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Chinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together
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"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!"
] |
>
Soooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.
But yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together"
] |
>
What?
The country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?
Well I never.
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways...."
] |
>
This is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never."
] |
>
China shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.
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[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?"
] |
>
China exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.
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[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March."
] |
>
They should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked."
] |
>
Their narritives changed. They are not into that now.
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown"
] |
>
There ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now."
] |
>
Oh wow, the exact opposite of the USA
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!"
] |
>
We’re all fucked it’s just the us is the least fucked
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!",
">\n\nOh wow, the exact opposite of the USA"
] |
>
Huh!!!!
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!",
">\n\nOh wow, the exact opposite of the USA",
">\n\nWe’re all fucked it’s just the us is the least fucked"
] |
>
Well…that’s not an awkward thing in China because the central government does not want to open their real casualties & records. So lots of Chinese people can’t trust their government, and many Chinese citizens used to escape from China to western nations to use those foreign countries’ medical systems. Since that’s much better than China’s. Honestly, most Chinese citizens couldn’t buy influenza drugs in their living areas, which means all things were sold out nowadays.
Therefore, various Chinese international students purchased the related medicine to sell in China when they returned. But most western democratic nations don’t love Chinese people’s visiting, so those Chinese people faced very harsh moments right now. Assuming that the CCP might’ve built powerful medical defending systems to protect Chinese citizens, they might not have visited western countries.
Let me put it bluntly, most democratic nations don’t like Chinese tourists’ massive visits because they don’t want to experience the same situations. They should’ve poured their big bucks to build stronger and trustable anti-virus systems instead of their international projects.
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!",
">\n\nOh wow, the exact opposite of the USA",
">\n\nWe’re all fucked it’s just the us is the least fucked",
">\n\nHuh!!!!"
] |
>
Didn't US hospitals get more money when they listed covid as the cause?
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!",
">\n\nOh wow, the exact opposite of the USA",
">\n\nWe’re all fucked it’s just the us is the least fucked",
">\n\nHuh!!!!",
">\n\nWell…that’s not an awkward thing in China because the central government does not want to open their real casualties & records. So lots of Chinese people can’t trust their government, and many Chinese citizens used to escape from China to western nations to use those foreign countries’ medical systems. Since that’s much better than China’s. Honestly, most Chinese citizens couldn’t buy influenza drugs in their living areas, which means all things were sold out nowadays. \nTherefore, various Chinese international students purchased the related medicine to sell in China when they returned. But most western democratic nations don’t love Chinese people’s visiting, so those Chinese people faced very harsh moments right now. Assuming that the CCP might’ve built powerful medical defending systems to protect Chinese citizens, they might not have visited western countries. \nLet me put it bluntly, most democratic nations don’t like Chinese tourists’ massive visits because they don’t want to experience the same situations. They should’ve poured their big bucks to build stronger and trustable anti-virus systems instead of their international projects."
] |
>
|
[
"This is not what you want to hear from a country that has roughly 25% of industrial production in the world.\nOne wonders what else they might be doing without anyone knowing? Are products from China safe to use?",
">\n\nToys are definitely sketchy",
">\n\nI’ve been to China for Google. You can build good things in China, you just need to send your engineers to inspect the production lines.",
">\n\nCan confirm, doing business with Chinese for almost 10 years.\nThey can build high quality stuffs but you need to be really strict on requirements and know which workshop to order.\nThey do not lack skill but cutting corners and poor QC are rampant.",
">\n\nIt's kinda funny seeing these headlines in between \"China has first population decline in history\".",
">\n\nMost of the people who died are pensioners and old people. If anything, it lighten the load for the pension system and the health care system, and it should not affect fertility rate if you want to use cold calculation. However, from a human perspective, this would leave quite a scar on the psyche of the population as a whole. \nNot sure if it will happen, but after a traumatic collective event, there is a tendency for birth rate to go up. This was observed in the US and Japan after WW2. One reason was cited that the animal brains have a primal tendency to pass down their genetic material. after a stress event, that tendency go on overdrive.",
">\n\nAre you telling me my anxiety issues are why I'm so horny?",
">\n\nThat would be an resounding yes. Try talking to a woman with no intention of impressing her, and you would have no anxiety at all. Our animal brain automatically goes into mate-seeking behavior whether we like it or not.",
">\n\nOh I'm just generally anxious",
">\n\nI'm shocked by this news. I always thought authoritarianism meant a utopian society led by those who were an authority on their subject. I'm so silly.",
">\n\nFlorida does this too.",
">\n\nDeSantis is an authoritarian.",
">\n\nI've compared him to the Chinese government (particularly on LGBT issues and hiding Covid numbers) and the only rebuttal his supporters have given me is \"But China's communist so they're actually more like the left, DeSantis is totally different!\"\nEdit: LGBT, not LBGT. Whoops",
">\n\nThose morons still haven't realized that China lies about being communist.",
">\n\nThey only care about the government providing healthcare aspect of communism. They're cool with how the USSR and CCP ~~rounded up minorities and people who don't fall in line~~ deal with crime and respect the badge though.",
">\n\n\nTaking the focus off testing may be the best way to maximise resources when hospitals have been overwhelmed, two experts told Reuters.",
">\n\nThe Achilles heel of all dictatorships. The inevitable, unavoidable incentive to lie and pass the ire of political problems onto others while obscuring the real problems until they are out of control. If you can't measure it, you can't fix it.",
">\n\nAnd all dictators are contemptible heels.",
">\n\nThis is a technicality that people are misunderstanding. In the very same article, it says they've reported 60,000 Covid related hospital deaths since the policy u-turn. The US did the exact same thing, only reporting 5.5% of deaths as solely caused by Covid. I don't mean that in some whataboutist way, it's just the correct way to report this stuff. The difference is that daily trackers are only tracking these Covid-only deaths, while data they're releasing at a later date is more representative (though not entirely).\nChina also plans on calculating excess mortality to build a more complete picture after the fact.",
">\n\nIt was both. From one side it was “certain states are underreporting Covid deaths and citing other causes of death such as pneumonia to make the number look smaller” .. these states seemed to correlate greatly with republican voter bases, While at the same time the people in those very states accused said “no way, it’s the opposite - doctors are over reporting Covid because they make more money… in reality it’s nothing more than a cold”\nGuess which of those perspectives could be backed up by real statistics on a global scientific level and reported by credible whistleblowers?",
">\n\nThe sources are anonymous because they run the risk of being arrested for “spreading rumors”, just like what happened to Dr. Li Wenliang for sounding the alarm about COVID at the beginning of the pandemic. \nWhen there is a real threat of government retaliation, then the best you’ll have is mostly unnamed sources and the rare martyr.",
">\n\nHe never got arrested. He was brought down to the police station to sign a document saying he wouldn't spread rumors anymore and was allowed to go back to work. Ironically if he had gotten arrested, he would be alive as he got covid from his patients.",
">\n\nGuess what would have happened if he refused to sign the document?",
">\n\nAre you admitting he wasn't arrested?",
">\n\nYou're going all over the place now",
">\n\nExcellent reply, blocked so you no longer waste my time.",
">\n\nOf course. The Chinese government abhors truth, transparency, etc…. Must put on a false front for its people and the world.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?",
">\n\nWell well well. Imagine that!",
">\n\nChinese doctors and Florida doctors should start a support group together",
">\n\nSoooooo just like every other country on the planet? Hell Canada has its health system discourage using the word Covid in its reports now.\nBut yes i do see the issue with China ignoring Covid or downplaying it as it means it will spread like wildfire in one of the most population dense countries on the planet. Said country that already has hospital full of patients dying in the hallways....",
">\n\nWhat?\nThe country that arrested doctors for even acknowledging the outbreak is now expecting them to lie?\nWell I never.",
">\n\nThis is straight out of the Chinese playbook. Just look at the doctors who were silenced for bringing the discovery of Covid to government officials attention in Wuhan in late 2019. Really makes you question just of many things China just sweeps under the rug to save face. Imagine if things had been different and China had been transparent and open about the virus from the very beginning. How many lives globally could have been saved?",
">\n\nChina shut down Wuhan in January and most countries didn't so shit until March.",
">\n\nChina exported Covid and only shut down domestic travel I agree with you there, but not international travel. Most countries didn’t know the extent of how bad things were in China until it was too late. A combination of poor planning by those governments, WHO being Chinas bitch and complicit in downplaying the virus and starting that countries shouldn’t close their boarders to China. We all saw how well that worked.",
">\n\nThey should tell it as it is, it would boost their support of lockdown",
">\n\nTheir narritives changed. They are not into that now.",
">\n\nThere ya go. China, what is wrong with you?!",
">\n\nOh wow, the exact opposite of the USA",
">\n\nWe’re all fucked it’s just the us is the least fucked",
">\n\nHuh!!!!",
">\n\nWell…that’s not an awkward thing in China because the central government does not want to open their real casualties & records. So lots of Chinese people can’t trust their government, and many Chinese citizens used to escape from China to western nations to use those foreign countries’ medical systems. Since that’s much better than China’s. Honestly, most Chinese citizens couldn’t buy influenza drugs in their living areas, which means all things were sold out nowadays. \nTherefore, various Chinese international students purchased the related medicine to sell in China when they returned. But most western democratic nations don’t love Chinese people’s visiting, so those Chinese people faced very harsh moments right now. Assuming that the CCP might’ve built powerful medical defending systems to protect Chinese citizens, they might not have visited western countries. \nLet me put it bluntly, most democratic nations don’t like Chinese tourists’ massive visits because they don’t want to experience the same situations. They should’ve poured their big bucks to build stronger and trustable anti-virus systems instead of their international projects.",
">\n\nDidn't US hospitals get more money when they listed covid as the cause?"
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Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?
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Cut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?"
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Emergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world"
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Nah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?"
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Why can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen."
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Because more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?"
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CNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.
The expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.
“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”
The new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.
The policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.
According to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.
The policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.
The VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.
A Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.
Expanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.
President Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”
“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”
Editor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that."
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I have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no.
If you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off.
They’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor."
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They have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad."
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Feel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.
Religion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that.
The god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”"
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Maybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?"
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Every 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans."
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But not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point."
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You could have fought for the oil companies, or, big pharma, but nooo, you just went and paid taxes. /s
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[
"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.",
">\n\nBut not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it."
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How is the Vet healthcare system not just “Here’s the card. Charge it to the government.” No questions asked?
Because the US doesn’t actually respect or care about their soldiers or vets. They say they do to trick poor kids into dying on a lie in the desert, but if you live? Fuck off. Manifest destiny, boot straps, all that bullshit.
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[
"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.",
">\n\nBut not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it.",
">\n\nYou could have fought for the oil companies, or, big pharma, but nooo, you just went and paid taxes. /s"
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I’ve used the VA for emergency mental health and free is still far too costly for me to risk my safety in their care again.
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.",
">\n\nBut not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it.",
">\n\nYou could have fought for the oil companies, or, big pharma, but nooo, you just went and paid taxes. /s",
">\n\nHow is the Vet healthcare system not just “Here’s the card. Charge it to the government.” No questions asked?\nBecause the US doesn’t actually respect or care about their soldiers or vets. They say they do to trick poor kids into dying on a lie in the desert, but if you live? Fuck off. Manifest destiny, boot straps, all that bullshit."
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fuzzy sock express eh
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"Can NOW receive free mental health care? Lol how is that only now just a thing?",
">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.",
">\n\nBut not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it.",
">\n\nYou could have fought for the oil companies, or, big pharma, but nooo, you just went and paid taxes. /s",
">\n\nHow is the Vet healthcare system not just “Here’s the card. Charge it to the government.” No questions asked?\nBecause the US doesn’t actually respect or care about their soldiers or vets. They say they do to trick poor kids into dying on a lie in the desert, but if you live? Fuck off. Manifest destiny, boot straps, all that bullshit.",
">\n\nI’ve used the VA for emergency mental health and free is still far too costly for me to risk my safety in their care again."
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">\n\nCut the gov some slack this is only the richest nation in the world",
">\n\nEmergency health care... so you have to be suicidal. Can we maybe get people help before they get to that point?",
">\n\nNah you gotta be insane already with pre-authorization from your insurance to make use of the program. Only takes 6 months to a year to get in line and be seen.",
">\n\nWhy can't every American just get free healthcare for any problem?",
">\n\nBecause more than half, depending on the part of the country, of Americans voted for republicans who did they don't want that.",
">\n\n\nCNN — As of Tuesday, US military veterans in an “acute suicidal crisis” can receive free treatment including inpatient care up to 30 days and outpatient care for up to 90 days.\nThe expanded care was announced by the Department of Veterans Affairs on Friday, and is meant to “prevent veteran suicide by guaranteeing no cost, world-class care to veterans in times of crisis.” Veterans who are seeking that care can go to any VA or non-VA health care facility, the release said, and they do not have to be enrolled in the VA system to receive care.\n“Veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class emergency health care they deserve – no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they’re enrolled in VA care,” VA Secretary for Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough said in the release. “This expansion of care will save Veterans’ lives, and there’s nothing more important than that.”\nThe new policy says veterans who were discharged after more than two years of service under conditions other than dishonorable are eligible for the care, which will either be paid for or reimbursed by the VA.\nThe policy will also apply to former service members, including those in the Reserves, who served “more than 100 days under a combat exclusion or in support of a contingency operation” who were discharged under conditions other than dishonorable, and veterans who were the victim of sexual assault, sexual battery, or sexual harassment while serving.\nAccording to the VA’s release, the policy will “[p]rovide, pay for, or reimburse for treatment” of eligible veterans’ emergency suicide care, transportation costs, and follow-up care at a VA or non-VA facility, to include 30 days of inpatient care and 90 days of outpatient.\nThe policy will also allow the VA to make “appropriate referrals” after a period of emergency suicide care, determine veterans’ eligibility for other service and benefits from the VA, and refer veterans who received the emergency care to other VA programs and benefits.\nThe VA’s 2022 report on veteran suicide said that in 2020, 6,146 US veterans died by suicide, which was 343 fewer than seen in 2019. Suicide was the 13th leading cause of death among veterans in 2020, the report said, and the second leading cause of death among veterans under 45 years old.\nA Defense Department report released in October 2022 found that 519 US service members, including active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops, died by suicide in 2021.\nExpanding care for veterans at high risk of suicide was the second priority goal of a military and veteran suicide prevention strategy released by the White House in 2021. “Individuals at imminent or high risk of suicide should be guaranteed equitable access to high quality crisis care and follow-on support,” the strategy report said.\nPresident Joe Biden said in the 2021 report that the US is “falling short” of the “one truly sacred obligation to Americans … to care for them and their families when they return.”\n“It is up to us to do everything in our power to live up to our most sacred obligations,” he said. “We owe it to the memories of those we’ve lost—and we owe it to the futures of those we might save.”\nEditor’s Note: If you or a loved one have contemplated suicide, call The National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988 or 1-800-273-TALK (8255) to connect with a trained counselor.",
">\n\nI have a good friend whose been in the military all their life. Recently they’ve been struggling with mental health issues. I asked why they didn’t go to see a therapist or doctor and get help and medication to help balance them out. They said in the military it’s a big no no. \nIf you’re on any kind of anti depressants you’ll fail a drug test. If they find out you were seeing a therapist you could get pulled from whatever job you’re doing to peeling potato’s, if they don’t just discharge you right off. \nThey’ve known people who have committed suicide because of the lose-lose situation they feel like they’re in. Lifelong military dedication can get taken away if you admit you need help. So very, very sad.",
">\n\nThey have chaplains. So there is that. Feel suicidal? Feel better with a prayer. No psychiatrist or psychologists in the military because you wouldn’t want people to be “coddled.”",
">\n\nFeel sad? Just stop being sad! It’s that simple! (/s) What a crock.\nReligion isn’t real, so talking to a chaplain is worthless, which means prayer is equally worthless. I know, because my family and I prayed our hearts out to save one of my parents from cancer. Didn’t work, but it did teach me that god isn’t real. So there is that. \nThe god you believe in says that humans aren’t perfect, which includes a human brains ability to emotionally regulate and balance itself. Literally in the bible, but you call someone not being perfect and needing to reach out for help being coddled? So who is wrong here, god or you?",
">\n\nMaybe this will finally help with all those suicides at my local VA Hospital parking lot. They happened way too often, and I think they all chose that specific spot as a cry for help for their fellow veterans.",
">\n\nEvery 3 mos I get a call from my local VA psychiatrist to re-up my meds. That's it. No talk therapy, nothing. Basically he calls to see if I offed myself yet. I'm alive purely out of spite at this point.",
">\n\nBut not the rest of US citizens right? Just military veterans who spent the last 20 years fighting a war on behalf of oil companies. Got it.",
">\n\nYou could have fought for the oil companies, or, big pharma, but nooo, you just went and paid taxes. /s",
">\n\nHow is the Vet healthcare system not just “Here’s the card. Charge it to the government.” No questions asked?\nBecause the US doesn’t actually respect or care about their soldiers or vets. They say they do to trick poor kids into dying on a lie in the desert, but if you live? Fuck off. Manifest destiny, boot straps, all that bullshit.",
">\n\nI’ve used the VA for emergency mental health and free is still far too costly for me to risk my safety in their care again.",
">\n\nfuzzy sock express eh"
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You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.
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Who the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…
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Crack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…
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It’s my man pop from the barbershop
Told me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot
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The people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour
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">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
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Slow down, love, please chill, drop the caper
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour"
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Remember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?
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"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper"
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Yeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect
Nah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect
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"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?"
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I didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures
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"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect"
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Now they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures"
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)
CIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.
"Burns had come to give him a reality check" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns "To share precise details of the Russian plots."
Russia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow"
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President Joe Biden told Burns "To share precise details of the Russian plots."
Not every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5"
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Zelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval."
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I wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.
From what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.
And his quips are legendary.
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move"
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The most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.
Makes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.
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"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary."
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"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time."
"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition."
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">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation."
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There is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.
Prob a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.
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"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\""
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That video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”
It’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got."
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There's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends."
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Can you find and link it please ?
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is"
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I forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.
They dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?"
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Alpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war."
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Yeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire."
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"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest"
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when..."
] |
>
Oh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\""
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>
Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his "De re militari" series.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?"
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I was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series."
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>
Close enough
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'"
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I mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough"
] |
>
Sun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime."
] |
>
It’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option"
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>
Folks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia.
Glad to see it has gained some tangible results.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!"
] |
>
CIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results."
] |
>
If the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is
The CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad."
] |
>
The CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded "legally sanctioned" activities look like
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does"
] |
>
The CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like"
] |
>
I think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.
It was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory."
] |
>
Some of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately."
] |
>
I mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in."
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>
Some even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control."
] |
>
And made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv."
] |
>
As entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables."
] |
>
This NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.
Russian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.
Units were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.
The Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.
It also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?"
] |
>
One interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground."
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Maybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly."
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They tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe"
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The Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?"
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I'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too."
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It was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick.
When they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links"
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It’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood."
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The spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?"
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The same state department that Donald Trump gutted?
The same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated."
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He also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family."
] |
>
He also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through."
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>
It's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.
|
[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that."
] |
>
And confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time.
Which means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities.
What an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained."
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Putin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego."
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The best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up."
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Damned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed."
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PUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.
You can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t."
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He also had to try to keep the populace calm, imagine the mass hysteria if he had gone on tv and just been like, “the Russians are going to invade in a full scale fashion and try to kill me.”
The early days were already SO chaotic and there were huge traffic jams of people trying to flee, imagine how clogged and fucked up the infrastructure would have been if the whole population was in a panic in the days and weeks leading up to the war. Sadly I totally get why he would lie publicly to try to keep the situation calm.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.",
">\n\nPUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.\nYou can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy."
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Fair enough. There is a lot of self defense even he has to play, I imagine.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.",
">\n\nPUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.\nYou can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy.",
">\n\nHe also had to try to keep the populace calm, imagine the mass hysteria if he had gone on tv and just been like, “the Russians are going to invade in a full scale fashion and try to kill me.”\nThe early days were already SO chaotic and there were huge traffic jams of people trying to flee, imagine how clogged and fucked up the infrastructure would have been if the whole population was in a panic in the days and weeks leading up to the war. Sadly I totally get why he would lie publicly to try to keep the situation calm."
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I can't wait for the book about the first days of the war after ukraine finally wins
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.",
">\n\nPUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.\nYou can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy.",
">\n\nHe also had to try to keep the populace calm, imagine the mass hysteria if he had gone on tv and just been like, “the Russians are going to invade in a full scale fashion and try to kill me.”\nThe early days were already SO chaotic and there were huge traffic jams of people trying to flee, imagine how clogged and fucked up the infrastructure would have been if the whole population was in a panic in the days and weeks leading up to the war. Sadly I totally get why he would lie publicly to try to keep the situation calm.",
">\n\nFair enough. There is a lot of self defense even he has to play, I imagine."
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A detailed analysis of that first 24 hours would be insane. There was so much developing in such a short amount of time.
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.",
">\n\nPUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.\nYou can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy.",
">\n\nHe also had to try to keep the populace calm, imagine the mass hysteria if he had gone on tv and just been like, “the Russians are going to invade in a full scale fashion and try to kill me.”\nThe early days were already SO chaotic and there were huge traffic jams of people trying to flee, imagine how clogged and fucked up the infrastructure would have been if the whole population was in a panic in the days and weeks leading up to the war. Sadly I totally get why he would lie publicly to try to keep the situation calm.",
">\n\nFair enough. There is a lot of self defense even he has to play, I imagine.",
">\n\nI can't wait for the book about the first days of the war after ukraine finally wins"
] |
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One video that came out of the first 24 hours that I vividly remember was the one where a jet flew real close and fired a missile into the house where the recorder was.
And then a week later or so we saw the cracks started to form in Russian military command
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[
"You know it’s serious when the director of the CIA comes and knocks on your door at 3 AM.",
">\n\nWho the fuck is this, paging me at 5:46 in the morning…",
">\n\nCrack a’ dawn and now I’m yawning, wipe the cold out my eye, thinking who’s this paging me, and why…",
">\n\nIt’s my man pop from the barbershop \nTold me he was in the gambling spot and heard some intricate plot",
">\n\nThe people wanna stick me like flypaper-neighbour",
">\n\nSlow down, love, please chill, drop the caper",
">\n\nRemember your neighbors up in Brownsville that you rolled dice with smoked blunts and got nice with?",
">\n\nYeah, my guy Fame up in Prospect\nNah, them my people, nah love wouldn't disrespect",
">\n\nI didn't say them, they schooled to some haters that you knew from back when, when you were clocking minor figures",
">\n\nNow they heard you blowin up like nitro and they wanna stick the knife in your windpipe slow",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nCIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.\n\"Burns had come to give him a reality check\" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\nRussia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russian^#1 Zelenskyy^#2 Burns^#3 Kyiv^#4 invasion^#5",
">\n\n\nPresident Joe Biden told Burns \"To share precise details of the Russian plots.\"\n\nNot every recent US president would have helped Zelensky in this way. Thank god Joe was the one in the Oval.",
">\n\nZelenskyys family very well may not be alive now if it wasn't for that move",
">\n\nI wonder how Ukraine would have faired overall without Zelenskyy, especially in those early weeks.\nFrom what I've read about him, he wasn't the best of the best, but he really stepped up when Russia invaded. I don't think Ukraine would be in the same place right now without him. Based on the attempted actions, I think putin knew this as well.\nAnd his quips are legendary.",
">\n\nThe most remarkable thing was that even though the odds were heavily against Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\nMakes you wonder how many of our world leaders would have done the same in that situation.",
">\n\n\n\"... he did not abandon and flee his country to save himself, he stayed in Kyiv the whole time.\"\n\n\n\"I don't need a ride, I need more ammunition.\"",
">\n\nThere is a photo of him and few other people in open street in Kyiv. A year later he took exact same shot at exact same place with exact same people.\nProb a biggest “FU we’re still here“ that Puttin ever got.",
">\n\nThat video of him and the other officials in the dim city light on the streets where he says something along the lines of “The foreign minister is here. The lead general is here. The Secretary of State is here. The prime minister is here. The President is here. We are all still here and we are all going to keep fighting.”\nIt’s so fucking badass and beautiful and made me tear up. Legends.",
">\n\nThere's a version of that video where someone has put the Shook Ones Pt2 instrumental over the top of it. Makes it even more badass than it already is",
">\n\nCan you find and link it please ?",
">\n\nI forget where I read the account but it was pretty harrowing.\nThey dropped multiple groups of paratroopers to come take him during the first day of the war.",
">\n\nAlpha group wiped out the Russian Spetsnaz that had parachuted in. They cornered them after several attempts to storm the presidential compound. There’s video of the first night and some of the gun fights where you can hear a lot of heavy machine gun fire.",
">\n\nYeah surprise attacks don't go so well when the Ukrainians know you're coming and when...",
">\n\n\"An ambush, if discovered and promptly surrounded, will repay the intended mischief with interest\"",
">\n\nOh that’s good one. Any idea who said it?",
">\n\nPublius Flavius Vegetius Renatus, a Roman writer. The quote is from the 3rd book of his \"De re militari\" series.",
">\n\nI was going to say it's from a loading screen in 'Rome: Total War'",
">\n\nClose enough",
">\n\nI mean to be fair, if you told Vegetius that 1500 years later his writing would still be iconic and quoted with ungrudging admiration by the linguistic descendants of the Germani as they studied and re-enacted the great battles of Rome, he would probably have considered that a greater achievement as a writer than anything from his own lifetime.",
">\n\nSun Tzu also. Not all people read his Art of War, but his book inspired an idiom in Chinese: In 36 plans, fleeing is the best option",
">\n\nIt’s literally insane that the CIA knew all the Russians cards before they even played them. CIA making that black budget work!",
">\n\nFolks forgot just how long and how hard the CIA has worked to cultivate the mean to surveill Russia. \nGlad to see it has gained some tangible results.",
">\n\nCIA has some horribly fucked up shit in their past. But damn is it good to see the intelligence protecting people in real life. I’m certain there are more things we don’t know about, good or bad.",
">\n\nIf the CIA was only a bad press mill for the federal government it wouldn’t be funded like it is \nThe CIA works exactly as intended in ways you or I will NEVER know, that’s what makes it so good at what it does",
">\n\nThe CIA is the physical arm of American espionage and the darker uses of soft diplomacy/power. A lot of what we know of the CIA is from the papertrails they left funding their own illegal activities off the books, so I can only imagine what US broad-day funded \"legally sanctioned\" activities look like",
">\n\nThe CIA also helped thwart Russia's original invasion plan. The Battle of Hostomel Airport is possibly the single most important battle of the invasion. It appears the CIA knew the exact plan which included taking over the Airport to land huge personnel carriers of Russian soldiers and hardware to march down on Kyiv. UA and foreign legions counter attack the Airport of 300 Ruzzies. Drove them out. Then the Russian convoy arrived AND IN SPECTACULARLY POETIC JUSTICE the Russian shelled the Airport so bad they couldn't use it at all, destroying their plan for swift victory.",
">\n\nI think it's worth noting how unprepared and disorganized the initial Ukrainian response was... yet they still relatively swiftly pushed the Russians out of the airport.\nIt was clear that the Russians thought that there would be next to zero resistance on their initial push towards Kyiv, which is why their supply lines collapsed nearly immediately.",
">\n\nSome of them legit thought they'd be welcomed in.",
">\n\nI mean there were units destroyed on the first days armed with riot shields for after invasion control.",
">\n\nSome even had their dress uniforms for a parade in Kyiv.",
">\n\nAnd made reservations at restaurants in Kyiv. They booked large tables.",
">\n\nAs entertaining as this comment thread is, do you guys have any sources for all these claims?",
">\n\nThis NYTimes article goes into detail on a lot of things like that.\nRussian commanders were told there would be no resistance, they packed dress uniforms with them for the victory parade in Kyiv, the frontline units included police for crowd control duties, etc etc.\nUnits were told to sprint to their target cities without much coordination so they could occupy their objectives on a strict timetable, allowing them to seize the country before the West could intervene. But the troops themselves weren't actually told about the invasion until it was literally starting, so many of them were unprepared and had done dumb things like selling off their fuel supplies to Belarusian buyers.\nThe Hostomel Airport seizure was supposed to allow them to take Kyiv on the first day, but only because they expected Zelensky to flee/die and the Ukrainian defenses to stand down or defect. Ukrainian resistance wound up destroying the VDV force that was landed there and shooting down multiple aircraft with SAMs, killing 300 paratroopers - according to Russia's own records of the battle that were later captured.\nIt also explains how the initial Russian air strikes failed to actually hit the Ukrainian Air Force, apparently because they were based on old intel. Which allowed Ukraine's Air Force to keep relocating its forces every few days and avoid being destroyed on the ground.",
">\n\nOne interesting detail, the UKR luckily shot down a helicopter with the leader of the airborne group, so after landing and deploying they had no leadership -which is a problem for them particularly.",
">\n\nMaybe Red Dawn wasn't as far out as I was led to believe",
">\n\nThey tried hard to kill him and his family - so when the Russians say ‘let’s have peace’ imagine what he is thinking?",
">\n\nThe Russians tried to kill the original peace delegation that the Ukrainians sent at the start of this War too.",
">\n\nI'd love to read more about this is if anyone has details / links",
">\n\nIt was wild a few days later when there were reports that it wasn’t poisoning, it was environmental…but nobody else had gotten sick. \nWhen they tried to do lab tests in Turkey there was nothing found in their blood.",
">\n\nIt’s good to know we still had accurate intelligence at least up until that point. Didn’t Putin “sterilize” his inner circle shortly after starting the war, removing anyone who could possibly be an intelligence leak?",
">\n\nThe spy world has changed so much in 50 years as technology does. But old school rules of espionage never change. Money gets thrown around and people talk. This is why having a strong well funded state department and foreign service is crucial. Even during peacetime assets must be maintained and cultivated.",
">\n\nThe same state department that Donald Trump gutted? \nThe same Donald Trump that attempted to blackmail Ukraine to investigate the Biden family.",
">\n\nHe also compromised a massive amount of our spy network resulting in many of them getting killed if I recall correctly. That bastard was a traitor through and through.",
">\n\nHe also tweeted an image from a very classified US spy satellite, for the whole world to see. People quickly found out what altitude and orbit it flies at, so now it's not a secret anymore. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and a few other countries must've been so happy when they saw that.",
">\n\nIt's not really a secret what those orbits are, since anyone can look up and see for themselves. The issue was with giving away the quality of the imagery obtained.",
">\n\nAnd confirming the capabilities of the satellite that was in that orbit at that time. \nWhich means anybody else can go back along it’s historical orbital path and, with certainty, know what we know about their secrets and capabilities. \nWhat an absolute mess and irreparable harm for 5 seconds of affirmation for his ego.",
">\n\nPutin likely saw Zelenskyy as a soft, easy to eradicate target he could quickly remove and plough on with his dreams of empire. He has been caught out in a huge military blunder and his quarry has become one of the most celebrated leaders in modern history, he is loved by so many around the world and it's Putin who elevated him to that superhero status. What a truly monumental fuck up.",
">\n\nThe best part is, if Zelensky dies, he dies a brave martyr. Quite a fuck up indeed.",
">\n\nDamned if you kill him, damned if you don’t.",
">\n\nPUBLICLY pushed back against US Intelligence.\nYou can privately believe intelligence and also publicly denounce it for hopes of diplomacy.",
">\n\nHe also had to try to keep the populace calm, imagine the mass hysteria if he had gone on tv and just been like, “the Russians are going to invade in a full scale fashion and try to kill me.”\nThe early days were already SO chaotic and there were huge traffic jams of people trying to flee, imagine how clogged and fucked up the infrastructure would have been if the whole population was in a panic in the days and weeks leading up to the war. Sadly I totally get why he would lie publicly to try to keep the situation calm.",
">\n\nFair enough. There is a lot of self defense even he has to play, I imagine.",
">\n\nI can't wait for the book about the first days of the war after ukraine finally wins",
">\n\nA detailed analysis of that first 24 hours would be insane. There was so much developing in such a short amount of time."
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