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> Small point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents" ]
> Hillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing." ]
> Even if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump." ]
> She is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with." ]
> It's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators." ]
> It wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session." ]
> Except for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle." ]
> It's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist." ]
> How many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? Nothing will fundamentally change.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times." ]
> Nobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change." ]
> Serious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals." ]
> The select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses." ]
> But what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist." ]
> The committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?" ]
> My viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence. Showing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over. Is taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi" ]
> It’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?" ]
> They dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment" ]
> Actually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. This time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. The fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated. I can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago" ]
> You lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves." ]
> Yeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!" ]
> I don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically." ]
> I didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described." ]
> Why.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one." ]
> HUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy." ]
> It’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. Lmao right. Sure it is.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings." ]
> Fucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is." ]
> This guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth." ]
> It does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy." ]
> If we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena. It's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes "nah... we're good." A lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to "punishments" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be "sentenced" to indefinite incarceration because it's a "jailed until compliance" thing. In this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress. All in all, is this a "good" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort "are you sure?" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all. On the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation." ]
> What is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?" ]
> I’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative." ]
> ?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason." ]
> The subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness" ]
> Why not just let it expire? Now Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena. They'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it." ]
> They already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a "counter report" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation." ]
> Why was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?" ]
> Because they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour" ]
> Yes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless." ]
> Imagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored" ]
> It’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena." ]
> Another instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest." ]
> Drag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon." ]
> Great precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired." ]
> J6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it." ]
> And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena To be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons). Meadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort." ]
> As usual, this country’s justice system is a joke
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well." ]
> This was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke" ]
> Like I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show." ]
> But the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. Judiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances. Justice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke" ]
> Naive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next." ]
> "OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why." It'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke." ]
> Exactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point." ]
> Aren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already." ]
> Not if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither." ]
> This is such bullshit.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%" ]
> Another precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit." ]
> They should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals." ]
> So whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress." ]
> Totally expected. Trump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. And I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years." ]
> yeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity" ]
> Al trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol" ]
> So far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal" ]
> Our government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so…." ]
> Ah yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone." ]
> & you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America" ]
> No surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. I will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. I will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. I mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? Fuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that" ]
> They dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job." ]
> This is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought." ]
> My theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more" ]
> Let us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water..." ]
> Such bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs" ]
> should not have dropped should have referred it to doj for contempt of congress... white rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did." ]
> They already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned..." ]
> Yeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing? The Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?" ]
> They subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!" ]
> Half the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy." ]
> Oh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral." ]
> It's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends." ]
> It takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena." ]
> You're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell. Trump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation." ]
> Once you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people." ]
> Now hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense." ]
> I see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged." ]
> No need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”" ]
> The moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution." ]
> What a waste of fucking time
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws." ]
> So......this was a big fat waste of time and money?
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time" ]
> I mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?" ]
> No mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”" ]
> Well, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station" ]
> Talk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure" ]
> I wish this surprised me.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done." ]
> LOL God this is so funny What the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me." ]
> What a waste of money
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital." ]
> ...And a Happy New Year!
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money" ]
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[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money", ">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!" ]
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[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money", ">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!", ">\n\nClassic" ]
> Our governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money", ">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!", ">\n\nClassic", ">\n\nShocking" ]
> Let's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money", ">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!", ">\n\nClassic", ">\n\nShocking", ">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice." ]
> The coup is in effect.
[ "So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.", ">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather", ">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?", ">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2", ">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges", ">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.", ">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.", ">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”", ">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.", ">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.", ">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.", ">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.", ">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.", ">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.", ">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.", ">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.", ">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire", ">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.", ">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe", ">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?", ">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.", ">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.", ">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.", ">\n\nBut none is him", ">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.", ">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?", ">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.", ">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.", ">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble", ">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?", ">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.", ">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort", ">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.", ">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?", ">\n\nThe classified documents", ">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.", ">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.", ">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.", ">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.", ">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.", ">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.", ">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.", ">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.", ">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.", ">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.", ">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.", ">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.", ">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?", ">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi", ">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?", ">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment", ">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago", ">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.", ">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!", ">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.", ">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.", ">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.", ">\n\nWhy.", ">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.", ">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.", ">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.", ">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.", ">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.", ">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?", ">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.", ">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.", ">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness", ">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.", ">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.", ">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?", ">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour", ">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.", ">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored", ">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.", ">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.", ">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.", ">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.", ">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.", ">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.", ">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.", ">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.", ">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke", ">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.", ">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.", ">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.", ">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.", ">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.", ">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%", ">\n\nThis is such bullshit.", ">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.", ">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.", ">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.", ">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity", ">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol", ">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal", ">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….", ">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.", ">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America", ">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that", ">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.", ">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.", ">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more", ">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...", ">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs", ">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.", ">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...", ">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?", ">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!", ">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.", ">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.", ">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.", ">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.", ">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.", ">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.", ">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.", ">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.", ">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”", ">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.", ">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time", ">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?", ">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”", ">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station", ">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure", ">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.", ">\n\nI wish this surprised me.", ">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.", ">\n\nWhat a waste of money", ">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!", ">\n\nClassic", ">\n\nShocking", ">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.", ">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy." ]