtze.", "Boyan Slat sounds like onomatopoeia for vomiting", "Thanks for your thoughtful comment! I think you bring up a lot of good points. \n\nOne counter point I have is around the hoarding of capital. \nIn our current system, most capital is not held in the form of cash or gold sitting in a bank. \nUsually it’s in the form of stocks, bonds, real estate, or other assets which make that capital available to the market. \n\nI still hold the ability to sell my Tesla stock, but while I have that stock, Tesla can use that capital. \nI own a house that I rent, but that house is not sitting empty. Someone is getting value from it. \n\nIf I have $10B in cash, it’s not doing any work in the market (aside from the resulting deflationary effects). \n\nAs a result, when the state pulls that capital out of the market for its own arbitrary (arbitrary meaning: chosen by bureaucrats, rather than collective market choices) purposes, it inevitably removes value from somewhere existing.", "Somewhat comically timed, but in the harbour where this press conference video took place, there were 109 cargo containers that went overboard last week\n\nhttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ship-that-lost-109-containers-near-victoria-is-now-stable-says/", "Hopefully Japan is a part of the cleanup", "They then dump the trash straight into the ocean to save it a trip.\n\n\n/s", "It’s good PR that’s the point.", "Ocean Cleanup usually recieves funding from cities and the EU to do this.", "that's not the impression i got from their comment. it's important to note that this doesn't fix the problem because otherwise people get complacent and keep using plastic so haphazardly. Most people accept it as a normal part of life and it's easy to think you don't need to worry about it because a boat will clean it all up.", "The King can't sell all his gold, think of the gold markets! Really love that peasant life huh?", "> Cheap single use plastic isn't something the US is known for being a big exporter or producer of\n\nyou're kidding. Go into literally any store and every shelf you look at is loaded with single-use plastic containers for items. Maybe it's made in china but it's made for americans. american companies use so much plastic it's crazy", "Gotta do both.", "The amount recovered was roughly what would fit in a standard garbage truck. Somehow this is a success? The amount of fuel needed to pull this off is insane. Purchasing carbon credits isn’t a viable mitigating option.", "Thank you! , donated", "Newsflash: The majority of ocean trash doesn’t come from the western world.\n\nBut now we don’t have straws, so we’re ‘safe’.", "Donated, thanks", "What the fuck are you doing to solve the problem? \nThis kid had an idea and managed to gather people and funding to do the research, try different approaches, test them out and improve on them. Is it perfect? Not yet. it is better than not doing anything, sitting on your couch and nitpicking? A million times! \nThere‘s never been a perfect solution to any problem on the first try, but somebody had to start somewhere. \nIs that somebody you? Of course not..", ">It’s already fucked. We all have micro plastics in our bodies at this very second.\n\nMore microplastics = more fucked. Less microplastics = less fucked. So it's still worth it to clean up the garbage patches (there's five of them btw).\n\nJesus, this type of black-and-white thinking has got to stop.", "I just stopped buying Powerade bottles and instead just buy the powder. Much less plastic, easier to buy cuz no water weight. More dishwashing but it's worth. Took me a year to realize this lol", "This is great, but I think people really need to get some perspective when they see \"9000kg of plastic removed from the ocean!\"\n\nThat's 9 tons. 12.7 *million* tons of plastic enter the ocean each year.", "Would a return to natural fiber net materials be a better option so they can at least degrade instead of being permanent plastics in the environment? I know they won’t solve the tangled wildlife issue but if fishing has to happen it would seem reasonable to use them. It would probably be even better if the cost of the nets needing replaced more frequently could be equal to or less than the cost of the natural fiber nets.", "Cf4", "I wasn’t disagreeing with him. The way he presented though made it sound like we haven’t been exposed yet when in reality we’ve been here for a while. I just was trying to make people aware of how bad it already is and how at this point we’re just trying to prevent worst case scenario", "Depends on the contents. Addressing the root cause rather than treating the symptoms (to me at least) would be to require stricter standards for how the containers are secured to the ship. It’s bizarre that we accept this crazy amount of container losses each year.", "I read it was sued for killing millions of ocean life being caught up with trash..", "The problem with focusing so much on reduce is that people can't just reduce things like getting enough to eat. Lobbying for decades had positioned consumers as the source of plastic waste rather than the companies packaging necessities in plastic.", "Plastic Bag in the Sea!", "Its a good thing you have a better solution then!", "Stop. Just stop. You had me at recycled sunglasses fundraiser.", "Yeah that's why i'm 99% certain that fort Knox is largely empty. It's not even that large a conspiracy theory, if you go to Canada they show you their bullion reserve is empty because it's much better to sell/use it (well whatever is done with gold) \n\nI don't think that the American public would be able to deal with that however, A huge number of them seem to think that the 'Gold Standard' should still be used. One thing I also remember from economics is that the US was one of the last countries in the world to abandon the gold standard in the 20's or 30's … It's one of the reasons the country took such a long time to recover from the great depression...", "There are still countries just dumping trash in the rivers and oceans. Until that stops, spending 100x to pull it out of the ocean is a drop in the bucket", "Got that reservoir tip", "Why are you being so aggressive? I'm just making a point.\n\nIt doesn't matter what I'm doing. You don't even know who I am. What if I told you that I was the CEO of a major green energy firm? I'm not, but the point is you can't just shout at people like you do without context.\n\nI'm just asking practical questions here. A question that he has to be asking himself as well.\n\n>There‘s never been a perfect solution to any problem on the first try, but somebody had to start somewhere.\n\nAnd you refine your solutions by figuring out how effective you really are. I don't know why you can't take my comment at face value.\n\n\"Is 9000 kg per haul meaningful?\"\n\nI don't know. I know that there's approximately 80 million kilos of trash in the pacific garbage patch but that's only one data point. I don't know how much time it takes to get that haul, how much fuel they use, or what percentage of the plastic is actually recyclable. When I ask my question, I'm actually asking that question. Is 9000 kg per haul meaningful? I'm not being rhetorical.", ">You realise this style of argument just makes you look like a twat, right?\n\nSorry you hate having all your BS pointed out.\n\n> You know I'm referring to \"Children in the middle east that the US has orphaned, \n\nbuy would have been orphaned by the countless terrorist organizations there that carry out human rights violations, torture and murder. What is it the US did? Are you referring to fighting terrorist organizations that kill, imprison, rape and murder them and their parents?\n\n>Wowww, half a decade. Please forget the killings of millions of civilians through both direct and covert actions in the decades before that.\n\nAgain, how did you determine millions of civillians? Substantiate your claims!\n\n>Doesn't matter at all. The wars I've mentioned were unjustified and shouldn't have happened in the first place.\n\nWhat wars were those and how did you determine they were unjustifed? Again, support your argument!\n\n> The fact that the war happened at all means the US is not conducive to peace, regardless of how much care they took to reduce casualties.\n\nHow is that a fact? IF the US retaliates against an attack against it or its adversaries are you literally arguing its then the US's fault? \n\n>Again, the war in Vietnam was unjustified and illegal. \n\nHow do you determine if a war is legal or illegal? What does this even mean or do you not even realize how stupid that sounds? \n\n>The US should never have been involved in the first place and therefore their actions there were not conducive to peace.\n\nWhy should they have not been involved in the first place? Should the communist not have been involved as well or is that different? You come off as not havning any clue what the vietman war was even about.\n\n>and? firebombing villages of a country you illegally invaded simply to \"stop communism\" is not conducive to peace. \n\nis communist forces seizing those villages and imprisoning the people peaceful? \n\nagain, what village did the US firebomb? why cant you substantiate what it is your talking about?\n\n>You can't start a war on false premises,\n\nwhat was the false premise? Again, support your argument!\n\n> say \"oh, the enemy is hiding among the civilians, guess we bomb them to bring peace.\" \n\nso, all a military force needs to do is invade a country inprison its citizens and there is nothing the rest of the world should do about it? Lets just give in to this forces that will hide behid civilians like that huh? If we just ignore the evil of men it will just go away? How did that work out for Europe and hitler?", "And expect that to be \"bringing peace\". The US started a war it shouldn't have. \r \nWhat war did the US start?\r \nRegardless of where it's enemy was, these actions were unjustified because they should never have been at war in the first place.\r \nbut the communist invading south vietnam was ok huh?\r \nand dropped hundreds of millions of bombs on neighboring countries like Laos that weren't even part of the war?\r \nThey dropped bombs on communist encampments and outposts. They didnt bomb neighborhoods. But Im sure if that sas the case you would provide evidence of it. \r \nThe US was not at war with Laos and thus absolutely committed war crimes.\r \nby bombing communist forces that invaded vietnam?\r \n \r \nShow me what bombings you are referring to that was an attack on civilians and not military targets. And no the Geneva Convention doesnt prohibit that. The Geneva Convention accord requires precautions to be taken to minimize civilian casualties at all cost. Not to mention the Geneva Convention prohibits military forces for from using civilains as cover for their operations and staging attacks. I guess youre just going to gloss over all that in this pathetic anti-US rant huh?\r \nAnd, again, regardless of this, the US should not have started the war in the first place. \r \nThe communist invaded south vietman you idiot!\r \nEntering war by it's very nature makes you inconducive to peace.\r \nsee above.\r \n The Vietnam war was unjust and no matter how many Vietcong were in Laos, the US is not absolved of the terror it is responsible for, \r \nSo, youre literally arguing communist forces should be allowed to invade countires, stage attacks against the US and allies but if the US retaliates they are the bad guys and at fault. Strong logic there \r \nespecially when it should never have been fighting the Vietcong in the first place. \r \nWhy should they have not been fighting them in the first place?\r \nThe Vietcong didn't \"choose\" to fight a war against the US, the US invaded them and they defended themselves.\r \nthey invaded south vietnam you idiot!\r \nAm I meant to believe that massacring entire villages was done in the name of peace?What entire villages were massacred by US forcers?\r \nWhat entire villages were massacred? Why have you not yet supported this claim?\r \nMotherfucker have you ever heard about a little thing called the My Lai Massacre? An event that happened repeatedly across Vietnam?\r \nI do and it was horrific but youre trying to argue this was a commonality and have claimed it happened to countless villages. \r \n\r \n\"an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians were killed, another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.\"\r \nleaving out a key part that a majority of those deaths were at the hand of the communist forces that invaded Vietnam. An overwhelming majority of those refugees became US citizens. \r \nDefend this, you disgusting piece of shit.\r \nHow did I defend it? Be specific cause I can point out where I specifically condemned such actions. \r \n Look upon what your great military has wrought, and tell me that this was needed for peace. \r \nyes, as already pointed out above\r \nTell me that the Vietnam War was fought to give peace to the region. \r \nyes, from the invading communist forces you idiot.\r \nTell me that the deaths of two million civilians was conducive to bringing peace to the world. Tell me that the dropping of two hundred million bombs on a neutral country was needed.\r \nDeaths as a result of communist forces invading vietnam and using civilians as cover to conduct operations. \r \nThe US has repeatedly started wars it has no business being in. \r \nwhat wars have they started?\r \nWhatever happens in those wars, no matter how many civilians they try not to kill (and history shows us that they don't try very hard), \r \nwhat history shows this? Please support your arguments\r \nthe wars themselves are not conducive to peace.\r \nwar never is but allowing communist forces to invade and enslave entire countries and not be held responsible in no way is conducive to peace. There will always be evil in the world that has no regard for human life and those forces will unfortanantly need to be met head on and prevented from continuing such evils. I know you live in this fantasy world where you thing all evil in the world is a result of US intervention and the US should simply turn its cheek to such violence but that is not how the world works and would not produce the results we have seen tha last century of peace and prosperity if we alowed such evil to go unchecked.\r \n I'm fucking done. Your attitude is one of the worst I've come across on this sub.\r \nAnd youre wiling to make excuses and turn a blind eye to the billions of people killed by evil regimes throughout history if it provides you an opportunity to bitch about the US", "They themselves donated actually, but they can raise more quicker if they have everyone donate", "Again, something is better than nothing. Would you rather that absolutely nothing be done until we come up with the perfect and most comprehensive solution?", "We then ship that trash to china and they put it right back into the ocean.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjgfrqs/", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjgfrqs/", "Cool concept, weird sell. Boyan Slats needs a haircut and this cnet fella is def workin from home cuz homeboy is slurring like a drunk lol", "> It's been shown before that's it's not very efficient at all. \n\nYSK the Ocean Cleanup just re-designed their entire cleanup system (again) to fix this very issue.\n\nPresentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_10gmQhPw\n\nQA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ANxrv_R7Q\n\nTL;DW they went from needing 150 systems to clean up the Great Pacific Garbage Patch down to only 10.", "Some billionaire needs to fund more of these in other countries. I was in Sao Paulo, Brazil a few years ago and could not believe how much floating trash was in the rivers there.", "This almost completes me. We’re actually and finally doing something that’s not only beneficial to us, but also the beautiful life and ecosystems of the world. Finally.", "Propaganda", "The US militarys budget is over 700 billion", "Don't worry, 93% of all statistics are made up on the spot like that. :D", "Awesome.", "the problem isn’t that not enough of us are spending 20 minutes sorting all our recycling each week. The problem is single use disposable nonbiodegradable plastic being artificially cheaper than living sustainably. You know when you go to a clothing store and everything is on a plastic hanger that you get to keep when you buy the garment? Millions and millions of those idiotic hangers get made every year because the executives calculated that it’s cheaper to ship their clothes pre-hung on them than to pay hourly workers in the retail stores to hang the garments on reusable hangers themselves \n\nThis is a capitalism problem on a global scale and we need to start imagining how we can dramatically reshape the way our government and economy works if we want a chance of ever fixing this", "Love this, but making more plastic items seems to be recycling the problem. \n\nAren’t people going to be just as careless with their new plastic items \n\nNext generation of floating plastic will be recycled plastic but still plastic", "It most definitely can be scaled up to have a serious impact. The majority of trash comes from a small amount of rivers. Placing these strategically can remove the bulk of trash entering the ocean. Cleaning up the trash already in the water, sure, that's still a challenge. But that trash is also isolated to a few large currents for the most part.", "Every time someone points this out a bunch of morons get really mad, and say things like “oh so I guess we shouldn’t try to reduce our carbon footprint at all then huh?!” Just totally unable to grasp how much higher this problem reaches than the individual consumer", "Another example of the Metal Gear Solid games being strangely prophetic.", "When you put your recycling in the blue bin it goes to a plant where it gets loaded on a barge and sold to China, and then they throw it all in the ocean :)", "Doesn't it use more fuel and resources to ship the plastic pellets all the way to Italy to make the glasses? Why not just manufacture them in the USA?\n\nThe answer can't be cheap labour, otherwise wouldn't they ship to China?", "I've lived with roommates who legitimately throw most of their cheap household goods out when they move. I've gotten into heated discussions where I was chastised for not \"moving/living light\" - basically that I don't throw my useable shit away. I pointed out that you can always donate stuff that you're sure you're not going to use again, but they made it seem like that would be a huuuuge time sink.", "That's not fixing the problem.", "You're absolutely right!\n\nI say we all follow your example and do nothing.", "Many times more cost effective to not dispose of plastic into the ocean in the first place. \n\nEvery year USA disposes of 121,000 tons of plastic into the ocean and China 3.5 million tons of plastic into the ocean. The total is 8m tons of plastic into the ocean every year.\n\nThese kind of stories are not helpful and the systems are being promoted by the plastic manufacturers in an effort to allow them to keep polluting.", "The fuel needed to pull this off is not insane. They are far from the largest ships in the ocean and in the grand scheme of all the shipping, fishing, and recreational sea fairing vessels their boat’s fuel consumption is a drop in the bucket. However, their contribution to removing toxins from the ocean environment is unmatched. They are making a difference, even if it’s small. Again, something is better than nothing.", "Yes, but no such products exist. The big advantage of plastic is that it is very strong, flexible, light weight, and cheap. Most sustainable alternatives fail on one or more of those metrics.", "then why aren't you talking about the interceptor part? it addresses exactly what you're talking about.", "I love you, Jenny", "The article speaks of shared responsibilites which is far stretch from them being at fault. \n\nBut honestly, that entire argument doesn't matter anyway. Why? Because the blame game is not even close to what we discuss here. Obviously there are shit corrupt businesses in developing countries and obviously the US couldn't export their trash if they hadn't accomplices within the importing countries. But that doesn't change the fact that (i) on either side only some actors are responsible, (ii) even if they were soley to blame, that wouldn't detract anything from the original point that the trash does not 'come from them', because no matter who we blame here, they just don't produce the waste. We do. And (iii), it doesn't change the fact that we have the leverage to actually enact change. \n\nI mean, no matter where it is dumped, it is us who - literally - produce the problem, namely the trash. So 'going over and taking over trash duties' doesn't fix shit, that is just a wrong and frankly uninformed take. Our global 'trash duty' is avoding it in the first place, and when it comes to that, those developing countries are far better than we are, no matter where our trash ends up. So maybe we should just stop pointing fingers.", "> It's important to keep in mind that most online spaces are run by the mentally ill. \n\nAs mentioned above:\n\n> Redditors are mostly people who say negative things so they can feel smart on the internet.", "Ever heard of a tsunami?", "I wasn't endorsing any particular charity. I was pointing out that it's not a \"youth\" thing to use influential people to spread a message or sell something.\n\nThat being said, you're right that everyone should take some time to learn how your charitable donations flow. Some charities are not as good as others at moving that money forward.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjf4n3u/", "Going to go clean my street and storm drain now. Nip the source.", "Yeah let's not blame politicians, who literally create our budgets, but instead blame the profit incentive that has lifted billions out of poverty.", "I agree with you but I won’t be holding my breath waiting for a better solution. I’ll just send a few bucks in the meantime, you know?", "The Goal of the Ocean Cleanup is to not need the ocean cleanup. They are doing great work to identify the major failure points in coastal communities and working with local authorities to address the issues and correct them.", "There's also the Lego beach.\n\nhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28367198", "Holy fucking run-on sentence.", "My 8th grade scienc teacher told our class that one day someone would decide to capitalize on the idea of seeing landfills as resource centers. That entrepreneurs would go through waste band harvest raw materials and reuse or recycle then", "Why is it that I think this is all going back into a landfill and out to the ocean to start the cycle again?", "Yeah, but we still have to collect what is already out there, and someone is doing something about _that_ at least.\n\nIf you watched the story, he's also putting interceptors into rivers, so he's working back upstream. And yes, he does know/comment that prevention is 100x better, but again, there IS a mess and it DOES need to be cleaned up.\n\nThese kinds of nay-saying comments are promoted by pessimists that can't see _anything_ positive and want to collectively drown us all with their apathy and misery.", "The simplicity should be a lesson for all of us. How simple would it be to just throw the trash in the bin.", "They answered your question in the video. They want to sell the beaded plastic to manufacturers so that manufacturers can make products out of it. They want to focus on the problem and hopefully sell the byproduct to fund the cleanup. Sunglasses were proof of concept that you can manufacturer sellable goods with their recycled plastic.", "It's not meant to be a solution.\n\nB/c it doesn't provide a solution it's not worth pursuing? At least there is that much less plastic out there? What are _you_ doing about it?", "It's 2021 making ignorant, pessimistic statements is secondary to actually watching the fucking video.", "I thought Solid 2 nailed it with the information-explosion. We're seeing that play out today with disinformation, which, if looked at through the prism of \"accuracy brings one closer to 'truth'\", is analogous to noise.", "Technology doesn’t usually start out super efficient but it gets there through trial and error. It’s the beginning of a long term project. It’s not gonna get solved quickly.", "> esp in the US\n\nLol, what an incredibly naïve and skewed perspective you have. In general, the vast majority of single use plastics in the US end up in the landfill, where they belong. Most of the plastic in the ocean is coming from third world countries where people literally dispose of their trash in the river.", "one perfectly fine plastic flip-flop that I used to own floats somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea. when I was a kid I ran onto the beach with my flip-flops on and a wave hit and one of them was gone :( sorry", "Well when you invent one big enough to do what they’re doing then I’m sure they’ll be happy to do that instead of the offsets.", "1% of Rivers are responsible for 80% of the plastics in the ocean. Ocean Clean up also knows this and has concepts and fleets deployed at these at fault rivers. The first step is getting what can be out and their next goal is micro-plastic collecting technology. They deserve the praise, they at least understand all the contributing factors and are figuring how to stop it.", "Or, focus on things that matter rather than waste effort pointlessly? Like reducing waste and consumption. If alllll the time and money that went into this little feel-good project was put into reducing waste and consumption, it would do 10x as good.\n\n\nDon't be part of the problem with misconstrued support.", "The cost of doing so wouldn't be worth it. You have to develop machinery ($), make machinery ($) hire people ($) and then find a purchaser on the other end ($). China used to take the US's unrecyclable plastic and send them on empty chinese ships back to China and then the children would sort through and they'd squeeze out a tiny bit of profit. Fast forward 10-15 years and the cancer and pollution took and effect and China noped out of trading live for a few pennies.", "People were shitting on the original idea, because the original was just not good enough.\n\nEven in this video, they explain how the first one failed so they had to invent a second system.\n\nGuess people were right.", "Except we’re not talking about gold here, and the “King” is not the one who will get hurt. Your original premise was “use the money for betterment” but now you’re saying “well who cares about the markets and if the money loses its value”. These are not congruent with each other. \n\nThe majority of working Americans with some kind of retirement account have most of their savings in the same markets. \n\nThe thing you’re advocating for would financially decimate average working Americans who participate in the same markets, and remove or severely set back any chance they have of retirement. \n\nI’d encourage you to spend some time learning/understanding how the markets work.\n\nTo be clear, I’m a bleeding heart liberal who believes the rich should be properly taxed, but I’m certainly not in favor of fucking over the average person in the process.", "22,000 tons of plastic are disposed into the ocean EVERY DAY. Ending this practice is what should be the focus, not capturing the plastic once disposed of in a river and hauling it back to shore which is probably hundreds of times less cost effective. These efforts are are a diversion and a waste of valuable time and resources and will result in the oceans being more polluted not less.\n\n\nhttps://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/07/plastic-pellets-nurdles-pollute-oceans/593317/", "People/animals breathing doesn't cause climate change, but methane from cattle is actually a huge issue: https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/making-cattle-more-sustainable", "\"It gets turned into pellets and then into recycled goods\"\n\nCool, so, it'll be back in the ocean soon.", "This. I just got my immediate fams Xmas present and helped clean up the ocean a bit.", "What's the issue with plastic in the ocean? What's the cost to marine life, CO2 or maybe other issues I'm not aware of? How does that trade-off with the cost of this project at current and projected efficiency, cost per tonne? How does this compare to other solutions that also improve marine conditions etc? I know it's just a media piece but feels like it contains very little useful information.", "Inspiring. I remember when the ocean cleanup was still an unrealized concept, and I’m ecstatic to see that it actually came to fruition.", "There's a lot of poor places that don't have trash bins or rubbish services whatsoever.", "Here’s a video that explains the latest fundraiser campaign \nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/TheOceanCleanup/comments/qil79a/this_robot_eats_trash_teamseas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf", "Exactly, turning existing plastic waste into sunglasses is just delaying them turning into waste again, at the cost of energy and co2", "A moving asshole is cause for concern.", "I was hoping to purchase a pair or two of sunglasses, both to contribute to the cause, and the glasses would be a novel gift this season.\n\nSadly, at $200 per pair, it's a bit much.", "Agreed and acknowledged that prevention is worth much more than a cure; the battle never fought is the surest path to victory. Cleanup expressly acknowledges this.\n\nBut that idealism ignores the idea that trash is already there in the oceans and as such still has to be dealt with. Even if all the pollution-streams just stopped today, what's extant in the world is still an issue to be resolved.\n\nSo b/c _you_ feel that others might look at the cleanup as the-solution, that b/c we cannot implement your perfect-solution, you would have us do nothing? I never suggested, nor did Cleanup, that the tech displayed is the-solution, only something more that we can be doing vs nothing.\n\nAGREED we should stop putting trash into the waters to begin with, but to do nothing at all is defeatist.\n\nTake the damn win, dummy, and then focus on what's left over. You're a poster-child for analysis-paralysis.", "Youve pretty much summed up the central theme of MGS. It's why 90% of players walk away from mgs5 believing a fake explanation.", "Never trust a guy with a corporate combover or a ceo wearing a hoodie.", "Quite literally a C net", "“oh so I guess we shouldn’t try to reduce our carbon footprint at all then huh?!”", "“Well. Since we might kill a fish, let’s just leave the giant, not biodegradable, growing trash pile in the ocean.”\n\nThere guys. Solved it!", "The patch is the dense part, easy to clean, still billions of pieces just mixed into the water.", "I was thinking the same thing. How long till they start finding their own recycled sunglasses in the middle of the ocean?", "> However had someone cleaned up the big pieces 20 years ago we wouldn't have the microplastics.\n\nIt’s unknown what proportion of the microplastics in the environment actually come from the decomposition of macroplastics (“secondary microplastics”). But it’s known that a huge and potentially larger chunk of microplastics come from degradation of car tires, clothes washing, and “city dust” (“primary microplastics”). [Here’s a good paper on it](https://portals.iucn.org/library/sites/library/files/documents/2017-002-En.pdf). The garbage patch is an important issue in its own right, but microplastics is a bigger problem we need to tackle on different fronts as well.", "Can we talk about how the CEOs name is Bouyant's Lad?", "They're finally cleaning up Britain?", "Wouldn’t it be dumb to clean it all up, only for people to keep on dumping garbage there?", "I suspect most have the same mindset I do. Which is that while yes, corporations are the major issue and should be held accountable, people can still avoid one time use plastics. If 100 people who normally consume one time use water bottles (for sake of argument each drinks 2 water bottles a day), switch to a reusable water bottle, that's 200 bottles a day, 1400 a week, removed from the cycle. Obviously the numbers here can start to pile up. I'm not letting companies off the hook, but everyone can do something to move towards those better standards.", "250,000 tons of raw plastic enters the ocean every year from only a handful of sources. These corporations receive only modest fines if any at all. Meanwhile this same industry responsible for this promotes these ridicules cleanup schemes. Why? So they can keep on polluting.", "I wonder what rivers they are", "That's the Atlantic garbage patch.", "They’re fighting right to repair because it will force them to share their IP. Apple has a repair program already.", "Clearly I remember picking on the boy. He seemed a harmless little fuck.", "My God... you must not be reading comprehensible. It's no wonder why you think this is a good idea. You've got no idea what the marpol regulations are. \n\nPlease scroll down to see annex V\n\nThere are 6 annexes \n\nI Oil pollution\n\nII noxious liquids \n\nIII harmful substances in packaged forms \n\nIV sewage \n\nV garbage including plastic\n\nVI air pollution", "millions of dollars over the EPAs lifetime versus close to a trillion in military spending every year. good job america 👍", "faciante el oceano", "The problem reaches much higher than the individual consumer", "Lmao OK only been working on them since 2007. But I don't know how much fuel will be consumed going from either Hawaii, or a west coast port to the garbage patch and back. Right. \n\nOk, how much do you think these three ships, minimum, will use? Because you need two at either end and the one to put all the plastic on", "All that effort to reclaim the plastic to make another useless item that's going to end up in the ocean again.", "Yea...This seems like a bad idea. I mean, I'm all for ocean clean up, but don't redistribute the trash again", "You gotta have a set the size of bowling balls to actually think you can make money collecting ocean garbage.", "The ROI is horrid. The money would be better spent in other areas. \n\nYour argument is basically saying because everyone else does it, it’s negligible that they do it too. Using that same logic, the amount that they remove is negligible as a garbage truck’s dump load enters the ocean every minute. That’s like trying to plug the Mississippi River with a wine cork. \n\nThat money would be better spent improving sanitation in developing countries, reducing their inputs into the ocean at the point source. But this method doesn’t garner all the press that a floating rig does, even though it’ll be more efficient.\n\nETA: One of many better solutions is the one right above this edit, since comments are answered by that. Boyan freely admits this is a high risk strategy, meaning he could be risking all the donated funds on a solution that has a high risk of failure.\n\nAnd for what it’s worth, I have degrees in marine biology.", "If bullets are flying, then yes. Yes, a good doctor wouldn’t bother with the first hole if they are in danger of more holes being made. They get themselves and the patient to safety first. \n\nI imagine you as a doctor sewing up a bullet hole while your patient keeps getting shot in the head. AWESOME.", "This is the third best way to keep the ocean clean. The second best way is not to reproduce. The absolute best way is to die as quickly as possible.", "And I've been a marine engineer since 2000. Your ideas about bunker consumption are way off the mark and if you actually were a seafarer, you'd know that.", "I presume the calmness of this region is precisely why the garbage has concentrated there, correct?", "I know you meant to say poverty, but that typo is just… chef’s kiss", "I like that this video is from CNET and it's about a sea net.", "It will happen. Absolutely. Look at remining.\nWe’ll have technology eventually that perhaps out of desperation we’ll start applying to extract rare and precious metals. The concentrations in dumps are enormous, we’re just too dumb to make it work, and extract cleanly at the moment.", "While that is true in our current stage, it doesn’t always have to be.", "There needs to be regulations on plastic. It's extremely useful in the private sector for things like computer parts, medical devices, vehicles. The continued use for commercial use in the consumer market is ridiculous. Look at that pile, it's dumb shit like laundry baskets and whatnot. Absolutely bonkers.\n\nThe cleanup is going to have to start with heavy regulations, company makes a bunch of plastic shit? Tax the fuck out of them until they find alternatives and start showing they can be responsible. They don't pay taxes otherwise or heavily reduced rates, get the money from another angle. This shit is outlandish beyond understanding. They should be responsible for their output. \n\nNow it's other people's problem to clean up the disaster of consumerism. This world is beautiful and can be better. People are shit.", ">we just need to drastically change how it is used and disposed of globally\n\nIs that all? Can we get on the phone with the UN? Should be able to get all nations on Earth on board with this pretty easily.\n\nIn the meantime, is it necessary to shit all over someone who is actually doing something?\n\nThere is a point in the video where Boyan is showing off a particular haul and claims of they were to bring in 3,000 more similarly sized hauls, it would essentially clean up the great garbage patch. It is a lot, but seems feasible especially with plans to scale up. If not entirely, it at least makes a difference. Are you saying he is lying about that figure?\n\n>So here I am advocating it.\n\nThere is maybe some alternate universe where your advocating in Reddit comments about simply calling all nations on Earth to stop polluting deserves more recognition than the people actually doing something, anything, but not this one.", "That'd be why, like in the video, they mentioned working on a 3rd version that is even bigger and more efficient. And also deploying 10 of them so they can do more at once. It's usually the case when a project needs a good deal or research it doesn't necessarily have major results in the first few iterations. Especially in this case when they needed prototypes and real world data.", "> The way he presented though made it sound like we haven’t been exposed yet\n\nI don't see it, to be honest. They never explicitly said anything like that. On the contrary, they said:\n\n>Plastics break down into micro-plastics after prolonged ocean exposure which then enters the foodchain, affecting fish and other ocean creature populations, and in many cases, some of that ends up in the food people eat.\n\n[/u/Immabed](/u/Immabed) didn't phrase it as \"will end up\" or \"could end up,\" but as \"[micro-plastic] ends up in the food people eat.\" Seemed pretty clear to me.", "Don't know which guys from japan he's talking about, but check out Quantafuel.", "Look man I’m not disagreeing with you or him. Just putting more info out there. Relax", "Yeah that's true. I do live in the united states so that's where I was coming from, like I've seen videos in India and Brazil and so forth where the rivers look like you could walk on top of the water due to garbage but I don't really feel the need or see the utility in calling that shit out because I don't really have any say in that", "All those damned laundry baskets. WTF, people?", "[Canada apparently uses 57 million straws PER DAY.](https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/news/2020/10/canada-one-step-closer-to-zero-plastic-waste-by-2030.html) Canada only has a population of 38 million people. I don't know who the hell is using 40,000 straws a day, but that's not Margaret getting her Venti Frap.\n\nLike, this is really not a problem that is ever going to be solved by a few people using reusable straws.", "Ah Jimmy Kkona Man this is a real problem but i guess you have enough by living on Tejas", "Self Promotion\n\nIm the mod of r/theoceancleanup, the project aimed to clean up the plastics from the ocean. \n\nPlease join the sub that works to keep track of the project, spread the word about the project to your friends or [donate](https://theoceancleanup.com/donate/) to the cause\n\nThank you", "Which is fine if we can just keep it out of the water.", "Not all wealth should be controlled by the government, first off, it simply shouldn't be allowed to accumulate in the hands of a few.\n\nThat said, I (and the people in general) have much more control over how the government spends money than how bill gates spends money. Is it perfect? No, not even close. Part of the reason for that, though, is the undue influence plutocrats like himself have over those governments. I'd rather the government mishandle money than billionaires because at least in a democracy there's a chance the politicians at fault are punished for it. In the private money world, things that we would call corruption anywhere else are simply called business.", "You’d rather he not get some more attention even if it meant donating a lot of money to causes like this?", "All those cords are going to get tangled on something for sure.", "Serious question: what do you do with all the debris once it's back on land?", "I'd advise you get an education. The atomic bomb radically changer warfare for ever. Since then no major military has directly fought another one. No overt war between nuclear powers or their close allies.\n\nThe US funded coups, sold weapons to terrorists, distributed propaganda, assassinated political leaders, propped up puppet regimes, manipulated economies, and directly bombed many countries in the middle East and South America. Your narrative of these places being shitshows no matter foreign interference is straight up propaganda.\n\nUS protection of commerce is what all empires have done in all history. It's the way they maintain hegemony, until they can't because the world catches up. And it's happening right now. See the situation in South China Sea.\n\nAnyway I won't respond further, not my job to educate you.\n\nEdit: typos", "There's a video where the guy behind all of this seems to be very aware of this. He says he wants to be out of business but until the trash stops coming from up rivers they need to at least keep it out of the ocean. https://youtu.be/pXDx6DjNLDU?t=398", "Dunno. That’s a harder problem. But at least we can work to limit new microplastic proliferation", "They have a perfect solution that can be scaled easily\n\n\nIt's called the [interceptor](https://youtu.be/bm1rH70wfJo)", "Ramsey \n\n\"Finally, some good fucking news\"", "that's the intent of the river interceptors. although IIRC, the trash wheels are custom to the baltimore geography, while the river interceptors are meant to be modular and fit any river", "Some places don't even have systems in place to stop that. So laws would punish them for a lack of resources. You can see some of it here. [https://youtu.be/pXDx6DjNLDU?t=398](https://youtu.be/pXDx6DjNLDU?t=398)", "> puberty stricken areas\n\ngreatest description of a high school ever", "If you see those ships and think they will pull the system, you are wrong\n\nThey are working on making the entire system autonomous, the system needs a gentle forward movement, so they will design a autonomous boat that can pull the system slowly in unity", "Okay, you're not understanding my point. The clean up company is claiming that fish can just swim under the garbage net and not get caught in it.", "Got nothing but respect for the people out there doing this every day I used to go on trash clean ups out in the Shasta trinity in California it's gross and it's everywhere but this lifts my spirits to see. The stuff they have going on in rivers is amazing as well👍👍", "Sunglass thingy is a proof of concept to show the world the plastics can be recycled from the ocean", "Although your question isn‘t meaningless, you have to ask yourself the following: Have the people who are actually doing the research and development of hardware and methods for collecting trash in the ocean asked themselves this question before? \nThe answer is: Of course they have, it‘s part of their whole mission and life goal to ask themselves those questions. \nI just get pissed because it‘s people whose first knee-jerk reaction is always to question everything others are doing, but sitting on their ass themselves, that make Reddit super annoying sometimes. \nPlease don‘t be this person. \nEdit: And to answer your question from my personal perspective: 9 tonnes of trash per haul is a million times better than using those ships for fishing, or driving around the Caribbean in gigantic cruise ships, or aimlessly driving around on jet-skis and so on. You get my point. And I‘m sure they are working on better solutions as we speak.", "Yes. A lot of marine scientists have dismissed TOC as corporate greenwashing—especially now that their 'revolutionary' cleanup efforts rely on heavy-fuel burning ships, donated in-kind by Maersk, as well as funding from the world's largest plastic producer, Coca-Cola. And yet a suspicious number of Reddit posts are always praising how amazing TOC is, and anyone who counters that narrative is downvoted. \n\nHad TOC succeeded in creating a solar-powered cleanup device, that would have been something to be excited about. Using heavy fuel powered ships and purchasing the scam of carbon offsets doesn't seem like a success story. You're simply trading one polluting petrol product for another.", "Sell them to the companies to make useful products again\n\nGoal is to to prove ocean plastics can be recycled and introduce it to the supply chain", "I love Mr. TrashWheel!", "Oh so you believe most reddit commenters are well adjusted adults? Please, do elaborate.", "Why do people always talk like we gotta go all in on one option and ignore everything else? Of course we should try to stop the trash conveyor belt, but we also need to deal with the Texas sized fucker of plastic floating around there already.", "And showed fish just causualy swimming around the net.", "The issue is what do you do with the salvaged plastic? It's almost all so degraded it can't be used for anything except burning it...which...\n\n[https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/environment-plastic-cement/](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/environment-plastic-cement/)\n\nAlso, if collecting the plastic from the ocean requires the burning of heavy fuel, it's counterintuitive. And once plastic has ended up in the patch, it's already done the majority of damage to marine life.", ">\tI'd advise you get an education. The atomic bomb radically changer warfare for ever. Since then no major military has directly fought another one. No overt war between nuclear powers or their close allies.\n\nAnd the US which possessed it used it as an opportunity to instill peace and prosperity around the world. Like all throughout history when a nation/military had a significant military advantage leveraged it. In this case it was for a shared global initiative.\n\n>\tThe US funded coups, \n\nTo overthrow communist regimes\n\n>sold weapons to terrorists, \n\nTo fight against communist regimes\n\n>distributed propaganda, \n\nLulz!!! Oh no!!! That propaganda.\n\n>assassinated political leaders, \n\nDictators of communist regimes \n\n>propped up puppet regimes, \n\nInstead of supporting communist dictators\n\n>manipulated economies, \n\nHow dod they do that?\n\n>and directly bombed many countries in the middle East and South America. \n\nBombed miltant forces, communist regimes and terrorist organizations.\n\n>You narrative of these places bring shitshows no matter foreign interference is straight up propaganda.\n\nYou narrative of these places bring shitshows no matter foreign interference is straight up propaganda.\n\n>\tUS protection of commerce is what all empires have done in all history. \n\nWhich led to global trade that enriched billions of people around the world.\n\n>It's the way they maintain hegemony, \n\nGlobal hegemony that has led to the most prosperous and peaceful era in history.\n\n>until they can't because the world catches up. \n\nWhat does this mean? Why so vague?\n\n>And it's happening right now. See the situation in South China Sea.\n\nWhat is the situation in the south China see that’s happening right now? Again, why so vague?\n\n>\tAnyway I won't respond further, not my job to educate you.\n\nBless your ignorant heart. You think you did something.,", "No use of pointing fingers, it won't solve anything, please donate to the cause @ www.theoceancleanup.com/donate", "The guy in the video also has machines that are at rivers collecting trash too. Hes trying to clean the ocean and rivers.", "Animals won't get trapped at all, the system won't move very fast to trap anything that is living, it moves so slow and movement is needed to trap the surface plastics\n\nIf a living thing encounters the system nets, it will just swim down to safety", "I mean, self-defense is basically the primary function of a government. Most of that water clean-up spending was just in the last decade. The EPA's total budget is like $9 billion dollars. I think cleaning up the Pacific just isn't a priority because America didn't cause the vast majority of it and because it's on the opposite size of the globe.", "11 million tonnes enters the ocean very year and that's expected to triple by 2040. At full scale, TOC could only clean up 20,000 tonnes per year from the patch. And the have lowballed the known science in their media releases saying only one million tonnes of plastic enters the ocean every year, when scientists estimate it's between 8 and 14 million.", "Trying to combat problems that capitalism caused but still being incredibly careful to tiptoe around the framework of capitalism to not disrupt too much is completely missing the point. Provide people with basic dignity by ensuring their retirement is taken care of, regardless of their \"market retirement accounts\". Destroy capitalism.", "Why not both?\n\nYou seem to be laboring under the idea that the choice is binary, either/or. Limited....", "Indeed, I hear the ROI on dumping imported trash into rivers is terrific, on the other hand!\n\nEdit: ROI aside, I'm glad people are trying to develop new cleanup technologies. We'll need it.", "The demo is older then that. I was 25 and I’m still here at 32. They’re is probably thousands just like me.", "Almost NONE of marine salvaged plastic is recyclable. Maybe 15-20 percent, max. TOC has noted that some of it will be incinerated.", "To be fair, the question is also worth asking: Is this just for PR?\n\nI don't mean to be cynical, but there's a lot of stuff that people do that seem meaningful or important on the surface, but it's just for clout. Asking if a result is meaningful is a prerequisite question to whether or not they're doing it just for clout.\n\nPart of the field I work in, I'm constantly trying to balance optics with being genuine and always questioning the reasons why we're doing something. Are we doing this because we believe in it or because we'll get less public pushback for it? What are we really committing to?", "All that to put most of it into a landfill. Not really a solution but I guess it's better somehow?", "Especially when we have all this 1x use medical waste", "According to [this](https://teamseas.org/all-donors/) they have millions of donations, change to most trash and the highest donor is 1,200,001 lbs! seeing at least 5 mil on the first page alone \n\n\nhttps://great.com/erik/notes/donation-teamseas-erik-bergman-mrbeast/", "Cuz I’m addicted to the drama/hot takes.", "This is being done but big corpo won't listen to this as products in plastics is just pure profit and super strong for the companies\n\nBut the [coca cola foundation](https://www.coca-colacompany.com/news/ocean-cleanup-partnership) has partnered with them, so that looks like a good step forward", "They didn't? \n\n\"The Ocean Cleanup hopes eventually to deploy 10 to 15 expanded-range Jennys — powered by 20 to 30 ships — to operate round the clock 365 days a year at the garbage patch. At that scale, organizers say, the effort could recover between 15,000 and 20,000 tonnes of plastic a year, though it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.\"\n\nBy 2040, nearly 30 million tonnes of plastic will enter the global ocean annually.", "Dude.... That's like the whole thing he talks about in the video. They harvest the plastic and have a whole thing to manufacture recycled plastic into cool shit like sunglasses. That's how they keep the project funded and growing, is they're using and selling the plastic. It's actually ingenious- polypropylene is incredibly expensive to produce like most everything right now.", "Por que no Los dos?", "The point of the cleanup is simple, clean the already existing ocean plastic so they don't breakup and enter the food chain of human beings\n\nIf left unattended, it will just cause huge issues in future generations to come\n\nAnd I agree with the practice of making plastics in first place though but trying to bring this change will not be a very easy task in the future", "Is it even possible to make a dent in existing ocean garbage?", "That‘s super easy to answer. Look up Boyan Slat, the guy who founded Ocean Cleanup and you will see that it has absolutely nothing to do with PR. \nHave you ever heard of the guy before? They‘re doing this since 2013. \nHe started to think about solutions to this problem when he was 16 because he was pissed off by all the trash when he went diving, and he founded the non-profit organization when he was 19. \nEdit: Corrected age. He was only 19 when he founded Ocean Cleanup.", "While I would loooooove for it to be super helpful and a great solution, actual experts on marine plastic pollution do not believe it is actually helpful, and is likely to do more harm than good :( Here's are quotes from an article by a marine scientist who interviewed marine plastic pollution experts & contacted the ocean cleanup team (emphasis mine):\n\n\"Not one surveyed expert unreservedly supports the Ocean Cleanup.\"\n\n\"It is clear from their public statements and from my interview with Lonneke Holierhoek that the Ocean Cleanup team is composed of passionate people who are earnestly trying to help. However, trying to help is not the same thing as helping.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup device will be one of the largest, if not the largest, human-made structures ever placed into the oceans. One would hope that a project like this would be based on the best available science and enjoy the enthusiastic support of most relevant experts, but concerns from the experts I spoke to suggest that this is not the case.\n\nThe ocean plastic pollution experts that I spoke to are concerned that this unproven technology is based on an incorrect understanding of the problem, is likely to do a lot of harm to marine life, and diverts attention and resources from solutions that we know work. At best, they believe that this project will do little to solve the ocean plastic pollution problem, and at worst it will take resources and attention away from solutions that really can help. Uncritical media coverage of this controversial project has done a real disservice to the oceans.\"\n\nwww.southernfriedscience.com/i-asked-15-ocean-plastic-pollution-experts-about-the-ocean-cleanup-project-and-they-have-concerns/", "Putting this on the top comment: While I would loooooove for the ocean cleanup project to be super helpful and a great solution, actual experts on marine plastic pollution do not believe it is actually helpful, and is likely to do more harm than good :( Here's are quotes from an article by a marine scientist who interviewed marine plastic pollution experts & contacted the ocean cleanup team (emphasis mine):\n\n\"Not one surveyed expert unreservedly supports the Ocean Cleanup.\"\n\n\"It is clear from their public statements and from my interview with Lonneke Holierhoek that the Ocean Cleanup team is composed of passionate people who are earnestly trying to help. However, trying to help is not the same thing as helping.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup device will be one of the largest, if not the largest, human-made structures ever placed into the oceans. One would hope that a project like this would be based on the best available science and enjoy the enthusiastic support of most relevant experts, but concerns from the experts I spoke to suggest that this is not the case.\n\nThe ocean plastic pollution experts that I spoke to are concerned that this unproven technology is based on an incorrect understanding of the problem, is likely to do a lot of harm to marine life, and diverts attention and resources from solutions that we know work. At best, they believe that this project will do little to solve the ocean plastic pollution problem, and at worst it will take resources and attention away from solutions that really can help. Uncritical media coverage of this controversial project has done a real disservice to the oceans.\"\n\nwww.southernfriedscience.com/i-asked-15-ocean-plastic-pollution-experts-about-the-ocean-cleanup-project-and-they-have-concerns/", "But you would need to clean up the floor at some point.", "Big Head doing well after the show ended. Good for him.", "Sir, this is a TEST which proved it can be done, next system planned will be around a Km and will not be pulled by massive boats but small autonomous ships that moves very slowly so the plastics on surface can be trapped and sent to the collection area in the middle", "While I would loooooove for it to be super helpful and a great solution, actual experts on marine plastic pollution do not believe it is actually helpful, and is likely to do more harm than good :( Here's are quotes from an article by a marine scientist who interviewed marine plastic pollution experts & contacted the ocean cleanup team (emphasis mine):\n\n\"Not one surveyed expert unreservedly supports the Ocean Cleanup.\"\n\n\"It is clear from their public statements and from my interview with Lonneke Holierhoek that the Ocean Cleanup team is composed of passionate people who are earnestly trying to help. However, trying to help is not the same thing as helping.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup device will be one of the largest, if not the largest, human-made structures ever placed into the oceans. One would hope that a project like this would be based on the best available science and enjoy the enthusiastic support of most relevant experts, but concerns from the experts I spoke to suggest that this is not the case.\n\nThe ocean plastic pollution experts that I spoke to are concerned that this unproven technology is based on an incorrect understanding of the problem, is likely to do a lot of harm to marine life, and diverts attention and resources from solutions that we know work. At best, they believe that this project will do little to solve the ocean plastic pollution problem, and at worst it will take resources and attention away from solutions that really can help. Uncritical media coverage of this controversial project has done a real disservice to the oceans.\"\n\nwww.southernfriedscience.com/i-asked-15-ocean-plastic-pollution-experts-about-the-ocean-cleanup-project-and-they-have-concerns/", "While I would loooooove for it to be super helpful and a great solution, actual experts on marine plastic pollution do not believe it is actually helpful, and is likely to do more harm than good :( Here's are quotes from an article by a marine scientist who interviewed marine plastic pollution experts & contacted the ocean cleanup team (emphasis mine):\n\n\"Not one surveyed expert unreservedly supports the Ocean Cleanup.\"\n\n\"It is clear from their public statements and from my interview with Lonneke Holierhoek that the Ocean Cleanup team is composed of passionate people who are earnestly trying to help. However, trying to help is not the same thing as helping.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup device will be one of the largest, if not the largest, human-made structures ever placed into the oceans. One would hope that a project like this would be based on the best available science and enjoy the enthusiastic support of most relevant experts, but concerns from the experts I spoke to suggest that this is not the case.\n\nThe ocean plastic pollution experts that I spoke to are concerned that this unproven technology is based on an incorrect understanding of the problem, is likely to do a lot of harm to marine life, and diverts attention and resources from solutions that we know work. At best, they believe that this project will do little to solve the ocean plastic pollution problem, and at worst it will take resources and attention away from solutions that really can help. Uncritical media coverage of this controversial project has done a real disservice to the oceans.\"\n\nwww.southernfriedscience.com/i-asked-15-ocean-plastic-pollution-experts-about-the-ocean-cleanup-project-and-they-have-concerns/", "with that world view charities shouldn’t exist. which of course would be a good thing but we don’t live in fairy land", "Curious on your take on this article, which involves a survey of marine plastic pollution experts! Some quotes (emphasis mine):\n\n\"Not one surveyed expert unreservedly supports the Ocean Cleanup.\"\n\n\"It is clear from their public statements and from my interview with Lonneke Holierhoek that the Ocean Cleanup team is composed of passionate people who are earnestly trying to help. However, trying to help is not the same thing as helping.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup device will be one of the largest, if not the largest, human-made structures ever placed into the oceans. One would hope that a project like this would be based on the best available science and enjoy the enthusiastic support of most relevant experts, but concerns from the experts I spoke to suggest that this is not the case.\n\nThe ocean plastic pollution experts that I spoke to are concerned that this unproven technology is based on an incorrect understanding of the problem, is likely to do a lot of harm to marine life, and diverts attention and resources from solutions that we know work. At best, they believe that this project will do little to solve the ocean plastic pollution problem, and at worst it will take resources and attention away from solutions that really can help. Uncritical media coverage of this controversial project has done a real disservice to the oceans.\"\n\nwww.southernfriedscience.com/i-asked-15-ocean-plastic-pollution-experts-about-the-ocean-cleanup-project-and-they-have-concerns/", "Those ships will be removed in future, because using ships is totally useless and can't be scaled up quickly\n\nThey will be using a autonomous boat thing to pull the system very slowly", "Definitely! This is pretty niche, but one of my favorite videos concerning reddit comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evjn7_tMRd4", "$294 Aussie Dollarydoos for the sunglasses. That's ridiculous.", "I remember a video being posted either about this project or something similar. The top three or four comments all said that the design would accidentally capture fish and kill them. But in the video the designers actually spent quite a bit if time explaining how they designed the system to ensure it wouldn't accidentally capture or harm fish...\n\nThis was constantly being pointed out in the comments and people would just randomly flip to an entirety sperate critique. Each comment thread looked something like:\n\nRedditor #1: \"I'm a fish expert and this thing will kill so many fish. It's laughable that videos like this get upvoted at all\".\n\nRedditor #2: \"How will this kill fish? They address the topic in the video and explain how they intend to avoid capturing fish with their system\".\n\nRedditor #1: \"Ok, but it's too expensive and it doesn't make economic sense. Who will fund this? Money doesn't grow on trees\".\n\nRedditor #2: \"Again, this is explained in the video. They even have a separate video that goes into further detail about how the project is being funded\".\n\nRedditor #1: \"Recycling is actually bad for the planet. What will they do when they actually collect all the plastic? I don't see this project going anywhere\".\n\nSometimes it really feels like people just want to argue with a headline.", "They are and other people are but that's a much harder task. It's better to do something than nothing. So they are doing some cleanup while working on the harder task.\n\nAlso if they did stop the flow of trash then we would still have the trash in the water. It would still need to be cleaned up at some point.", "Dude....None of what you just wrote is correct. There is no \"whole thing to manufacture recycled plastic.\" The sunglasses were a short-lived promo campaign that used less than 1 tonne of plastic from an experimental test-run of System 001B to produce and raise money at $300 bucks a pop. Not to mention...sunglasses don't last forever. TOC has no clue what to do with the rest of the salvaged plastic. They've even said so in public that they don't know yet what to do with it and some of it will be incinerated. They're not going to be able to turn all the marine salvaged plastic into useful products.", "That’s one 1 millionth more than anything done before. Something is always better than nothing.", "No, because movement of the system will be very like casual walking speed, Marine life can just swim down", "Neither does the EPA, was my point.", "Yes, you would but probably should stop bleeding to death first.", "I knew about it through LPL.", "It's made to prove 2 things\n\nFund system\nShow public the plastic from Ocean can be made to durable products", "Yes the typical Redditor response is to share valid critiques that get heavily criticized by other redditors that want to believe their heroes are without blemish. \n\nThis is not whataboutism. There are real criticisms of the things they are doing in the video! \n\nThe criticism is that this method they’re using, if deployed at scale, could seriously damage marine ecosystems that are already damaged by plastic. Sometimes idealistic solutions cause real harm. Perhaps they won’t ever manage to deploy this at scale, so might not even matter. But it’s a bit like if you’re trying to remove a bullet from someone’s abdomen, it’s probably best if you don’t also by accident remove one of their essential organs.\n\nI’m not some idiot who doesn’t care about the environment. I work with issues related to sustainable transformation at my job every day. And you know what? There are discussions happening all the time about the best ways to decarbonize, the best methods of recycling and phasing out single-use plastics, the best ways to deal with existing pollution. There are nice-sounding ideas popping up all the time that, when looked at more closely, have tons of problems and should be dropped. But instead those ideas pop up in viral videos all the time, because they sound good, they get views, and the average person doesn’t know better.\n\nSo your “no one gives a shit” irks me. You should give a shit.", "This is a beginning that shows the trash can be taken, further systems should be super big and scaled up soon", "Their website suggests about half the plastic entering the ocean floats", "[Meet the interceptor](https://youtu.be/bm1rH70wfJo)", "I suggest we've accumulated a whole host of problems, any one of which is real and appalling and difficult to solve. :(", "Lol the replies to this comment are peak Reddit. \n\nScene: a discussion about the lack of nuance on Reddit and the all or nothing takes.\n\nOP: attempts to present nuanced take about how Reddit represents a small slice of humanity that differs from other slices of humanity, such as Facebook.\n\nReddit: “no it doesn’t! It doesn’t represent humanity at all in any way!”\n\nWe did it Reddit. We successfully killed the nuance.\n\nEnd scene", "They will be doing it, they will pull the system in future with small autonomous ships that will move slowly", "That's why I'm talking about them selling it. The cost to produce plastic is high. Why not sell the raw resource to other producers. They have a whole big department devoted to funding the project with the plastic they harvest. There's a fuckload of plastic in the ocean to sell.", "It already got abandoned and things changed fast", "[Meet the interceptor](https://youtu.be/bm1rH70wfJo)", "I’m glad they started clean up. How does this get to be so bad?", "I just hope they don’t pull it all out and then just dump it into Atlantic.", "And only if that foundation that’s raising money for research throws a fancy dinner party.", "Great idea, not economically feasible, rocket things very costly and cannot lift very huge loads", "The coordinated action in this thread was very noticable, especially in the timing of replies and downvotes (and where they happened, replies to visible top-comments).\n\n\ne.g my other comment in this thread:\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjfno56/\n\nYou wouldn't believe how swingy the votes on that comment were. Whenever it got back into the positive it got bombed again. Quite interesting to watch.\n\nMakes me even more doubtful about who is behind this organisation. No well intentioned charity would employ bots/astroturfing. And this isn't even their first reddit thread where that has been obvious.", "Don't forget to return to sender the ccp", "Well, this is still a prototype. The next version will be much larger, as stated in the video. As for their business model, they’re a non-profit and presumably are being funded primarily by donations. Ultimately, to clean up the garbage patch, they just need to collect trash more quickly than it’s being added, which I suspect they’ll be able to do. Combine that with other solutions to drastically reduce the amount of new waste flowing in from rivers, and eventually you would only need some minimal regular maintenance to keep the patch clean. \n\nYes, this is a small piece of all the things we need to do for this planet, but it needs to be done regardless, so this is nice to see.", "Spread word about the project to friends and family\n\nStop using plastic products\n\nSupport environmental groups in your location", "There’s a couple new Rs though, revenge & retribution.", ">The issue is what do you do with the salvaged plastic? It's almost all so degraded it can't be used for anything except burning it...which...\n\nYes, burn it, and in the long term capture the CO2.\n\nIn the short term I don't think burning it is a significant impact on global CO2. You can get a lot out of it if you ship it to a trash burning power plant in the north that also uses the heat for district heating. It could be somewhat CO2-neutral if it's replacing coal and gas.\n\nSome trash burning power plants are experimenting with carbon capture, like one in Oslo. To me, that's the only solution that's close to ideal. Degraded plastic must be taken out of the ecosystem permanently, and the only reliable way to do that is to burn it. The only real downside to burning in a modern trash burning power plant is CO2, which can be managed. The question is if it's economical.", "I really hope so", "Because these cleanup efforts so far have and will continue to allow the polluters to keep dumping into the ocean. They’ve been pointing to them as evidence that cleanup is underway, no fines or laws needed for dumping. These on the surface earnest efforts have and will result in more pollution not less.", "Ok, so we declare war on floating trash.", "You're clearly some sort of party clown.", "Looking at the clips of the garbage they cleaned up, the overwhelming majority of it looked like ship waste, and not consumer waste. WE* aren't dumping plastic in the oceans - but ships absolutely are. They need to be held accountable for that, and those industries should be tasked with funding this.", "Well what else should we do with it? Once we've taken it out of the sea it has to go somewhere, and the company making it needs to make some money out of it, so why not sell it for recycling?", "Duck off dude you’re being racist, keep your diverse approach to yourself. \n\nEveryone knows taking a measured approach is literal murder on Reddit.", "Makes total sense. I would imagine the effort will be extremely broad to make the changes we need to make. The ocean cleanup (of large pieces of trash) is just a small tiny piece of a small tiny piece of what we have on the list to do. But it is something. Hopefully more solutions are found for other aspects of the problem.", "For now, the point is to introduce Ocean made peerless in to plastic making supply chain\n\nThe honest truth is that the human beings are so used with plastics, it can't be destroyed just like that and will take huge amounts of time until there is a cheap way for making alternates to plastics", "🤦‍♂️", "I grasp perfectly fine that large corporations are overwhelmingly responsible\n\nit's possible to understand this and still feel that making small contributions as an individual is better than doing nothing", "Hey, my dad works on one of the two ships shown in the video. \nYou are actually correct about the fuel consumption, one of the ships consume 2 tons and the other 8 tons per day. One motor is modified, that's why there is a difference. \nRight now they have very bad weather and are not able to operate it, most of the people who are not used to be at sea are also seasick atm... \nIt takes about a week to get in port from where they are atm (port is in Victoria, Canada).", "How many of these systems would we need to match the pace at which we are dumping?", "Goes now donations will find the cleanup\n\nThe companies who need raw materials for making plastic products will find the system in the future instead of making fresh plastic plates", "Recycle into pellets and make products again", "That is only to show the plastic can be recycled from oceans and fund cleanups partially", " [Meet the interceptor](https://youtu.be/bm1rH70wfJo)", "Those Interceptor things are designed to be highly scalable", "Oddly enough, we didn’t go off the Gold standard until 1971. It’s amazing you can see wage growth plateau and poverty rate flatten out as soon as they did away with it.", "Because your politicians are owned by corporations that benefit from war.", "Really glad this is being worked on and funded. But it will mean be voided in another 10 years if countries don’t stop dumping trash into rivers and waterways that lead to oceans (and dumping in the ocean itself). Same with fishing nets and other major waste. The UN should be stopping that but it’s a joke", "We could stop the people dumping it", "A huge portion of reducing one-time materials is the ridiculous amount of packaging that you stand no chance of controlling.\n\nAnd sure, you could reduce \"your\" footprint by not buying those products. You probably starve since they're basically part of virtually every single product you buy, but still. And sure, if people stopped buying it eventually the company might change their mind...\n\nBut fundamentally, we need regulations that actually cut the waste and make the hard choices. \"The consumer should do \\_\\_\\_\" are frankly a waste of breath imo.", "Hey Elon fund this since the UN cant prove 6bn to end world hunger or agree to be transparent with the spending. K thanks.", "See my third paragraph for a much more effective solution.", "See my third paragraph for a much more effective solution.", "They won't mostly sell plastic products, most will be recycled and sold to companies who need to make plastic things\n\nFor companies making fresh plastic materials, they can get Ocean plastic raw materials", "You’ll get more bang for the money based on the solution in the third paragraph.", "I mean yes. This is in no way a deterrent to donate. I donate to PCF and Doctors without Borders every year like clockwork. I'm just tired of people trying to defend billionaires by going \"but how do they chooooooose?\" They don't have to, they're rich enough that they could donate to all of them.", "So you're claiming they won't burn tons of fuel in order to recover 9 tons of plastic waste from the sea?", "Dis you think the system moves very fast so living things can't escape?\n\nIt moves so slowly, those ships are present to give the surface plastic a nudge to make it move to the center\n\nWhen fish encounters this thing, it will just move below", "What original idea was never further refined? \n\nIn failing they have learnt and created something that works, isn't that how design processes work? \n\nYou're basically advocating never creating anything.", "This is designed to stop further damage and convert these plastics into micro plastics again and causing even more chaos", "But don’t we at some point have to remove it? Why not at least try and figure that out and implement the best way to do it? Seems like they’re getting better. Think of it like a prototype", "I imagine you'd need two different systems, one for the big stuff and the second for the soupy part.", "Okay but there’s already a shitload of microplastics in the ocean. The public will think the problem is solved though and that won’t be addressed.", "Watch the video.", "Since I mod the subreddit, I know something\n\n\nThey already have plans to make the system crazy ass bigger and it will not be pulled by these huge ships (which incurs pollution and running cost) but small boats that are autonomous and moves very slowly just enough to move plastics to center", "Glass thing is a proof of concept to show plastics from Ocean can be made to durable products", "> Welcome to the internet\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU", "Link?", "But.. I mean.. Companies don't make plastic bottles for the fun of it. They make them because your fellow neighbors keep using them. If you start using them again too then you're adding one more reason for companies to keep making plastic bottles. \n\nAlso, by using a refillable water bottle let's say you're saving on one plastic bottle a day (and that's a conservative estimate), that by itself is about 350\\~ bottles a year. Which might not be a lot in the great scheme of things, but it's still 350 less plastic bottles a year. The site above says the water wheel ate 1.5 million bottles so far, so if you and 4000 other people switch to reusable that's the amount of plastic you save per year on just water bottles. \n(And if we go back to the companies making them - That's 1.5 million less bottles they'll be making and shipping next year just because of 4,000 people who now drink water from refillable bottles).", "And there it is. That’s what I suspected you’d say, and it’s important you lead with that information because if this is what you want to achieve, you can’t just go after billionaires, and certainly not as a first order of business, or you will fuck over an entire generation in the process.", "Yes, this is right, damage had been done by humanity\n\nThis project aims to stop one thing, to make micro plastics, you need plastics in the first place in the Ocean surface, remove it and micro plastics will be stopped\n\nThis will obviously take huge amount of time to realise though", ">\t\"This is useless because it's not eliminating it in 24 hours, and also the ships burn gasoline\"\n\nThis is what I’m most curious about. How much do they need to pull out of the ocean before it’s a break even scenario where what’s pulled out = what was put into the atmosphere to pull it out. \n\nQuite the conundrum but a marvelous achievement still.", "The asshole in me thinks that all the garbage they find that is identified as coming from certain countries should be tallied and posted to be shamed. Like a running scoreboard.\n\nI don't think the places that do the most polluting should be able to keep doing so without SOMEONE calling it out.", "and then the glasses end up in the ocean", "Do it all at once. Create a tax bill that converts unrealized wealth and use it to fund UBI, and healthcare. Among other things.", "I discuss it further down in the comments, but since this appears like a good faith question. \n\nEach mission removes approximately a garbage truck load of plastics. At our current rate of plastic waste, it takes one minute to put all that back (when you consider the river inputs). Boyan and team would be better off focusing on their river initiative than the floating rig. \n\nYou need to stop it at the point source or else this is all a smokescreen. For example, consider the problem of acid rain. Instead of removing sulfur dioxide and other gases from the air (equivalent of Boyan’s idea with removing plastics), scientists successfully argued for the placement of catalytic converters in cars (dealing at the point source). At least in the US, when was the last time you heard of acid rain being an issue? You haven’t, because they dealt with it at the source. Much like Coca Cola (who’s donated a significant amount of money to Boyan and team), the car companies wanted a solution that didn’t involve adding catalytic converters to cars. \n\nIn short, we need to deal with it at the point to buy us the time to remove it from the ocean because it’s going into the ocean faster than we can remove it. We could have thousands of those rigs out there, and the rate on input will far exceed our capability to remove it.", "Not 1000 tons, no.", "I think the 70's was the final total removal of it but practically it was done in the 20-30's(?) cos it was necessary to be able to trade internationally etc with other countries iirc (I could be wrong on this though). \n\nAnother thing is all the stupid conspiracy videos talking about the Federal reserve as though it's an evil institution owned by people that use it to make all the money that they want. There's a tonne of mis-information about this, always skipping over things like its NOT privately owned, it's NOT allowed to make any profit and a bunch of other stuff.. I Think I remember my economics professor again saying that a federal reserve bank is mostly how the Country controls the mechanics of the economy, not so much the economy itself which no one really 'controls' in the way that The average conspiracy nut thinks", "> You probably starve since they're basically part of virtually every single product you buy\n\nWait what? At least here in Europe you can go to pretty much any supermarket and buy meat directly from a local farm in most places. That is often not packaged in plastic. You can also easily get bread, vegetables and fruit without plastic packaging. Drink water from the tap and voilá you won't starve for sure, even without directly buying single use plastics.\n\nSure, buying a pack of gummi bears would be right out. But hey, maybe we can go back to just grabbing a glass jar and filling it at the store? If enough people stop buying that stuff and make it clear why then I see no reason for it not to change. It's not like companies produce single use plastics to spite the environment - they do so because it's what the customers want(ed).\n\nSupermarkets in my area have begun offering \"bring your own packaging\" for some other stuff like soft drinks and spices. I regularly buy computer boards and lately some of them have been arriving without plastic wrapping. Things are changing, albeit slowly.", "Did you need the $5?", "I mean the average demographic is that range. There are ppl in their 70's here and probably older", "Why does all of the plastic end up in that patch of the Pacific Ocean?", "I think you miscalculated a bit :) 57 million divided by 37 million is 1.5 per day per person. I can see that happening with parties, dinners and eating out.", "Ships tend to burn Diesel, not gasoline. But yes that is a concern. Everything is tradeoffs, and in my opinion (and obviously that of The Ocean Cleanup) the emitted carbon is a worthy compromise for cleaning up the garbage patch. They tried a self sustaining system driven by currents and it didn't work, so here we are.", "Bezo could of done this…", "I guess my point is that was the average demo back then too. I guess maybe some people got a life haha", "To be fair Mr Bonehead, the other half are credulous idiots posting \"Cure for cancer discovered in ice-cream!\"\n\nWhich is worse? I'll take skeptical over credulous any day.\n\nEdit: I'll also take them over People who generalize about \"Redditors\", as though they were one anything.", "Fair enough, better than in the water cycle. Plastics are a whole thing that definitely requires a lot of attention, I would love to see single use plastics phased out and quite frankly a lot of cheap plastic crap would benefit from being made of more resilient materials that will be useful longer. What we do with the plastic already created, well, that is a big issue as well, and obviously recycling is barely a partial solution.", "Yeah, it is. I'm just hoping we can make the future slightly less worse. At this point that's about all I can hope for.", "That's why I always try to consume twice as much", "Maybe you missed the part where The Ocean Cleanup creates systems for pulling trash out of rivers before it gets to the Ocean, and gets local governments to pay for operations, which also encourages local governments to deal with the trash sources themselves? Stopping the flow of waste into the ocean should be obvious to anyone, but that still leaves the crap already there. Best to do both.", "I'd be interested in seeing updated review of expert opinion, since the design and operation of the system has significantly changes since 2018.", "So why not call them out as hypocrites vs kicking someone actually, physically doing something (anything?).\n\nYou seem to be implying that I accept your proposed status-quo, I do not. I would suggest others too do not. Sure not everyone else that cares, but some. Prior to Cleanup, it was curbside recycling that was pointed to as the panacea, and today it is something new.\n\nYou're pointing at the current 'boogeyman' vs that of yesteryear, but the larger game is still the same: distract. This is well known in my opinion b/c it's been multiple decades to my mind that industry has (long-since) been fingered as the primary polluter. Shit, Randy Newman even wrote a song about such things.\n\nYou beating your drum implying that one's positive actions somehow net-negative on the grand-scheme of things is ignorant of the fact that not everyone will actually think like you, or think like you feel they will think. I can see where this guy is at least doing _something_ whereas yes, whatever is going in the front is always going to be the larger problem. That's not unique to pollution, more-so just the mechanics of life in this physical universe.\n\nYou _REALLY_ seem to want to let the-lack-of-perfect get in the way of _any_ positive step. Faqing toxic. Praise one, go after the other; you can have both! \n\nGrow up.", "you expect them to put it in a ship and send it into the sun?", "We're saving the planet.\nWe're going to get this done.\nStay classy San Diego.\n\nThese next few years are gonna be EPIC!\n#preach", "Let's gooooo!!", "Do you work for them or are you paid to astroturf per hour/comment?", "I’ve never seen someone do that with a wishbone.", "Meanwhile corporations have told us its too expensive and difficult to deal with so just don't worry about it...", "Fair point, I was being hyperbolic in the first place, but I still just plain forgot a fair few stores will have a fresh meat section.\n\nThe key issue I have with a lot of the rhetoric here is that short of radical, wildspread change that won't be removing the packaged meats. It won't remove the aisles of chips and snacks. Etc. And shops won't exactly be jumping ship out of the goodness of their heart, consumer action is only as good as their patience, which is generally not known to be long. Fundamentally, regulations are going to be required.\n\nWhile the customer is somewhat the inspiration for the product packaging, it's frankly generally bordering on silly to think the customers really have much input in the packaging, or whether it's packaged at all.", "You realize though, that we aren't going to clean up a vast gyre where plastics hang out in microplastics form, in various levels of the ocean?\n\nAll of this, is a pipedream. You could have ten thousands ships out there and you won't even make a dent in that nightmare.\n\nThat's the problem with the visuals of this boat. It presents hope where there isn't any. The real hope, is stopping the damage, not trying to reverse it like we're tilting at windmills.", "As he has already stated, the plastic is so degraded that it can't be recycled into anything that isn't a novelty.", "We should use nuclear subs to do the job instead; those are clean energy\n\nsort of /s", "This type of selfless fortitude always gets me choked up and motivated!", "We’ll the barrier is only about 9 feet or 3 meters below the surface so animals can just swim below before they reach the net. Not sure about kelp but I guess jellyfish and stuff can be affected?", "They’re planning on putting trash collectors at the mouths of the few rivers that contribute something like 90% of the trash into the ocean.", "India needs like a million of these things.", "If people took that attitude with every technological invention, we'd still be shitting in holes in the ground.\n\nSometimes shit doesn't work on the first try. In fact, I'd say in most cases shit doesn't work on the first try. Most of the time you need to polish and refine the idea until it works well enough, and then refine it a million more times after that.\n\nYou'll notice that Apple didn't stop development after the first iPhone, which itself probably have several thousand iterations of development.\n\nBut yeah, I guess being right in only the strictest technical sense is more important.", "Why are you so hostile straight out of the gate? Sit down and take some breaths my dude", "OK, now automate this and we're good. If we can make rockets land themselves right-side, this this should be possible.", "I love to see it. Shows how much reddit knows", "Is Wall-e real life?", "The point being, it’s just gonna end up back in the ocean or a landfill. I understand you’re saying though.", "Yea totally", "Anything we do in the US will be for naught if they can’t get there shit together", "This is great work. Hope they work on something at the other end also.", "That music started in and I clicked off quickly.", "80-90% of the stuff put in recycling bins gets thrown in a landfill. Only 2 types of plastic are recyclable.", "This is an excellent example of how some individual's climate negligence can directly affect another individual's life somewhere far away. We're all in this together.", "China and India need to be funding this, they're the main contributors to ocean pollution", "So they found a way to make plastic pollution profitable.\n\nNot judging, that's literally what it takes these days.", "Bruh that CEO dude needs to hit some squats and deadlifts and drink some milk", "> Death of nuanced conversation.\n\nThat basically sums up the Internet", "Just sounds like one expert is bitter another experts idea got funding.\n\nJust because one project gets funding doesn’t mean another won’t, the “expert” you linked kinda sounds like a moron.", "Jesus, you specifically mentioned river mouths and reducing trash entering the ocean, so I pointed out that The Ocean Cleanup has a system to help address that. What is your problem? The whole damn goal is to stop trash getting into the ocean in the first place. At least they are bloody trying. Maybe their garbage patch system is bad, tbh I'm much more interested in their river system.\n\nAnd no, I don't work for them or get paid to astroturf. I have no relationship with The Ocean Cleanup.", "No, he probably ran multiple simulations that disjointed babies, disabled, very old etc who can't use a straws. Every person left has to use 40,000 straws in order to arrive at that figure.", "The problem is that this thread and two of my comments in particular were def. brigaded. And it's not the first time either, I've seen it on the last thread about them (that I saw) as well, though I didn't participate there.\n\nI don't know whether you belong to that or just happened to stumble on comment (even though by now it's quite decently hidden due to downvotes), but as you also posted a donation link it seemed likely.\n\nTOC is a problematic organisation and it's fine if you don't know that though. They are good at PR and it's easy to fall for it.\n\nIf you are the type of problematic account I'll see in a few weeks. They follow a typical pattern of deleting the relevant comments after a few days while keeping the benign comments in other subs to keep up a reasonable comment history.", "How do you get this job?", "The ocean has a big smiley face 😋", "true, but the thing is, even if they do catch life in it, it's a trifle compared to benefit they'll be contributing back. Life can replenish itself when pollutants are removed, this is demonstratable. \n\nghost nets often host tons of organisms as they feed on the trapped and rotting creatures trapped in them, and when they're hauled out of the ocean those creatures unfortunately will die. But I consider it worth it, because the plastic removal is permanent, the life it removes can renew.", "The microplastics that have already formed are basically unfixable, I agree.\n\nStopping the damage? Isn't trying to reduce how much more microplastic gets created stopping the damage? Still, it is useless without stemming the inflow. I'm more interested in their Interceptor system for pulling trash out of rivers, especially because they have a good chance of becoming the cornerstones of change for communities along those most polluting rivers. \n\nI guess we'll see if actually slowing/stopping trash is possible, since it will take massive effort from governments and communities, and in many cases cultural shifts, but I have to hope.", "I think you're No True Scotsman'ing, my dude. If I were you, I'd concede that I made a sweeping generalization.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nBut that's just like, my opinion, man.", "Wow this is a terrible argument. I think i get what your trying to say. But the argument you used can be turned around and still make sense. IE:\n\nWe wouldent be anywhere if everyone patted each other on the back for stupid ideas. \n\n\nAnd the iphone example is terrible. Im sure they went though hundreds of iterations of crappy prototypes before they landed on the iphone1. \n\n\nItteration and innovation go hand in hand and criticism goes along way to help a product meet its full potential. \n\nI honestly am not sure what your arguing for", "Fuuuuuuuuuuuck yes!", "I watched the video and most of the trash appeared to be wood debris. How can they count that as trash towards their numbers? Seems disingenuous.", "Do we know how it's funded? I could see the trash execs laughing now as they cut costs putting the trash there then Society picking up the bill for the cleanup...", "A full garbage truck of plastics goes into the ocean every minute (that we know about).\n\nThe same companies that make the shit want you to be responsible while they make bags of money and do surface level meaningless changes (Unilever has numerous \"pledges\" to have recycled plastics in use, but nothing about not using plastics).\n\nI always say to people go ahead and try to find blueberries or cheese or beef that's not in plastic.\n\nI literally don't think I've ever seen some cheeses without plastic wrapping.", "I hate to be that guy...but..its a futile effort. At current estimates they are only cleaning less than %1 of plastic on the visible surface. In a land area the size of california. To put that in perspective, they are cleaning less plastic that what is put back in at the same time they are cleaning it.\n\nI would even argue, the process of putting the operation together might of wasted more resources.", "Separate all that trash into piles, and bill the corporations that made the stuff for the cleanup.", "Which isn't going to happen, consider this, this operation is taking out less than what is putting back in at the current pace.", "This is like something Colin Mochrie would say on Whose Line", "No its not a renewable energy, the plastic that comes back..isn't recyclable anymore. Its moving one problem to another problem.", "And this is just the shit that floats. Just imagine how much there is when including the stuff that’s already sunk to the bottom.", "He didn't prove anyone wrong, he literally is just moving one problem to another. Its not cleaning the ocean, considering the area is only the size of California, and multiple plastic areas in the ocean. The plastic isn't even reusable that is recovered.\n\nOh and that plastic is being put back in as soon as its cleaned.", "You're both missing the point. Both China and the countries selling the stuff are responsible. Both knew what was going on, and decided to turn a blind eye to it.", "Who pays for it?", "TLDW - Someone give me the simple reason why this doesn’t harm the fish, or scoop them up in a net?", "Good shit", "Lots of countries people still do shit in holes in the ground.", "Yeah we should support wildlife not kill it", "Am I the only one sitting here wondering why there's so many laundry baskets in the ocean?", "What worries me is what happen to the plastic after it get collected?\nProbably get recycled but then what?\nIt will thrown back to the ocean.", "The website has a map showing them", "Rice and beans are the cheapest thing in the store. Eat as much as you want cuz it's full of fiber and protein", "What a waste of time and resources", "That’s good but way too many do. In the 60’s 70’s 80’s people never tossed trash out of their cars. Now sadly many do, especially young people. It used to be strongly enforced with heavy fines. Now it seems no one cares. It’s really sad. Everything thrown our of cars ends up in the ocean at some point.", "Than the dumpster is carried higher up in the river were it than dumps it’s trash introverted river", "I personally read that quite differently, since the author of that article acknowledges he is not a marine plastic expert, so he only reports on what 15 actual experts on marine plastic pollution say about the project. \n\nI haven't seen any expert in marine plastic pollution, marine pollution, or marine biology say that this project is more beneficial than detrimental. I'd love to see anything on that if you've seen that?", "If there is enough of it it's an Initiative to do research to make it useable.", "Sure you put some laws in place in 3rd world countries, or countries that don't care like China and India. Meanwhile did you know that places along the Amazon literally push entire landfills into it to rid the trash? In fact one spot on the amazon a trash truck is partially sticking out of it because slid into it when dumping. lol\n\nLaws only apply to nations that enforce them, and they got other problems than dealing with that.", "Purse seine nets. About time..duh.", "If you're into that sort of thing, laundry soap strips are incredible! They come in a light cardboard sachet.", "That the thing. Many times more cost effective to not dispose of plastic into the ocean in the first place. \n\nEvery year USA disposes of 121,000 tons of plastic into the ocean and China 3.5 million tons of plastic into the ocean. The total is 8m tons of plastic into the ocean every year.\n\nThese kind of stories - on the surface well meaning, are not helpful and are being promoted by the plastic manufacturers in an effort to allow them to keep polluting. That’s the tragedy.", "I disagree. He's not having any appreciable effect on the amount of trash in the ocean, and is instead just pouring carbon into the atmosphere. [Here's a good piece](https://gizmodo.com/the-dream-of-scooping-plastic-from-the-ocean-is-still-a-1847890573) about the results of his efforts and the magnitude of the problem.", "So refreshing to see positive news.", "Wow what an inspiration! I remember seeing this guy talking about this a decade ago and he was like a young teenager. I was impressed then. Really neat to see his updated systems and so glad they work!", "On that note, I have full expectation that these boats used more than 9000 kg of fuel to collect that 9000 kg of trash.", "I wonder which poses more risk, the 9000kg of trash pulled out of the ocean or the 9000kg+ of carbon put in the atmosphere by the boats to collect it.", "Just stumbled across it. I got a surprising number of comments on my donation link so I read through the whole context, including your comment, to see what sort of discussion was happening. I was surprised to see 15 reddit notifications, definitely most I've ever gotten in a day.\n\nI'm definitely skeptical of TOC's ocean system, though less now than in the past (System 001's poor performance was almost laughable). If you have any good links regarding TOC being problematic I'd love to see them (well, maybe not love, sucks to learn about stuff like that, but I'd rather be informed than not).\n\nI still feel fairly bullish on their interceptors though (and they seem easy enough for someone else to replicate).", "PET and HDPE, I work in a recycling plant and you hit the nail on the head. If you look on the bottom of the containers and it's a 1 it's PET, 2 is HDPE. Where I work numbers 3-7 all get thrown in a bunker together and baled, and it costs us to get those bales taken away. \n\nMy facility is single-stream so contamination is the biggest problem since everything is mixed together on the trucks. The paper and cardboard are covered in food waste because people didn't rinse anything out and literally tons of garbage ends up in the recycling because people use the recycling bin as a free garbage can.\n\nI could talk about the failings of the recycling industry all day but the biggest problem is the companies using so much plastic that humans and machines have to sort it in the first place.", "That’s amazing! They’ve earned my donation… not my purchase though. What’s with people and those tacky fucking sunglasses?", "Yes, but also yes. There's just too many people.", "What do they do with the garbage, dump it in another ocean?", "THATS WHO HE LOOKS LIKE! God dammit I couldn't think of it lol its been a long day, thanks!", "Didn’t like a 16 kid come up with this?", "And immediately bankrupt most companies in the process, which will lead to immediate record unemployment. Good luck with that. \n\nI wish I had a magic wand, but I don’t, and neither do you. \n\nUntil people who advocate for this kind of restructuring can come forward with a viable proposal, this will remain a fantasy. \n\nSaid it before, and I’ll say it again: spend some time learning about how the markets actually work and you’ll realize how ridiculous this sounds as a strategy.\n\nAnd again, I say this as a person who generally agrees with the premise of UBI on principle.", "And? The first step to getting out of a hole is to put down the shovel", "HIGHLY recommend donating even a few dollars to this charity. They are wonderful. The link below is a 3rd party review of their financials etc and they scored 99.5/100.\n\nhttps://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/222897204", "Everything has to start somewhere, but this is so far off scale, it's like trying to cart a mountain away with a shovel and a wheelbarrow.", "This is why companies put the responsibility of cleaning up on us with the entire recycling industry.", "The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is exhausting!", "Their idea is to scale it larger and use a fleet of 10 + units. I believe their goal is to get rid of 90 % by 2040. They are also looking at lower emission fuels for ships. It’s absolutely a lofty goal but world changing ideas need to be lofty.", "One day in the future someone will be starting a project to drag giant nets around the ocean to gather up all these sunglasses", "Boy these goal posts move fast huh.\n\nBelieving in providing people with basic dignity but propping up systems that inherently take it away from them is a hot take bro. Just say you're a libertarian. It's ok boo.", "Banning single use plastics is the only r that matters.", "Now we have to get third world countries to stop dumping. Look up Brazil ocean dumping. China ocean dumping. It will make you very angry", "😻😻😻", "It's way too much garbage, I don't even believe the cleanup is keeping up with the rate its growing. They should just detonate a nuke on it, blame China, and then go home.", "Corporations around the world should fund this initiative.", "I never said either weren’t responsible. Stop making ip bogus arguments", "Which goal posts have moved? Do you understand the meaning of “moving the goalposts”? \n\nIt is possible to both believe in a thing but also to recognize the harsh realities of where we currently stand. I also don’t believe churches should be tax exempt, but recognize that changing that status overnight would cause major problems in some communities. \n\nLook up the word “pragmatism”. It applies here. \n\nYou seem content to pretend reality doesn’t exist, or unaware of the implications of what you speak of. \n\nAnd lmao, how exactly does anything I’ve said even hint at libertarianism? That seems like another word/concept that has escaped you. \n\nGood talk, I have to assume you’re trolling at this point.", "I'm of two minds about them.\n\nFirst, they're designer and cost €200!! Wtf!?!?\n\nSecond, it goes straight back to the company to fund the clean up effect.\n\nSwings and roundabouts.", "We share a blame in that. We ship a lot of our waste to those 3rd world countries.", "How much fuel will the ships be burning to do this?", "it doesn’t even specifically mention the US is doing it, stating developed countries are doing it. It would not be an issue if the recycling businesses actually did what they said they would instead of cutting corners to make a buck. what could potentially be a very profitable and clean industry to build their economies is instead being vilified due to bad actors", "There it is, pragmatism, the cry of the coward who actually doesn't want anything to change. Now now, we can't make the world a better place, we have to be PrAgMaTiC. Keep believing in incrementalism, look at what it got us with Biden.", ">Im sure they went though hundreds of iterations of crappy prototypes before they landed on the iphone1.\n\nAnd if they had stopped there, we wouldn't have iPhones.\n\nWhich could be a good or a bad thing depending on your point of view. iPhones weren't a great example to pick, but as I said you can apply this to literally any human invention since we got fire down, so pick your favorite.", "I view it as blame should be placed on the actor not the source, yes it wouldnt be as big a problem if we didnt produce so much trash, but it would also never have been a problem if the actor in question didnt do this", "I like the saying that ocean is made of water drops. \n\nOf course doing something to one piece of a puzzle won't bring immediate change. That's the point of a puzzle. There's, well, multiple pieces in it.", "It astounds me that we are quite honestly, the lowest on the food chain of pollutants. Our day to day touched nothing of the global emissions. \n Until you look a little more in the weeds. If we ALL stopped buying online, oceanic emissions would fall. If we ALL cut down on electric usage, or switched to renewables, it would cut utility emissions. If we ALL car pooled, went inside for a meal instead of drive through, etc. it would cut down on those emissions. But we ALL have to commit. Corporations the most.", "But even if your leg stops bleeding right at that moment, you still have to clean the floor at some point...", "I’ve been watching these guys who are taking unrecycleable plastic, melting it at a temperature lower than the burning point, and making 2x4x8 lengths out of it. Their testing stuff right now, but it seems pretty cool to me. Instead of buying the new plastic edging, or new plastic patio chairs, use these", "People on reddit, in fact in this very sub, in fact in this very chain, throw a fit when states like CA introduce legislation that aims to reduce waste. You should see the outrage when Starbuck introduced the sippy lid. It was a sight to behold.", "But also companies that are polluting do so for the consumer. So yes, one person changing their habits is gonna hardly do anything and it's the larger polluters who need to change, but we also need to accept that the larger polluters aren't just polluting for fun - they do it because it's how the modern economy we all take part in works.", "So I'm not sure where I'm going with this but for years, maybe more than a decade I had this sense of self pride for how good I am at recycling. Like really jacked myself off over it, I put my reusable materials in the recycle bin and brought it to the end of my driveway every Tuesday night how fucking great am I?!\n\nWasn't til recently that I actually started really paying attention to the recycling labels on shit that I realized that a) I'm doing everything wrong and b) just how much shit can't be recycled.\n\nI would never rinse out my jars and rip the labels off. That aluminum can of tomato sauce? Yeah that would wind up in the recycle bin unrinsed with the label still on and the murder-sharp pull tab top somewhere deep within the rest of the junk. Oh those aluminum wrappers on my granola bars? In the bin they went, no idea that multilayered material can't be accepted! Oh shit that huge cylinder of quaker oats is made of paper, in the recycle bin it goes right? WRONG IDIOT. How about my greasy-ass pizza box? Hell no you miserable failure. Oh shit what about this plastic tube that holds my 11 month old's crunchy snacks? Yeah in the bin you go bitch, right?! Nahhh the tube can be recycled but you left the label on and that's a no-no.\n\nI find it hard to believe anyone actually knows how to recycle properly, I'm surprised there's no education on this but then again if it's not something people can profit from then it's probably not worth anyone's time eh", "Yeah, I think the Interceptor is a fantastic invention as it doesn't pour our litres of diesel per minute of use. \n\nNot just microplastics, but any plastic that doesn't float, which is most of them.", "A lot of people don’t realise reduce reuse recycle is a strict hierarchy\nDo [action] wherever possible and only if you can’t move to the next option on the list", "Hi Reddit,\nI don't know if someone is paying for this thread to be so positively received or what's happening, but the overall positive sentiment around this is based on misinformation.\n\nThere have been some callouts about \"older\" articles that have been criticizing this project, so I'll share a relatively [new one](https://gizmodo.com/the-dream-of-scooping-plastic-from-the-ocean-is-still-a-1847890573/amp).\n\nTL;DR is: Environmental scientists are more [skeptical](https://twitter.com/RebeccaRHelm/status/1450966406313480194) of the methodologies used by the ocean cleanup than the media and billionaire donors. The cleaning technology does not know prevent or know the impact of how many creatures it kills form the surface - this is essentially trawling ocean life that lives on the surface. The project is good intentioned, but not scientifically sound or responsibly led.\n\nPlease don't donate to sound bites. Donate to Science.", "Fun fact: it's more energy efficient to accelerate an object to solar system escape velocity than it or so decelerate (i know that's not a word) it into a solar trajectory.", "Jesus … who the fuck cares about that with this job?", "Let’s imagine you and a friend decide to go on a trip to a restaurant across town. This place is a pain in the ass to get to, but it’s so good it’s worth the trip. \n\nYour friend proposes a route that’s gonna take awhile, because you’re traveling across town, and that means traffic, stop lights, and roads that aren’t always very efficient. \n\nYou suggest a “better” idea: “let’s just demolish all of the roads and buildings between us and the restaurant, and build a new road that goes straight there - this is clearly the only way we’ll fix the commute”. \n\nYour friend looks at you sideways and explains that this is ridiculous, and obviously you can’t just destroy a functioning city just to get to your destination. \n\nYou then turn on your friend, and accuse them of not even wanting to go to the restaurant to begin with. When they point out that your approach is ridiculous, you accuse them of not even liking the food the restaurant serves to begin with. You then blame the fact that it takes so long to get to that restaurant on your friend and people like them for not being willing to destroy the town. \n\nAs long as you continue to interact so childishly with people who actually have the same end goals, you’re as much of a problem as you claim “pragmatists” are. \n\nWe can absolutely make the world a better place, and we should. If you were paying any attention, you’d recognize that other fundamental changes must happen before progressives can make any progress. Voting rights, no more big money in politics, republicans held accountable for their crimes, etc. \n\nPretend for a moment that Biden was willing to implement your plan for a new economy tomorrow - what would happen? \n\nAbsolutely nothing, because he’d be blocked at every turn. Other changes must come first, period. \n\nPragmatism is not the opposite of action. Pragmatism isn’t about throwing your hands in the air and saying “oh well, might as well not try”. It’s about accepting reality, and then forming strategies/ making moves that will actually have an impact within that reality. \n\nAnd if you keep projecting/injecting your own version of what people like me really believe and want to achieve, you’re only going to hurt the cause in the process.", "The money here is being used to help realize & refine preventive measures to reduce that number. Such as the [Interceptor](https://youtu.be/pXDx6DjNLDU), building \"trash infrastructure\" in areas where it doesn't exist (thus it lands in the rivers and eventually in the ocean).\n\nYes, it is very discouraging to see that big of a number but that doesn't mean the 30 mil donation will be futile because the \"30 mil pounds removed\" is only the catchy marketing line that seems more impactful to the average joe. When in reality the removal of these 30 mil pounds will be the side effect of the 30 mil investment in TheOceanCleanup & Ocean Conservancy. Those two orgs will split the funds and are not looking to fight symptoms over taking on the root of the problem.\n\nEspecially for TheOceanCleanup, who've already been making big strides, this money will go a long way.", "But if X is inefficient to the point it is a waste of resources that would be more effectively directed elsewhere, doing X is a bad decision. There's more than two options. Basically, people are saying out of all the options for removing plastic already in the oceans, this probably one of the least efficient things you could have done.", "Yeah as far as I know the 30 mil pounds is supposed to be the side effect of taking on the root of the problem & working on more efficient mass solutions", "Good on him—no go dump that trash in the middle of coastal cities rimming the Pacific Ocean.", "Agent Smith was right: human beings are a disease.\n\nIf I had anything to give, I would give it to this man. Out there doing what matters, making it happen. Not wasting his genius at a greedy corporation making other people rich.", "Lol if you think I'm gonna read what is most likely some shit analogy for why it's ok to continue to deny people basic human rights.", "Without going into depth, circulation and microplastics, this is the scale of the issue:\n\nPlastic by size: [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111913.g002](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111913.g002)\n\nPlastic by weight: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111913.g003", "Just ordered a pair of the sunglasses!", "Oh its even worse than that.\n\nI worked at a Ross, stock manager, and in my time there I would obviously handle most all of the items we had for the store.\n\nMost of the clothing Ross will get is on those stupid hangers. That we are told to take off. To put our own reusable ones on. Which is great because Ross gets their stuff from overstock or unsellables, so they dont order them like that, but thats not the end of it. They normally send clothing to be processed and tagged before they reach the store, but they leave all the plastic on them.\n\nThe Ross I worked at was the smallest for my state. And I would throw away at least 8+ 55 gallon bags filled with JUST PLASTIC, that is pushed down for room, every single day. Every single shirt is individually wrapped in plastic. Every pair of pants. Shoes are sometimes stuffed with plastic instead of paper inserts. Some shirts even had plastic separators inside the shirt inside a plastic bag!! That is held in the set by another damn bag!\n\nIn my time at the largest ross store in my area they threw away over 15+ bags of just plastic every day.\n\nI would NOT be shocked if clothing companies are the top plastic polluters.", "The answer was covered in the video.", "I lost heart sitting at my office desk one evening. There's a recycle can and a waste can in the office. I use them accordingly.\n\nCustodial crew came through the area and proceeded to dump both bins into the same large can they were collecting office trash into. Why bother on my part...", "Makes me optimistic. Off to buy their sunglasses!", "From the great theatrical reveals, the happy ceo giving speeches, merchandising, and the donation asking and sponsor requests. This stinks of the cash grab startups that have no direction and larger than life goals, astronomical running costs with very little returns. I feel as though we'll see crash and burn with a \"How did this happen?\" not too far away.", "Your beliefs/resolve must be pretty weak if you can’t handle even reading something that might counter them. \n\nThanks for proving my point.", "I imagine hydrodams are built higher than human settlements and don't see much pollution. That is a neat fact though", "From the great theatrical reveals, the happy ceo giving speeches, magical technology \"reclaimed plastics\", too good to be true merchandising, and the donation asking and sponsor requests. This stinks of the cash grab startups that have no direction and larger than life goals, astronomical running costs with very little returns. I feel as though we'll see crash and burn with a \"How did this happen?\" not too far away.", "The plastic companies could be helping pay for this. We could just tax new plastic creation, incentivize them to collect and recycle it.", "When are they going to stop letting ships dump there trash in the ocean???", "They are too busy building bigger boats so they don’t have to see garbage.", "You're not the hero here and you're definitely not a good person for continuing to advocate for and support policies that are killing people.", "And yet again, thanks for proving my point. \n\nCiao.", "As they explain in the video, they're busy demonstrating that the system actually works, in order to obtain the funding to ramp up the operation. And hopefully in a few decades they won't need to burn fossil fuels either.\n\nAs for addressing the real problem, there are plenty of people working on that too. It turns out it's not as simple as telling third world countries to stop their populations from dumping.", "That really depends on how much fuel they will be burning to do this, which is why I asked the question.", "At my place of work there's a \"battery box,\" a tupperware container where people put the little batteries from their calculators and cameras. Outside is a dumpster twice the size of my apartment that gets emptied every other week. I hear ya.", "i have a step ladder", "That’s true. It isn’t feasible to remove plastic entirely, or even to reduce its use much.", "Where do they put all that trash tho?", "I'm sure this seems like a great idea. However that blob is the great pacific life patch for a lot of small, rare and birthing marine animals. Just because they're small doesn't mean they're common, that's their home. It took forever to find out that eels are born deep in the sea, essentially as plankton. They can get 6' long- is it a good idea to \"clean\" something like sterlizing an island?", "how does this avoid harming marine life ? Won't fish get stuck in it too.", "Same, I never knew my real ladder", "Meanwhile in certain countries they're backing up trucks to the ocean and dumping their dumping in.", "Yees. AND YOUR ARGUMENT IS?", "They’re going to need a bigger net. One about the size of Australia.", "This project does also focus on the rivers that are inputting trash into the ocean though. \n\nThey are also aware that it is a colossal task, the systems will have incremental upgrades and updates, they have demoed a proof of concept in recycling the plastic by partnering with a sunglass manufacturer, and they have plans to move to more sustainable fuels.\n\nThis is not just a vapid feel good project.", "> It's almost all so degraded it can't be used for anything except burning it\n\nThis is super blatant misinformation.\n\nAccording to The Ocean Cleanup's own data, 75% of Fibrous Plastic is recyclable, along with 55% of Hard Plastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_10gmQhPw&t=3298\n\nOcean plastics are about 47/52 (numbers [from the same presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_10gmQhPw&t=2350)), so on average 65% of the recovered ocean plastic is recyclable.", "I really wish this received more attention(the cleanup), because in twenty years or so, this will be seen as a historically significant event.", "Watching a video from r/videos... what a strange concept.", "Lol we've come full circle \n\n1st world country: Ship garbage to 3rd world country\n\n3rd world country: Throw garbage in ocean\n\n1st world country: Catch garbage in ocean back to 1st world country", ">e.g my other comment in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjfno56/\n\nI guess you missed the part where [The Ocean Cleanup actually fixed the problem](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjggrsb/?context=1) you were complaining about?\n\n>No well intentioned charity would employ bots/astroturfing.\n\nI think you're confusing \"redditors who aren't dumbasses\" with bots/astroturfing.", "\"Well guys we collected all this trash, where the hell do we put it?\"\n\n\"Somewhere nobody lives, maybe the ocean!\"", "Sometimes its just fun to post a diatribe and bitch about something....", "My apartment's garbage collection service does the same... Same with the last apartment I lived at... And I'm sure the next will too :( it's disheartening for sure.", "> they're busy demonstrating that the system actually works\n\nBut it doesn't. It's way too time consuming, labor intensive, resource intensive and expensive to be even remotely practical.\n\nEven if you multiplied their effort by 1000 times it would still be a small fraction of what's being dumped into the ocean daily.", "Dont get me wrong, I like this project, but dont we need thousands of those ships to clean the oceans?", "GO FUCK YOURE MOUTH RIGHT NOW!!!\n\n\nI HATE REDDIT.\n\ni WILL NEVER LEAve.\n\nredditoir for 15 hyeaRSA", "My household reduced our waste to only needing one bin pickup a month but I work in retail and I am constantly unwrapping layer upon layers of plastic to access stock to put on the shelf so I’m not sure if I’m even doing anything.", ">As he has already stated, the plastic is so degraded\n\nYSK that what he \"already stated\" is full of shit.\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjhw1qw/?context=1](/r/videos/comments/qn8bw7/the_ocean_cleanup_begins_cleaning_the_great/hjhw1qw/?context=1)", "fuvk", "No we’re not, fuckface!\n/s", "There 3 or four in a hour of where I live on the Ohio River", "Everything from this current project will go to landfills where a some of it will blow away into the environment, reach waterways, and come right back to the ocean.", "They're likely using the means available to them. Given they are not for profit... they're already working on net zero emissions for their process and removing waste in the ocean which no one else is tackling...but sure", "> spending 100x\n\nSource? Or is this number pulled out of your ass?\n\n(spoiler alert: he pulled it out of his ass, aka \"common sense,\" aka \"common stupidity\")", "This is like saying \"According to Coca-Cola's OWN data, plastic is good for the environment!\" \n\nThat presentation doesn't even link to the source material/methodology. \n\nTOC has, on multiple occasions, dramatically misrepresented the science. A few months ago they posted a blog stating that \"every year about a million tonnes of plastic pollution enters the world's oceans.\" They then [link](https://theoceancleanup.com/updates/why-we-must-clean-the-ocean-garbage-patches/) to their research. Huh? \n\nAll other studies estimate it at around 11 million. [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba9475](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba9475)\n\nThat is a HUGE discrepancy. If there's scientific uncertainty around that number, then TOC needs to address it. But if your sole mission is to rid the world's oceans of plastic, wouldn't you want to have a solid idea of how much plastic is going into the ocean and not underestimate it by a factor of 11?! And because I don't think the engineers and scientists with TOC are stupid, this gross misrepresentation would seem to be deliberate. \n\nSo, here's a great INDEPENDENT [study](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0956053X20305407#!) that explains the challenges of recycling salvaged ocean plastic (also note that only about 15% of ocean plastic is floating on the water's surface, which TOC targets. 70 percent is on the ocean floor.) \n\n\"The mechanical recycling of marine plastic waste also poses a greater challenge than recycling land-based waste because marine waste can contain a considerable amount of sand, salt, shells, algae and marine plants, some even stuck to the surface of the waste. The density of sand and sediments is typically 2.65 g/cm3, so they can probably be separated by traditional methods based on density difference (Fazey and Ryan, 2016, Hidalgo-Ruz et al., 2012, Iñiguez et al., 2016). In addition to contaminants, degradation induced by weather and the environment is also a problem. Plastic waste can heat up to 40 °C on seashores, which further accelerates weathering and degradation by sunlight. If the same plastic floats in seawater at the same location, degradation is slower due to the lower temperature (Andrady, 1990, Andrady, 2011, Andrady, 2017, Pegram and Andrady, 1989), and also because foulants on floating waste filter out some of the solar UVR (ultraviolet radiation) that is responsible for starting oxidative processes (Weinstein et al., 2016). \"\n\nIn their study of PET bottles, they find: \n\n\"It was found that, in this period, the HDPE caps of bottles are damaged but not enough to let water into the bottle, which would cause the bottle to sink. It was shown that the material of the PET bottles is damaged as a result of UV radiation, the molecular chains get shorter but degradation slows with time. \n....For this reason, functional tests were performed on injection moulded samples. It was shown that, due to weathering and degradation during recycling, transparency is significantly impaired, and considerable colouring also occurs (colours shifted towards brown). The strength and rigidity of the parts does not change noticeably. However, the rigidity of the recycled parts is an issue which manifested itself in the reduction of strain at break and fracture energy.\"", ">but it would also never have been a problem if the actor in question didnt do this\n\nYes it would?! I mean the trash doesn't magically disappear if developing countries don't take it.", "40°C is equivalent to 104°F, which is 313K.\n---\n^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)", "Can I ask a question? In these single stream recycling plants how do they sort everything. And how do things like envelops with plastic viewing windows get recycled? Doesn't the plastic from the window contaminate it?", "Good about time! The Chesapeake Bay is the country’s largest cesspool! Most of the counties in that area installed single pipe (combined) drainage and sewer infrastructure and anytime they get heavy rain the water overflows that system causing raw sewage to flow unchecked into the tributaries and then the bay… such a shame.", "San Francisco bay just north of SFO is littered with literally hundreds of shopping carts that pop up during low tide. I'm assuming they come from the homeless, because that's usually who I see with stolen shopping carts.", "I don't have any experience with marine conservation, so I can't be too helpful on the topic at hand. But, as long as the nets they're dragging to pick up the trash aren't catching wildlife or destroying coral, I don't see how they could be considered detrimental at all.\n\nI do have experience in other forms of conservation and have seen charity groups get very catty and criticize each other, claiming the other's form of conservation is \"harmful by not being as helpful as theirs\", which is absurdly stupid, all of these groups are helpful.\nThese groups are often working for funding from similar donors, so they spew this catty nonsense.\n\nJust because one form of conservation isn't as good as another, doesn't mean they all aren't helpful (sorry for this terribly structured sentence, I'm too tired to rewrite it).", "And here's yet [another study](https://rua.ua.es/dspace/bitstream/10045/79489/5/2018_Iniguez_etal_WasteMan_preprint.pdf) published in the journal Waste Management that looks at the four main types of marine plastic—Nylon, Polyethylene (PE), Polypropylene (PP), Polyethylene terephthalate—and concludes \"These changes make mechanical recycling unfeasible, since the quality of the recycled material is insufficient to ensure a high virgin material substitution rate.\"\n\nNow please stop spreading super blatant misinformation :)", "I read the article and disagree with what they’re saying. Inaction is worse than not doing the best action. Sure this isn’t the best approach but the article pokes holes at the project rather than provide solutions (see the smaller than 1 cm plastics argument.) After working for large corporations I’ve realized you can never execute on the best solution, politics makes that impossible. But you need to act rather than do nothing. Quite frankly I’d wager there are very few scientists who have actually l operated a business before.", "I don’t buy it.", "Nah, doesn't add up. It doesn't add up that on every single one of the TOC threads there is a whole horde of Redditors downvoting every skeptical comment and fervently defending TOC and calling anything otherwise \"bullshit\" and trying to debunk peer-reviewed science with TOC PR messaging.\n\nIf you truly cared about removing ocean plastics, you would want to champion the best solution. You wouldn't rabidly defend one single entity against criticism unless you were somehow in on it. (Not to mention criticism is important to help these orgs succeed and grow—I'm glad to see TOC is now investing much more in river cleanup.) \n\nPeople who care about the cleanliness of the ocean should be pushing for tough government regulations on single-use plastic, penalties for ghost fishing gear, and river interception, not using fuel-powered Maersk ships to clean up ocean patch garbage as a media stunt.", "Reminds me of a joke I saw all over the place a few years ago. Something like 40% of all the worlds plastic in the garbage patch and ocean in general is discarded fishing nets and someone was like \"Y'all will fish for trash to save fish but you won't stop eating fish to save fish.\" \n\nLarge scale aquaculture and fish farming has its own set of issues but commercial fishing as it exists today is basically just commercial hunting and at every point in history where we had commercial hunting of any species they either went extinct or came very close to extinct before the practices were banned.\n\nBut yes... reduction is the easiest solution as well. Stop buying soda and single use plastic shit we don't need.", "I literally never heard of it until Mark Rober/Mr Beast.", "Finally some good news", "I'm just thinking of the irony that at some point somebody will be wearing a pair of these glasses on a cruise and they'll get knocked off and fall into the ocean.", "I use them to carry all my old car batteries to the ocean with me, then just toss it in after", "So, this stuff just sits around on land? Breaking down, albeit slower, until it’s small enuf to be washed back into the water cycle?", "If speed doesn’t matter - why use boat with engines????\n\n“We look to fix an issue” ~ while using a direct derivative of the issue \n\nIt’s silly. This could be done with sail boat/wind power yielding a negative carbon rate but people throw money at morons who already had millions.", "Can you please help me step brother?", "i was really expecting a “what are you doing, step ladder?", "Not to mention that a lot of recyclables don't wind up getting recycled but instead 'outsourced' to 3rd world countries where they are incinerated or thrown in a landfill just as surely as if you never bothered to put it in a recycling bin to begin with.\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/17/recycled-plastic-america-global-crisis", "Really good points. Like most big projects, there's always lots of people arguing why its hard and pointless, and a few people getting on with it.", "I am incredibly suspicious about this project.Here are a few reasons why\n\n1. The plastic they gathered shows absolutely no evidence of bio accumulation. I.e usually marine life gathers around plastic and it is degraded to a certain degree even discoloured. All the plastic they captured looks extremely clean. Unless this plastic was incredibly new how the hec is this possible?\n\n2. The whole thing is building towards a massive crowd funding campaign spearheaded by mr beast and a whole bunch of social media personalities just like how team trees has completely disappeared from the spotlight team seas also seems to be headed in the same direction. There is no accountability here just blind faith. \n\n3. The plastic that is captured is repurposed and sold as different items like sunglasses. This is also another reason why I am not sure about this project. Permanent means of disposal need to be looked at if not the plastic is just going to end up back in the sea. \n\n3. For these reasons I hope beyond hope that I am wrong but I am cautious nevertheless. Following the money trail is the only way to find the truth.", "I'm on drugs. Do you want a ladder doorstep brother?", "Before you were on it.", "They're taking to the plastic junk out of the ocean to make plastic junk sunglasses that will wind up back in the ocean?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nk", "galaxy brain", "I rest my case", "You forgot overwhelmingly male.", "The Pacific Ocean touches America, unless you mean the garbage patch itself being on the opposite side of the globe, which doesn’t seem to be entirely true:\n\n“The gyre is divided into two areas, the \"Eastern Garbage Patch\" between Hawaii and California, and the \"Western Garbage Patch\" extending eastward from Japan to the Hawaiian Islands.”\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch", "[Great Pacific garbage patch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch) \n \n >The Great Pacific garbage patch (also Pacific trash vortex) is a garbage patch, a gyre of marine debris particles, in the central North Pacific Ocean. It is located roughly from 135°W to 155°W and 35°N to 42°N. The collection of plastic and floating trash originates from the Pacific Rim, including countries in Asia, North America, and South America. The gyre is divided into two areas, the \"Eastern Garbage Patch\" between Hawaii and California, and the \"Western Garbage Patch\" extending eastward from Japan to the Hawaiian Islands.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "That... Is going to kill a lot of sea life.", "There needs to be Legislation that requires manufacturers to reduce the amount of materials use in packaging. It's at least a start.", "Dope AF", "Counter-point: If everyone acted perfectly all the time, there wouldn't be any problems. \n\nFucking solved.\n\nEasy.", "I've also followed your character arc and it's not a happy ending. It ends with the epiphany that 90% of the recyclables you DID correctly recycle also don't get recycled because it was all bullshit to begin with. And then with your town discontinuing recycling because China stopped accepting our shiploads of trash from overseas and it cost too much so everyone just said \"fuck it!\" So now the steel cans and the number 1 and 2 plastic and the carboard all go right in the trash. And they all lived happily ever after, the end!", "Couple of things. \n\nOne, that article is from 2018 and based on the autonomous version of the device.\n\nTwo, that was obviously before he did the river trash capture leg of the project.\n\nEither way. At best this article is way out of date and needs to be updated.\n\nAt worst it might be completely inaccurate because of how much the project is changed.\n\nThey also comment on the micro-plastics issue. I haven't a clue how to solve that problem. I thought micro-plastics came from larger plastics disintegrating, but while that may be some of the cause, the majority comes from things like synthetic clothing. Which I can avoid to reduce. But tires are another significant problem and that can only be improved by formulations but I don't even know how you could change tires. Basically just have to switch to trains to use steel instead of rubber.", "For the fishing nets. What about a core charge? Whenever you buy a new alternator or compressor for your car. Anything that has valuable metal in it or otherwise. You pay a core charge of anything from 30 to a few hundred bucks. You get that back when you return your old part for them to rebuild and resell.\n\nIn this case, return the old fishing net for proper disposal. To me this seems like a fairly simple/straight forward solution to incentivize actually returning the net rather than just cutting it loose.\n\nThough I'm not a fisher. I'm not sure how often they just cut it loose because they cant be bothered to bring it in vs it getting stuck in something and them realistically having no choice but to leave it behind.", "Good work Mr Beast already cleaning up the oceans!", "They're also developing and employing technology to clean up the top polluting rivers. Mark Rober and Mr. Beast on youtube just did a whole thing on it.", "Team seas also", "...created by China and India.", "I was always a fan of reading, righting, and rithmatic", "China, Indonesia, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Thailand, and the United States are the top contributing countries.\n\nIndia didn't make the list.", "Wow a load of bullshit that article is, and why would you parrot what it is saying? So doing nothing is better? They are literally taking thousands of pounds of garbage out of the ocean at a time. There is literally no downside to that.\n\nSuch a defeatist attitude. You're lame.", "It’s great what they are doing and l hope more people can do that. On the other hand l also hope lots of leaders in the world can make sure their people don’t dump trash in rivers, seas and oceans. Fining them harshly for that would be a good start. In some poor countries dumping stuff is a normal thing.", "Should turn it into 3d printing filament", "Looks like a big ocean condom.", "Stupid question but can we dump trash into space?", "Their mess didn't float far enough, huh?", "How shitty is that guy going to feel when he pulls up an entire load of his sunglasses", "Why are there so many fucking laundry baskets", "I bet Bezos got a good view of the clean up from space.", "Man you swallowed the whole boot..", "I applaud their efforts and I don't mean to diminish them but now what? Plastic in a landfill is better than the ocean or what? \n\nI hope we can get away from such flippant use of plastics especially in short lived products/disposables", "Right? It wasn't just reddit, the people that said this would never work were all over the place. Not me, I believed in this guy.", "What happens when they find their sunglasses in their harvested waste 😬", "I spent a week on a tiny island In the Pacific called wake Island. Spent a lot of time walking the shores... I wish I counted all the bouys I saw. But I swear it was around 100 ever 20 feet or so. Just scattered on the beach everywhere. Tons of other rubber and garbage. That's when I realized how screwed our oceans were.", "Tell me you’re too stupid to have an intelligent response without saying you’re stupid", "Doing the Lord's work.", "While they are out there maybe they could tow it beyond the environment.", "This is super important, impressive, and meaningful. So why the Disney friggen music theme?", "What did they do with the plastic after they get it? You got a joke", "I literally googled if jason slatt is trying to take over the world", "Nice keep it up !", "A lot of it is from fishing vessels. It's awful to see videos of nets and buoys getting fished out", "Let get that bread", "\\#teamseas", "How are they Asian countries responsible for this mess not embarrassed", "Especially when mr beast starts a campaign that completely ignores the fishing part of ocean pollution", "For real this guy is low key leaving behind the greatest legacy in history and he seems super humble about it too.", "Cool", "Exactly", "They should make a “Deadliest Catch” style tv show about this boat, then get others competing and get the ocean cleaned up.", "> I would NOT be shocked if clothing companies are the top plastic polluters.\n\n[According to a 2020 Study, its Coca Cola and soda companies in general; by a huge margin.](https://www.statista.com/chart/23720/worst-polluting-companies/)\n\nCompanies that produce chemical consumables like soaps, detergents and cosmetics are the next worst (Unilever, Proctor and Gamble etc)\n\nAnd then general food companies after that(specifically ones that are market leaders in snack goods and candies it seems).\n\nMakes a certain amount of sense when you consider how much food we eat versus how many new shirts you typically buy; the scale of per units per costumer per year is simply way higher.", ">Nah, doesn't add up.\n\nParanoid narcissism. \"Could I be wrong? No, it must be a conspiracy against me!\"\n\n>If you truly cared about removing ocean plastics, you would want to champion the best solution.\n\nAll-or-nothing thinking, combined with ignorance of how plastic moves through the ocean system.\n\n>fuel-powered Maersk ships to clean up ocean patch garbage as a media stunt.\n\nToxic fatalism and misinformation.\n\nGot anything good or worthwhile? Or even a decent, non-fallacy-riddled argument?", "Why doesn’t stuff like this get more attention and more funding? Why does Blah blah blah get all the press when this dude has actually done something?", "it would be ironic to find a bunch of those sunglasses spill out from the nets.", "The Ocean Cleanup has literally recycled polypropylene (PP) plastics coming from ghost nets into high-quality sunglasses (which have to be rated for extreme conditions like automobile accidents, etc), so this \"study\" is obviously bogus.\n\nThanks for playing.\n\n>Now please stop spreading super blatant misinformation :)\n\n\"I am rubber you are glue.\"\n\nNice come-back.", "Modern plastics don't even make it this far before they turn into micro plastic.", "Yummy", "It only took us this long? 😂😂😂", "80% of the trash in the oceans came from 1% of the rivers according to The Ocean Cleanup \n\nThey're making interceptor robots that removes those trash from the rivers before they even spread to the oceans in the first place.\n\nSo they're tackling the source of the problem so the pounds of trash that goes to the oceans yearly would decrease.\n\nHalf of the donations earned from Teamseas goes to making and improving those Interceptors, while half are going into cleaning up dirty beaches filled with garbage.\n\nSo they're trying to clean 30 million pounds, while also trying to decrease 17.6 billion pounds of trash dumped into the ocean yearly if I understand it right.", "yeah in theory, it'll never be cheaper than new plastic. There is a reason we use it for everything, it's dirt cheap. \n\nI'm all for cleaning up the oceans, but thinking this will turn a profit is a pipe dream. They should just stick to a charity.", "Recycle reduce reuse, we need more of this for our little ones.", "companies around the world", "Finally, thank you ocean clean up team!", "So we need 500 of these things to start fixing things. That's not unachievable, especially if there's a way to make a profit.", "IN 2070 they gonna expand to Orbit probably lol", "Odd how its only white men", "> a fucking Nobel prize\n\nagree", "In the amount of time one trip takes, the amount put back in has increased exponentially. No matter how you slice the math, it’s a feel good project. Unless you can stop the input, the Ocean Cleanup is nothing but a feel good project. I’m fully with them on their river project, as that will have much bigger dividends than the ocean cleanup itself. As I said earlier, their focus should be on the river, not the giant flotilla.", "> TOC has, on multiple occasions, dramatically misrepresented the science. A few months ago they posted a blog stating that \"every year about a million tonnes of plastic pollution enters the world's oceans.\" They then link to their research. Huh?\n> \n> All other studies estimate it at around 11 million. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba9475\n\n\nYour \"all other studies\" is.... two studies. [One study](https://slacc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/10.-Jambeck2015.pdf) estimates macroplastics just by.... guessing, based on assuming that an arbitrarily chosen percent of mismanaged waste will enter the oceans. It estimates this as \"4.8 to 12.7 million MT\" (which your linked-to study strangely mutates into \"~8 million metric tons\"). This may be a nice game to play with Excel, but it's not a serious empirical study.\n\n[The other study](https://holdnorgerent.no/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/IUCN-report-Primary-microplastics-in-the-oceans.pdf) is similarly outdated, and uses similarly problematic and simplistic \"source-based,\" assumption-driven modeling.\n\nThe Ocean Cleanup, on the other hand, actually went out and measured how much plastic was floating down rivers. Real, empirical data.\n\n> That is a HUGE discrepancy. If there's scientific uncertainty around that number, then TOC needs to address it. But if your sole mission is to rid the world's oceans of plastic, wouldn't you want to have a solid idea of how much plastic is going into the ocean and not underestimate it by a factor of 11?! And because I don't think the engineers and scientists with TOC are stupid, this gross misrepresentation would seem to be deliberate. \n\nThe Ocean Cleanup does* mention several intervening (and far better) studies, right there in the paper. And they explain why their empirical + modeling method yields more accurate results vs less sophisticated mathematical models used in previous studies.\n\nYour impugning The Ocean Cleanup's scientific integrity because their numbers disagree with an outdated crappy paper that you didn't bother to read or understanding is truly breathtaking levels of arrogance.\n\n>So, here's a great INDEPENDENT study that explains the challenges of recycling salvaged ocean plastic (also note that only about 15% of ocean plastic is floating on the water's surface, which TOC targets. 70 percent is on the ocean floor.) \n\n... a study which doesn't study actual recovered ocean plastic, but \"simulated\" lab-bench created ocean plastics (like this one does), is completely worthless.\n\nI trust the people who are actually getting their hands dirty and recycling ocean plastics over a phalanx of supposed \"experts\" from academia (\"those who can't, teach\") who postulate potential problems and solve none of them.\n\nYour non-constructive naysaying will be left in the dustbin of history, right where it belongs.", "Thats does make a lot of sense, stupid plastic companies not wanting people to save plastic tv dinner trays to reuse", "Real question: I've lived in SoCal for 37 years. What are the chances they're picking up trash I've thrown away?", "This comment is the super compressed and unpretentious version of this entire video. And it didn't even feel like an advertisement!", "The beauty of the cycle of nature.", "You forgot the first Point- first buy garbage products made in developing nations at bargain prices", "I don’t think that word means what you think it means.", "Again if it cleans up the patch we shouldn’t really care.", "Providing jobs that actually help humanity", "Ah yes all the Asian countries responsible for a garbage patch situated between Hawaii and California.", "We also should be giving more emphasis on researching a way to safely decompose plastic. Most aren't really reciclable and fiding a way to decompose them that don't bring a greater impact would be ideal. Even if we stop using plastic completely right now, there is already too much, that will slowly become microplastic and clog our blood.", "No threads in that sub bruss", "everyone coming together to make a difference", "It’s hard to imagine it now, but 60ish years ago those shores were pretty much pristine. Amazing how quickly we have screwed things up.", "And does it automatically wind up in the ocean like these idiots? no. we have domestic recycling that does just fine as well that doesn’t dump in the ocean.", "I can't afford to follow it.\n\nIt's not my fault that places sell 6x 1.5L of water for $3 cheaper than a 12L tank of water.\n\nI don't have the luxury of being able to do the right thing, because the right thing pretty much always costs more.", "There's just no need to phrase it like a \"correction\" when the other guy didn't say anything wrong. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.", "The first step is doing the math and not having sensationalist headlines that let us pat ourselves on the back and continue being ignorant and deluded into thinking we’re starting to make a difference at a rapid pace. I want change. I also want the recycling in my city (Los Angeles) to be recycled but it isn’t. We put it into the recycling bin and 97% of it goes to a landfill. But hey, at least we feel good about putting it in the right recycling can and lets us go on about our day worry free.", "What is so unbelievable is that the richest people of the world has no contribution in such things. Even though they can do it without putting any significant dent to their net worth.", "I didn't even know the Great Pacific Garbage Patch was a thing. I assume this is just where bunch trash piles up cause of all the currents? Jesus at such young age already making such an impact on the world.", "Actually a huge portion (some say majority) of that trash comes from industrial fishing operations. Just looking at the video you can see how nearly all of it is stuff used in fishing operations. So yeah, we need to clean up rivers, but this is largely an issue of industrial waste dumped on the ocean.", "more like the endless loop of hot ~~potato~~ garbage", "https://www.thecivilengineer.org/news-center/latest-news/item/1260-this-machine-produces-oil-from-plastic-waste\n\nPerhaps omething like that could be used? I get what you're saying, but removing plastic to make more plastic is a bit counterintuitive in my opinion.", "Can -1 be stopping this pollution In the first place? It's gotta be dropped there by someone. Who are the assholes responsible?", "It just sounds like a PR move. 'We've solved the great trash heap by tasking a fleet of ships with fishing it out. It will now become history!' Is really fun when you want a feel good story, but it's probably incredibly pollutive (just going from what I know about pollution from ocean shipping) and has a huge operation cost.\n\nMost of that stuff is dumped by the industrial fishing industry and I am not aware of anything having been done to change that. So it's also an uphill struggle. Maybe it'd be better to use that money to stop those companies from shitting on the environment, rather than effectively hiring a clean-up crew to clean up after them.", "You know, a good way to repurpose the plastic would be making spools of material for 3D Printers, with some sort of buyback program where you ship back the material that gets discarded from a given print, so test print/structural plastic during the printing process gets recycled instead of just ending up in the trash. \n\nSure, it’s a small market of people who would buy the plastic, but it could make 3D printing more affordable while repurposing the plastic and preventing it from just getting discarded again in its new form.", "How about the asinine tag holders on everything? Those are the epitome of grinding my gears", "One sort of solution would be to have 2 engines. 1 engine to get out to the patch, and another that is designed to be maximally efficient at 1.5 knots.", "The big issue is the same as when people protest consumer recycling as a corporate diversion from the actual issue at hand: There is a massive amount of trash dumped into the ocean (especially by the industrial fishing industry), and this does nothing to stop that, but instead invents an expensive process to mitigate that impact.\n\nSo I see this like a non-profit opening up its first of many envisioned AC facilities to cool the Earth.", "Is this effective ..capturing 9 tons of plastics burning about same in fuel ?", "Yeah, but this more like deciding to dig more sideways and so no longer progressing as fast to the bottom.", "Oh, so you are acquainted with my penis?", "What IP? You just need to provide the parts necessary for the customers to repair the devices on their own. This will increase the lifespan of said phone and reduce e-waste significantly. They go out of their way to prevent repairs by implementing software and hardware limitations.", "Yeah but now we have ships out trawling trash so we can just keep doing that and not feel guilty.", "Recyclable doesn't mean it will be recycled. There's already a glut of plastics all around the world that nobody wants and that goes into a landfill. And that's often pretty pristine plastic. I'm pretty sure this trash will be contaminated to hell, making it extremely undesirable for any operation.\n\nYeah we don't want it out in the ocean, but the solution to that is to get international legislation against industrial waste and to stop it at river mouths. \n\nThis sounds like a very expensive idea that will fizzle out extremely quickly while having only managed to put a dent in the yearly output of trash while it was ongoing.", "[There's also the floatees which were used to map ocean currents.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Floatees).", "More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch is from just one event - the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch is from just one event - the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "Japan should be funding a huge part of this because more than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch came from the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch came from the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch came from the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "Japan should certainly have a role in this as More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch came from the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "It wasn't all from waste thrown in the ocean. More than 20% of the waste that makes up the Great Pacific Garbage patch came from the 2011 Japanese Tsunami.", "Now imagine if one of those dickhead billionaires decided to single handedly scale this program up 100x…", "Need to factor in the global yearly plastic waste, [which stands at 8 million tons.](https://www.iucn.org/resources/issues-briefs/marine-plastics#:~:text=At%20least%208%20million%20tons%20of%20plastic%20end%20up%20in%20our%20oceans%20every%20year%2C%20and%20make%20up%2080%25%20of%20all%20marine%20debris%20from%20surface%20waters%20to%20deep-sea%20sediments.)\n\nWhat I don't like about this is mentioned in the article, under 'What Can be Done?':\n\n> Legal efforts have been made at the international and national levels to address marine pollution. [...] However, compliance with these laws is still poor, partly due to limited financial resources to enforce them. Existing international legally binding instruments should be further explored to address plastic pollution.\n\nSo yeah I'd love to see the vast amount of money needed to field a fleet of ships, fuel them and crew them, diverted into funding an enforcement apparatus to cut down on that pollution at the source.", "And don't forget ecyce", "That is also something that could become viable as the technology improves.\n\nContinuously trawling the trash from the ocean sounds to me like how they kept dumping massive ice cubes into the ocean in Futurama.", "I'm pretty sure most of them come from Oahu.", "Damn that's pretty legit", "Too late. They've already got Maersk taking up that real estate.\n\nMost likely Maersk heavily funded their current fleet. They've been going heavily towards sustainability.", "Exactly, if I simply become the problem it’s a lot easier to solve", "This makes me so happy and hopeful", "For some reason I see a drooling happy face.", "We are allowed to pat ourselves on the back. What you are saying is akin to telling someone to stop celebrating they survived cancer because we still don’t have a cure.", "I wonder how much is at the bottom of the ocean", "\\#TeamSeas\n\nDonate if you can, it's already like halfway to it's goal and it's been a week!", "An influencer being involved means more people see it and more people donate.\n\nIt’s all over YouTube right now, it wouldn’t be anywhere near as visible as it is without this kind of advertising.", "Seriously, is there a Nobel prize in environmentalism? This guy would be a prime candidate.", "It is, once you fish out all the metric shit-tons of garbage that have been in the ocean for years now. Trash wheels at river mouths won't get rid of those. And until we get there, both is good.", "It's 30 million pounds of trash from rivers and the sea. The company linked above has a primary goal of stopping the source, i.e. the rivers. And then once they've stopped the most aggregious rivers then they plan to start cleaning up the oceans for real. But it's not just about slapping down robots that catch trash from rivers. There has to be infrastructure laid down in the towns who's trash leads in to the river. A lot of them don't have an actual means of disposing waste, and so it ends up being litter on the roads and rain washes it into the river, or just directly dumped in the river.", "Speaking of trash, remember C\|net a few years ago? They're turning things around, gg.", "Google is free", "it’s a both way problem. If there is an product in sustainable packing and in plastic, but the first one is little more expensive, people have to choose first. That’s what steers the companies", "Cleaning up the ocean is basically impossible, unless we want to spend tens of trillions of dollars doing it. \n\nRecycling plastic is economically nonviable at current new plastic prices.\n\nRecycled plastic is pretty shitty compared to new plastic. \n\nIt's sort of silly to take a bunch of plastic shit out of the ocean and then sell it as new plastic shit.", "You are right but it is important that projects like this exist. We need to both reduce the amount of trash that enters the oceans and remove the huge amounts already in there.", "Wouldn't all the plastic they remake into plastic stuff eventually end up back in the ocean again and how much is flowing out into the ocean the same time they remove it? I am being a bit nagitive but they are barely making a difference, I can feel all good about myself if I buy a bracelet or sunglasses but the ocean is and will remain polluted unless a bunch of companies and trillions of dollars get poured into the effort.", "Google makes 4.3 billion in revenue off my country and pays 26 mil in taxes. That's why Google is free.", "My question is what are they going to do with the plastic trash they captured? Because if you are going to burn it it will be bad for the climate.", "So we need groups actively collecting plastic pollution on the river mouths right? That's how we stop this?", "Yeah good luck with that lol", "Couldn’t care less. Use it next time or risk sounding just as ignorant as you did in your first reply.", " Wish Musk & Bezos would fucking chip into this rather than a rocket dick measuring contest", "I am far more impressed by this than seeing a billionaire go to space in a huge….", "Firdt the trucks dump everything into our tipping floor, the spotter is supposed to take any large non-recyclables and toss them aside for disposal. A front-end loader pushes the recycling on the first set of conveyors, these go through a pre-pre sort room where 2 sorters per line pick off what trash they can. These lines fall onto a set of OCC screens (old corrugated cardboard) the cardboard is generally big enough to hop over the screens while everything else falls through, large containers do make it over but they're tossed back onto the line that passes under the screens. The OCC gets baled at this point. Everything else goes through another pre-sort room where more contaminates are picked off. They drop onto a multilayer set of screens that are designed to let paper roll over them and everything else drops down to another conveyor. The paper at this point goes through an optical sorter that uses lasers to find plastic and shoots a puff of air to send the bags upwards into a vaccum system that pulls the bags to the residue pile. The paper then gets split between 2 sort lines where workers pick off as much contaminates as they can before the paper can get baled. The rest of the recycling goes through another set of screens to remove as much dirt and broken glass as it can. Everything that is left then passes through a magnet so steel is pulled off, an optical HDPE sorter where a workers picks off any contaminates in the HDPE and finally a PET optical sorter where workers again pick off as much contaminates as possible. Now the optical don't get everything so there's a few lines that feed to what we call the container line. It has a mix of just about everything on it and workers manually sort everything that's left, except aluminum. That gets flung off the very end of the line by an eddy current, it's an electromagnet that spins very fast creating a magnetic field that repels aluminum. Everything that's not flung off by it ends up on the residue belt where workers reintroduce recyclables that ended up on it back into the system. Everything else is trash.\n\n\nEnvelopes with the plastic windows would be thrown down a chute to the residue pile if found by a sorter, most of the time they won't be and end up in the mixed paper bales we send over seas.\n\n\nIt's a bit more complicated than I made it out to be and there's some conveyors and screens I didn't even touch on because they're basically useless.", "gaint quake symbol", "Nah, they only give the peace price to corrupt politicians and dictators", "I wonder about the rate at which more garbage is being added though. I guess even then it'd be worth the effort if it only kept the pile as big is it is and didn't let it get bigger but that certainly must be an important factor in any plan to get rid of the garbage pile altogether", "Wilson lol", "Oh, I thought this was about correctly identifying problems and not about calling brown people idiots before moving on. My bad.", "The idea that consumers alone can fix this is a very useful one for the corporations that actually ruin the environment.", "We should charge them storage for occupying the ocean and landfills.", "Crazy how country's and governments ain't doing shit like always, it always have to be private owner companies or individuals to do great in this world.", "Only a small fraction of the plastic entering the oceans is ending up in the surface waters of the gyres though, so really the balance needs to be much more heavily weighted toward present and upcoming pollution. \n\nRegarding accumulated pollution though, the gyres belch plastic onto beaches over time, better to put this effort and money into strategic beach cleanups than basically industrially fish the surface of the ocean with ships around the clock for years.", "Have you checked out the great bubble barrier? Quite a neat concept.\n\nIt gathers most of the plastics in the whole intersection of the river, w/o disturbing wildlife.", "That's been updated to 80% from 1000 rivers instead of 10 rivers.", "this is like saying after your house is flooded after someone forgot the kitchen sink's tap open that the only actually useful action is to close the tap.\n\nyeah no shit close the tap, but you still need to get rid of the water all over your house that you're knee-deep in.\n\nthese things are not mutually exclusive. fishing trash out of the rivers is very important and has to be done, but it only keeps the pacific garbage patch from growing doesn't make it disappear", "> Not trying to be rude: This kind of whataboutism isn’t helpful.\n\nIt isn't just whataboutism though. If a partial solution for one problem makes another serious problem worse, it may not be a great solution. There is a reason many biological oceanographers and marine debris specialists have serious concerns with this project.", "You’re just another example of someone in this thread seeing a comment that doesn’t immediately bow down to the circle jerk and instantly assume they’re some bad faith troll. \n\nAll that person was doing was pointing out that every human being on the planet is full of micro plastics and has been for a long long while. \n\n“Jesus, this black and white thinking has to stop” is fucking hilarious when you’re ignoring their point entirely. Whole lot of assumptions made on your end just so you can feel morally superior.\n\nDon’t be surprised when you get push back to the absolute genius plan of “let’s all just believe it can be better”", "All this sorta stuff overflows into other areas specifically pushing for better climate tech and climate change awareness in general.", "Completely unsuccessful because the amount of trees cut down each day dwarfs “his” entire contribution😘", "Losers on the internet always know better.", "This is what Bezos and the billionaires should spend their wealth on.", "Should I have toast for breakfast or cereal?\n\nSome Reddit dumfuck who just learnt a new word: WHAtaBOuTiSM!!!!!", "I could not like this more! Finally some good news about the huge pile of floating garbage that is largely composed of cast-off nets from commercial fishing. I wish there were U.S. Flagged Ships involved in this effort, considering the location of this trash. We get so much bad news these days, it's nice to see something working on the Pacific garbage patch. $199.00 sunglasses are out of reach for me, but a great idea also to promote products made from this trash. Thank you, for sharing a problem that is partnered with a solution.", "Nestle stealing valuable drinking water from impoverished communities\n\nReddit “intellectuals”: the real issue is sometimes people are grumpy 😾", "We spent a bajillion dollars to collect .00011% of the total size of this trash heap! Next we’re going to turn it into sunglasses, another piece of completely superficial consumerism!", "Because thats how you begin, test and scale. \nSolar and wind tech didnt produce enough energy or was cost-efficient 10 years ago, yet we kept doing it, testing, improving, developing.", "Removing the trash is definitely good but many of the fish are using them as shelter so removing it and leaving them stranded could be dangerous. \n\n\nLesser of two evils and all that", "Brain dead behaviour to asssume nestle is the only bad corporation. Your precious coca-cola ran fucking death squads in South America ffs, how the fuck are you giving them benefit of the doubt.", "I agree. Priority should ultimately be elsewhere regarding effort.\n\nBut this also needs to be done any way. It will break up eventually and is comparably easy to collect in contrast to microplastics.\n\nThe size of that garbage patch is unfathomable. What they do here can work as a signal. It will make for impressive pictures regarding the amount of pollution on the surface level, with a fitting iceberg metaphor for what we cannot see. It will grab more attention and the fact that they have plastic recycling tech as follow-up might also provide impulses in companies perceiving this waste as a new resource.\n\nThis perception could lead to harvesting methods at river mounds becoming an efficient way of cleaning.\n\nHowever regarding river pollution I really hope they get an even better solution in incentivizing people to throw their waste into bins instead of rivers. And delivering that waste to recycling companies.", "Same with planting X million trees without a long term plan or upkeep. It's a marketing ploy.", "Love how you can calmly and clearly explain your issues with something and Reddit smug fucks will always come along to call you a miserable, angry, dumb pos. \n\nLike is there a single person in this thread who isn’t hand waving all these issues away? Fucking mind numbing 🙃", "One of my best friends from college did a bunch of marketing and procurement on this project and when she told me about it I thought it was an awesome idea but assumed the ocean and some other forces would tear it to shreds. Really glad to see somebody doing anything about how nasty we’ve made our oceans. I really wish we’d stop dumping so much other shit in their too.", "Boom, roasted.", "Imagine if people got this angry at warranted skepticism around those cures for cancer that get a fluff piece on the news every few months", "recycling is the least important r, because it's mostly a scam. Even when you do separate everything and it gets picked up as recycling, chances are it won't be recycled. Corporations want you to not feel bad when you buy more plastic because you could recycle it and that's supposed to make it so that the plastic you buy isn't really trash, but material for more plastic. Reduce and reuse are where it's at. But it's often hard to avoid plastic when every single option at the supermarket is wrapped in it. Point is you're being played so companies can do whatever and not have you think about it but there's not much most people can do as we don't all have a backyard farm and the willingness to give up any foods we can't make at home. Don't feel sad, feel angry.", "Partially in response to some comments here, some my own musings...\n\nThe interesting bit is after this next paragraph.\n\nI do the minimum, I separate my recyclables ,and have reduced my use of plastics... I have a reusable water bottle, but I'll buy a bottle of whatever, and use that as a \"reusable water bottle\" despite the warnings not to.\n\nNow, my wife's friend lives in Turkey, and she commented one day that they don't separate their rubbish into different bins.\nInstead the refuse sites have an open employment thing going on where absolutely anyone can come down work for a while separating rubbish into separate processing areas... Recyclables, electrical, etc.\n\nProvided that there's a level of monitoring/control here, I think that's a great way to provide paid work for people. At the same time it overcomes the impact of those who don't bother separating their rubbish in the first place.\nI don't know whether it reduces resources sending out multiple vehicles to pick up multiple bins that may only have a couple of items in them, but I'm all for creating jobs for those that need them.\n\nShould this type of job need to exist in the first place? Well that's the argument, but in the meantime, I think it's a good thing.", "You should raise it with the city. If they aren’t violating an ordinance by doing so, then why aren’t the city ordinances more strict? If they are, then why aren’t they being enforced?", "Remember when Thunderf00t \"debunked\" this idea. Good ol times.", "Got two shirts coming Tuesday!", "That's part of the plan", "No theyre not fuck you idiot!", "I’d be all for a tax on plastic manufacturing and sale that goes directly to funding operations like these. Put some green responsibility into the producer", "That’s exactly what I’ve read and seen over the years. Especially about the ships and pollution. That only really started appearing when they actually finally figured how to catch the plastic successfully now. \nAs time goes on technologies and improvements will happen. You have to start somewhere now and this system 2 is proof of concept system 3 is going to be even bigger :-)", "First off, how do you know his footprint. Second, 23 million is a huge number and many people wouldn't have even considered participating if it wasn't for this initiative.\n\nDon't be stuck up and exclude those who can reach a wider audience.", "This is what mark rober’s part of team seas is doing, it’s cool stuff, they will be buying 15 million dollars of these to place in the most pollutied rivers in the world", "Where can I buy me a pair of those sunglasses?", "i also like clean oceans but:\n\nall that money for two ships that pull a net?\n\nand the plastic is used to....produce plastic?", "Sweet futility", "The hard part of this is that I, the individual consumer try so hard to only support companies that are certified as sustainable (or better than average anyways)\n\nBut at the end of the day it doesn't matter if I only buy bunny certified bar soap in biodegradable packaging. I live in a rental unit with no garden to put composting in, so the those handy biodegradable packaging will end up in the landfill anyway.\n\nClothes are so cheap that the brand new stuff generic stuff costs as much as the shirt I found oo shopping.\n\nOur economy has made it that sustainable and eco friendly living are just in general difficult to do. And if my middle class, double income, childless self struggle to attempt all the green stuff the odds of everyone being able to do that wholesale is just ridiculous.\n\nBut it's too hard to stop the profit margins of companies so obviously pollution is your individual responsibility instead of passing laws and having stricter environmental legislations.", "Do they bring the dumpsters to a facility to be processed?", "China and India count as 1st or 3rd world? Because they always dump truckload of trash in their river which all end up in the sea.", "> The size of that garbage patch is unfathomable. What they do here can work as a signal. It will make for impressive pictures regarding the amount of pollution on the surface level, with a fitting iceberg metaphor for what we cannot see. It will grab more attention and the fact that they have plastic recycling tech as follow-up might also provide impulses in companies perceiving this waste as a new resource.\n\nThat's been the argument for over a decade now with this project though, and they only really managed to attract funding to themselves (a lot currently from Coca-cola). In the end with those tens of millions, they ended up reinventing industrial-scale paired-trawling.\n\nIf the oceancleanup was putting any effort into promoting [circular economy solutions](https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/491696/fmars-06-00627-HTML-r1/image_m/fmars-06-00627-g002.jpg), like I think you are getting at as a good way forward for the problem, as some other organisations are, then yeah that'd be cool. Haven't seen it though.", "It's the difference between \"Helping your Uncle Jack off a horse\" and \"helping your uncle jack off a horse\".", "Ugh", "I remember being a kid wondering why plastic was going so main stream when glass seemed to be perfectly fine. How does glass affect the ocean? It simply does not.", "YouTuber ClimateTown touched on fashion industry's environmental impact in a video:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/F6R_WTDdx7I\n\nIt's fun, if somewhat bleak. A recommend watch nonetheless.", "Looks like only single family homes and <5 unit apartment buildings have to recycle by ordinance here. And it's unclear if that's only for city serviced buildings.", "I'm pretty sure 1.5kt is do-able on a solar engine in the Pacific. Hell, even sails may work.\n\n\nThat would require either a total refit of the existing ships or laying down new ones so it's definitely not an immediate issue", "What a disgrace how the Baltimore Harbor looks like. What the hell?", "Everyone should now look up the policy for deconstruction of old oilrigs.. the patch is nothing compared to the garage oil companies leave behind.", "The aggression in this thread is unreal. People are reacting similar to the way they do when you criticize Elon Musk…that’s a sign that they aren’t based in reality. \n\nThe truth is that a ton of money and a ton of carbon emissions were spent to get not a ton of plastic out of the ocean, and it doesn’t seem like that will improve with scale. There are probably better ways to do it. “Something is better than nothing” is a pretty bad investment strategy.", "The fresh meat section is awesome (if you're not vegetarian/vegan that is..). The place I mostly go to has packaged meat as well as fresh meat next to each other and I notice that almost nobody buys the packaged meat. For me, having to handle the packaging is inconvenient, it looks artificially colored and it tastes so much worse than fresh meat. With the fresh meat you can also get exactly how much you want which is awesome for someone like me who eats tiny portions.\n\nI completely agree though that regulations are necessary. It will have to be a combination. For example, supermarkets in my country are now required by law to offer a minimum of (I think) 20% of their drinks inventory in glass bottles. We've outlawed plastic straws and plastic shopping bags. A bottle deposit on plastic bottles is being worked on. All of these don't solve the problem on their own and they only remove a very small portion of plastic waste, but they're steps in the right direction.\n\nBut I disagree on your last point. I think it's the other way around. Products like chips or beauty products where there are many different options to choose from need especially good looking packaging. And in the end it's the customer who decides what looks good and thus what to buy.", "Watcha know about rolling down in the deep", "That really is mind boggling holy cow.", "> “Jesus, this black and white thinking has to stop” is fucking hilarious when you’re ignoring their point entirely. Whole lot of assumptions made on your end just so you can feel morally superior.\n\nIf you were paying attention, he literally went on to say \"The way he presented though made it sound like *<insert mistake that the other guy was definitely not making>.\"\n\nSo my ~~assumption~~ observation (that he unnecessarily shoehorned his comment into the form of a \"correction\" that wasn't actually a correction) was completely accurate.", "Agreed, but can I ask why you buy water instead of using tap water?", "What do we do about the plastics in the ocean then? When is the right time to start making developments in cleaning that up?", "All?", "yes. i would make him disappear completely if I could", "I actually think removing plastic straws is a double-edged sword. They're extremely important to people with disabilities who need assistance with drinking, etc. We should decidedly ban them from, say, McDonalds and the bunch. But there's a lot of people who plainly need access to them.\n\nStill, that's mostly a tangential nuance.\n\nProducts like chips need some amount of packaging because they lose their freshness fast. But the fact they're packaged in small, single-use plastics is not the choice of the consumer, it's the choice of the manufacturers. They could just as well have offered the tools for consumers to choose more conveniently their portion sizes, mixes, etc.\n\n...In fact, they already do with the nuts often. That and loose candy. Then they also go ahead and offer packaged products that beat those prices by a mile, or have no loose alternative. The consumer decides what they buy, but they don't decide what packaging it comes in. It's extremely rare that you can put together the breadth of consumers to push back, either. \n\nPutting the onus on the consumer to \"just stop buying things\" is ultimately pointless, imo. \"Pressuring\" corps to stop doing bad things is pointless. You just gotta get regulation in and enforce it, that's the only damn thing they care about.", "What costs more? Creating huge nets to filter trash out of the entire pacific ocean or taking steps to prevent it from getting in the ocean in the first place... You figure it out, asshole", "I agree. I guess it irritates me that we seemingly can’t ever place the blame where it belongs without feeling pressured to qualify it with “but we still need to do our part as individuals!” \n\nIt should go without saying", "Nobody asks me if I’d rather have my shampoo and water and detergent packaged in biodegradable materials or plastic bottles. That’s just what’s in the store when I go there", "Yeah recycling is all bullshit lol", "oh nice you’re a racist", "Great initiatives", "Awesome! was about to buy some sunglasses from them until I saw they were $200. I know its for a good cause but def. don't have a spare $200 im willing to spend on glasses. Didn't even spend that much on my Oakleys.", "Even a small tax on plastics and plastic fishing waste (50% of plastic ocean waste is this plastic) would pay to clean up so much of this!", "$200 for the contribution glasses? Guess it's way too much", "Handle the root cause first. I feel my messaging has been very consistent about this. I also provide a viable solution (one that has also been championed by oceanographers and marine biologists) but one that isn’t as sexy and newsworthy as a giant floating rig. \n\nAgain, one expedition takes what, days if not weeks? It’s hard to say as these are test missions. But in the time that one expedition is out, the micro plastics have already been replaced exponentially. \n\nInstead, as I’ve mentioned already, they need to focus on their river initiatives. Stop it at the point source. They already have multiple systems setup in south east Asia. \n\nAs far as what’s in the oceans, given our limited resources, we’re better off dealing with the point sources than we are cleaning up what’s there. Is that not perfect? Yup. But in a perfect world the patches would’ve never happened in the first place or we have the resources to deal with both. We do not. At least not today and in the foreseeable future. Keep in mind, Boyan’s team is doing the opposite approach. And here’s some research to back it up:\n\nModeling marine surface microplastic transport to assess optimal removal locations - https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/11/1/014006\n\nThat’s just one paper. It’s the near universal opinion among researchers that prevention at the source is better than mitigation at the sink (sink being the oceanic gyres). \n\nI will say, in the scientific world, their research into micro plastics is top tier. It’s the application of their research where we differ.", "Saw it on the video but still don't see how it wouldn't kill more", "I know but that doesn't tell me how it stops all fish from getting caught in the sides", "Go team reddit", "Why are they lying about the major source of the plastic? All I can see coming out of the net are other nets, barrels, fish buckets and buoys. These are not things the average Joe dumps somewhere near a river.", ">50% of plastic ocean waste is plastic\n\nWhat's the other 50%?", "I'm gonna buy those sunglasses!", "That's my take home if I'm understanding this correctly. It's of course not good for the rivers to be that polluted in those low income areas, and governments need to adress the services, but in the meantime if we want to keep the oceans clean, treating those 1500 or so river mouths may make a significant impact.", "whoops, meant \"this plastic\" as in 50% is fishing related plastic", "No I’m saying do the work before patting yourself on the back.", "My friend, it was a hyperbole to subtly suggest that not everyone uses even a single straw every day, so there must be some entity out there using a pretty large number each day instead.", "lol I figured I was just being silly.", ">taking steps to prevent it from getting in the ocean in the first place\n\nHow many more decades is that gonna take? :-\\\n\n(also YSK The Ocean Cleanup is working on a rapidly deployable* river cleaning system for preventing plastic from reaching the oceans, too; see @6:20 in the video)\n\nThe problem is, that doesn't remove any of the plastic already out in the ocean, which will hang out for decades and slowly degrade into microplastics and/or sink to the ocean floor. At that point the plastic becomes essentially impossible to clean up.\n\nAlso realize that most of that plastic is ghost nets, which entangles and kills marine life for all those decades unless removed So it's hugely beneficial to target these ocean gyres.\n\n>Creating huge nets to filter trash out of the entire pacific ocean\n\nIf you take a look at their presentation, you'll see that they're actually targeting areas of extremely high plastic density. The Ocean Cleanup isn't trying to sweep \"the entire Pacific Ocean.\"\n\nMaking huge nets is actually pretty cheap, thanks to R&D for the fishing industry. The key is to design a net that's bad at catching fish and good at catching plastic. That's exactly what The Ocean Cleanup has succeeded in doing.", "I remember it to be somewhere around 60% male, which puzzled me when I read it- I had assumed the distribution to be much more one-sided than that.", "Oh, I misread it then! I was curious so I found this [rather depressing report](https://ipsnews.net/business/2020/10/19/drinking-straws-market-size-share-and-forecast-2019-2027/). As I suspected and if the report is to be trusted, most plastic straws get used in food service.", "Our tap water here is garbage and filters don't work out to be worth it.", "The thread is on ocean garbage.\n\nLow intelligence environuts think a useless gesture does something.", "This gentleman is incredible. Someone who is enacting real change.", "Really great!", "That can't be done because for this system to be deployed, people were concerned about animal damage where infact the animals will just swim down to safety\n\nCan't imagine a project where micro plastics are tried to be removed, more people will be against it for sure", "We can engineer bacteria that can eat plastics. It already happened naturally. It just wasn’t efficient enough. But the fact that evolution is already coming up with solutions proves that it can be done. Humans have a knack for coming up with more efficient versions of what evolution does, since evolution only works towards “good enough” and we want “perfect or close to it”.", "Waiting how this turns out", "\"Reddit loves this project\"? What? Was just reading some old Reddit comment chains on this project and if anything Redditors are overtly critical of this project.", "Criticism is fine but people should be able to expect that person to at least be willing to defend their statements if others comment on it.", "Whoa, just whoa.", "i needed this so much. thank You ❤", "2:30 as someone speaking french it makes me dutthurt to hear him say ''Yves'' like ivess.", "Nailed it." ]	1,915	videos	The Ocean Cleanup begins cleaning the Great Pacific Garbage Patch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCcZwmB46CE	/r/videos/comments/qn8uoq/flipper_with_subtitles/	[ "Flipper? I know him as James….", "Flipper? I barely touched her", "A clear case of entrapment. Fuck you flipper.", "How the fuck does this only have 18 views", "I only just made it a few hours ago. I’m thinking of doing lassie next", "I love the man and may he rest in piece…but I’m sure Steve Irwin also must of had some of those animals thinking crazy thoughts too lol. Also A Sir David Attenborough may require some animal captions ;)", "Were shows this mind numblingly boring back then?", "Audio is wonky on Android, not sure what's up.", "Section 3.13 bitch!" ]	9	videos	Flipper with subtitles
https://youtu.be/iaVWc894UlQ	/r/videos/comments/qn92tq/the_daily_life_of_chinese_people_under_the_high/	[ "I had a recent discussion with somebody who was defending the CCP. So brainwashed that was more sad than pathetic.", "People squatting down to be heard better by tellers on the other side of the covid shield? OH THE HUMANITY!", "Goes to show you didn't watch the video nor do you understand the concept of face of chinese culture.", "This shit discredits lots of other Chinese propaganda. Anti Chinese westerners will take any innocent footage and claim it's a grave abuse by China.", "So you really didn't see the video and commenting just based on the thumbnail.\nThe kneeling/squatting bit ends in just 1 min... its just to set up mood for the rest of the video.", "...Is this supposed to be surprising? China is not a free country.", "No I watched th video and the stupid shit at the beginnings is proof that it's just stupid westerners trying to smear Chinese people. Are you too stupid to realize your government is trying to gin up support for war? They did the exact thing with Iraqis twenty years ago and Russians before that.", "Its weird how you can be intelligent, saying things I agree with, and still come off like an arrogant asshole I want to downvote. Maybe you should work on that.\n\nAlso, fuck China. They ARE inhumane. Period.", "I am Indian f-tard.", "Still felt a bit too dark when the municipal organization act like actual gang stealing things from poor farmers and raiding shops for their own benefit. The traffic stuff happens in my country too, but not to this extent.", "China is asshole, dont trust china, free hong kong, leave taiwan alone and kindly fuck you.", "40% of Americans own passports compared to China's 9%.\n\nWould you like to try again?", "If you really were Indian, you'd know India has a long history of geopolitical conflict with China. Second, why the slur? I shouldn't expect better from a nation of men who gangrape nine year olds on public busses.", "At least I amnot defending a dictator with flagile feelings who feel bad if the people compare him to winnie pooh. Living in a country that kills its citicens for their religion.\nA country where free speech does not exist.\nSo i insist, kindly, fuck you.", "Well I can't deny those things that happen in my country, though unlike china, we don't try to hide it or suppress/control public opinion.\n\nBTW, can you please tell me about the human trafficking that goes on in your country... so many kids getting kidnapped but china doesn't do a thing and even the safe guards against these traffickers is not as thorough.\n\nI don't know what other heinous stuff may go on in china due to their tight control of media, but the stuff that comes out from there is already way worse than what my country can even hope to achieve.", "Well, at least im free to think, go around in internet and have any religion that i want, also i can say my president is shit without a credit score penalty.\nMy country is not baning movies because fear of gay people, nor killing and reeducating people in inhumane camps.\nWhile my president is a sensible idiot, is not jailing people for comparing him to a cartoon.\nJealous of what? Lack of freedom, no thanks, i preefer my shithole any day than the lack of freedom chinese people suffer. Maybe you are the butthurt seeing how most of the free world think the same.\n\nIf you feel so free, i invite you to talk about tinanmen square or try to share an image of winnie pooh in we chat. Sad chinese shill", "Omg, your entire post history is sucking china's dick. Just do not feed the troll. The lack of thinking is striking with this one.\n\n TAIWAN NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!", "Not a word about ugirs, the \"reeducation camps\", the power plays to take over the resources in the ocean from other countries, the organ harvest...\n\nDont trust china!\nFREE TAIWAN NUMBER ONE!!!\nChina is asshole!!!!\nFuck wanna be dictator winnie pooh!!", "Great content. Keep up the good work, china.", "In 2020 it was dropped from the freedom index because it's now completely under the control of Beijing. Hong Kong was only included in the first place because it had a special status in China. Are you being deliberately obtuse?", "😂", "How about voting for your leaders in free elections? \n\nAnd it doesn’t in China? Try being Tibetan or Mongolian.", "Sorry, but chief executive in English is a corporate position.\n\nAh, so basically you’re selfish. Cool.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/Ask_Politics/comments/pi8kjo/is_the_youtube_channel_china_insights_trustworthy/\n\n>Is the YouTube channel \"China Insights\" trustworthy?\n\n>>[–]abolishpatreon 38 points 2 months ago \n\n>>It’s backed by Falun Gong. So no, it isn’t trustworthy. There will be kernels of truth in it but also some conspiratorial nonsense, as with everything Falun Gong does. Take it with a heavy dose of skepticism and check the facts behind statements that seem too incredible to be true.", "Fuck the CCP, but this whole channel is just a propaganda channel. Look at all their videos. Less than a minute in and the dude is like \"You have to squat at the service window of a regional private national gas company because the CCP wants you to be subservient\". lol the fuck?\n\nPeople can find much more unbiased and complex analyses of why the CCP sucks than what is here. Honestly it is just lazy content farm astroturfing politics. But then again, this is Reddit.", "I lived in China for a while and never once saw a window like that and I had to go to police station, banks, utility companies, etc. So I have no idea how common that is but certainly never saw it in a Tier 2 or Tier 1 city. Plus, how does the mental jump even work that goes from that and one dickish traffic cop to “bowing down” lol. Reddit just loves to eat up anything that says “China = bad”\n\nPlus, what the hell is that title even supposed to mean?", "Falun Gong, who also owns Epoch Times, has been doing the anti CCP stuff for a while (understandably, seeing as the CCP did some insanely fucked up things to their members). It was pretty run of the mill anti-CCP stuff until the past 7 years when the Geo-political situation with the US ramped up and they started getting that GOP money. Now Falun Gong and Epoch Times are kinda full Trump and just do GOP talking point bidding. \n\nAlso Falun Gong is a cult. What the CCP did to their members is inexcusable to do to any human being, but it should be known that they are a cult and should not be assumed they are ever acting in good faith.\n\n\nAlso this video breaks rule 1.", "Unfortunately, this video is part of the Falun Gong group of propaganda. It's anti-CCP, but it's not really... wholesome.", "I mean, I like to bitch and moan about politicians who have been bought and paid for by lobbyists, but it looks like corruption in China is next fucking level.\n\nUnreal.\n\nOf course, petitioning the government also lowers your social credit score over there, so that's another thing to consider.\n\nNo one should have to live like this. The Chinese people deserve better.", "Pretty sure that oil “stolen” from the poor innocent vendors was gutter oil which is a major health and safety issue in China. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil\n\nThere can also be good reasons to ban fishing, potentially prevent overfishing or polluted waters. \n\nDon’t agree with Chinese Gvt heavy hand but some of these are weak ass or outright misrepresented examples", ">What the CCP did to their members is inexcusable to do to any human being, but it should be known that they are a cult and should not be assumed they are ever acting in good faith.\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, there are no heroes in this story.", "Yea, the world is not binary black and white, it is just varying shades of grey. There are rarely heroes in any story irl." ]	32	videos	The daily life of Chinese people under the high pressure of power and the arrogance of power in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTWhfnYhXHg	/r/videos/comments/qn9s2n/keep_your_saliva_to_yourself_certified_karen/	[ "And they defend the chick? Guess we don't know context before the video started.", "justice porn", "A lot of them probably just saw a man forcefully eject a woman from the bus. The guy didn't say anything either, so probably a lot of people just assumed he was the aggressor.", "Whatever happened you don’t push her off the bus like that, you inform the driver who then informs the police", "no thankyou, actions have consequences and I will quite happily remind someone of that if they physically assault me as she did to the man by spitting on him. \n\n\nHonestly though where do you people live? \"whatever happened\"!? so if she just knifed someone on that bus, your supposed to do nothing except inform the driver? \n\nyou can tell the bus driver if someones verbally abusing you, but am I going to wait to see if someone spits at me a second time or am I going to prevent them from doing it? \n\n\nplease come back to the real world, he didn't even hit her, just pushed her and was 100% perfectly justified.", "So you go around pushing and hitting women, your just scum", "You get spit on by people do nothing? That makes you worse than scum. That makes you a little bitch. How does that feel you little bitch? Lol", "Fuck off you dipstick, if I got spat on by a bloke that is different it was a woman, so in a 1 st world country youu shouldn’t hit or push a woman, whereas you obviously would so like that piece of shit in the video you are just a bully, and there must of been something said or done before that because she called him a dirty something, and yes she was in the wrong, but that piece of shit should not of pushed her off the bus like that", "I don't care if you're in a fucking wheelchair, spit on me and I'll stomp your mouth.", "Your just a cunt then", "Actually in a first world country we believe in equality. If someone's hits me first. I can defend myself, that is what this person is doing. He was not the aggressor very very clearly. \n\nWhy should he wait for her to spit on him a second time during a pandemic? \n\nIt's no different than if she came at him with a hypodermic syringe. Spitting at a police officer is classed as physical assault and GBH if you infected with anything knowingly in the UK. \n\nIf the genders had been reversed you'd be totally ok with this and it just shows how sexist your remark is", "Oh my comments are sexist, let me watch you hitting a woman please, you would get arrested you don’t know what was said or done before that, moment so please shut up, its not equality to hit or push a woman, and the self defence thing is bollocks", "Yawn", "So you would hit or push a woman off a bus? Just a bully like that other twat", "Luckily I wouldn't have to deal with a pleb like you in this situation. It would go to court of law and he would be not guilty and she would be. Spitting on someone is assault. Pushing someone out of spitting distance when you have no-where else to go is defence. \n\nI don't condone hitting women so stop trying your best to imply that. Did she not spit on him? Why would we have any reason to believe that she wouldn't continue? Did she leave by herself? Or would he have had to get closer to escape? \n\nShe broke the rulea first when she attacked him. He also didn't step off the bus after her and clearly retreated once she was at a safe distance. \n\nWhat's your argument in court? \n\nHonestly just be real about this for one second. He didn't attack her. He maximised the space between them in the safest way without suffering another attack that could have potentially been his eyes. \n\nSomeone's salvia can have enough bacteria in to really cause damage to someone's eyes before you get to the other stuff. In my experience people who use spitting at an attack usually have a disease like herpes, HIV, or some others and they are literally using it as an offensive weapon. Why else would you spit on someone? What was wrong with words? Would should he assume he's safe after she's already attacked him once. \n\nIf he was in an open space and could get away I'd agree it wasn't defence. But he's got to go past her to get away and I'm not letting some psycho spit in my eyes as I take the chance to dart past them. I'm spinning them away from me and pushing them away from me.", "He didn’t push out of distance, he pushed her twice, once out the way, the second out the bus, you must be a self certified piece of rectal discharge , and he done something before that because she said,disgusting to him, do grow up , and stop tripping over bollocks that you are spouting about, court of law would say he acted to aggressively the 2 nd push, what if he had killed her!!! What about all the killings of women lately, you must condone that , the way you are talking, she was wrong to spit on him, but his reaction was over the top , you pleb, and we would never be in the vicinity so I would not have to deal with a prick like you!", "Yes.", "If someone doesn't teach these people there are consequences they aren't going to change, that guy did society a favor by correcting her behavior. No adult would find doing that acceptable.\n\nI'm assuming there isn't anymore to the story here, but if he was at fault same applies to him. Some things like behavior just needs immediate response and people can't walk around thinking they are entitled to spitting on people.\n\nIt's pretty easy to see who was the entitled one here don't be kidding yourself.", "Well, she was asking for it. I can't understand what kind of person's mind thinks they can spit on someone like that.", "Only the ones who spit on him I guess.", "What if he dies of super herpes?", "\\incoming white knights\\", "And you went for personal attacks now, you have lost the argument. By your own actions, just like that women.", "This guy be like \"please again, in my mouth now, mmm yes thank u mommy\"", "Absolutely. I'm a twat, not a punk ass bitch.", "You just dropped all context and cause, just to insult them?", "I see you're fully committed to toxic masculinity.\n\nYou assume one nebulous pretense while dismissing potential others. And you excuse assault by females with free passes \"because you're supposed to\" (which obviously is no argument).", "The 2 nd push out of the door, made him the aggressor, she could of been killed", "When you’re attacked adrenaline takes effect and your state of mind changes. You can’t just ignore that. Show some empathy to them too.", "I have only said he’s now the aggressor, he said or done something to start it then she spat on him which is nasty, but it’s the 2 nd shove out the door which is wrong" ]	30	videos	Keep your saliva to yourself Certified Karen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H7A9mYANx0	/r/videos/comments/qna7to/what_to_eat_during_pregnancy_for_fair_baby_foods/	[ "what in the racist junk science is this?", "What the actual fuck is this?", "It mentions nothing about fair baby’s in the video! It discusses what foods to eat if you want a healthy baby, brain foods essentially, so watch the video and the title aren’t relevant", "My sister did none of this and her kids are totally unfair! Cheat at board games, terrible about sharing, and during tag I’m always it. So unfair.", "So it's just a stupid offensive post, not a stupid offensive video?" ]	5	videos	What to Eat During Pregnancy for Fair Baby । Foods to Eat During Pregnancy for a Fair Baby
https://youtu.be/LCzDQvX0hAY	/r/videos/comments/qnadez/will_smith_swiftly_points_out_gun_safety_faux_pas/	[ "Doesn't look staged, he looks concerned.\nIt's edited sure. Quite well too.", "I’m confused about the “sort of”. What did he do wrong?", "The guy picked up a gun. As he did he was swinging the barrel across Will’s body. Will pushed the barrel away, took it from him, checked the chamber and magazine, and gave it back. When working with guns you should always act as if there is a steady stream of bullets coming out of the barrel and never point the barrel or swing it past anything that you don’t intend to shoot and kill. You swing it past someone’s body; boom - dead. Never point a gun at anything you don’t mean to shoot and always check the chamber of any gun that you pick up or is handed to you.", "the \"sort of\" is because the check and clear was edited in after.", "What r guns for if not made to point at people and kill?!", "So killing is good?", "I went to a shooting range once, I'm never doing that again. Guns too scary to me", "First, it's edited. But assuming it wasn't, Will should have pushed the barrel away from pointing at him, taken the gun and dropped the magazine out, racked the slide multiple times, looked and/or felt that no round was in the chamber, then handed the gun back to him with the magazine still out and pointing away from everyone.\n\nFirst, don't point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot. That's a general safety rule in case the gun fires it won't kill anyone. Next, whenever you pick up a gun you want to check the gun is empty (maybe someone loaded a round when you weren't looking.) With a semi-auto, if the magazine is in, removing one bullet loads the next bullet. So you drop the magazine so you don't unload one bullet and load the next one. Then you rack the slide a couple of times, which will eject any bullets from the chamber. Then you look in the chamber and make sure it's empty (racking the slide should empty it, but if you messed up and left the magazine in or the extractor is broken or you blocked the ejection port, or two bullets are jammed in there, the chamber may not be empty.) Then you hand the gun with the magazine out to the person so they would have to put the magazine into the gun and rack the slide before a round could \"accidentally\" get into the chamber, all while keeping the gun pointed away (in case even after all that you still didn't clear a bullet from a gun.)\n\nIn the edited version will puts the magazine back in, which he shouldn't have done as it brings the gun one step closer to loaded and because a lot of people instinctively rack the slide after putting a magazine in, which will load a round if the magazine is not empty.\n\nThese are all safety steps but the edit messes some of the steps up hence the \"sort of\". Also, it's edited.", "Is taking the gun out of the hands of someone else considered safety? Seems like you risk scarring or pissing off someone already handling a weapon in an unsafe manner. Seems hard to believe that this could happen at a gun range and the owner being okay with someone doing that. I’d like to learn though", "But Will wasn't holding the gun. He slapped the gun away. that part i get. Why would \"sort of\" apply to Will? Is he supposed to check and clear a gun he's not holding? \n\n\nEdit: Maybe instead of down voting, Someone could help me understand/learn about gun safety? Reddit is weird.", "Pushing a gun to face safe direction is acceptable and generally accompanied by saying \"what the fuck, don't point it at anyone.\"\n\nIf they are pointing it at you and are too far away to reach, then you move out of the way while shouting \"stop pointing the fucking gun at me.\"\n\nTaking a gun from someone who has already fucked up safety measures, the safest is to tell them to put it back down on a table.\n\nIf there is no table, I would make sure the gun is facing safe and finger is off trigger then saying \"give me that\" with hand out, ready to push the gun to face safe if they fuck up again.\n\nIf the person is actually shooting in a non safe manner, I would not try to take the gun. I would shout \"stop shooting, stop shooting\" and duck or stay behind them or get out of the area or push the gun to face safe direction. At a range, once they stop shooting, I would tell them to put the gun down rather than trying to take it. In general, go through the safety rules before they start shooting and make sure they understand it. Run through them multiple times and make sure they can handle an empty gun safely. If they can't follow the rules while shooting don't shoot with that person.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Gr3FsJ4A0", "Target shooting, hunting, so many other uses...\n\nIgnorant redditor moment", "Okay, think I got it;\n\nKilling other than people is okay. Killing people bad, unless necessary, ie., you stepped onto my property and now must die? Or what if the other has guns and uses said guns to kill, SO then we must kill them! So we should make more guns for more good - so that means guns ARE good!", "I like gun safety now that I think of it...", "The edited part (from when he grabs the gun) is staged.", "He broke the first two rules of firearms\n\n1) Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.\n\n2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.", ">But Will wasn't holding the gun.\n\nExactly, the \"sort of\" is because the check and clear was edited in after.\n\nedit: also, the pushing the gun away is in itself a pseudo demonstration.", "I mean that really about it lol. Don't get me wrong I'm buying a hunting rifle shortly. \n\nBut they have a pretty limited function.", "If you racked the slide after putting a magazine in, and it slides forward, then you’ve probably got a loaded gun there pal. If it locks back, then you’ve got a unloaded and working properly gun. (There’s probably tons of guns that don’t lock back on a empty mag but most do)", "You can use a cup to hold pencils, or chili, or turn it upside down and make a small hat for a dog", "so you gonna sue him? whats the big point?\n\nthey caught something candid, then decided to improve it. who cares", "Did you go alone?", "You said it doesn't look staged. I pointed out what part of the video was staged.\n\nNothing more to it.", "Ok and, they're a tool tools are supposed to have limited function lmfao", "You said so many other uses.", "Yeah there are many uses to launching a small projectile accurately at high speed. but thats all a gun does", "Besides shooting a human, an animal or a target, what other uses are you envisioning.", "You forgot killing people! There are so many others that need to be dead!", "I’ve seen these REALLY COOL photos people here in the US make with all their guns. They display them into these neat arrangements to showcase their collection. \n\nWe can add photography and collecting to the list.", "Safety for killings sake. No?", "Editing was so gratuitous, just show him smacking it", "So would it be fair to say the \"sort of\" wasn't directed at Will but to the situation as a whole?", "Who asked?\n\nbtw I went to the zoo once, never doing that again. Have aracnophobia.", ">So would it be fair to say the \"sort of\" wasn't directed at Will\n\nNo. Not at all, in fact the title card specifically says \"Will Smith Demonstrates Gun Safety. Sort Of.\"\n\nDid Will Smith demonstrate gun safety when he pushed the barrel away from his face? I mean, sort of, I wouldn't call it a \"demonstration\" though.\n\nDid Will Smith demonstrate gun safety on a movie set? I mean, sort of, it was completely staged and therefore it wasn't truly Will who was the one demonstrating, he was just told what to do for the promotional shot.", "We need even more slow motion /s", "I wonder if we'll see guns in movies changed to be like those at conventions that have cosplay, with plastic orange ends on the muzzle, then they'll have to edit them out in post.", "At least they didn't try to play it off as real", "how much annoying editing can you fit into a minute-long video", "That makes more sense. I think I was thinking about the \"sort of\" in a different context. Thanks.", "What context would that be? I am not familiar of any other interpretation of the phrase \"sort of\".", "Wat", "If there's a subreddit for editing gore then this should be the top all-time submission.", ">Now in slow mo\n\nUhh, I just watched it in slow mo... Twice.", "> took it from him, checked the chamber and magazine, and gave it back\n\nno he did not. that crap was added in during editing for humor. all will did was slap the gun away so it wasn't pointing at him. which was still a completely reasonable thing to do.", "Did an 8 year old edit this shit?", "Is it a good idea to ever smack the gun someone is holding? If the gun is hot, the smack could potentially cause someone to pull the trigger?", "Found the delicate tacticool mall ninja who gets his feelings hurt over nothing", "Totally wasn't planned and rehearsed.", "I don't know why movies use actual guns anyway. A prop gun that doesn't accept working bullets would be just fine.", "Who asked?", "I worked in the oilfield for 6 years and now have been in hevy civil conversation for a few years. Working around dangerous things is nothing really new. I'm surprised there isn't some sort of \"lock out tag out\" procedure when it comes to guns on movie sets. Like if a guy needs to go inside a piece of equipment to work on it there is a physical lock that is put on it and the key is in the pocket of the guy inside the machine. I would assume there is some sort of similar thing for guns in movies. Like if you are going to point a gun at me and pretend to shoot me I'm going to want to physically check it myself then directly hand it to you and not let it leave my sight until we are done. IDK how the process actually works and maybe something similar to that already happens but that's what I would do.", "Do we really need a reason beyond that it is cheaper, and looks more real / \"better\"?", "not taken 3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM \n \nmitchell & webb gift shop sketch too i guess" ]	55	videos	Will Smith, swiftly points out gun safety faux pas on movie set
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUT8ec24anM	/r/videos/comments/qnap39/missing_teens_friends_go_on_tv_to_plead_for_her/	[ "I was thinking, it's been 10 years. Do you think they have a more distinctly Millennial way of speaking than teens today. I don't think todays teens would say \"Hot Mess\" and also Facebook was still cool then.\n\n\n[Here's the discussion on /r/Millennials](https://old.reddit.com/r/Millennials/comments/qnarcq/missing_teens_friends_go_on_tv_to_plead_for_her/)", "I wish they did because 'hot mess express' made me lol.", "I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!", "Lingo has absolutely changed in the last 10 years.", "\"Whatever, I'm going to be partying forever... forever... forever.....\"", "God damn the sweater bit at the end was too well acted.", "\"You are in our thoughts!\"\n\n\"Ew, gross!\"", "as someone who grew up in an area where this kind of privilege was normal circa 2007, teens from the same area these days have a _hell_ of a lot more on their plate due to the state of the world. conscientiousness and individuality went through the roof as a result of socioeconomic / sociopolitical insecurity.\n\nthink the difference between kesha and eilish.\n\nwe went from \"the world is ours and we can just kind of be whatever about it\" to \"the world we're inheriting is a minefield\".", "I mean, born in 1990 here. tik tok came out when I was 19 and rocking an iphone 3g. _pretty_ sure that makes me a millennial.\n\nedit: checked for fun, kesha was (and continues to be) three years older than I am. =p", "pretty sure we're millennial up until 1996/7. this would mean the eldest of gen z would be about 12 when her single dropped. I'd argue her brand was definitely targeting the teenage / young club scene - which were firmly millennial at the time.\n\nthat being said, it's likely we're having a hangup here over the _later_ millennial demographic, and how it overlapped with z. to me and most of my colleagues, 80's nostalgia is _retro_, not contemporaneous with our childhoods. we were definitely hearing kesha blasted during our teen / early college years, whereas billie eilish is more of an early adulthood thing.", "Uh, I was born in 1994 and 15 when Tik Tok came out. Kesha definitely was aimed at my generation and I'm a Millennial. Her music is pretty different from the dreary music of Billie Eillish etc today.", "This is one of my favorites. Everything in it is spot on.", "Hey! It's the girl from Happy Death Day!", "Well I'm one of the oldest millennials you can be and I know them both, so anecdotal evidence really doesn't get people anywhere. \n\n\nIt is more likely you don't follow pop culture or your memory isn't that great, because both these females are hugely popular. I don't like Billie Ellish music or anything either, but you gotta be hiding under a rock not to know who she is or not know a single song.", "Why lie about weird shit? Tik Tok came out in 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok", "[TikTok](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok) \n \n >TikTok, known in China as Douyin (Chinese: 抖音; pinyin: Dǒuyīn), is a video-focused social networking service owned by Chinese company ByteDance. It hosts a variety of short-form user videos, from genres like dance, comedy, and education, with durations from 15 seconds to three minutes. TikTok is an international version of Douyin, which was originally released in the Chinese market in September 2016. TikTok was launched in 2017 for iOS and Android in most markets outside of mainland China; however, it became available worldwide only after merging with another Chinese social media service, Musical.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "the Kesha single. you know, one of the artists we were discussing.", "I am both dumb and sorry. Thank you for correcting me and my tunnel vision to only see \"Tik Tok\" as the social media platform!!" ]	19	videos	Missing Teen's Friends Go On TV To Plead For Her Release, Gossip About Ugly Classmates - The Onion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qnb4v9/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qnb4v9/deleted_by_user/	[ "What’s vector?", "I had to Google it too!", "I don't understand who's eating all this Special K and Rice Krispies!", "I imagine a good portion of the Rice Krispies purchases are for recipes, like Rice Krispies Treats.", "Is this US? From Googling, Vector seems to be a primarily Canadian cereal. It's a high protein \"healthy\" cereal, like Special K. EDIT: Seems to be worldwide, but weird to see a Canadian cereal so high up the list.\n\nSpecial K is used by pretty much anyone who loves cereal but is trying to eat healthier. It's still processed food, and with any cereal, really easy to overeat.", "That's what I figure. My sister makes Special K bars, which are similar but even better! But it's hard to imagine that outweighing all those Frosted Flakes kids (and me) are having for breakfast.", "How can we trust people with anything when it seems the majority can't even be trusted to choose a palatable breakfast option?", "I love cereal. A fan for 40 years. Never heard of Vector.", "I live in the midwest US and have never heard of, or seen Vector cereal.", "Do people not know about Krave? Chocolate shells filled with chocolate?" ]	10	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmPhPk5UHo	/r/videos/comments/qnbmxc/gaming_on_a_1080p_07_inch_screen/	[ "To put things in perspective, the latest 45mm (1.9 inch) apple watch screen comes in 396×484.", "I doubt the display is actually 1080p - more than likely is that the controller can accept the 1080p signal and convert it to run on the display at whatever the true resolution is.", "Tech specs say It actually is, 1920x1080. So if it packs 1920 pixels into 1.5 cm, that gives it an effective resolution (pixel size) of 16 microns.", "Yeah unlikely something with such amazingly small specs are available on AliExpress for a couple hundred bucks" ]	4	videos	Gaming on a 1080p 0.7 inch Screen
https://youtu.be/DZCgJhmEamI	/r/videos/comments/qnc1w2/a_video_about_tekken_7/	[ "Inspiring", "Lol thanks 🙏🏽", "That was fucking hilarious.", "Aw thanks that means a lot 🙏🏽" ]	4	videos	A video about Tekken 7:
https://youtu.be/NCQl5NgW0cE	/r/videos/comments/qncda8/to_start_living_offgrid/	[ "She’s not going to have fun in that with the heavy rain season comes", "Very nice. I think my blood pressure went down from just listening to the relative quiet and sounds of nature.", "There is off-grid, then there is camping.", "then there is this. its pretty much a baby step up from just sleeping where you stopped walking", "Yeah when underground pool with slide.", "Her vegetable garden, chicken coop, and slaughtering skills seem up to snuff. Unless she just walks to the local grocery daily to buy her fresh unrefrigerated meat by trading flowers and pretty stones she gathers in the woods. I mean... where's the money coming from? How does she clean and eventually replace her clothing? What does she plan to eat? \n\nThere's more to living off the grid than just keeping light rain off your head while you take a nap." ]	6	videos	To Start Living Off-Grid
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YEE1O8aAnpw&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qncl37/i_changed_my_windows_10_boot_up_sound/	[ "That's 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back. If you cut it down to 3 seconds it might have actually been funny.", "I changed a friend’s email notification sound to say “Alexa, play never gonna give you up”.", "The devil must be a big fan of you", "He calls me for ideas.", "Aight I'll try that next" ]	5	videos	I changed my Windows 10 boot up sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGa8eReR_ns	/r/videos/comments/qncluq/the_pilot_for_the_show_cliffside_that_sadly_never/	[ "Ngl I watched the whole thing and disliked it.\n\nThe style is amateur, the humor is pretty meh. Something a pre-teen would find funny in 2010, and the overall vibe is hot topic try-hard \"edgy\".\n\n\nCompare this to hazbin hotel or helluva boss and no wonder this never got made", "well from what i saw it was someone's school project that they made for fun.", "Looks Liam Vecker and 8 other people made this when he was a senior in college.\n\nIt's by far his worst work" ]	3	videos	the pilot for the show Cliffside that sadly never happened and i am totally bummed out because its super cool

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