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[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years" ]
> Winter
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?" ]
> Is this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter" ]
> If you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. Currently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?" ]
> You are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change. I smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference. But I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement." ]
> Not to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point." ]
> "On record", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying." ]
> It's not odd at all. What is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. You do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd." ]
> During some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?" ]
> Not that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as "another near-record" competitor...?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents." ]
> They would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average. This year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?" ]
> Are we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024." ]
> Your point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit? And actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than "couple hundred million years".
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?" ]
> Exactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\"." ]
> Ice core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s" ]
> Those things are within your control. The people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled. You, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet. You can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology. There are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years." ]
> 'sixth warmest year on record, globally' So, since 1880.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter." ]
> Your point being?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880." ]
> That scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?" ]
> Gotcha. I thought you were on the "the earth is this years old" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started." ]
> Haarp
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it." ]
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[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp" ]
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[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄" ]
> Thank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness." ]
> You're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work" ]
> I have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?" ]
> yeah! lets keep the streak.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out." ]
> Only 6th? See the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak." ]
> They have been la niña years, which are colder, on average This year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design ." ]
> It’s snowing again in New Mexico.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average" ]
> Because our predictable climate is collapsing and the jet stream isn't able to keep cold air at the poles
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average", ">\n\nIt’s snowing again in New Mexico." ]
> It normally snows in New Mexico in the winter. It’s also been very cold throughout the Rockies.
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average", ">\n\nIt’s snowing again in New Mexico.", ">\n\nBecause our predictable climate is collapsing and the jet stream isn't able to keep cold air at the poles" ]
> It used to snow in MO so much when I was a little kid. Now we only got snow this year because of the bomb cyclone
[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average", ">\n\nIt’s snowing again in New Mexico.", ">\n\nBecause our predictable climate is collapsing and the jet stream isn't able to keep cold air at the poles", ">\n\nIt normally snows in New Mexico in the winter. It’s also been very cold throughout the Rockies." ]
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[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average", ">\n\nIt’s snowing again in New Mexico.", ">\n\nBecause our predictable climate is collapsing and the jet stream isn't able to keep cold air at the poles", ">\n\nIt normally snows in New Mexico in the winter. It’s also been very cold throughout the Rockies.", ">\n\nIt used to snow in MO so much when I was a little kid. Now we only got snow this year because of the bomb cyclone" ]
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[ "It's been raining all January in Minnesota. This is usually some of the coldest, harshest part of the year, with temps well below freezing. Snow was common, but rain? Rarely heard of.\nLast year we had the first December tornado ever recorded. Lots of damaging wind storms too.\nIt's pretty weird.", ">\n\nMichigander here. We have the best hill in our front yard for sledding and the kids have used it one time this year. It’s raining outside right now. I miss the snowy weather.", ">\n\nHate to break it to you, but this is the new norm. People in power waited too long to act on climate change or didn't act at all. So now we suffer the consequences.", ">\n\nI feel sorry for little kids, they are truly going to grow up in dystopian times.", ">\n\nThis is one of the main reasons I'm not having any.", ">\n\nYeah, I no longer regret not having any. Its sad but I am at peace with it", ">\n\nExpect a much warmer 2023 as we switch from La Niña condition which prevailed these last two years towards its opposite, an El Niño episode.", ">\n\nAre those cycles that regular? Is Nino warm? Always confused on those", ">\n\nEl Nino years are warmer than long term trend globally, La Nina years are cooler. The oscillation is not regular like a pendulum hooked to the ceiling is regular. But it is more regular than macroeconomic cycles.", ">\n\nLa Nina has another problem - while it might make the weather cooler in some areas, it increases humidity (and might cause devastating floods on top of that). Very high humidity is a toll both when it is cold and hot, especially for people with chronic health conditions.\nI've also read that one of the dangers of the changing climate was that high humidity will go hand in hand with heat and create pretty uninhabitable bubbles in the worst impacted areas. I wonder how the increased humidity brough by La Nina in the past couple years might contribute to that.", ">\n\n\ncreate pretty uninhabitable bubbles\n\nWetbulb effects. High temperature and high humidity make it difficult to cool down by sweating. WB temperatures around 35 degrees C (95 F) can be fatal to otherwise healthy people. \nThey have already recorded wetbulb temperatures above 35 C in countries like Mexico, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.", ">\n\nYes, that's exactly what I meant. It's concerning, to say the least. I've experienced very high humidity with relatively low temp during La Nina and it was really bad. I can hardly imagine going through the same at +30.", ">\n\nIn case you were wondering when those 5 years that were warmer were:\n2016, 2020, 2019, 2015 and 2017 in that order.\nthe 7th to 10th place were:\n2021, 2018, 2014 and 2010\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\nTable from NOAA:\nRank |Year| Anomaly °C| Anomaly °F\n---|---|---|---\n1|2016|1.00|1.80\n2|2020|0.98|1.76\n3|2019|0.95|1.71\n4|2015|0.93|1.67\n5|2017|0.91|1.64\n6|2022|0.86|1.55\n7|2021|0.84|1.51\n8|2018|0.82|1.48\n9|2014|0.74|1.33\n10|2010|0.72|1.30 \nThe reason those aren't in order of getting warmer each year is partly the fault of La Niña/El Niño. \n2023 is likely going to be warmer than 2022, but not by too much and you might expect a new #1 in the list for 2024.", ">\n\n\nIt seems somehow strange that all the 10 warmest years on record happened after the Movie Avatar first appeared in Cinemas, iPhones became a thing and Netflix switched from renting out DVD to streaming videos as their main business model.\n\n22 of the 23 warmest years on record are in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.\nAt this point you have to be delusional to claim it isn't getting warmer.", ">\n\n“This is fine.”", ">\n\nAs a European ... this def. feels like the warmest winter ever.", ">\n\nNo one is going to do anything if you just say winters are getting warmer. If you want people to actually do something, you gotta focus on the negative, heatwave, drought, flooding etc.", ">\n\n...most people are just born yesterday - we have had unusual mild winters the passed 20 years !", ">\n\nHere is the supper shocker for you and your kind: The man-made global warming started 140 years ago. So your argument about last 20 years shows that you education on subject has not started yet.", ">\n\nIts just what I personally can verify with my own eyes and nothing to do with my education on the subject as science tells us that something is wrong which I now believe we both agree on or am I wrong ?", ">\n\nToday, I saw with my own eyes a guy that was smoking. He did not die on the spot. All this warnings about the danger of smoking must be a giant hoax!", ">\n\nYou get me totally wrong and I did not put 'only' in my post as im not a climate denier, but when I see all these posts from people that seem completely surprised by the weather this winter, then I posted that these unusual winters have been going the last 20 years as I can tell, that its nothing new and thanks for waking up", ">\n\nI just noticed something after looking at these comments... Do climate deniers now hire bots to peddle their BS now or something?", ">\n\nClimate disinformation campaigns have absolutely increased, and continue as more right wing mind set individuals gain influence over various social media platforms.", ">\n\nRight wing, sure, but it’s the owner-class that is incentivized to create this misinformation and keep people stupid that is in control of this kind of thing.", ">\n\nWhich correlates incredibly closely with the folks funding, bribing and otherwise chumming up to the ‘right wing’ parties.", ">\n\n55 Tufton Street, in Westminster, London has networked + lobbied + connected Tories with\nClimate Science Denial + Environment Protest debial\nFossil Fuel lobby groups\npro-Brexit think tanks\nAltRight + white Supremacists \nRepublican + \"Libertarian\" lobby groups etc\nthey are all about:\nspreading Nationalism + Fascist tactics\npunishing extreme Economic ideology\npro-eugenics Totalitarians\nprofit psychopaths\ncorporate controlled \nfossil fuel worshipping pro-tobacco \nclimate denial + climate obstruction\nculture war + strawman deflections\nRacism + xenophobia + transphobia + misogyny + equality denial + migration denial\ndark + (genocidal) + dystopian future\nthis the only thing they seem to know\n80 years ago they would have been high ranking nazis etc", ">\n\nAll around unpleasant folks by the looks of it", ">\n\ndid you know that the anagram of \nGET BREXIT DONE ≡ BEING EXTORTED", ">\n\nso we’re cooling down then?\n(please, this is a joke. Reddit crusaders, leave your swords sheathed.)", ">\n\nHumanity is basically waiting for a natural disaster of such epic proportions that climate change is finally undeniable to those with the resources and power to ignore it.\nKind of sucks to know were living in the shadow of the worlds biggest man-made natural disaster or extinction event and can't do anything but sit on reddit and wait.", ">\n\nCan we please stop listening to doomsday scientists? Everyone knows that the shareholders and corporations are much more important than the future of our species or our overrated habitat.", ">\n\nYou got me in the first half!", ">\n\nGotta love those mega corps and billionaires", ">\n\nWould you think of the next quarterly report!", ">\n\nSixth warmest year on record globally so far!", ">\n\nAs one climate scientist said, this is the coldest winter/summer of the rest of your life", ">\n\nOkay I think we need to turn down the Sun", ">\n\nYou might be joking, but that is actually a real thing some people are working on.\nIt's called a space sunshade. There are lots of different versions that are considered. Having just a solid array of photovoltaic cells several square kilometers in size. Clouds of small spacecraft that can redirect sunlight. Or finally, collecting all of Joe Biden's sunglasses and spread them in orbit to make earth cool.", ">\n\nI'm all for the latter I think", ">\n\nIf capitalism continues its destructive work we are headed for a neo-feudalism world: small livable plots of land bought by billionaires where the rest of us will be working on maintaining in exchange for being guest in them.", ">\n\nVarious billionaires are already buying up land unfortunately, very quietly and outside of the inquisitive media (which they can redirect if so need be)", ">\n\nAnd the coolest for the rest of our lives. \nHumanity has chosen its path. All that remains is for it to play out.", ">\n\nYour own body feels ill at the rise of just a few degrees. I imagine Earth is similar in a way.", ">\n\n2023: Hold my beer", ">\n\nForecasts say 2023 will be a record setter, but the real heat is likely to come in 2024. If your area has been prone to fires, smokes, etc. Now is the time to plan.", ">\n\n2022: Sixth Warmest Year On Record Globally\n2024: Hold My Beer", ">\n\nHey hey look on the bright side, it's trending down! lol", ">\n\nYet strangely my energy bills are up despite not needing to use it as much...", ">\n\n:/ Coal being a large factor...", ">\n\nIn the meantime: we got snow in Ireland. Kids are building snowmen.\nEdit: I know how global warming works. Just we have much more snow and frost in last few years than in previous 50...", ">\n\nSo what you’re saying is that you too are experiencing climate change?", ">\n\nYep.", ">\n\nI totally believe this but gosh I wish it was like this in my area. I barely got to use my pool over the summer because it was constantly way too cool, and while it warmed up in November it got surprisingly cold surprisingly quickly starting in August-Halloween was basically winter.\nI know this stuff also is part of Climate Change which is very real, but I selfishly want my area to enjoy some of this \"warmest weather ever\" sometime lol", ">\n\nWithout checking, I assume this thread is full of genius' posting about when the earth was still molten.", ">\n\nA summary: \nThis record set is only 140 years old, so how do we know what the climate was like before then? Also, it was warmer 1M/65M/300M/4B/[some other time in the past] years ago so climate change is always happening. And I had to wear a sweater yesterday so the climate clearly isn’t changing.", ">\n\nAbout what I expected.", ">\n\n51 in Chicago today", ">\n\nNor Cal here. coldest winter in years.", ">\n\nAnd it’s about 15°F warmer here in Vermont than it should be, that’s the thing about climate change it doesn’t just mean it gets hotter everywhere at the same time it means bizarre weather events as well.", ">\n\n\nI predict that by 2030 we look back on 2022 as a 'cold' year. Just goes to\n\nYou see how that is worse, right? Please say you see how that is way worse.", ">\n\nThere must be snark there right? /s", ">\n\nI hope so", ">\n\nMan versus nature: the road to victory.", ">\n\nGood news, the previous years were colder than the upcoming years!", ">\n\n\"But!! But!!\" - Climate change deniers", ">\n\n2023 is going to be even warmer", ">\n\nYesterday you said you'd call Sears", ">\n\nAll this heat does is turn snow into year round rain here in NJ", ">\n\nExcept when we had drought this summer", ">\n\nBy now I just don't care, point of no return passed and I ain't surviving upcoming collapse of humanity so might as well enjoy this dumpster fire with a laugh", ">\n\nLoosers give up, but at least you are a looser with a smile", ">\n\nAccording to your own linked source, livestock accounts for 5.8% of total greenhouse gas emissions, while road transport accounts for 11.9%.", ">\n\nThen use that link as source instead of another that doesn’t back up your claims.\nHope you keep learning basic source referencing, ta.", ">\n\nYeah I made a mistake with that one, ta. (what does ta mean?)", ">\n\nSo much for global warming!", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nPoe's law", ">\n\nThat's why I'm asking. Is this a denier or a person feeling vindicated?", ">\n\nIt's a sarcastic comment, meant as a parody of a cliché climate denier saying(s). ^^^I ^^^think", ">\n\nThe very reason you put I think is why I asked.", ">\n\nyeah really? You sure have some sort of prove for that other than trust me bro.\nBecause we are literally in an ice age. You just have not clue what an ice age acutally means", ">\n\nThe media =/= climate scientists", ">\n\nSince when is media on .gov domains?", ">\n\n\"and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930s, themedia peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920s until the 1960s,they warned of global warming. From the 1950s until the 1970s, theywarned us again of a coming ice age \"\nnot the source itself is media vs climate scientists but the claims by the former senator", ">\n\nFair enough!", ">\n\nNow that was hot.", ">\n\nSame for here in PA. We’re usually 3 good snowfalls deep by now, but all we got was 4” right before Christmas and nothing but warm weather and rain since the polar air left. It’s fucked up, man. Reminds me of living in Texas when I was a kid.", ">\n\nSingh warmest year on record, so far! Soon enough these years will be considered cool compared to what’s to come.", ">\n\nLol. Nothing will change and yet believing nothing will change ensures it. Such an uphill battle that cannot happen enough people in the correct positions make changes", ">\n\nThings are cooling off!", ">\n\nDoes anybody know which years have been hotter?", ">\n\nOnly 'till next year.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say warmer for Melbourne we had 14 degree and rain into early December", ">\n\nBe thankful for the summer you have this year. Be thankful that it is 34°C and you should be putting on your thick jackets and celebrating because come next year, 34°C would be colder compared to the temperatures you will experience.", ">\n\nAnd we're just getting started.", ">\n\nNot even in the top 3. 2022 is an underperformer.", ">\n\nLet's prepare for waves of climate migrants from countries which are still increasing their CO2 emissions.", ">\n\nYeah, I’m also worried about ignorant US migrants coming to civilized countries with their backwards culture wanting to roll coal and shoot up schools.\nExcept for the world’s factory China, US has the largest CO2 emission per capita.", ">\n\nI am not American so I don't have opinion on this subject. Maybe I am not an expert but if by civilized countries you mean those with crime levels even higher than in USA then your arguments are missed.", ">\n\nYou form your beliefs from absolutely zero data so they have that over you.", ">\n\nNo, my data is your false claim that can't be backed with data. \nYou're not nearly as smart as you think.", ">\n\nClearly from your statements you don't believe in climate change.", ">\n\nYou are misinterpreting my use of the word \"believe\". Many people don't believe the data based on many reasons outside of religion. Such as some pseudo science they found online or conspiracy theories about the government.", ">\n\n6th? See guys. Global Warming is a hoax.", ">\n\nThe Dinosaurs..Hold on a sec", ">\n\nShit, we better start eating bugs and dying our hair purple!", ">\n\nWhen ever your house gets flooded I will be happy !", ">\n\nGlobal cooling \n\nGlobal cooling was a conjecture, especially during the 1970s, of imminent cooling of the Earth culminating in a period of extensive glaciation, due to the cooling effects of aerosols or orbital forcing. Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect. In the mid 1970s, the limited temperature series available suggested that the temperature had decreased for several decades up to then.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nFunny it's pretty cold here in florida some of the coldest in years", ">\n\nWhat do you think that means?", ">\n\nWinter", ">\n\nIs this before or after you’ve adjusted the raw data?", ">\n\nIf you're at all scientifically literate, you'd know that you can't look at raw data and draw any conclusions. You have to preform corrections for a plethora of reasons that vary between data sets, observational methods, and what information you want to obtain from the raw data. \nCurrently, there are multiple independent climate research organizations around the world that maintain long-term data sets of global land and ocean temperatures. Each organization uses different techniques to make its estimates and adjusts its input data sets to compensate for changes in observing conditions, using data processing methods described in peer-reviewed literature. Despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent researchers, their global temperature estimates are all in close agreement.", ">\n\nYou are replying to multiple accounts that have one post, very low karma and created recently. All posting against Climate change.\nI smell bots. Or idiots, but sadly not much difference.\nBut I appreciate you providing detailed responses incase people do read the trolls/bots and think they are making some reasonable point.", ">\n\nNot to mention such similar names. Xanaric and Xadriet. They'r not even trying.", ">\n\n\"On record\", being the important words here. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and you want to talk about the last 170 odd.", ">\n\nIt's not odd at all. \nWhat is odd is how for ~90% of Earth's history macroscopic multicellular life didn't even exist, terrestrial plants hadn't even evolved yet, and yet you care so much about that interval of time, like it has some sort of significance to our modern world; where ocean currents were different, the sun was dimmer, the continents were completely barren, and life existed purely in the oceans. But please, regale us with your ancient wisdom. \nYou do realize that the only reason you know about what climate was like back then is because of those same scientific fields telling you what climate is like now and why it's a concern right?", ">\n\nDuring some of that time, “the continents” weren’t even a thing, there was one. And then there were several, but in different numbers and places from what we now name continents.", ">\n\nNot that it has to do with anything, but I wonder if a runner in a sports competition who placed 6th would be referred as \"another near-record\" competitor...?", ">\n\nThey would if they were supposed to come in 30th or 40th place. This was during a La Niña cycle, this year was cold. The 6th hottest year on record happened during a period in Earth's climate cycle where we're supposed to be significantly colder than average.\nThis year into next year starts the El Niño part of the cycle, the hot part. We're going for first in 2023 and 2024.", ">\n\nAre we a little arrogant with this? The world (and weather) have been around for a couple hundred million years but our “on record” period has been a couple hundred years. Maybe we are a little full of ourselves?", ">\n\nYour point being? You must be the 4th or 5th here that posts that crap. You the same guy on different accounts or some whako theory conspirationist shit?\nAnd actually the world had a weather with patterns, temperatures and what not, for as long as it has had an atmosphere if not even before. And that's waaay longer than \"couple hundred million years\".", ">\n\nExactly my point. No historical reference beyond the mid 1800s", ">\n\nIce core data goes back hundreds of thousands of years.", ">\n\nThose things are within your control.\nThe people you elect into office through the ballot box have a huge influence on how climate change is handled.\nYou, yourself, can affect climate change by changing your behavior, e.g. mode of transportation and diet.\nYou can affect climate change by buying less from companies that are bad for climate and putting economical pressure on countries that hurt the ecology.\nThere are many things in your control and, yes, individually, you don't have a big impact. Just like in a democracy, a single individual doesn't matter, but the sum of many, many single individuals does matter.", ">\n\n'sixth warmest year on record, globally' \nSo, since 1880.", ">\n\nYour point being?", ">\n\nThat scientists mark the start of modern global record-keeping in 1880. I'm just providing more detail. Some people might not know when 'on record' started.", ">\n\nGotcha. I thought you were on the \"the earth is this years old\" weird argument bandwagon. Still trying to understand what them ppl want to say with it.", ">\n\nHaarp", ">\n\n🙄", ">\n\nThank goodness.", ">\n\nThank god for this weather. Last winter was brutal. We deserve this. I’m hopping for a dry early spring so I can get back to work", ">\n\nYou're cheering a very negative phenomenon in the hopes it allows you to work. What work will you be able to do when you have no food because weather patterns become destabilized and there are global bread basket crop failures?", ">\n\nI have real life things to worry about. Things I can actually change. We seem to be pretty good at fixing that “hole” in the ozone layer that they never talk about it any more. They’ll figure it out.", ">\n\nyeah! lets keep the streak.", ">\n\nOnly 6th?\nSee the trend is reversing. Clear proof there is no global warming and evolution is really intelligent design .", ">\n\nThey have been la niña years, which are colder, on average\nThis year it's expected to change into el niño, which are hotter years on average", ">\n\nIt’s snowing again in New Mexico.", ">\n\nBecause our predictable climate is collapsing and the jet stream isn't able to keep cold air at the poles", ">\n\nIt normally snows in New Mexico in the winter. It’s also been very cold throughout the Rockies.", ">\n\nIt used to snow in MO so much when I was a little kid. Now we only got snow this year because of the bomb cyclone", ">\n\nComn people try harder we goto be number one" ]
Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.
[]
> Ironically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition." ]
> All countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe). Interestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility. Since China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through." ]
> Get ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it. They are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse." ]
> India will balance it out.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing." ]
> No, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out." ]
> Unfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa." ]
> It's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline." ]
> Forgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. I know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more." ]
> Declining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely. In the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method). If human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more." ]
> This is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible." ]
> Government debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the "endless growth" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. Some people would argue that we should "find a new economic model" but good luck with that.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing." ]
> Yeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that." ]
> Well, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways." ]
> The UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon." ]
> You mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year." ]
> Time for a 15 million gay couple revolution.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?" ]
> Back to the pile
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution." ]
> Looks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile" ]
> I've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life" ]
> Predicted to the week Putin invaded. Dudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events." ]
> Was it to the week? I only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been." ]
> mandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself." ]
> From the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you." ]
> That would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years. So, solvable, but very urgent at this point.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years." ]
> I think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point." ]
> I never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic." ]
> Am I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society." ]
> The concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere." ]
> Those things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !" ]
> We are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure" ]
> In official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that." ]
> Doesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is." ]
> China will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them. A few reasons: - Disastrous one child policy - Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men - Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life - Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline - Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce - Hugely inflated property market and massive debts
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space" ]
> This would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts" ]
> No one likes bullies! Depending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country." ]
> Do you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea? :O
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate." ]
> Seriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O" ]
> China's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance" ]
> Everyone's will drop and decrease soon.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising." ]
> Yeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon." ]
> That’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally" ]
> Thank you for your sacrifice.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome." ]
> That's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice." ]
> Yes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy." ]
> But all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications" ]
> Even if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen." ]
> one-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors. It cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents. Remember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption? That's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China. Add a pandemic and those elders are now gone. Good luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government." ]
> Not to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options." ]
> Were the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen." ]
> Easy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?" ]
> Ironic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem." ]
> If you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China." ]
> For people that claim to only hate the "chinese goverment, not the people", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines." ]
> Reddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace." ]
> If they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia." ]
> Tends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population." ]
> Lower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities..." ]
> They had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth." ]
> Correction, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't. That was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't." ]
> Can't put children in sweatshops if there are no children. Also, being in a sweatshop as a child probably makes it hard to find a partner.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.", ">\n\nCorrection, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't.\nThat was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them." ]
> I think Chinese kids have long passed the sweatshop kind of era. You think it's India or something?
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.", ">\n\nCorrection, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't.\nThat was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them.", ">\n\nCan't put children in sweatshops if there are no children. Also, being in a sweatshop as a child probably makes it hard to find a partner." ]
> Child labor is still a massive problem in China
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.", ">\n\nCorrection, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't.\nThat was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them.", ">\n\nCan't put children in sweatshops if there are no children. Also, being in a sweatshop as a child probably makes it hard to find a partner.", ">\n\nI think Chinese kids have long passed the sweatshop kind of era.\nYou think it's India or something?" ]
> Mainland Taiwan's gonna have an age crisis.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.", ">\n\nCorrection, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't.\nThat was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them.", ">\n\nCan't put children in sweatshops if there are no children. Also, being in a sweatshop as a child probably makes it hard to find a partner.", ">\n\nI think Chinese kids have long passed the sweatshop kind of era.\nYou think it's India or something?", ">\n\nChild labor is still a massive problem in China" ]
> This will make them dangerous because they might think to invade now when they're at their strongest.
[ "Welcome to the 5th stage of the demographic transition.", ">\n\nIronically, this is the first step that Russia and Eastern Europe, which were economically lagging behind, went through.", ">\n\nAll countries are going to go through this sooner or later - transition to a new demographic structure. For some it's well under way (see Italy, Spain, much of Eastern Europe).\nInterestingly, the historian Geoffrey Parker noted that the countries that did best in the environmental crisis of the 17th century were those with lower fertility.\nSince China (and India) face the massive challenge of large rural populations reliant on increasingly fragile water flows, this may - despite the personal tragedies involved - be more a long-term help than a curse.", ">\n\nGet ready for more of this. China's demographics are atrocious, most of their population is retiring, their birth rates are bad, and it's not like they have any notable immigration to bolster it.\nThey are in for an interesting next couple of decades as the bulk of their population stops producing.", ">\n\nIndia will balance it out.", ">\n\nNo, India will likely only grow slightly, then flatline and slowly decline. Asian population supremacy will come to an end and will be replaced by Africa.", ">\n\nUnfortunately, all populations will flatline (love the wording) and massively decline.", ">\n\nIt's really going to fuck up all economies especially with growing health care costs and aging populations. Imo our only hopes are building robots and really understanding how the body and medicines work; including extending longevity and not simply age. Of course robots that replace humans will also probably mess up even more.", ">\n\nForgive me for being ignorant here, but I do want to be educated in the subject. Anyway I thought a declining population would be a good thing, long-term, for economies? Wouldn't it reduce the need to feed, home, provide healthcare to people? Less food production might mean lower CO2 emissions in those fields (no pun intended), fewer clothes being made means that we reduce the amount of single-use materials being used and thrown away, etc. \nI know that there is the big issue of caring for the elderly when you don't have the peoplepower to do so, but other than that obviously huge social issue, is it really detrimental to the economy? Again I'm not picking holes or being stubborn here, I just want to learn more.", ">\n\nDeclining populations have an increasingly inverted demographic pyramid - more old people, less young people. This adds additional pressure on the working population (i.e., the younger people) as they, a shrinking population, care for a continually growing population of older people. More of the economy has to shift to the care of the old population, reducing economic growth and advancement (caring for the elderly is not very productive from a scientific standpoint). These pressures compound stress on the younger population, reducing birthrates and creating a positive feedback loop of less young people and more old people. Pension systems designed to run in high ratios of workers to retirees will collapse, and healthcare systems will strain under the weight of elderly needing care before breaking entirely.\nIn the long run, the population should bottom out and reach an equilibrium. I say should because we don’t know - no population has ever reached that point, though the East Asian nations (South Korea, Japan, and China) are quickly charting a course in that direction and will be the first to reach there followed by the elderly Europeans (notably Germany and Italy). But the path there is grim with the potential or probable risk of public infrastructure collapse and economic stagnation (at best), and every country is doing as much as they can to avoid it from child subsidies (Koreans and Japanese favor this method to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars) to immigration (western developed countries choose this method).\nIf human civilization somehow manages to land at a 2.1 aggregate total fertility rate with a smaller population after all of this, then yes, the environmental effects would probably be positive (less people = less consumption) and the economy would even out with a reasonable ratio of workers to elderly. However, the problem is getting to that ideal equilibrium state, and no one’s exactly sure if that’s possible.", ">\n\nThis is a great answer, but there are also a bunch of other things that make population decline a bad thing.", ">\n\nGovernment debt and the stock market both rely on endless population growth. People criticize the \"endless growth\" mindset of Wall Street but deflation is worse. People will not invest in stocks when they start deflating. And everything is invested in the stock market in some way. If you have a pension or 401K, you are invested in the stock market. \nSome people would argue that we should \"find a new economic model\" but good luck with that.", ">\n\nYeah, I typed out like a 1000 word essay about mostly this and then deleted it because I didn't want to get anything wrong and figured no one would read it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, not getting above 1.5 billion is not a bad thing. India would have overtaken China anyway soon.", ">\n\nThe UN projected that in 2022 India would surpass China in population. I don’t think the figures are in yet, but yea… 2022 or maybe this year.", ">\n\nYou mean creating an artificial 30 million+ surplus of men was a bad idea?", ">\n\nTime for a 15 million gay couple revolution.", ">\n\nBack to the pile", ">\n\nLooks like Peter Ziehan is right, shit this last year has been just a Peter Ziehan book come to life", ">\n\nI've been following him for a while. Despite seemingly crazy prophetic claims, his are always baked in statistics and have been absolutely spot on for years... especially ramping up since the Ukraine events.", ">\n\nPredicted to the week Putin invaded.\nDudes so intelligent. Finding him has made world politics and local politics way less complicated. I’m probably more on the fence and neutral then I ever have been.", ">\n\nWas it to the week? \nI only knew it was to the year which is spooky in itself.", ">\n\nmandatory 5 children policy coming soon. not married? yeah you are. we choose for you.", ">\n\nFrom the usual mix of uninformed shit posting I've been reading it's far too late to start that in China. Supposedly they are heading for a collapse in the number of workers in around 10 years.", ">\n\nThat would blunt it a little but still leaves a giant demographic bomb. If everyone works until 70 that means kids born today will be 20, just about covering the gap if China also experiences a massive birth rate increase in the next 5 years.\nSo, solvable, but very urgent at this point.", ">\n\nI think the question is how would older Chinese people (in their 50s) feel about the retirement age going up from 60 to 70 seemingly overnight…? Countries have recently been raising the retirement age, but it’s always been by a couple of years and never so dramatic.", ">\n\nI never got the impression China is particularly bothered by those kinds of questions. I think the fact they gave into public pressure to 360 their covid policy is very interesting and I wonder if it reflects the beginnings of a shift toward a less strident society.", ">\n\nAm I the only one who actually wants the population to go down? I don't just mean China. But everywhere.", ">\n\nThe concerns with a decreasing population almost always relate to capitalist economic goals. This is a gimme for helping fight climate change. we should focus on transitioning to a more sustainable structure that supports a smaller population. Instead, governments are panicking because workforce workforce workforce !", ">\n\nThose things are related. In the states, which fits to the healthcare concerns you have, the social security trust is financed by the workforce and employers. I am a millennial. I’m 30 years old with no kids my sister is 34 with no kids. I have lots of friends our age who do not want kids. Gen z are even less willing to bring kids into this world, in large part because of climate change, legitimate fears about growth of the far right globally and real fears of nuclear war. Oh and also the fact that costs continue to increase while non-salaried wages consistently fail to provide a living wage. Nothing is going to change the fact we just do not want to bring kids into this world. if countries want to adapt, they need to find solutions that address those problems or transition to a different societal structure", ">\n\nWe are discussing issues related to countries with declining birth rates and the related factors, which are absolutely relevant. You mentioned systems where population decline impacts healthcare for the elderly. That isn’t the structure in Nigeria. You are incredibly rude and self-righteous and it’s gross you would make a comment like your last sentence to anyone. I hope you can go to therapy and work through whatever compels you to make comments like that.", ">\n\nIn official “record”. You can check on their COVID death “record” to see how trustworthy an document produced by the Chinese government is.", ">\n\nDoesn’t stop their state sponsored garbage from hitting the top of r/economics or many other subs like r/Space", ">\n\nChina will eventually fall to under a billion people, falling well short of the world power status they crave and never quite recovering. It will be interesting to see where they land. They'll still be a huge regional power, but India will eclipse them.\nA few reasons:\n- Disastrous one child policy\n- Culturally favouring men over women so a huge population of single Chinese men\n- Women not wanting to marry and be house wives, instead choosing education and a social life\n- Being a huge producer of products but also having to import almost everything to make it all - this simply isn't sustainable with a workforce in decline\n- Non sustainable agricultural practices - again having to import far more than they produce\n- Hugely inflated property market and massive debts", ">\n\nThis would be interesting to witness in my lifetime. As a smaller and weaker (militarily) neighbor of China, I'd be rejoicing at the news of a tamer and lamer China. Right now they're just bullies in the region because they're a resource hungry country.", ">\n\nNo one likes bullies! \nDepending on how old you are - you will see some of the decline of China for sure. Manufacturing and production will go to other countries, Xi will go down, India will rise up. One problem will be that smaller cities and other ethnic groups in China will suffer while Han Chinese try to consolidate.", ">\n\nDo you mean getting rid of all the girls was a bad idea?\n:O", ">\n\nSeriously, how did the Chinese Communist party not immediately realize a 1 child policy would have terrible long-term consequences? A 2 child policy would of been a great balance", ">\n\nChina's will drop but India's and Africa's will continue rising.", ">\n\nEveryone's will drop and decrease soon.", ">\n\nYeah, most models show us peaking around 2050 globally", ">\n\nThat’s right around when I will also be dead. You’re welcome.", ">\n\nThank you for your sacrifice.", ">\n\nThat's a good thing with their overpopulation, isn't it? This was the whole point of the One Child Policy.", ">\n\nYes and no. So much of the financial system is essentially a Ponzi scheme relying on young people to pay for old. A lower replacement rate brings up new problems like workforce implications", ">\n\nBut all of that can be evened out by laxing immigration policies. It's just a matter of the individual governments overcoming xenophobic tendencies to make it happen.", ">\n\nEven if they relax their immigration policy who would want to move there? Foreigners will not like the lack of basic civil rights and businesses do not want to be strictly regulated by the government.", ">\n\none-child policy plus a patriarchal form of communism are major contributors.\nIt cannot be emphasized enough that the style of communism they follow(ed) designates a woman maintaining the home and a man gaining inheritance and caring for their elderly parents.\nRemember hearing about all those newborn daughters being killed or shipped overseas for adoption?\nThat's how you get a disproportionate male to female ratio in China.\nAdd a pandemic and those elders are now gone. \nGood luck China, you have a large population of horny men with limited romantic options.", ">\n\nNot to mention, the difficulty of finding mistresses for successful party leaders and businessmen.", ">\n\nWere the indians that effective with their sticks on the border?", ">\n\nEasy fix, just stop reporting the number or lie about it, and ban anyone who raises the issue online. Change a few numbers on the history books and official databases. That should fix the problem.", ">\n\nIronic, since the original numbers in regards to their population figures are directly from China.", ">\n\nIf you want to know the real number of covid deaths in China from the start of pandemic, just look how their population declines.", ">\n\nFor people that claim to only hate the \"chinese goverment, not the people\", these people do sound like they are very gleeful over negative news affecting the general populace.", ">\n\nReddit has this problem. They do the same when bad news comes out from Saudi or Russia.", ">\n\nIf they were happy at this news because its a step towards preventing 'overpopulation' then they should be appalled at Indias or Africas everbooming population.", ">\n\nTends to happen when you systematically destroy ethnic minorities...", ">\n\nLower birth rates in higher income countries is completely normal. It’s simply a sign of China’s growth.", ">\n\nThey had a one child policy for decades and only recently got rid of it. China would probably have 2 billion people if they hadn't.", ">\n\nCorrection, China would of spent 3 decades in semi continous famine if they hadn't.\nThat was the biggest motivator for it back in the 80s, they were struggling to feed the existing population and the projections scared the life out of them.", ">\n\nCan't put children in sweatshops if there are no children. Also, being in a sweatshop as a child probably makes it hard to find a partner.", ">\n\nI think Chinese kids have long passed the sweatshop kind of era.\nYou think it's India or something?", ">\n\nChild labor is still a massive problem in China", ">\n\nMainland Taiwan's gonna have an age crisis." ]